Hillary’s Tied Hands
By Larry Johnson on February 6, 2008 at 8:46 PM in Current Affairs
I am not dedicated to bashing Obama because I am a political sadist bent on torturing and disparaging a deserving, ambitious man. But if he wants to be President he needs to be fully vetted. We have suffered through one amicable goof for the past seven years and cannot afford another mistake.
Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton cannot take Obama on in the way she should. He’s getting a pass in part because he is a black man with an inspiring story. Of course, when one probes into the details of the story, it starts to fall apart. But since a sizable portion of the Democratic party and the media have bought into the myth, god help anyone who tries to expose the clay feet of this faux deity.
So Hillary has to navigate perilous waters–trying to expose the superficial gloss of Obama’s positions without being accused of sullying the Obama mythology. For example, a terrific speech in 2002 (almost always selectively quoted) becomes the defining position even though Obama declined to stand with Russ Feingold and others who actually made a stand to oppose the war. When Bill Clinton points out, correctly, the disingenuous blarney of Obama’s so-called valiant stand, it is Bill Clinton who becomes the bad guy.
So what is a body to do? It is left to the blogosphere to shine light on the tawdry reality that is Obama. If you have not had the chance, please take time to read the following posted today at FireDogLake. Looseheadprop nails it.
In her NyTimes OpEd endorsing the candidacy of Barack Obama, Caroline Kennedy tells us that rather than basing our decision on a candidates’ stated positions on the issues or on their experience we should focus instead on his character.
Most of us would prefer to base our voting decision on policy differences. However, the candidates’ goals are similar. They have all laid out detailed plans on everything from strengthening our middle class to investing in early childhood education. So qualities of leadership, character and judgment play a larger role than usual.
I have long been an admirer of Ms. Kennedy’s and I think she has point. Problem is, Obama has a Tony Rezko problem. Actually a whole bunch of Tony Rezko problems. And a few other problems here and there which do not say very good things about his character or his sense of ethics or his ability to spot the appearance of impropriety. I include on that list the recent revelations about the legislation which he claims to have “passed” relating to leakage of nuclear material into drinking water.
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
Here’s a lesson that, once the people start backing someone, all the negative news in the world won’t stop them:
Huey Long
Through all the corruption he just kept plugging along. Question is, does Obama have the same fight in him as Long did?
Obama is banking on that. He knows the shitstorm is coming if he is the nominee. He “hopes” by then his “followers” are so from gone that they will need a confession from him before they believe anything negative about him.
But I think he is wrong. The hardcore democrats are not voting for him. The support he is receiving is soft–independents and young bright eyed brushy tailed voters (the AA vote is soft in that the southern blacks are voting from him simply because he is black. I do not blame them. But when the slumlord, Rezko comes out; their suspicion about him not being “black enough” will bear out). All will be disillusion real quick when this breaks.
Obama is very selfish. This election is so very important. He is willing to gamble this country’s future for his ego and gold.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the Rezko situation would make a difference with some of the starry-eyed Obama ilk. When people are this hypnotized by a personality cult they don’t WANT to see the truth. That is the real problem.
Larry,
Well done.
It bugs me that this guy will duck a vote because of the possible repercussions of standing on principle. Yet he wishes to be CinC where he might have to ask those in uniform to risk life and limb in harm’s way. Not exactly what I call a profile in courage.
Larry, you mentioned in another post that you knew of a couple of stories about Obama that the mainstream media is sitting on. What’s the deal? Do they not have enough information to go public or are they waiting to torpedo him if he is the nominee, thereby helping the Republican candidate? I would guess it’s the former since I find it hard to believe that anyone who was doing the latter would talk to you.
If there really is something there, it needs to come out now before there are more primaries. I know this is a quaint idea but the voters need to make an informed decision.
I’m doing what I can to get it out. I’m not a liberty, yet, to use the sources and info. But here’s a preview, one of the stories focuses on who his key backers were during his run for the State senate. Sounds pedestrian, but it is material that will be used to call into question his judgment and ethics. Then there is the Africa part of the equation. I share your concern and will get the stories out, hopefully soon.
Larry, why aren’t some of Hillary’s campaign doing more to show her supporters like General Wesley Clark, Joe Wilson etc.? Watching Caroline, Marie Shriver, and Senator Ted Kennedy support Obama was all over the media. Was it just the money Obama had?
One problem though, folks, the entire section concerning the impropriety of the sale of the house is completely incorrect except for one salient misstep…the involvement of Rezko. Other than the fact that Rezko is a creep that the Obamas obviously requested to purchase the vacant lot, the transaction itself appears to be above-board. I have commented very extensively on Nellie’s posting on this blog earlier, “How to Buy a Mansion you Can’t Afford”. So, Loosehead’s post is definitely anything but “nailing it” when it comes to that “issue.”
What is incorrect? We’re supposed to take your word for it?
Go read the postings, Larry.
The problem is, Jacek, is the whole land deal is entirely dependent on Rezko. That’s the whole point you’re missing.
Michelle knew to fit into the elite crowd, you have to look the part. So, she knew they “had” to have a house like that. It would help their prestige and image.
But one little problem. They couldn’t afford it!
Bah, no problems, right? Barack is the BMOC in Chicago, after all, right? Connections to the DNC, the mayor’s office…blah blah blah. But all that good networking wasn’t enough. Sure, the original owner couldn’t care two wits what happened after he got a higher price. Who wouldn’t?!
[cue spot lights and sparkly things...] The Obamas had a dream. The dream was to have that house. Not some other house they could afford, but that house. A house fit for a president.
To make that little fairy tale come true, however, they didn’t work harder. They didn’t work a bit longer to save up, like the rest of us have to do. No, they turned to a scum bag to satisfy their need for the prestige the house would bring. (Who’d wanna vote for a candidate living in a smaller house…for shame!)
And a couple more points. Rezko never built on it and probably never had any intention of building. More than one back was scratched. Illegal? No. But neither is waterboarding….right? RIGHT?
So, who’d you want to have your back? One who works to get things done? Or one who has to scrape the sewer for a rat? Integrity and results, or image and dreams?
Making things happen, or wanting them to happen.
Oh, and one more thing. The esteemed senator from Illinois has had 82 missed votes (compared to HRC’s 25) in two years. He must really love that house.
ces,
thanks. great post. but there is so much more.
I”ll be back with more on the cesspool politics Obama engaged in Illinois.
Cesspool Politics in Illinois: you got that straight!
Unfortunatly for me, I have to live in that cesspool and so I will not vote Dem or Rep in my state election in Nov. I’ll vote Green and I’m telling everyone I know to do the same. Only a complete break with the politics as usual two party system will do the job in a state so damaged by corruption within both parties. Of course, in 10 or 20 years we’ll have to do it all over again, such is the tendency of the human animal to be inclined to corruption, it being so lucrative and all. The truth is you cannot take your eyes off the ball for even one minute with certain kinds of people and those kinds of people tend to gravitate to government and corporations but they can be found in virtually every enterprise.
Your good!
Excerpt from The Obama Marriage
How does it work for Michelle Obama?By Melinda Henneberger
Updated Friday, Oct. 26, 2007, at 10:14 AM ET
Slate.com [bolded added] “…never achieved greatness!” …was beneath him.” Please! The Obama’s have a god complex for sure.
Your Obama dream narrative is spot on! You know the Obama’s are not unlike the Clintons. I remember reading articles about how Hillary know early on that Bill would be president one day. Hmmm!
Do your self a favor and read the whole slate article. It adds a great frame of reference when reading the whole Rezko property deal.
Does this mean that Michelle Obama is an ambitious woman? Ohmygod! Isn’t that one of the things that is constantly cited against Hillary Clinton? Aren’t ambitious women evil? Or is it only when the woman is Hillary Clinton or not married to Barak Obama that ambition is not allowed?
Your inference not mine. BTW, ambition is not a dirty word whether applied to female or male. The story is what it is…draw your own inferences.
I did draw my own inference and I don’t think ambition is a dirty word either. If you will notice I phrased my first sentence as a question.
It means she’s Mom, it’s highly unhealthy when a spouse lives vicariously through the other.
In the Clinton case, it’s my impression they are more evenly matched, each able to find a level of self fulfillment, individually.
In this case, it appears Michelle is simply a motherly, domineering nag. Sets up a highly passive aggressive relationship, not healthy, esp. if Obama’s method of dealing with conflict is simple sabotage. We see that behavior in Bush, and Cheney.
It may not be accurate re Michelle Barack, I’m simply reading from what was quoted.
I am going to give up. But let me explain to you how you have missed an opportunity. I supported Hillary, and then moved to the fence. I came here to read about Obama’s supposed faults, but what I have found is nothing more than ranting. It doesn’t mean that I will vote for Barack, but I find most of your arguments laughable. Here is why:
1. “African Hubris” post by Larry Johnson - I could not substantiate any of it. Furthermore, I have found real credibility problems with it. Dick Morris in Kenya at the behest of Obama’s people? Umm, what!!?!!!
2. “How to Buy a Mansion you cant Afford” - I am a real estate attorney who has practiced for over 10+ years (4+ years in Chicago), but that seems immaterial here in the face of the narrative that the Obama must have done some dirty. Ces’ comments are on point to the extent that Obama has already apologized. The rest of it is just a nonsensical albeit envy-inspired rant.
3. “What has Obama Done” - I listed 9 separate initiatives important to me (but by no means comprehensive). However, I did not list the most important to me, namely that a majority of the Guantanamo lawyers endorsed Obama. Why? Because he walked the halls with them trying to get them help. That didn’t get publishe din the newspapers, but attorneys interested in constitutional law knew. Btw, Clinton didn’t help in that effort. (Being a child of Polish immigrants that suffered the injustice of Communist era Poland, I feel those injustices keenly for some reason.)
Here is the point I am making - it is admirable that all of you love Hillary so much. I admire her greatly. She possesses remarkable intelligence, and I also understand her grit better than most. I know how difficult it is for a woman to make it in a law firm. But, you are being completely blind to Barack’s qualities. Unfortunate, I suppose, and understandable, but in the end, shortsighted.
In any event, I will regret not visiting Mr. Johnson’s blog because I respected his opinion during the Plame travesty. Unfortunately, he seems to be guilty of the same problem that afflicted the Bush administration, namely tha the refuses to acknowledge facts when he holds onto a narrative that he wants to be true.
Ah well, partisans.
Partisan?
You never asked me about the Clintons. And somehow because I’m skeptical of the maturity of Senator Obama’s acumen, I’m of course a staunch Clinton advocate. Damn, I misplaced my copy of the Clintonian campaign BS pamphlet….
But I’ll take the opportunity to show my cards:
1. Gore
2. Kucinich
3. Edwards
4. Clinton (was Obama)
5. Dodd (was Clinton)
6. Obama (was Dodd)
Will I vote for the Obamas in November if they get the Dem Nomination. Absolutely. If the Clintons get it, will Michele do the same? Partisan, my arse.
I was undecided between Hillary and Barack. I know that people, like my dad who listens to the right wing loud speaker all day, hate the Clintons. I know they will try to attack her to no end. But those attacks are old and factually without wind. The political winds of this country won’t allow those neocon pirates to get anywhere. But anyway, back to my story…
Then along came Iowa. Now, Barack gets some spotlight…. something his voting “style” has allowed him to avoid for way too long, apparently. So, the rock is pulled up and….
Oh wait, we’re not allowed to turn over HIS rock. He has a dream. To question the wiggly things under the rock is to question the dream itself.
I call BULL.
I don’t like the pugs calling me unpatriotic when I question qWack’s pilgrimage into the sand box.
I don’t like “not voted”-dims calling me politically incorrect when I question Senator Obama’s choice in business partners.
This blind-devotion-cum-attack-dog mentality when it comes to trying to defend Barack’s pattern of decision-making will not move this country forward in the right direction. Besides, to affect even the notion of change, first you actually have to do something.
Dreams are nice. Nightmares suck.
Ces,
I will return to respond to you. My post was not limited to an audience of you alone. I am sure you run the gamut of the liberal pantheon. I certainly encourage your vetting Obama, but if please do not refute facts because they don’t fit a preconceived narrative.
With regards to the house transaction, you are upset about Rezko’s involvment, and then made a bunch of spurious value judgments. I the post “How To Buy a Mansion You Can’t Afford” elsewhere on this blog, I refuted the insinuations and misconceptions of the author and various commentators. I recognize that the author had good-intentions; she just didn’t understand real estate transactions and accounting. That’s fine, but when it is explained, then accept and move on. The point is that the house deal DID have an unsavory element to it…Rezko was part of it. However, the financial transactions and the land use decisions were proper. Obama admitted the former was “boneheaded,” and made sure the “t”s were crossed and the “i”s were dotted. Damn him if you wish for that SINGLE mistake that he apologized for; that is your right.
However, I stand by my post. First, I have read people’s posts here considering Obama a lightweight. Umm, huh? he went to Harvard Law and was named the Editor of the Law Review. Let’s get something straight. That is the toughest position to earn in law schools in the entire US. (Yale may grumble, I suppose.) It takes preternatural brilliance and a ton of hard work to get named that position. and aftreward, you are under enormous pressure and workload to produce a brilliant journal. (Non-lawyers just don’t know.)
Second, people have quibbled about his character. However, people don’t understand what was available to Obama after law school/law review editor. He could have chosen to be a Supreme Ct. clerk on the way to being a super-litigator making millions, or gotten any corporate law position in NYC or Boston, pulling down over $200,000 in his first year. Instead, he chucked all of it to be a community organizer making peanuts.
Was he laying the path for a future political career? I am sure he was, but do you have a problem with men having world-sized ambition? I hope not.
So, you call “BS.” But I say he may be our next great “leader.” He may not be. Time will tell. But I am not going to crucify him because of his skills and talent.
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No I have a problem with Obama allowing his “followers” to believe in some Mr. Smith goes to washington bullshit narrative. Obama his “created” this larger then life image of this pure and clean politican (pause for laughter) that has forsaken money and fame to help the poorest of poor. When in reality he is a politican using the poor to gain a foothold into riches, fame and POWER.
BTW, someone needs to talk to all those people he helped and to those people who suffered in the properties owned by Rezko.
Ya know, I like horses, even dead ones, but this is ridiculous. There may not have been anything technically illegal about the sale. But no one in their right mind would want to buy that empty lot for that price. The Obamas made a deal with the devil to satisfy their ambition.
And it was this same devil that allowed him to make peanuts (Mr. Smith) and still raise enough cash for the lofty destination (Washington).
Yale Law Review: My wife was the concertmaster for a large university. Does that make her so much better than other people in the same school? Nope. The others were following other opportunities that were better. In context, these gigs only last a year and they have to have somebody there.
World-sized Ambition: Please. Round peg, square hole. It ain’t gonna fly. (Read You’re telling me Clinton doesn’t have the same ambition, for herself and for women around the world?) It’s Granny Smith to Golden Delicious.
If you make the climb up the political ladder easier by piling up trash below you, something is gonna stink.
I am going to steal that one! LOL
Interesting point also is his community organizing job. I never knew that it was a faith-based church job. This was never mentioned. I am not saying that taking that job was bad, but I hate when resumes are altered, or cleansed. Makes me suspicious. And what about his story is so inspiring? Raised in Middle class (or upper middle class) by mother, sometimes absent, and caring grandparents. (Sounds like Bill Clinton). Obama attended private schools, absentee father that he never knew, mythologizes with a book….All I can say after raising 3 children without a father, if they wrote a book about the dreams of their father, I would be really pissed off. It would really be a slap in my face. And just when did he and his mother get food stamps? I think that may be B S.
question the wiggly things …like a song stuck in myhead.
which candidate doesn’t matter, all.
Stephen King?
All of that is fine, and well, but what you will not address is Rezko.
Rezko has connections with the same people who are suspected of funding 9.11.
Don’t you think you should wait until more information is uncovered, before supporting a candidate?
Doesn’t it matter to you Obama, as a lawyer, knowingly broke the law, in covering for a slumlord and money launderer? ( Given he knew of Rezko’s intent, and, let’s be honest, he did.)
Which do you think is more indicative of his real character, walking the halls at GITMO, GREAT GREAT PR, or actively assisting a money launderer/ slumlord like Rezko?
You’re being manipulated.
Rezko has connections with the same people who are suspected of funding 9.11.
Simon,
Make this case right now or shut the fuck up!
Rezko has connections with the men(our Iraqi Billionaire, I believe, but I will check ) who are connected with the 9.11 crowd, whom, according to Sybil Edmond’s, include HAstert, Marc Grossman, and Brent Scowcroft?
Are you up to date on that, have you read her sworn statement?
Not too difficult.
Do you donut Edmonds credibility?
I’m willing to follow the track, I believe her.
Oh, and Cee, or See’s, we have a candy just like that, to speak in the manner you do is to try to disrupt the site.
Dont, please.
It’s time we start examining what was on the tapes Sybil Edmonds translated, and why she was gagged, and WHY this hasn’t been investigated.
It’s as if it’s this big secret everyone wants to ignore, for fear of what it might turn up, where all those weapons go, what Valerie Plame was working on, WHY Cheney may have outed her.
No official source is doing the work, yet the tapes are there, evidence.
Why?
Mentioning 9.11, I wonder who this will bring in and I wonder how they will try to kill the discussion?
A complete spin out.
http://p082.ezboard.com/UK-Sunday-Times-publishes-Sybil-Edmonds-allegations/fthecrowesperchfrm4.showMessage?topicID=29172.topic
Someone put together a nice summary of the coverage the London times provided.
I will post the link to the Sybil’s photo line up, though I’m sure most people here are familiar with it.
Do you think this is insignificant information, that, say, Marc Grossman shouldn’t be investigated?
What about Eric Edelman, who works for Cheney? Edmonds named him as being on the tapes, he is STILL in the Pentagon, and yet no one has investigated.
Why?
This is factual information, why is the press so fearful?
And just who ARE the middle eastern men Edelman and Grossman deal with?
http://www.odiousdebts.org/odiousdebts/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=10541
Nadhmi Auchi, Sadaam’s money laundering buddy, Rezko’s Middle East Patron, investing w/Rezko in a land deal in Chicago, apparently it’s that 3.5 million that is suspect,among other things, the 3.5 wired to Rezko, that landed him in jail last week.
Auchi is/was a known illegal arms dealer, with Sadaam, bank buddies with Osama, apparently.
And if what I’ve been reading on some Internet sites is true, the republicans will slaughter Obama with the Rezko information, if Obama were to land the nomination.
According to one site, and I mention this because it will be used, true or not, Rezko’s wife bought the house at the full asking price, the mansion, in the morning, and sold it to Obama later that day at a reduced rate. The paper work was fudged to make the deal more palatable, as it was presented to the press. And the more one reads about Rezko, and Auchi, the more one wants to vomit.
Who the hell would involve themselves with a little criminal like this, did he make Obama an offer he couldn’t refuse?
The guy stunk!
Jacek — I want to hear more about Obama’s cousin in Kenya who believe he has the support of Obama to take over the country. 700 people have died in rioting lead by Obama’s cousin Odinga. Our government supports the President of Kenya so what Obama has done in giving his cousin tacit approval for his actions is to go against our Government’s policy toward Kenya. Don’t you think the mainstream media has abdicated its responsibility to the American people not to speak of this? By the way Obama’s cousin believes in Sharia law.
I don’t know where you’re getting those figures on missed votes, ces. The WaPo maintains a running count, and as of today, they say that Obama has missed 170 of 450 votes (37.8 percent) and Clinton has missed 108 of 450 (24%). Clinton’s record seems to be better than average for a Senator who’s running for President, and Obama’s about average. Note that Obama’s missed about as many votes as Biden and Dodd.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/
Oh crap, you’re right.
My calculations are based solely on the votes that are different between the two. So, I’ve got them voting differently 163 times.
My bad.
While we’re on the subject….when their votes do differ:
Voted with Dems: HRC 51 vs BHO 29
Voted with Rep: 18 vs 13 (…based on wapo.com info)
BHO votes with the “Rep” vote:
2007:
#3, (against FEC act to Indian Tribes)
4, (against prohibiting spouse from working for candidate…)
70, (against congressional review and oversight..)
121, (for removing money from D/R conventions)
2006:
#100, (with Coburn amendment)
207, (against provision for hopper dredges)
158, (for cloture on Kavanaugh nomination)
105, (with Coburn amendment)
2005:
#20, (against limit credit to 30% interest)
160 (against conference report to not show earmarks!),
232 (against foreign trade safeguards),
335,(for clarify treatment of senate income/home),
9 (against Class action fairness!)
And then all those Not Voted:
SCHiP
Iraq troop redeployment
Border security
Injured Servicemember Act
Kyle/Lieberman (aka bomb bomb bomb Iran)
MoveOn’s Petraeus Ad
Party convention security funding
…and so much more.
Despite the foam, though, the greater issue is Obama’s character, his actions, versus the insignificant fluffy bunnies posing as real accomplishment, dust bunnies in the wind, on their way to Kansas.
Bottom line, the man associated with Rezko, and can’t really read, if he feels this garbage will get him past anyone but love starved Americans.
Right?
Its a damn cult. I don’t do cults. A person has to be a pretty lonely and love starved to believe that Obama is the Second Coming. The media should be ashamed of what they have done in promoting this fraud.
People get so involved in minor statistic listings, the poster’s sometimes drowns.
Hard to keep a clear head, isn’t it?
I agree with your assessment of the transaction. It seems, to me, rather sleazy but not illegal. The Whitewater deal the Clintons did in Ark. was apparently sleazy but not illegal but look what the more rabid wing of the Republican Party did with it. If Obama wins the election, you can look forward to another 4yrs of the same crap we had to endure throughout the Clinton presidency. Well, without the sex thing, which was in the end what really hurt the most but you take my point. At least with Hillary, it’s all already well known. If she would just make all her records from the White House years public she would have the high ground, assuming she didn’t do anything illegal. For me, she is the Devil I know. And with a sufficiently Democratic congress, she could probably be held in check and even nudged in a more progressive agenda.
Well, without the sex thing,
Good thing you are certian of this…
Larry and Looseheadprop may be on to something when they conclude that some not so positive news about Obama is about to come out. Today, the Obama campaign attacked Hillary, claiming the GOP had some dirt on her. This is a good way to divert attention from himself.
In the AP article, there is this statement:
It looks like Obama is setting up that famed Clinton machine to be the source (and fall guy and gal) of any attack on Obama.
It won’t work if we let Obama escape scrutiny by blaming it on Hillary. I found some dreck on Obama all by myself and am astounded that he hasn’t been vetted as he has some major ethical, fiancial, and moral difficulties. He is an outright liar about lobbyists. He takes and takes bigtime.
We must demand daylight here and not wait for GOP to trounce Democrats again. Obama is a defensive wuss and uses every measure to deflect strightforward questioning about MANY PROBLEMS in his record. Illinois is a cesspool of politics and corrruption and Obama was a part of it. Hillary cannot attack him, and it is up to Democrats who want to win to get to the truth. He’s been given a pass intentionally by some and stupidly or unwittingly by others.
We won’t get off this. I wrote to CNN tonite, and will keep it up and ask all of you to ask for the truth behind Obama’s story in Illinois and in US Senate. Don’t let up.
If anyone looked up his ass the way they’ve looked up Hillary’s…he’ll fold. Yes, the Leader of The Free World will fold.
The hypocricy about Michelle Obama serving on WalMart board for a number of years is galling hubris since he called Hillary out on this in SCarolina.
Just for the record. It was a major Walmart supplier’ board Michelle sat on.
FYI: 60 minutes did a piece on how vendors get their stuff on Walmart shelves. It is not a small feat and it appears once a supplier of Walmart you pretty much work 24/7 only suppling them.. such as it is.
Anyone who thinks Obama rose as far as he did as fast as he did purely on talent is dreaming. He’s very good, but it takes family connections or powerful friends to move up that fast, and Obama doesn’t have family connections.
Powerful friends expect something in return for their friendship. Rezko wasn’t being so helpful to Obama out of the goodness of his heart. But that doesn’t mean Obama broke the law.
Obama is a lawyer and a politician and a product of Chicago machine politics. Expecting him to be pure and innocent is like looking for a virgin in a whorehouse.
Before anyone starts attacking me for impugning St. Barack, let me say I don’t think Hillary is any better, I’m sure her legal career in Arkansas was boosted by her husband being governor.
Don’t expect this Rezko thing to go away, even if Obama is innocent of any wrongdoing. Look at what happened with Whitewater.
The Clintons were hammered with Whitewater for years, even though in the end it turned out they were telling the truth and hadn’t done anything wrong.
She was a Yale graduate, I thought Ivy League attendance was indicative of intellectual genetic superiority?
According to some.
I’m kidding…
Only Larry Johnson and Taylor Marsh are telling the truth about Obama. David Shuster said that Chelsea was being pimped by Hillary. I would like to say to that limp dick Shuster you and your co-horts at MSNBC are pimping for Obama.
Same thought hear. I thought mmmm What Rove would do?
I also had some questions for you on the “African Hubris” posting. I thought you may be to expand on some of the statements that you made.
“He’s getting a pass in part because he is a black man with an inspiring story.”
I really did not get much past this statement. Had any Republican blog said this they would have been crucified in all the media.
Personally this is an offensive remark which seems normal by your standards.
More importantly it is total bullshit. The Clinton assaination squad have tried desperately to tear apart this man’s reputation since the day he announced, because they have nothing else to run on - they never do. This time they can’t find anything of substance - certainly not on the Clinton level of scandals.
Obama may have a Rezko problem but it pales in comparison to the barrage of real scandals the Clintons had and still do have. If HRC is somehow nominated it will be entertaining to watch as all the 527 groups start tearing apart of the myth of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
kamelophagia.
Another word add to my vocab.
Unfortunate that you failed to make it through Larry’s comment about race. I believe the blog title is ‘No Quarter’, and the post at least tries to cut through the suffocating bullshit of CW, which the media dispenses 24/7 in the US.
I did not see Larry Johnson state that he agreed with this statement, nor that he would not vote for a candidate because of their ethnic background.
It appears that his candid comments upset you. I recommend you get a tissue, dry your eyes, and remind yourself that American politics has a tradition of being Swift Boat sleazy, K-k-k-karl Rove ruthless, and often completely unprincipled (See also: Romney, Willard).
Let me offer a medical analogy. Many things, like typhoid and malaria and smallpox are unpleasant and often lethal. However, vaccines have been developed to
innoculate people from the most dire effects of these diseases.
Larry Johnson is simply pointing out — correctly, IMHO, that Obama has not yet received the kind of harsh, unpleasant ‘vetting’ that is the political equivilent of an innoculation.
I also happen to agree (much of the time) with Johnson’s comment either on this post, or another, that (much of the time) Democrats are whining pussies. Whining pussies are the sort that quake and wail at the prospect of a vaccination — thereby opening themselves to greater risks down the line because they lack the guts to take necessary precautions to examine unpleasant, scary things.
The stakes are too high for that bullshit.
Especially after Bush, Cheney, and their criminal outfit.
If you find this kind of politics distressing, you’re going to have a rough 6 months. I don’t enjoy it, but the world is full of assholes and the last thing the US needs is a courtier, compliant media that’s sucking up wind until K-k-k-karl Rove and his ilk start Swift Boating around about July.
If Obama can’t take this kind of frank discussion, he shouldn’t be running.
As for Hillary — that woman has taken 20 years of sh*t, lies, insults, demeaning innunendo, and other crap from the likes of Bill Kristol and the neocons, who see fit to preen on the media while implying that Bill Cllinton is somehow ‘a racist’.
I translate that as: they’re scared shitless of Hillary, and of Bill. If anyone knows the crap the neocons have pulled, it’s the Clintons. The fact that Hillary is still in the contest is hugely impressive.
Obama should watch everything she does, and learn from it. If there was ever anyone who had to withstand insults, it’s Hillary. Obama should view her as an extraordinary political mentor. So far, she’s looking a damn sight tougher than he is.
And right now, the last thing this nation needs is yet another gutless wanker in the WH.
TEA-LEAF-READER..
That was very well said..
I translate that as: they’re scared shitless of Hillary, and of Bill. If anyone knows the crap the neocons have pulled, it’s the Clintons.
Reader,
You make me laugh. They haven’t done anything and won’t do anything about it.
Neocons love Rudy and Hillary
http://blog.nj.com/njv_murray_sabrin/2007/10/neocons_love_rudy_and_hillary.html
Hillary Clinton and the neocon agenda — how to “negotiate” like a neocon
Clinton and neocon/AIPAC talking points
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/hillary-clinton-fooled-again-or-neo-conned/
How much more money will Hill have to loan herself? Perhaps Bill can work another deal with a foreign dictator to line their pockets.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/pol itics/31donor.html?_r=3&hp=&oref =slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=sl ogin&oref=slogin
You said AIPAC.
Is that allowed?
Afraid you’re afraid of the truth, but Obama has a Rezko problem, a “present” problem, an Exelon lobbbyist problem, a problem carried by NYTimes on March 3rd, 2007 “In ‘05 Investing, Obama Took Same Path as Donors”,a problem with revised bio after Rezko’s indictment, a problem in that when he accused Hillary as serving on WalMart board in SCarolina, please note.Problem in doing nothing when Rezko took government subsidized $$ for Rehabbing low income housing. he trashed them, and thousands were foreclosed. Obama’s lawfirm represented Rezko and the financing of these deals ALL went into foreclosure. Thousands of apts and 11 buildings in Obama’s 3rd ward district. Obama wrote letters for Rezko re: receiving subsidies. Rezko remained Obamas main and largest fundaiser to Illinois and US Senate. This is an ugly, ugly story. Sorry.
Michelle Obama spent a good many years on WalMart Board, and resigned in 2004 prior to Obama’s run for senate.
I could go on and on, and believe me the GOP will be sure to do this if Obama isn’t vetted carefully now. We have every right to know more about Saint Obama as the bullshit is enormous.
Ummm… no. It may feel good to make things up, but it doesn’t exactly give you credibility.
Michelle Obama never sat on the board of Wal-Mart. She DID sit on the board of a company whose largest customer is/was Wal-Mart.
Get your facts straight before you try to attack people.
Dave,
Are you that precise about all of Obama’s dealings? Do tell.
I don’t think serving a board is a “bad” thing.
It was interesting that a week or so prior to her resigning a 50k position, Barak Obama was seeking union support and said he would not shop at Walmart. Obama made a statement that cut 50k out of the family piggy bank. Many of those same union members do not have a choice but to shop at Walmart. As a union member I would LOVE to see “Made in America” or have solid proof that who ever made what I purchase is treated as a human being and paid a living wage and not exploited.
It’s the connection, she was connected to a Wal Mart supplier, and that needs to be investigated.
Personally I think Mrs. Obama is a “motivated” individual. I don’t know who else was on the board but knowing that might for an interesting Who knows who.
Why does that need investigating?
Norris,
You don’t care about vetting Obama. You care about getting Billary elected and nothing else.
The GOP will use everything (which is nothing) that you dig up.
The nation will thank you later when McCain is in the White House.
The Obama cultists don’t see how serious this situation with Rezko is. That was tax payer money that was given to Mr. Rezko to build low cost housing. The fact that he became a slumlord is everybody’s business. When Mr. Obama took money from him that made him a part of this fraud.
Tsk, tsk.
If your heart is set on it, you can find “cultlike behavior” in a pile of mashed potatoes. It doesn’t prove anything, other than your own frustration with people who disagree.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/8/142451/2862/804/452780
Sources in the Clinton Campaign say consideration is being given to comparing Obama supporters to cult members. . .with all that implies.
Clinton Campaign players at a very high level are calling attention to a recent article by Joel Klein (author of “Primary Colors”) in which he examines the “messianic” aspects of the “movement” Obama has sparked, we have been told.
So perhaps this. . .on top of Bill Clinton’s transparent playing of the “race card” after South Carolina.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
David Obey, Christine Gregoire are now Cultists
Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 12:16:54 PM PST
Somehow, over the past few weeks, David Obey and Christine Gregoire have lost their damn minds.
They clearly have become brainwashed automatons, worshipping hype and ignoring a plain lack of substance.
Their statements of adoration for a David Koresh-type figure below the fold.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/8/151654/9489/778/449763
By all means, vet Obama.
Really, start any time now.
And looseheadprop’s pile of innuendo and unsupported inference doesn’t count. Only facts count.
Keep digging, Larry. Maybe you’ll discover that Obama managed to turn a $100,000 profit on a $1,000 futures investment in a 6 month period, or that he has close ties to Norman Hsu or Marc Rich.
Actually he did take money from Hsu and Hsu introduced him to another high dollar donor.
cattle futures. She made a killing. I will stipulate that this is a “known known” if you would stipulate to the likelyhood that Obama is a known unknown.
Question?
Will either Hillary or Obama choose the other for a Veep or promise a place in their administration??
Answer: No.
Larry: Thanks for resolving a nagging question which has been bothering me for more than a week, as to Why Obama left Durbin, his Governor and Illinois out in the cold, like he has with previous constituents.
The FutureGen program discussed on the campaign trail would have raised the scrutiny bar for Barak Obama and his record in this area. It is surprising that the governor of his state made an urgent plea, which landed with a thud in Barak’s round file. I would stipulate that the merits of the project should stand on it’s own.
Obama has the national stage is STILL a US senator and one should ask WHY he would not respond to a request from the governor of his state.
Ms Kennedy presumes to speak for many seeking a “change in the leadership of this country — just as we did in 1960.”
Even a 12th grade skimming of the history of those glory days would reveal the underlining corporate power structures remained in place during this time and evetually lead to Nixon resigning from the Presidency.
There is only one thing I need “my” president to do:
“[I do] solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States
No more and certianly no less.
OT: SusanUnPc; rest easy and heal well.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1193700~DOE_assured_FutureGen_on_track_even_as_agency_s_concerns_mounted.html
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/pihtml/pioaths.html
The observations here in No Quarter that Obama has yet to be fully vetted and is lousy with vulnerabilities are spot-on. He’s new to national politics and appears shallow on a number of key issues.
However, fear of being labeled as racist or otherwise unseemly is not the only factor holding back the Clinton camp. Let us not forget that Clinton is beset with a number of crippling vulnerabilities of her own-most especially on the topics of crossover appeal, experience, and national security-that will come screaming to the fore if or when she wins the nomination. Calling Obama out now will only emphasize her own problems on the long, long road to November.
Conservatives are currently split three ways and eating their own over the nuances of how best to further diminish American greatness, but they are united over in their Clinton-phobia. It’s easy to dismiss, but one only needs to go a county or so in from either coast to feel the intensity of rabid anti-Clintonism. The anti-Obama cottage industry is still in the cottage stage, but the anti-Clinton industry is humongous, well-exercised, and going strong after 16 or so years.
Experience is also not her strong suit–all her claims on this topic are, at best, aggressively spun. One particularly damning bit of data about her experience is that she never held a clearance or participated in national security policy making until she got to the Senate. Speaking of the national security constituency, it’s difficult to think of any nationally prominent political figure(s) that have burned as many bridges (a few real, but most imaginary or apocryphal) with the military and national security communities as Clinton and her husband.
Despite claims by Stanley Fish in the NYT and others right here in No Quarter, criticism of Clinton is not necessarily pathological or irrational. A sober, dispassionate understanding of her own strengths and weaknesses–which I’m confident Clinton has–is steering her away from attacking Obama and exposing her own vulnerabilities.
Frank,
The Clinton camp and surrogates haven’t held back.
They tried to raise the negatives of Obama by turning him into an unethical, angry, black Muslim, drug selling man.
It didn’t work.
This is why they’re having problems now.
Barack Obama is perhaps the most inexperienced man to run for the presidency. If the other candidates were vetted then Obama should get the same treatment. Obama admitted to cocaine abuse. He also admitted to being an alcoholic in college. Doesn’t this pose the question as to his character and his ability to solve problems? This is the toughest job in the world and just saying LEADERS ONLY NEED TO LOOK AT MY FACE AND THE WORLD WILL CHANGE is not enough.
Obama thought it was very cool to tell Jay Leno in answer to a question “Did You Inhale” — Obama said “That was the whole point”. I don’t think its cool to have thousands in prison for doing just what Obama thought was cool.
Maybe you should try to see it more as deliberate strategy, less the fear of anti-Clintonism.
I disagree with your other premises.
Simon,
I said weeks ago….when I wasn’t anti-Clinton that this WAS the Clinton strategy and a bad one.
OK, that’s it, time to fight back. Time to cross post a full-fledged campaign against MSNBC, and it’s misogynist leering privileged schoolboy Obama pushers: Matthews at the top of the list, Scarborough, Olbermann, Carlson, Feinman, list goes on, Dan Abrams excepted. They have systematically turned HRC into a laughing stock and BO into the second coming. THEY ARE STEALING OUR DEMOCRACY. We don’t have to wait for swiftboaters - THEY ARE THE SWIFTBOATERS.
Millions of us have worked, thought, blogged, voted, donated, organized, browbeaten our friends, made GOTV calls for Hillary. We are being defeated by them.
Massive daily emailing to NBC, MSNBC, full boycott of all sponsors. Start posting sponsors and contacts. Remember even a small campaign squeezed an apology (well, almost) out of Tweety, and toned it down for a day or two. C’mon, activists! We can fight back! It’s free! Do it from home! It’ll get press coverage for god’s sake.
Here’s the link to more info and Matthews and NBC/MSNBC admin contacts:
http://www.legitgov.org/rectenwald_msnbc_on_matthews.html
Olbermann: KOlbermann@msnbc.com
Scarborough: Joe@msnbc.com
Just as an aside, the commentators you mentioned, do you respect them?
I don’t watch cable news for the very reasons you specified, but I did watch the returns on Tuesday, it occurred to me the men I was watching had no idea what they were speaking of, nothing. Carl Bernstein, for instance, was pro-Obama, and the results, at least on Tuesday, indicated to me, anyway, Obama had crested, or hadn’t done as well as they had predicted, would need to, in order to win the general election. But they spun it for all they were worth, to avoid the embarssment of being wrong, possibly to protect their candidate, for whatever reason. So, rather than report the truth, they were protecting their own egos, unconscionable in a journalist. Why didn’t they at least mention the pattern of Obama wins would suggest he couldn’t win the national election, whereas Clinton could?
In fact, the commentators on CNN were so removed from reality, I though, wow, if I could dress up a cow as Jesus, and sell him as President, they would buy it, if the cow were young, fresh, and a Harvard graduate, say.
Then they could call Clinton on her AK cattle futures, and refer to her as a Judas, a wannabe Jesus killer…
Hillary was invited to do debates with Obama on every major network, and has replied she would do so.
Obama’s spin to avoid appearing is that she panders to Fox network.
What about the other ones, visionary?
CNN, MSNBC, and ABC debates become “Hillary panders to Fox.”
Nice scare tactics, Obama.
Mr. Murder,
Hillary is running scared now and Fox (Murdoch) has thrown her a lifeline.
What happened to all of the outrage when Obama was accused of reaching out to the right?
Geesh!
Let me add this.
Who Is More Electable?
Ms. Eisenhower is supporting Mr. Obama and said she would be glad to enlist in a “Republicans for Obama” organization.
When pollsters offer voters hypothetical matchups, Mr. Obama does better than Mrs. Clinton against Mr. McCain. For example, a Cook Political Report poll of registered voters released this week found Mr. McCain beats Mrs. Clinton, 45 percent to 41 percent. But Mr. Obama beats Mr. McCain, 45 percent to 43 percent. The latest Washington Post/ABC News poll found similar results.
Mr. Obama also has the highest approval rating of any major candidate among independents, 62 percent, according to a recent Pew Research Center poll. He also has unusually low negatives, which gives him upside potential.
Mr. Obama does surprisingly well among evangelical Christians, an important constituency in swing states. For example, Relevant magazine, which caters to young evangelicals, asked its readers: “Who would Jesus vote for?” Mr. Obama was the winner and came out 27 percentage points ahead of Mrs. Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/opinion/07kristof.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Then have Barack pony up to debates on three other networks as they’ve offered.
All hat, no cattle.
No. LOL! He doesn’t need to bend to Billary.
[...] Hillary’s Tied Hands [...]
I see four problems with any approach to vet Obama here.
One: The media conglomerates are making too much money off the Obama “wave”. You might turn a stringer but you’ll never get past the editorial board.
Two: Who the hell is listening? So far it appears that you are preaching to the choir.
Three: If anyone does listen, how likely is it to make a dent? Consider that these bozos elected Bush twice: Can this country be considered anything other than a grade A, guaranteed laboratory for cognitive disassociation? Hell, cure that and half the population is still below average intelligence.
Four: The country is in denial that we are in a deep, dark world of hurt building ever since Reagan tore Jimmy Carter’s solar panels off the White House roof nearly forty years ago. The politics of “hope” and “inspiration” is the latest version of the Ghost Dance which will bring JFK and Jackie back to life, erase Reagan and Vietnam and bring back Camelot. You still end up a twisted, frozen corpse in the snow near Wounded Knee creek.
That’s the sugar coated version.
>>> Can this country be considered anything other than a grade A, guaranteed laboratory for cognitive disassociation?
Yes. The “Open Air Laboratory of Bad Governance of the English-Speaking World.”
Damn
make that cognitive dissonance
A Challenge to Obama’s Supporters…
by Damozel | I don’t want to bring Obama’s supporters down, but I am definitely unsettled by the increasing signs of uncritical advocacy I’m seeing among some of them out there in the field. It’s as if they’ve forgotten exactly how critical this e…
Money talks bullshit walks
Barack Obama Raises $7 Million Since Super Tuesday
Money is bullshit, look at Cheney.
Old school model?
Wow, thank god for NQ and Larry’s sane analyses, I thought I was existing in an alternate plane of reality with all the droogling Obama-mania awashing the blogosphere.
If this Rezi thing explodes in a few days (and why wouldn’t Clinton’s surrogates start unleashing that plum little narrative), it will undercut the sense that Obama’s “a different politician.” No, actually, he’s just all all the rest.
When that reality settles in, expect the following on the Big Orange and elsewhere:
Anger (”I question the timing” the diaries will lament)
Denial (”I don’t believe it; DLC is up to their dirty tricks”)
Barganing (”Maybe he can be Clinton’s running mate; he’s a good man led astray by evil lobbyists”)
Then acceptance. Which will coincide right around the early March primaries.
I’m afraid the Big Orange is to seeped in their own denial. They’ll wake up and say, “we wuz robbed”.
By then, sane minds will have lots of other places to go.
BTW, I visit here often and also like TalkLeft and TheLeftCoaster
Big Orange? Are we talking about the Orange Revolution in Ukraine?
We’re speaking of Orange Julius, and creamsicle nation.
Of course, Orange Julius goes back to O.J., therefore Simpson, and the Obama supporter, indicating OJ Simpson’s jury, and somewhere the republican meme of hate, and Donald Rumsfeld, implicating Howard the Duck, and Mr. Stress, therefore Dick Cheney, all trapped in a world that they never ever made.
Forget it.
Sorry.
Oh, I forgot to mention, this also brings us to Cleveland, which brings us to All Shall Be Well;and All Shall Be Well;and All Manner of Things Shall be Well, bringing us to Tod Wodicka, bring us to a Polish Renaissance, again, implying PR, which brings us to PR firms, which brings us to another round of spin, which would be Rove, a flying Karl Rove, which brings us to Manhasset, and hey MAN, which brings us to a man who smokes too much pot, which means too much marijuana and stupid do0dy heads are in the air…marijuana being indicative of the Alien Neofeminist shoe thieving Nazis, those in cahoots with Dick Cheney.
When you’re always looking down, you only see your own nose, and that can be fatal.
Two quotes….
“Congress has gone along with the supplemental requests, with members of both parties pledging to give American troops whatever they need.”
“Admiral Mullen: US Troops Are Tired”
It would seem that based on these two statements if Congress is truly pledging to “give the American troops whatever they need”, they would be bringing them go home for a “permanent” rest.
Question…
Which then is more important and deserves our attention, vetting Obama or helping the troops get home for a rest??
Bill,
Getting the troops home but now that Bush has started screaming about terrorism again, I’m certain that they are laying a trap that will make it IMPOSSIBLE for the next president to change strategy.
I guess we should pull out the PNAC manifesto and see where we’re headed next.
You love Obama so much because of his 2002 speech against the War in Iraq. Tell me why he didn’t want to state he was against the war in 2004 when Kerry was running for President and why he voted for every appropriation bill. How come Obama is so careful about saying anything against Bush but attacks Bill Clinton’s presidency, which is generally considered one of the most successful presidencies of the 20th century. Could it be that Obama is a Republican hired to split the Democratic Party? Just askin…..
Who will vett Obama ?
Not the Media and I strongly doubt that those voting do. Most get caught by the personality and sound bytes of the candidate, and this is all the vetting they need.
Take Care
Here’s a friend’s LiveJournal entry from today:
President McCain
Get used to saying it. Once again, the leadership of the DNC will snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. Here’s what I mean.
Al Gore (a Viet Nam vet) couldn’t beat a man who didn’t know the name of more than two or three foreign leaders, who failed in every business venture he’d ever been involved with, and who dodged Viet Nam. I can possibly give Gore the blame for this (as opposed to the DNC leadership), but let’s continue.
John Kerry (also a Viet Nam vet) couldn’t beat the same man after having had 9-11 occur on his watch. Further, he and Dick Gedhardt sabotaged the person who should have been the nominee just so Kerry could screw the pooch: Howard Dean (more on what Dean has become below). Dean’s yee-haw was spun, not by the GOP, but by Gephardt’s operatives (who apparently only know how to attack Democracts).
Now, the DNC has decided that (and please understand I like the man, it’s just I’d like to see the Dems in the WH this time around) Obama should run against John McCain. My (all of them younger) diehard Dem friends say that McCain looks weak and old. As someone a bit older, I keep telling them that so was Ronald Regan, but unlike Regan, McCain actually was a war hero instead of playing one in the movies. Whether or not the following issues are true or valid is irrelevant; that the GOP can and will use them to beat Mr. Obama to a pulp is not:
1) The Madrassa issue.
2) Antonio Rezko - Obama’s friend of 20 years who not only was under investigation for fraud, but lied to the special prosecutor about how much money he had, wired it to Syria (!!!), and got arrested because they believed he was about to leave the country. Note that there were some improprieties in Mr. Obama’s state campaigns regarding Mr. Rezko, not to mention Mr. Obama buying a house a few hundred thousand dollars below market value. (You might wonder why I still like Obama after that; it’s because the folks on the other side of the aisle are even worse… have to take what I can get). Additionally, Mr. Rezko may be a neocon ally or sympathizer (one of his friends is a wealthy Iraqi dissident living in London).
3) Obama - Osama. ‘Nuff said, except see #1.
4) Too many effing racists still alive who will vote McCain.
5) His top attorney trying to make the case that pardoning I. Scooter Libby would be a good thing for the left! That Bush will have to answer questions if he pardons him. What a crock! When has Bush ever had to answer for anything? A pardon is going to change that? Don’t think so. While the attorney said he was “speaking out of school”, that is, his comments were not endorsed by the Obama campaign, it is obviously a lie. No one, especially your top attorney speaks out of school in the current climate.
So, now, the new Howard Dean (sort of like the new John McCain) betrays his own values. He is trying to force Florida and Michigan to have new elections in order to take those wins away from Clinton. Now, you might say, won’t the GOP go after Hillary like they did Bill? Yes, they will. Guess what? They will also go after Obama! Bill wanted to “reach across the aisle” when he came into the WH too. We see where that got him. He even gutted welfare—a GOP goal for most of my life!—and they tried to remove him from office. Of course, that’s half the problem: Richard Scaife recognized that Clinton was taking the “good ideas” from the GOP and incorporating them into his platform (the questionable practice of triangulation), and that meant all the GOP would be left with is the bad ideas. Clinton threatened the very existence of the party, taking the Dems to the right, raising the possibility of the rise of a third party.
But all of that is water under the bridge. All I know is, if a football coach loses 8 or 12 years in a row, he gets replaced. Dems need to start holding the Gephardts, Kerrys, Kennedys and Deans of the world accountable. If not, get used to being #2.
Comment by Sometime-CIA-Defender | 2008-02-07 13:04:04
Here’s a friend’s LiveJournal entry from today:
President McCain
Get used to saying it. Once again, the leadership of the DNC will snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
Couldn’t agree with you more, sir
Here is my take…
The way I see it, its going to be a slugfest for the next six months right down to the final voting at the Democratic convention in August and then we are supposed to believe that the loser will immediately embrace the winner and we will all get in lockstep behind her/her? In an ideal world that would be great. I believe the Obama supporters with his urging would get behind Hillary for the sake of the party, but I do not think the die hard Hillary supporters would ever get behind Obama. In any case it will be too little too late and the Republicans WILL retain control of the WH.
While there may some very bruised ribs up until the DEM convention and a pick, I think the two person (I can’t say man
) race will split the focus of the repub swiftboat machine for a while longer.
A lot is going to happen in a year and if the Powell doctrine holds for the Dems it may be that regardless of the “noise” the numbers will be prevent this Jaws deal from occuring.
On my favorite subject…
Here is an excellent article debunking most of the reasons for NOT proceeding with Impeachment of Bush and Cheney by someone who should know who was there when Nixon was impeached
Judiciary Committee should move to impeach Bush and Cheney
by Elizabeth Holtzman..
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/currents/20080127_Judiciary_Committee_should_move_to_impeach_Bush_and_Cheney.html
Add the public testimoney and admissions of War Crimes and watching Sen Sessions on the Senate floor last night (DVR) you’d think Waterboarding is like the garden variety fantasy of every rethug whore (either gender) on the street corners of DC who was put on this earth to provide. Our elected officials should be impeached as well for abetting in the commision of a felony and harboring felons. Watching Sen Rockerfeller saying he was against the Fiengold amendment saying “these little servers talk to one another with X’s and O’s and I have done a LOT of research on this”….
Lots of research? zero’s and ones in the first place and he is the one with a need to write a NOTE to SELF and stick it where the sun don’t shine. The hand written note is a CYA and plainly says he does not understand this “stuff” and complains that he can’t let qualified members of his staff provide advice and counsel, never mind the 160,000 he has taken from the the telco’s in campain contraban.
And we wonder why?
STOP IT - please. Hillary and Bill can’t raise the sleezy stuff because they are the king and queen of sleeze. Mark Rich makes Tony Rezko look like an altar boy.
…an Syrian with an Iraq billionaire felon friend who likes to wire money through lebanese banks altar boy.
an Syrian with an Iraq billionaire felon friend who likes to wire money through lebanese banks altar boy.
Just for giggles…we’ll say these back channel terrorists and financiers that the US uses lead back to Obama, do you honestly think that the people who matter in this government are going to do a thing to expose the truth???
Yes.
They’ll just wait til after the Democratic Convention and [if] Obama gets the nod.
I was thinking. If this whole Rezko thing is true, the repub already know this. Obama is currently a sitting senator on the following sensitive committees:
Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
IF Obama is mixed up in the Rezko/Iraq billionaire thing, the government i.e. Rove and the repub gang knows. At a minimum Obama sitting on those committees would have to be investigated for clearances (even low level) and such.
Me thinks the repub want an Obama nominee, No?
Most,
Heh.
This is wishful thinking.
Come on — you don’t think Obama got all this money based on his talent??? Obama’s job is to split the Democratic Party and put in another Republican. This in an election the Democrats could not lose. I think Obama’s name will be remembered as the traitor who destroyed the Democratic Party.
Why was Axelrod consulting with Exelon and Rezko was Obama’s senate capmpaign finance director? And Rezko is in jail.
people who matter in this government are going to do a thing to expose the truth???
Joe Wilson and a whole lot of other people who matter tried this and look where it got them.
Unless by that you mean criminals who cherry pick what matters.
IF Obama is mixed up in the Rezko/Iraq
Makes you wonder why he has done nothing with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Ces,
I bet you a martini it won’t happen.
If the President and Vice President admit to violating the laws and constitution on national TV, daring us to respond and we don’t, I know it won’t happen.while I would need the drink, I would not bet on it.
It would be a beautiful thing if I am wrong.
Doesn’t mean they can’t use it against him, directly or otherwise.
Besides, my drink is a Guinness.
True enough and a pint o’ ’til be.
Perhaps, but the Clintons know how to fight back on that sort of thing. It’s a simple spin: Rich supplied the US with oil during the energy crisis.
This was in the seventies, or later, that Rich facilitated the supply of oil?
It’s just not as creepy as Obama, though, being one step away from a man (Auchi) who might have involvement in 9.11, from what I’ve been reading.
This issues keeps getting buried, I wonder why? Boy, if I were a REAL journalist, I would be all over this, in a second.
Isn’t this the story of a lifetime?
I guess these things take time, though.
I mean, who would protect sleaze that tacitly murders other Americans, for profit, sleaze like Marc Grossman, or Eric Edelman?
What flavor Koolaid do you drink?
The flavor that says fighting amongst ourselves is getting us nowhere, except several steps backwards.
To sum up the above back-and-forth:
the two Dem candidates are corrupt gangsters oozing sleaze with major skeletons in their closets. They both exemplify the vain, self-centered, arrogant, careering professional politician, supported heavily by corporate lobbyists and big Wall street money.
As “Sometime-CIA-defender” so aptly put it: get used to “President McCain”!
Where is that John Edwards/Dennis Kucinich ticket when we need it!!?????
Ah, but that would be surrendering to the French, and the Romneys of the world can’t have that.
… and as of yesterday, the world won’t have any Romney…
But the world STILL has the french banking industry, and without McCain, we will apparently surrender to them.
…they’ve been taking lessons from Chase, Citi and Merrill-Lynch!!!
:-D 
Obama’s job is to split the Democratic Party and put in another Republican. This in an election the Democrats could not lose. I think Obama’s name will be remembered as the traitor who destroyed the Democratic Party.
Ah. The odor of Karl “Miss Piggy” Rove.
Also explains why 40% of obama votes in Iowa came from Republicans . . .