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	<title>Comments on: Shelby Steele on CNN&#8217;s Lou Dobbs</title>
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		<title>By: Hillary&#8217;s Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillary&#8217;s Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it comes out in the wrong way.&#8221; You get grief when you dare to criticize The One.  Oh, and Shelby Steele reminds us that Jesse Jackson, Sr. once said that he, too, crosses the street when he sees young black men.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it comes out in the wrong way.&#8221; You get grief when you dare to criticize The One.  Oh, and Shelby Steele reminds us that Jesse Jackson, Sr. once said that he, too, crosses the street when he sees young black men.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: norrismorris</title>
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		<dc:creator>norrismorris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unquestionably there is a power struggle in the Democratic Party but it is so nuclear that there is no way out for their immolation.

Obama has already antagonized a good part of the white indies and others with his race baiting talk.  Many feel more than uncomfortable, and this is enough to keep them away from the polls.

The young hysterical Obamatons,lefties,and deluded are his  base, but that cannot elect him. Many Hillary women will stay home or go McCain. Trust me, I've been hearing this for days from my fellow women friends.

His behavior regarding Wright and his race bait grandmother speech was lauded by the cowed and ridiculous media, but many voters have turned off as the polls are beginning to show.

You can expect more from his 1000 blog empire to keep up the noise on the internet as they spew Hillary Hate and praise their idol.

Fundamentally if Obama does somehow get elected, we will see America as a third world country. And no, I'm not a paranoid right winger.

He is a fraud who is manipulated by the Black Power establishment, and Wright is only one small part of this equation.. The Black Panther Party has been running ads on Obama's website. It's been scrubbed several times, and they've been told to lay low.

The Democratic Party is boxed in. No representation from Fla or MI is only a part of the anger and discontent we will see.

Pelosi practically anounced last Sunday that this will all be over soon and certainly, it's OBAMA, as it's a delegate count thing you dopes.

The party is splintered and disfunctional.
The convention will be a dirge or a sideshow.  Maybe both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unquestionably there is a power struggle in the Democratic Party but it is so nuclear that there is no way out for their immolation.</p>
<p>Obama has already antagonized a good part of the white indies and others with his race baiting talk.  Many feel more than uncomfortable, and this is enough to keep them away from the polls.</p>
<p>The young hysterical Obamatons,lefties,and deluded are his  base, but that cannot elect him. Many Hillary women will stay home or go McCain. Trust me, I&#8217;ve been hearing this for days from my fellow women friends.</p>
<p>His behavior regarding Wright and his race bait grandmother speech was lauded by the cowed and ridiculous media, but many voters have turned off as the polls are beginning to show.</p>
<p>You can expect more from his 1000 blog empire to keep up the noise on the internet as they spew Hillary Hate and praise their idol.</p>
<p>Fundamentally if Obama does somehow get elected, we will see America as a third world country. And no, I&#8217;m not a paranoid right winger.</p>
<p>He is a fraud who is manipulated by the Black Power establishment, and Wright is only one small part of this equation.. The Black Panther Party has been running ads on Obama&#8217;s website. It&#8217;s been scrubbed several times, and they&#8217;ve been told to lay low.</p>
<p>The Democratic Party is boxed in. No representation from Fla or MI is only a part of the anger and discontent we will see.</p>
<p>Pelosi practically anounced last Sunday that this will all be over soon and certainly, it&#8217;s OBAMA, as it&#8217;s a delegate count thing you dopes.</p>
<p>The party is splintered and disfunctional.<br />
The convention will be a dirge or a sideshow.  Maybe both.</p>
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		<title>By: norrismorris</title>
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		<dc:creator>norrismorris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi Klein writes as a total leftist. The dialogue against Clinton, as you say is exactly what the Right employs.

Kerry did no one a favor today. My opinion is that Obama will take the party down.

The party leaders and uberdelegates are frightened by black threats of pulling out of the election if Hillary is nominated, or worse...threats to the black caucus in congress to hang with Obama or their congressional votes will suffer. Some have received death threats.  Lewis' defection as old friend of Hillary's to Obama last month was the beginning of this onslaught aided and abetted by the losers in Dem party who think Obama is a shoo-in with no negatives, and oh, yes...it will be impossible for the GOP to handle a black man without being labeled a racist.

Obama is sickening. From uniter,healer,change agent, he has become a polarizing bigot who wants to change the conversation and bet on Whitey's guilt.

We're in Hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi Klein writes as a total leftist. The dialogue against Clinton, as you say is exactly what the Right employs.</p>
<p>Kerry did no one a favor today. My opinion is that Obama will take the party down.</p>
<p>The party leaders and uberdelegates are frightened by black threats of pulling out of the election if Hillary is nominated, or worse&#8230;threats to the black caucus in congress to hang with Obama or their congressional votes will suffer. Some have received death threats.  Lewis&#8217; defection as old friend of Hillary&#8217;s to Obama last month was the beginning of this onslaught aided and abetted by the losers in Dem party who think Obama is a shoo-in with no negatives, and oh, yes&#8230;it will be impossible for the GOP to handle a black man without being labeled a racist.</p>
<p>Obama is sickening. From uniter,healer,change agent, he has become a polarizing bigot who wants to change the conversation and bet on Whitey&#8217;s guilt.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in Hell.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gringo's Wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gringo's Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,

I so appreciate the way you elevate discussions.

I think in the absence of clarity, we sometimes can over think a situation and miss the obvious.

A few things have been pinging in my head this past week.  It started with Pelosi weighing in to Obama's benefit.

Then came the Murtha endorsement.

On the heels of that ... almost as if an attempt to minimize Murtha's weighty endorsement, Richardson endorses Obama.

I remember quite clearly the pride I felt that Richardson had refused to endorse anyone and his assurances that he would not do so until after the primaries.

Anyone else see the internal war going on for power within the Democratic party?

That is what the Democrats and Republicans have in common.  That is why I believe we are seeing the same behavior, the same tactics.  It's the age old stuggle for power.

It is not now, and I dare say it has not been for a long time (with few exceptions), about "The People."  We are numbers to count and analyze to maximize the continued manipulation of the society they are entrusted with.

I have no doubt.  We need to clean house.  I don't think that can happen if Obama is elected.  It becomes more evident every day that Obama's political foundations will be in heavy debt to the very people who have failed us so far.

What good are clear eyes when you live we continue to live the dark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>I so appreciate the way you elevate discussions.</p>
<p>I think in the absence of clarity, we sometimes can over think a situation and miss the obvious.</p>
<p>A few things have been pinging in my head this past week.  It started with Pelosi weighing in to Obama&#8217;s benefit.</p>
<p>Then came the Murtha endorsement.</p>
<p>On the heels of that &#8230; almost as if an attempt to minimize Murtha&#8217;s weighty endorsement, Richardson endorses Obama.</p>
<p>I remember quite clearly the pride I felt that Richardson had refused to endorse anyone and his assurances that he would not do so until after the primaries.</p>
<p>Anyone else see the internal war going on for power within the Democratic party?</p>
<p>That is what the Democrats and Republicans have in common.  That is why I believe we are seeing the same behavior, the same tactics.  It&#8217;s the age old stuggle for power.</p>
<p>It is not now, and I dare say it has not been for a long time (with few exceptions), about &#8220;The People.&#8221;  We are numbers to count and analyze to maximize the continued manipulation of the society they are entrusted with.</p>
<p>I have no doubt.  We need to clean house.  I don&#8217;t think that can happen if Obama is elected.  It becomes more evident every day that Obama&#8217;s political foundations will be in heavy debt to the very people who have failed us so far.</p>
<p>What good are clear eyes when you live we continue to live the dark?</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Cannot think of it, well how about his attempts to a major degree by:masterfully attempting to defend his association with Rev. Wright by invoking a form of controlling “Freedom of Speech” with the media?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How is this different frm Cheney, and Bush?

It's not.

How'd that work out for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Cannot think of it, well how about his attempts to a major degree by:masterfully attempting to defend his association with Rev. Wright by invoking a form of controlling “Freedom of Speech” with the media?</p></blockquote>
<p>How is this different frm Cheney, and Bush?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>How&#8217;d that work out for them?</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;First, many of us here have been more than alittle shocked, as the primary season has gone on, to hear so-called progressive bloggers spewing “right-wing” talking points against the Clintons


Neo-Cons, thru overthrowing governments in Latin American and the Middle East, as well as inacting very harsh economic policies, have been trying to re-make the world in their own image; with little success.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Key words?

Very little success.

So, who really holds the strings?

Secondly, there is historical precedence for this behavior, I think the political shenanigans around the American civil war are equal to what we see today.

Rather than looking to the far right or left for solutions, most Americans will look to the sane.

Both, Obama's tools, and the neocons, are destroying themselves. 


And neither strike me as intelligent, both unable to understand higher complexities, unable to understand WHY their methods never produce the intended result.

The words look good, but when you examine them closely, there is nothing there, the thought process is absent, incomplete, hollow, one dimensional, reeking of cultural ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>First, many of us here have been more than alittle shocked, as the primary season has gone on, to hear so-called progressive bloggers spewing “right-wing” talking points against the Clintons</p>
<p>Neo-Cons, thru overthrowing governments in Latin American and the Middle East, as well as inacting very harsh economic policies, have been trying to re-make the world in their own image; with little success.</p></blockquote>
<p>Key words?</p>
<p>Very little success.</p>
<p>So, who really holds the strings?</p>
<p>Secondly, there is historical precedence for this behavior, I think the political shenanigans around the American civil war are equal to what we see today.</p>
<p>Rather than looking to the far right or left for solutions, most Americans will look to the sane.</p>
<p>Both, Obama&#8217;s tools, and the neocons, are destroying themselves. </p>
<p>And neither strike me as intelligent, both unable to understand higher complexities, unable to understand WHY their methods never produce the intended result.</p>
<p>The words look good, but when you examine them closely, there is nothing there, the thought process is absent, incomplete, hollow, one dimensional, reeking of cultural ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you totally look at the ramblings of Obama on monday, think of something he tactfully used by his speech!

Cannot think of it, well how about his attempts to a major degree by:&lt;strong&gt;masterfully attempting to defend his association with Rev. Wright by invoking a form of controlling "Freedom of Speech"&lt;/strong&gt; with the media?

If you think about it, his very crafted speech opened a gate that no one wants to really enter into for fears of retalliation, that is controlling Freedom of Speech! The fact is, what Obama was guilty of was his association with Wright, a man of bile words towards whites and America, not the color of his skin!

What is the easiest way to silence people is to do EXACTLY what Obama tried doing Monday! Obama speacks constantly of moving the country forward, but Monday Obama moved the country backwards to save his sorry ass! This the sort of person desired to be the CEO of a country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you totally look at the ramblings of Obama on monday, think of something he tactfully used by his speech!</p>
<p>Cannot think of it, well how about his attempts to a major degree by:<strong>masterfully attempting to defend his association with Rev. Wright by invoking a form of controlling &#8220;Freedom of Speech&#8221;</strong> with the media?</p>
<p>If you think about it, his very crafted speech opened a gate that no one wants to really enter into for fears of retalliation, that is controlling Freedom of Speech! The fact is, what Obama was guilty of was his association with Wright, a man of bile words towards whites and America, not the color of his skin!</p>
<p>What is the easiest way to silence people is to do EXACTLY what Obama tried doing Monday! Obama speacks constantly of moving the country forward, but Monday Obama moved the country backwards to save his sorry ass! This the sort of person desired to be the CEO of a country?</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
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		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two thoughts this morning.

1.  Lou Dobbs can be excellent and can be horrid. This was one of his excellent moments.

2.  As reagrds Eurogirl70's comment, "Something very dangerous is at work I am afraid."

Yes, the USA is at a very critical juncture in it's history. I would argue that the very survival of this, the greatest experiment in self-rule and democracy (although we are really a democratic Republic, not a democracy) we have ever faced. I think eventually this crisis could exceed that of the Civil War. 

This is true for so many reasons. And there is not enough time in a post to go through them all. The US could swing so many different ways right now: facism, theocracy, despotism to name a few.

That is why at this critical time in our history it is imperative to FIRST get a Democrat in the White House. Almost any Democrat is better than a Republican this time.

I happen to also believe that of the remaining two  Democrats (Hillary was not my first choice) in this race Hillary is the most competent and the most capable of beating John McCain. And she would be a great President.

Once we get a Democrat in the White House we can begin to repair what the Bushies have done to our democratic Republic and save it. And that is a huge job in and of itself, but will be compounded by the economic collapse that is also occuring.

That is why I support Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thoughts this morning.</p>
<p>1.  Lou Dobbs can be excellent and can be horrid. This was one of his excellent moments.</p>
<p>2.  As reagrds Eurogirl70&#8217;s comment, &#8220;Something very dangerous is at work I am afraid.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the USA is at a very critical juncture in it&#8217;s history. I would argue that the very survival of this, the greatest experiment in self-rule and democracy (although we are really a democratic Republic, not a democracy) we have ever faced. I think eventually this crisis could exceed that of the Civil War. </p>
<p>This is true for so many reasons. And there is not enough time in a post to go through them all. The US could swing so many different ways right now: facism, theocracy, despotism to name a few.</p>
<p>That is why at this critical time in our history it is imperative to FIRST get a Democrat in the White House. Almost any Democrat is better than a Republican this time.</p>
<p>I happen to also believe that of the remaining two  Democrats (Hillary was not my first choice) in this race Hillary is the most competent and the most capable of beating John McCain. And she would be a great President.</p>
<p>Once we get a Democrat in the White House we can begin to repair what the Bushies have done to our democratic Republic and save it. And that is a huge job in and of itself, but will be compounded by the economic collapse that is also occuring.</p>
<p>That is why I support Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Eurogirl70</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eurogirl70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi Klein wrote a book called "The Shock Doctrine". In it she lays out how Neo-Cons, thru overthrowing governments in Latin American and the Middle East, as well as inacting very harsh economic policies, have been trying to re-make the world in their own image; with little success.

The reason that I mention this is because I truly believe that many on the left are trying to do the same thing.  First, many of us here have been more than alittle shocked, as the primary season has gone on, to hear so-called progressive bloggers spewing "right-wing" talking points against the Clintons.  That is how it started. Even though it is clearly obvious that even should Obama secure the Democratic nomination, and he shouldn't if the DNC and SD's do their damn job, he will lose big time.  I really think that some on the left are taking right wing tactics straight from the neo-con playbook and are of the mindset that they must kill the Democratic party in order to "save it" and turn it into their own image of what the party should be.  They know that should Senator Clinton become president they will be marginalized. They have not done the hard work. They have not the talents or capabilities to enact real, substantive change. Instead, they would rather derail the Democratic Party entirely, continue to hold onto their like-minded followers, and wait 2-3 more election cycles for everyone to be in such despair they will look to them for "the light"!  Something very dangerous is at work I am afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi Klein wrote a book called &#8220;The Shock Doctrine&#8221;. In it she lays out how Neo-Cons, thru overthrowing governments in Latin American and the Middle East, as well as inacting very harsh economic policies, have been trying to re-make the world in their own image; with little success.</p>
<p>The reason that I mention this is because I truly believe that many on the left are trying to do the same thing.  First, many of us here have been more than alittle shocked, as the primary season has gone on, to hear so-called progressive bloggers spewing &#8220;right-wing&#8221; talking points against the Clintons.  That is how it started. Even though it is clearly obvious that even should Obama secure the Democratic nomination, and he shouldn&#8217;t if the DNC and SD&#8217;s do their damn job, he will lose big time.  I really think that some on the left are taking right wing tactics straight from the neo-con playbook and are of the mindset that they must kill the Democratic party in order to &#8220;save it&#8221; and turn it into their own image of what the party should be.  They know that should Senator Clinton become president they will be marginalized. They have not done the hard work. They have not the talents or capabilities to enact real, substantive change. Instead, they would rather derail the Democratic Party entirely, continue to hold onto their like-minded followers, and wait 2-3 more election cycles for everyone to be in such despair they will look to them for &#8220;the light&#8221;!  Something very dangerous is at work I am afraid.</p>
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