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		<title>By: Cee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-122659</link>
		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rove, the 9/11 Commission Bombshell

http://www.atlargely.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rove, the 9/11 Commission Bombshell</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121924</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp01292008.html
A Sibel Edmonds Timeline
“We Can’t Afford to Let Them Spill the Beans”

By GARY LEUPP</description>
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A Sibel Edmonds Timeline<br />
“We Can’t Afford to Let Them Spill the Beans”</p>
<p>By GARY LEUPP</p>
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		<title>By: G Hazeltine</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121908</link>
		<dc:creator>G Hazeltine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also see Joseph Stiglitz:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/wef/article3220961.ece

It does not look good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also see Joseph Stiglitz:</p>
<p><a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/wef/article3220961.ece" rel="nofollow">http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/wef/article3220961.ece</a></p>
<p>It does not look good.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121853</link>
		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a good reason that most of us are not stockpiling canned goods ( toilet paper will be more valuable).  We don't have anything left on our credit cards to charge the goods with.  And our loverly credit card companies are unilaterally upping our interest rates if we are current on our monthlies and not spending up to the limit.  It also doesn't help that food inflation is about 20% this quarter.  Gasoline inflation is a bit less this month where I live.  Have you received a raise recently? a COLA adjustment that was in line with the true inflation rate? Your bank raised its saving rate to attrack you to save?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a good reason that most of us are not stockpiling canned goods ( toilet paper will be more valuable).  We don&#8217;t have anything left on our credit cards to charge the goods with.  And our loverly credit card companies are unilaterally upping our interest rates if we are current on our monthlies and not spending up to the limit.  It also doesn&#8217;t help that food inflation is about 20% this quarter.  Gasoline inflation is a bit less this month where I live.  Have you received a raise recently? a COLA adjustment that was in line with the true inflation rate? Your bank raised its saving rate to attrack you to save?</p>
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		<title>By: G Hazeltine</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121830</link>
		<dc:creator>G Hazeltine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/01/27/the_black_box_economy/?page=full

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&lt;strong&gt;The black box economy
Behind the recent bad news lurks a much deeper concern: The world economy is now being driven by a vast, secretive web of investments that might be out of anyone's control.&lt;/strong&gt;

THE PAST YEAR has been a harrowing one for the world's financial markets, shaken by subprime crises, credit crunches, and other ills. Things have only gotten stranger in the past week, with stock prices swinging wildly in every major market - drastically down, then back up.

Last week the Federal Reserve announced the biggest cut in overnight lending rates in more than two decades. Congress, not to be outdone, is slapping together a massive deficit spending package aimed at giving the economy an emergency booster shot.

Despite the anxiety, nobody is stockpiling canned goods just yet. The prevailing assumption in today's economy is that recessions and bear markets come and go, and that things will work out in the end, much as they have since the Great Depression. That's because there's a collective confidence that the market is strong enough to correct itself, and that experts in charge of the financial system will understand how to mount a vigorous defense.

Should we be so confident this time? A handful of financial theorists and thinkers are now saying we shouldn't. The drumbeat of bad news over the past year, they say, is only a symptom of something new and unsettling - a deeper change in the financial system that may leave regulators, and even Congress, powerless when they try to wield their usual tools.
…&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Boston Globe:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/01/27/the_black_box_economy/?page=full" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/01/27/the_black_box_economy/?page=full</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
<strong>The black box economy<br />
Behind the recent bad news lurks a much deeper concern: The world economy is now being driven by a vast, secretive web of investments that might be out of anyone&#8217;s control.</strong></p>
<p>THE PAST YEAR has been a harrowing one for the world&#8217;s financial markets, shaken by subprime crises, credit crunches, and other ills. Things have only gotten stranger in the past week, with stock prices swinging wildly in every major market - drastically down, then back up.</p>
<p>Last week the Federal Reserve announced the biggest cut in overnight lending rates in more than two decades. Congress, not to be outdone, is slapping together a massive deficit spending package aimed at giving the economy an emergency booster shot.</p>
<p>Despite the anxiety, nobody is stockpiling canned goods just yet. The prevailing assumption in today&#8217;s economy is that recessions and bear markets come and go, and that things will work out in the end, much as they have since the Great Depression. That&#8217;s because there&#8217;s a collective confidence that the market is strong enough to correct itself, and that experts in charge of the financial system will understand how to mount a vigorous defense.</p>
<p>Should we be so confident this time? A handful of financial theorists and thinkers are now saying we shouldn&#8217;t. The drumbeat of bad news over the past year, they say, is only a symptom of something new and unsettling - a deeper change in the financial system that may leave regulators, and even Congress, powerless when they try to wield their usual tools.<br />
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		<title>By: CK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine for a moment that you are a bank.
Imagine that the magic printing press puts oodles ( scientific term ) of new money into your account at the Central bank.  Whoa your bank is suddenly very liquid.  Now being liquid is all fine and dandy but that liquid decreases in value by 5%/year because the magic printing press keeps printing more of it and putting it in other bank's accounts at the central bank. 
So you Mr Bank have a job to do, you must lend that money ... profitably.  So you look around for worthy borrowers, you do your due diligence on them, and find that NOT ONE OF THEM is solvent.  If you lend out this magic money to any of the possible borrowers your expectation is that the borrower will be unable to repay.  ( Money down a rathole is the scientific term ).  Even at a fantasy rate of 3% /annum interest, the borrowers out there look to be unable to repay any loans. ( Why can't they repay you ask?  Because they are not producing anything anyone wants to purchase or building anything anyone wants to invest in.)  
There is no crisis in liquidity, there is an insolvency crisis, a going out of business crisis, a bankruptcy crisis and putting more money in the hands of you Mr. Bank is not going to make those folks going bankrupt, going out of business, sending in "jingle mail" any more solvent.  The Fed can lower the rate to 0% emulating our direst enemy the Japanese and it will still not make the current creditors any more solvent.  
Add to that problem Mr. Bank that the magic currency you have is no longer the only currency used in international trade.  The $ is rapidly moving back to being a LOCAL currency. The dollar is now only propped up by two things: 1) The arab states willingness to import american inflation simultaneously with losing 5% per year compouded in purchasing power on their current holdings of dollars, 2) the necessity for CHina, Iran and other nations to divest themselves quietly and cautiously of $ without causing a complete rush to the exits by everyone else holding dollars simultaneously.
Imagine you are a bank ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine for a moment that you are a bank.<br />
Imagine that the magic printing press puts oodles ( scientific term ) of new money into your account at the Central bank.  Whoa your bank is suddenly very liquid.  Now being liquid is all fine and dandy but that liquid decreases in value by 5%/year because the magic printing press keeps printing more of it and putting it in other bank&#8217;s accounts at the central bank.<br />
So you Mr Bank have a job to do, you must lend that money &#8230; profitably.  So you look around for worthy borrowers, you do your due diligence on them, and find that NOT ONE OF THEM is solvent.  If you lend out this magic money to any of the possible borrowers your expectation is that the borrower will be unable to repay.  ( Money down a rathole is the scientific term ).  Even at a fantasy rate of 3% /annum interest, the borrowers out there look to be unable to repay any loans. ( Why can&#8217;t they repay you ask?  Because they are not producing anything anyone wants to purchase or building anything anyone wants to invest in.)<br />
There is no crisis in liquidity, there is an insolvency crisis, a going out of business crisis, a bankruptcy crisis and putting more money in the hands of you Mr. Bank is not going to make those folks going bankrupt, going out of business, sending in &#8220;jingle mail&#8221; any more solvent.  The Fed can lower the rate to 0% emulating our direst enemy the Japanese and it will still not make the current creditors any more solvent.<br />
Add to that problem Mr. Bank that the magic currency you have is no longer the only currency used in international trade.  The $ is rapidly moving back to being a LOCAL currency. The dollar is now only propped up by two things: 1) The arab states willingness to import american inflation simultaneously with losing 5% per year compouded in purchasing power on their current holdings of dollars, 2) the necessity for CHina, Iran and other nations to divest themselves quietly and cautiously of $ without causing a complete rush to the exits by everyone else holding dollars simultaneously.<br />
Imagine you are a bank &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S.Markom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121767</link>
		<dc:creator>S.Markom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am beginning to believe that Bill Clinton is intentionally sabotaging his wife’s campaign with dumb remarks like this:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bill-we-just-ha.html

and deals like this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?ei=5065&amp;en=6a843530898e147a&amp;ex=1202446800&amp;partner=MYWAY&amp;pagewanted=print</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to believe that Bill Clinton is intentionally sabotaging his wife’s campaign with dumb remarks like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bill-we-just-ha.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bill-we-just-ha.html</a></p>
<p>and deals like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?ei=5065&amp;en=6a843530898e147a&amp;ex=1202446800&amp;partner=MYWAY&amp;pagewanted=print" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?ei=5065&amp;en=6a843530898e147a&amp;ex=1202446800&amp;partner=MYWAY&amp;pagewanted=print</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sometime-CIA-Defender</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121766</link>
		<dc:creator>Sometime-CIA-Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two interesting articles today from CREW - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington:

&lt;a HREF="http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30771 " rel="nofollow"&gt; White House Filing in CREW Lawsuit Admits to Destroying Back-Up Copies of Emails&lt;/a&gt;

Yesterday’s midnight filing by the White House in CREW v. Executive Office of the President, a lawsuit challenging the failure of the White House to preserve and restore millions of missing emails, raises some very troubling questions that the White House clearly does not want to answer.

The White House has now admitted that it does not have an effective system for storing and preserving emails. This is no mere technicality; it is this failure that led to the likely destruction of over 10 million email. What the White House has not explained is why it abandoned the electronic record-keeping system used by the prior administration -- a system that properly preserved White House email -- but did not replace it with another effective and appropriate system.

...

&lt;a HREF="http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30910" rel="nofollow"&gt;CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS CALL ON MUKASEY TO RESCIND BUSH MEMO AUTHORIZING POLITICIZATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION&lt;/a&gt;

Washington, DC – This morning, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights (LCCR) hosted a press conference call with the NAACP and MALDEF to demand that U.S. Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey rescind a Bush legal memo that authorized deceptive appointments of exclusively partisan Republicans to the bipartisan Civil Rights Commission.

The letter, signed by LCCR, CREW, NAACP, MALDEF, National Women’s Law Center, National Partnership for Women &amp; Families, Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, National Congress of American Indians and the ACLU is online:

&lt;a HREF="http://www.civilrights.org/library/advocacy-letters/usccr-letter.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.civilrights.org/library/advocacy-letters/usccr-letter.html&lt;/a&gt;

In order to circumvent the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the Bush Justice Department wrote a memo allowing Republican members of the Commission to switch their party affiliation to “independent.” That allowed the president to appoint more Republicans to the bipartisan eight person commission under the guise that they were somehow “independent,” allowing the Bush administration to circumvent the law requiring that no more than four members of any party serve on the commission.

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two interesting articles today from CREW - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington:</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30771 " rel="nofollow"> White House Filing in CREW Lawsuit Admits to Destroying Back-Up Copies of Emails</a></p>
<p>Yesterday’s midnight filing by the White House in CREW v. Executive Office of the President, a lawsuit challenging the failure of the White House to preserve and restore millions of missing emails, raises some very troubling questions that the White House clearly does not want to answer.</p>
<p>The White House has now admitted that it does not have an effective system for storing and preserving emails. This is no mere technicality; it is this failure that led to the likely destruction of over 10 million email. What the White House has not explained is why it abandoned the electronic record-keeping system used by the prior administration &#8212; a system that properly preserved White House email &#8212; but did not replace it with another effective and appropriate system.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30910" rel="nofollow">CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS CALL ON MUKASEY TO RESCIND BUSH MEMO AUTHORIZING POLITICIZATION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS COMMISSION</a></p>
<p>Washington, DC – This morning, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights (LCCR) hosted a press conference call with the NAACP and MALDEF to demand that U.S. Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey rescind a Bush legal memo that authorized deceptive appointments of exclusively partisan Republicans to the bipartisan Civil Rights Commission.</p>
<p>The letter, signed by LCCR, CREW, NAACP, MALDEF, National Women’s Law Center, National Partnership for Women &amp; Families, Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, National Congress of American Indians and the ACLU is online:</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.civilrights.org/library/advocacy-letters/usccr-letter.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.civilrights.org/library/advocacy-letters/usccr-letter.html</a></p>
<p>In order to circumvent the Civil Rights Act of 1957, the Bush Justice Department wrote a memo allowing Republican members of the Commission to switch their party affiliation to “independent.” That allowed the president to appoint more Republicans to the bipartisan eight person commission under the guise that they were somehow “independent,” allowing the Bush administration to circumvent the law requiring that no more than four members of any party serve on the commission.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TeakwoodKite</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeakwoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;there must be SOME difference&lt;/em&gt;

I saw an add last eve that said a candidate was indorsed by 3 papers...It neglected to mention they were all own by the same parent company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>there must be SOME difference</em></p>
<p>I saw an add last eve that said a candidate was indorsed by 3 papers&#8230;It neglected to mention they were all own by the same parent company.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn Greenwald on yesterdays waterboarding/torture hearing

 "All day long, in response to Mukasey's insistence that patent illegalities were legal, that Congress was basically powerless, and that the administration has no obligation to disclose anything to Congress (and will not), Senators would respond with impotent comments such as: "Well, I'd like to note my disagreement and ask you to re-consider" or "I'm disappointed with your answer and was hoping you would say something different" or "If that's your position, we'll be discussing this again at another point." They were supplicants pleading for some consideration, almost out of a sense of mercy, and both they and Mukasey knew it.

Mukasey can go and casually tell them to their faces that the President has the right to violate their laws and that Congress has no power to do anything about it. And nothing is going to happen. And everyone -- the Senators, Bush officials, the country -- knows that nothing is going to happen. There is nothing too extreme that Mukasey could say to those Senators that would prompt any consequences greater than some sighing and sorrowful expressions of disapproval. We now live in a country where the President -- and those acting at his behest (see Lewis Libby, AT&amp;T, and Verizon)-- have the power to break the law and ignore Congress and every other aspect of government, and can do so with impunity." 


A must read
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/31/mukasey/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Greenwald on yesterdays waterboarding/torture hearing</p>
<p> &#8220;All day long, in response to Mukasey&#8217;s insistence that patent illegalities were legal, that Congress was basically powerless, and that the administration has no obligation to disclose anything to Congress (and will not), Senators would respond with impotent comments such as: &#8220;Well, I&#8217;d like to note my disagreement and ask you to re-consider&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;m disappointed with your answer and was hoping you would say something different&#8221; or &#8220;If that&#8217;s your position, we&#8217;ll be discussing this again at another point.&#8221; They were supplicants pleading for some consideration, almost out of a sense of mercy, and both they and Mukasey knew it.</p>
<p>Mukasey can go and casually tell them to their faces that the President has the right to violate their laws and that Congress has no power to do anything about it. And nothing is going to happen. And everyone &#8212; the Senators, Bush officials, the country &#8212; knows that nothing is going to happen. There is nothing too extreme that Mukasey could say to those Senators that would prompt any consequences greater than some sighing and sorrowful expressions of disapproval. We now live in a country where the President &#8212; and those acting at his behest (see Lewis Libby, AT&amp;T, and Verizon)&#8211; have the power to break the law and ignore Congress and every other aspect of government, and can do so with impunity.&#8221; </p>
<p>A must read<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/31/mukasey/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/31/mukasey/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fred C. Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred C. Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, you think ABC is a journalistic entity? Even before they were entertainment (Disney) they were owned by Capital Cities, whose honcho was William Casey.

For those under 35, Casey was Ronnie Dimwit's CIA chief, a real Cold Warrior who styled himself cut from Allen Dulles flannel.

His stupidity resulted in a lot of dead Marines in Beirut.

The difference between ABC and Fox is...well... there  must be SOME difference...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, you think ABC is a journalistic entity? Even before they were entertainment (Disney) they were owned by Capital Cities, whose honcho was William Casey.</p>
<p>For those under 35, Casey was Ronnie Dimwit&#8217;s CIA chief, a real Cold Warrior who styled himself cut from Allen Dulles flannel.</p>
<p>His stupidity resulted in a lot of dead Marines in Beirut.</p>
<p>The difference between ABC and Fox is&#8230;well&#8230; there  must be SOME difference&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Holbrooke up on Afghanistan hearing

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Holbrooke up on Afghanistan hearing</p>
<p><a href="http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS3" rel="nofollow">http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&amp;Code=CS3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton, Obama in race for Edwards' voters

BY GLENN THRUSH &#124; glenn.thrush@newsday.com
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usedwa0131,0,3879544.story

What Hillary Or Obama Have to Do To Win My Support/Vote




I  am terribly sad that Edwards has dropped out.  But what I want to share is what Senator's Clinton or Obama have to do to get this 55 year old soccer moms vote.

Hillary voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment in Oct of 2007, Obama  just happened to be our of town the day of this critical vote. (yeah right Obama is an anti war candidate)  Why did he choose to miss this opportunity to demonstrate that he is indeed against any more unnecessary warmongering against Iran or any other nation in the middle east that has not threatened the U.S.  They both lost me over this warmongering amendment.

If either one comes out in strong support of diplomacy with Iran, Syria and are willing to be far more fair and balanced on the Israeli Palestinian conflict...they will have me.  

Until then not sure who I will vote for.
you tube clip that explains the Kyl Lieberman amendment or you can go read the amendment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_6CB-3qj 8Y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton, Obama in race for Edwards&#8217; voters</p>
<p>BY GLENN THRUSH | <a href="mailto:glenn.thrush@newsday.com">glenn.thrush@newsday.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usedwa0131,0,3879544.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usedwa0131,0,3879544.story</a></p>
<p>What Hillary Or Obama Have to Do To Win My Support/Vote</p>
<p>I  am terribly sad that Edwards has dropped out.  But what I want to share is what Senator&#8217;s Clinton or Obama have to do to get this 55 year old soccer moms vote.</p>
<p>Hillary voted for the Kyl Lieberman amendment in Oct of 2007, Obama  just happened to be our of town the day of this critical vote. (yeah right Obama is an anti war candidate)  Why did he choose to miss this opportunity to demonstrate that he is indeed against any more unnecessary warmongering against Iran or any other nation in the middle east that has not threatened the U.S.  They both lost me over this warmongering amendment.</p>
<p>If either one comes out in strong support of diplomacy with Iran, Syria and are willing to be far more fair and balanced on the Israeli Palestinian conflict&#8230;they will have me.  </p>
<p>Until then not sure who I will vote for.<br />
you tube clip that explains the Kyl Lieberman amendment or you can go read the amendment<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_6CB-3qj" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_6CB-3qj</a> 8Y</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emptywheel is amazing...she is committed to justice</description>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121683</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Whitehouse was hammered on C-Span's Washington Journal this morning.  The screener seemed quite lop-sided in who they they let through.  There were four people who got through during the half hour who hammered Whitehouse for "airing the U.S.'s dirty laundry for our enemies to see".  There was one question from a woman in support of congressional oversight.

Here were my questions

1.  Will Whitehouse get that private meeting that he requested of Mukasey to discuss the "concrete facts and circumstances" having to do with the  would not be "if's" in a private setting.


2.  Were the individuals who conducted the "enhanced techniques" contractors?  (Larry has eluded to this)

3.  Are there tapes that have not been destroyed?
During the hearing Senator Leahy indicated that there were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Whitehouse was hammered on C-Span&#8217;s Washington Journal this morning.  The screener seemed quite lop-sided in who they they let through.  There were four people who got through during the half hour who hammered Whitehouse for &#8220;airing the U.S.&#8217;s dirty laundry for our enemies to see&#8221;.  There was one question from a woman in support of congressional oversight.</p>
<p>Here were my questions</p>
<p>1.  Will Whitehouse get that private meeting that he requested of Mukasey to discuss the &#8220;concrete facts and circumstances&#8221; having to do with the  would not be &#8220;if&#8217;s&#8221; in a private setting.</p>
<p>2.  Were the individuals who conducted the &#8220;enhanced techniques&#8221; contractors?  (Larry has eluded to this)</p>
<p>3.  Are there tapes that have not been destroyed?<br />
During the hearing Senator Leahy indicated that there were.</p>
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		<title>By: dzoner</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121680</link>
		<dc:creator>dzoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just watched the 10 AM MSNBC news. By minute 8 I fully expected a small BO pop up to appear saying "I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message". Multiple cuts of him speaking next to Carolyn Kennedy about his great future for all of us plan, pans of large a audience cheering behind, then his MS reporter starting to rave and the moment they lost contact with her a quick switch to a Barack punitive who responded to Amy Robach suggestion that don't the Clintons want a return to the good days of the 90's with an answer that it was a different world back then and they’re out of touch with the present world and Barak is the future. As noted all this with continuous shots of BO speaking in the back ground. The report is finished with a posting and reading of the NY Post’s Barack endorsement.  At about minute 8 we switch to Hillary Clinton. What do we get? Scenes of HC serving peach cobbler on an airplane, a discussion of whether or not she made it or bought it, then finally scenes of her meeting with a black Elvis impersonator.  
   On the other side its clearly McCain, McCain, McCain. I believe Mitt is beginning to know what its like to be  “Clintonized”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just watched the 10 AM MSNBC news. By minute 8 I fully expected a small BO pop up to appear saying &#8220;I&#8217;m Barack Obama and I approve this message&#8221;. Multiple cuts of him speaking next to Carolyn Kennedy about his great future for all of us plan, pans of large a audience cheering behind, then his MS reporter starting to rave and the moment they lost contact with her a quick switch to a Barack punitive who responded to Amy Robach suggestion that don&#8217;t the Clintons want a return to the good days of the 90&#8217;s with an answer that it was a different world back then and they’re out of touch with the present world and Barak is the future. As noted all this with continuous shots of BO speaking in the back ground. The report is finished with a posting and reading of the NY Post’s Barack endorsement.  At about minute 8 we switch to Hillary Clinton. What do we get? Scenes of HC serving peach cobbler on an airplane, a discussion of whether or not she made it or bought it, then finally scenes of her meeting with a black Elvis impersonator.<br />
   On the other side its clearly McCain, McCain, McCain. I believe Mitt is beginning to know what its like to be  “Clintonized”.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121678</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Edwards kept bringing this up!  When will we hear congress talk about taxing these record breaking profits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Edwards kept bringing this up!  When will we hear congress talk about taxing these record breaking profits?</p>
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		<title>By: grtphoto</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121672</link>
		<dc:creator>grtphoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you susan,
I have fwd this onto many others.  I love this site more and more each day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you susan,<br />
I have fwd this onto many others.  I love this site more and more each day.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121671</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are discussing Afghanistan on C-span right now

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs.....8;Code=CS3

This discussion about Afghanistan is about three years late. I have been hearing weekly reports from a young man from Afghanistan studying here in the states on a Fulbright for two and a half years (he communicates with his very large family in Afghanistan weekly) that the situation in Afghanistan has progressively been getting worse.
Almost seems like they want to lose.

Senator Hagel asked how much money has been spent in Afghanistan since our invasion.  The answer from the expert 25 billion.  That is three months of what is being spent in Iraq.  WTF

Why not subsidize all of those poppy farmers for five years and get them off the "narco economy"?  Well maybe because the International mafia does not want the Afghani farmers off of this teat?  

My friend from Afghanistan has said that most of the orchards that many of these farmers relied on before Russia invaded were destroyed by Russia during the war.

Why not tap into the 52 students from Afghanstan who are studying here in the states on Fulbrights?  Why not tap into what they know?  My young friend worked in Narco terroism when he lived in Afghanistan he is going back there.  Why not tap into what these young Afghani's know will help with the Afghani infrastructure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are discussing Afghanistan on C-span right now</p>
<p><a href="http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs.....8;Code=CS3" rel="nofollow">http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs&#8230;..8;Code=CS3</a></p>
<p>This discussion about Afghanistan is about three years late. I have been hearing weekly reports from a young man from Afghanistan studying here in the states on a Fulbright for two and a half years (he communicates with his very large family in Afghanistan weekly) that the situation in Afghanistan has progressively been getting worse.<br />
Almost seems like they want to lose.</p>
<p>Senator Hagel asked how much money has been spent in Afghanistan since our invasion.  The answer from the expert 25 billion.  That is three months of what is being spent in Iraq.  WTF</p>
<p>Why not subsidize all of those poppy farmers for five years and get them off the &#8220;narco economy&#8221;?  Well maybe because the International mafia does not want the Afghani farmers off of this teat?  </p>
<p>My friend from Afghanistan has said that most of the orchards that many of these farmers relied on before Russia invaded were destroyed by Russia during the war.</p>
<p>Why not tap into the 52 students from Afghanstan who are studying here in the states on Fulbrights?  Why not tap into what they know?  My young friend worked in Narco terroism when he lived in Afghanistan he is going back there.  Why not tap into what these young Afghani&#8217;s know will help with the Afghani infrastructure?</p>
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		<title>By: BernieO</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/30/another-humpday-wide-open-thread/#comment-121611</link>
		<dc:creator>BernieO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC news has this story about Hillary not supporting unions when she served on the board of Walmart. They did not bother to tell the things she did accomplish. I tried posting this message, but have a glitch. I did submit a complaint to ABC. TPM, too since Josh is linking to it. Here is the ABC link.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&amp;page=1

"Everyone needs to read this much more balanced description of Hillary's tenure on the Walmart board. She was the only one on the board who was pro union, so instead of wasting time fighting windmills, she pushed them on womens issues and the environment. She actually had a lot of success getting Walmart to be greener. Walmart pressured suppliers to reduce packaging, they  improved energy efficiency and even opend an model green store in Kansas.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin
More impressively, Hillary used the credibility she had gained with Walmart Founger Sam Walton to get him to help build support for a CORPORATE TAX to support a major reform of Arkansas then terrible education system. This is nothing short of a miracle in my book, but she gets no credit for what she accomplished, just disparagement for not doing the impossible.
Did ABC not bother to get all the facts or did they just decide not to tell their audience?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABC news has this story about Hillary not supporting unions when she served on the board of Walmart. They did not bother to tell the things she did accomplish. I tried posting this message, but have a glitch. I did submit a complaint to ABC. TPM, too since Josh is linking to it. Here is the ABC link.<br />
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&amp;page=1</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone needs to read this much more balanced description of Hillary&#8217;s tenure on the Walmart board. She was the only one on the board who was pro union, so instead of wasting time fighting windmills, she pushed them on womens issues and the environment. She actually had a lot of success getting Walmart to be greener. Walmart pressured suppliers to reduce packaging, they  improved energy efficiency and even opend an model green store in Kansas.<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin</a><br />
More impressively, Hillary used the credibility she had gained with Walmart Founger Sam Walton to get him to help build support for a CORPORATE TAX to support a major reform of Arkansas then terrible education system. This is nothing short of a miracle in my book, but she gets no credit for what she accomplished, just disparagement for not doing the impossible.<br />
Did ABC not bother to get all the facts or did they just decide not to tell their audience?&#8221;</p>
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