Comments on: What Does Universal Healthcare Mean? A Canadian Physician’s Experience of the Current Healthcare System in America http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:11:43 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: wawi http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-209607 wawi Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:05:53 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-209607 This is a nice and friendly forum, and the issue is very important. Sadly almost all the commments and the article itself are all annecdotal. I lived in Canada for many years, born there actually and now live in Israel. Israel also has a National Health Care System. What is not stated, is that in both countries when putting together a Life Insurance plan, one also pays out a wad for private medical insurance. Interestingly if the state decides that your ailment is obscure enough to be ignored, you will not be covered. As for waiting for operations, waiting six months or more is a very long wait, & many die who cannot afford to go elsewhere. What is also not mentioned is that over fifteen percent of everyone's tax dollars in Canada go to Health Care, and that is only Federal taxes, there are also provincial taxes to be paid. The doctor made it sound as if he was paying for the suffering woman out of his own pocket, out of the good of his heart, when it was taxpayers who footed the bill. I enjoy National Health Care, but it is not the end all, and the varying facts are being ignord. Whether it comes out of your tax dollars or goes to purchasing private insurance, the money is still going out, it then comes down to whether you think that the gov't is most equipped to be telling the doctors what to treat, and what you can recieve and when. Be Well. This is a nice and friendly forum, and the issue is very important. Sadly almost all the commments and the article itself are all annecdotal.
I lived in Canada for many years, born there actually and now live in Israel. Israel also has a National Health Care System.
What is not stated, is that in both countries when putting together a Life Insurance plan, one also pays out a wad for private medical insurance. Interestingly if the state decides that your ailment is obscure enough to be ignored, you will not be covered.
As for waiting for operations, waiting six months or more is a very long wait, & many die who cannot afford to go elsewhere.
What is also not mentioned is that over fifteen percent of everyone’s tax dollars in Canada go to Health Care, and that is only Federal taxes, there are also provincial taxes to be paid.
The doctor made it sound as if he was paying for the suffering woman out of his own pocket, out of the good of his heart, when it was taxpayers who footed the bill.
I enjoy National Health Care, but it is not the end all, and the varying facts are being ignord.
Whether it comes out of your tax dollars or goes to purchasing private insurance, the money is still going out, it then comes down to whether you think that the gov’t is most equipped to be telling the doctors what to treat, and what you can recieve and when.
Be Well.

]]> By: marco polo http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-158477 marco polo Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:05:45 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-158477 I can't wait for them to decide you cant have a liver transplant becuase you are a drunk, then because you are to old. This system can work, but be careful you have eugenicists out there still. I can’t wait for them to decide you cant have a liver transplant becuase you are a drunk, then because you are to old. This system can work, but be careful you have eugenicists out there still.

]]> By: Obama’s “Universal Health Care” = Selective Mandates & $$$ Fines for Parents.. « Canuck Gal http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-153292 Obama’s “Universal Health Care” = Selective Mandates & $$$ Fines for Parents.. « Canuck Gal Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:43:08 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-153292 [...] Dr. Carolyn on No Quarter (*must read*) [...] [...] Dr. Carolyn on No Quarter (*must read*) [...]

]]> By: Universal Health Care - A Canadian Physician’s Perspective « Canuck Gal http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151876 Universal Health Care - A Canadian Physician’s Perspective « Canuck Gal Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:28:39 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151876 [...] brilliant, briliant description by Dr. Carolyn at the noquarter blog of what life is like in a health care crisis in a country with and without universal health [...] [...] brilliant, briliant description by Dr. Carolyn at the noquarter blog of what life is like in a health care crisis in a country with and without universal health [...]

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151857 Ian Welsh Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:32:59 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151857 Unfortunately there are no statistics that show the US having better health care than other industrialized nations. On the majority of metrics countries like Germany and France are as good or better. And by majority I mean in excess of 95%. The idea that the US has the best healthcare in the world is simply false and is backed up by zero evidence. Even Canada beats or equals the US on virtually every metric except for optional surgery, and Canada is coming close on that one as well. No, you've just been sold a bill of goods, and because you don't want to believe that the US actually sucks at something (healthcare delivery)you believe it. Unfortunately there are no statistics that show the US having better health care than other industrialized nations. On the majority of metrics countries like Germany and France are as good or better. And by majority I mean in excess of 95%. The idea that the US has the best healthcare in the world is simply false and is backed up by zero evidence. Even Canada beats or equals the US on virtually every metric except for optional surgery, and Canada is coming close on that one as well.

No, you’ve just been sold a bill of goods, and because you don’t want to believe that the US actually sucks at something (healthcare delivery)you believe it.

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151855 Ian Welsh Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:25:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151855 God that's sad. I'm Canadian too, and this stuff alternately makes me furious and sad. Today, it's sad. All that pain and suffering is just so unnecessary. God that’s sad. I’m Canadian too, and this stuff alternately makes me furious and sad. Today, it’s sad. All that pain and suffering is just so unnecessary.

]]> By: Centrocitta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151162 Centrocitta Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:45:07 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151162 Don't blame your unhealthy society on the Mexicans. Mexico has a much lower rate of Cancer than does the USA. Latin people all over the world, in fact, have much less cancer and heart disease. The sick people in America are the Anglos and the Jews. Don’t blame your unhealthy society on the Mexicans. Mexico has a much lower rate of Cancer than does the USA. Latin people all over the world, in fact, have much less cancer and heart disease. The sick people in America are the Anglos and the Jews.

]]> By: ChrisXP http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151063 ChrisXP Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:11:15 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151063 BTW, since you're being snarky about your MD: I'm well abreast with heathcare issues, having worked in health access for 5 years. Not from a lofty ivory tower, but with shoe leather actually doing person-to-person surveys to address the health concerns <strong>of the most-in-need in 13 counties</strong>; to pushing medications to NOT be pulled from a hospital formulary; to trying to keep a hospital budget from being red-lined to the bone. So speak what you know, okay? I've actually been through the whole process <em>at policy level</em>. I advocate <strong>reality based</strong> healthcare solutions. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water, because something radical just sounds great on paper -- or does an O-Bomba with it (talk the talk, but don't walk the walk). <em>Right, doc?</em> The problem is the OVERALL cost of healthcare (which I was addressing, above, in the first place). Just because someone pays $54/mon doesn't mean they pay for the <strong>full cost</strong> of their healthcare. The government pays for it, <strong>and that government is spending more than it's taking in to do so</strong>. The result is cuts. Now paper pushers and docs like you would rather have a job, and prescription prices are largely fixed. So guess what gets squeezed out? <strong>Access to the very healthcare you preach.</strong> How? <strong>Cutting services</strong>. This is very apparent in Canada with mothballing hospitals, and long waits for ESSENTIAL services (why there's a over-the-border cottage industry in the US for Canadians to pay for what your own government forces them to endure -- like that MRI a friend of mine needed so much, <strong>but was put on a 3 month hold</strong> that would've KILLED him. Your docs didn't care that he had a brain injury from an accident, that he could barely sit upright even. He had someone drive him over the border. Got his MRI, found the problem, got his surgery here. And still trying to recover lost functions from the incompetence of your healthcare system. He's so upset he wants to be an American citizen!!). <em>It's no wonder why socialized medicine endorses euthanasia, right doc????</em> It's a shell game you're promoting, doc. Rather treat the black eye, and rob the bank in the process to do so, <strong>bankrupting the very welfare you're promoting</strong>. That's robbing Peter to pay Paul. It gets no one nowhere in the end. BTW, since you’re being snarky about your MD: I’m well abreast with heathcare issues, having worked in health access for 5 years. Not from a lofty ivory tower, but with shoe leather actually doing person-to-person surveys to address the health concerns of the most-in-need in 13 counties; to pushing medications to NOT be pulled from a hospital formulary; to trying to keep a hospital budget from being red-lined to the bone.

So speak what you know, okay? I’ve actually been through the whole process at policy level.

I advocate reality based healthcare solutions. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water, because something radical just sounds great on paper — or does an O-Bomba with it (talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk).

Right, doc?

The problem is the OVERALL cost of healthcare (which I was addressing, above, in the first place). Just because someone pays $54/mon doesn’t mean they pay for the full cost of their healthcare. The government pays for it, and that government is spending more than it’s taking in to do so.

The result is cuts. Now paper pushers and docs like you would rather have a job, and prescription prices are largely fixed. So guess what gets squeezed out?

Access to the very healthcare you preach.

How?

Cutting services.

This is very apparent in Canada with mothballing hospitals, and long waits for ESSENTIAL services (why there’s a over-the-border cottage industry in the US for Canadians to pay for what your own government forces them to endure — like that MRI a friend of mine needed so much, but was put on a 3 month hold that would’ve KILLED him. Your docs didn’t care that he had a brain injury from an accident, that he could barely sit upright even. He had someone drive him over the border. Got his MRI, found the problem, got his surgery here. And still trying to recover lost functions from the incompetence of your healthcare system. He’s so upset he wants to be an American citizen!!).

It’s no wonder why socialized medicine endorses euthanasia, right doc????

It’s a shell game you’re promoting, doc. Rather treat the black eye, and rob the bank in the process to do so, bankrupting the very welfare you’re promoting.

That’s robbing Peter to pay Paul. It gets no one nowhere in the end.

]]> By: ChrisXP http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151052 ChrisXP Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:12:45 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151052 <blockquote>While it may be true some immigrants have worse health than the general population, I don’t think it can be at all shown that immigrants usually have poor health. They are also not a large percentage of the population only 12%</blockquote> How will anyone know with illegals? How will anyone know what disease they can bring into the US, too? <blockquote> (high for recent history,but well short of late 18 or early 1900s) and many of those are young heathy workers.</blockquote> Immigrants were screened of health conditions at Ellis Island. Those with scourges like TB (The White Plague) were barred entry. So, yeah, those that entered were healthy upon entering this country. Can anyone state the same with illegals, that are increasing the costs of health itself? No.

While it may be true some immigrants have worse health than the general population, I don’t think it can be at all shown that immigrants usually have poor health. They are also not a large percentage of the population only 12%

How will anyone know with illegals? How will anyone know what disease they can bring into the US, too?

(high for recent history,but well short of late 18 or early 1900s) and many of those are young heathy workers.

Immigrants were screened of health conditions at Ellis Island. Those with scourges like TB (The White Plague) were barred entry. So, yeah, those that entered were healthy upon entering this country.

Can anyone state the same with illegals, that are increasing the costs of health itself?

No.

]]> By: rick http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151039 rick Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:32:14 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151039 While it may be true some immigrants have worse health than the general population, I don't think it can be at all shown that immigrants usually have poor health. They are also not a large percentage of the population only 12% (high for recent history,but well short of late 18 or early 1900s) and many of those are young heathy workers. They're numbers are not overwhelming the HC industry. Reguarding your second point, it ssems that economies of scale would come in to play. With 10X the pop, it should actually be cheaper to care for each individual. While it may be true some immigrants have worse health than the general population, I don’t think it can be at all shown that immigrants usually have poor health. They are also not a large percentage of the population only 12%
(high for recent history,but well short of late 18 or early 1900s) and many of those are young heathy workers. They’re numbers are not overwhelming the HC industry.

Reguarding your second point, it ssems that economies of scale would come in to play. With 10X the pop, it should actually be cheaper to care for each individual.

]]> By: rick http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151022 rick Tue, 04 Mar 2008 06:36:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-151022 Just the luck of the draw. I have heard both horror stories in both continents. I heard on of my colleges talk about how much better we Americans have it, as his sister broke here wrist in Europe only to have the doctors do a shoddy job of resetting it. Well my mother broke both her wrists in the US, only to have American doctors set them crooked. Same outcome. My son was in the ER over Chrismas break with severe abdominal pains for 2 days. We worried about appendicitis. It turns out it was nothing serious. but we had to wait about 4 hours. We have insurance so we only have to pay about $1000 out of pocket as it is early in the year, It still seems high for what was done. The full bill is conciraably higher. About 5 years ago, my brother in law had an obsructed instestine. He lost about 1 foot of large intestine. Anyway it came on suddenly and he was taken almost unconscious to the ER. It was a busy day so it took him six hours to get in. The pain was so bad that his blood presure shot up and he had a stroke a few hours after ariving, and before he was seen. The point is depending on location, both coninants can suply horror stories, but when a statistical study is done, both have about the same success rates. The only differance is one system does not cover a large segment of thier population. It also causes many to fall into finanatioal ruin(A large percentage of bankruptcies are due to medical bills). It also tends to cost about twice as much as the other system. For some rreason most people in the US forget that the for profit medical isurance industry is fairly new. It doesn't have to be that way. It is twice as costly and it is debatable as to whether it is more effective. Having a system for twice the price and debatable extra effectiveness does not sound like a good idea. It makes us consumers her in the US look like rubes. One always hears "well the no such thing as a free lunch" when addressing this problem. It seems to me someone's getting a free lunch, it's just not the consumers. When we pay twice the price the extra money is going somewhere. It is twicw Just the luck of the draw. I have heard both horror stories in both continents. I heard on of my colleges talk about how much better we Americans have it, as his sister broke here wrist in Europe only to have the doctors do a shoddy job of resetting it. Well my mother broke both her wrists in the US, only to have American doctors set them crooked. Same outcome.

My son was in the ER over Chrismas break with severe abdominal pains for 2 days. We worried about appendicitis. It turns out it was nothing serious. but we had to wait about 4 hours. We have insurance so we only have to pay about $1000 out of pocket as it is early in the year, It still seems high for what was done. The full bill is conciraably higher.

About 5 years ago, my brother in law had an obsructed instestine. He lost about 1 foot of large intestine. Anyway it came on suddenly and he was taken almost unconscious to the ER. It was a busy day so it took him six hours to get in. The pain was so bad that his blood presure shot up and he had a stroke a few hours after ariving, and before he was seen.

The point is depending on location, both coninants can suply horror stories, but when a statistical study is done, both have about the same success rates. The only differance is one system does not cover a large segment of thier population. It also causes many to fall into finanatioal ruin(A large percentage of bankruptcies are due to medical bills). It also tends to cost about twice as much as the other system.

For some rreason most people in the US forget that the for profit medical isurance industry is fairly new. It doesn’t have to be that way. It is twice as costly and it is debatable as to whether it is more effective. Having a system for twice the price and debatable extra effectiveness does not sound like a good idea. It makes us consumers her in the US look like rubes. One always hears “well the no such thing as a free lunch” when addressing this problem. It seems to me someone’s getting a free lunch, it’s just not the consumers. When we pay twice the price the extra money is going somewhere.

It is twicw

]]> By: Dr.Carolyn http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-150972 Dr.Carolyn Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:59:41 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-150972 Your comments puzzle me. Senator Clintons plans are exceptionally well laid out at www.hillaryclinton.com I believe all of your questions would be answered were you to spend some time reading instead of complaining. Your comments puzzle me. Senator Clintons plans are exceptionally well laid out at http://www.hillaryclinton.com I believe all of your questions would be answered were you to spend some time reading instead of complaining.

]]> By: Dr.Carolyn http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-150965 Dr.Carolyn Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:51:53 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-150965 Chris, In Canada a large percentage of our tax dollars does go to funding our healthcare system. This is true. More of our tax dollars goes to health care than military. This is also true. However, the most a Canadian has to pay for health care is $54/month. I can say this with %100 accuracy as this is what I pay being in a higher tax bracket on account of my profession. So Chris, unless you really know what you are talking about, I would recommend thinking before you write. You might find it someone refreshing! Chris,
In Canada a large percentage of our tax dollars does go to funding our healthcare system. This is true. More of our tax dollars goes to health care than military. This is also true. However, the most a Canadian has to pay for health care is $54/month. I can say this with %100 accuracy as this is what I pay being in a higher tax bracket on account of my profession. So Chris, unless you really know what you are talking about, I would recommend thinking before you write. You might find it someone refreshing!

]]> By: ChrisXP http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-150758 ChrisXP Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:16:52 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-150758 Last time I was in the ER (about 2 years ago), from the time I was in the door to the time I was seen by medical staff (after inprocessing that took about 10 minutes) was 45 minutes. In contrast to military healthcare (closest thing we have in the US as "universal" in application), when I had a femur broken due to an auto accident, it took 4hrs to just get an X-Ray. Another 2hrs to set it (they tried first to put in a skeletal traction pin [reading this doc] without any anesthetic -- don't you love horror stories????). Now [doc are you reading this MORE??] what is the complication that can happen with long bone fractures? FES. Okay, despite this danger they had me in a room without any monitoring until they found me literally blue. Why? Staff shortage! Spent a week in the MICU fighting for my life. Oh, I can go on about the horrible "care" (ever tried sucking Jello through a straw, since you couldn't feed yourself as both hands/arms were boarded and the table was a foot above you, nor any staff cared to help [oh, the irony here was they were mad when my sis brought me a burger to eat [do you know HOW hungry you get on massive steroids????], and so nice to hold it for me!!]????) -- but that is enough to give you the gist of the situation. Naw, you can keep your "universal" healthcare, thank you! Last time I was in the ER (about 2 years ago), from the time I was in the door to the time I was seen by medical staff (after inprocessing that took about 10 minutes) was 45 minutes.

In contrast to military healthcare (closest thing we have in the US as “universal” in application), when I had a femur broken due to an auto accident, it took 4hrs to just get an X-Ray. Another 2hrs to set it (they tried first to put in a skeletal traction pin [reading this doc] without any anesthetic — don’t you love horror stories????). Now [doc are you reading this MORE??] what is the complication that can happen with long bone fractures? FES. Okay, despite this danger they had me in a room without any monitoring until they found me literally blue. Why? Staff shortage! Spent a week in the MICU fighting for my life. Oh, I can go on about the horrible “care” (ever tried sucking Jello through a straw, since you couldn’t feed yourself as both hands/arms were boarded and the table was a foot above you, nor any staff cared to help [oh, the irony here was they were mad when my sis brought me a burger to eat [do you know HOW hungry you get on massive steroids????], and so nice to hold it for me!!]????) — but that is enough to give you the gist of the situation.

Naw, you can keep your “universal” healthcare, thank you!

]]> By: waldenpond http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-150732 waldenpond Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:36:20 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/03/what-does-universal-healthcare-mean%c2%a0a-canadian-physician%e2%80%99s-experience-of-the-current-healthcare-system-in-america/#comment-150732 Who is going to? Who is going to?

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