Obama’s Pastor: “God Damn America”
By SusanUnPC on March 13, 2008 at 12:25 PM in Barack Obama, Black Agenda Report, Hillary Clinton, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.
From Good Morning America today on the ABC network:
Obama’s Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama’s Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama’s Campaign Aides Say Is ‘Inflammatory Rhetoric’By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 13, 2008—Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.”
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s south side, has a long history of what even Obama’s campaign aides concede is “inflammatory rhetoric,” including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own “terrorism.”
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” He said Rev. Wright “is like an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, “The Audacity of Hope.”
An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright’s sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.
“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” he said in a 2003 sermon. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda’s attacks because of its own terrorism. [MORE BELOW.]
MORE FROM the ABC News story:
… the United States had brought on al Qaeda’s attacks because of its own terrorism.
“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” he told his congregation.
Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright’s 9/11 sermon. “The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification,” Obama said in a recent interview. “It sounds like he was trying to be provocative,” Obama told the paper.
[...]
“He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive,” said another member of the congregation.
Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country’s 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.
Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright’s approach, referring to his “social gospel” and his focus on Africa, “and I agree with him on that.”
Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright’s denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on “Good Morning America” Thursday, said Obama “had repudiated” those comments.
In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama’s press spokesman Bill Burton said, “Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they’re offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn’t detract from Sen. Obama’s affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done.”
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This is just one of the many reasons that Obama is the weaker candidate in the GE. It is so easy for the MCM to attack him about stuff like this. They are slowly building the narrative against him. No flag pin. Weird middle name - secret Muslim? Loves Farrakhan and Wright. Deeply connected with Syrian Reszko with ties to the Middle East and terrorism. Yada yada yada blah blah blah.
Personally, I agree that blowback did contribute to 9/11, and that America has not been kind to its AA population. If I were AA, I might say “God Damn America” too.
Unfortunately, the idiots who already think Obama is “unpatriotic” will jump on this as “proof” that he doesn’t “love his country.”
What’s your point?
Your writing is unclear.
heh.
Can you read? What’s unclear about madamab’s post.
I get it. Once McCain and the republican right wing smear machine gets hold of this they will use it to make mincemeat of Obama.
Fair? Right? hell no. But it is also reality.
Yes, he’s being disingenuous.
And so are you.
Man your about a stupid azz. If you listen to that stuff for 20 years then do you really beleive what he saying now. No way Jose, this guy will do and say anything to get to be president. Check out this video for the truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WxtYDifB_o and I made this video so it is ok to use here
Preaching racial harmony in America publicly while praticing racial hatred against white americans in secret. I’m sorry,not buying into this. It would seem that Obama not only has a problem loving all people of this country, but loving the country itself. How could a man that hates whites be Commander in Chief over the many sons and daughters of white men and women whose lives are on the line right now defending us against radical religious extremists and at the same time, agree with these extremists who are trying to kill them? Ridiculous. Let me tell you something about reverse racism. The first problem for me is the term “African American”. For those that subscribe to this description of themselves are saying that Africa is their origin, and the first country to which they pledge allegiance. And what exactly has Africa done for any of them? How many of them have ever been there? Would they like the way the future has turned out for the African people, starvation, plaque, death and poverty? How many of those “African Americans” what to give up their lives here in America and trade places with them? How their ancestors got here is unimportant, it is! The fact of the matter is that now their families don’t starve and live in deplorable filth and poverty in anyway comparable to that of a large portion of the African people. Many other races of people came to this country under similiar conditions, even poorer conditions, and both now and then were grateful for a chance at a good life for themselves and their children in this great country. They don’t call themselves “Japanese Americans” or “Chinese Americans” or “Irish Americans” they are Americans, and they appreciate her (America) as I do, and so the first problem with this kind of attitude to me, is their ungratefulness and divided loyality which is all fake and pretense anyhow because not one of them would willingly choose the life of a “real” African citizen. Also, I was approached just the other day at work by a black man who wanted to know if I had ever considered dating a “brother”. To which my question would be, “are you my father’s brother? My grandfather? My brother’s brother? Obviously we’re not all of the same family since somewhere along the way, you divided yourself from all the family I know, and attached your own self by your own choice to some other family that is an elite group. No, therefore, since by your own admission your a “brother” to some other type of people and not a “brother” to me and my family, I don’t date you. This keeps the hate alive. It is yourselves that won’t let it go and I don’t want that kind of atitude in charge of me, my family, or my country because it will always be the same as the old racism, unfair and full of hate.
Well that does it. Guess this means Senator Obama is a racist. All white folks better run since Senator Obama’s coming to Pennsylvania via Rev. Jeremiah “BlubberStupid” Wright. Senator Clinton WINS THE NOMINATION! Beers for all!
Oh let me stop. Once again, it’s Attack of the Angry Surrogate. Let the repudiations begin!
Are Obama’s money smurfs as lame as your trolls?
You know, mediocre uncreative thinking, pedantic, predictable structuring around weak attempts to obfuscate??
No one will jump on this, you’re on Pluto.
BUT, you will not be dissuaded, simply because you don’t know what else to do, and you cannot accept you are not competitive, you cannot analyze.
And Obama is in some DEEP DEEP shit.
So your someone else’s bitch, you just don’t get it, or see it.
And you dont understand it, either.
But you lose.
I already know Senator Obama will lose the Dem nomination “simple” simon. I could care less since I’m a member of a third party. Senator Obama can’t win for several reasons:
1. Rezco’s too new.
2. Obama can’t maintain the “Hope” message.
3. Obama’s inexperience is easy to criticize.
So quit all the pig latin. The reason I like this site is because of Larry Johnson’s splendid security analysis. But I can’t stand the Clinton - Obama supporter wars. And I call stuff as I see stuff. Heck, the Kos commenters always give me grief when I call out their nonsense about Senator Clinton.
So there! Don’t let the manhole hit your head on the way down buddy.
Now tighten those butt cheeks, yes sir, and walk off in a flaming huff!
It’s verbal structuring to obfuscate, protect the stash.
And it’s simplistic crap.
Now tighten those butt cheeks, yes sir, and walk off in a flaming huff!
Huh?
It’s verbal structuring to obfuscate, protect the stash.
Your point?
And it’s simplistic crap.
Yes it’s simplistic. And could be crap. But it’s pretty. See your a member of the partisan gang. Gotta win the point no matter what. So if it makes you feel good to talk about my butt cheeks (O…K…) then by all means, talk about ‘em. We need some humor around here.
And I’m a very “un-serious” guy by nature. So I like to have fun with my words.
So there squared!
T-Steel,
Has Obama speared his white grandparents yet?
Tomorrow is the spearing and cleaning. Saturday’s the roast. And Sunday is “Church with Rev. Wright-O”. We’ll use the bones from the roast to applaud each and every Wright-O word.
Cee Hussein -
Obama threw his white Granmother under the bus in an attempt to divert attention away from his anti-American relationship with Rev. Wrong.
He even changed the story from what was in his book about her being afraid of an aggressive beggar by a bus stop one time to her being afraid of black men on the street, just to make her sound worse.
The Obamas will use anyone for personal gain. They liked going to the biggest black church in Chicago and didn’t care if it was similar in content to the neighbors he hit Tony “The Fixer” Rezko up for - Louis Farakhan’s Nation of Islam hatefilled crap and William Ayers’ “I should have bombed more U.S. buildings.”
Kenwood, IL - home of the dangerous, land of the anti-American.
What is that word again?
“He who lives in a glass house shouldn’t throw stones”
What about ones with no heat or water?
Of course Obama is not a racist. But he and his groupies sure do know how to play the racism card.
Sean Wilentz, via the Taylor Marsh link, repeated in thread below.
http://tinyurl.com/e8czm
.. .. I described this pattern on February 27, accounting for how the Obama campaign has cleverly played what I called the “race-baiter card”–and yet blamed Hillary Clinton. These efforts, undertaken both by Obama’s own campaign and its boosters in the press, escalated after Clinton’s surprising win in New Hampshire and in the build-up to the South Carolina primary. To recount the ugliness: Obama–through his national co-chair, Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr.–accused Clinton of studied callousness toward the victims of Hurricane Katrina; his press supporters falsely ascribed her victory to racism among New Hampshire’s Democratic voters; the Obama campaign then went on to seize upon non-controversial and historically accurate statements by Bill and Hillary Clinton (as in the notorious Martin Luther King-Lyndon Johnson episode, fully discredited by Bill Moyers and others) and called them inflammatory race-baiting.
And that’s the problem with historic campaigns: everyone is wound tight for their guy and gal so all cards are played.
I cannot stand the charges of racism and/or sexism being thrown about like both candidates have said as much. It just plain sucks (which is why I’m a third party guy).
You are trying to discredit a very real issue.
Even if the candidates were to call a truce, and they can’t, (or Obama would have to drop out, he has no record, and once he stops, the press will go NUTZ on Rezko), the republicans would use the issue surreptitiously as they have in the past, to defeat attempts at addressing racism, and sexism, furthering using divide and conquer, as part of the “southern strategy” against democrats.
And this is where the road stops for republicans, they can’t think beyond this, they’ll keep going, subject to the law of diminishing returns, forever in a circle, getting smaller and smaller.
It’s not going away, we need to address the problems, and castigate those who would prey upon our differences to simply get elected.
You know, and then what?
Look at Bush and Cheney, it’s a mess, they’re simply treading water until they drown.
So, even, why?
It doesn’t work, long term, and even they don’t know what to do.
Now imagine using this SHIT overseas, in the middle east.
See the problem?
YOu simply become a tool.
Do you understand that?
FIRST I don’t discredit racism or sexism. But I just don’t see Senator Obama as this “sexism flinger”. I just don’t see it. And I don’t see Senator Clinton throwing race around. All I see is over-analysis and over-parsing OF EVERY SINGLE WORD from a candidate’s mouth. That’s a danger in itself when you may be reading something that isn’t there. That being said, I agree wholeheartedly in this statement by you:
It’s not going away, we need to address the problems, and castigate those who would prey upon our differences to simply get elected.
Bill Clinton isn’t a racist either but he sure knew how to use his friends Johnson and Jackson.
And Bill didn’t have a problem with Farrakhan either. He though the MMM was a good idea.
Where is the fake outrage and handwringing?
Uh, the Black leaders that Bill Clinton associated with were not asking us to damn our country. And the MMM itself was OK.
When I moved into a town once, I went to the church taht someone thought was good. During my first visit minister said, “Jews killed Jesus and let’s never forget that.” I walked out when they passed the plate and regret not standing up and walking out then and there.
If this guy isn’t OK with Obama, why has he stayed for 20 years???
I don’t give a damn why he stayed in his church for twenty years and it isn’t your business either!
I didn’t post this to condemn Clinton. I posted it to show how STUPID these religous, nationalistic purity tests are.
You people are starting to remind me of the Taliban!
The Taliban? And what would you know of the Taliban? Have you been in country to fight the Ghazis?
Salo,
It wasn’t long ago that the US and Iranians were on the same side fighting the Talbian.
Care to give us a history lesson?
Yeah, it is my business. He’s a member of Obama’s spiritual team (some quasi-official capacity). Obama makes it my business since he’s been running on kumbayah since the beginning. He’s gonna heal the country’s soul! And this guy’s gonna help! He’s the one who dragged the campaign away from real issues and benefitted by it. So, he made this bed - let him lie in it.
I was taken to a backwoods Tennessee church, once, and the first words out of the preacher’s mouth (who looked like olbermann, come to think about it) were “Hillary Clinton is a lesbain,” said within a greater smear of the Clintons, whom that evangelical crowd just hated, they, the right wing equvalent of Obama’s Jesus crew.
He then asked for donations, as he needed to buy a new suit.
The church of the poisoned mind, indeed…
I was repulsed.
…the right wing equvalent of Obama’s Jesus crew.
Wright’s Jesus crew. Don’t get it twisted.
C’mon simon. Fine, your a Clinton supporter and would rather file down your corneas than see Obama get the nomination. But at least be accurate.
Wright is Obama’s Jesus crew.
Stop playing so simplistically with semantics, it makes you vulnerable.
You don’t understand that, do you?
EXCUSE ME?
Bill Clinton isn’t a racist either but he sure knew how to use his friends Johnson and Jackson.
Do you have an iota of proof that Bill told them what to say? Johnson just runs his mouth off, it is clear.
You’re REALLLLLLLLLLLLLY stretching here, Cee. I realize you are short on facts and counter-arguments, but don’t make stuff up.
Susan,
No dear, I’m not the one short on facts, Admittedly, I use the arguments of the more committed Obama supporters to battle back against was passes for debate here since my choice is no longer in the race.
Have you forgotten that Hillary stood there while Johnson said that nonsense and didn’t utter a peep?
I don’t have proof (like you and this Rezko/Whitewater nonsense) that Clinton told Andrew what to do say, but I wasn’t born yesterday.
Clinton always calls on the brothas when he needs help.
Was it helpful to Hillary and Chelsea when Andrew Young said that Bill slept with more black woman than Hillary?
Remember when Bill called “Hymie Town” Jackson to the White House to pray with him and Hillary when the Lewinsky scandal became public?
I don’t know if Obama is a racist or not. He has been pretty careful to have someone else do most of his race-baiting for him. But, he does have a nasty habit of putting on an act, much like GWB does, where he tries to talk like he supposes his audience does. He demeans his southern audiences with all the “bamboozling” and “okie-dokie” and “hoodwinking” nonsense. Does anyone believe these are words he uses in normal conversation?
When he does that, he is talking down to his audience, just like Bush does when pretends no one West of the Mississippi can speak coherently. He cannot defend his record without resorting to this. Every time he is caught in a lie, he resorts to this crap. He does not trust his audience to listen to his explanation and follow his reasoning, so he starts with the “slang”.
Hillary Clinton never disrespects her audience in this way. No matter where she is, she speaks to people like they are intelligent citizens making an informed choice. She talks about issues that matter and she speaks to everyone the same. She does not ever treat her audience like they are too stupid to understand her reasoning.
Maybe Obama is not a racist, but he is an eiltist.
Hillary Clinton never disrespects her audience in this way.
Agreed. And Barack Obama doesn’t either. Can you point to where he disrespects his audience? Wow people. Yes Obama has a flimsy record, Rezco tied around him, and the Hopey-Dope but he’s doesn’t DISRESPECT his audience. I’ve been to Clinton and Obama rallies in Texas. They both did great with their audiences. I was impressed.
I felt his telling the audience in TX, “you need to have a book in the house, you cant give your kid cold Popeyes chicken for breakfast” I found that pretty disrespectful.
LOL! It’s the damn truth. You shouldn’t be giving your kids cold Popeye’s chicken for breakfast. That’s bad on the stomach in the morning. All that grease. Nasty.
The point is neither is a racist, and when Barack attacks HIllary by interpreting her as somehow racist (while denying that’s what he means) he opens himself to these comparisons. As a short term tactic it may sway voters to view her unfavorably, but he’s not thinking ahead. He needs to stop it, or these kinds of comparisons will come out and he’ll have little high road left to perch on. He needs to run on his positions and his record, and not on perceptions that he’s being unfairly targeted for something no one in our party cares about, but many in the opposition do or will pretend to do.
He was blasted at being the “Hope” dude. Guess he’s going to try to be the “Attack” dude. Let’s just face it, we are beyond positions now. We are firmly in the Twilight Zone now. And it’s going to get weirder and weirder until the convention (mercifully) puts and end to this Dem nomination process.
This is a lie, it’s quite easy to see what is happening.
For most of us, anyway.
Ah! Since I’m lying with my “Twilight Zone” reference, answer me this:
Why in a campaign season where two “firsts” are running for a nomination, that the supporters of the “firsts” feel the need attack each other over using the beauty of the “firsts” as a weapon?
The reason why I followed this campaign season is that I thought the two “firsts” would conduct an campaign much different than the norm. It was wonderful seeing a white woman and a black man running for a nomination. But I see it has degenerated into standard fare.
Oh well…
What’s ironic is that Obama’s efforts to get AAs riled up against Clinton will hurt him far far more in the long run for entirely non-racial reasons. Namely, the incessant drumbeat of “anti-America” crap (i.e., Michelle Obama’s pride in America) is red meat for the RWNM.
I expect the RWNM will mention this goofy racist pig of a pastor every single day Obama is still a Democratic candidate.
Oh, just another thought: I bet Obama will be so radioactive hereafter that there is no way Clinton could ever afford to have him as a VP candidate now. He held himself to such a high standard knowing all the time this slime was out there for someone to discover. Not only will he be radioactive but just clueless to boot!
some of the material, can be edited together in a devastating way:
Here’s the wife…here’s the preacher etc.
I suppose the same could theoretically be done with Clinton though. There’s plenty of old shit to dig up.
he’s not thinking …mmm there that “Boneheaded” thing again.
I agree.
Why would Obama continue to support this “church”. I’d like to know if he drops any of his taxpayer funded senate salary in the collection plate on Sunday.
I’m also curious about the connection between Obama, and Farrakhan, financially.
Rezko was involved with Elijah Muhammad’s son, and they were prosecuted for one deal, Rezko using Muhammad as a front to obtain minority contracts.
Muhammad also accuses Rezko of stealing property from him, I’ll find the link.
Rezko using Muhammad as a front to obtain minority contracts.
O’Hare International?
From http://www.hanania.com/profiles/Rezko06-08-05.htm:
But controversy soon erupted.
In 1997, Panda Express won the right to open a lucrative concession at O’Hare International Airport under the city’s Minority Set-Aside program which directs large contracts to companies owned by Women, African Americans or Hispanics.
The city awarded a 10-year contract for O’Hare Airport to Crucial Inc. in 1999, which the city believed was owned by an African American, Jabir Herbert Muhammad, the son of the late Elijah Mohammad.
Crucial Inc.’s annual revenues skyrocketed from under $200,000 in each year before opening at O’Hare, to nearly $6 million in 2002, according to recently published reports. Crucial Inc. has earned nearly $16 million in its first four years at the airport.
Last March, Chicago officials charged that Jabir Herbert Muhammad had acted as a front for the real owner, Rezko, who is of Syrian Arab heritage and does not qualify for minority set-asides.
According to Mayor Daley, Jabir Muhammad founded Crucial Inc. in 1976. It was certified as a minority business in 1989. Rezko had been involved with the company since 1983, serving as a vice president and general manager. In July 1997, the company’s minority status lapsed but the forms were not renewed.
Although Muhammad said he ran Crucial Inc., city officials said the company was run by Abdelhamid “Al” Chaib, and longtime friend and Rezko business associate.
Rezko later told the Chicago Tribune that he did not do anything wrong and is surprised by all the attention. Daley said the city’s investigation showed that Crucial Inc. should never have received the contract and should be stripped off its minority business certification.
Rezko’s clout grows
Crucial Inc. was also hired as a subcontractor to telephone giant SBC Communications, which received an exclusive deal to provide 1,000 pay phones for Cook County Government.
A spokesman for Stroger said County officials are investigating to determine whether or not Crucial Inc. still meets the county’s minority business criteria. Six of Rezko’s relatives have been placed on the Cook County payroll, according to published reports.
In state government, Rezko’s ties resulted in a prize greater that lucrative financial contracts. At least three of his associates were appointed to influential positions overseeing hiring, contracts and policy.
They include:
Former business partner Jack Lavin, named to Gov. Blagojevich’s cabinet as Director of the Illinois Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity. He served as Rezko’s former CFO. Lavin is an officer of Crucial Inc.
Winnetka Podiatrist Fortunee Massuda appointed by Blagojevich in 2003 to sit on the Illinois Health Facilities Planning Board. He is a partner in a real estate venture with Rezko.
Kelly King Dibble, a Rezko business associate, was named by Gov. Blagojevich as executive director of the Illinois Housing Development Authority.
Abdelhamid “Al” Chaib, vice president of Crucial Inc., is the sole owner of the Subway sandwich shops that have secured the rights to operate at seven of the State’s Tollway oases. Chaib also is a director of Rezko Concessions Inc., which is Rezko’s portion of the joint venture with Panda Express, state records show.
Already Rezko has become a target in the upcoming election campaign, Illinois State Treasurer Judy Baar Topinka has alleged that Rezko is a part of a “shadow government” pulling the strings in the Blagojevich administration.
Rezko has a long history of supporting Arab American causes. He made a significant donation to help establish the Ibn Rushd Lectureship in Arabic in 2002 at the University of Chicago. Rezko served as a former Executive Director to the Muhammad Ali Foundation. And, he was named “Entrepreneur of the Decade” by the Arab-American Business and Professional Association. The president and founder of ABPA is a generous and successful Chicago Arab American businessman and political adviser, Talat Othman.
Thanks for the link…Minority contract abuse it a common theme ..And how the “wild guess” it was at the airport before you returned with this link…
According to Mayor Daley, Jabir Muhammad founded Crucial Inc. in 1976.
I had only gone back to when BO graduated from “my school is better than your school” Harvard. What a ferris wheel…
Wilentz again on the fine art of victimology. Birkenstock liberals, pay attention. This is how its done.
http://tinyurl.com/2nrrjl
Reading Orlando Patterson’s op-ed in the New York Times, “The Red Phone in Black and White,” is a depressing experience. Not only does the piece scurrilously accuse Hillary Clinton’s campaign of cutting an ad that borrows from the filmmaker D.W. Griffith’s glorification of the Ku Klux Klan. Not only is this attack based on a Clinton advertisement about national security, not domestic policy (let alone race), that required a singularly tortured and biased “close reading” by Patterson to reach its conclusions. What is truly depressing is that the essay fits what has become a troubling and familiar pattern by the Obama campaign and its fervent supporters to inject racial politics on the eve of yet another Democratic primary in a Southern state, in this case Mississippi, where African-American voters are expected to vote in large numbers.
You sound like the republican version of Farrakhan.
Liberals arent the problem, stop laying blame, please, in a sideways attempt to bolster the old guy republican game.
But thanks for the insight.
This group is the same as kos, just as frightened, but a little slower.
Sorry, but you’re just as bad, every post I’ve read from you has blamed liberals, and that simply isn’t the case, you might as well be Iran blaming the great Satan, or white devils, or butt sucking demons with buns of steel who can’t write…
Thras,
Do you expect any of us to believe you aren’t a GOP flamethrower?
You know if Hillary or any other white Democrat belonged to a church like that, their career would be dead.
Hell even most GOPers couldn’t survive politically if they had associations that Obama has.
But Obama’s white upper class supporters ignore the blatant racism that the good reverend Wright promotes not to mention his friendship with the uber bigot and anti-semite Farrahkhan.
There is something really wrong with the activist class of the Democratic party when they throw their support behind a crass opportunist and race baiter like Obama despite baggage that would destroy any other politician.
Funny, you’re accusing Obama, and the radical black church, of being Cheney republicans, yet here we are, as Americans, making excuses for Cheney, while someone else excoriates liberals, and AA’s.
No thanks.
Do you understand what you’re doing?
Problem comprehending Simon?
Well I said nothing about Cheney nor made excuses for him and his ilk nor compared this loathsome bunch to the fools backing Obama.
Thats your doing.
Like I said Obama is getting a free pass because of political correctness and a Democratic activist class is composed of well-heeled ideologically driven bozos who hate Hillary so much, they decided to back someone who is unpalatable to much of the electorate in a bid destroy her presidential run.
The sad thing is, it will probably work and we’ll be stuck with McCain.
Right.
You dont understand what I said.
But you wanted to play.
simon, I think your head is overheated. take a break and have a cool one.
No thanks.
I’m having a good day, actually.
Nice try, though, ad hominem attack when IQ fails.
Old trick, and god, you’re boring.
Again, though, thanks for the insight.
And I don’t drink.
Hell even most GOPers couldn’t survive politically if they had associations that Obama has.
Well, except McCaca. He’s got TWO batshit crazy religious associates! First Hagee, and now this:
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
The wingnuts will actually like McCaca better for this, unfortunately.
So Michelle O’s comment that for the first time in her adult life she’s proud of her country, wasn’t a misunderstood gaffe. It’s a message she’s been hearing every Sunday.
Makes more sense now.
It occurs to me that the projection of “guilty of being white” (or any color) by Obama is a manisfestation of the guilt peached at his “chruch”.
To paraphrase the Late great Govenor Anne Richardson..
“Poor Obama and Michelle, they can’t help it…they were raised with a silver spoon…( of religious animosity) in their mouths.”
It’s time to stick a fork in Barack. He’s cooked….
Did I miss the discussion on this blog of the views of Pastor Hagee?
No discussion. They are saving Hagee for the GE. Can’t throw all your eggs in one basket!
Hey, if you going to take someone’s name, please spell it right; Hussein not Hussien. Or, perhaps you were trying for Hessian?
Your right! Always had problems with my “i” before “e” except after “c”.
Can everyone forgive me?
Sen. McCain is the presumptive GOP nominee. We have an active Democratic party race, and it is critical to vet Obama. You can’t tell me that Obama doesn’t agree with his pastor’s views of America…. especially since he is a long-time congregant who was married by Wright and had both his daughters baptized by Wright.
Such anti-American views will be used by the GOP constantly should Obama be the nominee. Those anti-American views could, all on their own, be the reason John McCain becomes president. (There’s also Obama’s light record, his flip-flops on Iraq, his lack of experience with CofC and military issues, and much more. Then there’s his cruel disregard for the thousands in his own state senate district who suffered as a direct result of Obama’s political fixer Tony Rezko — about which Taters wrote here last night, poignantly, in “The Deal Breaker” article (listed in the right margin).
Susan,
He said he didn’t agree. Hasn’t your minster ever said things that you don’t agree with?
I’ve said from the beginning (three months ago?)that the Clinton tactics will be the reason McCain will be the president.
I’ve seen nothing to change my mind.
He said he didn’t agree. Hasn’t your minster ever said things that you don’t agree with?
Obama has said that he tried many churches before he found a home at Trinity United. And once he found his home he sat and listened to Wright’s vile hatred for 20 years. Twenty years of that constitutes a bit more than a pastor saying a few things with which Obama might not have agreed. Twenty years without walking out on that sort of hatred might just be viewed by some objective persons as evidence of support for the Reverends blatantly racist commentary, don’t ya think, Cee?
Notice CEE did not answer one of Susan’s concerns, turning the issue to a positive for Obama, ie, ” he denounced.”
Flat out, it’s a technique to deflect the truth of the charges, and obfuscate Susan’s points.
Kinda feels like you’re speaking with your senile old Dad, doesn’t it?
Thank you. There’s nothing about Obama that our dear Cee won’t rationalize.
Fed up,
I didn’t even bother to watch the video because I give elderly people a pass.
I also give prisoners of war a pass so remember that in the GE.
Remember Marge Schott? Rev. Billy Grahm?
Both said very offensive things.
They all were shaped by THE PAST!
I haven’t seen any hate from Obama so don’t even try to say that his minister influenced him in that way.
And don’t say that Obama is a racist. That is the dumbest thing I’ve heard this year.
Have you forgotten that his mother is white and he was raised by his white grandparents?
Whew!
Just as Cee here Obama supporters continue to believe and vote for him with their eyes wide shut …
Cee, it is very troubling that you see nothing wrong with Jeremiah Wright’s comments for the last 20 years. That alone says speaks volumes.
You write :
What is this supposed to mean? This is either disingenuous at best… :
(1) Jeremiah Wright wasn’t born elderly and 20 years ago he was 40ish?
(2) With your argument you would give Pol Plot a pass as well…. Jeez….
What a lame excuse to justify Obama ’s tolerance of hate speech. You have to be one to stomach that….
Maybe the tea and apple pie were better at Trinity. I know that would sway me.
You heard it here first; if Sen. Obama is the nominee and loses to Sen. McCain it will be all Hillary’s fault. And Dean’s. And old people’s. And the MSM’s. And The Establishment’s. And racists’. And ours for not being the change we seek. And theirs for fearing change. And the sloths. And the fruitbats.
And every living thing under the sun but Sen. Obama and those connected to him.
He won’t have failed. We’ll all have failed him. Just like those folks in Chicago failed the goverment subsidized housing they were offered.
That was priceless! What a perfect summation of the Obama-osophy!
Oh my gosh! That WAS priceless. Especially this part:
You heard it here first; if Sen. Clinton is the nominee and loses to Sen. McCain it will be all Barack’s fault. And Dean’s. And old people’s. And the MSM’s. And The Establishment’s. And sexists’. And ours for not being the REAL change we seek. And theirs for fearing REAL change. And the sloths. And the fruitbats.
And every living thing under the sun but Sen. Clinton and those connected to him.
PRICELESS!!!
I’ve seen nothing to change my mind
One can not “change” something that is closed
Indy,
On this, and at this point, yeah.
Closed like a safe.
Hillary is going down and taking the democratic party down with her.
When I was married, my ex-husband wanted to try a different church. During the sermon, the preacher started in going on about how the Jews deserved the Holocaust. I took my three children and walked out halfway through the sermon. I made my husband walk home. My husband complained that I embarassed him, and I told my husband that I would not listen to that crap, and my children were not going to be associated with people like that. We never set foot in that church again.
I am not some kind of heroine. This is how you are supposed to react to hate. My Mom taught me that.
Obama did not walk out on his preachers sermon. He kept going back and listening to this preacher for 20 years and still would be if the old man hadn’t retired. His choice of chruch is as much an issue as Mitt Romney’s.
Yes! Yes! That’s why the talk of Barack’s superior “judgment” doesn’t hold water, not to mention his talk of “hope”. The totality of Rev’d Wright’s sermons on “hope” should be chilling to anyone with a clear mind.
That is exactly what people of principle do. If you don’t agree with something strongly you either attempt strenuously to change it or you take a hike. I applaud your moral integrity.
It’s like he hasn’t matured in some way yet, he lacks a political compass and lacks the moral compass to distance himself from this guy Wright, who probably had redeeming qualities at the beginning but went off the rails somewhere.
apishapa, well said..ya hit a nerve.
We a put a daughter in a “church” school…It was ok…she was doing well there until one night after 3 years we get a notice that our teenager would be “expelled” if she did not remove her “Myspace” profile at HOME. Mind you the director and the pastors kids had them too. No “hey do ya mind?” or “can we talk?” from the school. So my daughter ended up back in public schools. What makes religious “people” think they can dictate what goes on in one’s own home!?
Bottomline is, as an adult you have choices. If Obama chose to be involved with this church it is because he AGREED with it’s teachings.
When Peaching religion from a position of “I am a victim” of (name your insult) what ails me, there are no escapees. You can see this in OB personality. No sincerity of tolerance… the just the deep seated bigotry born of hate and all that flows from it…”Bush on the Couch” redux.
Apishapa — Damn! You nailed it! ” I am not some kind of heroine. This is how you are supposed to react to hate. My Mom taught me that.
Obama did not walk out on his preachers sermon. He kept going back and listening to this preacher for 20 years and still would be if the old man hadn’t retired.”
That was a perfect example of chronic poor judgment on the part of Obama.
I agree with the dude on many levels. YET if you are applying for the job of Commander in Cheif you should display a simple patriotism and expect the same from the people you surround yourself with.
What you want in a President is a clever clever person and a very carefully delivered ritual of leadership. The Anglican Church does have this problem.
Listening to some here it is clear that they just don’t get it or they are Obama lemmings and willingly to take the Democratic party right off a cliff. You are of course right that McCain and the Republicans will attack Obama on this. And frankly they should. I find all of it very reprehensible and as an American citizen I am outraged that we are even considering this man for our highest office. The stuff Wright said about 9/11 alone is enough to disqualify Obama for the Presidency in my book.
The excuse that he has said he didn’t agree with it and all that crap just doesn’t cut it with me. If the situation were reversed and a white candidate for the same office attended a church where they espoused KKK type viewpoints all hell would be breaking out throughout this country.
Do any of you believe for a minute that an excuse like this would be acceptable?
The double standards by which Obama supporters are requiring us to judge their candidate are not only astounding they are ridiculous. As Hillary famously once said: They require the willing suspension of disbelief.
Perhaps I am in the minority but I don’t believe that black racism is any different than white racism. It is all reprehensible and NONE of it is Christian.
willing suspension of disbelief…
Ice pick.
Flea,
CNN just showed a clip of the minister. I looked him up.
Yeah. Wright is a horrible person. LOL!
Libya to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, along with the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Mr. Wright said his visits implied no endorsement of their views.
Breaking bread must have been awkward.
Right on apishapa !! That’s exactly how Obama should have reacted to “hate speech”.
I say, you have more qualification for President based on your excellent judgment than him (who showed none).
His associations with Jeremiah Wright alone disqualified him as well in my book.
Fleaflicker: didn’t know about Hillary’s comment
Brilliant !! She is one smart lady.
simon,
Pay attention to the modifiers, dear boy. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Try it sometime
you don’t drink? lol! nothing?
You don’t understand what I’m saying.
It’s a very dangerous way to reveal yourself, and your lack of knowledge.
Do you understand?
You can’t fake it.
Obama and his toadies will distance themselves from Wright, blame HRC for the bad press, saturate the blogs with kool aid, but BO’s love mist is evaporating quickly.
The “Uniter” seems to have been inspired by the the rhetoric of anger and a diatribe of blame.
Patriotic Americans will not stand for this, not matter their race, religion or political affliation.
Mary Jo..
Patriotism can be exploited..We have seen how Bush has played that Card…How Hitler played that card..Patriotism…Loyalty..My Country..Right or Wrong..My Church..Right or Wrong..My Cause..Right or Wrong..Look at the World..look at the the JiHaddists..Look at People running to and FRO..looking for “Inspiration” and HOPE..
America can never Be and Example to anyone…Nor to The Reast of the World…unless we ONLY Stand upo for Our CONSTITUTION..Its Articles..Its Preamble..Our Bill of Rights..and End this Policy of Self Destruction ..and Stand UNITED as One People..WE THE PEOPLE…In Order to CREATE a More PERFECT UNION..
UNION….ONE PEOPLE UNITED..E. PLURIBUS UNUM..
This was supposed to be the Year The Democrats Made that Thier Message..and UNITED ~AMERICA..by Promising to UNDO all the damage of the Bush Administration..and promising the American people…That we will TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN FIRST..
No Matter The Race..Color..Creed..Sex..Status..or Wealth..
In Order to do that…The Democrat Leadership MUST Ignore the “HISSING SNAKES.”..of Racism..Sexism..Hatred..Division..Blaming Others..
and POLITICS as Usual..or the Temptation to Reasd the Speech Your Sponsors put in front of YOU..
Its NOT About Politics..Its about PEOPLE..
ALL OF US..
Patriotic Americans
Mary Jo (who loves Teddy Kennedy)
LOLOLOL! The ones Hillary is counting on? This could be why she supported an amendment to make burning the flag illegal.
So much for liberty.
It removed the topic from ballot initiatives in some places because she embraced it.
That forced some republicans to run on real issues and of course they started losing.
Mary Jo’s you nail it; that’s a perfect description.
I think Michelle expresses is his alter ego; she certainly shows a great deal of resentment.
TRASHYBUBOLOUS..
Simon knows his Modifiers..like the MSMS Modifier of Obviously ignoring all the COLD HARD FACTS about OBAMA ..and His Associates..I am disgusted with AYRAN NATION Thinking and what they Preach in thier “Church of Jesus Christ Christians..”..White Supremecy garbage..
No one should use any Church as a Cover for preaching
Racial hatred or discrimination..and Black churchs and Groups do the same thing..and Blame Whitey and the White establishment for all thier Problems..no matter how hard many white folks have worked ofr equality..
Thats got to end..and OBAMA should denounce all of it..There are many rich black Citizens out there who could be helping Black Citizens start Companys..clean up Nieghborhoods..get off drug abuse..etc..Why is oprah building schools in Africa..?? Why are they form Corporations to buy these slums and Improve them instead of Blaming White folks for everything..
The DAMN discrimination and sexism MUST end..
Both Obama and Hillary and thier Support Groups could do alot to Help HEAL..instead of being Led into anoth CIVIL WAR..
We ALL must be Careful of Manipulation..No matter Who we are..
This is EXACTLY what the ROVIANS Wanted..
Simon is one of the smartest Posters in here..I Like his comments..and Style..he makes you think..
Thank you, Patrick.
It’s mutual.
If this revelation does not do some serious damage to the Obama campaign there is something drastically wrong in the universe. Funniest part about it is that many of us have known about this for a long while and have been blogging about it to limited and often hostile audiences. But the truth is now out there for people that don’t read blogs. And I wonder just how the Democratic supporters of Obama are going to square these revelations with his “message of hope” and that new politics BS. How is someone like Ted Kennedy going to stand up with a straight face and say he supports Obama because he believes he can bring the country together?
When someone goes out of his way to demand that he is a Christian and uses the association with his pastor and his church as proof of it and then things like this surface, you really need to be questioning the authenticity of this audacity.
Obama’s candidacy has managed to not only split the Democratic party it has managed to undo the great strides we have made in the past 40 years toward achieving racial equality and equal opportunity.
For the good of our party and for the good of our nation I respectfully request that Senator Obama to withdraw from this race.
Flea “White devil” Flicker
Obama’s candidacy has managed to not only split the Democratic party it has managed to undo the great strides we have made in the past 40 years toward achieving racial equality and equal opportunity.
Flea “white devil” Flicker,
Say what? The Obama candidacy is a realization of the equality we all have been striving for.
Or so I thought.
If the Democratic party splits because of it, members of the GOP who have always said that blacks who vote for the democrats are on a plantation are correct.
Or so I thought…
Thoughts, likebook covers can be deceiving
realization of the equality…I am required to blow 20 red lights in his honor for this to happen?
Obama’s candidacy has managed to not only split the Democratic party it has managed to undo the great strides we have made in the past 40 years toward achieving racial equality and equal opportunity.
And that’s precisely the type of statement that is so asinine that an ass can pick it apart in nine seconds. The “great strides” will continue to be made because TIME is kicking the ass of racism and bigotry. No junior Senator’s presidential campaign has THE POWER to undo racial equality and equal opportunity. If anyone… ANYONE even so much as tries to make things the way they were between black and white, they will be flayed alive and burned at the stake. You give Senator Obama superpowers that does not exist and never did.
Nonsense.
The republicans erased how many years of gains with the abolishment of affirmative action ( (”we’re all equal, earn it on merit, and the rest of that crap, given schools aren’t equal, so some start out with a much greater advantage, one those in poor schools can never overcome to access the Ivy leagues, where all this non talent comes from, leaving the country with unequal representation, resulting in a, now wait for it, a BUSH CHENEY presidency, and more like them”) anyway, they will capitalize on this matter, too.
I have to say, I just don’t see how this isn’t going to be fatal to Obama’s campaign in the general election.
It’s his spiritual adviser. Obama’s connection to him couldn’t be deeper. These are the values the man preaches openly.
How do you recover from him saying “God Damn America”? Anne Coulter might as well have written his speech in a parody of a radical liberal.
Maybe there’s some way Obama could defuse this, but you combine it with Michelle’s lack of pride in our country, the flagpin thing, the failure to put his hand over his heart when the national anthem is played, and the fact that he’s running against an undeniable American military hero, and God does it look grim.
Well, good thing that Hillary is still within striking distance and didn’t get wiped out on March 4th. We can still nominate her after this huge buyer’s remorse.
Obama is a guaranteed loss in the general election and I think the superdelegates will make the right choice in the end.
It’s odd. I’ve thought the same thing from time to time.
Obama’s almost a rightwing cartoon of a liberal.
Preposterously close rhyming name with two people who have been America’s nemesis over the last 20 years…firebrand preacher for a spiritual advisor. But he’s also a polite Harvard-legacy-grad jet-setter and all around globetrotter. Combining every RW limosine cliche with all the other cliches.
It’s almost like Peggy Noonan dreamed him up in a politcal wet dream.
Seems a bit supernatural, all the coincidences… doesn’t it?
Senator Obama: The Supernatural Rightwing Cartoon of a Liberal.
And they say American ingenuity is dead! HA!
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If you walked into Church and heard any of this stuff, wouldn’t you turn and walk away?
Obama didn’t.
He didn’t have the good judgment to do that.
Instead he went back for more. For over twenty years he went back for more of this anti-white, anti-America hate speech.
Obama had this America hating racist perform his wedding ceremony and the Baptism of his children.
Obama stole the title for his book from this racist pig.
Obama calls this racist pig his mentor.
Obama sends his kids to Sunday school at this racist Church.
Now we know what was behind Michelle Obama’s words about finally being proud of America.
She was taught to hate America by this racist pig who is still a member of Obama’s campaign!
My best man at my wedding was a gang member who served 10 years in prison for gang related violence and drugs. And he’s the godfather of all my children. Come to mention it, he was just over here picking up the PC I fixed for him. Guess I’m tainted. Should I go scrub now? Will my kids be killers?!?! AAHH!!!
Rev. Wright = Racist Pig. If you can prove that Senator Obama harbors those sentiments, I’ll do your laundry for year (not the undies though).
“undies” ?? No offense T, but a guy says that?
” to be judged by the content of your character” and the character of those you hold close.
If you can prove that Senator Obama harbors those sentiments,
def
1) To give shelter to
2) To harbor ;To entertain or nourish (a specified thought or feeling)
HE DID NOT OBJECT after 20 years of attending …
so yea he DID, it was a business eh? SURE thing…
I say “undies” for comedic effect. And heck, having to talk a certain way all the time to judge one’s manhood is tired. I made alot of dude crap their undies with my ferocious blocks (former collegiate offensive tackle.. GO FERRIS STATE!).
Wonder if Senator Clinton has any shady characters in her past? She seems like such a wonderful woman and such. Shame if she would have some shady characters. But she such a nice lady.
This is a verbal smurf.
BTW, why do you think it worked so well for the old guy republicans, and not for Obama?
Have you analyzed it yet?
Do you see it as less effective, now, or not?
Just out of curiosity; are you running for office? Are you running to become the nominee for the Democratic party? Do you aspire to be the President of the United States?
Sorry, but anecdote from your life is not comparable to the situation at hand. I understand if your ego cannot handle the fact.
I know but it’s still fun to throw it out there. But if I was running for POTUS, guess that relationship would be fair game, right?
And I was thinking about running for Mayor in my smallish Michigan city of 18,000. With my wit and charm and message of bubbly hope-ish-ness, I can probably slide my way in there, being black and all. It should be a cinch!
If you were running for the Presidency of the United States, your association with this friend would damn sure come back to damage your candidacy. When you are reaching for the rarified air of high public office, your past associations are relevant in ways that they would not be for “mere mortals”. Just ask “Client# 9″
number 9…number 9…number 9…
Beatles. “White Album”
The Beatles - Number 9
HMM… So it would have to be proven that I wasn’t a gang member, committed no crime with said gang member, aided said gang member in any illegal activities, etc. Yep.
I’ll shoot for CEO instead. Can be rich, change the world with a product, and pay legislators to get your way.
Obama has cleasned himself of rev wright’s 9-11 sermon by saying he was there. The follow up question is have you been there since?
BTW, Rev Wright is the conducit to watch, Farranka,rezko, the nation of islam, iraq billionaire influences flows to Obama.
Mostest,
This is from a long article about Wright and Obama. This is kinda sad.
Reverend Wright is a child of the 60s, and he often expresses himself in that language of concern with institutional racism and the struggles the African-American community has gone through,” Mr. Obama said. “He analyzes public events in the context of race. I tend to look at them through the context of social justice and inequality.”
In March, Mr. Wright said in an interview that his family and some close associates were angry about the canceled address, for which they blamed Obama campaign advisers but that the situation was “not irreparable,” adding, “Several things need to happen to fix it.”
Asked if he and Mr. Wright had patched up their differences, Mr. Obama said: “Those are conversations between me and my pastor.”
Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.
“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”
That’s it, it’s fleshing out nicely.
And hopefully, with minimal damage to the greater AA community.
Racism is revolting, now, isn’t it?
Please Mr. Johnson,
Have you attacked MC Cain supporters Hagee and the other Mega-Churches for their hateful rhetoric. Senator Obama did distance himself from Farrakhan, why I don’t understand. I am an African-American. I don’t agree with the Minister opinion on a lot of things “Jew’s, Libya and the like”. I do agree with Minister Farrakhan on one important thing. Black America needs to stop blaming White America for our plight. Minister Farrakhan say we need to become educated and have a women keep their legs closed and not have children until married or when the can be raised properly. He says stop doing crime, from a Islamic principle of taking care of your community. That is where I agree with the Minister. I look to no Religious individual for how I am to vote or act. And neither does the Senator.
That being said, Do you really think that African Americans or Democrats in general are going to vote for 100 year McCain in the general. Keep up with the attacks on Senator Obama and you might lose the African American vote in the General if Hillary is the nominee. Stop calling him unqualified he had more experience than three former Democratic Presidents. We need to attack McCain and the repuglicans non-stop not each other. Senator Clinton cannot catch up in elected Delegates unless she gets 75% of the remaining delegates to be elected, that Ain’t going to happen. She needs to put the needs of the Party first. Republicans have a saying never attack another republican. That is the only Repuglican thing I like.
Abigbman
more experience than three former Democratic Presidents.
“Up in the sky, look! It’s a bird! It’s a plane! It’s Superman!”
Able to jump over a building in a single bound…
Is there any known cure?
a women keep their legs closed and not have children until married
What? Farrakhan is a AA Dr. Laura?
Tee
Do you have a problem with Minister Farrakhan, have you ever been to a meeting of the Nation of Islam? Have you ever met with a Moslem? Did you not hear of the million man march to stop the gang and other violence in the African American community organized by Minister Farrakhan and others? What is your knowledge of the Minister Wrights sermons other what has been reported by Fox spews the news. Why the vitriol against Senator Obama. If he is the nominee will you vote for him?
I’m asking because as a student I went to a synagogue, I went to a mosque, I went to an LDS meeting, I looked at Jehovah’s Witness and read their material. I am an agnostic but have studied many religious philosophies.
What is your problem with the Senator? Why are you calling him Superman? By the way I was an Edwards’s supporter until he wimped and dropped out.
Presidents Roosevelt, Wilson, Eisenhower, Carter, Kennedy all had less government executive experience than Senator Obama
Eisenhower ran DDay! Supreme commander Europe. Roosevelt was the mayor of NY and FDR was Navy Secretary long before he was President.
Kennedy was shot a few years into office and hi tenure was characterized by abortive military adventures. He was also sm=niffing around the national scene for a decade before he ran.
Wilson is something else. But he had his 14 points. Also the President of a University.
Obama’s a good campaigner.
Presidents Roosevelt, Wilson, Eisenhower, Carter, Kennedy?
I do not in anyway shape or form, target you your opinions etc. You are well under way with them and they are yours to keep.
I would agree that these are former Presidents and thats were any comparision ends.
“Minister Farrakhan” is a hate merchant.
I was a into Sufism as kid…at a beautiful church in Harlem. I have studied religions and am open minded regarding them. It is the violence of contradictions in what people aspire to and what their actions demonstrate that is the issue. I could not vote for BO under any circumstance save the Supremes, which I am very undecided about. Ask your self, regardless of which religion you pick, Where does it say it is OK to profit on the misery of others?
And then componding this, to then plead ignorance regarding the deprived circumstances of those you swore on oath to represent? No DEAL ./ Even as a meat eating Taoist, pleading ignorance is NOT acceptable. It is an out right lie when BO says this. How to I know he has lied? Because Obama covets. Ask your self what it is he does this with. Senator Barak Obama is an immoral human.
Have you ever met with a Moslem?
الله عرفت إلى كلّ الذي يعيش
(Hope I am Close as I am learning)
Tee
Have a good night with President McCain and a hundred year war in the Middle East.
Although I don’t particularly like Senator Obama, nobody is perfect, I prefer him to Hillary. But if Hillary was the nominee, I would hold my nose and vote for her.
I have no wish for a third Bush term and it’s and Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran McCain.
I guess in your world you have to be perfect and not make any errors.
I however live in the real world, and Barrack Obama is going to be the next President with or without your support.
I have lots of problems with Farrakhan: he is an anti-Semite and a bigot.
If Hillary Clinton had just won 12 primacaucases in a row, a majority of states, and the popular and delegate leads…would we be having this conversation?
Nope. Because Senator Clinton in DA BOMB!
Was that sexist?
OT, but I just saw at Riverdaughter that there is a compromise being floated on MI and FL so that MI delegates are split equally and FL delegates are seated, but at half the number.
This would net Hillary a gain of 19 votes and give Obama everything he asked for. It seems to be assumed that Hillary will fall all over this shitty deal and that it is up to Obama.
Absurd deal indeed… H. Dean is doing Obama’s bidding .
Reverend Wright is right! He hit the nail on the head!
As a nation we should be on our collective knees asking for forgiveness in regard to the way our ancestors treated, humiliated and committed genocide against Native Americans, African Americans and many many more including the Vietnamese and the Iraqi people. Our nation has caused a massive amount of death and destruction. That is the truth. The “damn” truth!
Kathleen; I hear you, but when we talk of guilt or responsibilty they are to different things.
As a baby is responsible for the sins of the Parent?
I seek forgiveness from know one.
Kathleen; I hear you, but when we talk of guilt or responsibilty they are two different things.
As a baby is responsible for the sins of the Parent?
I seek forgiveness from know one.
All we can do is move forward and not repeat the past. Should of, could of, would of doesn’t really work unless you have a time machine. If one of those exist, we are in SERIOUS trouble.
Jesus, MLK, Jr: Violence begots violence.
So why?
Nuff said.
Wolf Blitzer, CNN, is getting ready to play this Rev. Wright video! This is going to be a huge story. Obama’s toast.
You don’t spend 20 years at a church, listening to a preacher you don’t agree with. You also don’t ask that preacher you don’t agree with to perform your marriage ceremony and to baptize your 2 daughters.
Again
Why would he be toast, when McCain meets Falwell, Hagee and other preachers are not toast? Does the black guy have to be pure?
Why the double standard? And by the way, there is no way repeat no way I would ever vote for flip flop McCain. He dissed the right wing in 2000 now he is kissing their ass.
And what exactly is wrong with Minister Wright? Has he done are said something illegal. What happened to Free Speech, Freedom of Association, you know the Constitution. That little document prevents a religious test for office.
Those men, as despicable as they may be, do not have direct connections to terrorists, ala Obama, Auchi, and Rezko.
And every single day brings more information, READ other blogs, too, the conservative blogs, the foreign press, are writing this information, and they’re right, the information is there.
What are rezko’s Syrian connections, how does the baghdad-chicago-rezko-IL connection work?
We’ll find out.
Oh, and now, via rezkowatch.blogspot.com, Oakland County MI is now included, too, and Rep. Joe Knollenberg, via Auchi, and Obama.
Obama and Wright are very very tight. Should Obama become Pres. Jeremiah Wright will be a frequent visitor and guest in the WH. No doubt.
Some more info.
(1) The Obama campaign said in a statement, “Senator Obama is proud of his pastor and his church.”
(2) Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.
“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”
(3) “If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from,” says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, “just look at Jeremiah Wright.”
(4) In 2006 Obama &wife gave $60,307 to charity and that the largest single amount of that was to Trinity United Church of Christ for $22,500
BTW, something that noone out there reports on re. “tax returns”
Obama has released his 1040 for 2006 ONLY and this was just the form; no attachments were released. He didn’t release the 2007 one (yet). His tax return forms from all his time in the Senate are not available to the public either.
When Obama spokesperson, Bill Burton is asked about any pre-2006 or 2007 returns, he says he “will keep you posted.”
Some info. about his 2005 tax return: Michelle’s salary as an administrator at the “not-for-profit University of Chicago Hospitals” nearly tripled to $316,962, from $121,910 in 2005
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If you haven’t check also Fleaflicker’s post at NQ “Believing Obama is a worst case scenario” closely related to this.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/11/believing-obama-is-a-worst-case-scenario/
know anything about this? heard it on another blog:
Over at Msnbc, Olberman and several others are reportedly preparing a special on Hillary’s KKK affiliations
They plan to introduce the information that her grandfather on her mothers’s side was instrumental in its creation. The problem with releasing the story so far is the Grandfather is dead and so thee is no corroboration. but they are working on it.l
Olberman has put in a phone call to God.
But word has come back that she is angry at little Keithee and he may never, ever get it up again.
skmf,
LOL! Anything can happen now.
Nothing is off limits.
Not your church.
Your parents.
Your wife.
Your dog.
NOTHING!
Yep. We’re about to find out the Senator McCain cousin, six times removed and reversed, was leader of the great Wahahotomato Crusade, that committed genocide against the Fraggles. And those Fraggles never forget. And we shouldn’t either.
Damn that Senator!
who cares what Obama’s preacher said. My preacher, a good man ( and many like him) told me the end of the world was coming like next week.
that was 35 years ago.
Falwell and Robertson and Hagee blame the gays, lesbians, the abortionist, and particularly the “progressive secularist” for Katrina, 911, the plagues du-jour, yet fail to explain the fact that most of these ares effected ( except NYC) are IN THE BIBLE BELT filled with God fearing born again believers!!!!!! I defies logic…. but who needs that when you have blind faith in men.
I say to them worry about preachers words of hate , who cares what they have to say??? .it is STILL a free country to talk nonsense in..
much as i am right now.
ABC nighly news ran part of the first vidio, and cut it off when he was a bout to say the [n word] tonight.evening news
and they say bill clinton, who was in erie pa ,my town yesterday. that he was racist because he said ,obama was the same as jessy jackson….what is racist about that???
the ranting vidio, is to me a lot more racist.
Okay, so great, Obama’s connection to his old friend and former pastor could be a small liability in the general election — though it’s going to hard for the swiftboaters to point this out without undermining the notion that he’s a secret Muslim.
But here’s the problem — without a genuinely gigantic, completely unlikely groundswell, there is no way your candidate can win without undermining the will of the voters, and ruining the Democratic party, and also alienating an entire generation of new voters. At this point, a win for Hillary is an all but guaranteed win for John McCain. All you’re doing with pointless posts like this is making his job easier. Hope you’re happy.
though it’s going to hard for the swiftboaters to point this out without undermining the notion that he’s a secret Muslim.
Bob,
I forgot all about this. LOL! Thanks for the reminder.
‘Small’ liability?
Several of my friends watched the videos and they are totally disgusted. We are all immigrants, and the day of naturalization ceremony has been a moment of pride for us, all of us.
My soon-to-be-five-year-old daughter was playing on my side when I played the video, and she asked me “what’s wrong with him? why is he so angry?”
As usual another specious argument about “ruining” the party.
The Democratic party has been going to hell for years and doing a pretty good job of “ruining itself”. It cannot win elections. There is infighting and divisiveness within their powerbroker blocs.They’ve been cowardly about everything for the past 7 years.
Dean has behaved like an incompetent and has done nothing but encourage disenfranchisement for both Obama and Clinton voters, but because Obama is ahead on caucus counts, etc, why should he risk being fair when it could benefit Hillary?
The Democratic party always takes the most complicated and riven positions within their party. The planning on Dean’s part has been atrocious. The DNC and DLC along with 4 other democratic groups seeking party power have screwed this party for years.
As a registered democrat for almost 50 years, I will become an Independent as this party is not hardwired correctly.It’s DNA is seriously damaged.
I see the self-immolation that will occur as the infighting continues within the egomaniacs and their respective camps that is already all hanging out.Kennedy and Kerry have company.
The convention promises to be a sideshow of epic proportions, and Hillary is asked to step down now as there is no point, etc, etc. All the pressure coming from Obama’s delegates and hack surrogates on a roll of poison public relations is designed about the “rules” as a reason for acting like amateur asses.
Instead of creating an atmosphere of fairness without the ballyhoo or as Obama loves to say, “bamboozling”, this is an endless dialogue of divisiveness and bias. Bamboozling as Malcolm X said, is another way of Whitey cheating you. Sure.
I feel sorry for Obama’s kids. They’re going to walk around with a huge chip on their shoulders and a instilled hatred of AmeriKKKa, as Mr. Wright likes to say.
I feel sorry for Obama’s kids. They’re going to walk around with a huge chip on their shoulders and a instilled hatred of AmeriKKKa, as Mr. Wright likes to say.
YEAH RIGHT! You feel about as sorry for Obama’s children as you do stepping on a flea. Just come out a say that Senator Obama has hatred of AmeriKKKa and has it in for “Whitey”.
Why ya have to bring in the kids? FOR SHAME!
I don’t think Obama supporters understand what an emotional nuclear bomb this pastor/his church is going to quickly become. It’s not racist to say that generation after generation of black people have rejected education and continue to improve themselves. Their culture glorifies thugs, dropping out of school, drugs, out-of-wedlock children, and they seemingly see everything in terms of race. The latter has long been their own self-inflicted handicap.
If Clinton wanted to run with this pastor Rove-style, Obama would be finished in politics by next week.
Obama gets political advice from Wright as well:
“What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,” Obama said. “He’s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that’s involved in national politics.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/profiles/chi-070121-relig_wright,0,5184608.story?page=1
Not only was Obama married at the church, and his children were baptized there–
OBAMA WAS BAPTIZED THERE.
Some ‘old uncle he doesn’t pay attention to”–
“crazy Uncle”
PLEASE– this is his mentor, and spiritual and POLITICAL advisor for 20 years.
In 2006, the Obama’s tithed $22,500 to the church.
Wright is best buddies with Farrakhan with whom he went to Libya in 1984. Wright advocates the “Black Value System”–including divesting from ISRAEL to support “our muslim black brethren’
Check out the nice things he had to say about Natalie Holloway.
Barack Obama doesn’t think this guy is a racist? PLEASE!
And the media has KNOWN ABOUT THIS AND REPORTED NOTHING–FOR 6 MONTHS!!!
The media is terrified of being called racist, of having black power come after them, and losing business. Malcolm X is alive and well.
Listen, wise up. Women are easier to throw under the bus. There are no penalties for trashing,killing,raping,torturing,starving,circumsizing,enslaving sexually,controlling women’s bodies,keeping them the Second Sex exists in all religions, all countries, and we see that women have become expendables.
Also we must face the enormous lack of respect the media shows women, and we have watched the feminist movement with the exception of older women…abandon Hillary.
Younger women will not admit this but several things are responsible for their defection to Obama and not voting in their interest, as Blacks are certainly doing.
First, women have a need to please men and even the most emancipated women allow men and mens values to control them. Roe vs Wade is set to disappear as the younger women have been politically disengaged, and their is no connection between older feminists and young women.
If it took 50 more years for us to get the vote, this kind of response from women insures that they will be dominated by men and male values in America probably for at least 50 more years.
Feminism is in a state of neglect without real leadership. The few who write for The Nation, etc., are not interested in seeing Hillary elected.
They have bought a story from a man who has spent 20 years in a racist sexist church which is led by an admirer of Louis Farrakhan, one of america’s leading anti semites and anarchists,and devotees of the Nation of Islam. Obama has been “trained” at this church and donated heavily to it.
Reverend Wright preaches hate against Israel, women, gays,9/11,and whiteHate. At the least. Yet younger white women, many whose mothers and relatives are feminists see no reason to vote their interest. The reason? They are detached from any real awareness of sexism, and prefer not to know about it or deal with it.
They have failed to use normal inquiry when choosing between Clinton and Obama, and frankly find being an Obamaton “CHIC”. It’s the in thing.
Feminism is dying out as the older leadership is unable to renew a spirited response to an election that would elect the first woman president.
Women as we know, are still abused,beaten, and abandoned on a daily basis by men. They fear men, but the sadomasochistic dialogue is the subtext that governs their lives nevertheless.
Any attempt to change their awareness with regard to this election or to seek alternative ways of dealing with the deep sexism we are witnessing…is denied. Any attempt to mobilize women to reject submissive behavior has failed.
Unless a new kind of feminism derives from these events, women are destined to be ruled by men in ways that offer them little in the way of freedom over their bodies, their souls, their self respect, and their equality in the workplace.
Catering to men and “getting the guy” are still paramount to the young and not so young women who continue to disfigure themselves and risk their health with breast implants and other drastic measures taken to insure their culturally robotic “desirability”.
So is it any wonder that an ex jock sportscaster like Keith Olberman who thinks he’s Ed Murrow has allowed himself to swill in the cesspool of sexism? It’s ok today because a woman dares to think she can be the leader of the free world.
Mind you, how dare Hillary when we have an orator/messenger whose mentor Rev Wright tells us along with all of his bias and hate that Obama is actually Jesus come back. Yep, he said that.
How this church keeps its tax free status is a mystery as it trashes America,Whites,Hillary, and the intensity of venom delivered in these rants instructs those like Keith Olbermann to sink to the sewer as we have seen on MSNBC.
The Media is complicit in furthering the sexist divide, and Camp Obama gets away with outrageous sexism and lies that enable his camp to actually engage the Media as partners in his campaign.
This is all deeply troubling. There is no penalty for harming and denigrating women publicly over and over again.
I disagree.
Spega, do you have a source on Obama being baptized there? One of the biggest things talked about at churches in my area (Texas) was that Obama was never baptized. He doesn’t write about it in either book. He writes about feeling comfortable and deciding he’s a member of the church. But no baptism is mentioned and this was a big deal in my area leading up to the primary last week.
Baptism would be a matter of church and/or public records. Look at Chicago Sun Times..www.suntimes.com
eddie, his kids were baptized there by the rev he was also married in this church by the rev
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Welcome to Zimbabwe!
I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS PASTOR! OBAMA YOU HAVE BEEN GOING TO THIS CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS LISTENING TO THIS CRAP? YOU HAVE YOUR CHILDREN SIT AND LISTEN TO A MAN LIKE THIS? A MAN OF HATE? ANTI-WHITE AND ANTI-AMERICA! YOU WILL NEVER GET MY VOTE!!!!!!!!!
Pastor Wright is dead wrong. Believe it! He hates America, the Jews, and whites. Obama is phony because he expects us to believe he doesn’t agree with his pastor while telling us how fond he is of his pastor! If that isn’t talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time then what is it? Obama is shrewd but he doesn’t have me fooled and he doesn’t have you fooled. I’m with you on this P.J. GOD BLESS AMERICA and GOD DAMN PASTOR/REV. WRIGHT!!!
after 20 years of being brainedwashed by this racist hate monger how can he not believe the same as the rev you can’t teach an old dog new tricks!!
I totally agree with you. Brainwashed like he is doing to his followers!
True you can’t teach an old dog new tricks but he’s the presidential candidate who introduced the new tricks. Which are, no more old Washington, transparency, hope, and most importantly changing people’s mindset. I see those as new positive goals and it’s America who represent the old dog because we refuse to change and instead indulge dirty politics, just keep your eyes on Hillary’s camp and you will see their manipulation tactics and backstabbing. Don’t let the media define who the old dog is because their one themselves. For they bark spin and propaganda and last and certainly least truth. Obama is not the Pastor. He is a uniter, he is change, bc he is different, and not all difference’s are good but he depicts better character than Hillary.
barack was raised a muslum until early 80’s then reached out to the rev and became a ” christian”
its a shame the media loves obama so much! he can do no wrong, but hillary or mccain say or do anything the media is all over them! obama is a very scary man!
This is absurd. So much that its humorous to me. Dont be fooled people. Dont be ignorant. Joe scarborough has a political agenda. Hes anti obama. His whole mission is to fool people who dont think for themselves. You cant trust the media but so much bc their bias. Joe is one of them, he is old washington this guy said he respects Hillary Clinton for her insidious plans on trying to win bc he would do it too, but he wouldnt do it as good as her= His own words on the morning show, except for the insidious plans= But its true. She is divisive. She segregates people and obama unites. She is hurting her own party and she doesnt event care bc she will do anything to win how can you respect someone like that. That is why there will be no dream ticket. Because you cant backstab someone to get votes and then say im sorry can i be your VP. Every man is responsible for his own actions. So why denigrate obama for what another grown man say’s =Pastor. The spin starts with Joe Scarborough, Get out of silly season, and Wake Up and seek the TRUTH.
Brent,
You are under hypnosis. Snap out of it! If Obama appeared on live t.v. and ate a dead rat while reciting the Lord’s prayer backwards, you would find a way to rationalize it.
Please ask yourself why it is so important to you that this guy become president?
There is some subconscious mania at work here with many Obama supporters. They seem to be projecting their own aspirations onto Obama. Obama does not share your aspirations, he has his own agenda and it is a personal one.
The best that one can hope for in a candidate is that he/she will be open to some of your concerns. They will not make your dreams come true.
Grow up for crying out loud!
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This is not a story about pastor Wright. This really brings into question Obama’s judgement and character. He’s been a member of this racist pastor’s congregation for many years and he’s just NOW realizing he’s been spiritually instructed by a racist. Is this the kind of “change” Obama is going to bring? I think Obama’s recent comments denouncing Wright are the statements of a politician making moves to distance himself from his own controversy. And no wonder Michelle Obama’s never been proud of her country before - she too is following the black equivelant of a KKK religious leader.
Rev. Wright damns America so why doesn’t he go to Africa ? That is where he swears his allegiance! Since Rev. Wright hates America and can’t respect America I say, “DAMN REV. WRIGHT and good riddance to him!!!” Obama is a phony. If he respects Rev. Wright then he agrees with Rev. Wright. The fact is Rev. Wright is a hate monger. He hates the Jews. Wright supports another hate monger, Farrakahn, who also hates the Jews. Obama says his campaign isn’t about race but that’s all his campaign people do is stir-up crap about race!!! I hope McCain wins because he isn’t afraid to talk about the important issues even if I don’t agree with him on the illegal alien issue. Another thing, how can Rev. Wright call himself a Christian if he hates the Jews? That makes Rev. Wright a phony Christian!!!
The real question you should ask is: “why in the hell didn’t this info about Rev. Wright surface months ago when it could have changed the outcome of the Iowa primary?”
This is the real story, folks.
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Obama has to cheat on his wife. She looks like a Harlem Globetrotter. McCain/Palin….08
all my comment about the good appreciation to the president of America and his good caring helps that he has done to my country ghana .
am a head pastor of a church about 70 candidate and about 80% of the members are unemployed why because some are sicks and some also disable .
all my appealing is that i have plan all my vision to helps all this people in the church but at the point in time ,i can see that everybody in this world needs everybody.
i want accommodation for some this people and also for the church so that i get a place to helps this people to recover their freedom , but we are serving in a hired school room which is not comfortable for my thinking to helps all this people.
so as father to all nation i want sponsors to come to our aid .