Comments on: Torture: Our U.S. Military Makes Me Proud http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:59:39 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Grandma M http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-41438 Grandma M Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:25:45 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-41438 Susan, Welcome back and I hope you are doing well and are now pain free. I signed the petition and then learned I had already signed it a month ago through my email. You are defintely right that this should become the largest petition ever - Can anyone here cross post this across the blogosphere so that a couple of million signatures can be gotten quickly? Susan,

Welcome back and I hope you are doing well and are now pain free.

I signed the petition and then learned I had already signed it a month ago through my email. You are defintely right that this should become the largest petition ever – Can anyone here cross post this across the blogosphere so that a couple of million signatures can be gotten quickly?

]]> By: Long Tooth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-41018 Long Tooth Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:57:53 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-41018 How far divorced from our Republican ideals do you reckon the people of this nation are today, that such a petition should be applauded? Applauded, not (even) so much as an act of common decency, but as an act of courage? Which is to say: what kind of people do you think we are? How far divorced from our Republican ideals do you reckon the people of this nation are today, that such a petition should be applauded? Applauded, not (even) so much as an act of common decency, but as an act of courage?

Which is to say: what kind of people do you think we are?

]]> By: cruzdelsur http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-41006 cruzdelsur Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:15:26 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-41006 Coming from South America, I always thought that the US accepted torure, if not directly committing torture, then by teaching it, or by witnessing it. For example, the case of Charlie Horman who was beaten to a pulp and then his death, while (suposedly) 3 CIA agents witnessed it. More recently, the case of Michael Townsley and two Cubans went to the "Automotores Orletti" where they detained and torture foreigners, to "interrogte two Cuban diplomats (and later murdered and dissapeared)while two FBI agents were witnesses. And then there is the infamous School of America, were foreign officers are trained (supposedly also taught torture techniques) Even in the post larry wrote regarding waterboarding, Malcolm Nance admitted watching tapes of people being subjected to waterboarding in Argentina. The point is, it really blows my mind how many intel and sodiers are so opposed to it. It is these people, that me me proud of my American heritage. Coming from South America, I always thought that the US accepted torure, if not directly committing torture, then by teaching it, or by witnessing it. For example, the case of Charlie Horman who was beaten to a pulp and then his death, while (suposedly) 3 CIA agents witnessed it. More recently, the case of Michael Townsley and two Cubans went to the “Automotores Orletti” where they detained and torture foreigners, to “interrogte two Cuban diplomats (and later murdered and dissapeared)while two FBI agents were witnesses. And then there is the infamous School of America, were foreign officers are trained (supposedly also taught torture techniques)

Even in the post larry wrote regarding waterboarding, Malcolm Nance admitted watching tapes of people being subjected to waterboarding in Argentina.

The point is, it really blows my mind how many intel and sodiers are so opposed to it. It is these people, that me me proud of my American heritage.

]]> By: PrchrLady http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-41005 PrchrLady Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:11:45 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-41005 great story, montag. also, I love your writing on your website. I stop by at least once a day, just to see what's going on your way. thanks. I read several other articles today and yesterday on this torture insanity. Many, many people throughout the military, are speaking out. It is so sad that it has even come to this... It comes from the top... bush and cheney, and all their minions condone it. As a people, we must speak out and demand better for our country. It seems that since the men and women of our Congress are unwilling to step up to the plate and DO the RIGHT THING, then the time has come for some form of civil disobedience to prevent a greater calamity. I cannot get the picture of Desiree puutting her red tinged hands up in Condi's face. I watched the video several times as well. It shocked, and opened a greater awareness. This is the kind of thing we need more of today. A couple of links on torture issue I found interesting: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/jag-leahy-waterboarding/ http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/227 And as a possible explanation, I offer Bob Burnett, on Depressed America. At first, when I read it, I found myself saying, yeah, right... a couple of days later, it still lingers in my thots. Maybe he is onto something?? http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/10732 great story, montag. also, I love your writing on your website. I stop by at least once a day, just to see what’s going on your way. thanks.

I read several other articles today and yesterday on this torture insanity. Many, many people throughout the military, are speaking out. It is so sad that it has even come to this… It comes from the top… bush and cheney, and all their minions condone it. As a people, we must speak out and demand better for our country. It seems that since the men and women of our Congress are unwilling to step up to the plate and DO the RIGHT THING, then the time has come for some form of civil disobedience to prevent a greater calamity.

I cannot get the picture of Desiree puutting her red tinged hands up in Condi’s face. I watched the video several times as well. It shocked, and opened a greater awareness. This is the kind of thing we need more of today.

A couple of links on torture issue I found interesting:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/03/jag-leahy-waterboarding/

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/227

And as a possible explanation, I offer Bob Burnett, on Depressed America. At first, when I read it, I found myself saying, yeah, right… a couple of days later, it still lingers in my thots. Maybe he is onto something??

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/10732

]]> By: Montag http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40993 Montag Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:24:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40993 There's a true story about a U.S. Army battalion in Vietnam that would leave cloth unit patches in the mouths of dead enemy soldiers to let them know who had done it. One day they got the bright idea of making a friggin' BRANDING IRON to actually brand their unit insignia into the enemy corpses. Their commander got a big laugh out of that. He pointed out that the iron was too heavy to lug around with them--was anyone going to volunteer to carry it all day? And when they wanted to use it they'd have to start a fire to heat it up, which would reveal their position, not to mention the time spent making the fire. The commander took it home a put it over his fireplace as a war souvenier--never used. Of course his real objection was that it was a pretty SICK thing to come up with, but he chose to argue them out of it using practical arguments. There’s a true story about a U.S. Army battalion in Vietnam that would leave cloth unit patches in the mouths of dead enemy soldiers to let them know who had done it. One day they got the bright idea of making a friggin’ BRANDING IRON to actually brand their unit insignia into the enemy corpses. Their commander got a big laugh out of that. He pointed out that the iron was too heavy to lug around with them–was anyone going to volunteer to carry it all day? And when they wanted to use it they’d have to start a fire to heat it up, which would reveal their position, not to mention the time spent making the fire. The commander took it home a put it over his fireplace as a war souvenier–never used. Of course his real objection was that it was a pretty SICK thing to come up with, but he chose to argue them out of it using practical arguments.

]]> By: hoosierhoops http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40961 hoosierhoops Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:23:08 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40961 What a hoot! “24″ is one of the most absurd, fictional shows on television! I actually love to watch it for big laughs, and then I rush over to Dave Barry’s blog about “24″ because Barry makes the most hysterically funny comments ridiculing the show, as do his regular group of commenters who join in the fun. actually....I referenced the show '24'. The Hoopster as never seen 24..but from the clips i've seen i've got to agree with you 100%... What a hoot! “24″ is one of the most absurd, fictional shows on television! I actually love to watch it for big laughs, and then I rush over to Dave Barry’s blog about “24″ because Barry makes the most hysterically funny comments ridiculing the show, as do his regular group of commenters who join in the fun.

actually….I referenced the show ‘24′. The Hoopster as never seen 24..but from the clips i’ve seen i’ve got to agree with you 100%…

]]> By: SusanUnPC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40904 SusanUnPC Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:59:56 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40904 They are narcissists, as I pointed out in a post below -- and they have no conscience. Further, they're sadists who get a near-sexual rush out of cruelty. They are very, very sick people. They are narcissists, as I pointed out in a post below — and they have no conscience. Further, they’re sadists who get a near-sexual rush out of cruelty. They are very, very sick people.

]]> By: SusanUnPC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40902 SusanUnPC Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:57:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40902 I love everything Larry posts, but one of my all-time favs is his quoting of Antonin Scalia extolling "24" and Jack Bauer as examples of how U.S. policy should be. What a hoot! "24" is one of the most absurd, fictional shows on television! I actually love to watch it for big laughs, and then I rush over to <a href="http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/24/index.html" rel="nofollow">Dave Barry's blog about "24"</a> because Barry makes the most hysterically funny comments ridiculing the show, as do his regular group of commenters who join in the fun. I can't wait for the new season of "24" just so I can watch it and make fun ot it, and then run over to Barry's blog for lots of good belly-laughs! OF NOTE: It's astonishing how all the Republican candidates, except McCain, are soft on torture just because -- it's so baldly apparent -- they think it makes them look more manly and tough on terrorism. I love everything Larry posts, but one of my all-time favs is his quoting of Antonin Scalia extolling “24″ and Jack Bauer as examples of how U.S. policy should be. What a hoot! “24″ is one of the most absurd, fictional shows on television! I actually love to watch it for big laughs, and then I rush over to Dave Barry’s blog about “24″ because Barry makes the most hysterically funny comments ridiculing the show, as do his regular group of commenters who join in the fun.

I can’t wait for the new season of “24″ just so I can watch it and make fun ot it, and then run over to Barry’s blog for lots of good belly-laughs!

OF NOTE: It’s astonishing how all the Republican candidates, except McCain, are soft on torture just because — it’s so baldly apparent — they think it makes them look more manly and tough on terrorism.

]]> By: Pete Phillips http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40782 Pete Phillips Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:00:46 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40782 The fact that water-boarding is even being debated is a sad measure of how far this administration and their Congressional partners have sunk. The fact that water-boarding is even being debated is a sad measure of how far this administration and their Congressional partners have sunk.

]]> By: hoosierhoops http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40754 hoosierhoops Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:27:46 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40754 Susan: There is never a reason to torture people.. Why? It's just not right..The administration uses the ticking time bomb scenero.. Hey like some terrorist in Iraq has a nuclear bomb hidden in Chicago we can find out about..just like 24. So let's just torture everybody in case somebody knows something..absurd to say the least. who could we have waterboarded to find out about 9-11? everybody that's an arab? Absurd. Susan:
There is never a reason to torture people..
Why? It’s just not right..The administration uses the ticking time bomb scenero..
Hey like some terrorist in Iraq has a nuclear bomb hidden in Chicago we can find out about..just like 24.
So let’s just torture everybody in case somebody knows something..absurd to say the least.
who could we have waterboarded to find out about 9-11? everybody that’s an arab? Absurd.

]]> By: SusanUnPC http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40715 SusanUnPC Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:40:21 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40715 One easy way, that I use is this: Look at your above comment. Notice that the comment is date- and time-stamped. Comment by PrchrLady | 2007-11-04 15:25:38 In a thread, you can always do a search for "11-04" to catch all of the comments posted today. How do you do that? Presuming you're using Windows/PC, you'll want to type Control-F. That brings up a search window. Then type "11-04" or whatever date you're searching for. Then type Control-G to find the first comment posted for that date. Then keep typing Control-G to find all of the posts under that date. Keyboard shortcuts are way cool. I strongly advocate learning them and using them! :) One easy way, that I use is this:

Look at your above comment. Notice that the comment is date- and time-stamped.

Comment by PrchrLady | 2007-11-04 15:25:38

In a thread, you can always do a search for “11-04″ to catch all of the comments posted today. How do you do that?

Presuming you’re using Windows/PC, you’ll want to type Control-F. That brings up a search window. Then type “11-04″ or whatever date you’re searching for.

Then type Control-G to find the first comment posted for that date. Then keep typing Control-G to find all of the posts under that date.

Keyboard shortcuts are way cool. I strongly advocate learning them and using them! :)

]]> By: PrchrLady http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40709 PrchrLady Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:25:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/04/torture-our-us-military-does-us-proud/#comment-40709 Thank you Susan, for bringing this man's principled stand of courage to the front. I am proud of him as well. I missed your post yesterday, but will follow up on it shortly. Glad you mentioned it... OT, here, but I have a question. How can we make the comments section work better so we don't 'miss' some, because they are hidden into the above comments on a thread? For example, how does someone know when to check an older thread, for updated content? Especially a problem on busier days, when it goes thru the recent comment feature rather quickly. Last night I posted a comment on the Friday open thread. About the plight of our veterans, who continue to go without adequate health care. An important topic right now, with bushie boy getting out the vote for Peake's appointment as VA Secry. He is another bush croney, and should be held in gitmo for crimes against our soldiers... IMHO... and yet, where is the outcry to oppose him??? I hope others will also weigh in on this. Thank you Susan, for bringing this man’s principled stand of courage to the front. I am proud of him as well. I missed your post yesterday, but will follow up on it shortly. Glad you mentioned it…

OT, here, but I have a question. How can we make the comments section work better so we don’t ‘miss’ some, because they are hidden into the above comments on a thread? For example, how does someone know when to check an older thread, for updated content? Especially a problem on busier days, when it goes thru the recent comment feature rather quickly.

Last night I posted a comment on the Friday open thread. About the plight of our veterans, who continue to go without adequate health care. An important topic right now, with bushie boy getting out the vote for Peake’s appointment as VA Secry. He is another bush croney, and should be held in gitmo for crimes against our soldiers… IMHO… and yet, where is the outcry to oppose him??? I hope others will also weigh in on this.

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