Comments on: Hormuz, Tonkin, and Current Intelligence http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:04:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Taylor http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-1210798 Taylor Fri, 29 May 2009 09:59:19 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-1210798 <strong>Authorized Security Tools...</strong> You have got to be kidding!... Authorized Security Tools…

You have got to be kidding!…

]]> By: CK http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107543 CK Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:12:57 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107543 Ah the fun of watching masterful diplomacy in action. 1) India and China sign accords 2) Another nation declares that there is only one China and formosa isn't it. 3) Yet Another nation moving toward that attitude with a shift in government. Marshall Islands home of Bikini atoll has elected the non US party to rule. 4) China is signing a REAL free trade pact with Costa Rica ( a wee snub of the ol USA there ) 5) China has informed the USA that China will not take kindly to USA meddling with the results of the formosa election. Ah the fun of watching masterful diplomacy in action.
1) India and China sign accords
2) Another nation declares that there is only one China and formosa isn’t it.
3) Yet Another nation moving toward that attitude with a shift in government. Marshall Islands home of Bikini atoll has elected the non US party to rule.
4) China is signing a REAL free trade pact with Costa Rica ( a wee snub of the ol USA there )
5) China has informed the USA that China will not take kindly to USA meddling with the results of the formosa election.

]]> By: TeakwoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107138 TeakwoodKite Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:03:28 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107138 Sorry, I had a Roger Rabbit moment! :) Sorry, I had a Roger Rabbit moment! :)

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107136 Shirin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:50:27 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107136 Alas! He has none. (Oooops! I wasn't supposed to point that out, was I?) Alas! He has none.

(Oooops! I wasn’t supposed to point that out, was I?)

]]> By: TeakwoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107121 TeakwoodKite Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:06:40 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107121 Put some clothes on. Put some clothes on.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107112 Shirin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:55:50 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107112 "<i>bush’s lies and deception are solely responsible for the tragedy of Iraq" Either you are abysmally and inexcusably ignorant of the history of the U.S. involvement in Iraq, or you are pretending to be.</i> “bush’s lies and deception are solely responsible for the tragedy of Iraq”

Either you are abysmally and inexcusably ignorant of the history of the U.S. involvement in Iraq, or you are pretending to be.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107100 Shirin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:16:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107100 That sounds about right. Poor Li'l Georgie is getting desperate. His nucular (sic) threat fabrication got blown out of the water. No one seems to be sufficiently excited by his deeply hypocritical complaints that Iran is "interfering in Iraq", and killing Americans there. What's a poor wannabe emperor to do?! That sounds about right.

Poor Li’l Georgie is getting desperate. His nucular (sic) threat fabrication got blown out of the water. No one seems to be sufficiently excited by his deeply hypocritical complaints that Iran is “interfering in Iraq”, and killing Americans there.

What’s a poor wannabe emperor to do?!

]]> By: twogunsid http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107075 twogunsid Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:45:29 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-107075 I served a board a US frigate in 1986 during the Tanker War. We regularly had incidents withe IRGC like what you see on the USNavy's recently released video. It is my opinion that this type of confrontation, if it can even be called a confrontation, has been going on for the last 20 some years. The Bush administration is attempting to use these incidents to trick the public into supporting a strike against Iran by the US and it's Gulf allies. I served a board a US frigate in 1986 during the Tanker War. We regularly had incidents withe IRGC like what you see on the USNavy’s recently released video. It is my opinion that this type of confrontation, if it can even be called a confrontation, has been going on for the last 20 some years. The Bush administration is attempting to use these incidents to trick the public into supporting a strike against Iran by the US and it’s Gulf allies.

]]> By: shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106882 shirin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:55:29 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106882 LOL! Well, you must admit that the presence of Iranian speedboats in the Gulf is far more normal than the presence of warships from exactly half a world away. LOL!

Well, you must admit that the presence of Iranian speedboats in the Gulf is far more normal than the presence of warships from exactly half a world away.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106876 TeakWoodKite Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:42:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106876 Sorry Shirin: That is not quite true. No ones hands are clean here. It a matter of degree and proxy. <blockquote>Iran has not done anything and is not doing anything</blockquote> Sorry Shirin: That is not quite true. No ones hands are clean here. It a matter of degree and proxy.

Iran has not done anything and is not doing anything

]]> By: shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106875 shirin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:41:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106875 I wish you had saved it too - that would be hilarious! But surely it will show up on Youtube, if it hasn't already! I wish you had saved it too - that would be hilarious!

But surely it will show up on Youtube, if it hasn’t already!

]]> By: Fred C. Dobbs http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106872 Fred C. Dobbs Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:38:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106872 Having been buzzed innumerable times in Hormuz by what we called, "Go-Fast," boats, this would be about the only piece of waterborne weirdness I haven't seen there. Having been buzzed innumerable times in Hormuz by what we called, “Go-Fast,” boats, this would be about the only piece of waterborne weirdness I haven’t seen there.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106866 TeakWoodKite Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:31:28 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106866 mmmmm. What would Mr Murder say....? OK ...who's money? Cheney said debts don't matter so it is not what is owed at least to Bush. (And me a just a wood kite...!!) The oil industry in Iran? I don't buy this thing about dividing Iran-Saudi....homework time. mmmmm. What would Mr Murder say….? OK …who’s money? Cheney said debts don’t matter so it is not what is owed at least to Bush. (And me a just a wood kite…!!) The oil industry in Iran? I don’t buy this thing about dividing Iran-Saudi….homework time.

]]> By: shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106864 shirin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:26:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106864 Israel is, of course, concerned that Iran is getting far too much regional power. I really don't think any of the Arab countries is as worried about Israel as the propaganda suggests they are. Based on what I have heard from really knowledgeable people (as opposed to the self-appointed experts and talking heads the Bush regime sends out to clog up the media on the subject), there have been no problems between Iran and the Saudis. It looks to me as if Bush is having to bribe the Saudis in this matter, which would tend to confirm that. I don't have any particular information, but the Gulf states are certainly do not seek to be military powers, and nothing I have heard tells me that they are frightened of Iran. So, I guess they will have to receive some kind of bribes also. But I really don't think it is just Israel that is inducing this behaviour in the Bush regime. After all, Iran has been a target of theirs from the beginning, and if Iraq had gone according to their expectations, they would have moved on to Iran (and then to Syria, and who knows where else) a long time ago. Somebody please, please, please stop them! Israel is, of course, concerned that Iran is getting far too much regional power. I really don’t think any of the Arab countries is as worried about Israel as the propaganda suggests they are. Based on what I have heard from really knowledgeable people (as opposed to the self-appointed experts and talking heads the Bush regime sends out to clog up the media on the subject), there have been no problems between Iran and the Saudis. It looks to me as if Bush is having to bribe the Saudis in this matter, which would tend to confirm that.

I don’t have any particular information, but the Gulf states are certainly do not seek to be military powers, and nothing I have heard tells me that they are frightened of Iran. So, I guess they will have to receive some kind of bribes also.

But I really don’t think it is just Israel that is inducing this behaviour in the Bush regime. After all, Iran has been a target of theirs from the beginning, and if Iraq had gone according to their expectations, they would have moved on to Iran (and then to Syria, and who knows where else) a long time ago.

Somebody please, please, please stop them!

]]> By: Cee http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106863 Cee Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:22:34 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106863 LOL. Someone sent me a clip showing the Iranian boats towing waterskiers and later a squirrel. Shoot. I wish I had saved it. LOL!! LOL. Someone sent me a clip showing the Iranian boats towing waterskiers and later a squirrel.

Shoot. I wish I had saved it. LOL!!

]]> By: shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106860 shirin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:15:32 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106860 What is WRONG with people? This is an even more clear and brazen lie than the WMD/bin Laden's best pal lies they used to justify attacking Iraq! Anyone who pays attention can clearly see that Iran has not done anything and is not doing anything. Anyone who makes even a small effort can learn that Iran has no history at all of aggression. And yet, he can make these kinds of brazen statements and get away with it. The world has gone mad. What is WRONG with people? This is an even more clear and brazen lie than the WMD/bin Laden’s best pal lies they used to justify attacking Iraq! Anyone who pays attention can clearly see that Iran has not done anything and is not doing anything. Anyone who makes even a small effort can learn that Iran has no history at all of aggression. And yet, he can make these kinds of brazen statements and get away with it.

The world has gone mad.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106857 TeakWoodKite Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:07:42 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106857 The thing is, they will not have to await for orders next time. And that will be in the next 30 days...If the "our friends" won't "side" with Bush now they will "forced" to choose when it goes hot. We did not sell them JDAM's for defense. The thing is, they will not have to await for orders next time. And that will be in the next 30 days…If the “our friends” won’t “side” with Bush now they will “forced” to choose when it goes hot. We did not sell them JDAM’s for defense.

]]> By: Retired http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106853 Retired Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:01:26 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106853 Certainly the questions to ask are, "Who feels that their interests are being threatened by Iran? And what influence does that party (or parties) have on (or over) the United States?" The answers to those questions are the key to why the actions that we are taking and our explanations for taking them do not correlate. Certainly the questions to ask are, “Who feels that their interests are being threatened by Iran? And what influence does that party (or parties) have on (or over) the United States?” The answers to those questions are the key to why the actions that we are taking and our explanations for taking them do not correlate.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106849 TeakWoodKite Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:55:15 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106849 Remarkable isn't it? And we have a whole year of this to be set in motion. What is questionable is weather the arms sale are part of the larger effort. We give 30 billion to Israel, 20 billion the the Saudi's. and the rest of the "friends" get what? Remarkable isn’t it? And we have a whole year of this to be set in motion. What is questionable is weather the arms sale are part of the larger effort. We give 30 billion to Israel, 20 billion the the Saudi’s. and the rest of the “friends” get what?

]]> By: shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106842 shirin Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:43:34 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/13/hormuz-tonkin-and-current-intelligence/#comment-106842 I just saw this from The Washington Monthly in the comment section of Helena Cobban's blog: "<i>The only thing that would have made this funnier is if the Iranians had been pulling waterskiers.</i>" I just saw this from The Washington Monthly in the comment section of Helena Cobban’s blog:

“The only thing that would have made this funnier is if the Iranians had been pulling waterskiers.“

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