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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-37056</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction; I meant to say, only three Giant Redwood areas.</description>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-37055</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long Term:  As is common knowledge, at least to some, fires are not new to CA.  What is new is the exponentially increasing challenge of fuel management.  This is not just CA, but across most forest areas of North America, not the least of which is the Great Basin.  No wonder NIFC is in Boise ID.

For over a hundred years, wildland fires have been put out as quickly as possible, as often as possible, more so as urbanization moves in.  The result is a backlog of forest fuel buildup, for which the practical removal solutions are overwhelming.  All you need today is either dry lightning or a spark from anything, and you get a really big poof.  Then in a high wind, a fire can travel consistently faster than a bicycle, and many times faster at peak moments.  It's an angry animal.

So just keep in mind, though today's fire news will be tomorrow's faint memory; the really big under-addressed problem in the forest is exponentially increasing fuel buildup, which the last-minute-managers in government have yet to come to grips with.  100,000 acre fires used to be rare, now they're commonplace.  Increasingly longer dry seasons don't help either.  Talk to Al Gore about that one.

A long time ago, the forests could take care of themselves because they were so big.  Now they're so much smaller, management is required.  Example, there are only exactly THREE remaining places in the entire world where Redwoods still live; one in China, the other two in CA.  That is IT.  Do we reallly want to forever lose trees older than Jesus?  And BTW, don't forget the Amazon Rain Forest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long Term:  As is common knowledge, at least to some, fires are not new to CA.  What is new is the exponentially increasing challenge of fuel management.  This is not just CA, but across most forest areas of North America, not the least of which is the Great Basin.  No wonder NIFC is in Boise ID.</p>
<p>For over a hundred years, wildland fires have been put out as quickly as possible, as often as possible, more so as urbanization moves in.  The result is a backlog of forest fuel buildup, for which the practical removal solutions are overwhelming.  All you need today is either dry lightning or a spark from anything, and you get a really big poof.  Then in a high wind, a fire can travel consistently faster than a bicycle, and many times faster at peak moments.  It&#8217;s an angry animal.</p>
<p>So just keep in mind, though today&#8217;s fire news will be tomorrow&#8217;s faint memory; the really big under-addressed problem in the forest is exponentially increasing fuel buildup, which the last-minute-managers in government have yet to come to grips with.  100,000 acre fires used to be rare, now they&#8217;re commonplace.  Increasingly longer dry seasons don&#8217;t help either.  Talk to Al Gore about that one.</p>
<p>A long time ago, the forests could take care of themselves because they were so big.  Now they&#8217;re so much smaller, management is required.  Example, there are only exactly THREE remaining places in the entire world where Redwoods still live; one in China, the other two in CA.  That is IT.  Do we reallly want to forever lose trees older than Jesus?  And BTW, don&#8217;t forget the Amazon Rain Forest.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-37046</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprised Bush didn't say "no one could've foreseen the Santa Ana winds...blah, blah."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprised Bush didn&#8217;t say &#8220;no one could&#8217;ve foreseen the Santa Ana winds&#8230;blah, blah.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-37045</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heckuva job Brownie is willing and able to give assistance too. No kidding, he's &lt;em&gt;advising&lt;/em&gt; some private company that makes its money handling disasters and they hired Brownie. You can't make this stuff up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heckuva job Brownie is willing and able to give assistance too. No kidding, he&#8217;s <em>advising</em> some private company that makes its money handling disasters and they hired Brownie. You can&#8217;t make this stuff up.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-37044</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If al Qaeda started the wildfires, does that mean we're winning GWOT?

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		<title>By: Graybeard</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-37038</link>
		<dc:creator>Graybeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't overlook the damage the Bu$h neocons have done to our govt agencies.  Govt lands (a third of Calif) are managed by the US Dept of Forestry, (US Dept of Agriculture); and the Bureau of Land Management (Dept of Interior).  The rivalry, pettiness and duplication are legendary. The Calif Dept of Forestry, CalFire, cannot fight fires on federal land until given permission by the Feds.

CalFire, OTOH, is agile.  The Guvernator signed an executive order to put the DC-10 supertanker on contract back in May, and it was done in time for the start of offical fire season on June 15, which will run until Nov. 15.  However, Feb was the only month in the last 20 months without a wildfire.

GB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t overlook the damage the Bu$h neocons have done to our govt agencies.  Govt lands (a third of Calif) are managed by the US Dept of Forestry, (US Dept of Agriculture); and the Bureau of Land Management (Dept of Interior).  The rivalry, pettiness and duplication are legendary. The Calif Dept of Forestry, CalFire, cannot fight fires on federal land until given permission by the Feds.</p>
<p>CalFire, OTOH, is agile.  The Guvernator signed an executive order to put the DC-10 supertanker on contract back in May, and it was done in time for the start of offical fire season on June 15, which will run until Nov. 15.  However, Feb was the only month in the last 20 months without a wildfire.</p>
<p>GB</p>
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		<title>By: Fred C. Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred C. Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Pilgrim, the Las Vegas feed (LV stations have several crews down there) have said that the arsonist, aged 48, from Hesperia, CA, now in the Greybar Hotel,  was spotted from a CHiP chopper...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Pilgrim, the Las Vegas feed (LV stations have several crews down there) have said that the arsonist, aged 48, from Hesperia, CA, now in the Greybar Hotel,  was spotted from a CHiP chopper&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred C. Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-37031</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred C. Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet, OC is inexorably being re-demographed due to an increasing Hispanic (I hate that term!) population. I think one of their local Hitler Youth politicians was unseated by a young woman who has her stuff in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet, OC is inexorably being re-demographed due to an increasing Hispanic (I hate that term!) population. I think one of their local Hitler Youth politicians was unseated by a young woman who has her stuff in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36913</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and I wish we had a different President, but MY wish will come true before his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and I wish we had a different President, but MY wish will come true before his.</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, hate to break this to you, but observations made from BLACK HELICOPTERS don't count, any more than observations made from flying saucers.  "Yes, I saw the Earthling clearly setting the fire with my own single eye.  I remember saying to my Navigator, Subklarg Qwerxcsjoplumy--'Stinky, I don't much like the looks of this.'  And he agreed, saying, 'For the last time, stop calling me Stinky!'"

Fox News Headline: "ALIEN CONFIRMS AL QAEDA STARTED FIRES--WAIT JUST A FREAKIN' MINUTE, WHAT ALIEN?  SHOULDN'T THAT BE OUR LEAD STORY?  OH, RIGHT, GOTTA WORK AN AL QAEDA ANGLE ON EVERYTHING, EH?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, hate to break this to you, but observations made from BLACK HELICOPTERS don&#8217;t count, any more than observations made from flying saucers.  &#8220;Yes, I saw the Earthling clearly setting the fire with my own single eye.  I remember saying to my Navigator, Subklarg Qwerxcsjoplumy&#8211;&#8217;Stinky, I don&#8217;t much like the looks of this.&#8217;  And he agreed, saying, &#8216;For the last time, stop calling me Stinky!&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Fox News Headline: &#8220;ALIEN CONFIRMS AL QAEDA STARTED FIRES&#8211;WAIT JUST A FREAKIN&#8217; MINUTE, WHAT ALIEN?  SHOULDN&#8217;T THAT BE OUR LEAD STORY?  OH, RIGHT, GOTTA WORK AN AL QAEDA ANGLE ON EVERYTHING, EH?</p>
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		<title>By: Montag</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36904</link>
		<dc:creator>Montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember when Republican U.S. Senator Conrad Burns (if memory serves) told some firefighters he met at an airport that they were doing a lousey job? Yeah, like he'd know from his vast experience of firefighting--NOT!  Anyway he lost his seat to John Tester.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when Republican U.S. Senator Conrad Burns (if memory serves) told some firefighters he met at an airport that they were doing a lousey job? Yeah, like he&#8217;d know from his vast experience of firefighting&#8211;NOT!  Anyway he lost his seat to John Tester.</p>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36842</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush says, &lt;a href="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/bush_faces_fires_i_wish_we_cou.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;"I wish we could control the wind"&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, can you imagine the disaster if he actually could?  Since he can't, I guess we all have a reason to celebrate Thanksgiving next month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush says, <a href="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/bush_faces_fires_i_wish_we_cou.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;I wish we could control the wind&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Well, can you imagine the disaster if he actually could?  Since he can&#8217;t, I guess we all have a reason to celebrate Thanksgiving next month.</p>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...what was supposed to post...
thx Leslie,  I'm in a high wind area, but I've been fortunate. (Sylmar-foothills, 20 minutes from magic mountain)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;what was supposed to post&#8230;<br />
thx Leslie,  I&#8217;m in a high wind area, but I&#8217;ve been fortunate. (Sylmar-foothills, 20 minutes from magic mountain)</p>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36676</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOPS, WRONG COMMENT IN THE CLIPBOARD. SORRY.</description>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36675</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the hit squad speculation just keeps on coming.  Here's my two cents.  Multiple possibilities.

1. at face value, a hit squad was on the way, and was subsequently discovered/thwarted

2. 'chatter' was released about hit squads with no one actually going anywhere, so as to f**k with secret service

3. a hit squad was dispatched as misdirection; like when someone starts a building fire to occupy civic response, while a bank robbery is executed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the hit squad speculation just keeps on coming.  Here&#8217;s my two cents.  Multiple possibilities.</p>
<p>1. at face value, a hit squad was on the way, and was subsequently discovered/thwarted</p>
<p>2. &#8216;chatter&#8217; was released about hit squads with no one actually going anywhere, so as to f**k with secret service</p>
<p>3. a hit squad was dispatched as misdirection; like when someone starts a building fire to occupy civic response, while a bank robbery is executed</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36667</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stay safe Ybnormal.</description>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36660</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q: how to take dramatic events in stride?
A: Peggy Lee "Is That All There Is"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-hiDMpcN9Y

We'll need some relaxing music as we brace ourselves for the parade of the politico photo ops.

First on the agenda is comparison with Katrina, footage with Chertoff walking around with Governator, stressing how everything is going swimmingly; I guess to repair the image damage from Katrina.

How do I know this is all about image?  Southern Louisiana is still an un-recovered disaster area, that's how.

Apples and Oranges.  Dealing with a hurricane for which there was no dress rehearsal is simply NOT the same as dealing with wildfires which we out here have faced every year since our earliest memory.  California has simply had more practice in a live situation, with a much bigger population to answer to.

Next up, Bush arriving tomorrow.  I suggest he land in Palmdale, and stay out of the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: how to take dramatic events in stride?<br />
A: Peggy Lee &#8220;Is That All There Is&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-hiDMpcN9Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-hiDMpcN9Y</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;ll need some relaxing music as we brace ourselves for the parade of the politico photo ops.</p>
<p>First on the agenda is comparison with Katrina, footage with Chertoff walking around with Governator, stressing how everything is going swimmingly; I guess to repair the image damage from Katrina.</p>
<p>How do I know this is all about image?  Southern Louisiana is still an un-recovered disaster area, that&#8217;s how.</p>
<p>Apples and Oranges.  Dealing with a hurricane for which there was no dress rehearsal is simply NOT the same as dealing with wildfires which we out here have faced every year since our earliest memory.  California has simply had more practice in a live situation, with a much bigger population to answer to.</p>
<p>Next up, Bush arriving tomorrow.  I suggest he land in Palmdale, and stay out of the way.</p>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36657</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoopster, good perspective on.....perspective.
Which naturally leads to the eye of the beholder.

I haven't been to Indiana, but I have seen other states with heavier foliage, and I can see how Camp Pendleton could look underwhelming by comparison; like for example where some of my relatives live in Maryland.

It is however, one of the few places here still maintained in it's original natural state.  As an L.A. native, it looks wonderful to me.

Did you know there are campgrounds inside Camp Pendleton boundaries which are open to the public; with hiking trails leading to breathtaking views of the coast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoopster, good perspective on&#8230;..perspective.<br />
Which naturally leads to the eye of the beholder.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been to Indiana, but I have seen other states with heavier foliage, and I can see how Camp Pendleton could look underwhelming by comparison; like for example where some of my relatives live in Maryland.</p>
<p>It is however, one of the few places here still maintained in it&#8217;s original natural state.  As an L.A. native, it looks wonderful to me.</p>
<p>Did you know there are campgrounds inside Camp Pendleton boundaries which are open to the public; with hiking trails leading to breathtaking views of the coast?</p>
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		<title>By: robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This morning on Fox News, hosts of the show Fox and Friends blamed the wildfires in California on a new culprit: al Qaeda. They pointed to a 2003 FBI memo, which raised the possibility that al Qaeda may try to set wildfires around the western United States. They also noted that men in a “hovering helicopter” saw “a guy starting one of these fires.”

http://thinkprogress.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning on Fox News, hosts of the show Fox and Friends blamed the wildfires in California on a new culprit: al Qaeda. They pointed to a 2003 FBI memo, which raised the possibility that al Qaeda may try to set wildfires around the western United States. They also noted that men in a “hovering helicopter” saw “a guy starting one of these fires.”</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: hoosierhoops</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/10/22/forest-fires-target-people-who-hate-america/#comment-36640</link>
		<dc:creator>hoosierhoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well spoken leslie..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well spoken leslie..</p>
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