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		<title>By: Oh Paul, Get Some Vision : NO QUARTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh Paul, Get Some Vision : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one &#8212; &#8220;Obama Launches The Worst Kinds of Lying Attacks That Undermine Americans’ Hope for Universal Healt...&#8221; &#8212; is a good start. But there&#8217;s much [...]</description>
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		<title>By: He&#8217;s Thin and So&#8217;s His Record : NO QUARTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>He&#8217;s Thin and So&#8217;s His Record : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [ME? I LOVE BUFFETS!] and offers a health care plan that doesn&#8217;t cover everybody [BUT! HIS HARRY &amp; LOUISE ADS SAY SO!]. Even his speech against the war in Iraq was not followed by action in the Senate. [WHAT? BUT HE [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=50264


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		<title>By: Joan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been following Hillary's political career since the early 90's, and she has always inspired me. I remember telling everyone back then, that I believed Hillary could actually be the first female president if she ever decided to run, and most people thought that I was crazy.  A woman president?  I was interested in the Universal Health Care Plan she had created back in 1993, but it was brought down by the Insurance Industry and small businesses who did not want to cover their employees.  She has a great deal of experience. Her attendance record is great, and she has done really well in the senate. 
I see the position of Commander and Chief as a job.  A huge job, and I know that whenever you apply for a job, the person with the most experience, and the best track record usually gets the job. This country is in a complete mess and cannot afford for someone to learn on the job.  We are at war and our economy is on the brink of recession. The foreclosure situation is terrible.
On the other hand, Barack Hussein Obama, is a newcomer, with very little experience, and a horrible attendance record.  I think the whole media secrecy surrounding Barack Obama and his radical muslim and anti-American ties is pretty scary.
One of Senator Obama's books "The Audacity of Hope" is based on the preaching of his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, whose close ties with Louis Farrakhan, whom he honored as a "Great Man" is unnerving.  He had a 17 year relationship with Tony Rezko, a Syrian slumlord (now in jail), who caused poor people to live in squalor  on the south side of Chicago, without heat in the dead of winter.  Then there is the campaign funding he received and ties to Nadhmi Auchi, a billionaire Iraqi terrorist funder and Rashid Khalid, a Pakistani terrorist, and the Kenyan terrorist, Raila Odinga. I also don't want to leave out the Weathermen, William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.  Were they Timothy McVey's inspiration?
Then there is the Exelon Corporation nuclear plant in Illinois that had not disclosed radioactive leaks that contaminated the drinking water at one of their plants. Senator Obama lied about how he did something about preventing this situation from happening again.
Now down to his Elmer Gantry character. 
He is not truthful, and he tells the American people just what they want to hear, but he doesn't really say anything about how he will "Change" things.  I watched the debate, and the hard questions were asked of Hillary first, then his answer would be "I agree".  Hillary really did shine in the end.
Saturday Night Live really did a good impression of the whole Obamamania thing.
PT Barnum said it best "You will never go broke underestimating the American Public."  It seems that Senator Obama is bulletproof from the media really revealing any of his dirt.  But then again the media does not care about anything but their bottom line  I also believe is a Republican ploy, in part, to gain a running mate for McCain.  They knew that McCain was in the bag, in the primaries, so why not vote for his running mate? The question will come down to the general election, and who will come out to vote, and for whom.
In the end, who really knows what will happen?
I hope this explains why I support Hillary, and why I think it would be in the best interest of this country for her to win.  If she doesn't win the nomination, then who else is there to vote for?  Ralph Nader</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following Hillary&#8217;s political career since the early 90&#8217;s, and she has always inspired me. I remember telling everyone back then, that I believed Hillary could actually be the first female president if she ever decided to run, and most people thought that I was crazy.  A woman president?  I was interested in the Universal Health Care Plan she had created back in 1993, but it was brought down by the Insurance Industry and small businesses who did not want to cover their employees.  She has a great deal of experience. Her attendance record is great, and she has done really well in the senate.<br />
I see the position of Commander and Chief as a job.  A huge job, and I know that whenever you apply for a job, the person with the most experience, and the best track record usually gets the job. This country is in a complete mess and cannot afford for someone to learn on the job.  We are at war and our economy is on the brink of recession. The foreclosure situation is terrible.<br />
On the other hand, Barack Hussein Obama, is a newcomer, with very little experience, and a horrible attendance record.  I think the whole media secrecy surrounding Barack Obama and his radical muslim and anti-American ties is pretty scary.<br />
One of Senator Obama&#8217;s books &#8220;The Audacity of Hope&#8221; is based on the preaching of his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, whose close ties with Louis Farrakhan, whom he honored as a &#8220;Great Man&#8221; is unnerving.  He had a 17 year relationship with Tony Rezko, a Syrian slumlord (now in jail), who caused poor people to live in squalor  on the south side of Chicago, without heat in the dead of winter.  Then there is the campaign funding he received and ties to Nadhmi Auchi, a billionaire Iraqi terrorist funder and Rashid Khalid, a Pakistani terrorist, and the Kenyan terrorist, Raila Odinga. I also don&#8217;t want to leave out the Weathermen, William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.  Were they Timothy McVey&#8217;s inspiration?<br />
Then there is the Exelon Corporation nuclear plant in Illinois that had not disclosed radioactive leaks that contaminated the drinking water at one of their plants. Senator Obama lied about how he did something about preventing this situation from happening again.<br />
Now down to his Elmer Gantry character.<br />
He is not truthful, and he tells the American people just what they want to hear, but he doesn&#8217;t really say anything about how he will &#8220;Change&#8221; things.  I watched the debate, and the hard questions were asked of Hillary first, then his answer would be &#8220;I agree&#8221;.  Hillary really did shine in the end.<br />
Saturday Night Live really did a good impression of the whole Obamamania thing.<br />
PT Barnum said it best &#8220;You will never go broke underestimating the American Public.&#8221;  It seems that Senator Obama is bulletproof from the media really revealing any of his dirt.  But then again the media does not care about anything but their bottom line  I also believe is a Republican ploy, in part, to gain a running mate for McCain.  They knew that McCain was in the bag, in the primaries, so why not vote for his running mate? The question will come down to the general election, and who will come out to vote, and for whom.<br />
In the end, who really knows what will happen?<br />
I hope this explains why I support Hillary, and why I think it would be in the best interest of this country for her to win.  If she doesn&#8217;t win the nomination, then who else is there to vote for?  Ralph Nader</p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/23/obama-launches-the-worst-kinds-of-attacks/#comment-145035</link>
		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teak,

I saw this today. These locusts will be quite happy with McCain or Clinton

Mark Penn's lobbying shop is headed by John McCain's top adviser 

Hillary Clinton's chief strategist is Mark Penn, and Charlie Black, John McCain's top adviser, is chairman of BKSH, the DC-based lobbying subsidiary of Burson-Marsteller -- of which Mark Penn is CEO.

Yes, this is the same lobbyist Barack Obama was referring to when he criticized John McCain for allowing lobbyists to conduct their business on board his bus.

BKSH is a bipartisan lobbying firm. Black, the chairman is the top Republican. The top Democrat is R. Scott Pastrick, who like Penn, supports Hillary Clinton.

Mark Penn's personal interests would clearly be best served by a Hillary Clinton victory.

A McCain presidency wouldn't be a bad consolation prize, however. It would be far better to have the head of his lobbying be tight with the president than to have a president like Obama who sought to impose new restrictions on his lobbyist operation.

Burson-Marsteller's work is primarily for corporations, ranging from Blackwater to Microsoft to the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, the sovereign wealth fund of the government of Abu Dhabi that recently purchased a 5% stake in Citigroup.

As Ari Berman's Hillary, Inc. details, there's every reason to be skeptical of Mark Penn's willingness to help Democrats. He's criticized Al Gore for running to far to the left in 2000 and when he was brought into the Clinton's orbit by Dick Morris, he wasn't even a political operative.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/24/14518/2213/544/463202</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teak,</p>
<p>I saw this today. These locusts will be quite happy with McCain or Clinton</p>
<p>Mark Penn&#8217;s lobbying shop is headed by John McCain&#8217;s top adviser </p>
<p>Hillary Clinton&#8217;s chief strategist is Mark Penn, and Charlie Black, John McCain&#8217;s top adviser, is chairman of BKSH, the DC-based lobbying subsidiary of Burson-Marsteller &#8212; of which Mark Penn is CEO.</p>
<p>Yes, this is the same lobbyist Barack Obama was referring to when he criticized John McCain for allowing lobbyists to conduct their business on board his bus.</p>
<p>BKSH is a bipartisan lobbying firm. Black, the chairman is the top Republican. The top Democrat is R. Scott Pastrick, who like Penn, supports Hillary Clinton.</p>
<p>Mark Penn&#8217;s personal interests would clearly be best served by a Hillary Clinton victory.</p>
<p>A McCain presidency wouldn&#8217;t be a bad consolation prize, however. It would be far better to have the head of his lobbying be tight with the president than to have a president like Obama who sought to impose new restrictions on his lobbyist operation.</p>
<p>Burson-Marsteller&#8217;s work is primarily for corporations, ranging from Blackwater to Microsoft to the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, the sovereign wealth fund of the government of Abu Dhabi that recently purchased a 5% stake in Citigroup.</p>
<p>As Ari Berman&#8217;s Hillary, Inc. details, there&#8217;s every reason to be skeptical of Mark Penn&#8217;s willingness to help Democrats. He&#8217;s criticized Al Gore for running to far to the left in 2000 and when he was brought into the Clinton&#8217;s orbit by Dick Morris, he wasn&#8217;t even a political operative.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/24/14518/2213/544/463202" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/24/14518/2213/544/463202</a></p>
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		<title>By: susanunpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>susanunpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. Just trying to avoid the labels that we don't want or deserve here.  And, Mike, you have to ask yourself why his name is a fixation.... he didn't choose it / there are probably millions of Husseins in the U.S., as well as around the world.  There are thousands of Osamas in the U.S too. 

 (And I have so much research and writing to do / please don't make me keep debating this with you.  Your posts are VERY welcome here / your insults of me [and Lisa, a longtime friend who is as fair-minded but hip person as you'll meet] are unfair, and it has to stop.  PLEASE help let me do my job by not continuing to fight about this.  This is the part of having a blog that is a total drag -- having to spend big chunks of time on administrative stuff that should not be required.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. Just trying to avoid the labels that we don&#8217;t want or deserve here.  And, Mike, you have to ask yourself why his name is a fixation&#8230;. he didn&#8217;t choose it / there are probably millions of Husseins in the U.S., as well as around the world.  There are thousands of Osamas in the U.S too. </p>
<p> (And I have so much research and writing to do / please don&#8217;t make me keep debating this with you.  Your posts are VERY welcome here / your insults of me [and Lisa, a longtime friend who is as fair-minded but hip person as you'll meet] are unfair, and it has to stop.  PLEASE help let me do my job by not continuing to fight about this.  This is the part of having a blog that is a total drag &#8212; having to spend big chunks of time on administrative stuff that should not be required.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Howell</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/23/obama-launches-the-worst-kinds-of-attacks/#comment-144996</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SusanUNPC - 

     You mean to tell me that a Harvard attorney and his attorney wife would be unable to get his name changed if he didn' like it?

     You don't want the truth.  You're an enabler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SusanUNPC - </p>
<p>     You mean to tell me that a Harvard attorney and his attorney wife would be unable to get his name changed if he didn&#8217; like it?</p>
<p>     You don&#8217;t want the truth.  You&#8217;re an enabler.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Howell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>otherlisa - 

     All that from his name?  I think people bring their own prejudices and craziness to things.

     I wonder how you would do on a  Rorschach Test?  Would you read some racist conspiracy into it?

     You are lumping all people with Arabic names into associates of Saddam Hussein.  Don't put your weird shit off on me.

&lt;strong&gt;[ADMIN NOTE BY SUSANUNPC:  Mike, the argument is concluded.  We won't use that here.  Let the Free Republic people do that kind of stuff.  I enjoy your comments here very much, Mike, but we can be critical without getting into a name that he didn't choose and which his parents could have never foreseen would have someday been awkward for him.]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>otherlisa - </p>
<p>     All that from his name?  I think people bring their own prejudices and craziness to things.</p>
<p>     I wonder how you would do on a  Rorschach Test?  Would you read some racist conspiracy into it?</p>
<p>     You are lumping all people with Arabic names into associates of Saddam Hussein.  Don&#8217;t put your weird shit off on me.</p>
<p><strong>[ADMIN NOTE BY SUSANUNPC:  Mike, the argument is concluded.  We won't use that here.  Let the Free Republic people do that kind of stuff.  I enjoy your comments here very much, Mike, but we can be critical without getting into a name that he didn't choose and which his parents could have never foreseen would have someday been awkward for him.]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and everything to do with whatever his diabolical agenda is…which at a minimum is to get inside a “decision cycle” and manipulate it.


Teak,

Yep. And he will. Don't you think for a minute that Hillary doesn't have others of his mindset supporting, donating to and advising her.

They hate Obama and have made no secret of it as Larry (or Susan) has proven by making us aware of their accusations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and everything to do with whatever his diabolical agenda is…which at a minimum is to get inside a “decision cycle” and manipulate it.</p>
<p>Teak,</p>
<p>Yep. And he will. Don&#8217;t you think for a minute that Hillary doesn&#8217;t have others of his mindset supporting, donating to and advising her.</p>
<p>They hate Obama and have made no secret of it as Larry (or Susan) has proven by making us aware of their accusations.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You spout a great deal of high minded nonsense. As I’ve said, the plan that is eventually passed and signed into law will not resemble anything we see today. 

The larger picture is that you are running a Obama hit job column with a rule or ruin attitude. Hillary is queen and Obama is evil on almost every issue? Please .. look in the mirror.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama has ties to Tony Rezko, who may have terrorist ties, certainly to Auchi.


Why don't you explore that charge, before you try spinning?

It's not going away, the ideal goal is to see Obama in prison. 

They say Gov Blogojevich is Fitzgerald's ultimate target, I wonder if there are others?

Daily is SO corrupt, and Obama, and the Arab community he associates with are a large part of Daley's posse.

As far as I know, I have no criminal ties to terrorists, even looking in the mirror...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You spout a great deal of high minded nonsense. As I’ve said, the plan that is eventually passed and signed into law will not resemble anything we see today. </p>
<p>The larger picture is that you are running a Obama hit job column with a rule or ruin attitude. Hillary is queen and Obama is evil on almost every issue? Please .. look in the mirror.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama has ties to Tony Rezko, who may have terrorist ties, certainly to Auchi.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you explore that charge, before you try spinning?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not going away, the ideal goal is to see Obama in prison. </p>
<p>They say Gov Blogojevich is Fitzgerald&#8217;s ultimate target, I wonder if there are others?</p>
<p>Daily is SO corrupt, and Obama, and the Arab community he associates with are a large part of Daley&#8217;s posse.</p>
<p>As far as I know, I have no criminal ties to terrorists, even looking in the mirror&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Farrakhan connection IS creepy. But trying to fuel fears of some kind of hidden Muslim conspiracy starts going to Islamofascist-Nazi land, and I’ve had enough of that with the last 7 years of Bush and his neocons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The truth is difficult, but men in power do bad things, sometimes, and if you want to stop it, you have to face it, and deal with it, and them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Farrakhan connection IS creepy. But trying to fuel fears of some kind of hidden Muslim conspiracy starts going to Islamofascist-Nazi land, and I’ve had enough of that with the last 7 years of Bush and his neocons.</p></blockquote>
<p>The truth is difficult, but men in power do bad things, sometimes, and if you want to stop it, you have to face it, and deal with it, and them.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He will destroy all we have worked for&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama?

No, he is owned, like Bush.

But rather than lead America, it will always be a case of minimizing the damage.

And we've had enough of that, let's get someone in who can lead, who isn't owned by K-Street, and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He will destroy all we have worked for</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama?</p>
<p>No, he is owned, like Bush.</p>
<p>But rather than lead America, it will always be a case of minimizing the damage.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;ve had enough of that, let&#8217;s get someone in who can lead, who isn&#8217;t owned by K-Street, and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Saturday Feb.23 I attended the Hillary rally at Wayne High School in Dayton Ohio with my mother who is 80.  I arrived at the school at 10 a.m and the line was all ready several hundred people long (my mother had gotten their even earlier and had saved a spot, she is completely devoted to Hillary).  
   
Hillary packed the house and once in side we heard that people kept coming and the line kept growing.I heard later that many thought close to 4000 showed up to get into an auditorium that held only 700 people.    

The crowd was made up of no nonsense working class women, men and young Americans.  These folks are the backbone of our nation, the salt of the earth crowd.  The folks who try to work hard, pay their bills and taxes, serve in the military and have lost tens of thousands of jobs to U.S. companies going overseas.    As I talked with many of the Hillary supporters they expressed enthusiasm for what many believe to be a historic moment for women and a critical moment for our country.    I talked with GM workers, Teamsters, teachers, lots and lots of older women and men who felt that Hillary had worked hard for this opportunity and had the wisdom and experience to  take on this important job.  At one point Hillary said to the crowd to think about this election not so much as a "vote but that they had to hire the most qualified and tested person" for this job.  At that point the crowd exploded into another chorus of "Hillary Hillary Hillary"    I heard many folks say that they "trusted" and admired Hillary. I heard repeatedly that they "trusted" that she could clean up the health care mess that many find themselves in and that she understood deeply how to work in a bi-partisan way to get the job done.  I heard many people use the word "trust" in regard to Hillary.   Many also said that they liked the idea that our nation would get two highly qualified leaders for the price one.

Hillary spoke about Health care, equity in education, taking care of our Vets, getting out of Iraq, smart trade, creating jobs, freezing mortgage rates etc etc.  She had strong words for the "shameless" tactics being used by the Obama campaign in spreading "misleading and discredited" information on her stance on health care and Nafta.  She referred to herself as the "change maker"   The crowd's calls for "Hillary Hillary, Hillary" were thunderous and rocked the gym.  

The enthusiasm was infectious especially coming from women older than me ( 55) who really wanted to witness a highly qualified and experienced public servant become President of the U.S.  Many older women began to cry when she was speaking, this was very  moving. 

  Even after all of this I continue to be on the fence about Hillary.   Especially when Hillary referred to the "war in Afghanistan" and how "no one gets away with attacking the U.S."   Come on Hillary  most people know that 15 of the individuals who rammed U.S. planes into the world trade centers were from Saudi Arabia.  We certainly did not invade Saudi Arabia.  This statement had me reflecting on my many conversations with my friend from Afghanistan who has shared that many Afghani's feel that their country is being occupied by the U.S. and that we have failed miserably there. (increase in poppy production and the power of the Taliban on the rise)   It made me feel once again that Hillary underestimates the intellect of the working class.  I really think that Obama's message of diplomacy and using new strategies internationally resonate with all sorts of folks who are tired of this aggressive "we're number one" strategy. 

Anyway ...I do think Hillary is going to sweep Ohio up.  I continue to hear many of my 50 something friends say that they are committed to Hillary.



Another observation...I was sitting in a front row and watched the national press corp.  From what I witnessed I did not see them interview or interact with one local Dayton citizens.  Tired of hearing what they think...INTERVIEW THE LOCALS! 

A Tip...Hillary should walk over to the older folks first after her speeches.  Those who are so anxious to meet her and may not be around for the next election.  They were sitting right in front of Hillary along with many handicapped people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Saturday Feb.23 I attended the Hillary rally at Wayne High School in Dayton Ohio with my mother who is 80.  I arrived at the school at 10 a.m and the line was all ready several hundred people long (my mother had gotten their even earlier and had saved a spot, she is completely devoted to Hillary).  </p>
<p>Hillary packed the house and once in side we heard that people kept coming and the line kept growing.I heard later that many thought close to 4000 showed up to get into an auditorium that held only 700 people.    </p>
<p>The crowd was made up of no nonsense working class women, men and young Americans.  These folks are the backbone of our nation, the salt of the earth crowd.  The folks who try to work hard, pay their bills and taxes, serve in the military and have lost tens of thousands of jobs to U.S. companies going overseas.    As I talked with many of the Hillary supporters they expressed enthusiasm for what many believe to be a historic moment for women and a critical moment for our country.    I talked with GM workers, Teamsters, teachers, lots and lots of older women and men who felt that Hillary had worked hard for this opportunity and had the wisdom and experience to  take on this important job.  At one point Hillary said to the crowd to think about this election not so much as a &#8220;vote but that they had to hire the most qualified and tested person&#8221; for this job.  At that point the crowd exploded into another chorus of &#8220;Hillary Hillary Hillary&#8221;    I heard many folks say that they &#8220;trusted&#8221; and admired Hillary. I heard repeatedly that they &#8220;trusted&#8221; that she could clean up the health care mess that many find themselves in and that she understood deeply how to work in a bi-partisan way to get the job done.  I heard many people use the word &#8220;trust&#8221; in regard to Hillary.   Many also said that they liked the idea that our nation would get two highly qualified leaders for the price one.</p>
<p>Hillary spoke about Health care, equity in education, taking care of our Vets, getting out of Iraq, smart trade, creating jobs, freezing mortgage rates etc etc.  She had strong words for the &#8220;shameless&#8221; tactics being used by the Obama campaign in spreading &#8220;misleading and discredited&#8221; information on her stance on health care and Nafta.  She referred to herself as the &#8220;change maker&#8221;   The crowd&#8217;s calls for &#8220;Hillary Hillary, Hillary&#8221; were thunderous and rocked the gym.  </p>
<p>The enthusiasm was infectious especially coming from women older than me ( 55) who really wanted to witness a highly qualified and experienced public servant become President of the U.S.  Many older women began to cry when she was speaking, this was very  moving. </p>
<p>  Even after all of this I continue to be on the fence about Hillary.   Especially when Hillary referred to the &#8220;war in Afghanistan&#8221; and how &#8220;no one gets away with attacking the U.S.&#8221;   Come on Hillary  most people know that 15 of the individuals who rammed U.S. planes into the world trade centers were from Saudi Arabia.  We certainly did not invade Saudi Arabia.  This statement had me reflecting on my many conversations with my friend from Afghanistan who has shared that many Afghani&#8217;s feel that their country is being occupied by the U.S. and that we have failed miserably there. (increase in poppy production and the power of the Taliban on the rise)   It made me feel once again that Hillary underestimates the intellect of the working class.  I really think that Obama&#8217;s message of diplomacy and using new strategies internationally resonate with all sorts of folks who are tired of this aggressive &#8220;we&#8217;re number one&#8221; strategy. </p>
<p>Anyway &#8230;I do think Hillary is going to sweep Ohio up.  I continue to hear many of my 50 something friends say that they are committed to Hillary.</p>
<p>Another observation&#8230;I was sitting in a front row and watched the national press corp.  From what I witnessed I did not see them interview or interact with one local Dayton citizens.  Tired of hearing what they think&#8230;INTERVIEW THE LOCALS! </p>
<p>A Tip&#8230;Hillary should walk over to the older folks first after her speeches.  Those who are so anxious to meet her and may not be around for the next election.  They were sitting right in front of Hillary along with many handicapped people.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/23/obama-launches-the-worst-kinds-of-attacks/#comment-144534</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Its just a game to them..like the Cold war was.. and Con game with Iraq.. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

With consequnce, though, even for them.

Bill Kristol was on Fox, today, telling Hillary to use fear to puncture Obama's hope meme, and that's nonsense.

It is not good for any of us to live in a perpetually frightened America -- fear does not innovate, bottom line, and without innovation, we're dead meat. See Bush v B. Clinton, economic development.

And it is THAT intellecutalism, innovation, that keeps us ahead of others, keeps defense strong, and it must be based on truth.

But I guess game playing makes world situations more palatable, it's difficult thinking, for them, I suppose, one fuck up can mean Russia owning the Middle East, or prison, for others. 

So, turn it into football. 

Where the Hell is Elliot Ness when you need him the Most</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Its just a game to them..like the Cold war was.. and Con game with Iraq.. </p></blockquote>
<p>With consequnce, though, even for them.</p>
<p>Bill Kristol was on Fox, today, telling Hillary to use fear to puncture Obama&#8217;s hope meme, and that&#8217;s nonsense.</p>
<p>It is not good for any of us to live in a perpetually frightened America &#8212; fear does not innovate, bottom line, and without innovation, we&#8217;re dead meat. See Bush v B. Clinton, economic development.</p>
<p>And it is THAT intellecutalism, innovation, that keeps us ahead of others, keeps defense strong, and it must be based on truth.</p>
<p>But I guess game playing makes world situations more palatable, it&#8217;s difficult thinking, for them, I suppose, one fuck up can mean Russia owning the Middle East, or prison, for others. </p>
<p>So, turn it into football. </p>
<p>Where the Hell is Elliot Ness when you need him the Most</p>
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		<title>By: otherlisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>otherlisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I'm sorry, this is deeply silly. I know full well what Obama's name is, and nothing I say here will turn it into a big secret. I maintain that you are adopting a rightwing talking point with your constant repetition of "Hussein." It reminds me of the Saturday night live sketch when Dana Carvey played Bush 1 and finally chanted "Saddam, Saddam, SADDAM!" Pronouncing it like "Sodom."

The Farrakhan connection IS creepy. But trying to fuel fears of some kind of hidden Muslim conspiracy starts going to Islamofascist-Nazi land, and I've had enough of that with the last 7 years of Bush and his neocons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I&#8217;m sorry, this is deeply silly. I know full well what Obama&#8217;s name is, and nothing I say here will turn it into a big secret. I maintain that you are adopting a rightwing talking point with your constant repetition of &#8220;Hussein.&#8221; It reminds me of the Saturday night live sketch when Dana Carvey played Bush 1 and finally chanted &#8220;Saddam, Saddam, SADDAM!&#8221; Pronouncing it like &#8220;Sodom.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Farrakhan connection IS creepy. But trying to fuel fears of some kind of hidden Muslim conspiracy starts going to Islamofascist-Nazi land, and I&#8217;ve had enough of that with the last 7 years of Bush and his neocons.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/23/obama-launches-the-worst-kinds-of-attacks/#comment-144471</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the thing Cee. Ask yourself, why is this person saying this? 
With respect; you are seriously asking me to believe the punk is endorsing Hillary because he likes her? 

&lt;em&gt;will be more sympathetic to &lt;strong&gt;his&lt;/strong&gt; agenda than the alternatives.&lt;/em&gt;

What is his AGENDA? 
Do you play chess Cee? Your opponents pieces are just as valuable to you as your own. 
This endorsement has zero to do with Hillary and everything to do with whatever his diabolical agenda is...which at a minimum is to get inside a "decision cycle" and manipulate it. 
Would you fire a weapon or use a parachute that was loaded/packed by someone you did not trust? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing Cee. Ask yourself, why is this person saying this?<br />
With respect; you are seriously asking me to believe the punk is endorsing Hillary because he likes her? </p>
<p><em>will be more sympathetic to <strong>his</strong> agenda than the alternatives.</em></p>
<p>What is his AGENDA?<br />
Do you play chess Cee? Your opponents pieces are just as valuable to you as your own.<br />
This endorsement has zero to do with Hillary and everything to do with whatever his diabolical agenda is&#8230;which at a minimum is to get inside a &#8220;decision cycle&#8221; and manipulate it.<br />
Would you fire a weapon or use a parachute that was loaded/packed by someone you did not trust? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think those that do blindly follow jeopordize the true left&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Less about left and right, more about criminal.

And criminal in this case is both democratic, and republican.

As are the non-criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think those that do blindly follow jeopordize the true left</p></blockquote>
<p>Less about left and right, more about criminal.</p>
<p>And criminal in this case is both democratic, and republican.</p>
<p>As are the non-criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: DisenfranchisedVoter</title>
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		<dc:creator>DisenfranchisedVoter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm half black and I feel the same as Sugar. I also have two black friends I know of who have vowed to vote for McCain instead of Obama. Btw, all three of us are left of center and never thought about voting for a Republican. 
We all believe that Obama is the most self-righteous, arrogant, shallow candidate since George W. Bush. Race has nothing to do with our decision. Not ALL blacks vote based on skin color. Some of us actually look at substantive issues and policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m half black and I feel the same as Sugar. I also have two black friends I know of who have vowed to vote for McCain instead of Obama. Btw, all three of us are left of center and never thought about voting for a Republican.<br />
We all believe that Obama is the most self-righteous, arrogant, shallow candidate since George W. Bush. Race has nothing to do with our decision. Not ALL blacks vote based on skin color. Some of us actually look at substantive issues and policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Cee</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/23/obama-launches-the-worst-kinds-of-attacks/#comment-144449</link>
		<dc:creator>Cee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teak,

Sure he is. 

Clinton Wins Coveted Bill Kristol Endorsement
07 Aug 2007 10:17 am

According to The Washington Post, he says "Obama is becoming the antiwar candidate, and Hillary Clinton is becoming the responsible Democrat who could become commander in chief in a post-9/11 world." One can try to speculate that Kristol is playing some odd angles here, but I think the record indicates that he's genuinely more committed to war -- criticized Republican critics of the Kosovo War, criticized Bill Clinton for not killing enough people during the Kosovo War, backed John McCain in the 2000 primaries -- and based on the evidence thinks Clinton will be more sympathetic to his agenda than the alternatives.

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/clinton_wins_coveted_bill_kris.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teak,</p>
<p>Sure he is. </p>
<p>Clinton Wins Coveted Bill Kristol Endorsement<br />
07 Aug 2007 10:17 am</p>
<p>According to The Washington Post, he says &#8220;Obama is becoming the antiwar candidate, and Hillary Clinton is becoming the responsible Democrat who could become commander in chief in a post-9/11 world.&#8221; One can try to speculate that Kristol is playing some odd angles here, but I think the record indicates that he&#8217;s genuinely more committed to war &#8212; criticized Republican critics of the Kosovo War, criticized Bill Clinton for not killing enough people during the Kosovo War, backed John McCain in the 2000 primaries &#8212; and based on the evidence thinks Clinton will be more sympathetic to his agenda than the alternatives.</p>
<p><a href="http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/clinton_wins_coveted_bill_kris.php" rel="nofollow">http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/clinton_wins_coveted_bill_kris.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Independent</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/23/obama-launches-the-worst-kinds-of-attacks/#comment-144436</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary better be nice or she won't even get the VP nod. Those mailings are two months old, and accurate. What makes you think Hillary can do any better than Obama on health care when she blew it last time. She Still wants Big Biz Health Care to make the rules. Screw that, I want someone that at least fights it a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary better be nice or she won&#8217;t even get the VP nod. Those mailings are two months old, and accurate. What makes you think Hillary can do any better than Obama on health care when she blew it last time. She Still wants Big Biz Health Care to make the rules. Screw that, I want someone that at least fights it a little.</p>
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