Election Results Thread (Open)
By SusanUnPC on March 4, 2008 at 7:21 PM in Current Affairs
UPDATE 6: Jeralyn is live-blogging a “jubilant” Hillary’s victory speech.
UPDATE 5: A reliable person tells me, “At precincts 664 and 792 in Houston, TX - major voter intimidation. The police have been called.” [OHIO and TEXAS CALLED FOR HILLARY!] [FOX News is emphasizing that Clinton can close the deal by continuing to emphasize the "Commander In Chief" meme. Now let's DONATE -- she needs every dime we can give her to seal this deal!]
UPDATE x4: SEE MY TRANSCRIBED NOTES OF THE REPORTER’S ACCOUNT. I am transcribing, the gist of it but nearly verbatim, this report by backing up the DVR, Brit Hume hosting, from Fox reporter Steve Brown at Clinton headquarters in Columbus, Ohio — No Quarter readers, this is dirty Chicago-style politics, all the way (find a friendly judge, game “cherry-picked” precincts):
Couple developments. One, there is some nervousness … turnout in southeast portion of state is lower than projected…. blamed on flooding. The other thing is a development that happened earlier this evening in Cuayoga (sp) County where a federal judge — the judge’s name is Solomon Oliver — extended the voting hours in a certain number of precincts (he thinks 19-21) based on an application made by the Barack Obama campaign attorney, or one of the attorneys … Now, for a judge to override the state law, and extend voting hours, there needs to at least be some evidence, or so you would think.
But I got a phone call from Chris Radford, who is the chair of the Ohio Democratic party. He took a look at the application, and the judge’s hand-signed order to extend the order, and he said there was no evidence. There was no evidence of a ballot shortage. There was no sworn deposition to long lines, nor was there any witness brought in to describe the bad weather. [Found the spot on my DVR, and am continuing to transcribe again.]
Apparently, Jennfier Bruner, the Secretary of State, discovered this — the extended voting had taken place — and it was just minutes before it closed. But it was her intention to close that down and at least appeal the judge’s order immediately, but it was six minutes to 9:00, and the voting had already just about been completed.
Now, on top of all this, you have a situation where Jennifer Bruner has been quoted on a blog on the Cincinnati Enquirer saying that these particular precincts were “cherry-picked.” I talked to a couple of Clinton officials who wouldn’t go on the record but I asked them, “Are these precincts largely African-American?” And what I got was a lot of nods. The Clinton campaign won’t say it publicly, but they believe that they have been put in a box by this situation. If they go strong and challenge the order, then they may offend some folks in the AA community …
Earlier: For a sanity break, check out Fox News. It’s news and some spin, but without the obsessively neurotic psychoanalyzing. Really. “The Clinton campaign has done some things right in the last three days … Obama may be hanging on by his fingernails …”
UPDATE x3: From Marc Ambinder at The Atlantic: “The Clinton campaign said tonight that Obama precinct workers illegally obtained caucus packets in the following Texas caucus precincts: …” He lists the precincts, more. Read all.
UPDATE x2: Obama Camp Infiltrates Clinton Call: “ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Talal Al-Khatib Report: In one of the most bizarre moments of the 2008 campaign, Obama campaign lawyer Bob Bauer called into a Hillary Clinton conference call with reporters, asking a series of antagonistic questions.” (Via MyDD diary) SEE ALSO, from The Hill: “Clinton cries foul in Texas; Obama lawyer hijacks call.” (”Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) campaign charged rival Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) campaign with breaking several rules in the Texas caucuses. …”)
… Obama campaign had shut the doors on Clinton supporters at some of the caucuses, among other things.
The campaign also said the Obama camp had hijacked some of the caucus packets at certain precincts, adding that in others Obama supporters were calling in caucus results before the polls had closed.
Ace Smith, Clinton’s Texas campaign director, said the state party’s election hotline was jammed, and the Clinton campaign was receiving “hundreds of complaints.”
“This is just truly outrageous behavior,” Smith said. “It’s really disturbing, and it’s really undemocratic what’s going on.”
UPDATE / Big Tent Democrat: “NBC, If You Don’t Want To Cover The Dem Race, Please Stop Covering It.” (From his story: “NBC seems upset that Hillary Clinton is not likely to drop out of the race tonight. They really seem to not want to cover this race anymore. I think the solution is simple. Do not cover the race NBC. …”) Amen, BTD. Go read it all.
Discuss anything about tonight that gets to you, fascinates you, thrills you, worries you. Via Todd Beeton at MyDD: Vermont (15 delegates): polls close 7 pm ET (declared for Obama/McCain) / Ohio (141 delegates): polls close 7:30 pm ET / Rhode Island (21 delegates): polls close 9 pm ET (Hillary has won RI) / Texas (193 delegates): polls close 9 pm ET.
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or
…not until the phat lady sings!
Helloo … anybody here?
Hello,
we lost the battle. but we will win the war.
Vermont? It’s bitty
Joey, what do you hear about the “Democrats for a Day” voters?
What battle, what war? who are you fighting?
My friend said Obama sent robocall to OH voter saying that anyone in Ohio could vote on the Democratic ballot regardless of their party affiliation. So they are indeed pushing the Be a democrat for a Day here in Ohio.
my friend sent the note to DNC and Hillary campaign.
Most of the Republicans who do this will be voting for McCain in the fall.
I did indeed receive a robocall from the Obama campaign informing me that anyone could vote in the Democratic primary in Ohio regardless of what party you belong to. So please go out and vote for Obama.
The telephone call came from:
866-675-2008
Todd Beeton has some interesting stuff about the exit polls:
Update [2008-3-4 19:42:26 by Todd Beeton]:CNN’s Ohio exit poll shows that Hillary Clinton won women 54-45% and Barack Obama won men 52-47% and that women made up a whopping 59% of the vote. A friend tells me that if these exit polls hold up, they would translate to a 3% Clinton win, but take that with a grain of salt, of course. We anxiously await some real results but it should be noted that polls in Sandusky County, Ohio, will be open until 9 p.m. due to weather.
Marc Ambinder has an interesting tidbit about Ohio’s delegate allocation:
NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd on MSNBC points out that Hillary Clinton’s delegate spread in Ohio, assuming she wins the popular vote narrowly, could be as large as +5 or as narrow as.. -1..if Obama runs up the margins in the Cleveland-area districts held by Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones.
Update [2008-3-4 19:45:58 by Todd Beeton]:The exit poll also shows that Obama won Republicans (9% of the vote) by just 10% and Independents (22% of the vote) by just 8%.
[THAT'S in Jonathan Singer's post. Todd inserts some reality into Singer's posts, snort. Singer is so in the bag for Obama, and his pieces are very slanted. Beeton is more of a realist / I've thanked him for it, even when he's been critical of Hillary, because that's ideally (imho) what a front-pager should do. In the diaries, we can be partisan as all get out, but the FPers should try sometimes to be at least realists.]
On MSNBC Ohio’s Former Secretary (and election thief) of State Kenneth Blackwell just referred to Clinton and OBama as “Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum”
What an ass. So happy that Kenneth Blackwell be testifying under oath
Washington officials subpoena former Ohio Secretary Ken Blackwell
“WASHINGTON — A hearing in Congress has demonstrated just how much lingering suspicion remains among Democrats over the last two presidential elections.
Democrats on a subcommittee today won a vote authorizing a subpoena for Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican who was Ohio’s top election official in 2004, when many Democrats charged that their supporters were discouraged from voting.
The panel’s Democratic chairman says he hopes the subpoena threat will persuade Blackwell to testify voluntarily.”
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=84028
Obama has filed a Federal lawsuit to keep open the polls in Franklin and Cuyahoga Counties in Ohio.
Why would Obama want polls open longer in Franklin and Cuyahoga counties? What does he hope to achieve? Does anyone think he will prevail?
If they are kept open, shouldn’t they be kept open state wide. It seems to me that isn’t fair. Of course I wouldn’t expect fairness from the unifying change campaign.
Can someone explain to me how 750,000 votes in Texas can possibly equal 1% voting? CNN and MSNBC are both reporting such a thing. I don’t think 75 million voters are expected to cast ballots in Texas today. Can someone tell me where I’m not seeing things correctly?
I just saw that as well. Wierd. Polls arn’t closed anf they have this info up. Msnbc has 56% Obama 43% of 1%. Whacky.
Looks like Obama has won Texas. I thinnk he will be beaten by Mccain in the General but he’s probably pour nominee now.
Why do you say that, based on what?
Or is it a troll?
I think Clinton +3 in TX based on CNN’s exit polls. Too bad exit polls can suck.
Susan Ot but you have to read Peter Bergens latest. (save it for another time). About torture
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/03/exclusive-i-was-kidnapped-by-the-cia.html
C-span/CNN have not yet projected a winner in TX. If Ohio has not yet projected, how can TX which is an hour behind OH?
Interesting
Exit Poll: Clinton Holds Whites in Ohio
* AP
* Wednesday March 5 2008
By ALAN FRAM
Associated Press Writer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7358121
Check the results for Loving, TX. 20% reporting. Votes? 3 for Obama and 2 for Hillary!
lolololol
100% reporting: 7 for Obama | 5 for Hillary.
That’s the lowest count I’ve ever seen for a county!
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/gop_voters_cro
ssing_over_in_la.html
GOP voters crossing over in large numbers
Posted by Tom Ott, Michael Scott, Joe Wagner & Maggi Martin March 04, 2008
GOP voters crossing over in large numbers
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/gop_voters_crossing_over_in_la.html
Jeralyn and Big Tent Democrat are pretty funny tonight:
BTD - One thing you will see Obama NBC Network want to ignore the popular vote and talk alot about the delegate count. It will be strange and desperate. But this is the Obama Network.
5:30
BTD - Ohio a “competitive” race. Not “too close to call?” Hmmmm
5:31
BTD - That was CNN language. Checking NBC now.
[...]
MSNBC pundit is saying exit polls show Hillary really got to women with her 3 am ad. Talks about class warfare. I translate that to them saying Hillary is going to win Ohio, they just can’t announce it .
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/4/19223/61058
Jeralyn continues:
6:51
TL: MSNBC is saying Hilary is holding an emergency teleconference call for reporters with the campaign’s lawyers about voter intimidation at caucuses in Texas. This has to do with ialleged llegal obtaining of caucus packets. This sounds like what i wrote about earlier today. They’re not mentioning the lawsuit Obama filed in Ohio tonight…and saying Hillary is whining. Unbelievable.
6:52
TL: That’s it for MSNBC for me. I’m going back to CNN.
[SUSAN HERE: As soon as the bloviator (KO) came on MSNBC at about 3:30 or so my time, i was outta there. He began things with something about Hillary being up to her neck in sandbags or sand or something. Obama NBC News Network indeed.]
MSNBC now stands for Misogynist Sexist National Boys Club
Election center 2008
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#OH
Kathleen, you’re our Ohio expert. Weigh in! (And be sure to be weighty. Be all Howard Fineman-ish.)
All wrapped up in reading what is happening in the Gaza at Information Clearing house.
Will repeat that from what I heard from the Talking heads on MSNBC say about an hour ago. Hillary is carrying the hard core blue collar vote in Ohio (all those folks I saw at
Hillary’s event in Dayton). Matthews tried to say that Hillary’s hesitation during her comment about Obama’s religion “not that I am aware” I thought Hillary went over the top with this comment. I have been bothered at how much these candidates religions have come up. It pissed me off when Romney’s faith came under scrutiny and all of this focus on Obama’s faith. What is this the dark ages? Sure feels like it.
Hillary is taking the older white womans vote in Ohio. After Hillary’s rally’s she should walk immediately over to those who are unable to get to her (over to the seniors and handicapped individuals)
Hillary will be taking all of Ohio .. guaranteed (unless those machines are fiddled with again) Even with all of those Rovian Republicans flipping over for the primary)
I am sick of these Religious comments. Get on to the issues please.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/03/hillary-obama-not-muslim_n_89546.html?page=4
Kathleen,
You might want to read the march issue of the Atlantic.
It deals with the religious issues facing America, and the world.
It also has a nice story about the simplicity of the Chinese Internet firewall.
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MSNBC is quoting Obama supporters as saying “its not wins, its delegates that matter.” Translation: We are going to start losing primaries now, but it doesnt matter. Look the other way.
Matthews tells us that Clinton is winning tonight because she’s stoked our fears and prejudices. Nice.
Typical bullshit from our Nonpartisan MSM.
You must not watch that channel. Really. It is not good for one’s mental or intellectual health. I’ve actually got Fox on…. a lot less spin. And Karl is on — kind of fascinating in a weird way (and he is smart).
Yea SusanUnPc; I’m watching False news, but the hype is not hyperventilating, really twight light zone else where. we flipped from MSNBC after Mr Tingle was talking T Macaluffe(sp?) putting words in his mouth and doing the Got cha BS.
Personally I want to see an all out brawl on the convention floor if it works out that way.
I keep thinking of people freezing in the 313 and Obama doing nothing, knowing nothing. Nothing has changed.
Fox News is broadcasting from over at Baker Center on Ohio Universities campus. some Fox marketing going on.
Tom Brokaw blew Matthews out of the water for these comments.
What has he said?
He, and Diane Sawyer, the elder statesmen, are providing balanced coverage, from what I am reading.
Good to know there are some journalists with integrity still around.
He basically told Matthews that his focus on Hillary’s vague comments in regard to Obama’s religion and the Naftagate issue was a bunch of hooey.
Tom Brokaw read some exit polls proving that Hillary was taking older white women, who had been with her the whole way…from the beginning of her race.
I keep thinking about those older women who were at the Hillary rally in Dayton Ohio. I saw five older ladies crying when she was speaking. I went up to a few of them after Hillary’s rally and they were so sweet, and so wanted to witness a woman become President before they died. My mother who is 80 really wants to witness this and she knows Hillary is more than qualified.
Hillary should do some commercials with some older gals.
It occurred to me women can get the job done, MSNBC not withstanding.
The last eight years of marginalizing women to the Chris Matthews of this world made people forget how competent American women are, how capable.
Without a doubt, Clinton is the superior candidate.
Very interesting what Clinton is doing in terms of empowering women. Too bad Obama hasn’t done the same for AAs. Sad, I really hope Obama doesn’t end up identfying AAs with corruption, Rezko and Auchi.
Not that he’d care.
I completely agree. Talking with older women I have found that they are so proud to be able to vote for a woman President. I have also experienced this during Honk and Waves and canvassing. Many women are just so excited to be voting for Hillary. It is amazing.
This sounded patronizing, and I apologize.
It’s just after 8 years of whiny Bush and the campaign of the whiny Obamabots, one and the same, it’s become apparent those BOYS simply can’t get the job done, anywhere.
And I hope men who feel unsure of a woman as President, or CIC, look at Obama, and Bush, and compare them with Clinton, her strength and ability to stand up to terrorists, or bullies, like the Saudis, and Auchi.
Obama, Bush and Cheney cannot.
I turned the channel after that, sorry I missed it. But thanks Kathleen.
the count of votes is one thing, the percentage is of polls counted!
some polls have large amounts of voters, some very small amounts, so do not equate the percentage with the number of counted votes!
BTD - EXIT POLLS show Hillary WINS TEXAS. She wins women 53-46, women were 57% of the vote. She lost Men 52-46. 43% of the vote. She wins a squeaker.
7:06
BTD - That projects to a 2 point win I think.
– Big Tent Dem.
That is excellent news!
I hope the rank and file union voters are aware of how Obama has betrayed them.
And SHAME on those union leaders who are backing him.
Truly. Didn’t they listen to Buffenbarger? (I love that name.)
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Hey, how come people without college degrees are for Hillary and people with degrees are for Barack?
I have a college degree. Don’t most of you? What’s wrong with us?
This one has me confused.
A lot of that has to do with what people KNOW about Obama, the press has been buttering him, like a cob of corn.
If you don’t blog, you only know what you see from the MSM, and, well, Jiminy Glick is your only source of news, really.
But with the truth emerging, hopefully, regular voters will make informed decisions.
As to those with degress versus those without, maybe blue collar workers can see through the crap, the workers in this country got screwed by the republicans, and Obama is selling the same program, a little light, and a little late.
Also, I think the Obama ride is overblown, once the smoke clears, his support might not be all that…
A good education is useless without learning critical thinking skills. Emotionalism and hope don’t have anything to do with an academic education or even one gained by learning on the street.
But why would the Obama mania be exclusive to upper class voters, or those with degrees?
And is it really hope, and emotionalism, or something else at play?
Narcissism, too, the empty headed narcissism of Obama’s crowd?
The emo factor is an interesting one via demoghaphics.
Why the non-college track folks dislike O-Bomba? He doesn’t reflect the values of factory and trade workers. He also never worked a REAL job in his life. His hands are as smooth as a baby’s bottom, and for all we know, his nails are even manicured.
Blue-collared folks aren’t into Starbucks and navel gazing, they are practical. They also know that talk is cheap.
My sis has been a factory worker almost 30 years, mom over 20, and both would vote for Nader before voting for O-Bomba. They’re that disgusted with him — yet another silver spooned pinhead, without a lick of sense of what’s important — JOBS. Without living wage jobs no one even cares about Iraq or healthcare, as they couldn’t even afford TO care.
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But don’t we all want a good shot at life, and a safe, secure future for our families?
This isn’t about class war, or stereotypes as much as it seems to point to the same cultural rot that affects the whole of the foamy elite. Those Aspens are connected at the root, you know.
Cultural rot like dutch elm disease, took out most of the dutch elms in Chicago, in the early seventies. I guess it’s the same with the foamy elite.
A man, a big drunken city employee, would drive up in an old Pontiac, stumble out of the front seat, and would hammer an old pop top into a tree. About a week later, the city would come out and chop it down.
So if you see Chris Matthews with a bottle top hammered into his forehead, take it as a sign.
No talent, Obama as Britney Spears, a xerox of talent.
Oh, I disagree. Lou Dobbs isn’t popular because he talks about the woes of the $100,000 bracket of viewers.
If you make 40k a year in my neck of the woods you’re rich. 50k, filthy rich (that’s the pay range of Master level graduates here). 16% of the population lives below the poverty line — 16%.
So, yeah, I disagree soundly.
You see it as class war, really?
I don’t mean Bush wealthy, but say, over 50, 000?
My family was blue collar, my parents. My siblings and I, not.
We, or my parents, saw the opportunity for upward mobility, college, for instance, so no class resentment set in, education or business, hard work, was the way up.
And we never blamed others for our place in life, we always felt our destiny was in our hands.
Bush, though, and that ilk, the Obamas and Auchi, that’s another story, setting out to destroy the workers, and the unions.
Compare them, though, to Roosevelt.
S.
And we never blamed others for our place in life,
Is Obama’s Hope blame?
Simon -
Holy shit - humor is your forte. This is hysterical!
Race and Gender Both Helped Clinton
I just noticed something really interesting from that CNN exit poll I mentioned below. One question asked if the candidate’s gender was important. 17% said yes, and of them, Clinton won 57-43. So voters who wanted a female candidate outnumbered those who did not. Another question asked if the candidate’s race was important. 20% said yes, and of those, Clinton again won 57-43. So voters who did not want a black candidate outnumbered those who did. Race and gender both seemed to cut in Clinton’s favor — which may not be a shock, since whites and females outnumbered blacks and males.
In both questions, voters who did not care about race or gender split evenly. Clinton’s winning margin — assuming the exits hold up, and it is close enough that maybe it won’t — came from the pro-female, anti-black (or, I guess, anti-male, pro-white) vote.
–Jonathan Chait
I have a MA in history. IMHO a college degree means very little these days in terms of critical thinking skills. The deterioration of the American educational system has created this situation. All three of my children have degrees. My younger son has a degree in history from UCLA and is a hard-core Obamazoid. The other two don’t seem to be quite sure who they support. They are not very interested in politics.
Susan,
I saved this for you for tonight. Its from a lady who used to leave in Seattle, and married an Italian. She is now living in Italy. She has some wonderful things to say about Hillary.
http://americaninitaly.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-i-am-not-joining-love-in-for-obama.html
Of course, Karl is smart. The proof sits in the White House. Look at the raw material Rove had and he got it elected to the presidency. Twice.
I”m not sure how general knowledge smart Rove is, but at elections he’s a true genius. I only wish we had someone as gifted on our side - and that our candidates would have the brains to use them.
The way he talks, it’s like he knows every precinct in the U.S. I find it interesting. The only argument where he’s flat-out wrong is calling Obama a standard far-left liberal. He doesn’t get it that Obama could care less about the left, including the blogs that slavishly adore him.
He supposedly isolated voters in southeastern Ohio on the “guns, god, gay” issue. I actually noticed this during that election. (I ran several phone banks during the Kerry campaign) Just days before the election literature that was focused on these issues were distributed in south eastern Ohio.
The discussions on the phone went from talking about relevant issues (Iraq, jobs, health care) to “guns god and gays”. It worked along with Blackwell and Rove;s election machine hanky panky (reducing a precincts machines from 6 to 3) knowing that more people would be coming out for that election. This happened at quite a few precincts in Franklin county (Columbus)
Except the suspicion is he STILL had to steal the elections.
IMO, he’s no genius.
And he had this compliant, ratdog press, and the politics of fear, too, pure propaganda pushed by Fox, and others.
Remember what they did to Gore, and Kerry?
And he still lost.
Remember who’s talking. And that he’s an election genius, but perhaps well grounded in the usual sense.
To Karl anyone to the right of the Ottoman Turks, or perhaps Torquemada, is a far left liberal.
I agree 100% with that. he couldn’t care less about being “liberal” in fact I think he worked very hard this past year so that his senate record would look very liberal. But when you look the whole he seems to be a closet conciliator.
I agree 100% with that; he couldn’t care less about being “liberal” in fact I think he worked very hard this past year so that his senate record would look very liberal. But when you look the whole he seems to be a closet conciliator.
Karl Rove knows every hack that matters,Rebublican or Democrat in Chicago. He can say what he wants but he knows his roledex can reach out to the people that brought Obama to the table. I think the longer Senator Clinton makes the case she has been making, the better.
What is up with this judge in Ohio?
The thing that scares me about both McCain and HIllary is the possibility that they will go along with the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots agenda with a pre-emptive strike on Iran. Israel has gone wild with attacks in Lebanon, Gaza. What is next?
McCain?
Maybe.
Clinton?
No.
At a certain point, the US has to regain control of it’s foreign policy.
I truly believe Bush and Cheney answer to others, their money guys, men like Auchi.
What scares me about Obama is he will start out too soft and sloppy on foreign policy because he’ll overestimate the magical powers of his speechifying.
Then he’ll get humiliated and over-correct and be too hawkish and sloppy.
Based in his past record, I don’t see Obama voting independently of the people financing him, like Auchi, or his other corporate sponsors.
Obama hasn’t taken a stand on any issue independent of what his financial backers asked for, or paid for. Seriously, look at his record.
Read up on Rezko, and Auchi, the whole IL crowd.
Auchi, among his other heinous crimes, is KNOWN for the bribery of government officials.
Obama is simply bought.
What scares me about Obama are those Pakistan comments.
Something seems to be comeing to light tonight, just as the 2000 Fla election count, when everyone but Fox was claiming Gore a winner! Rove workings!
Counts only count again, not what the networks predict! Not the polls nothing but the voter counts!
Rove is going to run into a brick wall in the fall.
I didn’t know that Mike Huckabee was from Hope, Arkansas. Did you?
(snark)
Yeap, I did. Funny he plays the saxo as well . Is it saxo?
Stratocaster.
Your are right!! I remember the “guitar” now.
It just occur to me that it must be fun to be Gov. of Arkansas…
Bass, right?
But a Rickenbacker is the best.
Don’t ya know about Ricky? . Twin rods in the neck for starters.
Wish they had not run at the same time.
Clinton/Obama with John Edwards as the Attorney General. General Wesley Clark as the Secretary of Defense or State. That’s what I am thinking of. Who should be the head of the EPA?
Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore operating as ambassadors
I love it. Wish we could get Big Al for the EPA, but he’s beyond that these days. Edwards could do it too, because I believe he could learn any of those cabinet jobs except State or Defense. (Someone suggested Patrick Fitzgerald for AG, which might be good — even though I’ve read he’s a Republican.)
Nothing wrong with being a “real” Republican. Whatever Fitz is I am all for it. Fitz or Edwards would work as AG. Clinton appointed Republicans in his cabinet. Mix it up, makes everyone feel better.
Hell there are plenty of “real” Republicans that have been terrified or in shock with this group of radicals in the White House. Bruce Fein, Kevin Phillips, Paul O’Neil, hell even William F Buckley had his serious doubts about this group of crazies.
Right.
America is about political freedom, and choice.
It is NOT about breaking the law, and feeling you can get away with it, because your dad was head of the CIA, or your bagman went to Harvard.
Imagine if Fitz had the sand “removed” from his eyes. Wat will the frog be doing?
Kathleen; it might be a brickwall with bars.
He has never closed that investigation. Still wonder about the “sealed vs. sealed” envelope that Jason Leopold wrote about.
Still want to see those Plame traitors marched to prison.
Robert Kennedy Jr. for Director of EPA.
Excellent idea !! I second that.
That idea rocks…a relitive lives within the sirean call of Indian River, They passed out iodine pills to that area.
I am not sure if any else posted the link for Howard Wolfson conference call so I will post it here:
If any one wants to listen in on one hell of a conference call I give this one a 20 thumbs up…(and holysh*&t to boot.)
Note to HoosierHoops; We love our phone calls don’t we?
I found it here but it appears it is posted on Senator Clintons web site.
http://2008central.net/2008/03/04/clinton-press-release-time-sensitive-emergency-press-call-to-discuss-caucus-intimidation-and-irregularities-in-tx/
I’d like to see Bobby Kennedy Jr. as head of EPA - he has done a lot.
Remember his testifying about the mercury levels in seafood?
I’m updating the post, where the four states are listed. Hillary has won Rhode Island, so added a link to that.
Why don’t they call Ohio for Hillary? She’s stomping O-Bama like a pea!
Stomping, sweeping, cleaning it up in Ohio. (those old white gals want to witness a woman President, they have paid their dues and they believe Hillary has too) Matthews and Olberman much more subdued. I predict the first candidate to take on John Edwards theme song NO LOBBYIST IN MY ADMINISTRATION cleans up in Pennsylvania.. When they commit to this they take the campaign. (hello Hillary and Barack)
Who will commit first?
Show the truth about Obama’s corruption, and how he has betrayed the unions, LYING to the voters.
SEE my latest update — going up in a sec.
What the hell? CNN had 11% of the TX precincts reporting, and now it’s 10%?????
But Hillary’s closing in fast. She clinched the Latino vote so tight, the numbers are in the 70% range even!
It’s looking good. Despite the Obama trickery.
Yeppers.
Just about 20,000 votes separate them.
Damn, the TX primary is a close one. It’s good ol’ popcorn time.
Come on Hillary, pull it through and stop O-Bomba right on his tracks!!
W00t! W00t!
Hillary and O-Bomba are now at 49% and 49%!!
W00t! W00t!
Less than 10k votes separate them!!!!!!!
I love the Latino’s. I did a few hours of calls to Texas over the past 3 days, and they are the nicest people. No wonder they’re Hillary supporters!!! Bring it home for Hillary!! susanclare
Wow Olbermann, Matthews etc. can’t get enough of that “Moving the Goalposts” analogy, can they? That’s like the tenth time I’ve heard one of them use it in the last 24 hours.
I heard a caller to Washington Journal this morning accusing Hillary of “moving the goalposts.” Personally, I have a bit too much pride to call a radio show and bleat talking points, but that’s just me.
Who’s been moving the goalposts? Remember when New Hampshire was the key? Remember when “whoever wins California will win the nomination?”
Hey guys- here’s a quarter. By yourselves a clue- and a fresh analogy. Or just admit your sexist asses got stomped tonight. By a GIRL.
Hillary’s winning Ohio easy, and she’s catching up fast in Texas. Good night for the good guys.
They’re a bunch of whiners.
I love how they project their own fears and insecurities, ya know?
Blitzer on CNN said the Texas results showed low percentages and actual numbers because the absentee votes were added to the raw data but the percentage was only votes cast in person today.
Here’s my message for Olbermann — the only “goalpost” is 2,025, and it hasn’t moved.
*low percentages and HIGH actual numbers…
Has anyone listen to the intrusion of an Obama lawyer
(Bauer?) into a conference call between the Clionton campaign and reproters? It seems the guy told the operator he was areporter and
starting ranting for 4 min. before hanging up about how
all the complaints from TX are BS and that is “just Clinton whining about losing all caucuses….
I have a very bad feelig about TX; I think the Dem. Party and the MSM will totally disregard the illegalities (?) and portrait Clinton as “whining”
If you read the ABC piece you can tell how Nieto the
Dem. Party official say the warning was for “both sides” about the irregularities and refused to point to the Obama camp for their dirty tricks.
They are covering their asses in case Obama is the nominee (back to Chicago politics?).
Does anyone has a different reading ?
I don’t like one bit the party’s reaction…
The republicans supposedly skewed that election toward Obama, too, all those tricks Obama and Rove are so fond of, stealing elections.
So, Obama and the Republicans either deal with the truth, or they drown in their own chaos.
Simon,
I like your optimistic determination
But I fear they won’t deal cleanly with anything but rather throw all the mud back at Clinton’s face–with the MSM full blown help of course…
The BIG problem I see is the *non-reaction* from the party officials: they will investigate zero
Remember that caucus “irregularities” to be polite
are the party’s jurisdiction. And they are sending the message that their earlier warning for the irregularities were for BOTH CAMPS (equally) which is essentially validating Obama’s accusations of Clinton’s “whining”…. I find the party’s
“message” disgusting. PONTIUS PILATE …
they are washing their hands of this…
Hence NADA will happen and once again Obama is getting away with the dirty “chicago tactics”….???
Standard MO, everyone knows, now, I would expect nothing less.
And that whole group, that whole aspen “we’re connected at the roots” group, is in it’s own little world, the xerox elites, not many brains, there.
And a certain point, the people in charge, the real people in charge, not the people we see on CNN, say, have to make a decision whether they want to clean it up, or not.
If it doesn’t get clean, the country fails, they’re smart people, they understand how and why governments function.
And if they want it cleaned up, it will be cleaned up. All within the context of a world wide asymmetric, or really, terrorist war, truth be told.
That’s why I think ultimately it’s best not to get caught up in the crap, and simply obey the laws.
You just never ever know.
That video is great! 15? this young person will go far.
I’m flipping around and flipped onto Fox and they were reporting that the Obama campaign cherry picked Cuyhoga county to stay open and that you had to show some evidence of a problem and that there was none on the order the judge signed. By the time this got around to the SOS, it was 8:55 and she was going to close them down. If this is true it really pisses me off.
I didn’t think it was fair earlier that some counties stay open more longer than others, no problem if all the counties stay open that late.
It would seem illegal espeially in light of the Florida 2000 election and equal protection arguments.
What a bunch of crap and if Clinton would dare to challenge this she would be slammed 100 times and if Clinton did something like this she would be the evil queen mother. I am so sick of Obama’s garbage. I don’t see how I could ever vote for this A$$.
I’ll tell you what after what took place in Ohio in 2004 I do not blame Obama for questioning. Ohio’s precincts in many of African American districts were really screwed up in 2004. The voters in these areas were truly disenfranchised. Go Obama make sure it’s right.
Ok, agreed.
No voter should be disenfranchised, I know FL voters are still FURIOUS about 2000, and Susan was angry about WA.
But Obama’s campaign BRAGS about it’s dirty tricks, so everything they do is suspect.
Exactly we have had almost eight years of a fucking nightmare administration due to the stolen election in Florida and the Supreme Court Judicial coup. Not to mention the living hell that this adminstration has turned the Iraqi peopls’e lives into. We’ve turned the middle east into a potential inferno.
Oh I agree, it just offends my sense of fairness that all counties didn’t remain open until 9:00, that he cherry picked only the counties that he thought that he had best the chance of picking up votes in. I think the whole state should have stayed open later. I heard earlier turnout was supressed in the counties along the Ohio River because of the flooding. I think everyone should vote by mail ballot as in Oregon. It would sure save a lot of headaches and I can’t help wonder if participation wouldn’t be higher.
If Hillary had done this there would be a huge outcry about it at least on the orange obama.
I live close to the Ohio River..folks were having troubles. I could not get into my property the creek had turned into a small river over the road.
DITTO…
See my notes — i transcribed the reporter’s report, in Update 5.
I can just see all of those old gals and grannies sitting at home watching the poll results and whooping it up. Congratulations you old gals you did it…you are pulling it off for Hillary in Ohio. I hope HIllary acknowledges this group of women.
Stomping, sweeping, cleaning it up in Ohio. (those old white gals want to witness a woman President, they have paid their dues and they believe Hillary has too) Matthews and Olberman much more subdued. I predict the first candidate to take on John Edwards theme song NO LOBBYIST IN MY ADMINISTRATION cleans up in Pennsylvania.. When they commit to this they take the campaign. (hello Hillary and Barack)
Who will commit first?
And men who love their daughters, wives and mothers have no issue with Clinton, either.
It’s just the Obama women haters club.
Oh I have to change channels just to see the fun!!!
Who you going to call at 3a.m. Ghostbusters
http://2008central.net/2008/03/04/obama-general-counsel-crashes-clinton-press-call-on-voting-irregularitis
-in-texas-engages-in-heated-exchange-with-clinton-staff/
That was remarkable call…recommend a listen.
Heated call between Clinton/Obama campaigns
http://2008central.net/2008/03/04/obama-general-counsel-crashes-clinton-press-call-on-voting-irregularitis-in-texas-engages-in-heated-exc
hange-with-clinton-staff/
Oh, brother, the whiny boy can’t take it like a man?
Just like Bush, maybe Obama should call Jim Baker, is Auchi with Carlyle, too?
Hillary takes Texas!!
Really????
SEE THE NOTES i took as the Fox reporter spoke from Clinton headquarters in Ohio. It’s at the top.
i didn’t stop to get the correct spelling of that county.
I can’t figure it out either, the spelling. You do a great transcription job, I know I do it for a living!
WOOOOOOOOOT!!!!
Hillary wins OHIO!!!!!!
Takin it too the streets it’s time to celebrate the process!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54lfxiid_w
YYYYESSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let the Beat go on! Let the Debate go on. Bring McCain into. I hope Obama and Clinton keep pointing at McCain too while they are digging into one another. Tag team on McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-aQt78-en0
Wow Susan, the YouTube video you posted up there gives me goose bump; and he is only 15? Bravo!
Isn’t that neat?! I got his full name and the guy said it was okay to publish. But I insisted on getting a direct e-mail from the young man himself, particularly since he is a minor and I want to be sure his parents are okay with his name going up on a public site. Haven’t gotten that e-mail yet.
I hear that he got talked into ditching school today to canvass! Woohoo!
If you can (politely), would you suggest your friend to tell the kid to fix the minor typos and repost it? It is powerful and wouldn’t want some idiots on YouTube spoiling its effect by mocking him on these…. (taking care of our young
)
I love it.
Yeah. I hope the young man writes me himself… and I’ll tell him. Isn’t that music great too? It’s very well done.
Agreed, but sometimes idiots who mock overestimate their power.
yehaw!!!!!!!!! Ohio!!! Hope she gets a whooping
# of delegates, it would be so wonderful if she wins Texas also. Maybe all these MSM people would STFU then. I’m sooo sick of them and their stupid analysis, like Hillary is some kind Huckabee or something.
I’m so excited I probably won’t get enough sleep tonight!!
I’m sure you meant “whopping.”:)
I’m not sure what I mean, it’s past my bedtime on a week night, except yes, yes, yes, YES….I scared my border collie with my hollering!
barbh: you are a riot !!!
Susan Estridge on False News…”Senator Obama was not born in the manger to night, he is just a regular candidate.”
If whopping really means so much to you then it could be “whooping and whopping”
Make the process right Hillary and Obama…make it right. Don’t call it until it’s right!
Hillary is not going to win this unless Obama is caught in bed with a goat.
Hillary’s Math Problem
Forget tonight. She could win 16 straight and still lose.
Hillary Clinton may be poised for a big night tonight, with wins in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island. Clinton aides say this will be the beginning of her comeback against Barack Obama. There’s only one problem with this analysis: they can’t count.
I’m no good at math either, but with the help of Slate’s Delegate Calculator I’ve scoped out the rest of the primaries, and even if you assume huge Hillary wins from here on out, the numbers don’t look good for Clinton. In order to show how deep a hole she’s in, I’ve given her the benefit of the doubt every week for the rest of the primaries.
So here we go: Let’s assume Hillary beats expectations and wins Ohio tonight 55-45, Rhode Island 55-45, Texas, 53-47 and (this is highly improbable), ties in Vermont, 50-50.
Then it’s on to Wyoming on Saturday, where, let’s say, the momentum of today helps her win 53-47. Next Tuesday in Mississippi—where African-Americans play a big role in the Democratic primary—she shocks the political world by winning 52-48.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240
Alter is so in the tank for Obama, it’s not even funny. It wasn’t that long ago that Obama was behind by much more. The math is more than okay, especially with the Rezko trial cranking up and the press starting to take a second look at the angel Obama.
Beside which if I was the democratic party, I would be very leery of coronating BO. The polls with him matched up against McCain in states that dems traditionally win, don’t look all that great to me…in fact the last few that I have seen indicate that McCain wins vs Obama, but not vs Clinton.
And those delegates can switch, right?
Like Lewis did?
The problem you have with the math is, the delegates really don’t matter in the end.
The Electorial College does. Can’t win the GE if you can’t carry the large states.
So tell me what’s the point of nominating O-Bomba if he loses those large states to McCain????
Only Hillary is carrying them. Only Hillary can compete against McCain.
Well Obama was caught in a manner of speaking “in bed” but with a pig - Tony Rezko.
The longer this primary goes on the more it benefits Hillary.
Like all rock stars they have a short shelf life. Obama is being more exposed in small and large ways and the lustre is wearing off fast.
Remember that none of the pledged delegates are 100% bound to who they are pledged for.
If no one gets the required number of delegates by the convention and the party finds Obama on the downside of popularity or has growing problems because of Rezko then “math” means nothing. It’s about winning.
Pop princesses and posers have a short shelf life.
Real rock stars are musicians, and musicians are timeless.
Don’t confuse Britney Spears or Madonna with Bob Dylan, Neil Young, or Chrissie Hynde.
Critical thinking, now…lol.
What happens to those numbers if Edwards throws his delegates to Hillary. Edwards delegates still hold a punch.
Wonder if Edwards will make her say NO LOBBYIST IN MY ADMINISTRATION to get them…beg Hillary and Obama beg
unless Obama is caught in bed with a goat. or a horse head? “My Pet Goat” again?
mmmm
Cee, Jonathan Alter is a sexist pig.
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Susan,
So, would it be fair to say that Hillary voters are racist?
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/
The Crucial Racist Vote
04 Mar 2008 08:40 pm
Go peddle that crap somewhere else. It’s b.s.
Hillary voters are winners, Cee, you know that…
Nothing worse than a narcissistic wannabe throwing a tantrum.
Not you, Cee, but expect the bamabots to be in full whine mode, court challenges, the whole Rove nine yards, (without Rove, of course).
I expect more arm twisting of delegates.
Rezko, and Auchi, and Obama’s inability to win the big states is your reality.
And btw, what do the private eyes have on Obama?
I’ve been reading things here and there, and if they’re true, you really should pay attention.
The length will be fun for someone to go through..like Jack Kerouac writing “On the Road” on a continuous roll of toilet paper.
Kathleen..
its got to come down to the Glaring differences with McCain..and four more Years of another Republican Administration even farther right than the Bush administration..I doubt that the NEO~ HAWKS even got everything they wanted out of Bush..but McCain made it clear wwhat He intends to do..
I am very Happy for Hillary..Bless the Folks in Ohio..Fingers crossed for Texas..
We must not forget..in reality..Hillary also has Florida behind her..andf thats go to be factored in somewhere.. RIGHT..??
..
Glad to read you are going with Hillary… Kathleen..
Susan..you have another good Thread going here..thanks for all your tireless work too..
Hillary did all this with HARD WORK..She is One amazing Woman..and equals any Male Politician I have ever seen…and more than most..
She is JFK..Bobby Kennedy and Roosevelt all rolled into One..She doesn’t Talk the TALK..
Hillary Clinton Walks the Walk..
Who says a Lady can’t get in the RING..and go 12 Rounds..??
Hillary is My ROCKY..
Yo Adrian!
YO..!!
I think from here on out..Hillary should make
“GONNA FLY NOW”..from the Rocky soundtrack her theme song..
Sure reminds me of a Rocky movie..
CNN is just being gross- it’s all “Hillary went negative,” “Obama still the future of the party,” “Hillary’s moved the goalposts,” “The math does not favor Hillary,” no fewer than TWO panels with EIGHT people, either McCain suckups or Obamaphiles, NOBODY to speak for Hillary- god what a load of crap this is.
Hillary won. Obama lost. EAT IT YOU SEXIST ASSHOLES!!
You know what, I never thought that I would say this, but flipping back and forth between MSNBC, CNN and Fox, Fox is more objective and much less offensive. This is seriously the only time I ever use a remote to flip around, but I get disgusted quickly. I do like the interative map that CNN has up on line though. I just flip back and forth on the web too. Mostly to Texas BOE now…
yup. Sad but true. They can do hard news right sometimes.
DEFINITELY. Watch FOX NEWS. They are respectful. They don’t do the snark. They don’t psychoanalyze. They are praising her for her recent campaign strategies. They are appalled at what Obama’s lawyers pulled tonight in Ohio precincts (see my notes in Update 5).
They also speak a bit more intelligently. They use better English. They use big words sometimes. It’s amazing.
(Helps that Ill O’Reilly and Hannity aren’t on.)
Not sure, but I think it attests to Murdoch’s business genius, in a sense he is first and foremost pragmatic.
And the London Times has been one of only a few papers telling the truth about the American political scandals ( Rezko, obama and auchi, Sybil Edmonds) that alone has been a godsend.
And people get on Hillary’s interaction with Murderdoch..something like keep your “enemys closer”…you shut these folks down with Aikdo.
I watch Fox on Sunday mornings. I really like to hear Juan Williams and Bill Kristol battle
Yep!
Except for Texas, Hillary is also winning by almost 20% spreads. A v-e-r-y good percentage. Almost all near the 60/40 range.
CNN has been disgusting; they have lied, cover up, not report, etc etc all for Obama. This has been going on for a while now. For example: they keep on saying “Obama’s 2002 vote against the war”…
I experimented for a week trying to post on their comments and they censured 5 out of 6. Only 1 went through. I was very careful to be on topic, respectful but ask questions. They didn’t like it.
I think they like the balance in their comments to be 50 for Obama versus 2 for Clinton. And the 50 from Obama supporters are VICIOUS; full of irrational hate all based on Hillary Clinton as a “woman”. Nothing about policy or substance. Just personal adjectives.
The comments at CNN are far far worse than say those at ABC. Make you sick….
Can’t stand CNN any longer…
Agreed about CNN and of course, Fox News. I live in Italy and have to go to the Italian and British channels to get non-biased coverage about Hillary Clinton.
However, when I mailed my absentee ballot at the Italian post office, I told the clerk, “This is a Texas vote for Hillary Clinton”. And he said, “Are you sure this vote is not a mistake”? (apparently, he watches Fox News).
So, this Friday, when I go back to the post office to buy my special Anna Magnani stamps in commemoration of her 100th birthday, I’m going to tell that clerk that, “No, my vote for Hillary Clinton was NOT a mistake and you should find a source other than Fox News to learn English”.
Hey don’t dis’ the goal post analogy. Cee posted it on CNN’s ticker and Jack read it on the show he liked it so much.
I must report my Texas experience before I read all the comments:
We’re in SE Dallas/FW area.
Voted at 3:30pm: Had to wait for about 6-7 to vote; there was a line for Ds, none for the Rs.
Caucus:
- showed up at 6:50pm and the elementary school’s lunch room was packed.
- People were still in line to vote.
- voting ended close to 8PM.
- the four precincts at our location finally got split up around 9.
- the election official said he declared himself a temp election caption, and asked who wanted to be the secretary.
- A women standing directly him (we were all sitting still) spoke up that she wanted to be secretary. She was also wearing a BO pin. [can you electioneer at a caucus?]
- the went through the Robert’s rules of order to make those two the permanent officials. blah blah blah…control the sheets, control the delegates. I’ll say this, the BO campaign know their caucuses…
- we were sitting at long lunch tables and the secretary then gave each table a sign-in sheet.
****No ID, No voter card, No verification of a 1:1 sign-ing to person was made***
- i asked the guy being the election official about this and he just said, “I just can’t do it. I am taking them on their word.” That’s almost verbatim. I think this stinks. I could have written in any number of neighbors (who voted) and their caucus count would added to HC’s percentage. And I’m not entirely sure that they didn’t call in the results before they closed the caucus or that they checked those numbers against the “voted today” lists. No wonder BO likes his open primary caucuses.
- they were telling people they could go home, because unless you wanted to be a delegate, you didn’t have to stay
- then finally they split us up into BO area vs HC area.
- 189 total, 37 for Clinton
- well those 7-8 of us for HC that stayed chose our 3 delegates and 3 alternates, and turned in our sheet.
- then the election judge (title ??) entered in a resolution!! for flight controllers to go back to the bargaining table….(he’s a flight controller). I didn’t know you could enter a resolution!!! I would have made one myself!
- then they motioned and moved to close the caucus.
What a mess.
You have to report this verbatim to the Clinton Camp and copy it to the Dem. Party officials. And if you can copy it to some media outlet (maybe ABC)?
).
You can pretty much copy and past your comments here.
( modulo minor typos
Please do so. It sounds outrageous.
I meant “paste” sorry.
I should mention, also, that they ran out of sign-in sheets, so they had to use plain paper.
We had a huge problem in NC recently with a democratic caucus type election for a replacement sheriff. It turned out that people were on the list that weren’t even there!!! The results were recently overturned.
That’s my experience here in Arlington, Texas.
Well, at least the potential for fraud. The election caption said he just couldn’t do it (meaning verifying that who signed in was actually there.)
He said he’d rely on their word that the names on the list actually match those who were there.
Ces
Thanks for posting what you expeienced. And to all the great folks of Texas, Ohio Rhode Island and Vermont that have as well.
so the obama campaign was robo calling republicans and asking for their votes in a democratic primary … is there nothing this man wont stoop to? if the democratic party allows him to do this without any consequences we deserve to lose in november.
i have been a registered democrat for 38 years and worked “inside” the party structure for over 25 years … i have never been so offended by a fellow democrat as i am by obama. the only thing i can question now is: is he really a democrat … i think not.
thank god for hillary!!
I’m an old white gal [71] and Hillary just spoke from Ohio. My heart is in my throat, and I’m almost crying. I have three daughters, two granddaughters, and one great granddaughter-you think I’m not ecstatic?? Oh, my god, it just might work. Thank you, Hillary.
The old white gals took Hillary over the top. Congratulations…cry away. I just talked with my mother who is 80 she was so excited. She said she was crying as Hillary spoke.
You go gals! You go!
The European Union will be thrilled when the Clintons are back in the White House and the US Dollar will rebound. Remember, it was Bill Clinton who balanced the budget after the first Bush disaster. Also, congratulations to the counties in Vermont that made it the law for their police officers to arrest Bush and Cheney for crimes against the Constitution.
She is saying yes we will. Someone must have cued her on on the whole Men Are From Mars Women Are From Venus thing - the author of that learned tome insists that you never ask a man can you do this for me or could you do this for me, always will and would. Cause a many will says well I could, but will I, dunno…??
I always thought this was total crap until a couple of years ago when I asked my teenage son if he could take the trash out and he said he could, but would he? I just said DO IT! But I had to laugh at the same time, he proved the point on a limited basis. Now I always try to couch it in those terms for everyone!
oops I mean man not many or many men, I need to shuteye.
barbh you are great; can’t stop laughing; you have a bright son there
yes, the difference between Potential (bullshit) and Actual (not….can you guess…bullshit)
Potential is worth shit.
What’s happening with TX ? ABC Nightline says it is too close to call at the moment. Say that with 49& reporting
Clinton is 50% and Obama 48%
I don’t have cable…
Thanks.
They are showing Obama’s live speech from San Antonio. Where is Hillary?
Hillary is here in Ohio where she won. Obama is reading off from a teleprompter and seeming as absolutely fake as he really is. Not that his cultist followers would notice. They cheer when he blows his nose.
Obama is lifting words right out of Hillary’s speech, right up to and including the poor old woman who sent him money because she believes in him, he just changed the amount in the envelope. What a total fraud.
And Hillary doesn’t believe that Health Care can be a reality? Come on! She was fighting for Health Care when you were snorting your way through law school.
THIS is what the Obamabots hear, btw, loud and clear.
This is how you speak to them.
Except I would have added “shithead” at that end.
What a THIEF
Thank you to everyone that helped out in Ohio and to those of you that cheered us on and provided moral support. I can’t begin to tell you how valuable it was. We worked hard to win this and we won. And this is the turning point. We stopped that other person and we will move on toward VICTORY.
Thank you Fleaflicker
And you’ve been working your tush off, FF! WTG!
What a THIEF: he just said “SI SE PUEDE”
(tha is Hugo Chavez’s and Hillary’s)
Of course he said he still has
“the same delegate lead than he had yesterday”
its actually Caesar Chavez…(whose family endorsed Clinton)…not Hugo Chavez
Of course, your are absolutely right !!
I MEANT Cesar Chavez; gosh I know about Cesar Chavez…Quite a difference indeed.
I have been reading too much about Venezuela and Colombia and with all the excitement my wires got crossed….
Feel like a radio man in “Down Periscope” listening to “biologicals” ? Me too.
O-Bomba’s speech sounds so bland now.
Yawn…
The MLK, Jr cadence is getting o-l-d.
Seems that even the Daily Obama is calling Ohio - Clinton, RI - Clinton, Vermont - Obama, and Texas - Clinton ahead. Ain’t it fun? And it just wouldn’t be the same without Cee injecting his nonsense.
The Nightline bunch : Gibson, Moran and even George S. seem upbeat
Of course there is all the talk about the delegate count gap blah blah blah.
Any reliable news from Texas?
Still listening to the MSNBC coverage. Matthews and Olberman kept babbling as if we were not hearing from them enough. They both talked over Governor Strickland and former Senator Glenn…enough all ready.
I was sitting with friends over at Baker Center on Ohio University’s campus and we were all yelling at Matthews and Olberman.
Just spoke with my 80 year old mom who is a Hillary fanatic she is so excited and of course we are both wishing we had gone to the Columbus event to witness this piece of history.
I hope everyone starts pushing Obama, Clinton and McCain to commit to NO LOBBYIST IN THEIR ADMINISTRATIONS. I swear this would take one of them over the top.
I think Hillary and Obama will tag team McCain hard.
Hillary broke the 1,000,000 vote mark!!
O-Bomba bombs out at about 50,000 votes less.
:D
W0000000000t!
Larry should know better than to quote Brit Hume or Fox News evver. He has a reputation that lends his sources credibility though it his reputation will erode quickly if he continues to be a spin zone himself. (I should add that I am a Hillary supporter.)
That was I. And I know who’s who there. But, for tonight, it was vastly better than MSNBC (awful) or CNN.
Tim Russert just said something interesting.
He was reading a memo from the Obama campaign.
They anticipated the losses almost to the voter. They even anticipate losing Pennsylvania.
They still lead and will lead in delegates and that is what wins.
Obama’s campaign has been BUYING delegates, right?
(Well, you do what you know, as Obama obviously is for sale, and it always worked for him…)
My point being, delgates can change, right?
So that meme means nothing, nothing at all.
Another view: “Tonight I Grieve For My Country.” Okay.
FUNNY! “McBush the Maverick Gets Lassoed“
REPORT FROM HOUSTON
From what I got, Hillary Clinton carried my precinct in the primary count, approximately 56%. But in the caucus tonight it was 59% Obama 41% Clinton. Resulting in 24/16 delegates to the next delegate step. OUR SYSTEM IS FUCKING ARCHAIC!!!!!
Nobody seemed to know how the caucus system works. The precinct judges were confused, they were good people, and I know the precinct judge who is top notch. But after we signed in to the caucus we were told we could leave if we wanted to.
What this resulted in:
Since Clinton got 16 delegates from our district, we needed 32 people to be there tonight (16 delegates and 16 alternates).
We had about 400 people gathered outside perhaps, and after many were told they could leave…guess how many were still standing in the room for Clinton…exactly 32. Meaning, if any more had left, we wouldn’t have had 16 alternates.
This stupid ass system confused all sides, yet Bob Bauer has the fucking audacity to say Clinton complains when losing. His audacious disrespect for me as a voter will be taken out directly on his campaign.
I left after being told I could. I called the campaign to inform them they carried 034 precinct. “You left the caucus?”
“Yeah”
“Oh god, no…you have to stay there to finish the process.”
They took my info to follow up on the problems in the caucus system. I’ll keep you updated.
In good news, the caucus members were presenting resolutions to send to the DNC. I asked if I had to have it already written to present it and quickly scribbled down the following proposal:
“All Democratic Party debates will be hosted and moderated by neutral non-media centered organizations such as the League of Women Voters to prevent the obvious conflict of interest in network anchors asking questions.”
This passed overwhelmingly. We must join across the country to get these talking heads out of the debates. They are fucking us when they ask bullshit and biased loaded questions. We must end this slanting of issues in favor ratings bait.
Over from Houston.
(have to change MSNBC before I destroy my TV with a brick)
I voted for Clinton here in Texas today. Keeping my fingers crossed…
REQUEST FOR SUSAN:
Could you write a note/post about what’s the truth about Obama’s TV Ads in Florida before the primaries there?
My understanding is that he was the only candidate to air ads in MSNBC and CNN as part of a “national buy” and that CNN and MNSBC told him they could not cut Florida out (that is what his campaign says) But I read other reports that this was not true. That he could have opted out of Florida or of some region that included Florida (and had no states that were relevant
for him then).
I think this is important. The argument being made all accross the board about Florida (I don’t know Michigan) is that people didn’t know him and that were “not exposed” to his “message”. But noone is saying that he was the only one that air TVAds there (and heavily it seems).
Would be nice to have some more reliable info. what really happened about this.
If you have covered this in the past could you repost the link ?
BTW: Thank you for all your hard work !! It’s very much appreciated it here .
Maybe. I have so many stories to write. Yikes. If you can, look it up and report it here in one of our threads! Thanks!
I’ll try. Need to find reliable info.
How do I post it if it’s not an open thread?
Susan, I meant :
“BTW: Thank you for all your hard work !! It’s very much appreciated here ”
Thanks again.
HILLARY WINS TEXAS..
CNN just called Texas projected for Clinton in the Primary.
AND BY THE WAY
GOD BLESS NO QUARTER
I love you guys. Especially the work of Susan whose energy is unbounded. TO think that you are battling health issues while whipping ass is truly inspiring.
Thanks Larry J for your critical thought and bold voice.
I have enjoyed the conversation from all the peeps here, including the juicedup Obamatons who have made me work harder. You made me work to find out what is really going on. You kept me from resting either on my laurels or from simply walking away when my preferred candidates didn’t make it.
More to do, but you all deserve recognition. I was able to talk to many supporters tonight and most of my foundation was provided because of this conversation and then background check on all that we cover here.
You are my people.
YYYYYEESSSSSSS SWEET TEXAS !!!!!
Jeralyn @ TalkLeft has a nice take about pressure on
Superdelegates:
Texas Caucus Results Start Coming In
By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:30:27 PM EST
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Only 5% in, with Obama at 56% and Hillary 44%.
I’m just looking for Hillary to win the popular vote. That will give her superdelegates a reason to stay with her.
If Obama loses Texas and Ohio, in the popular vote, many Democrats will begin to question whether he can win the big states, especially Ohio, to beat John McCain.
I’m not that interested in the caucuses. I think it’s very likely the superdelegates will be deciding this race. Ill be updating this primary vote thread, but here’s a place for you to comment on them.
Hillary Wins Texas
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:57:49 PM EST
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Big Tent Democrat
Hillary Wins Texas says CNN.
Clinton is stretching her lead, up 70,000 with 75% in.
CHRIS..
Well Said..
I’ll Drink to That…..Clink..
I’m cracking out my Belhaven (God’s favourite Ale) and I tip it to you!
Give me Liberty or Give me Death!
I’m an alternate delegate for HRC.
Woohoo!!
Damn straight, skippy.
Wow, cheers ces !!
And by the way, I think somebody around here owes me a Guinness!!
A case of Guinness…
Actually, wasn’t it Cee that made the bet…..remember him?
Oh and btw, I was born in Ohio, so it’s a twofer!
CES..
Since I AM a Delegate for Hillary..I will Gladly get your Guinness..
See Ya at the Convention..
Roger that. Woohoo!
Patrick! So is my daughter and so is her BF. In different counties too, since they vote in different places.
Boy, if all three of you get to the state convention, you three can raise holy hell! That’d be fun to watch!
According to the MSM; Sir John McCain will be annointed by King George the Decider.
Some Coronation spectical that’ll be!
Teak, check out this diary on McCain/Shrub:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/4/215228/7454/934/468922
Meteor Blades is sharp and he had some fun with Photoshop. (He used to be an editor for the L.A. Times. Writes great diaries.)
Wiil do! Thanks for the all the hard work!!
I think I am gona get written up at work, I am late! LOL (Just kidding)
Stephanie Miller eats crow..and not well..
[...] that ask us to fear instead of hope’.” (Uh, what about your stunts, mister? Check it out here and [...]
Will John Edwards 25 delegates come into play?
Being at the bottom of this long thread I’m sure this will be mostly missed, but…
Went to hear Robert Wexler (D-FL) speak on Monday night. (Think I was one of the very few goyim in the room
).
First, though he endorsed Obama, he did say “There’s a million reasons to vote for Hillary Clinton. It’s just that I think for Obama, there’s a million and one.” So take that how you will.
However, the primary point of the talk was about impeachment hearings. Two or three interesting things came out of it. 1) NH State Legislature is going to debate and vote March 12-16 on this issue. If they pass a resolution, it forces US Congress to consider the matter (based on Jefferson Rule 103 or something similar). 2) Wexler wants to force Meyers and Bolton to testify even if they have to send the man-at-arms from the Hill to the WH to get them. 3) He wants everyone to write their representatives to help gain support for impeachment hearings.
He brought up Wilson and Plame at least three times as well as lying about WMDs/Iraq and other issues.