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	<title>Comments on: Shelby Steele: Obama the Bargainer</title>
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		<title>By: Cocoa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/21/shelby-steele-obama-the-bargainer/comment-page-1/#comment-1007887</link>
		<dc:creator>Cocoa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look at this now after the election and am glad that the points were raised. Steele gave Obama a chance to address these better by the time the election came. He was more specific than he had been initially. Sometimes our critics can be our best allies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I look at this now after the election and am glad that the points were raised. Steele gave Obama a chance to address these better by the time the election came. He was more specific than he had been initially. Sometimes our critics can be our best allies.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Goldberg: Obama the Postmodernist &#171; Indistinct Union</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/21/shelby-steele-obama-the-bargainer/comment-page-1/#comment-531822</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Goldberg: Obama the Postmodernist &#171; Indistinct Union</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when the guy can&#8217;t shut up about how much he loves America. Again, I thought the conservative talking point was that Obama was a &#8220;bargainer&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when the guy can&#8217;t shut up about how much he loves America. Again, I thought the conservative talking point was that Obama was a &#8220;bargainer&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/21/shelby-steele-obama-the-bargainer/comment-page-1/#comment-166902</link>
		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I went to your link.

If Obama wants us to deal with race like he said in his speech, then black folks are going to have to deal with it too amongst ourselves. All that degrading talk targeted at blacks like Magic Johnson because he supports Hillary, is also out of line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I went to your link.</p>
<p>If Obama wants us to deal with race like he said in his speech, then black folks are going to have to deal with it too amongst ourselves. All that degrading talk targeted at blacks like Magic Johnson because he supports Hillary, is also out of line.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/21/shelby-steele-obama-the-bargainer/comment-page-1/#comment-166900</link>
		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HUH???????

I don't care for Shelby Steele's politics. And I'm in no position nor do I care to judge his scholarly credentials. But when he speaks about Obama his is speaking from his own experience as the product of an interracial marriage. Shelby, like Obama is biracial. Both have white mothers. Shelby, unlike Obama, was not abandoned by his father. 

His particular insight into Obama's psyche offers a perspective unavailable to people who are not biracial as well as for those who've never had intimate relationships with the offspring of such unions. My BFF is biracial and I can tell you, as an AA, having grown up with her and her family and watched her develop from childhood, I can say firsthand that the biracial person has a distinct and unique road to travel in this society. Obama having been abandoned by his black Kenyan father and raised by his white mother and her parents, was deprived of the ethnic identity that he must own in a society that views one drop of blood sullies  Caucasaian identity. How exactly does a black man grow up without having forged any intimate or personal relationships within in the black community until he reaches adulthood when a large portion of attitudes, habits and opinions have already been formed? 

We are looking at the result and he's running for president. He runs as someone who has transcended race yet plays the race card at every turn, claiming Hillary and Bill Clinton have been trying to illegitimize his candidacy by pegging him as a black candidate. Then his minister is revealed to be a fiery rhetorical black militant and Obama is pulled down to earth and now  must ask why if he had transcended race, why did he hang out in a church with a minister like this whose views offend many Americans? Steele very accurately explains the reason why.

You may not like Shelby Steele. I may not like him either. But that doesn't make him wrong. In this case, his analysis is a home run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HUH???????</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care for Shelby Steele&#8217;s politics. And I&#8217;m in no position nor do I care to judge his scholarly credentials. But when he speaks about Obama his is speaking from his own experience as the product of an interracial marriage. Shelby, like Obama is biracial. Both have white mothers. Shelby, unlike Obama, was not abandoned by his father. </p>
<p>His particular insight into Obama&#8217;s psyche offers a perspective unavailable to people who are not biracial as well as for those who&#8217;ve never had intimate relationships with the offspring of such unions. My BFF is biracial and I can tell you, as an AA, having grown up with her and her family and watched her develop from childhood, I can say firsthand that the biracial person has a distinct and unique road to travel in this society. Obama having been abandoned by his black Kenyan father and raised by his white mother and her parents, was deprived of the ethnic identity that he must own in a society that views one drop of blood sullies  Caucasaian identity. How exactly does a black man grow up without having forged any intimate or personal relationships within in the black community until he reaches adulthood when a large portion of attitudes, habits and opinions have already been formed? </p>
<p>We are looking at the result and he&#8217;s running for president. He runs as someone who has transcended race yet plays the race card at every turn, claiming Hillary and Bill Clinton have been trying to illegitimize his candidacy by pegging him as a black candidate. Then his minister is revealed to be a fiery rhetorical black militant and Obama is pulled down to earth and now  must ask why if he had transcended race, why did he hang out in a church with a minister like this whose views offend many Americans? Steele very accurately explains the reason why.</p>
<p>You may not like Shelby Steele. I may not like him either. But that doesn&#8217;t make him wrong. In this case, his analysis is a home run.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/21/shelby-steele-obama-the-bargainer/comment-page-1/#comment-166864</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a "new name" for Mr. Shelby Steele:  "Race Card Pimp."  He is top "hound dog" catcher in the "white supremacist" chase:  "Run, Nigger, Run!"  Who is "pimpologist" Shelby, really?  The original Newfoundland "bargianer," you say?  Whatever this dunce is got him on your youTube and you all walking to the bank with your news and information "tricknology."  What a joke.  Shelby.  One more name for "The Laughing Race Card Policeman," if you may.
This so-called "public intellectual" is a public disgrace and should be an insult to one's decency and intellectual integrity.  To reach such a "studied opinion" stage of development and awareness, you all need scholarship and not Shelby's asinine, "black conservative" rant; so, please, do a google search by entering exactly:
subliminal racism ... manichean letmotif

My 1980 UCSD dissertation, "The Manichean Leitmotif," cracked the racist code in the language; from this work I coined the term "subliminal racism."  Visit my website for article on the HRC-BO Race Card Event.  RE "Shop Talk" by Jive Turkey at:
http://www.subliminalracism.com/G5SubscribersClub-JiveTurkey.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a &#8220;new name&#8221; for Mr. Shelby Steele:  &#8220;Race Card Pimp.&#8221;  He is top &#8220;hound dog&#8221; catcher in the &#8220;white supremacist&#8221; chase:  &#8220;Run, Nigger, Run!&#8221;  Who is &#8220;pimpologist&#8221; Shelby, really?  The original Newfoundland &#8220;bargianer,&#8221; you say?  Whatever this dunce is got him on your youTube and you all walking to the bank with your news and information &#8220;tricknology.&#8221;  What a joke.  Shelby.  One more name for &#8220;The Laughing Race Card Policeman,&#8221; if you may.<br />
This so-called &#8220;public intellectual&#8221; is a public disgrace and should be an insult to one&#8217;s decency and intellectual integrity.  To reach such a &#8220;studied opinion&#8221; stage of development and awareness, you all need scholarship and not Shelby&#8217;s asinine, &#8220;black conservative&#8221; rant; so, please, do a google search by entering exactly:<br />
subliminal racism &#8230; manichean letmotif</p>
<p>My 1980 UCSD dissertation, &#8220;The Manichean Leitmotif,&#8221; cracked the racist code in the language; from this work I coined the term &#8220;subliminal racism.&#8221;  Visit my website for article on the HRC-BO Race Card Event.  RE &#8220;Shop Talk&#8221; by Jive Turkey at:<br />
<a href="http://www.subliminalracism.com/G5SubscribersClub-JiveTurkey.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.subliminalracism.com/G5SubscribersClub-JiveTurkey.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: QuietOne</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/21/shelby-steele-obama-the-bargainer/comment-page-1/#comment-165871</link>
		<dc:creator>QuietOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was pretty specific.  You should leave the issue alone because of the way you discuss it, not because I would ever tell anyone to "shut up" as you put it. Did you bother to read what I wrote? Here is the last part again:

"What makes an African American authentic?

This whole issue just shows how tied up in knots we still are over race. Shelby Steele makes his fame categorizing African Americans while rightly denouncing the use of categories for people. Obama attends a black nationalist church for 20 years then tries to run a race neutral campaign, then uses racist language against whites to explain his racial explanation. People on this blog use racist language to discuss Obama’s racial hypocrisy and explain their own racial tolerance while complaining about being called racist for leveling mostly legitimate and accurate criticism against Obama but with racist overtones and assumptions. I think you, Susan UnPC, and Larry J. should just leave the issue of race alone for now and concentrate on economic and international issues in the campaign."

Maybe I should have added that if Obama can't discuss race without referring to a "typical white person" then he needs to leave it alone, too.

Also, how do you defend Steele's 2 categories for African Americans? I don't put people of any race into categories like that?  Do you have a category for yourself or Caucasian Americans or just African Americans?

One final irony in light of your statement:
"This is the usual Obama campaign tactic. Obama supporters can talk about race but no one else can because it is racist. It any one gets near the truth yell “racism” to shut everyone up. Manipulation through guilt eventually backfires. Some of us choose not to be manipulated any longer. The proprietor of this blog can discuss anything they bloody want to."

I started reading this blog and was proudly recommending it to other African Americans supporting Obama and 2 Caucasian Americans (1 Clinton supporter and 1 unknown) because I was considering switching to Clinton and wanted to discuss the issues raised here with my friends.  The issues raised are not any less potent, but there are racist attitudes and assumptions displayed here in presenting them. You can't hide behind the fig leaf that somehow you are being accused of being racist just because you level justifiable criticism against Obama.  That is not the case.  Nor is any discussion of race or racism racist. The ultimate irony is that this blog was making good headway before turning to racist stereotyping - dividing blacks, per Shelby Steele's world view, into 2 "types" like breeds of animals or inanimate objects - to attack Obama. As Simon says below, and as I said in a different way, it just shows how "dicey" the issue is.  People on this blog went from being clear-headed, fact driven critics in a sea of drivel, to being actively racist, with new categories for their readers and supporters if, and only if, they are African American.  What an unnecessary waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pretty specific.  You should leave the issue alone because of the way you discuss it, not because I would ever tell anyone to &#8220;shut up&#8221; as you put it. Did you bother to read what I wrote? Here is the last part again:</p>
<p>&#8220;What makes an African American authentic?</p>
<p>This whole issue just shows how tied up in knots we still are over race. Shelby Steele makes his fame categorizing African Americans while rightly denouncing the use of categories for people. Obama attends a black nationalist church for 20 years then tries to run a race neutral campaign, then uses racist language against whites to explain his racial explanation. People on this blog use racist language to discuss Obama’s racial hypocrisy and explain their own racial tolerance while complaining about being called racist for leveling mostly legitimate and accurate criticism against Obama but with racist overtones and assumptions. I think you, Susan UnPC, and Larry J. should just leave the issue of race alone for now and concentrate on economic and international issues in the campaign.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe I should have added that if Obama can&#8217;t discuss race without referring to a &#8220;typical white person&#8221; then he needs to leave it alone, too.</p>
<p>Also, how do you defend Steele&#8217;s 2 categories for African Americans? I don&#8217;t put people of any race into categories like that?  Do you have a category for yourself or Caucasian Americans or just African Americans?</p>
<p>One final irony in light of your statement:<br />
&#8220;This is the usual Obama campaign tactic. Obama supporters can talk about race but no one else can because it is racist. It any one gets near the truth yell “racism” to shut everyone up. Manipulation through guilt eventually backfires. Some of us choose not to be manipulated any longer. The proprietor of this blog can discuss anything they bloody want to.&#8221;</p>
<p>I started reading this blog and was proudly recommending it to other African Americans supporting Obama and 2 Caucasian Americans (1 Clinton supporter and 1 unknown) because I was considering switching to Clinton and wanted to discuss the issues raised here with my friends.  The issues raised are not any less potent, but there are racist attitudes and assumptions displayed here in presenting them. You can&#8217;t hide behind the fig leaf that somehow you are being accused of being racist just because you level justifiable criticism against Obama.  That is not the case.  Nor is any discussion of race or racism racist. The ultimate irony is that this blog was making good headway before turning to racist stereotyping - dividing blacks, per Shelby Steele&#8217;s world view, into 2 &#8220;types&#8221; like breeds of animals or inanimate objects - to attack Obama. As Simon says below, and as I said in a different way, it just shows how &#8220;dicey&#8221; the issue is.  People on this blog went from being clear-headed, fact driven critics in a sea of drivel, to being actively racist, with new categories for their readers and supporters if, and only if, they are African American.  What an unnecessary waste.</p>
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		<title>By: buckskin711</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/21/shelby-steele-obama-the-bargainer/comment-page-1/#comment-164854</link>
		<dc:creator>buckskin711</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from obama and wrights church : A CONGREGATION WITH A NON-NEGOTIABLE COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. does obama agree or disagree with this doctrine of the trinity united church of christ ? as a sitting u.s. senator does obama swear alligence to america or africa ? fair question ? could be a disturbing answear if anybody had the guts to ask that slippery eel, obama.....impeach obama 08. obama practices in un-american activities in that church...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from obama and wrights church : A CONGREGATION WITH A NON-NEGOTIABLE COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. does obama agree or disagree with this doctrine of the trinity united church of christ ? as a sitting u.s. senator does obama swear alligence to america or africa ? fair question ? could be a disturbing answear if anybody had the guts to ask that slippery eel, obama&#8230;..impeach obama 08. obama practices in un-american activities in that church&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
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		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is the one who played the race card and continues to do so.

First, Obama–through his national co-chair, Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr.–accused Clinton of studied callousness toward the victims of Hurricane Katrina; 

then his press supporters with a push from Obama's campaign falsely ascribed her victory to racism among New Hampshire’s Democratic voters; 

next, the Obama campaign  seized upon non-controversial and historically accurate statements about LBJ.......then the fairy tale and Jesse Jackson comments by Bill Clinton taken all out of context, to list just a few

Of course Obama is not a racist. But he and his groupies sure do know how to play the racism card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is the one who played the race card and continues to do so.</p>
<p>First, Obama–through his national co-chair, Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr.–accused Clinton of studied callousness toward the victims of Hurricane Katrina; </p>
<p>then his press supporters with a push from Obama&#8217;s campaign falsely ascribed her victory to racism among New Hampshire’s Democratic voters; </p>
<p>next, the Obama campaign  seized upon non-controversial and historically accurate statements about LBJ&#8230;&#8230;.then the fairy tale and Jesse Jackson comments by Bill Clinton taken all out of context, to list just a few</p>
<p>Of course Obama is not a racist. But he and his groupies sure do know how to play the racism card.</p>
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		<title>By: Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Steele's article is absolutely brilliant. This is truly the most psychologically, sophisticated op-ed written on Obama's speech that I've read thus far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Steele&#8217;s article is absolutely brilliant. This is truly the most psychologically, sophisticated op-ed written on Obama&#8217;s speech that I&#8217;ve read thus far.</p>
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		<title>By: Northwest rain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northwest rain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Obama who played the race card -- stop lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Obama who played the race card &#8212; stop lying.</p>
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