Seriously, wake up and smell the Swift Boat fuel. No one thinks Bosnia is that big a deal because she copped to it, several times now. He keeps lying, and lying, and lying.

It ain’t as much the pastor as the lying that’s the problem.

He did denounce them. He just refused to denounce the man. Because he is a Christian. If he had denounced the man, than all his opponents would have said “look, he’s not really a Christian.” Hate the sinner, not the sin.

Too freakin’ funny. Considering Mike’s own past issues w/ guileful statements and inability to tell it like it is - and penchant for also making up incidents. (Take for instance his thoroughly debunked and disproven story about having oreo cookies thrown at him during a speech) - seems to me you could’ve found a better individual to cite.

Why do you think he doesn’t? (I have my own notions about that, but am curious about yours.)

IMO - Sen Obama’s strategies are Rovian.

But now we need a mature, practical, experienced, knowlegeable, unflappable, good-humored, kind, person like Senator Clinton, who foreign leaders already know and trust, and who knows about the economy and the financial system, to get us out of the deep hole Republican policies and Republican-Libertarian supply-side fantasies have gotten us into. Senator Clinton’s solutions to today’s problems will be based not upon what *she* wants, but what she knows her fellow Americans want.

But to go back to the basics.

As a long time church goer, I can say that there is no way that you can be a member of a church for many years and not know the pastor’s fundamental belief system. First of all, if most of his sermons were sweetness and light, then the troubling sermons would have been news to the entire congregation and everyone would have been talking about it. Ergo, everyone at Trinity including the Obamas knew where Rev. Wright stood on a myriad of issues.

Furthermore, if Obama is not debasing the meaning of “mentor” then it is simply not believable that he could not know of Wright’s thinking from his own relationship with the man.

This then brings into question his rejection of Wright’s ideas and rhetoric.

SusanUnPC: (Thanks to Chris as well) I am mad as hell,still. I can recall Ces’s posts from prior to the Texas primaries and contrast this with it. errrr I even scraped it for future ref.

Comment by ces | 2008-03-29 17:00:05
Sorta OT here, but I’ll add my fresh experience at why Dem’s don’t have a f.ing clue.
I’m in Texas and I just left my county convention early (where they are supposed to seat the precinct delegates, and then vote toward the state delegates).
I was supposed to be an alternate Clinton delegate for my precinct. The precinct had gone 11 delegates for Obama, and 3 for Clinton.
After 4 1/2 hours of sitting around waiting to find out if the three regular Clinton delegates had even shown up, I started calling them. (I should have called earlier!) There was no way to check to see if they had showed up and signed in. And you weren’t allowed in the delegate rooms where you precinct was (and those weren’t even labeled at all). The first one had been called by the Obama campaign just this morning and was told that the whole thing had been cancelled. She didn’t bother to show up or call those of us on the alternate list. So now, ‘we’ were down one delegate. The other one I called was here but was in some committee and couldn’t help me find out where our precinct was sitting in the building or how to get elevated to a full delegate.
I finally just went into one of the rooms where delegates where seated and found the people from my precinct but was told to leave because I was still only an alternate.
So again, after nearly five hours at this point, I go to get elevated to full delegate. A couple of ladies in full Obama gear told me I needed some form signed by the original delegate saying I would take her place. Without that, I couldn’t do anything.
And my precinct chair, a big O supporter, was supposed to have been counting the delegates, was also the district chairman or whatever, and he was up on stage talking the whole time. So I wasn’t even allowed in his room to talk to him about having him elevated to delegate.
But here’s the kicker. After all that sitting around, raging head cold and all, my vote wouldn’t have counted for s. anyway. Why not? Because there’s no split appointments of the county delegates; it’s all or nothing. So for my precinct, those 11 Obama folk’s vote cancel out Clinton’s vote completely.
I sat and stood around from 10:30am to 3:30pm for absolutely no reason.
Further,
-there were no signs telling you in which room your precinct was sitting.
-there were no information about how the convention runs.
-in fact, the people who showed up at 9am (2 1/2 hours early, because delegate sign-in was supposed to start at 10:30am) were asked if they wanted to be on the rules committee that would come up with the rules for the convention being held today! The Democratic party can’t make rules beforehand so people know what the hell we’re doing?!
-There were only five tables being used for signing in delegate, despite the lines reaching several hundred feet long. They tried to make things by last name, even though each table had the full list. But no effort was made to tell people what was going on. We just had enthusiastic Obama people plastered with buttons and stickers going up to other Obama supporters to try to get them to the front, or get them organized.
It was a certifiable A1 C.F. with a capital C. It’s as if the Democrats WANT to lose in November.
I’ll be making sure my affiliation is Independent on Monday.
And if the National Democratic party do not fully seat MI and FL and do not count their votes, I will not be voting for the senator from Illinois. I’ll wait til the midterms to balance out the Republican presidency.