Pay No Attention to This Spy Scandal, Move Along
By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry Johnson
Name: Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.[1] He has worked as a private consultant on issues of international terrorism and security for the U.S. Government and private companies. Johnson has appeared as a consultant and commentator in many major newspapers and news programs.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Views
2.1 1996
2.2 1998
2.3 1999
2.4 2000
2.5 2001
2.6 2003
2.6.1 Plame affair
2.7 2008
3 Notes
4 References
5 External links
[edit]Background
Larry Johnson moved to Washington, D.C. in 1979 to begin work on a Ph.D. at the American University. Although he completed successfully all coursework and comprehensive exams, he did not write a dissertation. In 1978 and in 1983-85 he worked in Latin America on community development projects as a community organizer. Returning to the United States in 1985 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, thanks in part to a letter of recommendation from Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that helped to "open doors" for him at the Agency.[3] Johnson entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 and was a classmate of Valerie Plame. Every member of that class was undercover. After a year in the Career Trainee program, which included a stint with the Afghan Task Force, Johnson was assigned as an analyst in the Middle America Caribbean Division in the Latin American Affairs Office of the Directorate of Intelligence. He received two Exceptional Performance awards and was promoted ultimately to Senior Regional Analyst for Central America.
Johnson remained undercover in the CIA until October 1989, when he resigned from the CIA and started a new job in the Office of Counter Terrorism at the Department of State. Johnson played an instrumental role in launching the Terrorism Rewards program international advertising campaign (working with Diplomatic Security officers Brad Smith and Michael Parks). [4] Johnson also was involved in a variety of crisis management response operations, including the release of hostages from Lebanon and liaison with the Pan Am 103 families. He left government service in October 1993 and started his own business as a consultant.
After leaving government service, Johnson became a frequent guest on many major television news shows when a question of terrorism came up. He was first interviewed by CNN following the capture of Carlos the Jackal. Johnson subsequently appeared on CNN, ABC's Nightline, CBS, the BBC, MSNBC, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, NBC, and NPR. In December of 1999, for example, Johnson was hired by NBC to serve as its terrorist expert for the Y2000 and was in Time Square with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric ("a lot of fun and the best way to see in the New Year"). Johnson also was hired in January 2002 as a Fox News Analyst and remained under contract until February 2003.
Since 1994 a significant focus of Johnson's consulting work has been with the U.S. military special operations forces in scripting and conducting military counter terrorism exercises. He traveled under orders from the U.S. military to Iraq in May 2006 to work on a short term project.
A registered Republican who supported President Bush in 2000, Johnson became a strong critic of the Bush administration in May 2003 for its conduct of the war in Iraq and, a few months later, for its role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.[5] He was also featured in the 2004 political documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Since Robert Novak's controversial disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in July 2003, Johnson has contributed to public discourse on intelligence matters, often sparking further controversy. He has been interviewed by both the mass media and the alternative media and published commentaries on a variety of issues, including the Plame affair, the controversy concerning Mary McCarthy, and the resignation of Porter Goss as Director of Central Intelligence.
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[edit]1996
In 1996, Johnson noted that terrorism worldwide was on the decline. "Terrorist incidents [both internationally and in the US] have fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s. Whether measured by the number of incidents, the number of fatalities, or the number of groups, raw statistics demonstrate that the level of terrorist violence has declined since the mid-1980s. In fact, the evidence suggests terrorism was more widespread and deadly 10 years ago."[6]
He also wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times suggesting that the newer and more deadly terrorist threat to the U.S. was embodied by "networks of terrorists, mostly foreign, working within its borders." Exemplifying this threat was Ramzi Yousef, one of the masterminds behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. In the article, Johnson suggests that enhanced cooperation between intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA, is mandatory to meet the growing threat of terror networks.[7]
[edit]1998
In 1998, Johnson argued that while overall terrorism was declining, the threat from bin Laden and al-Qaeda should be the focus of American counterterrorism policy:
The nature of the threat posed by Bin Ladin is highlighted by my final chart, number 7. Osama Bin Ladin and individuals associated with him have killed and wounded more Americans than any other group. This chart also illustrates that groups such as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) prior to 1998 have killed more foreigners in the anti-US terrorist attacks. If we take into account the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama's status as the most lethal terrorist is certain.[8]
In addition, he told USA Today that bin Laden had participated in "virtually every major attack of terrorism against the United States" in the 1990s. Johnson underlined the threat posed by bin Laden, saying that he was possessed by "hatred and craziness." If left unanswered, "he would continue to terrorize Americans around the world. He has no compunction about killing women and children. He's a complete egalitarian in his murderous attitude."[9]
[edit]1999
In an interview with PBS's Frontline for its 1999 program, Hunting bin Laden, Johnson discussed Osama bin Laden.[10] According to Johnson, Americans had "tended to make Osama bin Laden sort of a superman in Muslim garb." "Actually," he continues, "Osama bin Laden, in my view, represents more of a symptom of a problem, and the problem is this: the Saudi Arabian government, not just Osama bin Laden but many people in Saudi Arabia, have been sending money to radical Islamic groups for years." Johnson continued:
When you look at who's killed Americans in the last 10 years, the individuals he's supported and backed--I'm basing that upon the initial information that's been released in the indictments and conversations with others in the intelligence communities--Osama bin Laden has been the one killing Americans. No other terrorist group in the world has been out killing Americans except for Osama bin Laden.... Osama bin Laden remains out there as the one really targeting us. So, we recognize that he's the threat. He's serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he's in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn't have access to a cell phone, as long as he can't just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.[11]
In the interview, Johnson doubted the ability of members of bin Laden's organization to plan and put their lives on the line:
There's not another Ali or Mustafa out there at this point and Osama bin Laden in my view has not been a very effective organizer or leader. He talks a great game and puts out terrific threats as far as stirring the passions in the United States and maybe firing up the imaginations of some young Muslims throughout the world. But when push comes to shove, can he get a group of people who are together who will say: we are going to plan an operation, we're going to put our lives on the line, we're going to go out and try and kill people and we don't care what the consequence is? It hasn't happened.[12]
Frontline asked:
[Is it] ... fair to say what you're saying is that the president of the United States, his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor for counter-terrorism, are basically blowing smoke [about the danger posed by bin Laden] and his followers]?
Johnson responded:
They're grossly exaggerating the problem. They are hyping it. They shouldn't be talking about rising terrorism. Instead of saying "terrorism's rising," it's not. "Terrorism is spreading," it's not. "More people are dying from terrorism," not the case. But what they should be saying is, "There's one individual out there that really doesn't like us, and he's made it his mission in life to kill Americans, and we've gotta deal with him." But we need to have a voice of reason in that process instead of putting ourselves out crying wolf, because this is essentially what's taking place right now. They call it the administration that cries wolf.[12]
[edit]2000
Johnson co-authored an article in 2000 with Milt Bearden which focused on the threat posed by al-Qaeda specifically, rather than terrorism trends in general. Beardon and Johnson note that new information emerging about the bombings at Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 points to the threat posed by Imad Mugniyah and Osama Bin Laden will require "a coordinated policy that will employ a full range of covert, clandestine, diplomatic, and military operations," concluding:
The Clinton Administration has shot its bolt on the terrorist problem with small effect, and no last minute show of force will change the record. A new administration can start afresh with a more sharply defined set of terrorism goals – Mughniyeh and bin Laden and their protectors for starters – and bring the full, coordinated force of American diplomatic, military, and intelligence capabilities to bear on the problem.[13]
[edit]2001
After Johnson's testimony to the special forum at the U.S. Senate, Gary J. Schmitt, executive director and CEO of the Project for the New American Century, refers in the Daily Standard (blog) to an op-ed piece Johnson wrote two months prior to the 9/11 attacks, claiming that Johnson argued that the US had little to fear from terrorism.[14]
In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.[15]
Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, after quoting the above passage, Timothy Noah concludes a post in his "Chatterbox" feature at Slate: "Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong."[16] Johnson defended himself against such attacks:
The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism. President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.[17]
After September 11, Johnson appeared several times on FOX News to address the question of military action against terrorism. On 14 November, he defended the FBI's proposal to interview 5,000 students in the U.S. suspected of having information relevant to the September 11 investigations:
I think they should talk to everyone that they feel they have a need to talk to. I mean, look, this is war. This is not a legal proceeding. This isn't the O.J. Simpson trial. The folks that attacked us -- they murdered Americans. And we've got to recognize that in wartime, we should do things differently.[18]
[edit]2003
In January 2003, Johnson wrote an analysis of the relationship between the upcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq and the threat of transnational terrorism. According to Johnson, Bremer's response was to tell him that "it didn't matter what Saddam did or didn't do, we were going to war."[19] The paper warned that an invasion would "do little to destroy the infrastructure of radical Islamic terrorism responsible for the 9-11 attacks." Noting that Saddam Hussein's regime has been a longtime supporter of regional terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Johnson examines contacts between Saddam Hussein and transnational terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda:
There is no doubt that Iraq is a state sponsor of terrorism—i.e., a country that provides financial support, safe haven, training, or weapons and explosives to groups or individuals that carry out terrorist attacks. . . . According to Central Intelligence Agency data, there is no credible evidence implicating Iraq in any mass casualty terrorist attacks since 1991. . . .
Johnson notes that the period immediately leading up to 2003 saw a rise of activity surrounding terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggesting that "Iraq is willing to help a movement that it would otherwise oppose on ideological grounds. Nonetheless," Johnson concludes, "it is important to understand that Iraqi entreaties to Al Qaeda, are most likely intended as a tactic to bolster Iraq’s ability to fight off a U.S. invasion rather than a deep-seated theological and ideological commitment to the terrorist agenda of Bin Laden.[20]
In that analysis Johnson also warns that the U.S.-led invasion was likely to backfire:
In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world — a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers — and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against America and her citizens.... If we decide to invade Iraq we must be prepared for the contingency that our attack will inspire young Muslims to pursue jihad against the West in general and the United States in particular. Just as the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rallied many Muslims, especially young adults to the cause of jihad, a U.S. attack may enable Islamic extremists to attract new followers.[20]
Johnson also gave interviews on the topic of what to do with captured al-Qaeda leaders; while he did not condone torture, he suggested that a "sleep deprivation and reward system" might be useful for getting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:
I don't see a constitutional right to have eight hours of sleep. You shouldn't subject someone to freezing but they don't get to wear mink coats, either.[21]
In May 2003, Johnson joined members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in condemning the manipulation of intelligence for political purposes:
It is a misuse and abuse of intelligence. The president was being misled. He was ill served by the folks who are supposed to protect him on this. Whether this was witting or unwitting, I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.[22]
[edit]Plame affair
After Robert Novak wrote a column identifying the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson as a CIA officer, the media invited Johnson to comment on the ensuing scandal because he had been a member of the same Career Trainee class with Valerie Plame Wilson. For example, in October 2003, he appeared on Democracy Now to discuss the Plame affair. He told interviewer Amy Goodman that Valerie Wilson's cover should have been respected whether she was an "analyst" or a "cleaning lady": "if she's undercover she's undercover, period. If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue."[23]
He told a Senate Democratic Policy Committee in October 2003, "My classmates and I have been betrayed. Together, we have kept the secrets of each other's identities a secret for 18 years. Each and every one of us have kept that secret, whether we were in the CIA, in other government service or in the private sector. But this issue is not just about a blown cover. It is about the destruction of the very essence, the core of human intelligence collection activities: plausible deniability, apparently, for partisan domestic political reasons."[24]
Johnson testified at a special joint hearing of Congressional and Senate Democrats on 22 July 2005 about the consequences arising from the Plame affair.[25]
[edit]2008
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton and a strong critic of Barack Obama. Larry Johnson's blog, NoQuarterUSA, became a rally point for Clinton supporters wary of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. Supporters of Barack Obama insist that a story that first appeared on Johnson's blog--a report that Republican operatives have a tape of Michelle Obama making racially insenstive comments about caucasians--has been "refuted" Barack Obama's Fight the Smears website.[26]. However, Johnson never claimed to have the tape and reported that the Republican operatives controlling it intended to release the tape sometime after the Democratic Convention in August 2008. On October 21, however, he asserted that the operative in possession of the tape had been instructed by the McCain campaign not to release it.[27]
[edit]Notes
^ http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-political-coverage/
^ Larry C. Johnson, "About Me," No Quarter (personal blog).
^ "Former CIA Official Larry Johnson Delivers Democratic Radio Address," transcript posted on official Democratic National Committee's website for The Democratic Party, July 23, 2005], accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Interview with Larry Johnson, confirmed by his supervisor
^ "Ex-CIA official Blasts Bush on Leak of Operative's Name: Democrats' Radio Address Focuses on White House Aides' Role," CNN July 23, 2005, accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Gail Russell Chaddock, "Why Terrorists Pick On the French," Christian Science Monitor (5 December 1996) p. 1.
^ Larry Johnson, "Terrorists Among Us," New York Times (20 August 1996) p. A19.
^ Terrorism Today
^ Lee Michael Katz, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," USA Today (21 August 1998) p. 1A.
^ See Transcript of original interview with Larry C. Johnson, as broadcast on Frontline in 1999. Cf. "Interview: Larry C. Johnson," for Hunting bin Laden, transcript of interview broadcast on Frontline subsequently on 13 April 2001. See also dedicated PBS webpages for media links: Iraq and the War on Terror, Frontline PBS, online featured programs, accessed 19 November 2006.
^ frontline: hunting bin laden: interviews: larry c. johnson | PBS
^ a b [1].
^ As posted in [2].
^ Gary Schmitt, [ 07/25/2005 "Meet Larry Johnson: The CIA official Turned Democratic Spokesman Has a Pre-9/11 Mindset," Daily Standard (blog), July 25, 2005, accessed November 20, 2006.
^ *Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," The New York Times 10 July 2001: A19.
^ Timothy Noah, "(Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson," Chatterbox: Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics (blog), hosted by Slate September 21, 2001, accessed November 20, 2006. Note the full context of this quotation:
It is, to be sure, a little bit cheap (and slightly at odds with the usual parameters of this feature) to criticize someone for making an erroneous prediction, particularly after a tragedy. Chatterbox is especially reluctant to tag Johnson because Johnson's op-ed was argued forcefully, backed up meticulously with factual data, and bravely at odds with conventional wisdom at the time of its publication. Add in that Johnson now makes his living as a consultant to corporations about terrorism, and therefore had everything to gain by exaggerating the dangers terrorism poses, and the guy practically looks like a hero. Chatterbox, who two decades ago was an editor for the New York Times op-ed page, would have published Johnson's piece had he still been an editor there this past July. In his capacity at Slate, Chatterbox might well have written up Johnson's prediction, and perhaps even endorsed it.
But boy, is he glad he didn't! Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong. Sadly, a mistake this embarrassing cannot be ignored. As a fellow skeptic, Chatterbox in all sincerity wishes Johnson better luck next time.
^ Larry C. Johnson, "Johnson vs. President Bush," re-posted and updated by SusanHu at DailyKos (blog) July 25, 2005.
^ FOX News Interview with John Garrett (14 November 2001) Transcript #111405cb.260.
^ [3].
^ a b Larry C. Johnson, "Setting the Record Straight on Iraqi Terrorism," posted in Booman Tribune: A Progressive Community (personal blog) 27 January 2003. accessed 19 November 2006.
^ Qtd. in Toby Harnden, "CIA 'pressure' on al-Qa'eda chief," The London Telegraph 5 March 2003: 16.
^ Qtd. in Nicolas D. Kristof, "Save Our Spooks," The New York Times 30 May 2003:A6.
^ Democracy Now (3 October 2003)[4]
^ U.S. Senate, Democratic Policy Committee Meeting on the CIA Operative Leak, (24 October 2003).
^ Letter to the Senate.[Needs full source citation; see "References" section.]
^ Tumulty, Karen (2008-06-12). "Will Obama's Anti-Rumor Plan Work?", Time Magazine. Retrieved on 20 June 2008.:"a story that apparently first made a big splash on the Internet in late May in a post by pro-Hillary Clinton blogger Larry Johnson"
^ Whitey Tape, API, Phil Berg, and Andy MartinSee Authors Posts (1090) on November 14, 2007 at 9:16 PM in Current Affairs
Nothing to see here. Please keep moving. Shades of Leslie Nielsen and Naked Gun (youtube version pasted below). What am I writing about? Check out the following from Jimmy Meeks at the New York Daily News:
A suspected Hezbollah mole who penetrated the ranks of the FBI and CIA pleaded guilty Tuesday to falsely getting U.S. citizenship and snooping in FBI terrorism files.
Former waitress Nada Nadim Prouty, 37, of Vienna, Va., admitted arranging a sham marriage with an American in Michigan to win U.S. citizenship. She parlayed that into sensitive jobs as an FBI special agent and a CIA operations officer, sources said.
Lots still to know here but this much is certain:
- Prouty passed a CIA polygraph. This should put to rest once and for all the nonsense that a polygraph is an effective counter-intelligence tool. It only works against uptight religious folks with guilty consciences. Folks like Aldrich Ames and Prouty can beat it.
- The CIA and FBI are going to great lengths to try to tamp this story down. But you don’t blow an ops officer’s career just because she took a sneaky peek of an classified file. For Christ’s sake. She had clearances. She did something beyond read. Based on my own experience with classified computers you cannot read documents, even restricted documents, unless you have access to them. If you do not have the password, you cannot read it. It sure looks like Prouty did in fact have access to the document or documents in question.
- My guess is that a source, recruited by either FBI or the CIA, tipped us off that we had a mole.
Along with James Meeks, Greg Miller of the Los Angeles Times also is following the story. Good work gents. Go get ‘em.
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Hmmmmmm Larry, I never guessed that would happen.
Maybe they should only recruit members of the Bush family for positions requiring the handling of sensitive information. They say that this is best handled by insensitive people. Of course, any drug dealers, users or ex users wouldn’t be welcome, I guess.
Problem solved, yes?
Ha! I just wonder how long they sat on this story before they released it to reinforce the idea that we can’t ever trust anyone who is Muslim.
This is quite informative Larry. Thanks. And yes, it hasn’t gotten the attention something like this deserves. You make a strong case regarding lie detector tests. The metro Detroit restaurant chain LaShish, has been a local favorite here for years. I appreciate your professional summation and a nice tie in w/Naked Gun. The point is not lost on the “Nothin’ to see here folks…”
Some of those scenes are pricless.
That clip remains funny despite repeated viewings.
Okay. I watched it. OMG! Now I’m going to have to Netflix it.
I would have shot the guy who put his gun down when OJ came in the room.
I read Isikoff’s story about this today. Two things immediately came to mind after reading article.
1. How does someone like Prouty get into the FBI and CIA - is it solely based on their language skills - or did someone see to it that she got in? 2. Does any of this have to do with what Siebel Edmonds knows?
Not trying to appear speculative in any way - that’s just what immediately came to mind.
If only Isikoff would apply his journalistic skills across the board on all alleged spying in the U.S.
Isikoff is extremely selective about just where he shines his spotlight.
How does someone like Prouty get into the FBI and CIA - or did someone see to it that she got in?
This is my guess.
I have a relative who was BORN here who has relatives in Yemen. For that reason she wasn’t able to work for the FBI.
“2. Does any of this have to do with what Siebel Edmonds knows?”
To futher explain my thinking, Edmonds was hired on as a translator because of her language skills. So if Prouty was hired because of her language skills, how did she move up the FBI and CIA chain so fast? Seems like there has to be more to this story than meets the eye.
I’ll leave this question to all the intelligence professionals that post here.
Hmmm guilt by association. A possible opportunity to smear Edmonds.
Very good Waiting in Texas. I too will be interested in the responses to your questions.
I read about her earlier today and that version didn’t do much to explain WTF happened. Thanks for clarifying things a little.
huuuum, my favorite part of the story is if she didn’t take the plea she could have lost her U.S. citizenship (besides doing hard time in the pen & paying a big fine) lost WHAT citizenship??? She committed fraud to obtain that which she could have lost? Where did these people go to law school? The University of William & Bonzo? They can’t be that inept. She’s not headed to prison & deportation is off the table, guess she gets an extreme makeover & goes on Dancing With The Stars.
Good point about the CIA polygraph. It’s worth noting that Prouty also passed an FBI pre-employment polygraph examination. As I’ve pointed out at AntiPolygraph.org, of the standard questions she would have been asked is something very similar to “Have you deliberately withheld any important information from your application?”
Larry important heads up. All serious enemies of the U.S. need to be held accountable. Always amazing what is ignored or brushed under the rug in the MSM.
The Aipac espionage story sure has been ignored by
the MSM for that matter almost all so called “progressive” blogs .
Rosen/Weismann espionage indictment
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2005/franklin_indictment_04aug2005.htm
http://www.newsfollowup.com/docs/aipac/rosen081406.pdf
The Israeli spies that Fox News reporter Carl Cameron reported about just after 9/11 were sure swept under the rug.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo
2.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci-tkaPrMA4&feature=related
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW-LWadsPx0
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7T4DhDLPrY
This four part series is difficult to track on you tube and the name of the series is often change
http://www.newsfollowup.com/id/docs/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf
Only Muslim enemies count. Get with the program!!
From MSN:
Prouty has agreed to submit to lie detector tests as the CIA assesses the damage.
Well now..call me crazy but if Prouty has already passed those lie detector tests with flying colors in order to get hired.How exactly are more of the same tests going to determine damage to the CIA?
This new lie detector test involves towels and water.
Sorry… couldn’t resist.
Motivation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
Sure do not like this site. But the complete four part series on Israeli spying is here.
http://uk.youtube.com/user/SmokingGunOf911
Let’s remember that Prouty didn’t just pass the pre-employment life-style poly to get a blue CIA badge. The process includes an extensive background check going back at least 15 years or through high school, finances check, police check, interviews with neighbors and friends and a psych interview.
NBC has picked up the story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21796035/
so she was a waitress and shazaamm…..held a top post in Baghdad?
Siebel Edmonds is offering to tell her story and the AIPAC judge has said subpoenas will be issued for Condi Rice and others. any connections there?
Prouty would have been at FBI during Edmonds brief tenure.
so she was a waitress and shazaamm…..held a top post in Baghdad?
Maybe she had dinner with Michael Ladeen’s daughter after they got off work in the Green Zone.
LOL Cee!!
If you go back and read the information on Edmonds brief period at the FBI, what was interesting was how long it took her to get on with all the bureaucratic red tape just to be a part-time translator.
Then along comes Prouty, without even a doubty…..
there’s more to this story.
Andrea Mitchell and Robert Windrem of MSNBC also has a story on this, which says that she had a much larger role than previously has been mentioned by the FBI or CIA
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21796035/
“Current and former intelligence officials tell NBC News that Nada Nadim Prouty had a much bigger role than officials at the FBI and CIA first acknowledged. In fact, Prouty was assigned to the CIA’s most sensitive post, Baghdad, and participated in the debriefings of high-ranking al-Qaida detainees.”
One of my thoughts on this is that this shows that the intelligence agencies are quite desperate for agents that they can put into place in the middle east.
That being said, you have to wonder if there wasn’t more going on than meets the eye. The CIA and FBI would have to have known who her family is, which raises more questions about why she held the positions she held.
Larry, if your guess is correct, that “a source, recruited by either FBI or the CIA, tipped us off that we had a mole”, wouldn’t the next question be, was the mole of any use, to feed intentional mis-information back to whoever is behind her?
It would if you knew this was a mole but her handlers didn’t know you knew. It’s similar that way to the breaking of codes.
You can feed misinformation to put the enemy off track.
You can see what is of specific interest to the enemy by what she’s looking for, pretty much in real time.
It hinges on whether the handlers clue in to your knowledge of her true status.
What I find interesting is the apparent lack of consequences to her, seeing as how she isn’t really innocent here.
But the MSM is assuring us that she’s not a spy.
The questions must be asked. Will we ever truly know the answers? I am having difficulty understanding why this was person given a plea deal and bail while others are given enemy combatant status and held for years without habeas corpus…and worse.
The forensics on this one will be an interseting read. How does someone go from being a waitress to where this person ended up? Must have started with a FBI or CIA agent being served to much sugar in the coffee.
Question: What other methods besides polyies can vet a double agent?
….Question: What other methods besides polyies can vet a double agent?….
Liquor Stores, Food Distributors, state energy departments — to name a few.
Maybe they should have had President Bush “look into her soul” to see if he could trust her?
Sorry to be off topic but ran across this quote related to the earthquake in Northern Chile yesterday…
“President Michelle Bachelet also flew there today, meeting with residents in a debris-strewn Tocopilla street when the strongest aftershock hit. Her bodyguards watched warily as power posts swung around her, but the president remained calm.”
Isn’t amazing to see the compassion she has to mingle with her people instead of just doing a fly over like like a certain NA Pres whose name rhymes with tush did when a unnamed Hurricane which rhymes with Patina devastated part of his country?
True leaders lead accept the responsibilities of leadership, don’t give a shit about staged photo ops and don’t pass the buck to others to help those are afflicted.
Our fearless leaders are best at jumping out of a helicopter to an already staged photo op (like FEMA in Socal fires) kissing a few babies promising the moon but delivering nothing and blaming it on local politicians.
Wish Michelle Bachelet would come here kickass and take names.
Use your open eye
Shades of Wolfowitz’s girlfriend Shaha Riza
I agree with the “more to the story” crowd, and the comparison to Edmonds is on target. Look also what Valerie Plame had to do, so for this person to waltz in like this is extremely unusual.
I haven’t seen a pic yet, but is she a looker? If so, is it possible that she was recruited like the KGB does for hotties to access the pillow talk? Or is she like that MN DOT person gallivanting around the country after the I-35 bridge fell into the Mississippi River. Not a lot of other options, and noe of those are palatable either
Regardless of the prior point, and linking this to the issue of the “Minot-Barksdale six”, exactly how does this institutional incompetence make us safer? When politics becomes more important than professionalism and honesty, mole operations would become easier, since you only have to keep the little rules while you break the big ones.
If it isn’t incompetence, it is treason.
There was a news clip of her leaving a building this morning….on CNN?
They failed to connect the dots….(a political scapegoat comment)
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Question: What do you get when there are so many dots connected that the page turns to all Black? (or what ever color you like) Will some leave the light on for these poor buggers?
Just for fun, I ran the name Nada Nadim Prouty through on online anagram-finder. One result was more fun than I expected: “Mandatory id pun.”
Slate has the “Factual Basis For Guilty Plea”
posted. Last paragraph.
http://www.slate.com/id/2178018/entry/0/fr/rss/
Checking on her current husband, Gordon, Intelius indicates that he’s probably Gordon A. Prouty, current and former places of residence as follow:
ACAMPO, CA
VIENNA, VA
MC LEAN, VA
BETHESDA, MD
STOCKTON, CA
WASHINGTON, DC
APO, AE
SANTA CRUZ, CA
LODI, CA
Leaving California aside, the others have a hint of CIAishness about them.
State Dep’t put the mole in.
Only way she could override the conflicting interest concerns that accompany her clearance…
What was happening in Lebanon in 1989 when she came to the US on a student Visa?
Take a wild guess, I’d say they caught on to her when she searched her own name and that of Chahine and her sister. Since Ames did the same, they are probably watching for that.
> I’d say they caught on to her when she searched her own name and that of Chahine and her sister.
The chronology doesn’t seem right for that:
Sep, 2000: Queried own name, sister’s, Chahine
June 4, 2003: Queried investigation into Hizballah by Detroit FBI office
June, 2003: Moved to CIA
Dec, 2005: FBI becomes aware of “this compromise”
Fall 2006: CIA moves Prouty to “less sensitive position”
Good points, though I would expect that the word search only started an investigation, not provided conclusive proof. That is an awful long time between though…
What I’d really like to know is, how did Nada Nadim Prouty get hired? What qualified her for the jobs?
According to the JAMES GORDON MEEK NY Daily News story
Parlayed? WTF are we talking about?
So let me get this straight; all you really need to qualify for a sensitive job as an FBI special agent and/or CIA operations officer, is some lame ass citizenship paperwork, and a career history in the food service industry.
This is truly good news! I’ve always wanted a Fed job, so I could get in on that robust Fed employee benefits plan. I’m going to have to look into this ASAP.
I had a relative with a well known CIA career. Unfortunately he can’t be a reference, he’s dead; but still, I worked in a restaurant for a while out of high school, so I got that covered. And citizenship is no problem - I have a family history in the DC area going back well before the revolution.
Seriously, I can’t find anything further reported about her resume or job application anywhere. I’m not sure what it means, but it must mean something that this story got out, but no one has been able to leak her career path. Curious.
I recall the Kevin Costner movie No Way Out. The synopsis was that a high powered Senator had accidentally killed his mistress, so to cover this up, his handlers came up with a cover story about a mole in the CIA named Uri. The twist being that Costner’s character really was a double agent, but not the fictitious Uri, and who just happened to be in love with the Senators mistress.
Why bring this up? I’m beginning to suspect that there is a whole lot of “fiction” behind this Prouty story.
Good timeline, Trace.
….his handlers came up with a cover story about a mole in the CIA named Uri….
Oh, very “interesting”. A mole named Uri or “Yury”.
FBI and CIA:
Real “elite” outfits.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Unfortunately 3,000 people died because of these outposts of bumbling and stupidity.
Ames, Hanson, Edward Lee Howard?
See a pattern here?
And how many more that got away.
3,000 people died on 9/11 because Bush couldn’t be bothered to listen to any of the repeated warnings of an impending attack or call a principle’s meeting until 9/4/01.
Too bad Bush was more concerned with: planning a war on Iraq; meeting behind closed doors with big oil to create “national” energy policies favorable to big oil; undermining the transparency of the entire US marketplace [Enron, et al]; spending the budget surplus and bankrupting the Treasury; taking more vacation days than any president in US history in his first year in office–including the entire month of August just days prior to 9/11; appointing convicted criminals to his administration; presiding over the biggest energy crises in US history and refusing to do anything about it…just for starters.
Speaking of 9/11: Bin Laden is still alive!
Are you sure that Bush wasn’t “the man on the Grassy Knoll” in Dallas, 1963?
Did Bush refuse to take custody of Bin Laden?
NO, Clinton did.
Did Bush do nothing after the WTC attack in 1993?
No, Clinton did.
Did Bush do nothing after the attack on the USS COLE in 1999?
NO, Clinton did.
Did Bush pardon convicted Puerto Rican terrorists to buy votes for his wife?
NO, Clinton did.
Bush derangement syndrome;it’s a wonderful thing.
Did Clinton use an authorization to use force as a green light to de-stabilize the middle east and slaughter scores of innocent people far exceeding the actual fighters, with no end in sight.
—
No, W did.
Seeing everything as a nail, because your only tool is a hammer; it’s a wonderful thing.
Hez’b'allah managed to infiltrate us?!
Oh, man, that’s RICH!
They’re a puny little guerrilla outfit mired in the rubble of Baghdad!
And they infiltrated the US! Even if she was recruited AFTER getting entrance and access, this is still ridiculous. The US dollar is worth less than the Canadian dollar and Hez’b'allah has a (wo)man inside the FBI and CIA!
Someone, somewhere, has some really baaad egg on his face for this.
Well, see, it’s like this. Some foreign nationals are granted immigrant work Visas because they have special skills. For example, the Palestinian “Chef” from the West Bank living in Austin, Texas and working at Wendy’s who also, by the way, could not cook rice — his national dish. LOL.
Anon,
While I agree with the gist of your post, I take issue with your refence to HZ as being a puny guerilla outfit. I certainly think the IDF would not refer to them as a puny guerilla outfit. The IDF met a well disciplined fighting force and at the end of the day, the batlefield was not theirs.
And for their grand entrance - the bombing of the US Marine barracks (the French took casualties too)and the US Embassy in Beirut were both particularly deadly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
And while I would never condone the butchery in Lebanon at Sabra and Shatilla, the 1983 US Embassy bombing was devastingly horrific as well.
A total of 63 people were killed in the bombing: 32 Lebanese employees, 17 Americans, and 14 visitors and passersby.[1] Of the American dead, eight worked for the Central Intelligence Agency, including the CIA’s top Middle East analyst and Near East director, Robert Ames, and the entire Middle East contingent of the CIA.[2] An additional 120 or so people were wounded in the bombing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1983_U.S._Embassy_bombing
er rubble of Beirut I meant! Sorry, had Baghdad on the brain.
YBN you have progressed this well, but what if Prouty was recruited in the knowledge she was a spy?
Was she to be used as insurance against Edmonds and another nail in the “towel head’s” coffin. If she was a Hezbolla double agent, or rather a CIA plant (have I got the terminology right?), you would expect to see some bizarre circumstances surrounding her “capture”. Have we seen that?
I would bet a penny to a pound, knowing the devious nature of those who serve, that this is business on schedule & just another day in the office. She was either set up, or was aware she was acting for the CIA.
State put her in to discredit the entire IC.
Negroponte’s promotion accompanies hers?
A Mediterranean shipping magnate’s son as the DNI and she gets promoted across two IC with all kinds of red flags to her background?
How bad does state want to make the IC look?
Nobody gets through that easy without help from the top. A Senior position, obviously not one involved with either of the IC groups at this time or they’d have made certain not to be implicated.
That leaves State or the DNI.
Pelosi gave Hastert glowing praise today for his days as House speaker, from the Gavel podium. If this is anywhere near Edmonds then it’s really all about Hastert. Don’t forget that fact…
Thanks Mr M you came to the rescue again.
Denny left earlier than planned, didn’t he?
“If this is anywhere near Edmonds then it’s really all about Hastert. Don’t forget that fact…”
could you expand on this please Mr. Murder? What about Hastert? thanks
Nevermind - I just looked this up. I had forgotten about Hasterts role. I assume this is part of why he resigned?
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=2386
[...] Pay No Attention to This Spy Scandal, Move Along Filed under: George W. Bush, Lebanon — jr @ 12:12 am Pay No Attention to This Spy Scandal, Move Along [...]
I just want to correct something here. Prouty didn’t “win” US Citizenship. She “gained” it through marriage to an American. The only way an immigrant can “win” the right to US Citizenship is by winning the Greencard Lottery.
Also, there is a high rate of Sham marriage that takes place in the US every year. Many conned American spouses divorce these immigrants and report the information to Immigration. But INS usually doesn’t bother following up on these cases and the immigrant is entitled to remain a permanent resident and eventually apply for citizenship. If the immigrant has FBI, CIA contacts, then INS will look the other way even more. It’s always the unknowing US citizen spouse that gets the raw and expensive end of these deals. Of course, the divorce lawyers love it.
….If the immigrant has FBI, CIA contacts, then INS will look the other way even more. It’s always the unknowing US citizen spouse that gets the raw and expensive end of these deals. Of course, the divorce lawyers love it….
Might also add that in the United States, Marriage, Divorce, and Birth information is a matter of Public Record. Mysteriously, though, some Divorce records have a way of disappearing, in which case, the conned American spouse would have every right to demand that the information be put back into the public record perhaps by contacting an important person.
[...] CIA agent Larry Johnson says: “The CIA and FBI are going to great lengths to try to tamp this story down. But you don’t [...]
With regard to Mr. Prouty, it appears he was and may still be an FSO with Near East/Southwest Asia experience:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/83405.pdf
United States Department of State
October 1999
State Magazine
FOREIGN SERVICE
Transfers
Prouty, Gordon A., Cairo to Islamabad
Question? Why would a US Consul at the American Embassy in Amman, Jordan approve a Visa for a recent accounting graduate to sit for a CPA exam in Billings, Montana when this particular visa applicant could not possibly pass the test because he was totally unfamiliar with the US Tax Code? Really, shouldn’t our civil service reps be more efficient on the job than that? I mean don’t we American citizens pay the salaries of these people?
As I documented in Sibel Edmonds’ Corrupt Boss is STILL the key to National Security, Sibel’s boss, Mike Feghali, engaged in all manner of espionage, including recruiting spies into the translation bureau and making sure that agents in the field didn’t receive translations that were directly relevant to ongoing investigations - including the 9/11 investigation. This has all been confirmed by the Inspector General’s report into Sibel’s case. Nonetheless, Feghali has been promoted and is now, currently, in charge of the entire Arabic translation desk, in charge of 300 translators, many of whom are his family and friends, and some “were openly celebrating the terrorist attacks on September 11.”
Who promoted Feghali, and why? Who are his ‘juice men’?
Why is Congress, and the media, silent on this matter?http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/16/83153/368
“Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die.”
Is this guy, Feghali, an American citizen born on the soil or is he naturalized? If he took an oath of allegiance to the USA, he should be stripped of his US citizenship and deported and I don’t care who he works for!
Vanity Fair Interview with Sibel Edmonds
found at:
http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/sibel_edmonds_interview.htm
Question for all? Do all 300 translators work in Virginia?
FYI I looked at the CIA job search at
https://www.cia.gov/careers/jobs/language-positions/view-jobs/index.html
and with the exception of intern positions for students still in college, all positions require at least a bachelor’s degree. And none list waitressing as pertinent work experience.
So, why is there no reporting about the missing link from waitressing to operations agent? Not even a question?
Did you ever hear of an “Accountant” that writes bad checks? And by the way, would anyone have any idea or could you make an intelligent guess as to which culture it is exactly that condones the most vile immorality and promiscuity? Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi, Saudi, Jordanian, Kurdish, Palestinian?
They have a kids corner on that the site as well…
> all positions require at least a bachelor’s degree.
She has both a bachelor’s and master’s degree:
http://cicentre.com/Documents/DOC_Prouty_Case.html
Bachelor’s degree from Detroit College of Business; came here on a student visa from Lebanon
Master’s degree in Business Administration from Bloomsburg University, PA
interesting but undated, unsourced and unreferenced data mining
> With regard to Mr. Prouty, it appears he was and may still be an FSO with Near East/Southwest Asia experience
According to
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11182007/news/nationalnews/jihad_janes_state_of_bliss_936973.htm
he’s still there:
“Her third hubby, Gordon Prouty, 40, now works for the State Department in Washington, a spokesman confirmed Friday night…
“A Justice Department spokesman, Dean Boyd, refused to comment on Gordon Prouty’s job, or say whether he was under investigation… “
Nada a NOC?
Meditating on cover arrangements just now, I remembered the story Busted illegal alien was great spy, say sources http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/11/16/2007-11-16_busted_illegal_alien_was_great_spy_say_s-1.html
*IF* the report below is correct, the part about passing as a local and blending in certainly suggests the possibility of non-official cover. (I suspect she found it easy “to pose as a native Arab” because that’s what she is.)
“Nada Nadim Prouty, 37, who pleaded guilty Tuesday to fraudulently obtaining U.S. citizenship and snooping on FBI files on Hezbollah, worked in the CIA’s Baghdad station sometime between 2003 and 2006 and had a knack for passing as a local.
“‘She also demonstrated a talent for breaking captured Al Qaeda “high-value targets,’ an intelligence source told the Daily News.
“‘She was not only good at debriefing HVTs [high-value targets], she was able to pose as a native Arab and easily blend in,” said the source.’
“Prouty was a covert CIA operations officer ‘just like Valerie Plame,’ the source added, referring to the spy infamously outed in a 2003 newspaper column.”
Interesting. “A covert officer just like Valerie Plame”.
Can they stoop lower. This is stitch up!