Steve Coll on Petraeus
By SusanUnPC on September 24, 2007 at 12:50 PM in Bush/Cheney, Gen. David Petraeus, Iraq
UPDATE: I fixed the blog clock to reflect Eastern Standard Time, which means that your new comments will appear towards the top of the thread.
Last night, I cracked open the Sept. 24 issue of The New Yorker my daughter brought me. Every time I spot a commentary by Steve Coll in a New Yorker index, I race to it. The man can write; his witty, subtly sarcastic prose is packed tight with information and observations. Take these gems from Sept. 24’s “General Accounting“:
… Petraeus, perhaps the most scholarly American officer ever to wear four stars, has been preoccupied by a political imperative—justifying the “surge” of thirty thousand additional troops who accompanied him to Baghdad. The General, a fitness compulsive who excels at pushups, has given much time to hosting congressional delegations and providing journalists with interviews, which he often conducts amid the stirring atmospherics of his airborne command helicopter. This summer, Petraeus crafted a campaign to publicize signs of progress he claimed to see in Iraq, and it became clear that he regarded America’s restive democracy as a theatre in his counterinsurgency operations.
By the time he returned to Washington last week to deliver a flinty and unrevealing report on the war, the General’s achievements on the Iraqi front appeared, at best, to amount to a muddle, but his success at forestalling war skeptics in Congress looked more impressive. …
Further down in the piece, Coll dissects Petraeus’s dismissal of the Powell Doctrine (which recommends we “enter wars only with overwhelming force and with clear, achievable objectives that would enjoy public support”) and Petraeus’s “three-hundred-and-thirty-seven-page doctoral dissertation at Princeton entitled ‘The American Military and the Lessons of Vietnam,’ a lucid and subtle review of civil-military relations in the United States from the Korean War until the mid-nineteen-eighties”:
Petraeus saw the [Powell] doctrine as potentially unrealistic because small, nasty wars—where there would be no “clear-cut distinction between peace and war”—seemed to him the coming trend. He quoted approvingly former Defense Secretary James Schlesinger’s belief that the United States should not limit itself to fighting only “popular, winnable wars.” To prepare for such a future, Petraeus argued for rebuilding America’s counterinsurgency capabilities.
He observed that American public opinion often wavers during a protracted conflict, and he quoted General George C. Marshall’s admonition that “a democracy cannot fight a Seven Years War”; his tone betrayed a hint of professional irritation at weak-kneed tendencies among the people [HMMMMMPH!]. Still, Petraeus could see that not all counterinsurgencies are easily won, no matter the public’s fortitude. He cited in particular the Soviet Union’s brutal struggles in Afghanistan:
After all, if a country with relatively few public opinion concerns or moral compunctions about its tactics cannot beat a bunch of ill-equipped Afghan tribesmen, what does that say about the ability of the United States —with its domestic constraints, statutory limitations, moral inhibitions, and zealous investigative reporters—to carry out a successful action against a guerrilla force?
Academic questions of that kind require field work to answer; two decades later, Petraeus has his controlled experiment, and his research is remarkably well funded. [SNORT!] It is far from clear, however, whether he is asking all the right questions.
If General Petraeus privately believes President Bush’s facile rhetoric about the pursuit of “victory” in Iraq, it would be a departure from the thinking evident in his dissertation and counterinsurgency field manual. More likely, the General sees himself as scrapping toward a moderately intolerable mess in Iraq, as an alternative to utter cataclysm. [OUCH.] He has compared his goals to the British campaign in Northern Ireland, which produced “a level of violence that actually the Northern Ireland citizens learned to live with.” Britain’s democracy, however, saw crucial interests in its historical ties to Northern Ireland. The American public has made plain that it sees no comparable interest in the interminable pursuit of a less bad Iraq.
Petraeus’s recent strategy of playing for time through the application of spin politics is straining the health and vitality of the Army to which he has devoted his life. [STRAIGHT THROUGH THE HEART!] It is also deepening mistrust between civilian politicians and the military. Surely, for example, the General is conscious of the partisan Republican campaign to promote him as “Bush’s Grant,” and is aware of the cause: the Party expects to lose the next Presidential election because of the war, but Petraeus offers hope, however faint, that a Republican nominee might find something in Iraq to embrace. Petraeus’s ambition is legendary; his pride and his professional devotion to counterinsurgency have now become entangled in an exploitive electoral machine.
Petraeus also apparently clings to the belief that Iraq’s sectarian leaders might reconcile if American forces stay the course. [GIGGLE.] This opinion, shared by many in the Bush Administration, has encouraged yet another generation of unconvincing strategic plans that assume that a unified Iraq governed from Baghdad is attainable and that thousands of American troops might help patrol the capital’s streets for years. A more plausible strategy, devoted to managing as successfully as possible the informal sectarian partition of Iraq which is already well under way, has again been postponed, along with substantial troop reductions.
American majorities repudiated the Vietnam War and have repudiated the invasion of Iraq. They did not lack guts then or now; they saw past the false promises and manipulations of their leaders, and called time. …
You tell ‘em, Steve.
Read all of “General Accounting.”
By the way, have you read Coll’s book, “Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001“?


















TEST POST - IGNORE
George Bush hearts Petraeus — just a test post….
Time code is right for Eastern Standard.
Top of the mornin’ to you ma’am. Thanks Susan, much appreciated. Well done.
Try Petraeus in the search engine - all kinds of stuff comes up.
Yup, what taters said, who obviously has had more coffee than us this morning.
Thanks Susan for pointing out this great article.
susan, not busting your chops, and i suspect it wouldn’t make a difference but….
it’s pEtraeus. with an e.
also, don’t know if they like the + thingie. eg, coll + petraeus.
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and disgusted in st. louis….if you’re in stl we’re probably not too far from each other. email me if ya want.
susan, i authorize you to give disgusted in st. louis my email address.
Thanks, Wethornet…. no sleep strikes again. Fixed now!
If we combine this with the recent WH rhetoric changing our goal from “victory” to “success”, the only missing piece is for WH to redefine “success” as a “moderately intolerable mess”. Sounds like a useful argument for a Dem POTUS candidate.
So what about the current Dem front runner by double digits? During Hillary’s round of the Sunday talk shows, she told Wolf Blitzer:
A quote to remember, which either means she’s announcing she’ll vote no on funding for continuing current policy, or she’ll find an excuse to accept that policy is changing, which would leave her open to be called a liar. I suspect she intends to follow through and vote no. Whatever else she is, she’s not stupid.
And in other military opinion, according to AP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070924/ap_on_re_us/iran_us;_ylt=AgH7YSnpwXS0fYgDMYSq1Xms0NUE
He was speaking to the possibility of attacking Iran. Parallel to Hillary, he’s either stating he’s against giving the order to attack, or he’s setting himself up to be called a liar. Will he take a career hit over an order to attack Iran?
The Iraqis have been helping the Bushies by partitioning Iraq themselves, through ethnic cleansing.
What the hell does this mean?
How many more wars are they planning?
How many more wars indeed?
(how come the link button doesn’t work anymore?)
PNAC, self-claimed neocon ground zero, in
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
says one of the core missions for the U.S. military needs to be:
Whatever the number is, “multiple” means ANY number greater than one. My guess is, they would see ‘more greater’ as better than ‘less greater’.
I don’t know of a specific relationship between Petraeus and PNAC, but his view would seem to enable making this happen.
Glad I’m not the only one. The link button doesn’t work for me either, so I use the HTML code (with the greater/less than symbols in brackets so it shows here):
[< ]A HREF=”HTTP LINK GOES HERE”[>]NAME OF LINK GOES HERE[< ]/A[>]
Example:
[< ]A HREF=”http://noquarterusa.net/”[>]Larry Johnson’s No Quarter blog[< ]/A[>]
– just remove the brackets [], and the code is all there
>>> How many more wars are they planning?
According to the Bush Doctrine, just as many as They want!
let’s see..we got NOKO war
An Iran Bombing campaign
Syria is probably on the list…
Them dang evil doers need to be destroyed…
on another topic.. that WAPo story about the missing nukes.. Even though it’s alarming they stored non-Nuke weapons in the same bunker as the nuclear bombs..Wouldn’t you at least store them on opposite sides of the bunker? It seems like a real mess up there in Minot ND.
And what good does it do to Bar code Nuclear weapons if the system doesn’t work? Does FED-EX need to train the Air Force? How about using radio ID tags? My gawd these are nuclear weapons and the technology seems to be stuck in the 60’s.
Speaking of partition, it seems that Barbara Boxer, Joe Biden, and one other Senator have introduced a bill that would, effectively, begin the process of partitioning Iraq, something Biden has been pushing for years now. This bill is based on utter disregard of what the vast majority of Iraqis want (according to polls only a small minority of Iraqis have ever favoured partition of any kind and to any degree), and complete ignorance of the situation, and of the probably disastrous consequences of partition, particularly partition imposed by an external power.
And most importantly, it is none of Biden’s or Boxer’s or any other American’s business how Iraq is configured, or how Iraqis run their lives and their country.
Please contact your Senators and tell them not to support this bill!
Um, so maybe the proper conclusion is that democracies have no business fighting counterinsurgencies. And I don’t know why Petraeus is using Northern Ireland as an example. The point is, the Brits eventually gave up there and sensibly looked for an exit strategy.
Aha! You’re one of those “weak-kneed” people!
Neither here nor there, but this was my favorite line — cracked me up:
General Petraeus is the “missing link” chosen by the Bush cabal to span his administration and the one to follow, with the goal being to keep enough U.S. forces in Iraq to secure Iraqi oil for western oil companies for years to come.
Oh, and I heard that the General Betray Us moniker originated among U.S. soldiers under Petraeus’ command over in Iraq, long before the MoveOn ad and before it was used against Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Republican, who was called Senator Betray Us by another Republican.
I believe our soldiers in Iraq came up with this derisive name for General Petraeus in response to our soldiers having their tour in Iraq extended from 12 months to 15 months, as well as stop-loss measures and multiple tours. Having enlisted and served in the U.S. military years ago, and having participated in late-night bull sessions discussing officers, I find this credible.
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