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		<title>By: Pieter B</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-155711</link>
		<dc:creator>Pieter B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, what the hell were Olbermann and Robinson smoking tonight that they thought Hillary would be mad at the SNL folks for that bit? Talk about not seeing the substance for being dazzled by the surface . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, what the hell were Olbermann and Robinson smoking tonight that they thought Hillary would be mad at the SNL folks for that bit? Talk about not seeing the substance for being dazzled by the surface . . .</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-155425</link>
		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The only thing it is really hurts are
comments like those by Obama “My supporters will not support Sen. Clinton but her supporters will support me”. 

That is an open call to his supporters for a boycott should he not win the nomination.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And get this, I first heard comments like this before the Iowa Caucuses. When Bill Clinton&#039;s comments were misquoted bye Michelle Obama and circulated by the MSM fueling AA outrage, then these comments really took on steam. And after the media timidly corrected the misquote, now in the AA community many don&#039;t even know this and when presented with the evidence they simply don&#039;t care about the truth.

So who started this? Obama has taken the Democratic Party hostage and someone needs to call him on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The only thing it is really hurts are<br />
comments like those by Obama “My supporters will not support Sen. Clinton but her supporters will support me”. </p>
<p>That is an open call to his supporters for a boycott should he not win the nomination.</p></blockquote>
<p>And get this, I first heard comments like this before the Iowa Caucuses. When Bill Clinton&#8217;s comments were misquoted bye Michelle Obama and circulated by the MSM fueling AA outrage, then these comments really took on steam. And after the media timidly corrected the misquote, now in the AA community many don&#8217;t even know this and when presented with the evidence they simply don&#8217;t care about the truth.</p>
<p>So who started this? Obama has taken the Democratic Party hostage and someone needs to call him on it.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;The guy can’t get a break in the media.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

HUH?????

That&#039;s all the media has been giving this guy. That was the reason Tina Fey kicked things off on SNL. 

This is what has me so absolutely pissed with Obama and his fans. Did they think the &quot;Days of Wine and Roses&quot; was going to last forever?

You should look back on how SNL hammered Bill Clinton over the Lewinsky scandal and his philandering back in the 90s. Please Obamatons grow the fuck up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;The guy can’t get a break in the media.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>HUH?????</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all the media has been giving this guy. That was the reason Tina Fey kicked things off on SNL. </p>
<p>This is what has me so absolutely pissed with Obama and his fans. Did they think the &#8220;Days of Wine and Roses&#8221; was going to last forever?</p>
<p>You should look back on how SNL hammered Bill Clinton over the Lewinsky scandal and his philandering back in the 90s. Please Obamatons grow the fuck up!</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Susan, people get over it. Where would I be if I hadn&#039;t gotten over Kennedy being assassinated when I was in junior high school, followed by King then RFK on top of that? Life is not sweet to you all of the time and I feel adults and parents are doing young people a real disservice in coddling them ad nauseum.

But more important, what will happen when Obama finally reveals his true self to to them? What about their disappointment then?

You just cannot live life in a bubble. The sooner kids understand that, the better. And this is even more true when it comes to politics. Better they should focus on the privilege of democracy and the US Constitution and how great it is to be an American in spite of all the problems and imperfections and how it doesn&#039;t get any better by not particiapting in it especially on a local and state level where you have more and immediate access. 

But Joan Rivers says it better and simpler: &lt;strong&gt;GROW UP!!!!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Susan, people get over it. Where would I be if I hadn&#8217;t gotten over Kennedy being assassinated when I was in junior high school, followed by King then RFK on top of that? Life is not sweet to you all of the time and I feel adults and parents are doing young people a real disservice in coddling them ad nauseum.</p>
<p>But more important, what will happen when Obama finally reveals his true self to to them? What about their disappointment then?</p>
<p>You just cannot live life in a bubble. The sooner kids understand that, the better. And this is even more true when it comes to politics. Better they should focus on the privilege of democracy and the US Constitution and how great it is to be an American in spite of all the problems and imperfections and how it doesn&#8217;t get any better by not particiapting in it especially on a local and state level where you have more and immediate access. </p>
<p>But Joan Rivers says it better and simpler: <strong>GROW UP!!!!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-155148</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more with what Susan writes. I wrote a very strong letter today to Sen. J. Kerry to stop this nonsense. You know his seat is being contested in MA. 

Kathleen; ask yourself: why do they really want to abortthe democratic primary proceess? About 27M people have voted (a record by any measure) and each candiadte has about 50% of the popular vote. That is unbelievable. What ae the Obama surrogates so &lt;em&gt;afraid&lt;/em&gt; of? 

Let the people choose and then after June 1st; all the surrogates, superdelegates and yo name it will have enough time to make a sound decision based on what the whole country has said and what is the best candidate for the GE. 

I hear a lot about Obama&#039;s 50 state strategy vs. Clinton&#039;s whatever. But is seems he doesn&#039;t really want all 50 states to have a say....

The party  will be fine. Nothing that is said now is new nor will be not said (albeit 1000 times worse) by McCain in the GE campaign. 

The only thing it is &lt;em&gt;really hurts&lt;/em&gt; are 
comments like those by Obama &lt;strong&gt;&quot;My supporters will not support Sen. Clinton but her supporters will support me&quot;. &lt;/strong&gt;

That is an open call to his supporters for a boycott should he not win the nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with what Susan writes. I wrote a very strong letter today to Sen. J. Kerry to stop this nonsense. You know his seat is being contested in MA. </p>
<p>Kathleen; ask yourself: why do they really want to abortthe democratic primary proceess? About 27M people have voted (a record by any measure) and each candiadte has about 50% of the popular vote. That is unbelievable. What ae the Obama surrogates so <em>afraid</em> of? </p>
<p>Let the people choose and then after June 1st; all the surrogates, superdelegates and yo name it will have enough time to make a sound decision based on what the whole country has said and what is the best candidate for the GE. </p>
<p>I hear a lot about Obama&#8217;s 50 state strategy vs. Clinton&#8217;s whatever. But is seems he doesn&#8217;t really want all 50 states to have a say&#8230;.</p>
<p>The party  will be fine. Nothing that is said now is new nor will be not said (albeit 1000 times worse) by McCain in the GE campaign. </p>
<p>The only thing it is <em>really hurts</em> are<br />
comments like those by Obama <strong>&#8220;My supporters will not support Sen. Clinton but her supporters will support me&#8221;. </strong></p>
<p>That is an open call to his supporters for a boycott should he not win the nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Howell</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-155111</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine too.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-155038</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with your posts.  Right now, I think a whole lot of Obama &quot;supporters&quot; are just riding the tide of what&#039;s Cool Right Now.  Their ridiculous hero worship of a guy who has ZERO accomplishments on his record doesn&#039;t inspire me to believe these particular children are our future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with your posts.  Right now, I think a whole lot of Obama &#8220;supporters&#8221; are just riding the tide of what&#8217;s Cool Right Now.  Their ridiculous hero worship of a guy who has ZERO accomplishments on his record doesn&#8217;t inspire me to believe these particular children are our future.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A BIG part of politics involves &quot;just getting over it.&quot;  Every contest has winners and losers.  My first choice for President in 1988 was Al Gore.  In 1992 it was Bob Kerrey.  In 2004 it was Howard Dean.  Each time, I had to &quot;get over it&quot; and support my party&#039;s candidate because the stakes were too high not to.

I suspect that a HELL of a lot of Obama supporters don&#039;t really care that much about politics and will completely lose interest if he is not the nominee.  It might happen anyway- younger voters don&#039;t exactly have a reputation for knocking people down to get to the polls on election day.  The political graveyard is filled with candidates who counted on a big turnout among young people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A BIG part of politics involves &#8220;just getting over it.&#8221;  Every contest has winners and losers.  My first choice for President in 1988 was Al Gore.  In 1992 it was Bob Kerrey.  In 2004 it was Howard Dean.  Each time, I had to &#8220;get over it&#8221; and support my party&#8217;s candidate because the stakes were too high not to.</p>
<p>I suspect that a HELL of a lot of Obama supporters don&#8217;t really care that much about politics and will completely lose interest if he is not the nominee.  It might happen anyway- younger voters don&#8217;t exactly have a reputation for knocking people down to get to the polls on election day.  The political graveyard is filled with candidates who counted on a big turnout among young people.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what makes it especially dangerous is that many of these young people- I daresay the great majority of them- are for Obama because he&#039;s Obama.  They couldnt name his positions on any vital issue of the day if you held a gun to their heads.  So once Obama is out of the scene, I expect a lot of them to go look for the next flashy toy under the tree.

I also worry about the Obama supporters who decide that if they can&#039;t get what they want, they simply won&#039;t play.  They&#039;ll take their ball and go home, as it were.  And they&#039;ll spend the next twenty years using Obama&#039;s failure as an excuse to turn off on politics.  We&#039;ve heard this many times before- &quot;I&#039;m just not EXCITED about politics anymore, so I don&#039;t care.&quot;  Such people often consider themselves more &quot;ideologically pure&quot; than the rest of us - like the idiots who proudly email Lou Dobbs to announce they are switching their party registration to &quot;Independent.&quot; 

Obama is so not worth such devotion.  He&#039;s getting it though.  Which is why Hillary will probably have to hand him the Vice Presidency, though Wesley Clark would be a vastly better, more responsible choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what makes it especially dangerous is that many of these young people- I daresay the great majority of them- are for Obama because he&#8217;s Obama.  They couldnt name his positions on any vital issue of the day if you held a gun to their heads.  So once Obama is out of the scene, I expect a lot of them to go look for the next flashy toy under the tree.</p>
<p>I also worry about the Obama supporters who decide that if they can&#8217;t get what they want, they simply won&#8217;t play.  They&#8217;ll take their ball and go home, as it were.  And they&#8217;ll spend the next twenty years using Obama&#8217;s failure as an excuse to turn off on politics.  We&#8217;ve heard this many times before- &#8220;I&#8217;m just not EXCITED about politics anymore, so I don&#8217;t care.&#8221;  Such people often consider themselves more &#8220;ideologically pure&#8221; than the rest of us &#8211; like the idiots who proudly email Lou Dobbs to announce they are switching their party registration to &#8220;Independent.&#8221; </p>
<p>Obama is so not worth such devotion.  He&#8217;s getting it though.  Which is why Hillary will probably have to hand him the Vice Presidency, though Wesley Clark would be a vastly better, more responsible choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Howell</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-155027</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IndyRobin - 

     Pathetic isn&#039;t it?!  A free press was designed to protect the electorate not deceive it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IndyRobin &#8211; </p>
<p>     Pathetic isn&#8217;t it?!  A free press was designed to protect the electorate not deceive it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Howell</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-155024</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen - 

     &lt;strong&gt;I&#039;m hearing from some fine young people that they are voting for Hillary Clinton because they feel that Barack Obama is morally weak for doing drugs when he was their age.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen &#8211; </p>
<p>     <strong>I&#8217;m hearing from some fine young people that they are voting for Hillary Clinton because they feel that Barack Obama is morally weak for doing drugs when he was their age.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: judith weingarten</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/09/snls-latest-coc-experience/#comment-155017</link>
		<dc:creator>judith weingarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw it and put it on my blog

&lt;a&gt; href= &quot;http://judithweingarten.blogspot.com/2008/03/polished-like-zenobias-gold.html&quot;&gt; Empress of the East&lt;/a&gt;

And note, my dear fellow Democrats, the applause for the Afro-American candidate.  Would Obama&#039;s team reciprocate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw it and put it on my blog</p>
<p><a> href= &#8220;http://judithweingarten.blogspot.com/2008/03/polished-like-zenobias-gold.html&#8221;&gt; Empress of the East</a></p>
<p>And note, my dear fellow Democrats, the applause for the Afro-American candidate.  Would Obama&#8217;s team reciprocate?</p>
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		<title>By: Mostest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mostest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Polished Like Gold&quot;

That should be on the banner at Hillary&#039;s inauguration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Polished Like Gold&#8221;</p>
<p>That should be on the banner at Hillary&#8217;s inauguration.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Howell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for saying it so well Simon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for saying it so well Simon!</p>
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		<title>By: susanunpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>susanunpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, your concerns are valid, and your anxiety is palpable.  But I have no worries that this will tear the party asunder. 

For one thing, it is Obama&#039;s minions who are spreading the message that this will destroy the Democratic party.  Why?  

Because they want to shut down any serious scrutiny and debate about Obama&#039;s qualifications to be president.

I am listening to MTP, and Daschle just trotted out the &quot;this&#039;ll hurt the party&quot; meme because he was LOSING THE ARGUMENT at hand -- and had run out of his poor arguments -- on the inherent unfairness of caucuses versus absentee ballots (re Michigan, etc.).  

It&#039;s a &quot;last recourse&quot; argument.  We shouldn&#039;t fall for it.  The party will be fine in no time.  

When you worry about this -- and write so many comments about it -- I hope you&#039;ll consider why people are delivering that message to you,  Ask what their motives are.  They&#039;re trying to get you and others to shut down, and accept what they want.  And there is much history to counter &lt;em&gt;their&lt;/em&gt; FEARMONGERING about the party and our ability to beat McCain.  The party usually comes together.  It did so in almost all past election cycles.

For one thing, the vast majority of Democrats -- very busy people who work, have children, and homes to care for -- do not obsess about all this like we do on the blogs, and they&#039;ll go along with the final decision ... although I predict that many not stitched tightly to the party will cross over and vote for McCain in November, particularly if Obama is the nominee.

We have to vet our candidates, much as you did in your extremely careful assessments and studies of both Clinton and Obama before you voted last week in Ohio.  

I&#039;ve rarely met anyone as impressive as you in looking at every issue, and attending so many campaign rallies.  

There is NOTHING written here at NoQuarter that isn&#039;t known widely by the Republicans and conservative bloggers.  And they probably know a lot more than we, and will use all of it if he is the nominee.  We need to inform people now, before it is too late.  People will get it, sooner or later.  Preferably sooner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, your concerns are valid, and your anxiety is palpable.  But I have no worries that this will tear the party asunder. </p>
<p>For one thing, it is Obama&#8217;s minions who are spreading the message that this will destroy the Democratic party.  Why?  </p>
<p>Because they want to shut down any serious scrutiny and debate about Obama&#8217;s qualifications to be president.</p>
<p>I am listening to MTP, and Daschle just trotted out the &#8220;this&#8217;ll hurt the party&#8221; meme because he was LOSING THE ARGUMENT at hand &#8212; and had run out of his poor arguments &#8212; on the inherent unfairness of caucuses versus absentee ballots (re Michigan, etc.).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a &#8220;last recourse&#8221; argument.  We shouldn&#8217;t fall for it.  The party will be fine in no time.  </p>
<p>When you worry about this &#8212; and write so many comments about it &#8212; I hope you&#8217;ll consider why people are delivering that message to you,  Ask what their motives are.  They&#8217;re trying to get you and others to shut down, and accept what they want.  And there is much history to counter <em>their</em> FEARMONGERING about the party and our ability to beat McCain.  The party usually comes together.  It did so in almost all past election cycles.</p>
<p>For one thing, the vast majority of Democrats &#8212; very busy people who work, have children, and homes to care for &#8212; do not obsess about all this like we do on the blogs, and they&#8217;ll go along with the final decision &#8230; although I predict that many not stitched tightly to the party will cross over and vote for McCain in November, particularly if Obama is the nominee.</p>
<p>We have to vet our candidates, much as you did in your extremely careful assessments and studies of both Clinton and Obama before you voted last week in Ohio.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve rarely met anyone as impressive as you in looking at every issue, and attending so many campaign rallies.  </p>
<p>There is NOTHING written here at NoQuarter that isn&#8217;t known widely by the Republicans and conservative bloggers.  And they probably know a lot more than we, and will use all of it if he is the nominee.  We need to inform people now, before it is too late.  People will get it, sooner or later.  Preferably sooner.</p>
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