Look past him, higher.

Pas de cider? eh? Even Vader answers to a dark lord. Cheney has never been a “prime” number…Bush never. When Bush Sr was passed up and ‘given’ the CIA(?)…it showed the same thing. I need to find where I stashed my tinfoil hat now…right next to the duck tape i think…
I wonder how people stop from going crazy in this line of work. I think it would hard not go Bolton bonkers…

Best wish to you and yours. Thanks for forensics lessons.

The IC itself was getting gag orders on the work it could do or having programs rolled back(Clarke’s demotion, Bin Laden unit’s shelving, Alec Station deprioritized, etc.)

The people working in concert to shape this policy were working with vested lobby interests for parties poised to benefit the most from our subsequent actions in Persia, or even some with suspected ties to the problem.

Cofer profited the most, getting Blackwater deals from the State Department.

He’s an ace in the hole on the three card monty that has been made into high stakes profiteering.

Those official operations were ones Edmonds had items to interpret, and she was getting stonewalled within the IC by appointed people tracing back to the lobby interests with Hastert, etc.

The third parties had undue influence to shaping policy, and after 9-11 were integrated within the subcontract structure to greater degrees. Interests between these and the donor/appointment cartel of Bush were impediments to effective interception of the threat we have made wars over.

The torture tapes were not destoryed entirely. Record of them remains in court transactions. Spooks got more on it as well.

Not just tapes past 9-11. Some include prior information, things that set people’s hair on fire were being ignored and shut down within the walls of the IC under direction of people the Shrub set into place.

Jawbreaker wanted an airstrike at Tora Bora, just one example. One guy is above him in his specialty field, Cofer should have to answer up as to why there was a tactical and strategic breakdown when the noose was being applied.

Rod isn’t the one, he’s just a scapegoat if he’s given immunity. Look past him, higher. He didn’t do any action that wasn’t a result of being directed to do so. Even if he made the call to loosen the noose, there was a reason coming from a direct superior.

Hope you’re having fun and eating lots. I’m nibbling before my guests come over … this is going to turn into a 5,000-calorie day, I fear.

“Obama goes Harry and Louise”; Call it the audacity of cynicism

That is either eeeEWWW or not his daughter.Wonder if Flint got his monies worth.

We here at Non Peer Competitor Intelligence Associates have high confidence that this guy Obama is a deep implant mole for Plutocratic entities.

Seasoned Grittings,
Mad Mikey
Director
NPCIA
npcia AT bellsouth DOT net

Cofer Black Headed Unit Alleged to Torture Detainees and Withhold Pre-9/11 Warning Memo to FBI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2520230&mesg_id=2520230
Cofer must be advising Mitt to be a favorably inclined president.
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QuentinCompson | Homepage | 12.24.07 - 11:44 am | #

Earlier in the prior evening I made some assertions about the CIA tapes at another forum:

“THE CIA chief who ordered the destruction of secret videotapes recording the harsh interrogation of two top Al-Qaeda suspects has indicated he may seek immunity from prosecution in exchange for testifying before the House intelligence committee.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2520230&mesg_id=2520230
Jose Rodriguez, former head of the CIA’s clandestine service, is determined not to become the fall guy in the controversy over the CIA’s use of torture, according to intelligence sources.”
Mr.Murder | 12.24.07 - 7:29 am | #

The piece goes on, the link quotes Larry:

“Johnson says Rodriguez got his fingers burnt during the Iran-contra scandal while working for the CIA in Latin America in the 1980s. Even then he sought authorization from senior officials. But when summoned to the FBI for questioning, he was told Iran-contra was “political – get your own lawyer”.
He learnt his lesson and recently appointed Robert Bennett, one of Washington’s most skilled lawyers, to handle the case of the destroyed interrogation tapes. “He has been starting to get his story out and was smart to get Bennett,” said Johnson.”
Mr.Murder | 12.24.07 - 7:32 am | #

Don’t provide Black immunity, it did nothing for Goodling or Ollie North in terms of expediency or true justice to this point.

This was a contention I’ve asserted prior and need to state again:

IMO, this is the deal.-
The CIA kept spooks in line by keeping the Contra crew that Bush Sr. and AWOL initially relied on in the system. It’s easier to use people when their primary motivation is the fact you’ve got dirt on them.
Now they are having their cards played. The GOP’s only way to counter the spin will be to out their own people with contacts to contra dirty deeds through plausible fronts like Ollie North and Fox network.

The CIA has videotapes of confessions. this is nothing new, not news. Torture goes along with some of those items…

When they said Moussaoui’s name it was ringing a bell… they’ve got tapes of him and associates. It implicates a lot of allies. There may be additional tapes, admitting things were in the air before Sept.11th and THAT will bring every one of those pigs down.
Imagine this scenario:
We’re trying to ramp up a war with Iraq or justify our presence in other lands(the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline) and in the efforts to shape this we come across a bigger item that goes along with the need to develop justification.
Word gets out enough that a run on big market money occurs, but the overall orders are to let the efforts flow forward.
The actual items get restricted and an effort to stick heads in the sand continues.
Then Sept. 11th changes everythnig…
the spooks got copies of those tapes. People had their “hair on fire” for a reason…
Mr.Murder | 12.24.07 - 7:51 am | #

The DU thread has a lot of items woven together. It’s trying to claim we developed further contacts with Al Qaeida past the MEK(MAK) days of UBL’s work against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

This even after the tower bombings and embassy bombings.

That doesn’t seem remotely plausible. Even spooks have a line you don’t cross with regards to targeting your own. People working outside of the IC are another story.

The Bosnia/Kosovo conflict, the Chechen support cells, both work to the advantage of a lobby that the Republican House leadership directly interacted with.

This is part of the musical chairs interlude on the Gingrich/Hastert/DeLay dance.

Tom DeLay flew to east Europe and did jet set partying with lobbyists known to have associated within the loops on Al Qaeida. His daughter took a champagne bath on that jet, it flew across the EU, there’s so many possible SIGINTS intercepts of what that entailed amongst NATO and EU members, enough to bury him under the Hague.

Hastert took vested ties with other groups operating venture interests for pipeline deals across the Caspain, in particular Turkey and several oil-stans. Sibel Edmonds encountered static in dealing with intercepts of these people and remains willing to disclose provided the major media gives her an unedited voice.

Newt Gingrich tried to obstruct any action vs. Al Qaeida in its initial days, countering with “Wag the Dog” while he was undergoing an affair with a staffer and live-in girlfriends while his wife was on her deathbed.

That’s where the connection to Kosovo comes into play. It wasn’t the CIA supporting enemies of troops being part of an international relief effort and police action.

It was donors to Republican coffers.

Too much domestic information is in the program to have been all CIA as well. This stuff falls under FBI jurisdiction. IMO the idea was to try and develop leads within cells.

It’s clear that leadership fimbled, not analysts or those gathering INTEL.

Someone put the brakes on connecting the dots.

The group most likely to do this appears to have worked in concert with several big political names in the donor spectrum of foreign lobbies with ties to energy venture in Southeast Europe, Turkey, and the Caucuses.