Comments on: Why Destroy Something No One Has Seen? http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:36:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85512 TeakWoodKite Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:20:31 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85512 PS. I think it goes to the heart of the matter when you " Destroy something no one has seen" PS. I think it goes to the heart of the matter when you ” Destroy something no one has seen”

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85492 Shirin Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:04:30 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85492 Heard this story on the news this morning, and they assured us Cheney was not in the office when the fire occurred. Now, that's a damned shame! Heard this story on the news this morning, and they assured us Cheney was not in the office when the fire occurred. Now, that’s a damned shame!

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85481 TeakWoodKite Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:53:03 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85481 Bill Keyes: The artical you posted says it all. I read recently that The JAG core was being politically harrassed by the White House. What the historical traditions are in the JAG and the relationship with the executive branch? http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/15/white_house_wants_more_control_over_jags/9723/ What I found interesting was the reference to Reagan administration's "national security emergency" EO 12656 of 1988. Back then in Northern California , C.A.M.P was in the process of running "blackwater" OPS in testing martial law. I would wager that one could connect the dots from to now. Bill Keyes: The artical you posted says it all.

I read recently that The JAG core was being politically harrassed by the White House.
What the historical traditions are in the JAG and the relationship with the executive branch?

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/15/white_house_wants_more_control_over_jags/9723/

What I found interesting was the reference to Reagan administration’s “national security emergency” EO 12656 of 1988. Back then in Northern California , C.A.M.P was in the process of running “blackwater” OPS in testing martial law. I would wager that one could connect the dots from to now.

]]> By: Leslie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85428 Leslie Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:12:56 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85428 Bushie lie #3,495,576,013. Bushie-gate #1,589. Bushie crime #94,238 approx. Why destroy the tapes if Bush doesn't torture and the administration has done nothing illegal...uh...such as destroying the tapes? Just asking. Bushie lie #3,495,576,013. Bushie-gate #1,589. Bushie crime #94,238 approx.

Why destroy the tapes if Bush doesn’t torture and the administration has done nothing illegal…uh…such as destroying the tapes? Just asking.

]]> By: GR3 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85425 GR3 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:11:39 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85425 Sure hope the writers strike is over soon. I'd like a bit of leavening with the authoritarianism, please. Is Canada too close? They have an intelligent conservative in power who might be one of the last of W's buddies left. A land exit may seem quick, but American law enforcement has gotten extraordinary cooperation from our neighbors lately. (The limit for American tourists is 6 months minus a day.) I remember spending 1974 on an extended European trip. Watched President Ford's first speech in a pub in Ireland. Even if the neocons don't go without a fight, I have almost no hope for the future of this country. Everyone can recall how poisonous politics became in the ninties. How vicious will the true believers get when they lose power? There is much more antagonism ahead, and possibly armed conflict. Sure hope the writers strike is over soon. I’d like a bit of leavening with the authoritarianism, please.
Is Canada too close? They have an intelligent conservative in power who might be one of the last of W’s buddies left. A land exit may seem quick, but American law enforcement has gotten extraordinary cooperation from our neighbors lately. (The limit for American tourists is 6 months minus a day.)
I remember spending 1974 on an extended European trip. Watched President Ford’s first speech in a pub in Ireland.
Even if the neocons don’t go without a fight, I have almost no hope for the future of this country. Everyone can recall how poisonous politics became in the ninties. How vicious will the true believers get when they lose power? There is much more antagonism ahead, and possibly armed conflict.

]]> By: OleHippieChick http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85419 OleHippieChick Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:09:40 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85419 I joke, but it ain't funny. Of course, Vader, like any good Mafia don, was elsewhere, with witnesses. So what burned, the WH visitor logs due in court this Friday or the rest of the sadistic perverts' torture porn collection? I joke, but it ain’t funny. Of course, Vader, like any good Mafia don, was elsewhere, with witnesses.
So what burned, the WH visitor logs due in court this Friday or the rest of the sadistic perverts’ torture porn collection?

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85402 TeakWoodKite Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:55:37 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85402 <blockquote>the Constitution is "just a goddamned piece of paper." </blockquote> Military Order number 1 ; http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011113-27.html 836 of title 10, United States Code; President may prescribe rules http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=10&sec=836 Executive Order 12958 of April 17,1995. (h) "Unauthorized disclosure" means a communication or physical transfer of classified information to an unauthorized recipient. Sec. 1.8. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall information be classified in order to: (1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error; (2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency; (3) restrain competition; or (4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of national security. http://www.fas.org/sgp/clinton/eo12958.html

the Constitution is “just a goddamned piece of paper.”

Military Order number 1 ;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011113-27.html

836 of title 10, United States Code;
President may prescribe rules

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=10&sec=836

Executive Order 12958 of April 17,1995.

(h) “Unauthorized disclosure” means a communication or physical transfer of classified information to an unauthorized recipient.

Sec. 1.8. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations.

(a) In no case shall information be classified in order to:

(1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
(2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;

(3) restrain competition; or

(4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of national security.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/clinton/eo12958.html

]]> By: Sometime-CIA-Defender http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85262 Sometime-CIA-Defender Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:46:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85262 Don't laugh... <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17396409&ft=1&f=1001" rel="nofollow">NPR - Fire at Old Executive Office Building</a> <blockquote>Thick smoke billowed from the White House compound in the Executive Office Building Wednesday after an apparent electrical fire was triggered near the second-story ceremonial office of Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney's office was damaged by smoke and water from fire hoses, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said. The vice president was not in the building at the time; he was in the West Wing of the White House with President Bush.</blockquote> Don’t laugh…

NPR - Fire at Old Executive Office Building

Thick smoke billowed from the White House compound in the Executive Office Building Wednesday after an apparent electrical fire was triggered near the second-story ceremonial office of Vice President Dick Cheney.

Cheney’s office was damaged by smoke and water from fire hoses, White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said. The vice president was not in the building at the time; he was in the West Wing of the White House with President Bush.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85209 Shirin Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:09:40 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85209 Centrocita, would you mind toning down the racism just a bit? You never know whom you might be offending. Centrocita, would you mind toning down the racism just a bit? You never know whom you might be offending.

]]> By: Bill Keyes http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85206 Bill Keyes Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:04:46 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85206 Slightly off topic...... For all of those of you reading this who still think we live in a democracy please read the following. Or just continue to stick your heads in the sand and pretend that everything is going to be just peachy when the Republicans are still in power this time next year and we are still in Iraq and the economy is even worse then it is today and as the old Jimmy Dean song says..."Another day older and deeper in debt." I for one am planning a fast exit to anywhere else that is not a police state. Police State America A Look Back And Ahead By Stephen Lendman http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18918.htm Slightly off topic……

For all of those of you reading this who still think we live in a democracy please read the following. Or just continue to stick your heads in the sand and pretend that everything is going to be just peachy when the Republicans are still in power this time next year and we are still in Iraq and the economy is even worse then it is today and as the old Jimmy Dean song says…”Another day older and deeper in debt.”

I for one am planning a fast exit to anywhere else that is not a police state.

Police State America

A Look Back And Ahead

By Stephen Lendman

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18918.htm

]]> By: oldtree http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85199 oldtree Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:55:00 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85199 I would figure the library to be a server in the white house due to secure traffic requirements, if they did copy a digital record. (If is not really what I would guess on a matter so important to the power retaining it's power) It isn't just email that these judges should be asking for of the records. Older judges may not know the terms to use for such refined searches for evidence either. We have seen that used to obstruct justice a few million times now with the missing email. I would figure the library to be a server in the white house due to secure traffic requirements, if they did copy a digital record. (If is not really what I would guess on a matter so important to the power retaining it’s power)
It isn’t just email that these judges should be asking for of the records. Older judges may not know the terms to use for such refined searches for evidence either. We have seen that used to obstruct justice a few million times now with the missing email.

]]> By: Centrocitta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85190 Centrocitta Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:26:12 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85190 Does Nancy Pelosi own a dress? Or a skirt? When is she going to get rid of those polyester pant-suits? And what's with all this "Red"? Can't she tone it down a little and dress like a lady? She's the speaker of the house, for crying out loud, but she looks like a low-class Turkish woman. Does Nancy Pelosi own a dress? Or a skirt? When is she going to get rid of those polyester pant-suits? And what’s with all this “Red”? Can’t she tone it down a little and dress like a lady? She’s the speaker of the house, for crying out loud, but she looks like a low-class Turkish woman.

]]> By: Michael Lafferty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85179 Michael Lafferty Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:58:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85179 Er, Harriet Miers. Sorry. Er, Harriet Miers. Sorry.

]]> By: mainsailset http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85178 mainsailset Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:56:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85178 oldtree-are you referring to Cheney's desk drawer? Was the CIA so overfunded that it could fly rendition planes at a minutes' notice but had to rely on 'tapes' for its interrogations? I would have thought Cheney would have had a web cam. oldtree-are you referring to Cheney’s desk drawer?
Was the CIA so overfunded that it could fly rendition planes at a minutes’ notice but had to rely on ‘tapes’ for its interrogations? I would have thought Cheney would have had a web cam.

]]> By: readerOfTeaLeaves http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85177 readerOfTeaLeaves Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:53:25 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85177 IANAL, but you may be missing one aspect: were the tapes on physical tape media? or were they digitized? If on physical media, then there are ways to encode it so that no one can copy -- just ask Hollywood. Nevertheless, video > digital transfers happen all the time; you can probably get it at your local camera shop. If on digital media, there are still ways to protect media (passwords, plus stuff beyond my knowledge level). But digital media is pretty much a "duplicate file" command. So when one is specific in asking about any sort of taping, it might be wise to probe more for precise language regarding the types of storage media used for the information. It may have been reproduced on multiple media, which would give more 'ass covering room' for Bu$hCo, but also more risk of dupes out there in the world. Larry, couldn't resist clicking over to see whether you had any comments or insights on this latest. FOTFLMAO. IANAL, but you may be missing one aspect: were the tapes on physical tape media? or were they digitized?

If on physical media, then there are ways to encode it so that no one can copy — just ask Hollywood. Nevertheless, video > digital transfers happen all the time; you can probably get it at your local camera shop.

If on digital media, there are still ways to protect media (passwords, plus stuff beyond my knowledge level). But digital media is pretty much a “duplicate file” command. So when one is specific in asking about any sort of taping, it might be wise to probe more for precise language regarding the types of storage media used for the information. It may have been reproduced on multiple media, which would give more ‘ass covering room’ for Bu$hCo, but also more risk of dupes out there in the world.

Larry, couldn’t resist clicking over to see whether you had any comments or insights on this latest.
FOTFLMAO.

]]> By: Michael Lafferty http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85176 Michael Lafferty Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:53:09 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85176 The initial tactic employed by the White House—and, I say tactic because they appear incapable of formulating a working strategy for anything—is that the tapes were created, stored and destroyed overseas, so there is no controlling US authority. Correct me if I am wrong here, but as a soldier—to the extent not amplified or otherwise modified by an existing Status of Forces Agreement, the Uniform Code of Military Justice followed me wherever I went. There was no requirement that any offense I might be accused of occurred on 'US soil' for there to be jurisdiction established. I would imagine that applicable US statutes and existing Presidential findings, administrative rules and similar guidance would apply to agents no matter where they operated. Is my assumption incorrect, or are all those high-powered attorneys like David Addington, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Meyers and others failing a fundamental first year law question? The initial tactic employed by the White House—and, I say tactic because they appear incapable of formulating a working strategy for anything—is that the tapes were created, stored and destroyed overseas, so there is no controlling US authority.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but as a soldier—to the extent not amplified or otherwise modified by an existing Status of Forces Agreement, the Uniform Code of Military Justice followed me wherever I went. There was no requirement that any offense I might be accused of occurred on ‘US soil’ for there to be jurisdiction established. I would imagine that applicable US statutes and existing Presidential findings, administrative rules and similar guidance would apply to agents no matter where they operated.

Is my assumption incorrect, or are all those high-powered attorneys like David Addington, Alberto Gonzales, Harriet Meyers and others failing a fundamental first year law question?

]]> By: TeakwoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85149 TeakwoodKite Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:16:34 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85149 Isn't a question of "chain of custody" ? Isn’t a question of “chain of custody” ?

]]> By: OleHippieChick http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85147 OleHippieChick Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:14:23 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85147 Fire in the <strike>Reichstag</strike> EEOB, Cheney's place. Fire in the Reichstag EEOB, Cheney’s place.

]]> By: oldtree http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85139 oldtree Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:05:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85139 Where are the various tape libraries located? People that torture like to watch torture, do they not? Where are the various tape libraries located? People that torture like to watch torture, do they not?

]]> By: TeakwoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85125 TeakwoodKite Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:46:09 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/19/why-destroy-something-no-one-has-seen/#comment-85125 Why is it being leaked by "Senior administration officials"? I know this is a silly question, but have we not seen this pattern before? <blockquote>Senior administration officials, who asked not to be identified because of an ongoing Justice Department investigation, told the newspaper at least four top White House lawyers took part in discussions with the CIA as to whether the tapes showing violent interrogation techniques should be destroyed.</blockquote> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/19/white_house_denies_wider_role_in_cia_tapes/8563/ Why is it being leaked by “Senior administration officials”? I know this is a silly question, but have we not seen this pattern before?

Senior administration officials, who asked not to be identified because of an ongoing Justice Department investigation, told the newspaper at least four top White House lawyers took part in discussions with the CIA as to whether the tapes showing violent interrogation techniques should be destroyed.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/19/white_house_denies_wider_role_in_cia_tapes/8563/

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