And he’s as totally anti-war as anyone who says his position is identical to Bush’s and who doesn’t know how he would have voted if he’d actually been in that position can be. If he’d been there, he so totally would have taken his version of a stand and voted “present” instead of yes. He’s so anti-war, he may go bomb the Pentagon with William Ayers next weekend. If he’s not sinking a proposal to withdraw or threatening pakistan instead.

But I can’t argue with “transcendent.” Since he “transcends” the support of every major group in the Democratic Party xcept for African Americans, from Latinos to women to blue collar voters, old people, Catholics, getting anywhere near the Presidency would indeed be a miracle.

Hey, if we disenfrachise every stat except Alaska, then throw out her votes there, Obama would not be ‘ahead’ in the popular vote, he’d be the unanimous choice. Let’s do that!

‘Obama has received every single vote cast, Clinton has none.’ Sounds good to me.

“The “franchise” is whatever the party decides it will be–no one has a constitutional right to vote in a party’s primary.”

Yeah, Fanny Lou Hamer is proud today. Except Republicans, who have a right to vote n ou primary, for without them bama wouldn’t have any votes. And then, as you point out, they become more like Democrats than actual Democrats. To the Democrats who think they can vote any way they want, they’re lucky they weren’t beaten instead off just disenfarncised.

Will, let’s pretend for a moment that all Obama supporters aren’t morons. It’s really hard to pretend that hard, but try. Now, Obama’s foreign policy experience consists of visiting an Olive Garden, but that’s okay. Let’s pretend that these things we call ‘foreign countries’ actualy exist, okay? Let’s also pretend that visiting a war zone is dangerous (the Olive Garden parking lot has, like, cars, you could get hit by!). Let’s further pretnd that um, having the first FL to visit a war zone, or a Senator, or any type of dignitary or celebrity, get killed there would be kind of problematic. Maybe a little worse than problematic from a PR standpoint. Would you take precautions if there was the slighest chance for an incident? Would you say, ma’mn, we’re likely to be under fire and we need you to be incredibly careful?

Okay, well, you’d probably drool into a cup and count that as Naval experience, but most people probably would. But, I hear the majority of the country is practicing choruses of ‘God Damn america’ to prepare for teh convention, so who knows.

Total bs, and you know it. If Hillary had failed to win any major states and was countering “I won Alaska” when she’d lost California, and if her wins were in caususes and she was actually claiming she could turn Wyoming blue, she’d be laughed out of the room. IF SHE WERE SUPPORTING THE DISENFRANCHISEMENT OF STATES, she’d be pilloried the likes of which we’ve never seen, even without makiing ‘new Politics’ the hypocritical center of her campaign. If she were in Obama’s place, ALL we’d hear is this is ridiculous, she can’t win, this shows the insanity of the process, the superdelegates need to ensure a viable nominee, they need to switch to a winner-take-all, they have to do something. She can’t win a state that matters, the caucuses are full of irregularities, and Republicans are trying to choose the Democratic nominee. The blaring, ubiquitous message would be, ’something must be done.’ And they’d be right. And anybody who sugggested Obama should drop out, when he’s won every state that mattered, neither of them had enough delegates to win outright, and she was ahead by ’such stunning margins’ (60 delegates? 80?) on top of the mighty Alaska victory would be laughed out of the room, as well as accused of racism, and you know it. If Obama was in this position with Edwards, or any two men were in this position (and yes, I’m a guy), no one would make this case with a straight face, it would be understood that the process needs to play out. And if they made it once, they’d be laughed at and it would never be repeated.

Oh yes I see - the blackpanther.org. Well nothing could be anymore transcendant! Why didn’t I think of that?

Some things never change huh?

thanks for the laugh!

His backers, as personified by his charming brother-in-law, insult women, particularly older women, and more particularly older white women, on a regular basis.

His wife and close friends and associates make statements indicating a definite lack of regard for this country, some of them coming before the bodies were even recovered after 9/11. And his spiritual adviser, even when making a valid point about the lack of media coverage when young black women are crime victims, could not confine his beef to the press, but felt he had to attack and demean the character of a young white women whose victimization had received quite a bit of publicity. This was quite simply indecent.

And this just covers his method of campaigning. So I’m still waiting for an answer — what does Obama hope to attain by insulting potential voters?

Or maybe the answer is in your latest comment — perhaps using name-calling and insults is just how Obama expresses his “different point of view,” thus his supporters consider such behavior acceptable when doing what they consider “debating candidates’ merits.”

For a real discussion of your candidate’s merits, see the later thread posted on this site discussing several issues that show the unsuitability of Obama to be the Democratic nominee. It is clear that if Obama cared one whit for the Democratic Party and this country, he would withdraw now and avoid the possible disgrace of losing so badly he might not even carry Massachusetts.

No one made Obama take his name off Michigan’s ballot, he did that voluntarily and for his own reasons. It was not in any of the rules.

Now he wants to change the damn rules to fit his mistakes….who does he think he is? who gives him that right?…He wants to disenfranchise the voters of Michigan, because he was manipulating voters. That is his tough luck..but noooooooooo the rule miser Dean is allowing this cheater steal and disenfranchise the voters of Michigan.

And again, Obama cheated in Florida..it was Obama who came into Florida in Sept 2007, right after signing the pledge to not seat the Fla delegation, that he came to where I live and told dem voters he would seat the Fla delegation..hell the ink wasn’t even dry on his signature on the pledge he signed…so which rules are they.. that Dr. Dean allows being broken..only those.. Obama breaks???????????

You can play the fool Will..but I refuse to!

And I will Hold each and Every dem accountable that steals my vote and disenfranchises me!

My list begins with Howard Dean, Donna Brazile , and Obama!

fly

I actually have had a gun pointed in my face. But that’s another story…

“I didn’t like it; and I am glad she or the other members did not get shot at.”

Me, too. Why did she claim that she was?

“By the way did you notice on the clip they have been showing, how close to the bunker they were standing? Or was that the outhouse with all those sandbags and gun slots? Real safe eh?”

Where were you when Howard Wolfson was flailing around trying to spin this thing today? This is SO much better!

Her tale reminded me of Reagan claiming that he helped liberate concentration camps–while in the USO!

At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: “Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” “A republic if you can keep it” responded Franklin.

If there is a lesson in all of this it is that our Constitution is neither a self-actuating nor a self-correcting document. It requires the constant attention and devotion of all citizens.

http://www.constitutioncenter.org/explore/ThreePerspectivesontheConstitution/ARepublic,IfYouCanKeepIt.shtml

he will be another tool in the tool chest for the neo cons!