Common Sense + Expert Opinions on Obama’s Dangerously Flawed Health Care Plan
By SusanUnPC on February 2, 2008 at 2:17 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Health Care, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards
| In Thursday’s debate — as he did in previous debates for which Edwards excorciated him — Barack Obama defended the failure of his health plan to cover 15 million people. Obama thinks that giving Americans a CHOICE is superior to a mandated plan. Below are experts’ must-read opinions on why Obama’s thinking is so flawed. |
First, though, let me opine for a minute. Steve Clemons writes at Huffington Post that he received this argument for choice from an Obama surrogate:
We as a nation have to decide, do we want to be forced to pay for universal medical insurance, like we are mandated to pay for auto insurance now? Or would we rather have the option of CHOICE — to be able to decide whether or not we want to buy our medical coverage when we think the time is right?
Barack Obama’s plan thoughtfully does not want to put another mandated cost, like auto insurance, on the backs of the people, especially the young, who already have college costs to contend with. However, the coverage is always there for you, if and when you need it. That is our decision and our choice!
WTF??? So if some drugged-up 17-year-old hits my car on the highway, it’s okay with Barack Obama that he doesn’t have car insurance (even though it’s required by law)? And that my county’s hospital (whose budget is already stretched to the max) will have to eat the costs of his emergency and long-term care? So it’s okay that I have to pay extra on my own policy to cover uninsured motorists?
Then there’s that “the young” — who are healthy, presumably — don’t need mandated health insurance, which ironically is one of Tucker Carlson’s favorite arguments against universal care. What will happen when those “young” are hit by a car or injured while playing a sport? What if they have diabetes or high blood pressure — two ailments becoming more common among the young that go undiagnosed and under-treated until the problems become so severe that the health costs are enormous? What will happen is that we TAXPAYERS, as well as their parents and spouses — and my struggling county hospital, and other public institutions like it — will have to cover their enormous medical expenses. Whereas, if they’d had John Edwards’ or Hillary Clinton’s insurance, they would have been fully covered.
Then there’s the deadliest effect of the deficiency of Obama’s plan, expressed by Ezra Klein:
The problem isn’t that it leaves people out, but that it effectively closes off his ability to regulate the insurance industry, and opens up a flaw that could bring down his whole proposal.
Hey, this is plain ol’ common sense. It’s why we all want every driver to be insured! Now let’s check out the opinion, and essential reasoning, of the experts on the flaws in Obama’s health care plan:
Ezra Klein, “OBAMA’S “HARRY AND LOUISE” AD,” The Prospect:
A mandate is not how you cover everyone, it’s how you force insurers to cover everyone, and discriminate against no one. And even if you don’t have a mandate in your plan, to argue against universal mechanisms because they force people to buy insurance is supremely damaging to the long-term goal, which Obama professes support for, of some system in which everyone is, and has to be, covered.
In the end, his plan is not universal, does not attempt to be, and is probably less generous in its affordability provisions than Clinton’s. And even so, I wouldn’t really care, as it’s still a pretty good plan, except that he’s decided to respond to the inadequacies of his own policy by fear-mongering against not only better policy, but the type of policy he’s probably going to have to eventually adopt. It’s very, very short-sighted.
Note: I have more below on Obama’s “fear-mongering” campaign with a nasty mailer he sent out attacking Clinton’s health plan, which harkens back to the Harry & Louise campaign in 1993 led by the huge insurance and pharmaceutical corporations.
Also: To quote from Ezra Klein’s piece is to do it an injustice. It must be read in full. (I bet John Edwards watched that debate Thursday night, and would have given anything to have torn into Obama over his idiotic thinking that caters to corporations rather than to all Americans.)
Steve Clemons, “Note to Barack Obama: Choice is the Problem, Not the Fix in Health Insurance,” Huffington Post, February 1, 2008:
Choice means that many who are healthy and don’t have insurance don’t kick into a system that would help subsidize the less well-off economically and those who may be ill. Thus, insurers want to cherry-pick among those they want in their portfolios and want to avoid covering those at the lower end of the spectrum.
Including the non-participants in a comprehensive program would make everyone’s costs decline on average, but you need full participation.
The Urban Institute, February 1, 2008:
In this brief we conclude that, absent a single payer system, it is not possible to achieve universal coverage without an individual mandate. The evidence is strong that voluntary measures alone would leave large numbers of people uninsured. Voluntary measures would tend to enroll disproportionate numbers of individuals with higher cost health problems, creating high premiums and instability in the insurance pools in which they are enrolled, unless further significant government subsidization is provided. The government would also have difficulty redirecting current spending on the uninsured to offset some of the cost associated with a new program without universal coverage.
Paul Krugman, Princeton University economist and columnist for the New York Times, “Obama Does Harry and Louise Again…,” February 1, 2008:
The Obama campaign sends out an ugly mailer. Sorry, but this is just destructive — like the Obama plan, the Clinton plan offers subsidies to lower-income families. And BO himself has conceded that he might have to penalize people who don’t buy insurance until they need care.
Here is that mailer:
As the Clinton campaign’s Fact Hub noted yesterday:
In 1993, the health insurance industry spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to scare people into opposing universal health care. Here’s a screen shot from the infamous Harry and Louise ad:
[Image of Harry & Louise ad]
Now, Sen. Obama is sending mail to voters around the country, using the exact same tactics [...]
Sen. Obama fails to mention Hillary’s plan cuts costs just as aggressively as Sen. Obama, if not more so.
Hillary’s plan contains more generous subsidies than the Obama plan. Noted health expert Ken Thorpe of Emory University concluded that under the Hillary plan, everyone will be able to afford coverage.
The Obama plan leaves 15 million people out, which drives up costs because everyone else ends up subsidizing their emergency care.
Besides the experts I’ve cited above, the Denver Post weighed in yesterday in its endorsement of Hillary Clinton:
Obama has criticized Clinton’s health care plan because it requires citizens to buy coverage while subsidizing low-income workers. But Obama’s voluntary plan simply won’t work, any more than a voluntary Social Security plan could work. By allowing seemingly healthy people to avoid buying insurance, Obama would simply saddle the taxpayers with the costs of their care if and when they are stricken by such catastrophic illnesses as cancer.
For more, please see Alegre’s excellent diary at Daily Kos.




















I can’t believe Obama is still demagoguing his flawed plan. That tells me a lot about his honesty, and it should tell every voter. I really hope they are paying attention. If he’s lying about this, what else is he lying about?
He’s lying about a lot.
He’s also giving the Republicans a huge advantage in any debate about health care — both in a general election race and if by some chance he gets to the White House. He’ll have to cave to more and more Republican demands.
Imho, what he SHOULD have done is to have corrected his flawed plan.
So, why didn’t he? Is it partly because of those “conservative economists” who advise him? Is it to cater to the corporate interests he pretends he doesn’t help all the time, but in fact does?
He should have listened the Michelle Obama when interview on “Cant Never No”, in which she stated “we can’t play that game”. Obama is green as freshcut Hickory. So watch as Obama will not even take John Edwards healtcare talking points to heart. Mr. McGovern’s words ring hollow to Obama.
Obama’s honesty is flawed about the health plan and about his land deal kickback in Chicago from indicted felon and Obama patron Tony Rezko coming to trial feb 25th.
Obama has been mentored and both elections to state and US Senate were bankrolled by Rezko. When Obama
approved slumlord rezko’s rehabs with government subsidies for rehabbing slums in Obama’s district…..Rezko stopped giving heat,repairs, and non payment of mortgages. Thousands of apartments went into forclosure and went empty.
Obama’s sweetheart real estate deal as favor to Obama is all outlined in Chicago Sun Times by team headed by Tim Novak. This story may develop even more legs as Tony Rezko goes to trial on Feb 25 for corruption, kickbacks, and fraud. Obama accepted $300,000 land deal as Rezko was being investigated prior to his federal indictment. There’s amazingly much more but so far he’s been teflon. His health care is designed to avoid universal healthcare. We cannot drive without car insurance and this has even greater implications.
For Chicago Sun Times investigative series on Obama and Rezko, go to: http://www.suntimes.com and access Obama Archives.
Running against Universal Health Care, which is what he’s actually doing, is a despicable thing for a democrat. His lying about it makes it even worse and I doubt he can be trusted with anything.
He is lying about health care, but also NYTimes article about his ties to lobbyist for Exelon, USA’s largest nuclear pant operators. Exelon is situated in Illinois. Times covered it 2 days ago. Obama lied in first 2 debates and angrily declared he takes no money from lobbyists. He received close to $300,000 from Exelon lobbyist, and $74,350.00 from Exelon.
read http://www.suntimes.com Chicago SunTimes has series of invesatigative articles on Obama and corrupt donor awaiting trial. access Obama archives.
Has Obama said anything about the 1.8 billion dollar energy project in Illinois that got yanked for political reasons by the Bushman?
Seems like a no brainer to stump that one for “Clean” energy. I have not heard a word from him about it. Unless the $300,000 from Exelon would like a conflict of interest. I can’t imagine what CEO Mr Rowe of Exelon is feeling after leaving the drive-up one burger short of a deal.
Thank God there is at least one Democrat running for the Democratic nomination. Go Hillary!!!!!
Obama’s plan would allow people to opt in and out of coverage, as I understand it. That will never work. It would be like allowing people to decide if they wanted to participate in Social Security. It has to be everyone or it won’t work.
When Social Security was in it’s infancy there were lots of people that were outraged that anyone would “dare” force them into compliance. But the government then had the courage to see that it wouldn’t be effective with everyone being included.
Does anyone think for one moment that Obama has that kind of courage? Or that if his pals “across the aisle” would go along with forcing everyone to comply. Bull! If Obama is half as smart as he’s supposed to be he knows his plan is junk!
Excellent analogy with Social Security. The 80th GOP Congress in 1948 attempted to weaken SS by exempting independent salesman and contractors. Harry S. Truman vetoed the bill (and later had his veto overridden by the GOP Congress).
Of course, it will be different with President Obama. The GOP will see his vision of hope and that we really are one nation and thus go along with everything he says. No need to stand up for what you believe in and divide the country like that “Give ‘em Hell, Harry did.”
Give ‘em hell, Hill. It is the only way we will get decent health care.
I agree with Maxine Waters, we don’t need “hope”, we need “help”! Best line I’ve heard in a long time.
kenoshaMarge: For you and yours (repeated 50 million times) we need health care. The idea of turning a profit on misfortune and misery should not even merit discussionh in doing what is right. Where is the “YES WE CAN” in this plan? More than likely in having it both ways.
You touched on something that I have always found repulsive about Insurance in general. That is that insurance is in effect making money on the misery of others. A distasteful occupation at best. Then those who are fortunate enough to have medical insurance have to fight some damn insurance company tooth and nail in order to get treatment that they need. Insurance Companies are infamous for using delaying tactics in the hope that the insured will die and thus save them a few bucks.
I don’t pretend to understand how government provided insurance would work. But much as I need insurance, I don’t want to see us settle for anything that allows ANY damn insurance company to decide who gets what treatment. That decision must, absolutely must be between doctor and patient.
I know I am getting ahead of myself somewhat but I don’t want to see people get insurance and then have to fight to get treatment. I’m greedy, I want it all. Coverage for everyone and the best treatment for everyone without some little twit in a cubicle in an insurance office deciding if someone can get treatment.
some little twit in a cubicle in an insurance office
Even they need health care and you are not being greedy. My roof leaked and the insurance company said it was not covererd. If my claim was covererd, it would be in a database for ever and used against me in the rates I would pay. A (doctor?)medical professional posted his frustration about That decision must, absolutely must be between doctor and patient.. He was pissed and that has to get fixed, my dentist has to fight just to get paid and he says the insurance companies are always over 90 days. Nuts!
This is why Obama is toast in November if he’s the nominee: Any kid on a decent High-School debate team would have no trouble tearing his “plan” to shreds. I’m afraid St. Barack of Obama has become so used to being surrounded by adoring fans and media only too happy to batter Hillary for him, he’s never bothered to put together a specific Health Care plan acceptable to Progressive Democrats.
The Insurance Industry and the GOP, however, would like his current “plan” just fine.
Yes, he’ll have to win on Republican and Independent votes. Personally, I think the Cons will tear him to shreds in the general. The press will stop protecting him and come out strong for the Republican because, after all, they are Republican. The media is owned by big corporations.
Even if Obama got elected, there is no question that he simply is not ready, so who would really be running the country? Talk about a co-presidency, Obama/Kennedy? Obama/Rahm Emanuel? Obama/John Kerry, Obama/Kennedy, Kerry, & Rahm?
Obama/zionist neofeminist shoe nazis?
Reminds me of a poem, for some reason, An Essay on Criticism, by Alexander Pope.
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i have always found the “i’m young … i’m healthy … i dont need medical insurance” to be one of the most specious and stupid arguments of all time. the young are most likely to be involved in accidents resulting in major injuries which will necessitate long term health care. i find it amazing that so called experts in the insurance debate just ignore this most important fact.
finally, the obama plan is one i would expect a libertarian to proffer. it is inherently supporting the idea that health care is a privelege instead of a universal right. as we all know, rights are not conditional and can not be openly sold or bought on a whim. the obama plan would continue to reinforce class inequality as well. why obama hasnt cleaned up this proposal is beyond me; unless he is pandering for more contributions from the insurance lobby.
I think Obama is way more libertarian than anything. I also think the ideas he is spreading on immigration would end up costing Americans everything we make. I’d like to have one of the “no borders” people explain how we’re going to let all comers in here, provide them with social services and then pay for all of it. We would be the only country in the world doing this, so wouldn’t millions of people come here to take advantage of the tax-supported services–that they don’t have to pay for–and then go back to their country of origin? Illinois had that problem with welfare programs, they were so generous that people all over the country came to our state and signed up on the welfare rolls until Illinois couldn’t support it and had to change the system. Just a little musing.
The Obama plan that allows for opting out is a disaster on so many fronts. Here’s a little chart I found about the differences between a mandated (Hillary Clinton) plan and a non-mandated plan (Barak Obama):
Without Mandate
Reduction in number of uninsured = 23 million
With Mandate
Reduction in number of uninsured = 45 million
Total Cost without mandate = $102 billion
Total Cost with mandate = $124 billion
Cost per newly insured without mandate = $4400
Cost per newly insured with mandate = $2700
I’m no expert but I know which plan looks better to me.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/02/healthcare-numbers/
Marge you may not be an expert but you certainly went to one to study … when krugman speaks, i for one, listen very closely. he has been proven correct many moer time then not … plus, he is a true progressive!
may i also say Marge, i enjoy your posting … you are well researched and you are obviously for the lunch pail and progressive elements of the democratic party. thank you!
Thank you very much for the kind words barrron. My father was a Master Sergeant in the United States Army until I was twelve and then he retired and went to work as a machine repairman at American Motors in Kenosha Wisconsin. Two things were sacred in our house when I was growing up, Vets and Unions. I am an old bat now but those two things are still supremely important to me.
I also don’t care much for b.s. and so when I think I’m getting some shoveled my way I do my best to find out the truth. Not somebodies “version” of the truth but the truth as best as I can find from available information.
It serves no useful purpose to just get in line when some parade goes marching by if I don’t know where the hell they’re going and how they intend to get there. When I need information on the ecomony or policies that require knowledge of how money works I usually go to Paul Krugman. I believe him to be a true progressive and an honest man.
I enjoy Krugman, too, I always look forward to reading his work, a very intelligent man.
Thanks Marge,
Upstairs, I’ve taken Liberty to post part of the same Krugman piece.
I also don’t care much for b.s. (You got from your dad no?)
Right. He taught us that if it didn’t smell right you ought to take a closer look. Might offend the nose at times but better than taking something smelly home.
Dad was a WW II vet and after what he and his buddies went through they had no time for bull. I think a lot of vets are like that.
Marge … my father was a china marine … and he swore like one when he smelled bs … LMAO
Mine, WWII Australian Navy; demolition. He had to wait until the smell was nutralized before swearing. He didn’t want talk much about it except to say the indigenous people of the south pacific made some wicked moonshine.
Mine served in Korea, the forgotten war.
But in so many ways, it was a precursor to what we’re facing today.
No war is forgotten by the Vets and their families. But unless every war is fought by all the people and all the people pay a price vets and their wars are forgotten by the general public.
That’s why I don’t understand why ANY Vet or anyone in the military has any use for the bunch of draft dodging cowards that are willing to fight wars with the last drop of somebody elses’ blood.
[...] Here’s one key reason why mandatory universal coverage works: It forces insurance companies to cover everyone. Another reason is that even young, robustly healthy people can face enormous medical bills from accidents or from rapidly growing diseases hitting the young, including diabetes and high blood pressure (that can be discovered and treated before they become expensive). And if they sign up before they get sick, the plan’s costs would be lower. (Find out more here, including great analyses from Ezra Klein, Steve Clemons and The Urban Institute.) [...]
My daughter’s boyfriend is nineteen years old. He has beensuffering from severe back pain for several months, but couldn’t afford to go to a doctor. He lives with his father, but finally lied and said he lives with his mother so he can get medicaid through her. That was the only way they could afford for him to get x-rays.
This country’s treatment of the disadvantaged is shameful. Single payer health care is the only way anyone is going to get adequate care. Insurance companies will just jack up the deductible is they are forced to cover everyone. I have insurance, but my kids have to be really sick to go to the doctor. I haven’t gone to a doctor for any reason for 14 years (when my last son was born). My deductible is $1000/person and I can’t afford that, so I pay a premium every month and never get a damned thing back.
I would gladly pay more in taxes and be able to go to a doctor.