The US Attorney’s letter in Moussaoui case regarding the 3 interrogation tapes located by CIA, claims none touch on 9/11.

Assuming the USA’s letter is accurate, THESE AREN’T THE SAME TAPES of interrogations that were “destroyed”. Or, else, we are expected to believe that Zubaydah and al-Nasiri weren’t interrogated about 9/11? Doesn’t add up.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20071207_intel_letter.pdf

Gnag of Four- Chairs, Ranking members after the Chairs?

Bush and Cheney, each alone late at night, watching elicit videos of torture sessions, their skin glistening with sweat from sexual excitement.

I imagine Cheney gives quite the workout to his robotic heart during these sessions.

http://www.asil.org/insights/2005/07/insights050707.html

By statute, as I understand it, the gang of eight is supposed to be operationally informed of various undercover operations. In several cases, including this one, the Bush admin decided to ignore the law and inform only the gang of four.

One more, relatively minor, instance of Bushco’s contempt for the rule of law. (In many other cases, of course, they chose to ignore the law and inform no one.) Still, we should keep the story straight rather than letting them off the hook by eliding the numbers four and eight.

Posted by Damozel (photo by zimpenfish) | A senior intelligence offiicial, sympathetic to designated scapegoat Jose Rodriguez, says that the CIA’s own lawyers gave written approval to the destruction in 2005 of the interrogation tapes. Lawyers within …

Mr M always tells me, us to connect the dots. I think its time for another of those connections. Terrorism, torture, suicide bombing, mass killing, nuclear bombing. Time to join those dots. As always I do it from a deeper level, the soul level.

Terrorism is unfair because it targets nameless victims. The attack is all important. The resulting damage is arbitary.

Torture is unfair because it targets the presumed guilty and possibly innocent. Though the appologists talk of value added interogation (i.e. we know so much, but torture gets us a little more), torture does not work any better than humane methods of interogation. Those who are being tortured are just as, or perhaps more, likely (- if they “know” they are going to die) to pass dud information. Torture is nothing more than a standard. The resulting damage is arbitary.

Suicide bombing is where a non US human being has the sole intent on killing or maiming. The suicide bomber aims to be one of the “victims” to avoid social revenge.

Mass killings are where a US human being (probably young) enters a shopping mall or school, aims to kill or maim as many who present an easy target. The mass killer is always one of the “victims” to avoid social revenge.

A nuclear suicide bomber is………..?

Run out of time. I shall continue these thought under seperate appropiate thread

Algerian rebels murder children
Independent, The (London), Aug 23, 1999 by Katherine Butler
A FRESH wave of violence in Algeria at the weekend left 17 people dead, including many children, in the town of Ouzra, about 75 miles south of Algiers.

Described as the worst incident since President Abdelaziz Bouteflika was elected in April, it came just weeks before a promised referendum aiming to establish peace and end the Islamic insurgency that has killed up to 100,000 people in the past seven years.
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Ten French citizens die and more than two hundred are injured in a series of attacks in France from July to October 1995. Most of the attacks are caused by the explosion of rudimentary bombs in the Paris subway. The deaths are blamed on the Groupe Islamique Armé (GIA) Algerian militant group. Some members of the banned Algerian opposition Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) living in exile in France are killed as well. For instance, high-level FIS leader Abdelbaki Sahraoui is assassinated on July 11, 1995. The GIA takes credit for these acts. The attacks mobilize French public opinion against the Islamic opposition in Algerian and causes the French government to abandon its support for recent Algerian peace plans put forth by a united opposition front (see January 13,1995). [BBC, 10/30/2002; Randal, 2005, pp. 171, 316-317; Guardian, 9/8/2005] However, in September 1995, French Interior Minister Jean-Louis Debré says, “It cannot be excluded that Algerian intelligence may have been implicated” in the first bombing, which hit the Saint-Michel subway stop in Paris on July 25 and killed eight. [BBC, 10/31/2002; Randal, 2005, pp. 316-317] And as time goes on, Algerian officials defect and blame Algerian intelligence for sponsoring all the attacks. Ali Touchent is said to be the GIA leader organizing the attacks (see January 13,1995). But Mohammed Samraoui, former deputy chief of the Algerian army’s counterintelligence unit, will later claim that Touchent was an Algerian intelligence “agent tasked with infiltrating Islamist ranks abroad and the French knew it.” But he adds the French “probably did not suspect their Algerian counterparts were prepared to go so far.” [Randal, 2005, pp. 316-317] A long-time Algerian secret agent known only by the codename Yussuf-Joseph who defected to Britain will later claim that the bombings in France were supported by Algerian intelligence in order to turn French public opinion against the Islamic opposition in Algeria. He says that intelligence agents went sent to France by General Smain Lamari, head of the Algerian counterintelligence department, to directly organize at least two of the French bombings. The operational leader was actually Colonel Souames Mahmoud, head of the intelligence at the Algerian Embassy in Paris. [Observer, 11/9/1997] In 2002, a French television station will air a 90-minute documentary tying the bombings to Algerian intelligence. In the wake of the broadcast, Alain Marsaud, French counterintelligence coordinator in the 1980s, will say, “State terrorism uses screen organizations. In this case, [the GIA was] a screen organization in the hands of the Algerian security services… it was a screen to hold France hostage.” [New Zealand Listener, 2/14/2004]

So we’re looking at what they call a limited hangout thanks to Cheney?

I think that there are a fair number of knowledgeable Agency officers that believe that the Agency version of waterboarding is so different from waterboarding as practiced by others so as to be a totally different animal.

Unless, of course, you are the guy being waterboarded. I’m not sure that they appreciate these distinctions.

March 04 - The four Blackwater guys torched and hung.

November 04 - Fallujah barbecued. Sgrena was there doing a story on Fallujah. Four months later, Feb 05, poof, Sgrena’s kidnapped. Musings at the time were, ‘why would the Iraqis kidnap someone who was going to report on what happened at Fallujah?’

Agree, it was supposed to be a total.

God, wasn’t it SO obvious at the time that it was a hit, what with the draped, bullet-riddled car that may not have been the car, being photographed from one side only, and the checkpoint fish story, and the gigantic caliber shell Sgrena was hit with. The whole thing stank (still does) like an East River bluefish.

“…the seemingly endless ability of this administration to grow division and disfunction among even the most highly trained and motivated of professionals.

Thanks for articulating. Plus, I closet-weep because the above and following are always under my skin, I’m always pissed off that they can plan all their slimy moves years ahead (viz, Day One opting out of Geneva and ICC for just this torture intent and purpose; “pre”writing PATRIOT, presented 9 days-2 weeks, whatever, after the tragic event), they can send a million freaking e-mails a week or whateverTF huge number on their little blackberries with their greedy, piggy little fingers, and they’re all so well equipped and zippy, and ready for anything…….anything exclusively political, that is.
They’re all such goddamned clever weasels, with their parsing, their creepy-crawling their political propaganda into every branch of gov, their astoundingly unprecedented abandonment of the law. They’re busy, busy, busy, and clever at everything but governing. There hasn’t been any legit governing for seven. interminable. years.

******bangs head over and over*******
(/rant)
Thank you, come again.

We’re Americans and we’re better than that.

February 2003 - Egyptian cleric kidnapped from Milano by CIA

February 4, 2005 — Italian journalist and leftist/Communist, Giuliana Sgrena — kidnapped in Iraq

March 4, 2005 — Calipari assasinated while rescuing Sgrena, who was injured along with diver

June 2005 — Arrest warrants issued for CIA agents

CIA knew in advance Italy was planning to issue arrest warrants. They had Sgrena kidnapped in Iraq in retaliation (she is a leftist/communist). Intention was to kill everybody in the car but only Calipari died trying to protect Sgrena. Irish drunks don’t always shoot straight.

NYPD was waiting on Route Irish for an Italian car. Retaliation, plain and simple. It’s no different than the days of Elliot Ness and Al Capone. Maybe they should have used another name for their checkpoint. But nobody ever said Bush’s thugs were competent. I’m hearing the word incompetent used more and more lately.