“Let Every Vote Count”
By dcmediagirl on March 31, 2008 at 9:34 AM in Barack Obama, Democrats, Florida, Howard Dean, Media, Michigan, Pakistan
It’s do-or-die time for the Democratic party.
The party that was robbed in Florida in 2000 now must have a come to Jesus moment as quickly as possible.
The Democrats have to decide who they are and what they stand for. Are they a party of royalists who stand for coronation and party boss bullying, or the party of enfranchisement and letting every vote count? Are they the party of buck passing and circular firing squads, or the party of personal responsibility?
These are not rhetorical questions. These are the most serious issues facing the party at the moment. The answers could very well determine who takes the oath of office in 2009.
It appears that finally, finally, the press and the people are waking up to the grim reality that two states will be shut out of the nominating process. While it’s true that they’re two large, crucial swing states and that one of these states was the site of the battle royal in 2000, the point is that this situation would be just as unacceptable and outrageous if the states in question were Delaware and Rhode Island.
For the Democratic party chairman to say that the delegations will be “seated” is cold comfort. Hell, with my press credentials I too could be “seated” at the convention. That doesn’t mean I get the right to vote, or that I represent a constituency. For the chairman of the Democratic party to tell “supporters”, i.e. Democratic voters, to “shut up” is outrageous. For him to promise a “plan” to fix this embarrassing mess without offering specifics is totally unacceptable.
And for Obama surrogates to fan out and issue more calls for Hillary Clinton to drop out before all the votes are counted is monstrous. There’s no other word for it. And please spare us the handwringing and patronizing lectures about what’s “good” and “bad” for the party, unless you’re willing to explain how stopping a vote count at the halfway mark and disenfranchising voters somehow benefits the Democratic party and the country. If you’re not prepared to do that, well, you can follow Howard Dean’s advice and “shut up”.
Do votes count when determining the party’s nominee? Or only when counted against a Republican opponent?
It is imperative that all voters, regardless of their political affiliation or whether they live in Florida and Michigan, band together to protest this outrage.
There are people the world over who would die, literally die, for the right to vote. Even in countries where election rigging is commonplace voters still turn out to cast their ballots. They did it in Pakistan despite the very real risks of terrorist attacks and death, and look what happened. This weekend they did it in Zimbabwe. In some ways the results of the final count are not as important as the act itself, of giving people the opportunity to be enfranchised, to participate in the running of their own country. These are people who refuse to give in to cynicism and despair. They set an example for us, not the other way around as we would like to think.
The last time I checked, we still have the right to vote in this country (ALL OVER the country, not in just 48 states), and despite messes in elections past we are entitled to believe that our votes will count. Write and call your Democratic representative and local party official. Remind him or her that our nation is supposed to be the envy of the world, not a hypocritical laughing stock.
Write and call the DNC and pull a Howard Beale.
And fight. Fight like hell. We do not live in a tinpot dictatorship. Remind Democratic “leaders” of this fact.
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I have a suggestion for Patrick Leahy and John Kerry and the other buffoons who wish for Hillary to drop out NOW, before the rest of the states are counted.
How about on election night during their next re-election bid, we just stop counting the votes at 60% or 70%? If they are ahead, they will be declared the winner. If they aren’t, they must concede immediately. No need to count all the way to 100%. To do so would destroy their credibility and damage the Democratic party.
That is what they have been suggesting for Hillary. Do you think they’ll want to use these rules when it comes to their races?
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Love it!
Obama knows he can only win the nomination if he:
1) stops people from casting future votes (see “Hillary must quit” meme) and
2) prevent votes that have been casted from counting (see FL and MI).
Apparently that is what THIS current democratic crowd stands for. Hillary is right. If the FL and MI delegates are not seated, the nominee is not legitimate.
Bingo!
That is exactly what is going on. Obama can ONLY win if the voting is stopped now. If Florida and Michigan are counted then he may as well drop out now because he cannot win. That is his dilemma. He had to close the nomination in Texas and Ohio and he couldn’t. Now he can try to bluff or he can try to intimidate Dean, Palosi, et al into rigging it for him but he cannot win by winning the primary election.
“No need to count to 100%”
I was having a pretty good laugh when I read your post and then I remembered: thats what they did in Florida in 2000 and again in Ohio in 2004. Then I remembered how quickly Sen. Kerry declined to live up to his “rhetoric”. It was only by the grace of the Greens that the Ohio vote was exposed as a total fraud. So anything that man (Kerry) says is taken by me with a big dose of scepticisn.
Still, if you compare what a Kerry presidency would have been like with what the past 4 years have been like, I can’t imagine that anyone here would say that Kerry wouldn’t have been 1000% better. We still wouldn’t have universal, single payer health care but we’d have some semblance of our democracy still intact.
I don’t like Obama, I don’t trust him and I think the Republicans will make mince meat of him with an ease that will take your breath away. Regardless. If he takes the nomination, I will vote for him. Because, half a loaf is better than not a crumb. If I could get what I consider ideal in a president then Ralph Nader would be our president. But I can’t vote for him because I know he can’t win. Everyone knows he can’t win. So I’ll vote Democratic in November, no matter who get the nomination. I suggest all of you turn your energies toward electing the most progressive Senators and Representatives you can. That’s the key to getting the policies we want out of Washington, no matter who is elected President. As an Illinois voter, I’ll vote Green for all state seats on the ballot and I’m urging everyone I know to do the same. But nationally, I’ll vote Dem.
Another Republican in the White House would just about finish us off as a Democracy.
I think the point here is that without all Democrats getting some skin in this thing, Barack Obama isn’t the candidate of the Democratic party. You certainly can cast your vote for him.
But if he is the candidate of the Democratic party without counting the votes of Michigan and Florida, then the Democratic party is no longer one which I can support.
President Carter can complain about voting fraud in third world nations and can’t see it happening under his nose? I am terribly disappointed by his lack of leadership here.
Actually, Carter was asked to supervise the voting in 2004. He said the Florida system was so flawed that it couldn’t even be evaluated by his standards.
He and James Baker came up with a system for election reform, but it had a fatal flaw – a National ID plan, which disproportionately disenfranchises the poor. So, his leadership has been a bit of a mixed bag, but at least he has been trying to do something.
A few weeks ago in a long interview on NPR, H. Dean said DNC wanted S.C. to vote before Florida so Africian Americans would have more of an impact on who our democratic nominee would be. He seems to be willing to throw Florida and Michigan voters over a cliff to accomplish this. Obama and his campaign go along with Dean. Who in Congress has spoken in support of Florida and Michigan voters? None?? My Letter To the Editor…..
Senator Obama, INSPIRATION, HOPE, CHANGE
Inspiration? Are citizens inspired by the hateful, vitriolic “God damn the U.S. of Amerikkka” and other equally disturbing remarks by Reverend Jeremiah Wright who has been pastor to the Obama family for 20 years?
Hope? Voters in Florida are hoping their delegates to the Democratic National Convention will be seated. The Florida primary date was set by the Republican controlled State Legislature, citizens had no choice but to vote on that date. All democratic candidates were on the ballot. If the DNC continues to refuse to seat Florida delegates, Senator Clinton has agreed to a revote. DNC Chairman Howard Dean and Barack Obama have not. In Florida hope has turned to anger.
Change? As an Illinois state senator in Oct. “02″ Obama spoke against the war to a Chicago anti-war crowd. National Public Radio reported there is no video of the speech and only snippits of audio. Senator Obama has reenacted this speech complete with chosen audience and is using the reenactment in his TV advertising. Change? Sounds like the same old politics to me.
“As an Illinois state senator in Oct. “02″ Obama spoke against the war to a Chicago anti-war crowd. National Public Radio reported there is no video of the speech and only snippits of audio. Senator Obama has reenacted this speech complete with chosen audience and is using the reenactment in his TV advertising.”
Pure and simple propaganda. Of course, no one knows if it was even the same speech.
Check out the picture of him on the phone at taylormarsh.com if you want to see staging. Inept staging.
Wow. Is Dean unaware that AA people live in Florida, as well? He’s willing to disenfranchise people of all colors and religions because he wants to play God with the primaries? I have been feeling lately that this is all part of what they’ve been pushing, and the refusal of Dean and Pelosi and others to do this fairly. I believe they want so desperately to cling to the newly active AA voters who were brought to the Party by Obama, that they’re willing to disenfranchise the rest of the Party.
The BIG problem that the DNC and the Dem Elite are missing. They are contorting and rewriting the rules for the Obamacrats, and yet the Obamacrats have been found to be not voting ‘down the ticket’ for other Democrats. Many of Obama’s fans are one-issue voters. Unfortunately that “issue” is a person.
Oh.. more and more I’m beginning to believe this was all preordained from the moment the DNC got Obama to deliver that speech in 2004. We’ve been hoodwinked.
The democratic party are cowards and they stand for nothing. See 2006 Democatic Congress and see Iraq, Oversight w/out action, see no shows at Democratic oversight hearing and no punishment, see ALL TALK and NO ACTION. Okay now I get why all the “big wig” democratic senators (see Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd,etc) like Obama..Birds of a feather.
My mother is a registered rep (because in her state independents can’t vote in primaries) but she basically votes independent. My mother has always been smart. This time I will listen to her.
If the DNC hierarchy really believed that every vote should count, they wouldn’t have allowed caucuses. Do they really believe that cramming Obama down our throats will “unite” the party? Yesterday, when I saw the videos of the fiasco in Texas, I was as angry as I was when Gore was cheated in Florida and Kerry in Ohio. Our party has become what we so despised in the last two presidential elections. What is really so sad is the number of so-called progressives who are condoning this. I don’t know if this quote is completely accurate, but here goes–”We have seen the enemy, and they are us!”
I agree that our party is a big dissapontment. What gives with the super delagates. It should be 1 person 1 vote not super delagates who decide this election. I disagree that Obama is being crammed down our throats, I want Obama to be the party’s nomination. I think Hilary thinks she can win with the votes from the super delagates and if this happends I will not be voting for her in the general election.
What gives with the super delegates
Have you done any reading as to why they exist?
Is a caucus one person one vote? If that is your departure point then Senator Clinton LEADS the race. Are you aware that in Texas BO’s minions are committing civil rights violations,election fraud and dis-enfranchising party delegates for Clinton?
Good luck to you, there is a HUGE let down coming for ya.
I don’t guess the thought occured to you that neither one of them can win without superdelegates did it? That is a point that is so missed in the media and by BO supporters. NEITHER ONE can win WITHOUT superdelgates you do have to have 2025 for the nomination. Does either one have that? No. Will either one of them attain that amount by June? No, not without superdelegates.
What do you consider the will of the people? The popular vote, the primary vote, the primary vote plus the caucus. If your going to count people, let’s count ALL people including MI and FL, otherwise your letting the party insiders decide not the people. It’s them that make all the rules that exclude rather than include.
Personally I’m all for a new party, a real party of inclusion, not exclusion that the Dem party is looking like now…
I suggest calling the DNC or emailing, complaining AND saying you will not give the party any money until this is resolved FAIRLY. If enough of us threaten to withhold money, it will scare the pants off the leaders.
Some say it will hurt the party, not any particular candidate:
They can add this Louisiana Democrat to that list as well, if they don’t count Florida & Michigan.
I will continue to kick and scream and write emails and letters but I don’t think it will do any good. The Democratic Leadership and the DNC don’t hear what they don’t want to hear.
I can’t remember if it was Howard Fineman or Dana Milbank but when Chris Matthews asked them if Democrats weren’t worried about the rage of the voters if they didn’t do what the voters wanted and end the war. The response went along the lines of, “they don’t believe that the voters will defect because, where will they go? The Democratic Leadership takes the base for granted because they believe we will, in the end get in line and vote for whatever candidate they foist upon us.
I’ve carried on for years about the unfairness of having our candidates selected by the Iowa Caucuses or New Hampshire voters. Who the hell are they to decide the nominee for the rest of us? This system is broke and has been broke and only now do a lot of people realize that.
Democrats ignore the rage that is building against the Democratic Party outside the beltway and in the real world at their peril.
Hi, new here, apologize if I discuss items that have already been, discussed. Been lurking for quite awhile.
I read people expressing rage but many keep writing that everyone must vote Democrat no matter what. They get away with taking the voters for granted because the voters come back time and time again.
I don’t get it. I never got it. He opens his mouth and I yawn. I can’t stand the guy.
I’m not just tired of the party. I’m disgusted with the media. I feel absolutely no loyalty to the party. I picked the candidate I thought most able to get some thinks accomplished. I’m just another that believes Obama’ll bomb in the GE. (I personally hope he goes down hard) I But I don’t hold my nose to vote any more and would never vote for Obama. Maybe if enough people take action the DNC will get a clue.
I keep writing the DNC, I write my reps. I keep doing it even though I think the fix is in. I think Obama will do a Rove. He’ll squeak by on some measure and he’ll pretend to be gracious and say seat MI/FL. The superdeez will then pile on.
It’s crap.
Hear ya Waldenpond. And I have been hearing the same “but you have to vote Democrat” for 40 years. And the time has come to draw a line.
I am now an Independent. Ergo, I “owe” the Democratic Party no loyalty. If I ever did since they give no loyalty in return. The elections of 2006 prove that. They are not only disloyal, they are incompetent as well. They were given a majority to do a job. All we got was handwringing about the nasty Republicans who by the way seem to be just as able to defeat the Democrats as the Minority Party as they were as the Majority. We not only elected a bunch of fools, we elected a bunch of incompetent, lying fools.
I believe so long as we keep supporting the nominee chosen for us by the media and the Democratic Leadership we will get lousy candidates. If there is no penalty for not listening to the will of the people, whyever would they listen? If we accept lip service then that’s what we’ll get.
Why on earth should we, as rational human beings support a lousy candidate? Because the Republican is lousier? Or because we are too silly to bother to find out all we can to know about canididates instead of repeating talking points like a bunch of braindead fools?
I will no longer vote for anyone unless I think, I believe, that they are worthy of being elected to high office. And I don’t give a flying frak if they have an R or a D after their name.
I’m telling you – HIT THEM IN THE WHERE IT HURTS!! tell them you will not give them any $ until they stop the nonsense. That is language they understand and they will listen if enough of us do this.
I emailed under the DNC’s feedback in issues section under “Voter Protection”. Thought it would be ironic.
” “they don’t believe that the voters will defect because, where will they go?”
I intend to dispel that myth! And I don’t care if I’m a minority of one. I don’t need company. I couldn’t live with myself if I allowed the Democratic Party to do this to me yet again.
Here’s my list of reasons why:
1. McGovern
2. Ted Kennedy ushering in the Reagan Years (that in and of itself should have knocked some sense into me.)
3. 1988
4. 2000 and the lack of support for Gore. And Florida.
5. 2004 punkass Kerry letting himself be Swiftboated, then not standing up about the Ohio irregularities.
And now in 2008, the despicable treatment of Hillary Clinton in deference to this empty suit of a candidate, (Kennedy, again). Michigan and Florida being excluded over ‘rules’ that the average voter knew nothing about. Screw the average voter over Party politics? Yeah, that’s democracy…. that’s a 50 state strategy.
I will not be Charlie Brown yet again. Sorry, Lucy but I ain’t goin for the football headfake anymore.
And to that Obama supporter above who claims she won’t vote for Hillary. You people have been saying that for months. Before SC, Super Tuesday. You are part of the reason why I won’t support a Party ticket with Obama. Early on, I was all for being a Democrat until I realized that you guys weren’t.
And so I say, WIN WITHOUT ME!!!! If the the Party leadership thinks that the Obamabots defecting is way more important than me and other Hillary supporters, then it’s clear to me that I am in the WRONG PARTY.
I don’t have a problem confronting that. That’s CHANGE I can believe in.
almost any grievances that the Democrats actually have–Florida 2000, Ohio are now null and void. We won’t be allowed near electoral reform after the pigs ear of a primary.
Also take Northern Ireland and Bosnia off the successful Democratic policy initiative list.
We have a speech from 2002 though. That’ll work apparently.
So the Democrat invertebrates are going to dictate the nomination?
They want to throw the election. I think it is the only explanation.
The main reason that they have been pushing for Hillary to quit is so that Obama can then generously agree to seat the FL/MI delegations as selected by the primaries.
He can’t do that while their votes matter. And if Hillary doesn’t quit before the end of the primaries, then it will be obvious that the delegates and popular votes of those two states would make the difference.
That’s the reason for WWTSBQ.
Can’t she see she’s destroying the party by not letting Obama unify us? She is being divisive because he can’t unify us until that SBQ’s.
This is an embarrassing and shameful situation for the democratic party and Obama and his minions which includes the media at large are underestimating the effect of this. Legitimacy of the nominee is in question if they don’t resolve this soon. As one person, one voter, I will not vote for the nominee who has not supported counting or re-vote in those states.
At this point, unless those states are included in picking the nominee, they are gone for good in the GE. Hillary seems to have the best shot of unifying at this point because she won the primaries and has always been for counting (or revote) them despite the cynics attributing other motives to her cause. Obama is damaged in more ways than one.
http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/chairman/fchilf
If you haven’t written Howard Dean yet, you can do so at the link above.
Thanks for the link here is my comment from that form
Who are you people and what have you done with my party?????
Stop trying to cram an inexperienced candidate that will do your bidding down my throat!
Count every vote!
Go back and read Thomas Paine! He advocated for a large number of delegates to avoid just this kind of situation in which the few (the caucus states) decide for the many.
Count every vote!! Obama ran ads in Fl and all candidates were on the ballot.
Common sens will tell you to count the Fl vote as is and give Obama the uncommitteds from Mi and give Hillary the delegates she won!
You people are ridiculous! The Democratic Party appears to be a good ole boys club. Full membership and voting rights for ALL!
Does Obama realize he is the Kamikaze candidate?
it is a very special form of unification.
So True.
Very special indeed.
It involves a large part of the Democratic party being instructed to grab their ankles.
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It’s really very simple-we are not the Democratic Party if we do not count all the votes. I am so tired of Obama being shoved down my throat. Since, when did winning “red states” and caucuses, insure the Democratic party of a “win” in November. If we had the good sense to run our primary season, like the repubs, then Hillary would be cleaning his clock. The Dems always do such a good job of shooting themselves in the foot. Thank God, we have a real fighter, in Hillary Clinton, who will not quit, just because “the boys” say she should. She is showing America what it means to have someone who will fight for each and every one of us. We need her in the White House. To the person above, who said she is divisive, I suggest that it is Obama who has been the divisive one in this campaign, and if elected, we would be more divided than ever. His words of unity…just words.
That divisive comment above (myiq2xu 2008-03-31 10:47:54) was facetious, I am pretty sure.
I cannot believe that the Democratic Party elites don’t understand what disenfranchising millions of voters will do to the party. And for Obama to suggest that Hillary just drop out before the end is even worse. He’s basically telling the rest of the states who haven’t voted that they don’t matter, their vote doesn’t matter. What a bunch of fools.
It is how he has always won elections. In Illinois he had more leverage, and a lot of help from Denny Hastert and Ray La Hood (who got Jack Ryan to drop out).
Obama and the Democratic Party don’t care about those red state wins. They know they won’t convert into electoral votes in Nov. They’re only using them to claim that Obama Is the ‘chosen one.’ That he won more states.
They want Hillary to drop out so they can FORCE the big state voters to tow the Party Line. They believe, and unfortunately with good reason, that once everyone calms down, then the majority will accept Obama. Yes, they know some will defect and vote for McCain, and others will stay home, and others will vote Nader. But they are counting on the fact that those numbers will be SMALL. And that the young people will be out in force to ENERGIZE things and hopefully intoxicate the political landscape and media with Senator Hope-a-Dope Obamania.
That’s why our emails and letters of complaint and dissatisfaction aren’t getting any traction. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW THEM THE MONEY!
I intend to do just that if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination. Sadly, I think that a lot of people won’t.
mimi, know what you mean. they don’t care about our letters or emails. they don’t care about our outrage. they think we’ll come around. and they’re counting on our anger diminishing over time. i think they won’t believe us until they actually see a landslide loss in the election plus a huge decline in contributions to the dnc (they’ll never get a dime from me).
hopefully, we will not allow ourselves to become distracted by their games over the upcoming months and will remain steadfast in our determination. if not, they will win and our party will never learn that it cannot continue to feed us shit sandwiches.
I think this piece from USNEWS and World report by Barone makes some interesting points that could be encouraging.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/3/28/projection-clinton-wins-popular-vote-obama-wins-delegate-count.html
I Have Voted IN EVERY national election since I was 21 years old in the USN, never for a repug. This year I just might sit out the top of the ticket and just vote DOWN ticket if me dont use all 50 states to pick our nominee
we not me
You can tell it’s Friday when the insecure, big talk-little do polls rush to the media to say something disgusting, nasty or self-aggrandizing. So sure enough attention seeker extraordinaire, Sen. Pat Leahy, deems to command Hillary to withdraw. [Like he’d ever tell BO to, scheesh!]
Why Friday? Because he assures himself of invites on all the hate-Hillary weekend TV and radio programs. He lives to bask in the limelight. He’ll be cosseted and cajoled as he and the interviewer engage in mutual masturbation over the Hope Pope, while verbally tearing HRC to shreds.
The media will have its usual field day. All the BO lies will be unmentioned or glossed over; all the HRC accusations will be pulled out, refurbished and bronzed with plenty of lightly scented misogyny. Blogs like dailykos will go nutz with joy and tax even their ability to shovel manure.
And most everyone will forget Leahy the quitter-master giving in and supporting Roberts and Aleto to the Supremes; Or his turning his back on women’s reproductive issues after assuring voters he would not let his religion influence his duties as Senator.
Look at what Brazil says about MI and FL in email to TM poster!
from Guess the Blogger thread at TaylorMarsh.com
Sorry for the long post guys — thought you’d appreciate the dialogue I’ve been having with Donna Brazile.
Dear Ms. Brazile,
Today you said something that suggested it’s all been worked out, MI and FL will not have a say in the nomination process and Sen. Obama will win the nomination because he has won more states. Did I understand you correctly?
I honestly don’t understand why the Democratic Party Leadership, why leaders like you, are saying the things that you are saying. There seems to be a strong desire to remake the party in some new way that celebrates young, African American, and liberal-elite voters while completely disenfranchising and dismissing the white, Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, female, older and working class voter. The problem is that a great percentage of us blue-collar democrats hate having our votes discounted and we hate being treated with disrespect and we hate having our support taken for granted. So, while we thought it was our party we obviously made a mistake. But, many of us don’t want to be a part of a racist, classist, and thuggishly immature Democratic party.
I liked the Democratic Party that stood for equality for all, that stood for women’s rights, that stood by labor and veterans and for a society where civil rights were far more important than business rights. I liked the Democratic Party that wanted every vote to count, and every voter’s voice to be heard. It saddens me that the DNC is going to disenfranchise FL and MI and in doing so destroy the party I used to love. I don’t see how any Democrat wins the White House now, or in 4, 8, or 12 years — all the Democrats I know hate to be discounted and taken for granted. That’s why so many of them will never vote for Obama, because his campaign has bullied and dismissed as witches and bitches Hillary and her supporters and that’s a slight we won’t get over for quite some time.

DONNA:
> We have to work it out. They made the decision to opt out of the rules. So, we
> need to find a solution.
>
> No need to overturn the rules now. Especially since both candidates cannot
> agree on a formula.

ME:
Except that Sen. Obama will never agree to any solution to MI and FL that means people get to actually have a say in the nominee, and by taking that stance and by the DNC allowing him to deny revotes FL and MI are lost as electoral wins for several election cycles, at least.
The DNC is punishing party leadership in FL and MI by discounting Democratic constituents. Do you see how that will destroy the party? Those Floridians and Michigonians, who had no say, whatsoever, on when the primaries were held are just going to decide they no longer want to be Democrats because the Democratic Party no longer represent them. In fact, many of us Washingtonians, Californians, New Yorkers, Massachusettsians, etc., we’re going to do the same thing, too.
In WA state the Democratic Party leadership chose to have a caucus, while the state legislature chose to have a primary. By the DNC choosing to “count” the caucus votes instead of the primary votes they chose the young and unencumbered over the working class. Again, Democrats on the ground had no say in that. And, for me, going to a caucus and having to endure the Obama brand of thuggery was distasteful, scary and I doubt I’ll ever do it again. We get that you don’t want us in the party…I just don’t get why not. We have been a reliable and solid voting constituent, and maybe you thought we were used to being treated like crap so we wouldn’t notice when the Democratic Party did it — but we have.
In your statement to George Stephanopoulis, yesterday, you suggested it has been worked out. How? I’m curious.

DONNA:
> We will work it out as soon as the primary season is over and no one is
> screaming foul.
We will work it out after it doesn’t matter? Is that what she means? Kind of ilke: You all just simmer down and let us bosses decide, then later after it’s over, we’ll let you know how you re going to vote, because all you rabble rousers are just too emotional to deal with this rationally.
I truly detest Donna Brazille. I used to just think she was really, really stupid, but I thnk she is bent on destroying this country.
My first and last inpression of Donna Brazille is that she is really, really stupid and got many favors to get where she is at today.
I say last impression because a couple times of seeing her idiot mouth flapping crap and I just switch the channel from now on. Life is too precious to waste on the nonsense and on people talking crap.
ginaswo Thanks for the very telling post.
No one will be screaming foul?
Your point went right over her head!
People will be voting with their feet and the primary season is going to the Convention floor.
She is a very disingenuous perp. ( not the words I really am saying but..polite conversation and all…
Beware a new talking point, that may be revealing a new strategy by the DNC and the Dem Elite to end this… there are comments floating around today that the “delegates needed” number needs to be adjusted DOWNWARD since Florida and Michigan were disqualified. In other words… help Obama reach the number first, thereby ending things.
I’m really really in shock that Pelosi, Dean, et al, would believe it’s a great idea to foist a nominee on his that skated through the primary by gaming small caucus states, and losing the states that are actually IMPORTANT in the GE. I believe that Howard Dean is so in love with his “50 State Strategy” that he’d do anything to make it look like a success, even if it means we get another empty suit in the GE. There is a reason why the big state strategy works against the GOP, but hard-headed Dean and his cohorts think they know better. Such folly.
Here’s my protest unless FL and MI are taken care of before PA.
Have any, ANY of the democratic leadership said……”Yes, the voters of Florida and Michigan must have their votes counted”! NO! They worry about offending the candidates, the hell with us voters.
Thousands of voters have been disenfranchised because Howard Dean and the DNC wanted S.C. to vote before Florida so African Americans would be in a position to carry more weight in choosing a candidate.
Should 11% of our population have that power? Is this democratic?
Why should the candidates have a say in settling the Fla./Mich. fiasco? The Obama campaign has already proven they will do anything to win, there is no way Obama will agree to have Florida/Michigan votes counted.
Dean and Brazile should apologize to voters in Florida/Mich. and admit….WE HAVE SCREWED THIS UP…and count the votes.
We are 74 yrs. lifelong democrats, totally disgusted with dem. leadership. This primary has exposed the corrupted democratic party system of choosing a nominee and the careless attitude leadership has towards voters and telling the truth.