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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73638</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More of Clintons efforts to support diplomacy with Iran. (cough)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of Clintons efforts to support diplomacy with Iran. (cough)</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73633</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of hogwash Clinton just spewed at the NPR Presidential debate.  Clinton said that she has been pushing for diplomacy with Iran for two years.

I guess if you call &quot;diplomacy&quot; pushing for sanctions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903220.html

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/01/18/news/14290.shtml
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/clinton_bla
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of hogwash Clinton just spewed at the NPR Presidential debate.  Clinton said that she has been pushing for diplomacy with Iran for two years.</p>
<p>I guess if you call &#8220;diplomacy&#8221; pushing for sanctions.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903220.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903220.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/01/18/news/14290.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/01/18/news/14290.shtml</a><br />
<a href="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/clinton_bla" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/clinton_bla</a><br />
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73617</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edwards &quot;we have a real difference here.  There is only one candidate on this stage who voted for the Kyl Liebermann amendment&quot;

Clinton trying to spin that she has been pushing for diplomacy with Iran for two years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903220
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Robert Siegel asked the question about our unbridled support of Israel
  John Edwards completely avoided his direct question.  So disappointed in Edwards response.
  Obama not answering the question about Israel either.
  Dodd not answering the question.  Getting closer.&quot;where has this issue been in the Bush administration&quot;  O.K. Dodd &quot; We have to be sure to be fair with the concerns that Israel has over security issues, and the legitimate need for a strong and independent Palestinian state.

 Kucinich &#039;we need to reach out to Muslim nations&quot;.
 SIEGEL DOES NOT POSE THIS QUESTION TO CLINTON</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edwards &#8220;we have a real difference here.  There is only one candidate on this stage who voted for the Kyl Liebermann amendment&#8221;</p>
<p>Clinton trying to spin that she has been pushing for diplomacy with Iran for two years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903220" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/19/AR2006011903220</a><br />
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<p>Robert Siegel asked the question about our unbridled support of Israel<br />
  John Edwards completely avoided his direct question.  So disappointed in Edwards response.<br />
  Obama not answering the question about Israel either.<br />
  Dodd not answering the question.  Getting closer.&#8221;where has this issue been in the Bush administration&#8221;  O.K. Dodd &#8221; We have to be sure to be fair with the concerns that Israel has over security issues, and the legitimate need for a strong and independent Palestinian state.</p>
<p> Kucinich &#8216;we need to reach out to Muslim nations&#8221;.<br />
 SIEGEL DOES NOT POSE THIS QUESTION TO CLINTON</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73613</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPR presidential debate

Dodd clarifying that Biden, Dodd, Hagel and others who voted against the amendment.

Clinton squirming about her vote for the Kyl Liebermann amendment.  Clinton spinning &quot;the designation of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist is a stick&quot;

Come on Hillary you can only spin this vote so far before you start looking foolish

Edwards &quot;designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist is diplomacy&quot;?

Clinton &quot;having designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has had results&quot;

Gravel &quot;there is no evidence to back up what is being said about Iran.&quot;  Wow Gravel had the balls to bring up Israel.  He had the balls to question why it is not ok for Iran to support Hezbollah and Hamas, they were elected by the Lebanese and Palestinian people.

Gravel stepped out of the box here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPR presidential debate</p>
<p>Dodd clarifying that Biden, Dodd, Hagel and others who voted against the amendment.</p>
<p>Clinton squirming about her vote for the Kyl Liebermann amendment.  Clinton spinning &#8220;the designation of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist is a stick&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on Hillary you can only spin this vote so far before you start looking foolish</p>
<p>Edwards &#8220;designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist is diplomacy&#8221;?</p>
<p>Clinton &#8220;having designating the Iranian Revolutionary Guard has had results&#8221;</p>
<p>Gravel &#8220;there is no evidence to back up what is being said about Iran.&#8221;  Wow Gravel had the balls to bring up Israel.  He had the balls to question why it is not ok for Iran to support Hezbollah and Hamas, they were elected by the Lebanese and Palestinian people.</p>
<p>Gravel stepped out of the box here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73600</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NPR Presidential debate.  Michelle Norris, Steve Inskeep, and Robert Siegel are the moderators.

They have just announced that there are just three topics.   1. Iran and the lessons of Iraq
          2. Relationship with China
          3. Immigration

Clinton speaking about Iran and the NIE report. Clinton claiming that she has been pushing for diplomacy with Iran.  What a bunch of hogwash Hillary

Mike Gravel just said the Bush administration has just been drop kicked by the NIE

Obama &quot;Iran continues to be a threat to some of its neighbors( Obama sucking up to the I-lobby)  

Dodd &quot;16 agencies that have drawn this conclusion. I have been pushing for diplomacy along with many others.  We can not do this alone&quot;.
Dodd hits the nail on the head

Biden &quot;in 2003 Iran stopped their program, you can not trust this administration, they have lied.  Iran is not a nuclear threat to the United States.&quot;


Edwards   I believe that this administration has been marching towards Iran for a long time

The congress had an important role in stopping the Bush administrations march to war with Iran.  The Kyl Liebermann did not take that role seriously


Kucinich &quot;no evidence about Iraq, no evidence to prove that Iran has a nuclear weapons program.  Bush was able to convince some of my collegues to


Inskeep asks Hillary about her Kyl Liebermann amendment yes vote.

Hillary goes onto say that the Iranian Revolutionary guard was a terrorist.

Inskeep &#039;are the Iranian Revolutionary Guard proliferators of Nuclear weapons

Edwards &quot;Clinton and I have a strong disagreement with this issue.  Iran is a serious issue.  Very important to stand up.  Bush and Cheney declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, and proliferaters of Nuclear weapons&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NPR Presidential debate.  Michelle Norris, Steve Inskeep, and Robert Siegel are the moderators.</p>
<p>They have just announced that there are just three topics.   1. Iran and the lessons of Iraq<br />
          2. Relationship with China<br />
          3. Immigration</p>
<p>Clinton speaking about Iran and the NIE report. Clinton claiming that she has been pushing for diplomacy with Iran.  What a bunch of hogwash Hillary</p>
<p>Mike Gravel just said the Bush administration has just been drop kicked by the NIE</p>
<p>Obama &#8220;Iran continues to be a threat to some of its neighbors( Obama sucking up to the I-lobby)  </p>
<p>Dodd &#8220;16 agencies that have drawn this conclusion. I have been pushing for diplomacy along with many others.  We can not do this alone&#8221;.<br />
Dodd hits the nail on the head</p>
<p>Biden &#8220;in 2003 Iran stopped their program, you can not trust this administration, they have lied.  Iran is not a nuclear threat to the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>Edwards   I believe that this administration has been marching towards Iran for a long time</p>
<p>The congress had an important role in stopping the Bush administrations march to war with Iran.  The Kyl Liebermann did not take that role seriously</p>
<p>Kucinich &#8220;no evidence about Iraq, no evidence to prove that Iran has a nuclear weapons program.  Bush was able to convince some of my collegues to</p>
<p>Inskeep asks Hillary about her Kyl Liebermann amendment yes vote.</p>
<p>Hillary goes onto say that the Iranian Revolutionary guard was a terrorist.</p>
<p>Inskeep &#8216;are the Iranian Revolutionary Guard proliferators of Nuclear weapons</p>
<p>Edwards &#8220;Clinton and I have a strong disagreement with this issue.  Iran is a serious issue.  Very important to stand up.  Bush and Cheney declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, and proliferaters of Nuclear weapons&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73530</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this one out &quot;Blame the Blogs&quot;

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/04/david-gregory
-plays-blame-the-blogs/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this one out &#8220;Blame the Blogs&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/04/david-gregory" rel="nofollow">http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/04/david-gregory</a><br />
-plays-blame-the-blogs/</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73103</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolfie is back
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/12/wolfies-back.html?ci
d=92271352#comment-92271352</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolfie is back<br />
<a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/12/wolfies-back.html?ci" rel="nofollow">http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/12/wolfies-back.html?ci</a><br />
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73081</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heating up
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heating up<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73080</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jena 6 news
http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/_Jena_Six_teen_pleads_guilty
_to_bat_12032007.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jena 6 news<br />
<a href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/_Jena_Six_teen_pleads_guilty" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/_Jena_Six_teen_pleads_guilty</a><br />
_to_bat_12032007.html</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73060</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Why does the USofA need to be a super-power?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

That has been my question for years. In fact, it is my view that the entire world, including the USA itself, would be better off if the US gets taken down a peg or three and has to figure out how to behave like a normal country. But I always get lambasted when I suggest something like that, so I will now put on my hard hat in preparation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>Why does the USofA need to be a super-power?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>That has been my question for years. In fact, it is my view that the entire world, including the USA itself, would be better off if the US gets taken down a peg or three and has to figure out how to behave like a normal country. But I always get lambasted when I suggest something like that, so I will now put on my hard hat in preparation.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73057</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about infrastructure? What do they care about infrastructure? GHW Bush systematically took out enormous swaths of Iraq&#039;s infrastructure that was vital to civilian life, including transportation, power, fuel, water purification and delivery, and he even bombed sewage treatment plants. Bill Clinton attacked Iraq&#039;s infrastructure. GW Bush pretty well finished that job, systematically dismantling virtually all the civil and social structures whether by bombs or by Bremer&#039;s decrees.

Starting in the &#039;90&#039;s the Israelis systematically bombed into oblivion the physical, civil, social and cultural infrastructure so painfully built by the Palestinian authority - bombed it all to rubble, and then blamed the Palestinians for their inability to hold things together.

They don&#039;t care. They will destroy whatever they want to destroy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about infrastructure? What do they care about infrastructure? GHW Bush systematically took out enormous swaths of Iraq&#8217;s infrastructure that was vital to civilian life, including transportation, power, fuel, water purification and delivery, and he even bombed sewage treatment plants. Bill Clinton attacked Iraq&#8217;s infrastructure. GW Bush pretty well finished that job, systematically dismantling virtually all the civil and social structures whether by bombs or by Bremer&#8217;s decrees.</p>
<p>Starting in the &#8217;90&#8217;s the Israelis systematically bombed into oblivion the physical, civil, social and cultural infrastructure so painfully built by the Palestinian authority &#8211; bombed it all to rubble, and then blamed the Palestinians for their inability to hold things together.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t care. They will destroy whatever they want to destroy.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-73030</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that case, sure. I have no doubt that the propaganda machine would spin out some kind of lies 1) creating fear of Hamas, Hezbullah, etc., and/or 2) try to blame Hamas, Hezbullah, etc. for whatever they could.

And just as the nonsense about Saddam being best pals with bin Laden, and about Iran being a supporter of Al Qa`eda (both of which are ludicrous claims), it would fly in the face of reality.

But we know from experience that would not matter, since the American media are - wittingly or unwittingly - part of the propaganda machine, and the American people remain incurably gullible and ever responsive to their government&#039;s fear and hate mongering.

What a tragedy it all is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that case, sure. I have no doubt that the propaganda machine would spin out some kind of lies 1) creating fear of Hamas, Hezbullah, etc., and/or 2) try to blame Hamas, Hezbullah, etc. for whatever they could.</p>
<p>And just as the nonsense about Saddam being best pals with bin Laden, and about Iran being a supporter of Al Qa`eda (both of which are ludicrous claims), it would fly in the face of reality.</p>
<p>But we know from experience that would not matter, since the American media are &#8211; wittingly or unwittingly &#8211; part of the propaganda machine, and the American people remain incurably gullible and ever responsive to their government&#8217;s fear and hate mongering.</p>
<p>What a tragedy it all is.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/02/pushing-for-a-bloody-trifecta-open-thread/#comment-72946</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;“&lt;b&gt;I suspect&lt;/b&gt; that it was a plant for processing plutonium, namely, a factory for assembling the bomb,” he said. “&lt;b&gt;I think&lt;/b&gt; the DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] transferred to Syria weapons-grade plutonium in raw form, that is nuggets of easily transported metal in protective cans. &lt;b&gt;I think&lt;/b&gt; the shaping and casting of the plutonium was supposed to be in Syria.”&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>“<b>I suspect</b> that it was a plant for processing plutonium, namely, a factory for assembling the bomb,” he said. “<b>I think</b> the DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] transferred to Syria weapons-grade plutonium in raw form, that is nuggets of easily transported metal in protective cans. <b>I think</b> the shaping and casting of the plutonium was supposed to be in Syria.”</i></p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you. I was considering the US propaganda machine...I am no expert on anything; Hamas by any means and would defer...but we have been contunually educated by info based on lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. I was considering the US propaganda machine&#8230;I am no expert on anything; Hamas by any means and would defer&#8230;but we have been contunually educated by info based on lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s NOT fishy about it?!</description>
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