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Political Junkies’ Thursday News & Rants

For junkies only: The Democratic debate is on CNN, beginning at 5PM PT (8PM ET). The debate is in Nevada. Last night, PBS Newshour asked some of the most knowledgeable Nevadans about their concerns — check out the fascinating analysis at “Las Vegas Development Boom Puts Added Strain on Natural Resources” — and how the presidential race might help them get their concerns addressed. Their biggest worry? Competition for water, and a huge brewing battle between the city of Las Vegas with its need to keep growing in order to sustain profitability versus the cattle ranchers who grow alfalfa on naturally arid lands.

Barack Obama, wake up! Actually, it’s I who he has a hard time keeping awake. I know Obama is trying to capture some momentum, but he’s buying into the Republican meme on the supposed Social Security crisis to do so. There are warnings galore out there for Obama to STOP it. Now. Here are two of the better warnings:

WARNING REGARDING TIMMY RUSSERT: He thinks he’s THE expert on Social Security. And he loves to ask hard questions reflecting I-am-the-most-expert-expert-ever-on-Social-Security in the presidential debates. Thing is, Timmy doesn’t know squat. The Daily Howler laid it out on Sept. 28 — and the Daily Howler also slaps Obama and Edwards silly for their FALSE comments about Social Security:

How inept is our multimillionaire press corps? Let’s start with Russert’s introduction of this topic at Wednesday’s debate:

RUSSERT (9/26/07): And we’re back at Dartmouth College talking to the Democrats. I want to talk about Social Security and Medicare.

The chairman of the Federal Reserve, the head of the Government Accountability Office, have both said that the number of people in America on Social Security and Medicare is going to double in the next 20 years—there are now 40 million; it’s going to go to 80 million—and that if nothing is done, we’ll have to cut benefits in half or double the taxes. That is their testimony.

Senator Biden, in order to prevent that, would you be willing to consider certain steps? For example, back in 1983, Ronald Reagan and Tip O’Neill, Patrick Moynihan and Bob Dole got together and changed the retirement age. It’s going to be going up to 67 in a gradual increase.

Right now, you pay tax for Social Security on your first $97,500 worth of income. Why not tax the entire income of every American? And if you do that, you’ll guarantee the solvency of Social Security farther than the eye can see.

“I want to talk about Social Security and Medicare,” Russert said at the start of this segment. And then, just like that, for whatever reason, he switched his field to a (largely bungled) discussion of Social Security only. The absurdity of this approach should be obvious; everyone agrees that the real problem with future entitlements concerns the costs of Medicare, not of Social Security. Indeed, the former head of the federal reserve had said this to Russert just three days before the self-impressed burgher led Wednesday evening’s debate. On Sunday morning’s Meet the Press, Alan Greenspan laid out the shape of the entitlement problem, as even the Greenspans now limn it:

RUSSERT (9/23/07): Do you believe either political party has stepped up to the crisis we face with Social Security and Medicare in the coming years?

GREENSPAN: I do not.

RUSSERT: How big a crisis will that be?

GREENSPAN: Social Security is not a big crisis. We are approximately 2 percent points of payroll short over the very long run. It’s a significant closing of the gap, but it’s doable, and doable in any number of ways.

Medicare is a wholly different issue… We’re going to double the size of the retired population, and by all of the analysis I go through in the book, it’s very evident to me that we are not able to actually deliver on the Medicare we are promising…

[WORDPRESS SOFTWARE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND NESTED BLOCKQUOTES -- THE FOLLOWING IS STILL A QUOTE FROM THE DAILY HOWLER.] The problem lies with Medicare, Greenspan said, voicing an utterly standard analysis. But for whatever reason, Russert quickly turned Wednesday’s segment into a discussion of Social Security. He blathered ahead with his typically useless data about the number of future recipients—and about the typical age of death back in the mid-1930s. None of these facts are even slightly relevant to a real discussion of Social Security, as pundits have made clear many times, especially during 2005, when Bush’s privatization plan hit the deck. (Duh. These useless facts are already part of the future funding formulas!) But Russert rolled out his standard old cant—and drove the discussion away from Medicare, the actual source of future problems. Why did he do this? We have no idea; there seems to be no partisan reason. But we’ll offer a suggestion: Inevitably, this is the type of self-impressed, bungled work a middle-class democracy will get—if its lets its major news orgs be run by a mogul elite.

You might call this Nantucket-style journalism. The deeply self-impressed Burgher Russert provides such work in spades.

Because yes, Russert has done this forever. Back in January 2000, he monopolized a Republican debate with his own set of facts about Social Security, blathering on until Alan Keyes heroically told him to shut his big yap. (See THE DAILY HOWLER, 12/8/04, with a link to real-time reporting.) That summer, he and Joe Klein staged a savage and stupid discussion, trashing Candidate Gore in the strongest terms because he wouldn’t go along with Bush’s privatization (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 6/7/07). In such discussions down through the years, Russert has sometimes been overblown and inept; often, he has been openly partisan. Inevitably, he has adopted the positions favored by Republicans, and by upper-class journalistic elites. (By general acknowledgment, wealthy media elites had come to favor privatization by the time of Campaign 2000.)

But Russert thoroughly bungled this discussion Wednesday night; indeed, he had created a pointless discussion as soon as he turned a segment about “Social Security and Medicare” into a discussion of Social Security alone. Beyond that, a thoroughly jumbled discussion ensued—so jumbled that it was basically useless even as a debate about SS alone. Basic question: How many viewers knew what the candidates meant when they kept talking, without explanation, about “raising the cap” and “lifting the ceiling?” Very, very few, we would guess. And Russert made no attempt to clarify any of this as the long discussion unfolded. He was too busy looking for ways to spring his “gotchas,” to recite his irrelevant data.

Honesty forces us to note that some of the candidates were quite hopeless too. Most hopelessly, here is Obama, joining Russert in reciting a piece of pure RNC cant:

OBAMA (9/23/07): My personal view is that lifting the cap is much preferable than the other options that are available. But what’s critical is to recognize that there is a potential problem.

As I travel around Iowa and New Hampshire I meet young people who don’t think Social Security is going to be there for them. They don’t believe it’s going to be there for them.

And I think it’s important for us, in addition to getting our fiscal house in order, to acknowledge as Democrats that there may be a problem that we’ve got to take on.

There are no words for how awful that was. For the most part, young people “don’t think Social Security is going to be there for them” because they’ve been deceived, for year after year, by an army of pseudo-conservative dissemblers who are given free rein by our sad, hapless press corps. But there was Obama reinforcing this framework—and Edwards quickly jumped in to support what Obama had said. (Three cheers for Richardson, who noted the very conservative growth estimates which produce Social Security’s small projected shortfalls.)

Greenspan explained it to Russert on Sunday. Social Security is easy to solve; Medicare is the real future problem. But so what? Russert has become a pure buffoon in the years since he was air-lifted off to Nantucket. He now presents the eternal image of the pompous, uninformed, self-righteous burgher. He knows that Dems should be more godly. And he knows what to pay for a haircut.

After the debate, another store-bought Nantucket denizen loudly asked college kids in his audience if they thought they’d ever get SS. But then, Chris Matthews is a long-standing numbskull too—and he pummeled Clinton in his post-debate hour, as he has done to Major Dems ever since his patron, Jack Welch, allowed him to become a “Lost Boy of the Sconset.” What does a middle-class democracy get when it hands control of its public discussion to a bunch of corporate-picked multimillionaires? Russert’s performance was gruesome this Wednesday—and Matthews was there with Howard Fineman to fawn to this great island man.

WE DON’T KNOW IF THIS IS ACCURATE: For the record, we don’t know who said this, or when:

RUSSERT: The chairman of the Federal Reserve, the head of the Government Accountability Office, have both said that the number of people in America on Social Security and Medicare is going to double in the next 20 years—there are now 40 million; it’s going to go to 80 million—and that if nothing is done, we’ll have to cut benefits in half or double the taxes. That is their testimony.

Does Russert refer to Bernanke and Walker? We can’t find where they made the statements Russert gloomily paraphrases. But surely, no one has said such a thing about the fate of SS alone. Russert staged a hopeless discussion. But how about an occasional cite when we’re offered such high-powered “testimony?”

[FOR SOME REASON, WORDPRESS DOESN'T GET DOUBLE-BLOCKQUOTES SO LET ME TELL YOU THAT THE ABOVE, starting with the link to the Daily Howler is all from that blog.]

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Media Matters has more on Russert’s expertise: “Russert misrepresented debate exchanges on Social Security to accuse Clinton of having ‘one public position and one private position’.”

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LAST BUT NOT LEAST, SOME HUMOR FOR THE JUNKIES: Other Lisa’s mom Carol is on our little mailing list, and sends along the best quotes from the newsletter e-mailed by the San Diego Democrats. These Rudy Giuliani quotes are priceless:

“Today’s comments come from a guy — Rudy Giuliani — who said Dick Cheney, the architect of Bush’s failed policy in Iraq, was a great choice for vice president and who recommended the now discredited Bernie Kerik to be Secretary of Homeland Security. Once again, Rudy has demonstrated his complete lack of knowledge of U.S. foreign policy.” — Senator Joe Biden responds to Guilaini’s assertion that Senator BIden didn’t have any foreign policy experience.11.02.07

Giuliani is a dangerous man. George Bush with brains. Dick Cheney with better aim. Consider yourself warned. — Michael Tomasky in the Guardian 11.05.07

“America deserved” 9/11 for embracing secularism, gay rights and sundry other evils .. — Giuliani-backer Pat Robertson agreeing with Jerry Falwell. Video

That same newsletter also has these gems:

The Republicans are playing Russian roulette with America’s future with their bigoted anti-Muslim rhetoric. Muslims may constitute as much as a third of humankind by 2050, forming a vast market and a crucial labor pool. They will be sitting on the lion’s share of the world’s energy resources. The United States will increasingly have to compete with emerging rivals such as China and India for access to those Muslim resources and markets, and if its elites go on denigrating Muslims, America will be at a profound disadvantage during the next century. — Juan Cole 11.01.07

But, Meredith, part of the challenge the news media has had in covering this story is the old habit of taking the on the one hand, on the other hand approach. There are still people who believe that the Earth is flat, but when you’re reporting on a story like the one you’re covering today, where you have people all around the world, you don’t take — you don’t search out for someone who still believes the Earth is flat and give them equal time. — Al Gore, responding to Meredith Viera who brought up climate skeptic Joh Christy. 11.05.07

“If you lived in Iraq and had lived under a tyranny, you’d be saying: God, I love freedom, because that’s what’s happened.” – Bush at a joint press conference with French President Nicholas Sarkozy. 11.08.07

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Comment by Leslie | 2007-11-15 20:51:27

Does anyone still seriously believe that an invading and occupying army [us] could free Iraq?

 

Comment by hoosierhoops | 2007-11-15 21:05:46

hurray!! Nice to see your post leslie..
Hope all is well..
I’m watching the debate..back soon with my thoughts..

Comment by Leslie | 2007-11-15 21:28:52

Hi Hoopster! :)
I’ve been distracted with personal stuff. How are you?

It’s getting cold in NYC. Brrrrr. I can’t watch the debates….is it good tonight?

Comment by hoosierhoops | 2007-11-15 22:22:04

I think..and the CNN team is saying this also..
Hillary did really good tonight..
Wonder what the rags say in the morning..

 

Comment by hoosierhoops | 2007-11-15 22:23:42

Hi Leslie..Miss your posting here.
Yes it is cold..
Chat with you soon..great debate tonight!

 
 
 

Comment by Bill Keyes | 2007-11-15 21:12:06

Unfortunately Leslie, a majority of Americans including the traitorous Democratic led Congress still believe the Bush bullshit that if you just give us a little more time say until 2017 and with many more billions spent and thousands dead, surges, urges, or purges, take you pick, Iraq will finally be free.

But when that day comes and all the Bushites finally take off their rose colored glasses and step out of the Green Zone to see the free Iraq there will be nothing except a vast wasteland reminiscent of the deserts portrayed in the old 1930’s foreign legion movies.

 

Comment by hoosierhoops | 2007-11-15 21:23:19

Hillary
I’m not playing the gender card
I’m playing the winning card

you go girl!!

 

Comment by hoosierhoops | 2007-11-15 21:31:35

Obama and Edwards are doing really well..IMHO

 

Comment by hoosierhoops | 2007-11-15 21:40:11

Gov. Richardson is doing great talking about vet health care..
Dennis K.is ripping it up..
Gawd I’d take anyone over on the stage over Bush..
Very very good debate tonight!

 

Comment by Bill Keyes | 2007-11-15 22:17:02

It may be all smiles now, but if they don’t all join behind the front runner after the primaries, he or she will be eaten alive by the Repug slime machine.

Comment by hoosierhoops | 2007-11-15 22:29:11

Bill
The GOP hasn’t a prayer this election…
And just because we don’t have a 2/3rd majority in Congress to overturn Bush doesn’t make them traitors. What exactly are the dems supposed to do?
Lay down in Dupont circle?
We will change america and i toast you sir for your passion.

Comment by Bill Keyes | 2007-11-15 23:12:21

I hope you are right hoops as I am mostly are very optimistic person.

I guess if I believed these were ordinary political times with a lame duck incumbent president (I refuse to capitalize president) and control of
Congress by the Democrats you are right the Republicans wouldn’t have a chance.

But I just don’t believe these are “ordinary political times”

You said the Republicans don’t have a chance”

Ok if that is the case then the Democrats are a shoo in. Right?

So if they are, then why is the Democratically controlled Congress so timid? What are they afraid of?

Am I to believe that even with their shoo in potential they still think they can’t rock the boat by challenging the Bush/Cheney regime on getting us the hell out of Iraq, much less all the other things they have done.

I heard David Gergen on CNN after the debate say something about the surge working because casualties were down and then this profound statement that went something like this

“Iraq is now off the front pages and Iran is on them”

Don’t these people see the forest for the trees? That’s exactly what Bush/Cheney want. Its the old trick to create a diversion away from a problem so you don’t have to deal with it.

Aren’t you amazed how little attention the War in Iraq has gotten in the last six weeks or so. It all began with the farcical presentation to Congress on Sept 15 by the dynamic Praetus/Crocker team.

This is how these people work, not only did they use every trick in the book to win in 2000,and after that they wrote a new book and threw away the old one.

That is the problem with the Democrats, they are still playing with the old book.

Old book==certain set of rules

New book==Only one rule…win at all costs.

If you don’t fight fire with fire you get burned and that is why unless the Democrats come out with a strong well coordinated campaign that puts the Republicans on the defensive as soon as possible after the primaries and carry it all the way through the convention up till election day we are all going to get burned.

One last thought..

Have you heard any Democratic presidential candidate anything about what they would do to investigate and punish those criminals who are currently in office once they are out of office?

Or will they just let Bush pardon everyone he can think of between the election and that cold day in January 2009?

Would any of them call for a new investigation into the failures of the Bush administration to protect us from what happened on 9/11?

What do you think?

 
 
 

Comment by 1Watt | 2007-11-15 22:30:05

I’m a hermit, not gonna get too excited til next Oct..

But the thing that really needs to be broadcast is this meme:

http://www.talkorigins.org/

The right wing will lie, cheat, steal, or do anything else that will further their agenda. They do not give a fuk about you or me. Watch Newsweak for the Marcos/Rove warfare, Rove will stay true to the cause, Kos will kick his butt with truth (facts) but the dropouts @ NewCorps (1984) will stay true to the Neocon cause. This is the true war for Eurasia.

 

Comment by 1Watt | 2007-11-15 22:38:24

crap, I popped in to rant about the 340K barrels of oil the military is burning every day, and the 70K that the igit in chief is pumping into the ground in LA.

 

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2007-11-15 22:40:02

I’ll tell you one thing: I would take ANY of them as president before I’d ever cede the presidency to a Republican. As I’ve said before, I will support the Democratic candidate. One main reason? The entire “tone” of this debate is so entirely different from the saber-rattling and machismo of the Republican debates. They all give me hope. Great hope.

 

Comment by Thinker | 2007-11-16 00:01:52

Susan, I am reluctant to add to a thread using the word addicts after my lampooning the nose antics, nay nose olympics, of certain high society members in recent contributions.

You touched on something indirectly, something most people take for granted. But something that is one of the root problems of social justice. This is the pension. You are now officially old at 67, officially a child until you are 18. This is the start and the end of a great chunk of society’s issues. Before I tackle “ageism”, I noticed a sad news item in the small town we call Australia. Well actually, it ain’t that small and this was an event that happened in South Australia.

It concerned the murder of a family. Wait….not by a derranged axe weilding random murderer. It was done by the cute 14 year old daughter, who had been seeing her 24 year old boy friend since she was 12. Most unusual. No attempt to play the “ringing in the sheaths” pedo card. No little child abused by sick adult by the corporate media. Why, because apparently the murder of her parents and her 10 year old brother was extremely bloody and 80% her doing (although her boyfriend aided and abetted). In this case the media, were looking to create an adult out of this “child”, as they felt 10 years behind bars was understating justice. This was heighted by the wissened old hack of a Justice who uttered words to the effect “Her parents were good folks who tried to stop their daughter seeing an inappropiate partner”. Judge, you weren’t paying attention. They paid the ultimate price for dictating the law to someone who wasn’t prepared to follow it. I don’t call that a victory, a resolve, a solution. I call that disaster management. I call that a logical and reasonable outcome of absolute oppression. Not said in any way as a celebration of murder, but as a recognition of how chains of events lead to outcomes. In no circumstances is murder an acceptable outcome. But I both blame the perpetrator and the victim as they are jointly responsible for chains of events.

Society looks at the manifestation, possibly punishes the perpetrator (or anyone who’ll do) and wonders why the problem keeps coming back. The under 18 rule works for many, many people, possibly the majority (although I suspect there’s alot of grudging in the 14-18 band), but it does not work for everybody. Likewise at the other end of the scale, what is old? can I reasonably say someone that is 52 who says they feel old, who in their own opinion is old, isn’t old? Therefore if a social charter is offered to the elderly, why shouldn’t a support mechanism be available for 52 year olds who consider themselves aged.

Conversely the great pianist, Sviatoslav Richter set a punnishing perforance schedule until his death ( into his 80’s). He never retired. Why not set that as the new standard? Accountants standards haven’t, don’t and will never work in defining a fair society and the sooner the polititions on both sides of the house acknowlege this and get on with prodiving a decent new world order, then and only then will we be set for Christendom.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2007-11-16 00:47:42

What is this with you and pedophilia? I find the constant theme distressing.

 
 

Comment by ybnormal | 2007-11-16 10:26:07

testing worpress understanding nested quotes

nested quote - looks OK in preview

un-nested - see how it looks in post

back out of the quote

copied/ pasted the text of the blockquote embedded html command, instead of using the button

Let’s see what happen’s after adding comment

Comment by ybnormal | 2007-11-16 10:27:46

Susan, you’re right; not the first/only example of preview mis-leading what it will really look like

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2007-11-16 15:51:39

THANKS for checking it out.

I asked Moses about it once and don’t recall that he found out what’s up with that. Will bug him again. He knows a lot of the people in the WordPress world, and hopefully can find out. That’s a pretty necessary feature — imho — for a blog writer to be able to do. And it must make it confusing for readers.

If I weren’t lazy, I could go outside the quote after that happens and make up a sentence — something blah blah blah — to reintroduce the reader to the quoted material. But it’s irritating I’d have to do that.

 
 
 

Comment by ybnormal | 2007-11-16 10:47:54

A Rant on Congress in general.

They all love to point fingers over someone else’s sneaking in ammendments and someone else’s pork; but none look in the mirror. Meanwhile, according to Conyers, most of them don’t read most of what they pass because they don’t have time.

Easy to fix; where’s the rules committees on this? Require change notification, and require a revision history. Then require a continuously updated index of the whole bill.

This is not that difficult. Technical manuals do it all the time.

 

Comment by mudkitty | 2007-11-16 11:02:17

A law against amendments to a single bill should be passed. One bill at a time.

 

Comment by Thinker | 2007-11-19 20:55:07

Susan. My entire purpose is to dismantle prejudice and expose truth. In doing so, both “good” and “bad” people will be challenged.

If you find the stuff I write here difficult to read, my to be published book will be your worst nightmare and your best dream. Everything written has been constructed to challenge self interest in order to promote selflessness. The more you evaluate selflessness, the more you realise how selfish we all are.

If you go beating up on someone or some group on the basis of your values (not theirs), all you will achieve is the opportunity for another war. Therefore I expose moral sobriety by questioning the judgements of those that support and pioneer that morality. In questioning judgements, I present an alternative truth. At present the Bush administration has presented a case for a war on abnormalcy in its attack on a devilish tyrant, Saddam Hussein. Iraq has been a cult desperate to be rescued. I feel the debate (or lack of) on paedahilia is a brilliant analogy for the subferfuge used in the anciliary arguments in everything done in the interests of normalcy.

 

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