Hurrah! (He. Can’t. Close. The. Deal.)
By SusanUnPC on March 5, 2008 at 7:38 AM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton
This is a mish-mash of all I’m reading and noting. Check out the Clinton campaign’s “path to the presidency” memo (The voters “agreed that Hillary Clinton would be the best Commander-in-Chief and the strongest steward of our economy. …”). CNN’s John Roberts looks downright happy. Regardless, his “American Morning” is far more fair than most. Here’s Halperin on more morning shows:
ABC’s “Good Morning America”: Clinton tried to frame the race around John McCain, saying that now there’s a GOP nominee it’s even more critical to have a Democratic nominee who can stand up to him on national security. Doesn’t accept that she’s gone negative against Obama, said national security is legitimate issue to contrast. Ignored the math questions, still thinks Michigan and Florida delegates should be seated, said it’s up to state leaders.
NBC’s “Today”: Clinton said voters are “starting to ask some hard questions” and realizing she’d be best commander in chief and best on the economy. Offered lengthy defense of superdelegates exercising independent judgment, saying that was the reason they were created. Said Florida and Michigan voters should count, and voters “were dragged into” the confusion by GOP governors and legislatures. Also more firmly denied that Obama is a Muslim, called it “a scurillous rumor that should be rejected out of hand.”
Halperin (at Time magazine’s The Page blog) also reports that Obama sent a “mass e-mail to supporters says he was beaten by ‘attacks and distortions. . . stunts and the tactics that ask us to fear instead of hope’.” (Uh, what about your stunts, mister? Check it out here and here.)
I’m not in the mood to write how I felt listening to that preachy speech last night — the blessing is that he didn’t go on for 45 minutes, or interrupt Hillary’s speech like he did on Feb. 5 — because overwhelmingly, I feel so happy. And most of all I am so gratified by the voters and by all of the people, like Alegre, Larry Johnson, all of YOU, and others who made the difference.
Just think: That $10 or $25 you sent Hillary made the difference. Those phone calls you made were the difference. Those e-mails you sent telling your friends about Obama on NAFTA-gate and Rezko and the swelling number of flag officers rushing to support Hillary. Those hours you spent at headquarters or canvassing or picking up an elderly person to take them to the polls. Every time you go to MyDD.com, and recommend our diaries (that helps because analysts and media read that blog). Every casual remark you’ve made — every time you’ve told others about how hard Hillary will work for them, and how Obama isn’t ready. Every time you defended me at Daily Kos, it helped (spent time yesterday defending myself against accusations of racism because I put up the “Bamboozling” video in a diary there, and they said it’s racist because it shows two black men. Huh?).
It all counts. You did it. Now, let’s roll up our sleeves and do it some more!
Much more is needed. Chris Matthews and the Bloviator have sharpened their shovels. Don’t let the bastards do it. Now, from Taylor Marsh:
“The wind at Barack’s back, the press at his feet, but he couldn’t close it out,” Taylor writes.
She quotes this Washington Post article, which I spotted at Memeorandum.com this morning:
With losses in three out of four primaries yesterday, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and his campaign face a scenario that a barrage of advertising, phone calls and door-knocking could not avert — a protracted, two-front war against Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and the presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain.
Even before the polls opened, campaign officials were dreading an outcome that would keep Clinton (D-N.Y.) in the race at least through the Pennsylvania primary on April 22. Those seven weeks will cost Obama at least $10 million, and possibly much more, campaign aides say, as he battles a rejuvenated Clinton who will have every incentive to try to force him into a major mistake.
Obama aides also expect to take concentrated fire from McCain (Ariz.) and his Republican allies, who have already begun raising questions about the 46-year-old Democratic senator’s credibility, authenticity and even his patriotism.
For months before his victory in Iowa, doubters questioned whether Obama had the stomach to deliver the blows necessary to wear down Clinton’s advantages. Now, the question is whether he can take a punch — “and you know they will be coming,” said former Iowa governor Tom Vilsack (D), a Clinton supporter.
Some Obama supporters are increasing pressure on him to shift tactics, frame more sharply his criticism of his opponents and begin inoculating himself from the GOP attacks, but Obama remains reluctant to change the approaches that he still thinks will secure him the nomination. “I have said consistently that we do things differently,” Obama said. “It’s worked for us so far. And I’m not going to do things that I’m not comfortable in doing.” … READ ALL.
This is the e-mail that all of Hillary’s supporters got in their Inbox last night:
It’s a pretty incredible feeling, isn’t it? After our victories tonight we have the momentum, thanks to your will, determination, and hard work.
Some people were ready to count us out. But you and I proved them wrong, just as we have every time they tried to declare this race over prematurely. And we’re going to keep showing them exactly what we can do.
We’re going to do it for everyone across America who’s been counted out — but refused to be knocked out. For everyone who’s stumbled — but stood right back up. And for everyone who works hard — but never gives up.
I hope you enjoy our victories tonight as much as I am. We won this one together, and that makes it that much better. Thank you so very much for all you have done for our campaign. Let’s build on this remarkable momentum.
Thank you for everything you did to make this night possible.
All the best,
Hillary
Now, let’s roll up our sleeves and do it some more!
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Hillary in a word TOUGH, baby she is simply TOUGH.
GO HILL GO!
No kidding. Talk about true grit.
maybe this is OT but I think it’s important that our voices, that would be citizen’s voices, get heard too. Tired of bloviators thinking they can speak for us.
Go vote at http://cnn.com/am
Should Florida and Michigan delegates count?
Polls at 61% now have them counted. 1005 am 03/05/08!
Not off topic at all. I’m from Michigan and my daughter went out to vote in bitter cold and snow after a 10 hour work day. [good rationale for counting her vote, right?] People voted for Hillary by the numbers and those votes should be counted. I don’t know where our two senators, Levin and Stabenow,stand on it, but I hope they support having the votes count.
OK, but come on. Historically, elections in which there is only one name on the ballot, in the Soviet Union and elsewhere, have usually been subject to derisive contempt.
And in this case, what do you suppose we are to make of those who “went out to vote in bitter cold and snow after a 10 hour work day” to vote for “uncommitted?” No small percentage of the vote, either, it was in the range of 50%. Do we seat delegates pledged to vote *against* HRC, whoever may be opposing her? That’d be kind of wacky, wouldn’t it? Maybe HRC should get the number of delegates she’d normally get, minus the number that would be allotted, under the rules, to this “uncommitted” fellow.
Otherwise, her delegate count will have to have a great big asterisk next to it, and a lot of African Americans could be forgiven for saying, “Whitey couldn’t win fair in this one, but whaddaya know, managed to keep the black man off the ticket one way or another.” I’d certainly forgive them, because I’d be saying something very similar.
Ask yourself, honestly, how you’d feel if Obama had won a whole bunch of delegates in an unopposed primary. Mm? Feels different, doesn’t it?
I logged on this morning, steeling myself for bad news.
What a wakeup call! Better than 10 bottles of Jolt Cola.
I know we shouldn’t gloat, but I think we earned a day of gloating after the crap we Clinton supporters have taken over the last 4 weeks.
As for the dirty tricks in TX and OH (and BO still couldn’t pull it out), I wonder if Michelle is proud now?
What’s more, I wonder if her brother David is still embarrassed?
Who? Did any of the TV shows mention him at all? (Good thing he is not for Clinton.)
Sorry, it’s Craig Robinson not David Robinson (who is retired from the NBA) that is Michelle Obama’s brother. He let this fly yesterday: “If I Was a Woman, I’d Be Embarrassed for Her”
http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/04/%E2%80%9Cif-i-was-a-woman-i%E2%80%99d-be-embarrassed-for-her%E2%80%9D/
HRC is really a magnificent woman. Will make a great president.
Jerome has an excellent post at MyDD about Obama’s obvious electability problems in states like Ohio and PA, which Dems need to win. Of course, I learned from Obama supporters that the people of Ohio and TX are racists. Yea, right.
Jerome reported that Obama managed to win just 5 counties in Ohio, and you can’t win a general with only 5 counties. He has a real electability problem.
Typical two-mouthed politics. Claiming “it’s not about race” when Blacks are voting for O-Bomba at ratios of 75+% or higher. They’re not voting because of his record (he has none worth to brag about), they’re voting for him because he’s Black.
You will see it exactly like that with the pending Mississippi primary.
I won’t deny I’m voting for Hillary due to gender, and actually, I’m proud for doing so. Nothing to be ashamed about.
Now say the same Obama-o-matics. The TRUTH shall set you free!!
I won’t deny I’m voting for Hillary due to gender, and actually, I’m proud for doing so. Nothing to be ashamed about.
Great. If Condoleezza Rice or Margaret Thatcher or Phyllis Schlafly were on the ballot, she’d have your vote. If Tammy Faye Bakker or Annabel Chong or Ann Coulter or your ruler-wielding third-grade teacher were running, you’d vote for her. If Lizzie Borden were running, hers is the box you would check. If Lorena Bobbitt, oh, wait, of course you’d want her in charge.
This identity stuff is beyond moronic. As a willie-endowed Caucasian, I’m supposed to be able to go to my bro, Bill Gates, and hit him up for a couple mil.
Get real. No ethnicity, no gender, has a monopoly on jerks, idiots, or people you’d want to spend all kinds of quality time with.
All those so-called progressives/hardcore Dems who support BO need to take a hard look at the facts. No Dem is going to win the GE without a big purple state like OH or FLA. All the crap about polls suggesting BO wins over McCain is wishful thinking.
You’d think partisan Dems would support the fact that their bread n butter constituency (working class men, women, Hispanics) support Clinton. They may not like it, but that’s the reality.
If the guy can’t withstand the relatively mild scrutiny he’s getting now, what’s gonna happen when the GOP unloads on him?
He’ll fold like a house of cards, my guess.
Thank god for the voters. Our long national nightmare may soon be over.
If the guy can’t withstand the relatively mild scrutiny he’s getting now, what’s gonna happen when the GOP unloads on him?
And if Hillary thinks dirty tricks like trying to hang her weak points (e.g., her Canadian NAFTA equivocation) on Obama are going to work against McCain, she’s going to discover that she may be able to dish it out, but … to take an example that the Rethuglican dirty tricks machine has been working on since 1992, they aren’t going to be diverted an inch by a strategic leak “revealing” that John McCain is a lesbian.
This is a typical attitude at Daily Kos, and it is repugnant:
Thank god they are largely irrelevant. Someone checked the history, and very few DKos-flogged candidates have ever done well. Ned Lamont, anyone?
Yeah - I challenged a diarist’s (unsupported) claim w/out any links) that “..Over 20% of white voters in Ohio (MSNBC - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/... say that race was an important factor in voting and they went 3-to-1 for Clinton.”
He has since put up a link and it only took him 9 hours so do to…and I note it made it to the rec list w/out any links.
This is what his own link says:
link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23473864/)
So…get out the wading boots. It’s gonna be thick.
(btw - STILL not committed to either candidate, but the Obama’s-always-right-Clinton’s-supporters-are-racists stuff just gets my ire up).
Yes, the views of this poster are repugnant, but as a supporter of Ned Lamont I would like to point out that he shouldn’t be tarred because some tool at DKos has made some incredibly dismissive (and racist, classist and sexist) comment about groups of American voters who comprise a large portion of the Democratic base. Ned Lamant was not successful in large part because the leadership of the Democratic party did not support the decision of the voters of the Democratic party and instead stood with the truly repugnant Joe Lieberman — a choice I have to imagine they realize was foolish and destructive to Democrats. Ned Lamont may not have been ultimately successful in his bid for the Senate, but that campaign changed the political landscape that were working with now — changed for the better I think.
and don’t forget barry supported holy joe. yup, the dim leaders and another “great” campaign.(this is snark.)
Bunch of Starbucks navel gazing pimple butt kids, who don’t have a lick of sense.
Just because someone doesn’t goto college to be brainwashed to be an Obama-o-matic, doesn’t mean their stupid as that diarist implies. It means they’re independent THINKERS, and won’t take following the herd over the cliff as being “cool”. Some do better work with their hands, they’re just better fixing and creating things, not pushing paper and think scuttlebutt is a way of life.
I’d commit suicide if I had to work in a office. When fresh air, hard work and watching the fruits of your labor grow (or be built) is more rewarding.
I’ve said for a while that there’s a college-industrial complex, academia has gotten lost and detached from its original purpose.
For example: witness all the self-described “feminists” falling all over themselves to say even though they’re feminists, they’re voting for Obama. Meanwhile, working class folks, male and female, just say they like Hillary. And sure, it’d be good for a female to be president.
But academia - something has gotten off track in that world. It has a way of infantilizing students. The most mature friends I’ve made lately have been ones who were truly on their own at 18, could not afford college.
Do they even realize how bad they sound? My border collie is smarter than some of the people I know with “higher edukashun” though not as vocal.
Another round of “Stupid Pet Tricks”. eh?
As Senator Obama walked on stage last night his body language was revealing. A Very force smile bording on anger….it only lasted for a a few seconds. I wonder if he looks at his kids like that..
He was saying “we have the same delegate count gap as before we started”….
I took it to mean the folks that voted for him did not matter.mmm Where have I heard that before?
i don’t disagree and my cat georgie could probably do more critical thinking they the “elites”. don’t forget there are many well educated folks with means also supporting hillary.
isnt it ironic how the oborgs rail against the so called elitist establishment part of the democratic party while harboring these same types of attitudes? it makes me wonder how much the oborgs even know about the democratic party. they obviously seem to be uncomfortable with blue collar lunch pail carrying democrats who are concerned about their children’s future and what is good for america.
His demographic are full of elitists.
And it doesn’t help when Hillary supporters can have the same attitudes. What working class person calls sexism “misogny”? I never use it, and I’ve never heard anyone in my locale use it, either.
But pinheads do.
And now I will see the “AA/college educated/wine class” Hillary supports claim that’s racist and bigoted to say — oh, cry me a river of more PCness. :rolleyes:
This disconnect is horrid. Using terms and having mindsets that doesn’t connect with REAL PEOPLE, is what has kept the Dems out of power. When leadership is in outer space, you can’t blame Americans NOT wanting to become Martians!
Talk like Americans. Talk like who you’ll represent. If your main voters are factory workers, adopt what they believe is right — not run around in pin striped suits, and discussing about “downside voters” issues over cocktails, in some 5 star club.
Crap, I’d like to see Hillary in a T-Shirt and Levis, when she enters a factory, even (that’s what they wear!). Don’t just give us talk, show that she represents us.
The attitude espoused at Dkos is nothinging new. Its always been a watering hole for white upper class 20 somethings. The only contact those people have with working class Americans is when they order coffee at Starbucks or when they see their Lexus dealer.
They are a joke.
One diarist, who wore Obama’s logo around her neck like a religious symbol (the new hope jewelry she bought from eBay,) was truly puzzled as to why she found Obama supporters in Starbucks, but found none in Dunkin Donuts.
She also didn’t understand why people went to places that were NOT Starbucks, such as the local independent coffee house.
Because no working man or woman is going to pay $3+ for a cup of coffee. I get a cup about every morning — 24oz to keep me going ALL day — for less than $1.50 (and it’s even better than Starbucks in taste!).
What do most of these folks drink? They bypass the Hazelnut; the French roast; Italian Espresso; Costa Rica Supreme — and make a bee line to the original coffee canister. But they run in and get their cup and LEAVE, not sit around and NAVEL GAZE, as they’re WORKING FOR A LIVING!!
Only STUPID people will pay $3+ for a cup of Joe. STUPID!
I wonder if they realize how arrogant that is to emphasize this. What happened to uniting the people? So now we applaud superiority eh? This is great; Obama the great has really done well to reach out to everyone. His followers exalt themselves as superior.
It’s a false concept. Because people AREN’T equal. Different tastes; different sizes; different colors; and different beliefs. That’s why there’s diversity!!
Great way to wake up! I went to bed just as Hill took the lead in Texas (my home).
“I’m not a member of any organized political party, I’m a Democrat!”
– Will Rogers
The caucus was a mess, the worst side of politics. No obvious shenanigans, but I didn’t stay for the whole thing (4:30 AM comes pretty early here). Almost 200 people, pretty evenly split between Obambots and Clintonians. There were only 12 at the last precinct caucus (which exposes the story that Reps were voting for Hill as false… may prove just the opposite). It WAS fun to see the GOP precinct meeting moved to a small room to make more room available for the Dems. Voting was easily 4:1 Dem to Rep at my precinct
I saw the Deaniacs there, and they are all Obamamaniacs now. So, there’s clearly a connection. I’m eager for Hill to get the nomination and show the Quack from Vermont the door.
BTW: The “Texas Two-Step” is clearly meant to negate/mitigate the general primary results. It’s a bad system only a pol could come up with.
The GOP-controlled suburbs and the more Dem urban cities all had a roughly 60/40 Obama/Hillary split (urban was really closer to 65/35)… which I interpret as GOP crossovers voting Obama in the burbs, and high AA turnout in the core.
Not this Deaniac. I supported Edwards and support Hillary now.
Excuse me, but that “Quack from Vermont” has done a better job than you care to admit as chairman of the party. His work is vastly underappreciated and comments like this are unacceptable.
I strongly second this comment — as a former Deaniac (and Edwards supporter before I cast my vote for Clinton), I have to point out that Howard Dean has done an extraordinary job both in terms of raising money, energizing Democrats and because of his 50 state strategy, greatly improving the odds that the Dems will increase the gains in the Senate and the House that we made in 2006.
Howard Dean is a rock star!
Well, he helped give voice to the anger and frustration true progressives were feeling.
But why the divide between Dean, and Clinton?
Carville dislikes Dean, why?
Barring some gross misconduct on Dean’s part, and I DO question his support of the Obama-Auchi ticket, wouldn’t it be best for Clinton to try to really understand what is happening to the average voter?
And the Obama supporters are in that group, too.
The poster who slammed blue collar workers on Kos is a peon in the eyes of the wealthy of this country, the Kos poster sounds just like a wealthy right wing Bush supporter, a republican.
He’s just as disenfranchised as those he criticizes.
“But why the divide between Dean, and Clinton?”
The Clintons are DLC, Dean isn’t.
And the DLC is moderate to conservative Democrats that flaming liberals dislike (probably because they’re jealous, as they wreck the party, while the DLC actually gets SOMETHING done!).
“Moderate,” meaning that they stand willing to pander to elements of the electorate that hate their guts. I think Sun Tzu would agree that this is not so much Chicken Salad as it is the other thing.
Get SOMETHING done? Like push through the Wall-Street wet-dream of NAFTA, a thoroughly Republican program, without getting Republican support for Universal Healthcare in return? Yeah, that’s really SOMETTHING!!!
And BTW, it’s Hillary Clinton who’s ready to sink the party for the next 20 years if she doesn’t get her little nomination pony she was promised!!!
Actually, Moderate means you adhere to SOME of the ideology of a political philosophy, not all.
I’m a moderate Tradtional conservative. Moderate that I don’t endorse the religious views and ideas about race/gender of that wing, but the rest I do — especially about maintaining history, culture, and law and order. And reminding Neo-Cons and Liberals the nature of this Republic isn’t to DESTROY it!
The world isn’t black and white. Neither are political philosophies and ideologies. Nuances apply, as no two people are the same and will believe in the same EXACT views. Which is also why most voters aren’t party members — as they can’t agree with the planks in their platforms.
Also, you have moderates in politics to bridge the poles between factions/wings/ideologies. Otherwise, nothing gets done — and polarization can even create resentments that launch backlashes that Dems saw in 1992.
Never ever overplay a hand, it will be cut off.
Actually, Moderate means you adhere to SOME of the ideology of a political philosophy, not all.
Sure, that’s the theory. In practice, the “moderate,” DLC Democrats never met a liberal position they won’t fall over themselves to abandon, or a Republican position they won’t acquiesce to, though they’ll furrow their brows and reassure their base that they feel really bad about it.
So you have to wonder if they’re really too lamebrained to see that the Republicans have figured out that all they have to do is keep moving the goalposts and the DLC will keep finding a way to compromise with the redefined “center.” Or if they’re not so much lamebrained as they are in on the game.
That’s your view. Others see it differently, like being practical.
Like the issue of Bill signing into law the end of “welfare as we knew it.” No flaming liberal would’ve advocated it, but it needed to be done.
You teach people to fish for themselves, not be depended on being fed by others. Self-reliance and independence is a godsend, as it’ll pull anyone through.
That’s a concept that flaming liberals don’t appreciate, and it’s effects on minorities that take the hook, is horrid. It was a self-serving and ugly policy of BUYING VOTES. Meanwhile, letting them sink lower into the depths of hell.
Bill, of that DLC, broke those chains. In the process, minorities can rise to the occassion, not be held down in chains.
It took a moderate approach to a social problem that the far Left wouldn’t compromise upon. It was good for everyone, even if it hurt in the beginning — break a leg and see how painful it is to walk again, too!
You teach people to fish for themselves, not be depended on being fed by others. Self-reliance and independence is a godsend, as it’ll pull anyone through.
Nice platitude, but in practice, the emphasis seems to be on confiscating the fish. The fisherman-training bit never seems to get funded.
That’s a concept that flaming liberals don’t appreciate, and it’s effects on minorities that take the hook, is horrid. It was a self-serving and ugly policy of BUYING VOTES. Meanwhile, letting them sink lower into the depths of hell.
Then there are the flaming a**holes, who claim they want to end welfare for the recipients’ own good, but when the rubber hits the road appear interested mostly in tossing them out of the lifeboat.
I don’t disagree that the old system seemed designed to be hated by all sides more or less equally, but it’s pretty well accepted by those who’ve studied it that helping people get out of this vicious cycle requires investment on the front-end, with the true savings realized only in the out years.
On the other hand, reports I’ve seen on the success of this ending of welfare talk about the number of people who are no longer on welfare, but not much about what they are doing now. Are they going to community college and working towards some kind of certification? Unlikely, unless they’re getting some help with transportation and daycare. Do “flaming conservatives” care? Not that I can tell.
Even under the old system, there were apparently quite a few people who were on welfare for a limited time (meaning less than two years), because they were temporarily in some kind of trouble, but recovered and got off welfare. Those people were never part of the “culture of dependence,” but were kicked off the rolls too.
I don’t know, by supporting Obama, Dean, and Kos are supposedly what Kos hates, ie the centrist elitist democrat, betraying the American voter, disparaging the “not elite.”
This is what the republicans saw, correctly, capitalized on, and used to get themselves to office, ie “joe six pack without health insurance or decent wages, the republican party see you, and you are welcome here.”
Which was a load of shit, but it worked.
The republicans got into power on the backs of democratic hypocrites like Kos.
So, Kos or Dean are either disingenuous, or in denial about what they see, neither good.
Kos and Bush are simply different sides of the same coin, the voter has no use for either.
Actually, the DLC is coming out big for Obama — which isn’t surprising given all of Obama’s centrist, Republican-loving language — a fact that is sending more than a few members of the DKos community into a tailspin.
“Actually, the DLC is coming out big for Obama”
Yeah and Angelina Jolie is stalking me.
He made the last, 2003, “100 to watch” list as a STATE Senator.
His last five year record with the DLC is……….sparse. Nada, Nicht Zip.
He is conspicuously absent from the New Democrat Coalition.
Tell the wankers at Kos to get a job.
I feel the same. I was noto attracted to Dean because he was a phenomenon. I was attracted to him because he articulated my feelings. And he did not get all cozy with Republicans like Obama does. He knew they were the enemy and he said so.
He still does. That is why he has done so well as DNC Chaiman. He really slaps the Republicans around. I do not ever imagine any scenario where Dean would be begging Republicans to to vote for him in a primay to dilute tthe votes by true Democrats.
That is what offends me about Obama, he wants my enemy to select my candidate. There is a reason Republicans like him. He shares their “values”.
apishapa i share your outrage regarding obama’s pandering to republicans … i never thought i would see the day where a democratic contender needed to beg the republicans for votes … shameful.
as for dean … i like him quite a bit and i think he has, for the most part, done a good job for the party. that being said, i am disappointed in his leadership when it comes to the michigan and florida primaries. these situations could have been handled better IMHO.
As DNC chairman, Howard enforced the rules in FL and MI as approved by the entire DNC membership. The rules for the delegate selection process are very clearly spelled out and both FL and MI knew the consequences of jumping the queue.
It would have been easy for someone other than Howard to bend the rules. He demonstrated greater leadership by making FL and MI abide by the rules they had approved even though it was an unpopular decision.
bullxxxx!
Obama’s statement about the Social Security “crisis” is a bit disturbing, I’ll grant you that.
But in general, what he’s done is not pandering. He hasn’t been saying what Gore and Kerry were mis-advised to say: “I’m just like you, Joe Six-Pack!! Pleeeze let me be in your club!!”
He’s been, in general, very clear about what he believes, and has invited on board anyone who’s OK with that. “Joe, I invite you to join my club, because you’re just like me.” Completely different message.
Personally, I’d like to see George Bush hanging from a gallows in The Hague, but that’s why I’m not running — I’d have to lie to get elected. Obama, despite all the creative squinting among NQ fans, is not a liar.
I’m sure I can expect some apoplectic sputtering in response to this, but in the absence of actual evidence to the contrary, I stand by it. May goodness prevail.
I am also a former Dean supporter; and I do think that the 50 state strategy and Neighbor to Neighbor program are excellent. However, I am appalled at the disenfranchisement of FL and MI voters and Howard is at fault (of course with Brazile). This is not only wrong, it is stupid - voters for these two extremely important states are so angry and only Clinton has a chance to win them in the GE. I also know that Democracy for America (formally Dean for America), which was founded by Howard and is now run by his brother Jim, backs Obama. Which means, Howard does.
BTW, I am a Vermonter and am sorry that we were the only state to not share in the great news.
Howard is not at fault. It was not his decision. He enforced the rules, which is his job as chairman.
The entire DNC membership voted to approve the delegate selection rules. The process was clearly spelled out and everybody knew the penalties for disobeying the rules.
The disenfranchisement of the FL and MI voters is the responsibility of both states’ legislatures. In FL, the Democrats actively collaborated with the Republicans to move the primary date and dismissed Howard’s efforts to broker a compromise. Steve Geller and Dan Gelber both played a big role in Florida Democrats getting into their mess.
You cannot lay this at Howard’s feet. They have only themselves to blame.
What needs to be looked at though, is his tacit support for Obama.
First and foremost, Obama has direct connections with a known terrorist felon, Auchi, a man known for bribing government officials, a former Saddam henchman.
Do we suspend reality, and say, “but he LOOKS like such a nice boy, it doesn’t matter?”
That’s ko0kville, nutbush city limits, if you can’t recognize the cancer you’re promoting, how the hell can you run a country, make good decisions that directly affect the American people? What, next thing you’ll be letting the Saudis determine your foreign policy, while you’re trying to hold off a major Russian oil offensive? Been there, done that, let’s try something new. No, you say? Why? Afraid?
Right, the Kos-Bush way. (The Saudis don’t know SHIT about war, they shoudln’t be determing our military position in the Middle East).
The presidency isn’t about Howard Dean, or even Mark Penn, or James Carville, it’s about keeping America safe, and competitive NOW, and in the future.
Obama is a joke, a scam, WTH were they thinking?
Bad judgement all around, to let a personal feud with the Clinton’s interfere with the well-being of this country.
And if they truly cared about reform, they would have backed Edwards, so, they’re full of shit.
Not offense to you BSG, but again, if the orange AstroTurf wanted anything but to be a player, they would have backed Edwards.
And they want the appearance of being a player, they don’t actually want to do the work, they have no clue, none, at all, what the Presidency entails.
what are you smoking little obamabot?
He also lacks wisdom to lose his own candidancy (his “YEEEEEEHHHHHAAAAAW” made even Dems abandon him as it amounted to his Northeast condescending attitude to Southerners and Mid-Westerners. Then he also sides with equal losing candidates — Kerry especially.
Hope he still backs O-Bomba. Then I know Hillary will win!
“He also lacks wisdom to lose his own candidancy (his “YEEEEEEHHHHHAAAAAW””
You might nudge that argument a skosh.
The media was the instrument that took that isolated moment and built it into a show-stopper.
They are attempting the same wack job on Clinton.
Nope, it was insulting to even Dems, especially Southern Dems.
If you’re going to pander to the regions, at least do it in good taste.
Northeasterners just DON’T get it. They talk down to the Southerners and Mid-Westerns, then try to pander them with BS like, “YEEEEEHHHHHAAAAWWWWWW!!”, or going into a pub and order something that no working man would drink (or sit in a tank looking like a Martian out of his element).
It’s why they haven’t won an election since JFK (and he only won it because LBJ was his VP).
Dean still doesn’t “get it”. Hillary does, because she KNOWS both Southern and Northern politics. Hillary KNOWS what appeals to Southern voters, and doesn’t pander to us, as she’s been WITH us for decades.
ALL POLITICS IS REGIONAL. Get it, and get it good!!
“Nope, it was insulting to even Dems, especially Southern Dems.”
Bullshit.
Says enough in itself!
Dean got his whipping by his own party. And with the MI and FL mess, he needs to be taken behind the woodshed again for disenfranchising millions of voters.
Defending such a tyrant is anything BUT democratic!
THEY may not pander, (and Chris, with all due respect, you really need to rethink this us v them meme, it’s a form of division, the same kind Obama uses, and it’s not cool)anyway, the fault is in the mediocrity of the foamy elite Harvard political consultant, and his wannabes.
Hillary’s strong point is she’s comfortable in her own skin, and that comes through. Obama, on the other hand, would end up in a tank, looking like a dork. He’s not real, he’s an amalgamation of projections. (I hope that’s not too confusing, the integration of higher metaphor CAN be difficult, even for the educated).
Divide and conquer is so Rove, so Axlerod, so old, and it doesn’t work, for the long run.
It’s a losing, amateur war strategy.
The Republican way, the Bush way, was a complete failure.
I was telling Kathleen yesterday about an article in March’s Atlantic, about the Chinese Internet Firewall.
It’s very simple, but it’s a product of how the Chinese think. The author seemed to think it was avanced. I’m surprised anyone saw it as advanced.
I’m not here for “unity”, as unity is just spelled as d-e-f-e-a-t.
More interested in mowing down the opposition, as payback is soooooo sweet. I r-e-a-l-l-y dislike Neo-Cons, and 4 years of having to wait for the opportunity, has been long enough.
Chris, how was Dean’s yeaargh moment in any way a regional issue? I think you may be reading more into it than it warrants. I was in the room, not 10 feet away from him when this occurred, and there was nothing regional about it at all. He was making an enthusiastic sound — like a yeah, but more gutteral and more extended. How you can turn this into a slight against southerners and mid-westerners is baffling indeed.
He made a fool out of himself trying to be something he’s not.
What next? Pull an O-Bomba?
I agree with the so-called “scream”. It was a media hit job. But, I will say that the Dean campaign (Trippi) was terrible and Dean was not prepared to face the national media and it showed.
Boy, where there is the stench of political loss, Joe Trippi was there, it seems.
What is WITH that guy?
And isn’t he connected with Kos?
yup, and as a supposed neutral, dean should be sympathetic to her regarding the media instead of joining the gang of entrenced losers.
Actually, his yeaaargh moment came after he had conceeded losing the Iowa caucases — it was not the reason he lost, it was a reaction to it. But to say that just because he lost an election means that he is forever irrelevant — well, I guess that makes John Edwards and Al Gore irrelevant too? I don’t think so. And he supported Kerry because Kerry became the Democratic nominee — that’s what Democrats do — just like Hillary did.
Me too! Of course, for me and my cadre of Deaniacs locally, we were attracted by his brains and his experience as a governor + his great views on Iraq, medical care, the economy, and more. We were not a cult. And people at our Meetups were open in talking about what they didn’t like … like some of his TV ads produced by, ahem, Joe Trippi.
Same reasons why I supported him and worked in Iowa, New Hampshire, Delaware, Virginia, Maryland,
and Wisconsin for him. But, I also liked that he too is a fighter and a real Democrat.
Howard Dean started a movement to build the Democratic party, and for people to run for office beyond the election. He also spoke boldly about liberal and Democratic values.
Obama started a movement that will elect him to office, and says very little about Democratic values in his speeches, even though he has a great opportunity to do so.
obama won’t be elected to president.
Hey, watch it pal. This Deaniac is now 100% in Hillary’s camp now.
I’m a former Deaniac meself, and after Howard’s petulant disenfranchising of FL and MI, I’m ready for his graceful exit.
BTW, any other Deaniacs notice that Obama STOLE Howard’s campaign rhetoric. That ‘yes we can’ stuff is pure Howard.
Sure is, and last night he said Si, se puede and that is vintage Howard.
There is nothing that hasn’t been done or said before. It is really tricky tryng to assign credit. After all, it was Cesar Chavez who originally uttered “Si, Se Puede!” as a political slogan.
http://clnet.ucla.edu/research/chavez/
But I am certain that if I spent time on Google, I would find someone used it before Chavez sometime in history.
Funny thing happened on the way to change, history repeated itself.
I am more impressed and tickled by …
“Si, Ella Lo Hará!”
Yes, She Will!
Deliberate plagiarism is pretty easy to prove, especially when the plagiariser shows no prior pattern of creative original thought.
And if your idea is too similar to another, find another way.
It’s progress, and hard work.
Some can only cheat their way in, and then when crunch time comes, they, and the country, are fucked.
See, now I like Dean, or did.
I know he and the Clinton group have problems, and I question his ostensible support of the terrorist’s candidate, Barack Obama.
Did I miss something about Gov Dean, though?
I don’t consider McAuliffe a paragon of integrity, by any means, but personally I want the most qualified candidate in the White House, not the corrupt construct of some half rate political consultant from Chicago (Axlerod).
So, why do you take against Dean?
Hillary should remember she’s advocating for the people, the miasma of smug arrogance from ANY candidate is the equivalent of mustard gas. Trying to slice through the disaster of NAFTA, under Bush, and legitimately making a difference is one way to cut through it, permanently.
Obtaining the Presidency shouldn’t be the goal in and of itself.
Obama looks frightened, just saw him on GMA.
Scared.
Makes me wonder more about Rezko.
You didn’t miss anything about Howard Dean — you can thank him for making the Democrats viable again in states like Montana, Wyoming and Virginia to name but a few. He had to fight tooth and nail to actually fund even a skeleton crew in some of these red states, and it seems to be paying off.
I thought Dean also brought back voters who otherwise felt excluded, really bringing the people, including the blue collar voters the Koskrew narcissitically denigrates, back into the political process.
And I believed he was honest, it wasn’t simply a matter of election rhetoric, as it is with Barry.
The poster cited, from kos, I get this mental picture of that guy who runs parezhilton.com, big guy, with blue neon hair.
You know which one I mean?
Michelle is going to yell at him, what he is scared of!
I was just reading about the Guiterrez/Rezko land deal yesterday. It seems that there are some parallels. I just can’t help but wonder what company Rezko used to finance his “developments”. Wonder if it was the same one used to do the land deal with Obama…http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/135305,CST-NWS-luis14.article
Northwestern I read. Rezko used the same bank multiple times….Look who is on the board of the bank where Obama/Rezko went.
It gets even better.
Oh, goody. Now I can make some ad banners to advertize Hillary (she really needs that help online).
Hammer home the message that O-Bomba struck out three times, in a way even kids will understand that it’s uncool.
Would do videos, but my computer doesn’t have the memory to process more than 100/frames at a time for pro quality work (1.5GB reduced to 2KB tells it all!!). A standard YouTube video is tens of thousands frames. :/
Anyone know where there’s Hillary press kit images, let me know. As most publicly available photos online aren’t flattering. Need some determined/serious looking photos that convey “business”.
Sis and I are soooooo happy this morning. It’s like our prayers have been answered! Thank’s Hillary voters, thanks!!
For a woman?
I was thinking yesterday it’s better she present herself as she is, people should get used to the idea of competency again, instead of politician as poser, or Madonna.
You know, people who can run the country, smart people.
Bush and Obama can’t do the job, and I’m tired of being bored, with the simplistic no talents these
gassy, moronic foamers keep foisting on us.
They are just not smart enough, and that never occurred to them, that others were brighter, more talented.
Huh?
I was talking about the QUALITY of the photos. There’s a zillion of them with a mic in front of her face. Ever designed ads with half the face covered???? Let alone with her mouth wide open and lips pursed????
Just want something more PRESIDENTIAL, that has more bearing than images from a rally!
Yes, agreed! Time to roll up sleeves, roll with the punches, push back and work hard! We know how to do this, because we have a leader who leads, inspires and takes action. And we like it, don’t we? No wonder we are strongly behind her. She likes to work and so do we!
Let’s get going and do this. I’m proud of the whole team and eventhough I’m fairly new to commenting on this site, I’ve been reading for awhile and I have been on the Taylor Marsh site for awhile now.
Thanks for all the work you do in here!! Really appreciated!!!
(Sorry, for any spelling mistakes, it’s been a long night… did not sleep last night… crazy, I know, but I was too excited.)
Thank you Ohio and Texas and Rhode Island!
May sanity reign again - Hillary Clinton is first and foremost a genuine human being. She has been dumped on more than any human should be - and she is still ticking gaciously. And why? She is the genuine article and it scares the droids - they need to follow empty suits so their lack does not stand out so much - empty minds, no qualifications - just empty words.
Hillary has my vote, my support and my undying admiration. Go Hillary!
Congrats to Hil supporters on the win last night. Y’all fought for that one
Something else that doesn’t seem to be getting much attention in the press is the vast spending advantage that Obama had — and even still it was a rout in Ohio. I think I read somewhere (don’t quote me on it, I don’t have the exact figure in front of me) that BO outspent HRC by something like 4:1 in Ohio. That’s gotta sting.
I don’t know about others, but when a political ad comes on the teevee, I hit mute.
He could strafe the airways 24/7 and no one’s gonna watch the same ad done three different ways.
Hillary’s one effective ad targeted at the state’s concerns (Nafta solutions in OH and 3 a.m. in TX) was a much stronger use of the airwaves. People see it once or twice, make up their minds, then hit mute the rest of the time.
When I heard that Obama had a 2 minute ad of him talking, I knew he’d jumped the shark.
What hurt him was the kid vote wasn’t enough. In Ohio, majority of the voters are of family/retirement age groups. He could pour 20 billion dollars in his campaign there, but he could never appeal to those who look at their jobs vanishing overseas; or wondering if Washington even cares about those jobs (like retraining workers for “green jobs” is what they really want to do — be yet another service worker).
If you’re an iron worker, the last thing you want to do is be retrained as a electrician to wire solar cells on rooftops. You’re a TRADESMAN who acquired skills that can’t be taught via some book, not some McDonald’s employee.
Folks just don’t understand these things. Simply forgotten the wants and needs of the trades, factory workers, and yes, even what farmers that are left and not bought out to work for the corporate Ag businesses.
There’s NO SHAME being a tradesman or a factory worker or farmer. Nope, none at all.
Wow, growing up blue collar, I never knew a blue collar worker to hold himself in less regard to those college educated.
The unions, and the emergence of the American middle class, pretty much eliminated the whole ancient belief of class warfare, that moldy old Marxist blast from the past.
Of course, certain white collar workers might hold themselves superior, those small fish otherwise unnoticed, but true talent always won out, the talentless easy to mark.
If you need to feel better than the rest by virtue of having gone to Harvard, and that’s your only claim to fame, you’re a poser. Look at the foamy elite, those connected at the root, who can’t lead this country, who sold out for a buck, because they weren’t smart enough to get it…
You think people can’t spot a no talent minor poser?
The delusions, and the fear, that push an ego of that sort?
heh.
Where did you grow up, Chris?
The blue collar workers I grew up with were highly intelligent, I can’t say the same for a lot of the Ivy guys I see…
Bill Clinton was the product of the working class, and he was the smartest President we’ve had in a while.
Whereas many of the highly educated Kos posters appear to be morons, incapable of critical thinking, victims of their cultural ignorance, and aberrant psychologies, the culture of narcissism that demands nothing but the appearance of clean teeth, and a connection to fame, no matter how spurious.
Born, raised and still living in GA. A damn proud Georgian at that. I’m also proud of President Carter, and will defend the guy, no matter how many Dems themselves have deserted him (for shame!). Good man, a true Christian, and someone I’d be proud to have as a friend. I careless about party labels, it’s the character of the individual that counts, and he has it in spades.
Blue-collared folks are like everyone else. Their “intelligence” is no better or worse than other classes. But they don’t have to navel gaze (or even be online here debating policies or politics, as they WORK for a living). My sis comes home and sleeps in the chair before going to bed, so tired pulling a full work day. By the time she wakes up, she has only enough time to eat and spend an hour or two with family, and off to work again. They’re the backbone of America, growing, making and fixing what folks take for granted. It sickens me that Elitist pigs would look down at them as stupid idiots, when if it weren’t for them, they’d be dead (as their hands can’t do crap, let alone be bothered to change the oil in their car; fix their HVAC; repair their computers; or even grow their own food).
Bill never forgot his roots. He may live in a fancy house in NY now, but when he comes home he’s one of the boys again. We know he’s moved on, but he doesn’t make us feel we’re inferior that he did. He’s natural, not some stiff lipped poser (one of the problems with Edwards is he came from the same background, but forgot his roots, and only comes back to pander to them for some political gain. He’s of the genteel class, now).
So yeah, class may not mean anything on paper or what you can see on the street today, but it’s inside that you can feel and even read insults about from who are really ignorant.
Agreed.
As much as Carter is excoriated for not attacking Iran, in the game of asymmetric warfare, it was a BRILLIANT move.
IMO, the US was being baited by the Iranians, maybe even the USSR, and Carter resisted.
True balls arent’ measured by shock and awe, they’re measured by winning the LONG TERM game, and all these little fleas who go to the gun, first, using intimidation, just don’t get it.
Look at the middle east, even Chavez.
Think they’re baited into war?
Their countries falling apart from within, and they don’t recognize it, or even understand WHY it is happening.
And here Bush and Cheney and Rove fall into the exact same mindset, the exact same pattern.
And GA has some beautiful country, they didn’t build sub-divisions everywhere, did they?
voting takes discipline and daily committment. i don’t think the young are typically into that. it is sort of a passing thing meaning they won’t be in the democratic in a year when barry is again back in chicago older but not much wiser.
One thing I am getting extremely tired of during this campaign is the term constantly being bantered by BO towards Hillary being negative!
When did things like:
Status quo
Politics of Old
Instilling fear by ads asking who would you want answering the phone in the Whitehouse at 3AM
Misleading and saying BO campaign people met with forgeign governments saying ignore the rhetoric on NAFTA
And so on as being negative by Clinton, they are from BO!
Questioning someone vying for the Presidency is part of the interview process is it not?
What hit home over the last 3 days is one answer was given! WHO DO YOU WANT ANSWERING THE PHONE IN THE WHITEHOUSE AT 3AM?
Well Senator Obama, definately not you! You proved by being confronted with simple truths like speaking to a forgeign government, and you deny and deny, then when the proof appears you did, you defame it all as a misinterpritation instead of being forthright and saying from the start, yes we did, it was a bonehead mistake! Why would anyone want you answering the Whitehouse phone at 3AM for, to awake at 7AM at war or with the American dollar in the garbage?
The lesson learned over the past week isn’t Clinton thowing the kitchen sink at you, she didn’t, nothing Clinton did was made up or false, she simply possed viable questions arising towards your actions to which you exposed the following:
Lacked judgement in responding!
Lacked transparency in your responses!
Lacked leadership in not firing Goolsbee!
Lacked vision in what the exposures of these events would produce!
Lacked integrity in your denials!
Lacked “hope of Change” in an Obama governement!
You were barely tested Senator Obama, and you failed! Your “Present Button” did not work this time and rhetoric will change that from here on out! America doesn’t want a President who will run from things that matter, they want a fighter to stand up to them! SENATOR OBAMA YOU FAILED!
All you, Senator Obama, proved to the American people this past week is that your rhetoric is just empty and that “change” from an Obama President would be backwards and not forward!
I was rereading the accounts of the press conference, where he was absolutely unable to handle the soft questions about Rezko, and NAFTA.
In fact Christopher Hitchens wrote an essay on that matter, and it’s pretty funny.
But LOOK at how Obama was unable to control the situation, appearing flummoxed, and confused, without a teleprompter, or a script. Truly frightening.
I thought he was smarter than Bush.
His campaign and supporters (and Michelle) have done him no favors by coddling him. He looked like a spoiled child who had to answer to mommy and daddy why he got a D on his report card.
Can he imagine it’ll get any better? Yes, he can. He’s good at delusions of grandeur.
Good thing the voters are seeing through his carny act.
I hope Hillary bounces his ass to the kerb when it comes time to select a VP.
Great day to be a Clinton supporter for sure! Impressive, hard fought victories and now time helps Hillary and hurts Barack. He desperately needed a kill shot yesterday and the people told him “No, you can’t”. Excellent.
But I see a developing narrative being pushed by the Obama camp that I think is absolutely imperative to stop cold; namely, that yesterday’s victories were due only to “Hillary the Negative” aligning the forces of darkness against “Barack the Pure”.
What complete BS. Let’s remind folks of Barack’s Harry and Louise Lite ad denounced as deceptive, the caucus roughousing tactics that would make a Teamster organizer blush, and everything else.
Both are playing hardball and both are playing for keeps. Good—this isn’t an election for Prom King. It’s for the presidency and both sides are obligated to make their points and make them hard.
It was a great night, won fair and square by Hillary Clinton. On to Pennsylvania.
These are the hard facts.
1. In 48 years Dems have had only 5 presidents. That’s about 1 in 10 years.
2. The Dem party is trashed by flaming liberals who push and not compromise so hard, that they’ll even cannibalize their own party and sitting presidents — LBJ, Carter and Clinton — to get their way. Then abandon the party altogether after the bloodbath (very disloyal).
3. “Unity” brings candidates that lose GE elections, as they are not electable (either too radical, or too anti-something [i.e., the military is a major no-no]).
Want to win? Hillary has to literally walk over the dead weight in high heels even. Either fight to win — hells bells on whatever special interest is hurt by not getting it’s dirty limelight — or just give the GOP the GE.
Dems need a backbone here, not be cowards and push cockeyed ideas that is too radical to even meet reality. In troubled times security is what matters — be it enemies foreign or domestic — radical change now isn’t what’s needed. We need to be secure with what matters to WORKING Americans. Not mess with the government as some social experiment — save that for times when the economy is well, and voters feel “change” is doable.
O-Bomba’s message is not right for today. Maybe tomorrow, but today Americans want security AT HOME.
Flaming liberal, here.
The democrats were trashed by elitist hypocrites, like Kos, and any other number of behind the scene political consultants.
And the republicans are just as guilty, look at David Addington, or Grover Norquist, or Jack Abramoff.
At the very least, those Republicans are honest about their disdain for other (and hence, themselves) the democratic wannabe elite, lie, and think no one notices.
I live in Washington, D.C. Just a few minutes ago, I was just at Starbucks getting a coffee. There was an animated conversation behind me by an obvious Obama operative with his friend. He was babbling on and on about how the campaign plans to use an anticipated win in the Wyoming caucus this coming Saturday to “cancel out all the hoopla from yesterday.” He then allowed that the start of May is a critical time for the Obama campaign when they anticipate they will have 1,600 pledged delegates, and the nomination will be theirs for the grabbing. He also was brimming with confidence that they easily will take Pennsylvania. I thought I would spread the Obama love around this morning to different web sites with a pro-Hillary bent just to share the joy of the Obama campaign in its losses yesterday.
I think the “winning in PA” part of his statement shows about how grounded in reality this operative is. We are going to have weeks of Rezko even before PA. I understand Hillary has organizers in WY too. Should be interesting.
Ah, the bologna headed Karl Rove is frightened.
Well, good.
One pundit on CNN [after CNN announced Ohio for Hillary, but before Texas], a man with a mustache-I don’t know his name, said that Hillary should drop out because she can’t win the nomination and if this goes on, all of those new, young, inspired Obama supporters could be lost to the Democratic party. [this is a very approximate quote] One of the more unusual rationales for Hillary dropping out. Obama was really pushing for her to drop out, then, after her win, reassuring everyone she didn’t have the delegate numbers to give her a win in Denver.
What a sweet victory for Hillary. Many thanks to Susan, Larry, Taylor, and others who kept the accurate information out there and helped keep her campaign alive. I thank you, my three daughters and my two grand daughters, and my great grand daughter thank you.
If Hillary wins Pennsylvania..they should turn to a Clinton/Obama ticket, pulling our elders in, the young folks, African American voters. It will be time to Unite and head into the summer United! Then pivot and begin taking the Republicans out.
Edwards or Fitz (pull in an “alleged” Republican) as Attorney General. I wish they could find a spot for Senator Russ Feingold (this man is consistent and honorable in this voting record)
Where will General Wesley Clark fit in?
I would like to see Bruce Fein in this upcoming administration.
Gore, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Daddy Bush as Ambassadors.
Hillary eight years (please Hillary do not go along with the radicals agenda with Iran..please please please) Obama eight years, Chelsea Clinton eight years (o.k. after I heard Chelsea speak she made me believe in dynasties)
“Clinton/Obama ticket”
I will die of exhaustion as Angelina Jolie’s boy-toy before that happens.
LOL, I also say no. Hillary Clinton will pick who she wants as VP.
I think she will pick Wesley Clark. I would.
I mean he will knock McCain out on military experience and National Security. And Hiilary and Clark respect one another.
Kathleen,
Obama is a criminal, with DIRECT connections to a man who is suspected of funding terrorism, (Nadhmi Auchi) the same terrorists who murder civilians, even American civilians.
A man like Obama should be in prison, and with the grace of god, he will be.
It’s beginning to look as if Obama has partaken in major wrong doing, selling his services as a Senator, some of us have suspected as much for YEARS.
Just read through all the comments from last night. Funny, insightful and thank you Susan and Larry for all you do. I have something to confess when I realized what one person wrote referring to my voting for Hillary, which I had said I would do.
Bless me Clinton Bloggers for I have sinned, my last confession was…
Towards the end of last week I had decided to vote for Hillary based on wanting the debate to continue. (Lots of issues not discussed.) But yesterday as I drove to the precinct I moved back to my conscience…I voted for John Edwards (knowing that I was throwing my vote away and honoring my conscience in the primary and betting that Hillary would win in Ohio and that the debate would continue). I am really happy that HIllary won so the debate continues.
Edwards delegates are still in play
Sorry Susan Larry and all I still need to hear one of these candidates commit to NO LOBBYIST IN THEIR ADMINISTRATIONS. My penance ….I will continue to push the MSM to ask the questions about issues that have been avoided. Even with McCain.
So if a lobbyist for special needs kids, who works on a shoestring budget, is perfect for a position in the Department of Education, she shouldn’t be offered the job?
NO LOBBYIST IN THE ADMINISTRATIONS
Someone with those same qualifications without ever having lobbied.
Even if the person who hires no lobbyists will end up being more right-wing?
Lobbyist in most administrations have produced more problems than solutions.
NO LOBBYIST IN THEIR ADMINISTRATIONS.
Kathleen, I suggest that you go and read Lou Dobb’s book on the “War on the Middle Class”. He goes into detail about lobbyists, and how deep they’re involved in the political process.
To remove them as you want it, will collapse the government. Because the government now is dependent on them FOR INFORMATION. Those think tanks are full of them, and government relies on their scholarship.
So no, you can’t remove them overnight with a wand. The only way is to replace the system with a more non-political information storehouse, instead.
Problem there is, no one would want to fund it, as it’s not in their own self-interests.
Politics is promoting self-interests (why the “grassroots” even exists). Can’t remove itself from itself.
What is congress for?
That’s cool, voting for Edwards. He was my first choice too.
I had really shifted towards Hillary at the end of last week…based on wanting the debate to continue. My conscience got the better of me, even if I threw my vote away in the primary. I knew Hillary would take Ohio.
It’s America, Kathleen, it’s political freedom within the confine of intelligent law, and that’s what it’s all about.
No one should ever intimidate you, or PUSH your vote, that’s criminal, and abusive.
Praise Rush Limbaugh for the Clinton results in Texas.
But she is still losing and will lose.
Tuesday, March 04, 2008
What Has Rush Wrought?
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 8:18 PM
If Hillary ekes out close wins, stays alive, gains the nomination and the White House, will Rush hold the Bible at her Inauguration?
Bill O’Reilly was just on with Brit Hume giving Rush the credit for the Clinton comeback –which is certainly the least expected bit of Campaign 2009 news in this very, very long campaign.
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/247b75fd-4c92-4470-b2de-f42d8812f216
Are you a Hewitt fan, Cee?
LOL, he’s crazy…
Such firghtened little men…
Does anyone have reliable info. on the new
delegate count; I presume the gap has narrow a bit ?
RCP has Clinton UP with the popular vote *without* counting FL, MI nor the WA primaries.
They are spinning it that it’s because Hillary went negative and threw the kitchen sink at him.
What did she throw at him that he didn’t do to himself?
Also they’re ignoring the fact that he outspent her by a lot.
I think the kitchen sink is a little bigger than they think. She threw a glass of water.
Obama screwed this up all by himself by playing both sides of an issue, getting caught, lying about it and then using Bush’s talking points to try to get out of his predicament.
“No, sir, didn’t happen and even if it did, which it didn’t, but if it did, then it is Hillary’s fault because the media leaked it.”
I mean he has been caught stealing speeches from anyone and everyone, but now he is reduced to stealing from Bush’s playbook?
How nice.
In Fox interview, Clinton ‘thanks’ Rove
David Edwards and John Byrne
Published: Wednesday March 5, 2008
Clinton parried a question about her “humanity,” wooing the network she had once decried.
“I have a little secret, which I will only tell Fox, if you promise not to tell anybody else,” she said. “You know what, I really am a human being. I know that’s hard to believe, but it happens to be true.”
Karl Rove “has handed me a note,” added Fox anchor Steve Doocy (the clip takes place at 2:51). “More US presidents have been born in the month of October than any other month. You were born in—?”
“October,” Clinton replied. “Thank you, Karl. I mean the omens are just stacking up. What can I say?”
Asked about a Rush Limbaugh effort to have Republicans vote for Clinton in Texas, Clinton said, “Be careful what you wish for, Rush.”
Rove complimented Clinton’s performance.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Rove_participates_in_Clinton_Obama_interviews_0305.html
LOL. Karl Rove is such a fawning toadie. He must be very afraid now, is frantically trying to do some last minute brown-nosing. As if.
He should be indicted.
From your lips, to gods ears.
Every time I got a request for cash from her campaign I chipped in.
Just the same, I didn’t think she had a snowball’s chance in Hell in Texas.
I’m pleased with the result, however something really tickles my cynical gene.
This says that one hell of a lot of Republicans voted for Obama.
This group appears to be a real group of blog-trotters.
So, are there any analytically-minded bloggers out there who have a more realistic assessment of this victory?
PS
Welcome to Stalingrad, Obama Worshipers.
Smilin’, over at Talk Left, Armando (whoops, Big Tent Democrat) is making a case that Obama keeps his media darling status while Clinton has lost the “wine class” voter (whatever the hell that demographic is):
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/5/8634/67370
So he’s come up with some sort of revote scenario in MI and FL, plus a unity ticket.
To the first I say, “why bother with a revote?” We don’t need to spend another $5M each on a revote. The people already spoke. Tough shit if Obama listened to some lame radio talk show host and had his peeps vote “undecided” in MI. Shows bad judgement on his part.
If Clinton is the nominee, the AA demographic will come home. They loved the Clintons before Obama poisoned them with his kool-aid. Her surrogates in the AA community will heal the divide. So I think it’s a false concern.
As for these false demographics (wine-class track voters, latte liberals, Prius-drivers–take your pick), she has shown that she really doesn’t need them.
They’re not false, they exist.
Just like the race and gender barriers exist.
REALISTS see this, not try to bury them because it’s not “pc”.
PCness is the enemy, as it tries to hide the truth. The truth for eons that folks don’t want to address, and when from time-to-time they blow up, like to put a bandage on it (things like welfare and other bread and circuses) as it’s easier — and for the cynical, the “power” has to keep alive to have scapegoats and/or victims. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and even the ADL shows us there’s even a business marketing division and PCness.
Uh, on any given day I’m one of these: last night I was wine-class, this morning I’m latte, and this summer I intend to buy a Prius.
Yet here I am, a Clinton supporter.
Gosh, I suppose my hispanic roots canceled out my Ph.D.-educated brain, which, according to pundits, meant that I was an Obama supporter.
See how silly this is.
You’re an exception of the rule, yet you don’t overturn the rule itself.
I’m not sure fribbles is the exception to any rule — I have to tell you that this putting people into these teeny, tiny demographic boxes and then telling them who they should vote for is ridiculous. One demographic that I fall into contradicts another, which cancels out a third in terms of who I’m supposed to vote for. According to all of the demographic info about voters we’ve been hearing, I wouldn’t be able to vote for anyone, or I’d have to vote for everyone. We need to just stop with the pitting of one group against another — the one demographic group that I belong to that caused me to vote the way I did is those with an active thought process — I haven’t seen that group show up on any exit polling though.
You need, not I. I’m very happy to not “fit in” with the herd, thank you. One My Lai was enough.
I value my independence, not have Kossacks/Freepers telling me what I can say and do, due to some cockeyed PCness.
Also I won’t deny human nature. People are different, and we’ll always will be different, and folks will judge people on their differences. No amount of whitewashing will cover it up, nor deny it’s existence.
btd has good intentions but he is an obama supporter(tepid-per btd). he did call 10% for the win last night. but i have to disagree hillary isn’t losing voters. she is gaining them. just look at the new donors. the elite for obama were never for her.
and the media hacks will obey their superiors as always. they’ll turn on obama as they won’t have a choice. more and more is coming out on barry that can’t be ignored.
We have decided, at my house, Putin is more fun than Cheney, speaking of those who would be Stalin.
Wait a minute - she won Texas. People say she can’t win the general election, but she beat Obama in Texas. George Bush’s home state.
Yes.
My question is does anyone have an estimate of the number of Republicans that strategically voted for Obama?
The perfect storm, a Republican state primary in which
McCain must cinch to knock everyone else out
A Jesus freak is running
A Texas Favorite Son is running
Yet there is a couple of million gap between the greater Democrat and Republican turnouts in a state controlled by a Republican majority for nearly fifteen years.
(irony)Oh but weren’t Democrats hyperinspired to vote?(/irony)
You betcha.
This is the best article that I have read that explains the Edwards delegates that come into play.
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/John_Edwards_to_Quit_Pre
s/2008/01/30/68622.html
“Edwards amassed 56 national convention delegates, most of whom will be free to support either Obama or Clinton.
As expected, Edwards said he was suspending his campaign rather than ending it, but aides said that was simply legal terminology so that he can continue to receive federal matching funds for his campaign donations.
An immediate impact of Edwards’ withdrawal will be six additional delegates for Obama, giving him a total of 187, and four more for Clinton, giving her 253. A total of 2,025 delegates are needed to secure the Democratic nomination.
Edwards won 26 delegates in the Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina contests. Under party rules, 10 of those delegates will be automatically dispersed among Obama and Clinton, based on their vote totals in those respective contests. The remaining 16 remain pledged to Edwards, meaning his campaign will have a say in naming them.”
Edwards Delegates
In suspending his campaign _ instead of terminating it _ Edwards keeps all 26 delegates he won in the Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina contests. After he officially exits, 10 of those delegates will be dispersed to the other candidates, with Obama getting six and Clinton getting four. Under party rules, Edwards will maintain a say in naming the other 16 delegates.
Edwards had also collected endorsements from 30 superdelegates _ mainly party and elected officials who automatically attend the convention and can support whomever they choose. Three superdelegates had already switched from Edwards to Obama before Edwards suspended his campaign.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/30/john-edwards-to-drop-out-_n_84009.html
Why should Hillary put Obama on the ticket if Rezko stuff is looming on the horizon?
I’m AA, college educated, drink wine and am a Hillary supporter.
You should know that there will be a lot of deeply felt wounds in the AA community if Obama doesn’t get the nom. Some will heal, some won’t. Truthfully, what is needed to distance Obama some from the AA base is emphasis on his bi-racial roots as well as unsavory alliances with people like Rezko and Auchi.
At some point the press has to be a lot clearer about the misquote that made AAs get upset with Bill Clinton. A lot of people don’t know what was really said, black and white. But he was misquoted by Michelle Obama and people like Gov. Wilder, who knows the truth, keep circulating the lie.
And Ted Kennedy and Kerry are no better. Which brings me to that punkass Kerry. Why anyone would take him seriously after he allowed himself to get bitchslapped by the Swift Boaters and did nothing, is beyond me.
Regarding Florida and Michigan. I don’t care whose fault it is, they NEED TO FIX IT! They won’t win with Obama for sure in Nov if the voters in those states feel left out. And they might as well deall with that!!!!
I agree, I think it would be in the better interests of the AA community to distance itself from Obama, particularly as it will be used, unfortunately, to denigrate.
It’s so easy for others to reinforce stereotype, if Clinton had fallen apart, all women would be branded as weak, it’s just the way it is, you have to work twice as hard to get half the credit until the main culture accepts you, and even then you still have to fight.
I sincerely hope this does not happen, and it won’t, if all the eggs aren’t put into one (foo) basket.
I’m AA (Asian-American), not college educated, don’t drink, and am a Hillary supporter.
Blacks won’t disengage from O-Bomba, because they see him as another MLK, Jr.
The Bi-racial ploy would just cause more divisions, r-e-a-l-l-y ugly ones, that exposes racism in it’s most ugly light (i.e., things like how Black women are upset when Black men date White women, and taking it out on both). Those who are bi-racial, feel v-e-r-y uncomfortable about having to choose what side they identify with, as most would just rather be themselves, not some micro-ethnic group.
But the way PCness is with Dems, that tactic just won’t work. Already denying things like divisions of class, color, ethnicity, and whatever, all under some banner of “multi-culturalism”.
Good points. Just met my AA neighbor who is for Hillary, saw Bush coming from miles away in 2000. She said she doesn’t know who Obama really is, as he has no record.
She joked that Obama must be some Republican plant to spoil this election.
And how do pollsters measure the “wine track” voters anyway? “Do you drink wine” “do you own and stock a wine cellar”? Also, the working class voters I would think are more hardcore about getting to the polls, as are senior citizens, aren’t they? Wine track voters would be fine with Hillary.
Would you have to include Senator Obama in the “wine track” voters, since his Chicago residence came with one?
No shit, Sherlock.
A feckin’ Kenwood Mansion, no less. I’d really hate to pay to heat the place, though.
For a young fella that came to do good, he certainly has done well.
Let the whataboutry begin.
Mimi; Thanks for answering a few questions for me that I might not have otherwise have asked. I appreciate your candor.
There is a very sensitive “race relations” elephant in the room being antagonized by the MSM and electoral politics. You mentioned “deeply felt wounds in the AA community”. Where are the relief points in this dialogue that must be had, if the Democratic party is to be succesful in the fall?
Along the same lines;
Regarding Florida and Michigan, do you see any dynamics playing out between Senator Clinton’s public statements abouy wanting these votes counted and Obama’s statement after the Floridia primaries saying the “The Vote doesn’t count.” ?
Also looking at Michigan, Does the fact that Senator Clinton’s name was on the ballot and Senator Obama’s was not make a difference in how these votes are considered and under what circumstances would the AA (as you put it) be alienated other than being just like every other Democrat in that state?
The Clinton team is stoking the Rezko fire and all that will serve is bringing up Hillary’s past “alleged” involvement with real estate scandals. This is going to backfire on the Clinton campaign if they are not more careful.
Talk about the fucking issues. Stay on health care, Nafta, education, experience. The battles that she has focused on. Use some of the clips from her fight for health care for all in the 90’s. She waged quite the battle.
Get off the Rezko issue I believe it is sure to backfire on the Clinton campaign.
Talk about Israel and Palestine…a Two state solution, Nuclear non-proliferation diplomacy with Iran. ( I listen to c-span 4 mornings a week, Clinton and OBama teams should listen…there is a shift in the public they are better informed, they are seriously questioning are lopsided support for Israel, our warmongering with Iran) Stay on how Americans want to not only improve their own lot, but give more to others around the world. (Hillary should take on some of Obama’s strategy that has inspired so many).
A new direction, acknowledging the mistakes, learning from them and heading in a NEW DIRECTION.
Could someone help me out and tell me what is in the primary calendar before April 22nd ?
What’s states are voting until then?
Thanks!
Mississippi and Wyoming, Obama favored in both states.
calender & stats.
http://boston.com/news/politics/2008/primaries/
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