Comments on: A Neocon Finally Offers The First Geopolitical Justification For The Iraq War http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:43:22 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Alfie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-1227940 Alfie Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:57:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-1227940 <strong>Eastern Tibet Training Institute...</strong> Maybe, but I'm not sure it'for everyone.... Eastern Tibet Training Institute…

Maybe, but I’m not sure it’for everyone….

]]> By: Nellie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122836 Nellie Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:10:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122836 I love that line. I love that line.

]]> By: Nellie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122831 Nellie Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:05:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122831 Deigo Garcia has no people other than Military. They have lovely housing with bars and dark windows I understand. Will that do for a deserted island? Deigo Garcia has no people other than Military. They have lovely housing with bars and dark windows I understand. Will that do for a deserted island?

]]> By: Nellie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122824 Nellie Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:01:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122824 Good catch on that link Kathleen - Thank you! Good catch on that link Kathleen – Thank you!

]]> By: Nellie http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122814 Nellie Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:52:35 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122814 Don't forget Feith, Perle and Cambone Don’t forget Feith, Perle and Cambone

]]> By: Donovan Fraser http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122049 Donovan Fraser Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:13:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122049 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhAokoMgSDc no truer words were ever spoken. man I wish this guy would win http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhAokoMgSDc

no truer words were ever spoken.
man I wish this guy would win

]]> By: Donovan Fraser http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122041 Donovan Fraser Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:09:37 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-122041 BINGO!!!!!!!! the un-holy trinity wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross singing "onward Christian soldiers" and our lemmings are like lambs to the slaughter.... are There NO adults in our government left who see this writing on the wall? or are they afraid of being labeled anti-American/ Christian/semite? if so, they need to step aside and let someone with balls take the wheel. I mean really , John Fricking McCain? Jesus Christ !!!! the man is delusional and somehow expects to buck 70% of our populations wishes to win the general election. IF this happens, it defies mathematical probabilities.. the one who promises us MOR WAR wins the general election? for a much better written piece on this read Pat Buchanan's blog on how McCain would be worse than Bush http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=925 BINGO!!!!!!!!
the un-holy trinity wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross singing “onward Christian soldiers” and our lemmings are like lambs to the slaughter….

are There NO adults in our government left who see this writing on the wall? or are they afraid of being labeled anti-American/ Christian/semite? if so, they need to step aside and let someone with balls take the wheel.

I mean really , John Fricking McCain? Jesus Christ !!!! the man is delusional and somehow expects to buck 70% of our populations wishes to win the general election. IF this happens, it defies mathematical probabilities.. the one who promises us MOR WAR wins the general election?

for a much better written piece on this read Pat Buchanan’s blog on how McCain would be worse than Bush

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=925

]]> By: G Hazeltine http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121770 G Hazeltine Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:39:04 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121770 Reasons for the destruction of Iraq, and the resulting chaos? There is very clear logic. Think very long term. Very long term. The Israelis, and their friends? - See Oded Yinon. The Evangelicals? -Necessary preparation for the Second Coming. The Miliitary Industrial Complex? - A 700 billion defense budget, not including Iraq or Afghanistan, black budgets, interest on previous budgets, 'homeland security' and so on and on, indefinitely. Reasons for the destruction of Iraq, and the resulting chaos? There is very clear logic. Think very long term. Very long term.

The Israelis, and their friends? – See Oded Yinon.

The Evangelicals? -Necessary preparation for the Second Coming.

The Miliitary Industrial Complex? – A 700 billion defense budget, not including Iraq or Afghanistan, black budgets, interest on previous budgets, ‘homeland security’ and so on and on, indefinitely.

]]> By: Delia http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121764 Delia Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:27:37 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121764 I'm not a psychologist, but I think the term is "minimizing cognitive dissonance." Many such people can't accept that the great City On The Hill, America, The Hope Of The World, would launch an aggressive war against a non-threatening state for unjust purposes and wage it by immoral means. All the rational and empirical evidence points that way, but such a conclusion threatens their core of being as they've always constituted it. Hence they will go to any lengths to twist the evidence in order to support that core. This is what happens if your primary values don't rest on anything deeper than "my country, right or wrong." And the people currently in power are doing everything they can to encourage them. I’m not a psychologist, but I think the term is “minimizing cognitive dissonance.” Many such people can’t accept that the great City On The Hill, America, The Hope Of The World, would launch an aggressive war against a non-threatening state for unjust purposes and wage it by immoral means. All the rational and empirical evidence points that way, but such a conclusion threatens their core of being as they’ve always constituted it. Hence they will go to any lengths to twist the evidence in order to support that core. This is what happens if your primary values don’t rest on anything deeper than “my country, right or wrong.”

And the people currently in power are doing everything they can to encourage them.

]]> By: Shirin http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121758 Shirin Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:13:42 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121758 "<i>he emphasized that “no one was saying there was no WMD” in Iraq and there was no intelligence collection that contended there was no WMD. </i>" In addition to the obviously bad logic, which you pointed out very nicely, this is not a true statement. A number of people were saying there were no WMD in Iraq, including some very well qualified people, such as Scott Ritter (I was saying it too, but my word on things like that doesn't carry a whole lot of weight, even with all my friends!). “he emphasized that “no one was saying there was no WMD” in Iraq and there was no intelligence collection that contended there was no WMD.
”

In addition to the obviously bad logic, which you pointed out very nicely, this is not a true statement. A number of people were saying there were no WMD in Iraq, including some very well qualified people, such as Scott Ritter (I was saying it too, but my word on things like that doesn’t carry a whole lot of weight, even with all my friends!).

]]> By: Donovan Fraser http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121732 Donovan Fraser Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:09:25 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121732 Just hang em high...all of them war crimes anyone? Just hang em high…all of them

war crimes anyone?

]]> By: Montag http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121717 Montag Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:46:00 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121717 Shirin, The joke is that when the British imposed "King Faisal" upon the Iraqis he had already been kicked off the coveted throne of Syria by the French, making Iraq the Booby Prize--of course his brother Abdullah got the Bargain Basement Booby Prize, Jordan. So this made Faisal a USED STOOGE. Shirin,
The joke is that when the British imposed “King Faisal” upon the Iraqis he had already been kicked off the coveted throne of Syria by the French, making Iraq the Booby Prize–of course his brother Abdullah got the Bargain Basement Booby Prize, Jordan. So this made Faisal a USED STOOGE.

]]> By: ybnormal http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121711 ybnormal Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:40:52 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121711 Wurmser makes no sense. <blockquote>Wurmser said that Cheney, Feith, and Bolton were convinced that U.S. containment of Saddam Hussein was failing and that the controls to keeping Saddam Hussein from expanding his regional influence were “dying.” ...to lead a “rogue coalition of nations to expel the United States from the region”</blockquote> Based on what? Rogue coalition of which nations? The neighboring nations who said Hussein was a regional pain in the ass? Then, is spite of previously saying "that there was never any discussion of WMD or terrorism as a reason for going to war", he come's up with: <blockquote>Finally, he emphasized that “no one was saying there was no WMD” in Iraq and there was no intelligence collection that contended there was no WMD.</blockquote> This argument fails, because it is a fundamental failure of logic. Logic matters. Simply stringing items together in pseudo-syllogism will not get you there. Notice how he implies that lack of proof of the absence of WMD infers it's existence. Logic 101 - non-existence is not provable, it can only be at most, a premise by observation. Note that there also is no intelligence collection to establish that there is no Santa Claus. That does not lead to the likelyhood of a notorious over-weight guy in red pajamas racing across the sky every Christmas, in a reindeer-drawn flying sled vehicle. Wurmser makes no sense.

Wurmser said that Cheney, Feith, and Bolton were convinced that U.S. containment of Saddam Hussein was failing and that the controls to keeping Saddam Hussein from expanding his regional influence were “dying.” …to lead a “rogue coalition of nations to expel the United States from the region”

Based on what? Rogue coalition of which nations? The neighboring nations who said Hussein was a regional pain in the ass?

Then, is spite of previously saying
“that there was never any discussion of WMD or terrorism as a reason for going to war”,
he come’s up with:

Finally, he emphasized that “no one was saying there was no WMD” in Iraq and there was no intelligence collection that contended there was no WMD.

This argument fails, because it is a fundamental failure of logic. Logic matters. Simply stringing items together in pseudo-syllogism will not get you there.

Notice how he implies that lack of proof of the absence of WMD infers it’s existence. Logic 101 – non-existence is not provable, it can only be at most, a premise by observation.

Note that there also is no intelligence collection to establish that there is no Santa Claus. That does not lead to the likelyhood of a notorious over-weight guy in red pajamas racing across the sky every Christmas, in a reindeer-drawn flying sled vehicle.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121667 Kathleen Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:52:43 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121667 Yeah and Wolfowitz is back...I am with John Dean Impeach these psychopaths so that they can not slip back into a future administration. But as you point out they have never gone away. Yeah and Wolfowitz is back…I am with John Dean Impeach these psychopaths so that they can not slip back into a future administration. But as you point out they have never gone away.

]]> By: Kathleen http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121664 Kathleen Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:49:50 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/a-neocon-finally-offers-the-first-geopolitical-justification-for-the-iraq-war/#comment-121664 Revisionist for sure. This right wing neo theo oil cons are a sick group of psychopaths. Revisionist for sure. This right wing neo theo oil cons are a sick group of psychopaths.

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