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		<title>By: Brutality Is a Feature, Not a Bug &#171; Just Above Sunset</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-78320</link>
		<dc:creator>Brutality Is a Feature, Not a Bug &#171; Just Above Sunset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the CIA, now out of there, Larry Johnson, makes the whole thing about destroying the damning tapes really interesting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mudkitty</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77893</link>
		<dc:creator>mudkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ear rock.  Etc.</description>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77881</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Maybe CIA wants these contractors exposed? Just supposin&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

There is public testimony that &quot;contractors&quot; were used in the Abu Grab interegations. I would be intreseted in knowing what the CIA rank and file thinks of these &quot;contractors&quot;. Mr.Murder made the point that former CIA &quot;green badgers&quot; are being offered some big$ to &quot;consult&quot;, but I think there is a distinction to be made between these people and and use of private third parties by the CIA or DOD to get around certian legal requirements. Does a dog have fleas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Maybe CIA wants these contractors exposed? Just supposin&#8221;</em></p>
<p>There is public testimony that &#8220;contractors&#8221; were used in the Abu Grab interegations. I would be intreseted in knowing what the CIA rank and file thinks of these &#8220;contractors&#8221;. Mr.Murder made the point that former CIA &#8220;green badgers&#8221; are being offered some big$ to &#8220;consult&#8221;, but I think there is a distinction to be made between these people and and use of private third parties by the CIA or DOD to get around certian legal requirements. Does a dog have fleas?</p>
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		<title>By: Make Them Accountable / Media</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77859</link>
		<dc:creator>Make Them Accountable / Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Torture Tapes (by Larry Johnson at No Quarter) Let’s be clear why these were destroyed–the chief of the Operations Division, Jose Rodriguez, understood that this was video evidence of torture. It was not the exposure of clandestine identities that had him fretting. It was the fear that CIA officers and contractors could be standing before a tribunal in the Hague trying to explain why the images of torture were not torture. Then there is the potential embarrassment from showing that these extreme interrogation measures did not produce any intelligence of significance. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Torture Tapes (by Larry Johnson at No Quarter) Let’s be clear why these were destroyed–the chief of the Operations Division, Jose Rodriguez, understood that this was video evidence of torture. It was not the exposure of clandestine identities that had him fretting. It was the fear that CIA officers and contractors could be standing before a tribunal in the Hague trying to explain why the images of torture were not torture. Then there is the potential embarrassment from showing that these extreme interrogation measures did not produce any intelligence of significance. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Buck Naked Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77666</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck Naked Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 09:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The CIA Scandal:  Elements ...&lt;/strong&gt;

Posted by Damozel (photo by Martina*) &#124; To quote The BooMan Tribune, this scandal really looks like it might become the BIG ONE for the Bush Administration. The following note discusses some of the commentary that particularly struck me as I worked my ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The CIA Scandal:  Elements &#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Posted by Damozel (photo by Martina*) | To quote The BooMan Tribune, this scandal really looks like it might become the BIG ONE for the Bush Administration. The following note discusses some of the commentary that particularly struck me as I worked my &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Teaeopy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77405</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaeopy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t be certain that the audio-video recordings were not destroyed. I can&#039;t be certain that the original or a copy or copies was/were not kept in the personal custody of one or more persons, but that seems unlikely given the extremely sensitive nature of the interrogations and due to security protocols that must have applied.

The recordings of the sessions could be in the possession of the CIA or a cooperating agency and yet be unrecognizable to even experts looking for them, given today&#039;s digital tools and human creativity. It will be important for Congressional committees and other investigators (law enforcement?) to ask the right questions. There should be logs documenting what was done, whatever it was.

It should be possible to investigate the reported destruction of the recordings without endangering national security. I hope we don&#039;t hear the State Secrets defense invoked yet again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t be certain that the audio-video recordings were not destroyed. I can&#8217;t be certain that the original or a copy or copies was/were not kept in the personal custody of one or more persons, but that seems unlikely given the extremely sensitive nature of the interrogations and due to security protocols that must have applied.</p>
<p>The recordings of the sessions could be in the possession of the CIA or a cooperating agency and yet be unrecognizable to even experts looking for them, given today&#8217;s digital tools and human creativity. It will be important for Congressional committees and other investigators (law enforcement?) to ask the right questions. There should be logs documenting what was done, whatever it was.</p>
<p>It should be possible to investigate the reported destruction of the recordings without endangering national security. I hope we don&#8217;t hear the State Secrets defense invoked yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77290</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waiting in Texas:&lt;em&gt;Surely someone kept a copy of these tapes as “insurance and a get-out-of-jail-free type of thing?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
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While Hayden said there were only &quot;two&quot; tapes, it is very difficult to believe this is it. When one considers the possible distibution list and Cheney saying &quot;everything leaks eventually&quot;, (The Wilsons?)I can&#039;t imagine anyone watching these would not want some &quot;Potomac Two Step&quot; chips to play with...considering the possible legal jeopardy of being involved. Alot of effort by this RICO crowd has been in providing immunity from prosecution...from gov&#039;t to Blackwater to telco&#039;s to the justice dept...same effort. 

So how many people might have seen these tapes?
Someone at NQ made reference to Sy Hersh seeing them no? If true, there&#039;s more where them came from...JerseyJeffersonian&#039;s post is not to far of the track to not be at least a line of inquiry.
Open source info in the US is echoed to death. Is there any correlation to be found in the international world of Open source as it relates to the Saudi&#039; and Pakistan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waiting in Texas:<em>Surely someone kept a copy of these tapes as “insurance and a get-out-of-jail-free type of thing?&#8221;</em><br />
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While Hayden said there were only &#8220;two&#8221; tapes, it is very difficult to believe this is it. When one considers the possible distibution list and Cheney saying &#8220;everything leaks eventually&#8221;, (The Wilsons?)I can&#8217;t imagine anyone watching these would not want some &#8220;Potomac Two Step&#8221; chips to play with&#8230;considering the possible legal jeopardy of being involved. Alot of effort by this RICO crowd has been in providing immunity from prosecution&#8230;from gov&#8217;t to Blackwater to telco&#8217;s to the justice dept&#8230;same effort. </p>
<p>So how many people might have seen these tapes?<br />
Someone at NQ made reference to Sy Hersh seeing them no? If true, there&#8217;s more where them came from&#8230;JerseyJeffersonian&#8217;s post is not to far of the track to not be at least a line of inquiry.<br />
Open source info in the US is echoed to death. Is there any correlation to be found in the international world of Open source as it relates to the Saudi&#8217; and Pakistan?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77250</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to get this strike in before this trial.  If and when it happens.  This is the 6th time it has been delayed

AIPAC judge sets April 29 date
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Published: 12/06/2007

An April 29 trial date was set in the classified information case against two former AIPAC staffers.

Judge T.S. Ellis III of the U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., told prosecutors and defense lawyers that the date he set Thursday was final, sources said.

Ellis&#039; office confirmed the date, at least the fifth such date since Steve Rosen, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee&#039;s foreign policy chief, and Keith Weissman, its Iran analyst, were indicted in August 2005. The pretrial phase has dragged on largely because of arguments over the government&#039;s reluctance to share evidence with the defense.

Rosen and Weissman are accused under a 1917 statute that criminalizes the receipt and dissemination of classified information.

Ellis has allowed the defense to subpoena top Bush administration figures in the case, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley.

The judge has anticipated a trial of four to six weeks, which raises the prospect that it could overlap with AIPAC&#039;s annual policy conference scheduled for the beginning of June.

Separately, the prosecution announced three expert witnesses it would call to show that the classified information allegedly handled by Rosen and Weissman damaged the national interest: Maj. Gen. Paul Dettmer, the Pentagon&#039;s assistant deputy chief of staff for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; William McNair, a CIA official; and Dale Watson, the FBI&#039;s former executive assistant director for counterterrorism and counterintelligence, who headed the agency&#039;s investigation into the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

The defense has not announced its experts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to get this strike in before this trial.  If and when it happens.  This is the 6th time it has been delayed</p>
<p>AIPAC judge sets April 29 date<br />
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<p>Published: 12/06/2007</p>
<p>An April 29 trial date was set in the classified information case against two former AIPAC staffers.</p>
<p>Judge T.S. Ellis III of the U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., told prosecutors and defense lawyers that the date he set Thursday was final, sources said.</p>
<p>Ellis&#8217; office confirmed the date, at least the fifth such date since Steve Rosen, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee&#8217;s foreign policy chief, and Keith Weissman, its Iran analyst, were indicted in August 2005. The pretrial phase has dragged on largely because of arguments over the government&#8217;s reluctance to share evidence with the defense.</p>
<p>Rosen and Weissman are accused under a 1917 statute that criminalizes the receipt and dissemination of classified information.</p>
<p>Ellis has allowed the defense to subpoena top Bush administration figures in the case, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley.</p>
<p>The judge has anticipated a trial of four to six weeks, which raises the prospect that it could overlap with AIPAC&#8217;s annual policy conference scheduled for the beginning of June.</p>
<p>Separately, the prosecution announced three expert witnesses it would call to show that the classified information allegedly handled by Rosen and Weissman damaged the national interest: Maj. Gen. Paul Dettmer, the Pentagon&#8217;s assistant deputy chief of staff for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; William McNair, a CIA official; and Dale Watson, the FBI&#8217;s former executive assistant director for counterterrorism and counterintelligence, who headed the agency&#8217;s investigation into the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.</p>
<p>The defense has not announced its experts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77243</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read a few others bring this up at another blog.  Is this payback?

But remember that Larry has shared that it is more likely those that tortured were &quot;contractors&quot;.  Maybe CIA wants these contractors exposed?  Just supposin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read a few others bring this up at another blog.  Is this payback?</p>
<p>But remember that Larry has shared that it is more likely those that tortured were &#8220;contractors&#8221;.  Maybe CIA wants these contractors exposed?  Just supposin</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77241</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had seen reference to him in my reading and since Larry mentioned him...&quot;Where are they now can&quot; is a part of a &quot;hobby&quot; of mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had seen reference to him in my reading and since Larry mentioned him&#8230;&#8221;Where are they now can&#8221; is a part of a &#8220;hobby&#8221; of mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Wonderin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77204</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Wonderin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the problem - the Media paints it as a &quot;CIA&quot; Fuck Up when the actual motive was removed from Intell to an Operational action designed to sheild the Administrations involvement. Should we believe that Bush Bots weren&#039;t reporting/responding to WH influence? Can we believe Bush &quot;didn&#039;t know&quot; in the same manner that he &quot;just found out about the new NIR&quot;???? 
Please wake up NANCY . . . investigate, interrogate, impeach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the problem &#8211; the Media paints it as a &#8220;CIA&#8221; Fuck Up when the actual motive was removed from Intell to an Operational action designed to sheild the Administrations involvement. Should we believe that Bush Bots weren&#8217;t reporting/responding to WH influence? Can we believe Bush &#8220;didn&#8217;t know&#8221; in the same manner that he &#8220;just found out about the new NIR&#8221;????<br />
Please wake up NANCY . . . investigate, interrogate, impeach.</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77203</link>
		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, obviously.  But to have it openly confirmed by a respectable American journalist just puts the icing on the cake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, obviously.  But to have it openly confirmed by a respectable American journalist just puts the icing on the cake.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77199</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a good point.  I was following everything Scott Ritter was saying before the invasion.  He was on the Diane Rehm show and Talk of the Nation.  Along with Brezinski, General Zinni, retired CIA analyst, etc etc.  Plenty of warning before the invasion.

Although the evening T.V. news was filled to the brim with the Bush administrations &quot;pack of Lies&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a good point.  I was following everything Scott Ritter was saying before the invasion.  He was on the Diane Rehm show and Talk of the Nation.  Along with Brezinski, General Zinni, retired CIA analyst, etc etc.  Plenty of warning before the invasion.</p>
<p>Although the evening T.V. news was filled to the brim with the Bush administrations &#8220;pack of Lies&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jess Wonderin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Wonderin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;will go over&quot;???
Are we so stupid as to believe that it is NOT common knowledge in &quot;the Arab World&quot;? The unfortunate truth is that &quot;We&quot; are looked at as Israel&#039;s enforcer/enabler. Hersh surely has no better resources than any foreign government, and don&#039;t most Arab Intel Agencies have translators able to read US Newspapers . . . our own homophobic hypocritic Administration might have some left here . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;will go over&#8221;???<br />
Are we so stupid as to believe that it is NOT common knowledge in &#8220;the Arab World&#8221;? The unfortunate truth is that &#8220;We&#8221; are looked at as Israel&#8217;s enforcer/enabler. Hersh surely has no better resources than any foreign government, and don&#8217;t most Arab Intel Agencies have translators able to read US Newspapers . . . our own homophobic hypocritic Administration might have some left here . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/07/torture-tapes/#comment-77106</link>
		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel considering strike on Iran despite US intelligence report 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2224052,00.html</description>
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