So I Am a Racist?
By Larry Johnson on March 31, 2008 at 10:25 PM in Current Affairs
From the blog whose name we do not speak comes the charge that I’m the new Grand Dragon of the KKK. Why? Because I had the audacity of hope that progressive bloggers could understand how Barack Obama’s ties to Jeremiah Wright poses significant challenges for him should he be the Democratic nominee for President. My piece, The “Wrong Nigga to Fuck Wit” Dilemma for Barack, was inspired by Barack’s new pastor, Otis Moss.
It seems that Otis was defending the reputation of Jeremiah Wright on Easter Sunday and insisting that this was an electronic lynching of Wright. About seven minutes into part III of the video of that sermon Moss states:
“If I was Ice Cube, I’d say it a little differently. You picked the wrong folk to mess with!”
UPDATED (Here’s the video thanks to C.S.):
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Pastor Moss cleaned up Ice Cube’s “Wrong Nigga” song for polite company but there is no doubt about his meaning. This in turn inspired my article about the problems Wright’s relationship with Obama creates for the Senator’s quest to become President.
The video of Jeremiah Wright screaming “goddamn America” and referring to this country as the KKK United States may play well at some urban African American churches, but it repels and inflames most Americans. Let’s not forget that the Republicans used one off-hand comment by Michael Dukakis about not wanting the death penalty for a man who raped his wife and combined it with the visage of Willie Horton. The rest is history.
And how about that wild scream of Howard Dean? Hell, we are still hearing that baby and he is not running for anything. So if you believe that the Jeremiah Wright condemnation of this country while Barack Obama is calling him “uncle” and an influential adviser will have no weight in the fall election you are a certifiable loon. But we are not talking simply one minor video taken out of context. The Wright material is voluminous. You may believe it will not matter but you are wrong. You may believe you can catch a 300 pound safe dropped from the top of a thirty story building, but if you are standing below it you will be squashed. You may believe that the surge in Iraq is working, but that does not heal the sectarian strife. Your belief does not change reality. This is not faith based politics.
And Uncle Jeremiah is just the start of Obama’s woes. There is his friendship with the unrepentant terrorist, William Ayers. There is his mentor and fund raiser, Tony Rezko, who is facing significant felony charges. There is the video of Barack not putting his hand over his heart during a pledge of allegiance. And there is the silliness about him not wearing the flag pin.
These will be weaved together in one fashion or another. The Clinton campaign is largely shying away from them. But some of us who support Hillary and want a President other than John McCain (or any Republican for that matter) come November are alarmed by the looming disaster represented by the Barack candidacy.
The man is a wimp. Pure and simple. He may be smart and articulate, but he is not a man of great character or courage. The true essence of Barack was exposed most recently in his staunch refusal to allow the registered democrats in Michigan and Florida to vote in a recognized primary election. He is afraid to lose. It is that simple. When it comes to the principle of Democracy or political self-preservation, he chooses self over democracy.
Well no thank you. We already have a President who trashes the Constitution, ignores habeus corpus, and tolerates torture. We have a President who puts his own interest above the welfare of his country. We do not need another. So if pointing out the inadequacies, incompetence, and poor judgment of Barack Obama makes me a racist, then I am guilty as charged.
But Barry Obama’s limited political experience, foolishness in surrounding himself with radical leftists and anti-semites, and recklessness in associating with the likes of Tony Rezko has nothing to do with him being black. My complaints about Barack have nothing to do with the color of his skin but everything to do with the content of his character. Black people are no more likely to be foolish or reckless than white people. The former governors of New Jersey and New York proved that point beyond a doubt.
It is Barack who is playing the race card and trying to immunize himself against political attacks by insinuating that any criticism of him and his record is racially motivated. As Bud White pointed out earlier today Barack’s use of terms like “bamboozle” and “hoodwink” had no other purpose than to insert race as a weapon into the race. Nonetheless, I do not accuse Barack of racism. I accuse him of not being smart enough or seasoned enough to be President. For a smart guy who takes pride in his academic accomplishments he showed serious shortcomings in judgment by hanging with a pastor that cursed America and buddying up with an American born and bred terrorist who lamented not planting more bombs. It is Barack’s inability to recognize the danger inherent in having friends with such extreme positions that scares me. And it should be a source of concern for every American who will vote to select our next Chief Executive.
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Larry,
Being called a racist by this bunch should be a badge of honor. Take a look at the actual post below I pulled off another blog today. These assholes think that John McCain wasn’t really a POW, he was only being punished for murdering innocent people in Vietnam.
Where in the fuck do these people crawl out from under their rocks from? It’s just God awful and I cannot understand this crap. I don’t care which party you belong to or your politics, John McCain has earned a modicum of respect.
Asshole post about why the media loves McCain:
“Because they are afraid of him: afraid if they go after him, his b.s. war hero image will make them look like some kind of quasi-traitor; and afraid of him physically since he’s a well known thug and intimidator. Never mind he’s an old man, they still think he will literally kick their asses.
McCain is the emobidment of pathological American denial. Denial of our wretched mistakes in the past (and, conversely, the romanticizing of them — McCain wasn’t really bombing and murdering innocent people in Vietnam and being brutally punished for it, he was ONLY being a brave POW who endured), denial of our wretched mistakes in the present (his and our massive aiding of them), and hope that we can continue to deny them in the future (so we don’t have to really do the hard and critical and often ugly work of genuinely changing for the better). His appeal is founded ENTIRELY on falsehoods of the highest order. And the childish wish (greatly at odds with functioning democracy) to be protected by a tough daddy.
The hard truth is McCain was shot down murdering people in a war of aggression. There isn’t a chance in hell that McCain wouldn’t want to execute any foreign fighter doing the same here that he did in Vietnam. Get him to attempt to face that awful irony and we might be on to something real. Short of that, he’s going to be treated as if he’s not actually John McCain, but some wax figure of “honor” created in the illusion of an image.”
Holy Shit! Where did those comments about McCain come from, Ayers?
I mean seriously… I protested against the Vietnam war. But I never protested the soldiers that came back home. I had too much respect for what they did even though i didn’t agree with what they had to do.
Whatever else someone might say about John McCain, he is an honest American hero and I respect him for that. I think he is bat shit crazy about Iraq but I respect his service and his sacrifice for our country.
These folks that write that shit are bonkers. Total loons. Dangerous loons.
Posted as a comment on TalkLeft by some douchebag calling himself “Dadler”. I was so shocked I copied it before it could be deleted.
Bonkers, total dangerous loons is too charitable!
And deleted it would be. Talkleft has had a bunch of Obamatrons trying to infiltrate lately. What is with these people? There are a multitude of blogs that day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute kiss the ass of their anointed one. Why must they try to infest the few blogs that support Hillary Clinton with their filth?
Jeralyn is an unabashed Hillary supporter and while BTD is an Obama supporter (tepid) they are both fair. Why is that so frightening for these kooks?
Hey, Larry just took ownership of the race issue away from the Obama campaign.
Impressive.
Agree, Simon. Bravo, Larry!!!
Perhaps the Reagan Democrats will see Obama as the real bamboozler.
And posters trashing McCain’s service so radically will bring down the Democratic Party in November.
Foolish, foolish people.
The Dadler…..he is sort of an original, he sure isn’t a photocopy of anything I’ve run across before
Is he really now?
He was a lousy pilot as his moniker ‘Reverse Ace’ McCain shows, Google it if you wanna know I don’t have time to explain that to you, and I for one am sick an fucking tired of hearing all about ‘war heroes’ and frikin’ Generals who will say anything, anything to get that next star. The idea that some assclown ’served’ and wore a uniform and therefore:
MUST DESERVE OUR RESPECT IS STUPIDITY OF THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
Look where it gets us pal. Colin ‘My Lai’ Powell lying to the UN. Did ya already forget that. Generul ‘Betrayus’ lying to Congress.
And fools like you keep yelling for more Kool-Aide to drink.
Bah!
Crawl back under yer rotten piss-stained bridge Mr. Troll.
You damn right he’s due some respect. If you can’t admit that then you are one sick asshole.
The day you explain anything about war to me it’ll be a cold day in hell. I put in my combat time. So go straight to hell you stupid sanctimonious prick.
Ralph,
You’ve hit on a nerve. While there are some on the right who have questioned McCain’s conduct in combat, you are spot on that this is something the left absolutely cannot do without opening themselves up.
Those who have been in war, like yourself, earned the right to criticize McCain if you choose. But civilians, at least when it comes to the question of his conduct as a pilot or a prisoner, ought to button it and say nothing. He served and for that alone he deserves credit. The same applies to every man and woman who have worn the uniform. They deserve our respect and gratitude.
Best
LJ
I disagree. Because we are thinking of making this man the most powerful person in the world we have an obligation to look at his record. What I find troubling is the evidence of life long recklessness and impuliveness which is still evident in his lack of control over McCain’s infamous temper and his mouth. He was this way before becoming a POW so it seems to be a consistent character trait. He was also a notorious womanizer and if the NYTimes report is correct is still reckless. Whether or not he had an affair, the fact that he publicly hung around with that woman knowing he wanted to be president is a sign of poor judgment, given the fact that the media knows his history with women, even if the public does not. (He dumped his first wife even though she waited for him to return from Vietnam and was recovering from terrible injuries from a traffic accident. He married Cindy shortly after his divorce was final. He entertains his media buddies - who were so appalled by Clinton’s dalliances - with stories about his old stripper girlfriends.)
For me this does not take away from his ability to withstand the years as a POW and be able to return to a productive life. I find that incredibly impressive and inspiring. It does not, however, mean he should get a pass on everything else if he wants to be considered for president. This election is about the future welfare of our country and the world.
I don’t think Larry is advocating for giving McCain a pass on everything. His argument is that those of us who have not served (like me) should refrain from attacking his actions while in uniform. I think this is not only correct, but wise. If these types of attacks come from the left they help paint democrats as the America hating fools which the Right has always said we were.
I must respectfully disagree. Your position reminds me of the old saw that “unless you vote you have no right to criticize.” In a system in which the candidates for whom you might vote are narrowed down to McCain and Clinton, or McCain and Obama, making it a prerequisite to vote for one of them, when you can’t really support any of them, in order to criticize our nation’s politics is, frankly, ludicrous.
Saying that only those who’ve been in the military have the right to criticize another veteran for his or service is equally disengenuous. We are all supposed to be rational, thinking adults here. Don’t tell me I have no right to criticize Lynndie England, Charles Graner, Janis Karpinski? How about Colin Powell and Charlie Company?
There is no blanket rule of respect and gratitude that applies to military veterans. If we’re honest we’d admit that the majority of the volunteer army enlists because of the lack of economic opportunity elsewhere. I think we owe sympathy for the lack of economic opportunity along with the piss-poor treatment the physically and psychologically injured soldiers receive upon returning home. But the military is not something to glorify. It’s a necessary evil, and I feel damn sorry for those who’ve fallen victim to Smedley Butler’s dictum under the Bush administration.
Acitizen also posts over a talkleft. He’s an equal opportunity hater. Apparently no one is good enough for him… he refers to Obama as the Magic Man and calls Clinton Sister Beezlebub (which I believe is spelled wrong, but that would go with the moronic views)
I am sorry some on the ‘neoleft’ cant understand the respect due our men a d women who served. My Dad served in Vietnam and deserved a hexl of a lot better than the treatment he got when he came home. If these schmuxks cant understand the HONOR and LOYALTY due these brave men and women THEY can take a walk far far away from the Dem base; if yu dont you can be sure the Dem base will be walking far far away from you weak elites. We LOVE our country, we LOVE our troops, BACK OFF you weak neoliberal neoprogressive schmuxks. You have NO RIGHT to talk down to our men and women who served and serve.
And exactly when and where have you laid your life, or that of a loved one, on the line for our country?
Larry is by far THE most patient and fair of all the former intelligence officials. He may yell at ME for this - but get lost scumbag. You do not have the moral capablility of the average 9 year old American.
A book called “passages” will help you determine if you even belong to the Human Race.
…..Look where it gets us pal. Colin ‘My Lai’ Powell lying to the UN…..
Whew! Yes, indeed! Colin told a BIG whopper to the UN, didn’t he? I mean he at least could have asked my permission before he took the liberty of telling such a bold faced lie — complete with a photo that looked soooooo familiar.
It’s a free country, you don’t have to respect anyone if you don’t want to. I respect McCain’s service though and I will defend my right to do so. As for crawling back under yer piss-stained bridge Mr. Troll…I wish you would. I’ll even say please.
This is exactly the Rev Wright type of work. The far left is just as batty as the far right and in tactics, they are the same.
Your ignorance of history is staggering. Regardless of your position on the Vietnam War, John McCain was shot down, imprisioned as a POW, and endured years of torture. That is no false claim. Having been subjected to torture, he has been a voice in the Senate against torture. I am not a McCain supporter, but I do respect his service and do not doubt that he believed then and now that he was serving his country. I don’t know whether you are old enough to remember Vietnam, but I do. Some citizen chose to serve in the military, some were conscientous objectors and served in alternative services and some left the country to avoid military service. They all made decisions they thought were right. You can oppose a candidate’s political position, but at least get your facts right.
Funny how soldiers from every ethinicity, religious belief, and political belief and affiliation are all serving together and serving the United States of America this very minute! There are the doers and then there are the opinionated and the holier than thou.
Hey, if you did not row the boat — what gives you experience to critisize McCain and his and my fellow pilots and ship mates who had the guts to help save U.S.A. AND allies! How can you beleive in Obama who has no effective practical experience and is essentially a phony who had most of his books and lectures ghost written. You may want to check into any practicle experience he and his followers claim they have. Any one with world practicle experience may have recognized Reverand Wright for the hateful Race Mongering man he was/and still is! Obama still supports THE CHURCH REV. WRIGHT CLAIMS TO HAVE BUILT! Just like other black churches it seems to have been BUILT UPON A FOUNDATION OF HATE for White Christians! Do any of you know if it may be changing to any degree even if very slowly! If so how and what is its new pastors name and prime theme and do you know where we can obtain copies of his most recent sermons
McCain’s appeal is not based on falsehoods. He graduated at the bottom of his class, crashed five planes, and spent the same number of years in a prison which limited the damage he did to the enemy in said imperialist adventure. What’s wrong with that?
I have a problem with pilots. They are like singers - soloists — more than a tad too full of themselves. While age doesn’t cure this, full-of-ones-selfness does become tempered with other vices — and virtues. Recklessness (in moderation) is not a disqualifier. He is clearly not so reckless as to take on the Regimists head to head - at least not repeatedly. Those five months campaigning in 2004 reinforced the lessons of those five years in Hanoi. This is a man who knows how and when to bide his time.
To hell with race and gender. I am going with an ageist rationale [rationalization??] for considering McCain if Obama is the nominee. In spite of the example of Dick Cheney, I will choose to Hope® and Believe® that time has done its thing to McCain’s hard-on for power.
Exactly! Being called racist by this gang of freaks is a true badge of honor! Come November, if Obama is the nominee, this life-long Democrat is voting for McCain. At that stage I have a moral obligation to vote for someone who took a bullet and then some for this country. What has Obama ever done for the nation? He won’t even recite the Pledge of Allegiance!
If that Geekesque fool and the rest of the Cultists don’t understand your very clear position that only makes them the fools. And we can all laugh at the dumb asses.
Geez, are they really reading No Quarter.
I certainly hope they are reading my comments.
I am not going to vote for Barack Obama.
Me either mimi.
Me either Mimi and Fleaflicker.
me either Mimi, Fleaflicker and Andy
me either Mimi, Fleaflicker and Andy
me either Mimi, Fleaflicker,Andy and ginaswo
me neither Mimi, Fleaflicker, Andy and ginaswo.
Me, either, mimi.
And I won’t vote a democratic down ticket, either, if there is a connection to Obama, or Pelosi.
I will vote for any Clinton supporter, down ticket, though.
And I will not vote republican, either, so I guess I’ll be looking for those independent of big big money.
I’m not voting for him either–I see President Obama as GWB and Jimmy Carter rolled into one. And for grins, he going to get the electoral votes of McGovern.
No Barry Hussein for me as well. I’m writing in Hillary and sending in a charred bra with my ballot.
Add me to that list of not voting for Obama - no way, no how. I used to have some respect for him - that is long, long gone. His arrogance, his sexism, his taking credit where credit is NOT due, and yes - his constant use of the race card, beginning with the Clintons = have all turned me against him. I simply do not understand how the DNC keeps pushing this guy, and how he keeps getting these endorsements. One would have thought Obama standind by while McPeak compared Bill Clinton to McCarthy might have turned them off JUST a tad, not to mention all of the above…And throw in Wright for good measure…
So, Mr. Johnson - if you’re a racist for actually acknowledging Obama’s shortcomings and tactics, I guess that makes me one, too, according to these people’s standards.
Hmmm - I wonder what their standards are for sexism? They seem to have a MUCH higher tolerance for that than I do…
ditto
Also with you.
… me either.
Or my relatives. Take it to the bank.
At first, it was because I honestly have such low opinion of Obama.
Now, it is because that opinion has spread to Pelosi and the Gang. I will do whatever it takes to see them go as well.
I have been not going to vote for Obama before anyone else was going to not vote for Obama!!!!
Okay, you win!
As much as I sympathize, you need to also weigh the risks of a McCain presidency.
1)We already have a Supreme Court controlled by five conservatives, four of whom are far right. (And all of whom are Roman Catholics, by the way. As a person who was raised Catholic, I am not anti-Catholic, but I find it weird that no one seems to know that our Supreme Court is controlled by people from one religion. But I digress.) If McCain appoints another Thomas/Scalia clone it will be years before the damage can be undone. If Democrats win big in Congress maybe they will stand up to him, but I would not bet on it.
2)Another huge negative with McCain is that he is a clone of Bush economically if not more radical. His economic guru, Phil Gramm, is an extremist free market fundamentalist who bears a big share for our market meltdowns since he was the chief architect of deregulating the financial industry.
3)Then there is Iraq and Iran. I am not sure whether McCain is a neocon, but I was deeply troubled to hear that he was a long time supporter of Chalabi. And what is his attitude to Iran? (I am asking, since I have no idea.) Did he support our initial invasion of Iraq, except for his disagreement about the number of troops? Or does he just support it now that we are there?
On the other hand, there are potential upsides to a McCain presidency.
1) If McCain wins, the Republicans can no longer claim that the only way to win is by pandering to their right wing base, which should strengthen the moderates in the party -something that would be good for our country.
3)It is also possible that his tough guy attitude would be boon in dealing with Iraq and Iran, but it could also be that he is another reckless guy in the mold of Cheney. (Again, I really have no idea and would like to know.)
4)Another plus for a McCain presidency is that our country is in such a mess that there is a good chance that whomever is elected will be seen as a failure. That should finally drive a stake through the heart of Republican credibility. It is badly damaged now, but I would not count it out.
Then there is the good possibility that of Obama wins, he will be a huge disaster which could either wreck the Democratic party or finally make Democrats stop living in fairy tale land looking for their next Prince Charming. It would also make the media look bad, which might just finally wake the public up.
What will I do? I have no idea. It is extemely painful for me to contemplate not voting for the Democratic nominee, even though I think Obama may have the potential to be a good president in a few years, if he is able to grow up. I do not think he deserves a chance to do that in the White House.
In regard to the Supreme court, I see both McCain and Obama as controlled by the same money people.
In that regard, McCain will, though not certainly, show more independence.
All the other arguments are trite, same old that the democrats trot out, the politics of fear, if you will.
One look at Rezko, and his operation, his CONTROL of the IL governorship, and I know EXACTLY how Obama would operate a Presidency.
Blagojevich was Rezko’s stooge, Obama is, too.
And if you’re serious about your comment, Bernie, you should follow Rezko’s trial, and the FBI tapes, to gain a better idea of HOW Obama operates.
Informed voters cannot vote for Obama.
I don’t recall reading any comments upstream where ANYONE said they would support McCain. Only that we respect him.
i’ll vote for him. it’s the only way to keep obama out. no other reason is needed.
Give me a break!! If the Democrats think they can headfake me again with this bullshit they are wrong. Last time I checked, there is a candidate still in the race who has more experience, is more qualified and will represent the Democratic Party with distinction. Her name is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Too bad the Party felt compelled to shove this empty suit of a fraud down our throats.
This isn’t about Hillary. This about Obama, the DNCL: Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Leahy, Dodd, Reid, etc. ALL OF THEM. This is about the MSM and their disgusting bias.
I live in a blue state, so I’ll probably be able to sit on my vote. But let me tell you, I think the Party could be in for a real shock about my state and if it looks at all close with McCain having a chance to pull it out, I will vote for him as a Democrat and the next day I am changing my registration to Independent.
That’s how much I despise the Democratic Party and what they did this Primary Season. I especially despise the part where they are categorically REFUSING to accept the blame and are pointing the finger of blame solely at the Clintons with the MSM serving as their cheering section. I am so disgusted by this, it will not turn my stomach to vote for McCain if it comes down to it. And I’ve been a loyal Dem for eons.
They did this. And I don’t apprectiate these attempts to try to persuade me into Party Line loyalty. Like Richardson, they’re all a bunch of Judas’. As well as a bunch of self-serving, not-so-bright cowards.
SCOTUS whistle wont work this year. Obama blocked the Alito filibuster and planned to vote for Roberts before an aide advised him to reconsider as it would ‘haunt’ him. Yeah uh-huh.
First. I won’t vote for Obama. I won’t vote for McCain either. Either I will write in Hillary, or I will look at Nader, etc.
Second. I will work to defeat Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats in the Senate and House. If the Democratic Senate refuses to ratify extremist judges, then we don’t have a problem. Currently we have a bunch of sissies in the Senate who roll over every time Bush says “Boo”
Same with the economy, and the war. The time for Democrats to squeal about Bush invading Iraq is really winding down. Time to stop funding. They are a bunch of enablers.
Basically, I do not think Obama has any more spine or conscience than a worm. He will do what ever is expedient as President. I do not have a lot of faith in his judgement when it comes to judges, considering his comments about Roberts.
I do not believe Obama loves this country like I know Hilary does. He is not a true Democrat and I owe him no allegience. Otherwise why is he the one always threatening to withhold support for the Democratic candidate if it is not him? No one has ever heard Hillary Clinton say she will not support the Democratic candidate. She is a loyal Democrat through and through.
I was a loyal Democrat, too. But, I am tired of being treated as a lesser Democrat after 35 years of loyalty. I will support whoever I think will work for the ideals I hold dear. Obama is not that person.
Idem….that makes me, an AA, one too!
I do not know if I will vote for him. But when Obama asks for my vote, I know I will ask Obama, “What have you done for me lately?”
check out the site stopobama.com it has a list of all of his NON accomplishments as a civil rights lawyer…suprise, another embellishment to add to his pretend resume’.
what happened to that site? I goto stopobama.com and I get sent to Google.com. What is he so privileged that we can’t even see a site like that?
Try audacityofhypocracy.com
or questionbarackobama.blogspot.com
Possibly you’re looking for
http://www.stop-obama.org/
Me neither Mimi
me either Mimi..i will vote Mickey Mouse!! as many of us dems in Fla will be doing in Nov!!
But my hubby may vote McCain as my husband was in the reserves during the Vietnam war..and he does respect McCain..
and he does not like anything about Obama..so it is either Hillary or McCain in that order.. for my hubby..
me?? it is… Mickey Mouse 08
…and telling Dean and his idiots..we Floridians will not sit back and allow the Dems to steal our votes!
Not now , not ever!!
We have had enough here in Fla!!
Excellent piece, Larry. The thing is, once Obama and his minions started race-baiting, any utterance of criticism about Obama will be labeled racist. I’m pasting here a response to White’s piece at MYDD by someone who goes by esmense, which I think is very interesting, especially the comments about Josh Marshall et al.
————————————————————”The race baiting used by the Obama campaign is more subtle (dog whistle) — more like that used by Helms in his many campaigns, for example, his famous “white hands” ads. (Wallace’s racist appeals were comparatively straight-forward, Helms’ efforts always provided a little more deniability.)
I hate to disillusion Obama’s supporters, especially the young and idealistic, but this has been an intentional strategy of Obama’s campaign operatives; Axelrod and Gibbs. Although he would probably deny it now, I got direct confirmation of what the campaign was doing (and the fact that it was coming from the campaign itself, a strategic gambit — not just supporters running off the reservation), from Josh Marshall way back in February when I first noticed what was happening and emailed him expressing my concern for how some of the race-baiting his supporters were indulging in could hurt the campaign and its message of “unity.” (I was an Obama supporter at the time.)
Gibbs, Obama’s Communication’s Director, is the man who produced the notorious Osama bin laden ads against Howard Dean in 2004. Both Gibbs and Axelrod have made reputations as masters of the darker side of political communication — experts at playing on fear and prejudice. In 2004, it was shocking and totally unexpected that Democrats would attack another Democrat using the kind of fear mongering and prejudice the Osama bin laden ads represented — but it was very effective. Even more shocking and unbelievable is the idea that a Democratic presidential candidate — most especially an African American one — would race bait his opponent. But, that unexpectedness, and unbelievableness, is part of what has made it effective.”
And these princes of darkness have the audacity to blame this on Hillary. And then act as if what is being done is dirty politics that no one has done before. When I saw that Obama had hired Gibbs I knew this stuff would be happening and that the “new politics of hope” was a load of hype.
Actually Hillary Clinton would be the only one they could use this “strategy” on. She wouldn’t get any sympathy (and hasn’t) from the pro-Obama press nor the Fake News group. She would be out there on her own complaining and when she would be blasted as “who does she think she is considering….”
Did this race stuff start up when Edwards got out of the race, because that made it even easier for Obama.
I feel slimed just writing about it.
So Obama has hired Gibbs and Dick Morris. Doesn’t make him sound all that progressive to me. Soiunds more like someone who will do anything to win. Even destroy the Democratic Party if he must. Now that Dick Morris has made his hatred of the left very very clear, I can’t believe a Democrat would come within 10 feet of that guy — much less shell out millions to have him meddle in the Kenyan elections for Obama’s cousin.
If Obama has hired Dick Morris then all the (nit)wits in Left Blogostan are going to have to turn themselves inside out to explain why. Left Blogostan used to loathe his very name. But then they used to loathe Pelosi, Daschle and a host of others who are no longer ridiculed and hated cause they support the “one”.
But flipfloppin has become a way of life over there. Joe Wilson and Wes Clark used to be heroes as did John Murtha. Now, not so much. Supporting Hillary Clinton is a sure fire way to earn the vitriole of the New Refined Left where only Obamatrons are welcome and only they who praise his name are worth listening to.
But Obama camp introduced race baiting, and was given every chance to back away from the issue.\
IMO, they overplayed their hand, at this point the only people affected by the issue of race, the only ones who believe it are Obama’s bots.
In that regard, Obama HANDED the issue to Clinton, or the Republicans, and really, Clinton, if she chose, can play it like the Republicans would, with a clear conscience.
Wright already believes he’s a victim.
Dick Morris, and the other ops are simply overrated, all gas, all stupid, ivy league pompous, and ivy league DUMB.
Obama is simply a half wit.
I dont see it as effective, and this is where interpretation gets dicey.
I see it as having backfired, in fact the attempt to control the issue having highlighted Obama as an incompetent black man.
People drown in their own spin, same as Bush.
What’s real?
Me neither.
I wonder if that reality has sunk in with them yet, or if they still think we’ll kiss and make up after they’ve called us racists, etc.
There’s not enough time to take apart your post right now, Larry, but I’ll say one thing…
“And how about that wild scream of Howard Dean? Hell, we are still hearing that baby and he is not running for anything. So if you believe that the Jeremiah Wright condemnation of this country while Barack Obama is calling him “uncle” and an influential adviser will have no weight in the fall election you are a certifiable loon.”
Difference: Dean’s Scream came after he lost Iowa, and it did help his campaign go completely to the crapper. With the Obama/Wright situation, however, Obama responded with one of the most powerful speeches ever by a presidential candidate, and the public has responded by raising his poll numbers. So the two situations have 360 degrees of difference between them.
And if you think Obama is a wimp, uhm, did you hear his speech in response to all the racist charges that folks like you have thrown in his face? He spoke to America like we’re adults about race relations, Larry. Unfortunately, childrne like you can’t see beyond your nose and actually talk honestly about race — you’ll just continuing hammering at Wright’s soundbites without wrapping your feeble little mind about any of the context. All because you want Hillary to be president. And I doubt you feel any shame for your actions.
Obama has weathered the storm, Larry. And many news cycles have passed and guess what? He’s still in the race, and most normal Americans said, “Hey! You know, I don’t agree with my pastor/priest 100% either!” So give it up. Unless you want to further show the blogosphere just how much of a race baiting hack you are.
You’ve got the time, you just don’t have the brains or the facts. Thanks for playing.
Right on in your response to TAS.
Tas wants to speak about “Obama’s Terrific Speech” which is just another plagarized piece of crap.
On March 18 2008 Bambi said:
Then there are these 1963 words from Martin Luther King:
http://www.wmich.edu/library/archives/mlk/q-a.html
And much of the rest of Obama’s speech?? Well it is a rehash of speech given by Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), at Yale University on March 30, 1992.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8736101.htm
So TAS, like his “Anointed One”, is incapable of any ORIGINAL thoughts or ideas - just has to rehash someone elses.
Larry is right - Low on brain power and Fact Challenged are apt descriptions for how they function from Obama on down.
Astroturfer is confused.
Poor thing.
The other thing I noticed, today, was the cadence of Obama’s speech, again, he sounds like he’s phoning it in, he could be reading the back of a cereal box with that “inspirational timbre” for all the emotion, and true heart, he feels.
And if you think Obama is a wimp, uhm, did
So, picture of Obama speaking on an upside down phone, two days ago, and now this troll by rote, the superficial non thinking Obama supporter, following another astroturf template, so confused he can’t stop spinning.
Get it?
Hey, troll bois, one more time, this time with feeling.
Can you read English? Or better yet, do you understand it? Larry’s point is that the Wright stuff won’t go away just because the mesmerized media is giving him a pass on this like everything else.
John Kennedy’s Catholic speech and Mitt Romney’s Mormon speech were very moving speeches. Obama’s Throw Grandma under the Bus because of my Crazy Uncle speech was disgusting and bland. it didn’t come from his heart. It came from his teleprompter.
Teak,
Isn’t it common knowledge that comprehension is a function of a literate person? Even birds can be taught to speak - but do they understand?
OT but I once had a bird that I taught to speak like the Three Stooges. It was hilarious.
Tweet tweet?
Yea I understand it, I graduated from Doctor DooLittle University…
Who’d I piss off? Man o’ man.
Still working on typing but hey what’s a musical geek programmer to do with all the humming birds in my fingers…
Teak
Give them flight!
Yeah.. his poll number go up when you oversample his voting base. Duh.
Yeah, then followed it up with a crack about “typical white people”. That’s all the context I need.
The pass he has been given by the media for that crack is reprehensible. If it was ANY other candidate they would have been asking for his resignation or demanding a Censure hearing at a minimum.
So, you think Obama has defused Wright with his speech? You think the media will not revisit Wright should he get the nomination?
There’s a bridge somewhere in Brooklyn for sale. Look into it.
I heard it was in forclosure.
LOL!
They definitely will. Karl Rove was eagerly laying it all out with Hannity last night. You could almost see the glee surrounding them in anticipation of going after Obama in the fall.
obama gave a damage control speech. it was ok, but not great. as predicted, the msm proclaimed it brilliant. chris matthews had another of those tingling up his leg moments. obama weathered the storm - temporarily - because the msm wanted him to.
that will change around september or october. and he will not and cannot weather the storm without the willing participation of the msm, which he will no longer have. the msm will suddenly notice the contradictions and lies and point them out. 527 ads will do the same.
those who do not drink koolaid will see right through the transparent attempt at damage control and the ludicrous claim to be some sort of racial healer and will recognize hypocrisy and lies for what they are. and obamaites will be shocked, shocked that people don’t see their guy as the second coming but rather as a phony, divisive, race-baiting, opportunistic, arrogant, jerk. there will be much rending of clothing and gnashing of teeth. and mccain will be president.
Actually, tas, what we learned from Obama in that speech was that he WAS present during Wright’s racist and hate-filled sermons.
And we learned that when Obama had told the media the previous week that he had never heard those comments, HE WAS LYING.
Anyone with listening/reading comprehension skills above 3rd graders understands that THAT was the main point of Obama’s “race speech.”
He admitted he LIED when he said he wasn’t there, and only gave that speech because he knew the slick lies weren’t working, since there were videos out there to prove they were lies.
Obama’s a LIAR. Now we all know.
The problem with this though is it wasn’t about race to begin with. He made it about race to keep African Americans and to get those that experience white guilt.
He pulled the race card once again with that speech.
The issue actually was the Black Liberation Theology and the Anti-Americanism. If race were an issue, it was on their side.
No speech can make me forget any of that not to mention the disrespectfulness towards a past President by gyrating his privates and ranting “riding dirty”. And don’t think we don’t know what riding dirty is either and exactly what he meant. (and in front of children, no less???)
Looks like it worked…he got you, sucker.
But don’t worry, now that the churrch and the speech made him black enough, now he’s trying to be whie enough.
“I wonder if that reality has sunk in with them yet, or if they still think we’ll kiss and make up after they’ve called us racists, etc.”
Guess what kiss? We ain’t making up — especially if you’re supporting Larry’s implication that Barack is a “nigga” then have the audacity to say that such language is not racist. In that case, the only thing I expect you to kiss is my ass.
And you have the :”audacity” to defend a certifiable hate-monger, antisemite anti-american called Jeremiah Wright and Obama’s life long association with him.
That is the real disgrace for Obama is running for the highest job in the land. His 20 years with Wright was not “just” as his pastor but as Obama himself described him as his “sounding-board”
his “moral compass” (you get that? his moral compass!!!!!). Obama’s chosen and sought “uncle”: that was Obama’s choice.
Obama is unelectable.
PS to “tas”
Problem is you have a short-circuit in your logic or have no critical thinking for Larry never made that implication.
You really need to learn how to read. You see plain English and somehow distort the very clear meaning right in front of you. Maybe there is something physically wrong with you. Please see a doctor for your own benefit. And ours.
kiss mine, child.
by the way, just thought of another ad that i fully expect to see. your guy obama said that he “doesn’t want them (his daughters) punished with a baby” - in response to some question about abortion. regardless of one’s views on the subject, that’s a terrific sound bite that will resonate oh so nicely with repubs. obama thinks, or claims to think, that he’ll get crossover votes -just another indication of his complete cluelessness.
http://www.blogsforjohnmccain.com/response-abortion-question-obama-says-young-women-should-not-be-punished-baby-video-33108
the only thing I expect you to kiss is my ass.
It’s not possible since your head is already occupying it.
“especially if you’re supporting Larry’s implication that Barack is a “nigga” then have the audacity to say that such language is not racist.”
The problem is he didn’t make that implication, and your continued lack of reading comprehension speaks of your understanding. You refuse to see the point, so there is little point in discussing it with you. When you are ready to engage this with some intellectual honesty then the conversation can go somewhere. If you want to argue your misinterpretations compounded by your hubris, then you’ll be alone.
TAS — The houseguest who comes to your house and craps on the floor.
Can’t do that - Would give us trench mouth!
no Otis the replacement to Wright ‘inferred’ that word with regards to BO in his Easter ’sermon’, did you even read the piece?
Larry..
You can’t hang out with Navy Seals or Spec Ops
guys like you do and be a Racist or they would kick your Ass..and stuff you in a Motar Tube..
As Usual..Your are Once Again AHEAD of the Issues..leading the Pack on Issues that need to be Exposed ..talked about..vetted..Like the Race problems everyone in America Knows really does exist..Black churchs over there..White Churchs over here..(altho I Love going to the Little Country church of My Friend the Pastor Manny..who happens to be Black)
Sweetest Spirit I ever saw..Hey..I Like clapping my Hands..I tyhink alot of White folks are missing out on a great time by not going to a Good ..Gospel Loving Black Church..
So Laryy..You found another Nut tree to shake..Lets see what Shakes Out..America needs to know what its Kids Listen to these day..
I think the Pastor Wrights and ICE CUBES Need to apologize for the Nasty things they have said..and the nasty language and Attitudes they are teaching Children..Apologize the The familys of ALL Color who ost Loved Ones on 9/11..
Apologized to the gang bangers who went out and got thier SAWOFFS..& A Of Ks..and killed someone because of your Preaching or Rap Music..apologize to the Black mothers..the women being abused..The Kids who have Parents like Ice Cube for role Models..
Clean the Dirt out of Your Own House..Its Up to YOU in the Black Community to End Your Own Racism..and racist remarks..
You are Not a RACIST Larry….No No..
You are a Far Sighted REALIST..A Voice in the WILDERNESS…TRUTH…
YOU SAID IT…..I READ IT..RIGHT ON..
“You can’t hang out with Navy Seals or Spec Ops
guys like you do and be a Racist or they would kick your Ass..and stuff you in a Motar Tube..”
Pat, ridiculous as always - there you go making definitive declarative statements. So - there are no racists among Spec Ops or the Seals? WTF does that have to do with Larry’s own question? LOL
He doesn’t need you to cheerlead for him.
Well, you know, you learn from the best.
Right, do0d?
Geek thinks everyone that doesn’t support Obama is a racist - just take a look at his diary history. Then again, don’t. Daily Kos is a cesspool.
Obama supporters are the new Khmer Rouge, gleefully obliterating their enemies in the name of “change.”
D’accord.
Who are these Obama bloggers? Are they being paid by the campaign? Someone should write a blog questioning this and referencing some of the hateful messages they are spreading around the internet.
I can’t wait to read the whole inside story–every last smarmy detail–of the whole Obama campaign. I know the Obama campaign is said to have 300 paid bloggers. I would LOVE to know what connections TPM, DK, etc., have with the Obama campaign beyond just puppy love.
sure seems like at least 300 - different names, different sites, but remarkably similar crap all over the place. do they think we’re stupid? oops, i forgot - yes, they do. they keep saying we’re old, stupid, uneducated, poor, racist, ready for the trash heap…i’m sure i’ve left some out. they say if we vote for mccain we are responsible for thousands of deaths in iraq. they say our time is past and we should hurry up and die (yes, i’ve seen that).
we make a point about a policy issue, say health insurance. they respond where are hillary’s tax returns. programmed little robots. pathetic.
they say we are the past and they are the future and therefore our opinions don’t matter. hate to tell them, but i’ve got, God willing, another 20 or 30 years, and my opinions do matter, as does my money - the dnc wants my votes and my money but thinks i’ll just eat whatever shit they push my way. they think wrong.
dean and pelosi and their crooked pals are in the same age group i am. so i’ll be around throughout whatever (hopefully short) time is left on their careers. if they had any sense, they’d realize that pissing off middle aged voters isn’t smart.
“they say our time is past and we should hurry up and die.”
I say good luck with that attitude. Especially because the latest study shows that their generation has a shorter life expectancy than ours. It’s a good bet that we’re going to outlive them.
LOL!!
hadn’t seen that study, but it makes me and my almost 60 years very happy. i look forward to watching them eat their words for decades to come.
That wouldn’t surprise me — that there are dozens and dozens of paid Obamabot bloggers. Those buzzards can hit a thread like a swarm. Some are hit and run experts — others will stay and try to shift the discussion away from the latest Obama scandle.
And none of them can write.
What were the odds of putting together a blogging team, with a collective IQ of 110?
Polly want a cracker?
Because Obama’s campaign sure doesnt have any.
Crackers, that is.
Other than Axlerod, Kerry and Dean.
And Obama.
Sorry…
Larry, I think you were being a bit of a provocateur in your post, insofar as you must’ve expected the charge of racism and didn’t perform any of the standard rhetorical tricks to curtail it. There’s wisdom in what you did but also folly, as is true of doing the opposite, the safe thing, in order to make one’s point.
Here’s how I really feel about this, as a reluctant Obama supporter (originally a Biden supporter, a Dodd supporter, then an Edwards supporter, I should add). I am supporting Obama because I appreciate his position on the war; I suspect he may’ve voted differently if he were in the Senate, but I think he’s best poised to make an argument against the war without stepping into the Kerry trap.
But there’s another reason I support Obama. I’m convinced his supporters will bolt the party and screw us under. At this point, I’m convinced Senators Clinton and Obama will both probably lose. But I’d like to inflict Obama on the Republicans and damage them as much as the idiots he has for supporters have damaged the Democratic Party. It’s really that simple.
You cannot mention the fact Barack Obama is black or make any allusion to his race without being a racist. It’s absolutely absurd. It’s damn near destroyed the Democratic Party, and I hope to launch this destructive wad of shit at the Republicans in the general. That’s the best I can hope for now.
Sorry, but I think your judgement (supporting a very weak candidate such as Obama–and he is VERY weak) and logic are faulty. I really don’t mean to be rude, but really why can’t you see that Hillary is by far the superior candidate? I don’t get why people like you are so muddled that you can’t see that her 2002 vote was NOT to go to war in Iraq.
Oh well…Obama will never be president.
Larry, as a clear-eyed, mostly dispassionate observer, I can only agree with everything you’ve written: it’s not the color of his skin, and it’s not even Pastor Wright’s ridiculous rantings, it’s BHO’s lack of judgement that makes him unsuitable to be president, vice president, and even a senator.
Realpolitik isn’t known for being logical; I’m acknowledging the emotionality that runs rampant in our political process.
Realpolitik explains why Obama stands a huge chance of losing in November, and it’s what Mr. Johnson has tried to talk about in bringing up the Wright matter.
I think Senator Clinton’s going to lose because charging sexism, when warranted or otherwise, has had little impact on the electorate overall. In other words: it’s easier to get away with being perceived as a sexist than being perceived as a racist. Obama’s game is going to take him all the way to the nomination and fail him in the general, I think, but Clinton’s won’t even get her the nomination.
If, of course, I’m right.
All I’m interested in is winning. If I become convinced we can’t win—which is the situation as I see it now—then I’m interested in damaging the enemy as much as we’ve damaged ourselves. The toxicity of the racism issue has already hurt the Democratic Party, as evidenced by supporters on both sides refusing to support the other in the general. I’d like to open up the Republicans to the damage we’ve suffered.
The greater point is Wright, and Farrakhan are filthy racist kooks, Larry, and Clinton have truth on their side, no matter HOW Camp Obama tires to spin it.
The Republicans, too, have truth on their side, when it comes to racism, and Obama’s exploitation of the issue.
IMO, the charges of racism thrown at Clinton, and at Larry, haven’t stuck because they’re false.
And Dick Morris?
Do you get the impression the man can’t tell what is real, and what is not, not able, in the least, to understand his opponent’s strategy?
If you understand that about him, and Camp Obama, it becomes much easier to play.
Blah, Blah,
You say Larry’s article was provocative? That he is the provocateur? Did his post illicit your game plan?
And you want to vote for Obama in order to inflict catastrophic damage upon the Republican Party so as to inflict irreparable damage upon Obama’s supporters of the Democratic Party?
Nothing like an Equal Opportunity Destroyer!
Is this like killing two birds with one stone?
After this plan of devastation has gloriously achieved its dual role and function, then what?
What has been accomplished for the country? Do we just limp along in tattered rags begging for some benevolent, unforeseen power to throw crumbs at us? Do we then all celebrate for a fraction of a second our momentary victory over two parties in complete disarray?
I’m not sure I would want to base my vote upon this criterion. I just don’t see how this would really benefit the country.
On the other hand maybe this idea is just a bunch of Blah,Blah - all for the sake of provocation.
Well, it’s what I think, at any rate: that we’re going to lose either way. So on whose head do I want this loss to lie?
Feel free to disagree.
What????!!!???
My reaction exactly…..
Well, always it is the Iraq war. What did he do after that? Did he continue his impassioned speech over and over again to stop the war or was it only made once? Then Obama is not a doer nor a fighter for what he believes is right.
On Wright, if you are bombarded with hate sermons, you end up hating the world and having chip on your shoulder. That is why some of Obama’s supporters are really full of venom, enjoying spitting it out to anybody who cross their way.
If Obama is very comfortable that he will win, why is he afraid of Mi and Fl?
As I see it, Obama is a puppet. On who is holding the strings must be terrified if Clinton wins. Like a movie star, it is the producer who calls the shots.
I won’t lionize Obama for his opposition to the Iraq War because, clearly, he didn’t face the same electoral test sitting senators and representatives did at the time of their voting. You’re correct he’s voted to continue the funding. To me, this issue isn’t a purity test so much as it’s an exercise in political reality.
John Kerry got killed on this issue for being “before it before he was against it.” I think Clinton runs the same risk to a larger degree.
I realize I’m being awfully cynical when it comes to my support for Obama, and this won’t endear me to Obama supporters or Clinton supporters. But I think I’m coming at the election from the same place of despair as anybody else, by this point. Oh, well. Nothing would please me more than to be proven wrong about our chances in November.
Blah blah,
I understand where you’re coming from. I definitely think we need a Democratic President in 2009. We just can’t survive McCain, a man who will continue the disastrous policies of Bush and Cheney.
But I actually have a sense that Clinton’s AUMF vote will help her against McCain. Again, somewhat counterintuitive, but think about how it makes her look like a person who takes national security seriously. She has shown that she will consider military action as Commander in Chief.
On the other side, Clinton is much more where the bulk of American voters are at the moment in terms of getting out of Iraq. So, she has the “seriousness” to vote for the AUMF, but the ability to recognize a CF when she sees one and to know that the goal is to get our troops outta there.
I believe this is how she’ll beat McCain - and one of the many reasons Obama won’t (the constant whining about racism is another, of course). Plus, she’s younger, smarter and much nicer to look at on the teevee.
I realize I’m being awfully cynical when it comes to my support for Obama
Blah,
I understand. I differ with you on the matter of November.
I’m not sure that we’ll have election.
I agree Cee Hussein, Who knows what George may do and if we do, it will be like an election I have never known. Eitherway,
It like looking into one of those 8 balls…and it saying “Reply hazy, try again”
Except I don’t know any Republican who is bothered by being called a racist.
Larry:
He cleaned it up b/c the Obama camp made sure of it: you know now that they realize the media is
paying attention to this.
So let me get this straight: Larry is racist if he dares indulge in the subject of calling out a person on his mis judgements, if you will, but all the folks who easily ignore the mis behavior are not? why are they able to do this? Could it be that “they” are the true racists, unable to acknowledge it w/in themselves, this has been my thought for a long time. A charge I level at the mainstream media et al. They don’t vet or criticize for fear of their own shadow. It was obvious from the beginning that the race charges came from his camp. Clear situation of projection. Larry, love your work. Keep it up.
You all better get used to it. Everyone’s goig to be called a racist before November’s come and gone.
Isn’t it nice how the unity candidate has opened the door for race relations and healing?
mimi–You are spot on.
We might even have to wear big “R”s on our chests like Hester wore her big “A”.
Welcome to Salem - Children!
I will wear my, “P,” (for Peckerwood) with pride. Been called a lot worse, including, “Infidel,” and, “gaijin,” on many occasions. Have those embroidered on golf shirts just to wear to the places where they say that sort of thing.
Have a, “Kill a Commie for Mommy,” T-shirt, too.
My mother, my cat and the IRS still love me. I assume that Jesus does, too.
I’m a democrat.
It’s the others that are traitors, as far as I’m concerned.
I’m not taking money from corporations, selling America, while enabling filthy criminals to the Presidency.
Right — and I was wondering WHEN did Donna Brazile know that Obama’s minister was a racist and that Obama is a racist?
SHE didn’t seem all that surprised that Obama was going to a racist church — WHY wasn’t she surprised. WHAT sort of church does she go to??
Doesn’t she realize how serious the charge against Obama is? HE has been attending a racist church with a minister who preaches some of the most extreme racists b.s. — and had this been John Doe (white guy) running for President with two years of experience as a US Senator — and John Doe went to the type of racist churches found in Northern Idaho. What a howl the media would raise (and RIGHTFULLY so).
So ’cause I’m white (sort of) and female and I REFUSE to vote for Obama — according to Obama I’m a racist?
This is the most idiotic election I’ve seen in my life time — and I started watching political conventions when I was a little kid.
Donna Brazile is CATHOLIC! So I’d love to know when and where she heard sermon’s and witnessed activities like those in Obama’s church. I am sure her archbishop is equally curious.
Northwest - good and thoughtful questions on the rest.
Alice Walker in the post I link below tels us today all white girls born in the USA are guilty of their racist inheritance and cannot sit across from world leaders without the guilt being visible, so I am now racist too, I join the Archie Bunker, TWP crowd and leave my liberal bleedin heart behind me
Oh Alice! You are just jealous cuz you never got to wear that blue dress!
Larry thank you for having the courage to speak out like you do. I’m with you all the way. If questioning Barack Obama’s judgement makes me a racist, well then for the fist time in my life I’m a racist and proud of it. I can never vote for this un-patriotic, arrogant, sexist man in my life. As far as I’m concerned he should not even be allowed in the Senate.
Sincerely,
Typical White Woman
Not only is he all of those things but he has zero accomplishments as a civil rights lawyer. He is an empty suit, let’s see no legislation as a state senator, no accomplishments and deriliction of duty in the U.S. Senate and no accomplishments on “the streets of south side Chicago”. It’s more than arrogance for me, he is not deserving of the highest office of the land.
Oh and for those reasons too. I can’t begin to name all the reasons I’m not voting for Obama. And, to think I liked this guy two months ago.
You should have cleaned up the language too, Larry, and not left yourself exposed to the racism charge. Sure, you are quoting other people, but you are providing ammunition which the opposition can use on you.
You seemed to recognize the concept when you counseled others not to attack McCain’s war record because they will be portrayed as anti-military.
IMHO you ought to dial back the rhetoric too. Hot language makes you feel good when you are writing it. Attacks attract and amuse readers of the site. But they also puts a smile on the faces of your adversaries.
You are handing them a gift that allows them to label you an extremist and to tell people to ignore everything you have said.
I think it’s a way of Larry rebelling and to say he won’t be intimidated by their race baiting.
Like Tina Fey saying “I’m a bitch. Deal with it.”
Because they’ll find ways to call Hillary, Bill and their supporters racist no matter what they do.
What that really accomplishes is get people to back off, not confront them, not do negative campaigning which they know is the most effective which is why they do it all the time, and look how well it’s been working for them.
Real bully techniques - but without them, and his cheating, lying and threatening, he’d be losing.
I wish Hillary and Bill would call them on this and fight back again. Yes, they get creamed by the media, but they cream them anyway. They have to keep fighting back, pointing out what they are doing. In addition to reminding people of the economy, health care, etc. You know - issues.
Larry isn’t running for office, Obama is. He’s the one that has more baggage than Lester Maddox and Strom Thurmond.
As far as language goes its mild compared to Obama’s racist and hate mongering associates like; Wright, Meeks, Moss and Phfleger.
These guys are in the David Duke category of scum bags and it doesn’t get worse than that.
All Larry did was point this out when most of well heeled liberal blogosphere was kissing Obama’s half-white ass and worshiping him as the messiah.
P.S. the GOP is going to have a field day painting liberals and progressives now as bunch of terrorist supporters, hypocrites and self-loathers because of their support of Wright.
Randy Newman, from Good Ole Boys:
Last night I saw Lester Maddox on a TV show
With some smart ass New York Jew
And the Jew laughed at Lester Maddox
And the audience laughed at Lester Maddox too
Well he may be a fool but he’s our fool
If they think they’re better than him they’re wrong
So I went to the park and I took some paper along
And that’s where I made this song
We talk real funny down here
We drink too much and we laugh too loud
We’re too dumb to make it in no Northern town
And we’re keepin’ the niggers down
We got no-necked oilmen from Texas
And good ol’ boys from Tennessee
And colleges men from LSU
Went in dumb. Come out dumb too
Hustlin’ ’round Atlanta in their alligator shoes
Gettin’ drunk every weekend at the barbecues
And they’re keepin’ the niggers down
CHORUS
We’re rednecks, rednecks
And we don’t know our ass from a hole in the ground
We’re rednecks, we’re rednecks
And we’re keeping the niggers down
Now your northern nigger’s a Negro
You see he’s got his dignity
Down here we’re too ignorant to realize
That the North has set the nigger free
Yes he’s free to be put in a cage
In Harlem in New York City
And he’s free to be put in a cage on the South-Side of Chicago
And the West-Side
And he’s free to be put in a cage in Hough in Cleveland
And he’s free to be put in a cage in East St. Louis
And he’s free to be put in a cage in Fillmore in San Francisco
And he’s free to be put in a cage in Roxbury in Boston
They’re gatherin’ ‘em up from miles around
Keepin’ the niggers down
I don’t know, reading it, you could easily exchange Lester Maddox for Jerimiah Wright, or Louis Farakkhan, couldn’t you?
And you could exchange a good ole boy for Dick Morris, they think the same way.
hehheh.
Do you seriously believe that if Larry dialed back the “rhetoric” and made his point quietly, calmly and honestly it would make a bit of difference to those who are looking to destroy anyone that doesn’t support Obama?
These cretins were willing to destroy the only successful Democratic Administration in the last 40 years to enhance their candidate. They are willing to call the Clinton’s and anyone else that disagrees with them “racist”. These people do not respect the truth or differing points of view. They are a lot like Republicans that way.
I can speak for no one but myself, but when I come to NQ it’s because I know that no one is gonna pussyfoot around and pretend that if we ask nicely, say pretty please, that the Obamatrons and their army of trolls will not be mean to us.
It’s like reaching across the aisle to make friends with a Republican. You can do it if you don’t figure you’re apt to be needing that hand again real soon. Or you can stomp them into the frakking sod and when they get up, knock them down again. Being nice, gets you run over and laying supine with tread marks up you back with this bunch.
Larry is perfectly comfortable with who he is and what he has REALLY REALLY accomplished, unlike Obama.
Larry got everyones attention and it is now being discussed more openly.
I’d say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Well Done Larry - and I NEVER want to be on your wrong side - I KNOW for a fact I’d lose.
Obama is the racist.
Obama is also a misogynist. The two go together.
Now that the black racism has been exposed — it must be made UnAmerican and unAcceptable.
Xenophobic is also another word to describe — fear, hatred and/or disgust for the “other”.
When the idiots at the Orange slime hole are confronted with truth and logic they can only yell one pre-programmed word from their leader — RACIST.
The GOP will use everything they have against Obama — because he was NEVER vetted by the Democrats. I wish I had the email about Obama that landed in my email box last summer — I only read part of the email and at the time I believed that the Republicans were spreading lies and rumors. Someone on the GOP side has been vetting Obama and they apparently have all sorts of dirt — in this email I remember reading about Obama’s church and his minister — and then something about the “truth” about Chicago Politics. The email was long and rambling and so far out/crazy that I deleted it. Ha — the email was correct about Obama’s church and minister.
It could be that some of the information, that we know to be true, about Obama’s associates and connections are so far out of the ordinary (white) person’s experience — that they just can’t believe that this sort of hatred has gone main stream in some parts of the African American culture.
I happened to have been in the Bay Area — Oakland when the Black Panthers first organized. As fate would have it I happened stumble onto the press conference held at an Oakland Jr. College in the summer of 1967. I was at the college and the door I needed to exit the building turned out to be the stage for the press conference. Suddenly there in front of me were all the Black Panthers plus the SF Bay Area media — covering the Press Conference.
Since I had grown up in fully integrated communities and schools I thought nothing of seeing the Press Conference — except that here were people I’d heard about on the news.
There was Black racism way back then — mostly in the younger generation. We watched the Black kids in buses leaning out of the windows yelling “Honky” (and worse) at anyone white.
The Black separatists are like the white separatists (skin heads) found in the Northwest (Idaho etc.) Both groups are Xenophobic. And both groups have leaders who exploit the racism to raise money and increase their power.
I’ve been informally following the Black separatist since my first exposure to the original Black Panthers so very long ago. It doesn’t surprise me that some of their message has gone mainstream in black churches.
Obama is simply not fit to be President of ALL Americans and he will NOT win the General Election. He is dangerous.
This Obama crap reminds me of a very long time ago when I studied Women Studies at SF State. I had Angela Davis as one of my professors and also another professor, a young AA woman who was married to an Angola Freedom runner. These were highly intelligent women, certainly not slackers by any means. They didn’t dramatize to magnify their politics, but BOY were they persuasive :-)and it was highly improbably that anyone would outrightly disagree with them when speaking or writing.
We had a myraid of lesbian separatist in there who wanted NOTHING to do with men whatsoever. I was straight and married so imagine trying to speak out in that climate. I learned very early on what it is like to try and co-exist with the far-left wing thought police. PERIOD!
I’m not sure I want to live in a country under that kind air floating around again. And that is why the Obama presidency is a nightmare for me.
A certain rigidity in philosophy, like William Kristol, say, and it crosses all ideological lines, women, black extremists, and republican neocons, for example.
It is very disturbing, and had far less to do with men, say, and more to do with those who think differently, challenging the group dogma.
And I was always perplexed by the stupid notion of “mommy wars.”
A bad mother is a bad mother whether she works, or not.
OTOH, a great mother is a great mother, whether she’s home with the kids, or not.
All that bickering has far more to do with individual insecurities, and a need to feel superior to other, than it does with the reality of child care.
If we were really serious, we’d have on site day care, and split days.
WOW~ Larry..
Do You Feel Better after that Therapy Session..?/
I feel like the Great Obama Himself just Enlightened
Us..Wish I Knew Yoga..think I will go find a GURU..
since its hard to find a good preacher these days..
Darn..I’m afraid to WRIGHT any more..Hate to Offend
Any of the WISE ONES..Counseling Us from ..The GREAT BEYOND..where they fill Obama dolls With helium and talk Funny..
Yes..I’m taking Deep Breaths Now…Dialing Back..Feeling my whole Body relax..
NOW…
FUCK OFF ETW…You don’t even Have a Clue..
Go Work for a year as security guard at some Max security prison..and come back and lecture us about
HOT LaNGUAGE & extremism..or Racism..
You don’t Have a Clue about the REAL World..and You don’t want anyone to bust your “Fuzzy” Little Bubble..
Calling Larry an “EXTREMIST”..God what an Armpit Ostrich you are ETW…
Grow Up..
Patrick
I love your armpit ostrich!! LOL
Thanks…I like your stuff to..
Hey MYIQ,
Me and Dennis are out looking for you bud. Come home, all is forgiven.
cbear
http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=465#more-465
Really good article about Obama, and the use of racism as a crutch, from stopobama.org.
The story is illustrated with the universal symbol for “handicapped” stenciled in black.
What symbol do you think they should use for a really stupid troll?
An ant with antlers?
Maybe we could find Obama’s PR nest, and embed it, so every time a troll post goes out, a faint hologram appears of an ant, with antlers.
They’ll never know.
Sort of like a viral indentifier , the kind they use to track user web activity, it can identify pattern, and kick in.
And, now that PH mentioned Special Ops, you know, someone said to me “they’re trained to die.”
And we admire them for that sacrifice, for their specialized function.
But somewhere along the line, in this war, it appears they were put in charge of State, and Planning, and they shouldn’t have been.
Maybe it’s the Blackwater effect.
They are not “trained to die”. They are trained to kill others quickly and effectively.
I understand, but I wanted to add to the discussion.
I do not subscribe to the hero status accorded a special ops, simply due to his position.
I have had the misfortune of knowing some real assholes, who have far more ego, than talent, who have done far more damage, than good, all under the badge of “special ops.”
And I think this is a result of the glorification of the position, and the self glorification, than with any real ability.
The truth can be brutal, and sometimes thinking needs to be realigned.
I understand what you are saying, but I look at this differently, and we will have to agree to disagree, here.
Which is not to denigrate those who do there jobs admirably, and courageously.
But this isn’t Rambo, and too many think this way, IMO.
Sounds like my mother with a can of RAID!
sensei also taught to strike in silence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido#Tenets
And that’s the problem with some, they assume, wrongly, like adolescent boys, ALL women are vulnerable.
That can be a fatal misconception, nowadays.
oh lord do I know this. my girl will, and does, chew my ass if I assume to take care of her problems out of line. I have some tasks I’m pretty suited for, and I’m given the room to do my good work there…but overstep it..and wham, I get a ego burst that makes life so much better.
That being said, I don’t know how many special ops you know, so your comment seems pretty sweeping. I don’t like sweeping comments generally speaking (sweeping comment in action here) because they are often based in singularities or anecdotal references.
what I know about bushido as teakwoodlite pointed to, dying for a cause is rather stupid. if I must then I must, but most people of the people I’ve ever known or been exposed to who have the “trained to die” mindset I believe you are referring to, are rather dense and selfish. They live in a glory in their own head alone.
I am with LJ on this, that training is about swift effective response. in my training I sought to be the most effective defensive fighter I could be. my goal was to preserve life and I was given specific goals by my oath to my training under my sifu.
Avoid before Check
Check before Block
Block before Hurt
Hurt before Injure
Injure before Maim
Maim before Kill
Kill before Die
There are many good stories about honorable fighters in our tradition and none of them involves being trained to die in the sense you mean it. The awareness of one’s own death before any combat is essential to understand the need to preserve life.
(note: all failings in my understanding are my own, and wisdom is borrowed from my teachers)
MLK said: have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
In judging ones content of their character, requires one to see not by their words, of which Obama has many, but by their actions, of which Obama has very few and the ones that stand out to being questioned upon are a true measure in judging his character by his responses to them! His long time associations and his ability to turn critism of his actions or lack thereof into Obama playing an old switch-a-roo of being a victim not only of the color of his skin, but a victim of his surrogates, other countries misunderstandings and his opponents to name a few!
The only thing which differs between Obama and Bush using such tactics is Bush is white and relatively stupid, Obama is black and relatively smart!
Judging a persons character is far from being racist, unless the person being judged choses to use that lowest of betrayals against the soul of America’s original sin as a distraction from the truth about their true character which they cannot defend!
I say before this primary is decided, we will, all of us who won’t endorse Obama, be exposed as racists.
so be it. obamabots can call me anything they like. i’ll still vote for mccain. if mccain drops out and is replaced by tiger woods, i’ll vote for him. what i will NEVER do is vote for obama.
Won’t be the first time some pinhead has called me names.
But ya got to wonder, who’s the racist? Someone that seems to obsess about it or someone like me that doesn’t give a crap about the color of some one’s skin? Racism, like all the other isms is stupid. Just damn stupid. It’s like hating someone for the color of their eyes or the color of their hair or for being tall or short. None of us got any options before we were born about any of that stuff.
Racism and sexism and all the other little nastiness that some folks hide deep in their soul will go away when enough people don’t just recognize it as evil but as rock bottom stupid. And I don’t want no more stupid in my government, in my church or living next door. Someone isn’t gonna ruin the neighborhood if they have a different color skin or religion but they sure as hell trash it up if they’re stupid.
KenoshaMarge
You are a breath of fresh air!
On the record (annonymously) I said you were a McCain supporter and terrorist, much more so than a racist.
You are doing a great job disrupting the popular vote. nice work. You should be paid well, you are honoring your committment.
Yalk about being paid…Larry, why don’t you tell them who is paying you? Come clean.
Again, you and I both know party isn’t the real issue. The elite is well past the “two” party “system” the commoners are led to believe exists.
I’ll say no more, but it saddens me to see it, much like Condi said when she was leaving…for what again? We already know where to strike…
Tehran in the spring…right?
You know the ecosphere is much smaller than we even thought it was in ‘45. We know so much more now…think of the cost beyond capital…the damage stays on for so long…
To irradiate the surface of the Earth again knowing what we know now is criminal; no, worse, it’s evil.
I can’t imagine my children living in another cycle of nuclear holocaust.
Please think it through.
Thirty years after Hiroshima…
It’s on your conscience now, Larry.
Casmir, “it’s a sad thing, everybody should have went there to look at it…then we wouldn’t have no more atomic wars…there’s no purpose to it.”
Now we both know he says it was necessary, but how else do you think he convinces himself to live with it?
How will you and John convince yourselves to live with it?
Ask Casmir, would he recommend if we do it again?
I think I know the answer, look at his suffering, much less theirs…I know we’ve had our differences, but on this one…you know right, don’t you?
…bonne chance…My God have mercy on your souls.
Holy Batshit Crazy, Batman!
rosaleen;
Holy Batshit Crazy, Batman
From racist to nukin Iran?
Larry Your movin up in the world.
Us “the commoners” WTF? What Fuedal place mind set in Gotham City! yikes…
Dude,
Hiroshima was 63 years ago. You’re caught in a time warp.
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Reprinting what i wrote with minor but provocative changes is not allowed. Post your own words and thoughts. I’m quite capable of doing my own.
Danger Will Robinson!
Robert,
Beautifully written and well said.
I do however, disagree that Obama is NOT a Racist - his own words from his books condemn him:
http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-trots-out-his-racist-grandmother
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/ColonelRay
Jesse..Its Been forecast already..called The battle of Harmageddon..over in the Middle east..There are other bad Guys in the world..who also have an eye on Globalizing..controlling resources..controling Markets..Controling People..and events..
WE..all are Players on a Stage..The Ending has been written for us..You should understand Shakesphere..since you too are an Author Jesse..
I once admired your work..But now I consider your comments and lack of understand here..to be “HUBRIS’
Intimidation does not change fact, fellow human.
Perjoratively, we can determine the probability of outcome for events of the future, but the events of the future are not known, cast, nor “forecast.”
The past is in fact a guide.
Further, journalists (as a collective) do not hide the truth, they tell the truth, that is what journalism is; the telling of truth.
There is no leftist conspiracy, although you may be led to believe that there is. What we see when we look closely at the word journalism (as a collective) sends us, is truth.
Our fault is that we are programmed to choose to ignore truth and declare truth as anything other than what it is.
Propaganda that serves the interests of the elite does not fit in the truth, therefore, we must be influenced by Larry Johnson, Fox News and those among us that would twist fact for their own purposes.
For enlightenment, consider why you, yourself, might be influenced to ignore truth.
Electability is the issue.
The elite do not want an electable candidate opposing McCain, and that candidate is Obama.
This very debate is proves that fact.
Do threats against me change that? Not at all, because the truth knows nothing but fact.
You can either remain close-minded, or you can choose to accept the truth.
did you add a little vodka to your koolaid tonight?
Sorry, Jesse, but there hasn’t been anything remotely resembling truth in journalistic circles for a very long time. This Primary Season notwithstanding. The MSM helped to sell Bush’s War. The MSM stood by quietly as Kerry was Swiftboated, although Kerry should have stood up for himself. There’s been a lot of editorializing on the front pages that is passing as ‘legitimate journalism.’
In March 2007, Obama uninvited Rev Wright to give, I think, an Invocation at his announcement speech, because of his controversial reputation. Yet, the so-called truth journalists never pursued the story. Do you really think that if this had been Hillary Clinton that a follow-up would not have been relentlessly pursued? She was tarred and an feathered as a total liar with regard to Bosnia even though as someone pointed out here on this blog: a total lie would have meant that she was in Washington, when in fact she DID go to Bosnia, she did meet with the people she said she did, and that the area was a dangerous zone. She just wasn’t under sniper fire, but the threat and possibility was there.
Obama has lied. His wife lied when she said Bill Clinton referred to her husband’s candidacy as a fairy tale. Did the truth-seeking journalists report that? Only tacitly after the damage was done. And Hillary apologized for Bill, Ferraro and herself. From the Obamas, zilch.
And when in January, there were various reports of Obama as a ‘Cult of Personality’ did the journalists stand up courageously to support their reportage or did they just tuck in their tails after they were bombarded with UGLY VICIOUS attacks by Obama supporters?
Sorry, but they aren’t even reporting the truth now. Nothing on the issues. Nothing on the very serious discontent of Hillary’s supporters with regard to Obama, the man, the candidate. No. They report on the many calls by various Party leaders for her to drop out. How she, not the Democratic Party and its leaders are dividing the Party. And nothing on the unity candidate who’s turned out to be not so unifying after all, and perhaps every bit as divisive as they claim Hillary is.
Party unity ended when Obama supporters acted as if they wouldn’t need Hillary’s supporters at some point. Now that the end is near, they want to lecture us about Democratic ideals. And do it with attitude. Dig that!
They can take their attitude and win without me.
The Party is dead to me. Dean, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Richardson, Dodd, Leahy, et al, plus the MSM, and Obama and his supporters killed it. Not Hillary, not Bill.
It didn’t have to be this way. Six months ago I was all for towing the Party Line and supporting the nominee, whoever it was. I was not necessarily a diehard Hillary supporter. I was in fact leaning towards Edwards. And when he dropped out, I was fine with the two that remained and thrilled of the possibility of a black President. But then Obama started the backhanded race-baiting and blaming it on the Clintons, then I checked his resume thoroughly and found it way too thin for my tastes, then I listened to him and simply was NOT IMPRESSED. Then I discovered that for all of his and his supporters’ trivializing of Hillary’s travels as First Lady and as a Senator, that Senator Obama ain’t been NOWHERE! Only ONCE to Iraq, compared to Hilllary’s 3 and McCain’’s 8. Add Rezko’s slum dwellings to that mix and Obama simply ain’t the guy that this AA is going to the mat for. And the proof is all the ugliness that has manifested in the AA community over his candidacy, with AAs turning on and strong-arming AA elected officials who have served our interests well. ( You know, us black folks don’t have a whole lot of elected officials to be so cavalier in our treatment of them.)
And him, who was raised by a white mother and grandparents in Hawaii (not known for its AA community), away from any contact from the African part of his family so that he probably only came to grips with his negritude as a college student in CA, here he is, a biracial playing fast and loose with my heritage.
There’s a lot of bad feelings in the air and everyobody’s not a card-carrying racist, an Uncle Tom or a whining feminist. Really, does he and his supporters think they are going to curry favor and win an election with this approach? What’s next a group circle jerk on Oprah or Dr. Phil?
Tell you what, I’m game if he goes first. If he comes clean about his mother and grandparents and how they raised him. About the connection to his upbringing and his success considering the racism in the society. About his first encounters with racism as an adult biracial man. What he really got out of all those sermons? How does he really feel about being abandoned by his Kenyan father? About the contradiction of belonging to an unapologetically black church and being friends with a slum lord. And that’s just a start.
But he won’t do that. Everyone else has a problem, not him.
Conflicted and confused. That’s Barack Obama.
you are so right. i completely agree.
i couldn’t have been farther off base.
your argument is rock solid…i mean, you even included grandmothers, now that’s important.
McCain’s grandmother is a racist.
Larry Johnson is a racist.
I, yes, me, I have racism built into me because of our society…we humans are nurture-based creatures and racism, in forms you can’t recognize and can’t understand, is prevalent.
Over and over again, Larry and his following have FAILED to see that my statements regarding his racism, and my statements regarding Obama, and my statements regarding The Elite carry a disconnected sense of relativity.
What this means is, Mr. Johnson does have racism built into him. Not his fault, simply making it aware. No blame here, just awareness.
Further, The Elite should be stopped by the commoners. It is not only our right, it is our responsibility (we the people, we).
Mr. Johnson, has used this post as another deceptive tactic to disguise truth.
Oh, and journalism: You missed something. Propaganda. I suggest repeatedly it is patently desctructive and widely used. It comes represented as journalism, therefore, IF you are getting your news from propagandized sources, yes, you are correct, journalism, in that sense, is a failure.
Nonetheless, true journalism is, again, by definition, the telling of truth.
And it (real journalism) is also widely available. You need only look for it in places you are obviously not now looking.
Think this through. Believe me, Obama is not perfect. Simply put, the lesser of many evils, and, the least likely to utilize weapons of mass destruction to further the interests of The Elite.
My only concern is that nuclear weapons are not used on Tehran. End of message.
Bonne Chance friend (as in, not my enemy) and fellow human.
Mimi,
I’m confused to. Because I never knew it was racist to talk about “Fairy Tales”.
Sometimes I wonder about all these new words or phrases that are supposedly “racist” and yet they don’t seem that way to me.
Maybe being one of those pasty white people I don’t understand because it isn’t something I’ve had to live with. Just like many men simply are unable to understand what many women see as “sexist”. Maybe you have to have lived it to recognize it.
I used to read Fairy Tales to my kids and then to my Grand-kids. My sons found them boring and old fashioned and my Granddaughters thought they were about “Gay People”. So excuse me if I’m confused all to hell.
Conflicted, not so much. I know when something smells to high heaven it’s time to put it in the trash. That’s the way I feel about all those that call racist every time they run into someone that disagrees with them. Strikes me as not being very progressive either. But that’s a rant for another day.
Obama, if he gets the nomination, will lose in November. There are many reasons, but here is one of them. Obama and Dean are counting on two blocks of voters that will not be supporting Obama in the GE. One of them is the ‘Democrats for a day’ who will vote for McCain, not Obama. The second block is the voters who support Clinton. Dean and Obama think that when they force Clinton out of the running, they will switch to Obama. This is the group that Obama supporters have been calling every offensive name they can think of. So they (we) who see Obama for what he is (and isn’t) are supposed to switch to supporting Obama? Not bloody likely!
Larry,
Anyone that knows you has to know that there is no way that you are a Grand Dragon. Exhalted Cyclopes, perhaps, maybe even a Grand Titan with a few Furies at your beck and call. I have a couple of acquaintances who are Imperial Wizards. Sorry, pal, you just aren’t up to their standard in the race hatred category. Play your cards right and you may end up on the Kloncilium some day if you’re lucky.
Oh is that like Special K?
Larry:
I am sorry the masturbating adolescents at the Blog that Must Not be Named insulted you; they were wrong and owe you an apology. But if it’s any consolation, the author of that piece is neither a deep nor an insightful writer. He exhausted himself 12 months ago and hasn’t had an original thought since then.
Keep up the good work!
Is this like “The Artists Formerly Known as Prince”?
Nah, I think it’s the group that used to pretend that hypocrisy was about being Republican. They can call themselves Hypocrisy2 or H2-oh-oh for short.
Yes, I will put myself away now. I seem to have lost that dull edge I was so proud of.
Meanwhile, the first McCain ad of the general campaign promises “The American President the American people have been waiting for”, clearly aimed at Obama. The association with Wright will provide fuel for this line of attack.
Larry - you’re kidding right? Asking the question answers the question… your need to defend yourself further reinforces it. If you believe what you said, why bother defending yourself against the slings and arrows of others - particularly if your argument has merit? Your initial piece was off the mark.
“It is Barack who is playing the race card and trying to immunize himself against political attacks by insinuating that any criticism of him and his record is racially motivated. As Bud White pointed out earlier today Barack’s use of terms like “bamboozle” and “hoodwink” had no other purpose than to insert race as a weapon into the race. Nonetheless, I do not accuse Barack of racism.”
So… the entire article is an accusation, but you then qualify your statement. And sorry - but use of the phrases bamboozled and hoodwink in no way support your premise. Hillary has used both words herself.
Sad, pathetic and ultimately disappointing.
Kevin, you are a bullshit psychologist. Where did you get that degree in mindtalk. You have a little credibility issue with your take here. So have another stab at it.
And Barack’s use of “hoodwinked” and “bamboozled” are more of his hackery. I’m sick of hearing that he has great oral skills when his material is hacked.
Fuck, when you sing a song to me that leads me to believe its yours, and then I find out you didn’t even write it…well, it makes me feel so cheap. Sad, pathetic, and ultimately disappointing.
What are you babbling about?
Hillary has used those terms “hoodwink” and “bamboozle” only to tweak Obama; to demonstrate that he is not fooling anyone except the fools who blindly support him.
You are beyond pathetic.
Larry is NOT defending himself. Only those with a minimum number of functioning brain cells believe that.
Read the posts here for the last week - then play connect the dots - you did pass that heavy duty kindergarten course didn’t you?
You can either remain close-minded, or you can choose to accept the truth.
Your other “buudy up thread” made the point.
Hillary has used both words herself.
ok
This the fourth time you have said this WITHOUT attribution so “link up” or or say ACK! ACK! somewhere else.
Shut up you disembodied jerk of a degenerate jackass.
ROFLMAO - now there’s some reasoned discourse for ya
LOL.
Rev. Wright is a racist, in my book; Barack Obama ingratiated himself with Wright, gave Wright money, sat in his pews and listened to his racist views, and asked a racist to officiate at his wedding, and baptize both of his daughters. Now, I ask you: WHO is the racist here?
Think about the effect that Wright’s kind of anti-white, segregationist, rejectionist kind of racism has on the black community as a whole? In recent years, Bill Cosby has been criticized by his own community for simply proposing that black men should take responsibility for parenting their own children, should become the fathers to those children, should value family over gangsta rap. It’s not racist to suggest that fatherhood and family are a value that the black community should re-invest in as a community.
Conversely, when Wright panders to the worst, most base anti-white hatred, it undermines the black community, it tears apart the focus on the fundamental values that used to be part of the community, but with the urbanization of the community, has disintegrated. Wright’s message is: We don’t have problems, except as created by the whites, and by the government. We are not accountable; we are not responsible for our own failures as a community.
As everyone knows, there is racism, there is prejudice, there is a history of oppression in America. But there is ALSO a history of people coming together to fight it, and to condemn it, and to help people in crisis.
It’s not hard to see how Wright–and by association, Obama–have exploited racism for their own aggrandizement, at the expense of their own community. And, that is racism at its ugliest.
“It’s not hard to see how Wright–and by association, Obama–have exploited racism for their own aggrandizement, at the expense of their own community. And, that is racism at its ugliest.”
This going to be one of the more sweeter ironies that most blacks aren’t factoring into their undying, loyal support of Obama. Losing the ability to exploit racism the way Wright, Obama , to name a few, have.
And, another thing about racism…
Barack Obama refused to attend the Black State of the Union caucus for two years in a row–that I am aware of. The first year, when the meeting of thousands of black community leaders and activists and journalists, was held in Virginia, Obama said he couldn’t attend because he was announcing his run for the White House–the very same event where Obama disinvited Wright from officiating the convocation.
The second year Obama said he could not attend the SOBU caucus, held in New Orleans to remind people of the nightmare of Katrina, because he was “too busy” campaigning in his run for the White House.
Now, why would Barack Obama be too busy each time, during two consecutive SOBU caucuses, to attend? Here’s why: He did not want to be associated in voters’ minds, with the black community. He did not want voters to think he was part of that community.
Yet, he joined Rev. Wright’s church to enhance his own membership in the same black community, which he later recoils from being associated with at the SOBU.
This is exploitation of race by Barack Obama. Black voters have flocked to vote for him BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Some of his surrogates, Jesse Jackson Jr, for examples, are pressuring black superdelegates to support him BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Yet, those same people are willing to allow him to hide from that fact when it benefits them, i.e., when he doesn’t want to appear for a speech at the State of the Black Union caucus?
It’s patently racist to exploit race, whether you are white or black. And, Barack Obama has exploited his race and his community for years, for his own benefit.
This is exploitation of race by Barack Obama. Black voters have flocked to vote for him BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Some of his surrogates, Jesse Jackson Jr, for examples, are pressuring black superdelegates to support him BECAUSE HE IS BLACK. Yet, those same people are willing to allow him to hide from that fact when it benefits them, i.e., when he doesn’t want to appear for a speech at the State of the Black Union caucus?
Excellent points.
The Obamans seem to have had their logic centers shorted out.
BMC,
Well thought out commments and I agree 100%.
All I would like to add is that those of us who marched together in the 70’s for equal rights for all, and those of us who have worked our entire adult lives for INCLUSION are heartbroken and torn apart by the viscious damage Obama is doing to all the gains made over the last 40 plus years.
I personally have seen several instances over the last month on good old Main Street USA - a new and dangerous turn of events.
The one that pains me most is this:
An AA firend of mine and I went to grad school together. For over 30 years, we have worked together on various Community Organizing projects and were even together as Board members for the NH NAACP. We are good friends.
For years we have made it a point to have lunch together at least once a month. Last week we went to a new Mid Eastern retaurant. I rose to go to the ladies room, and a waitress approached me and whispered in my ear “Why are you eating with a black”. Furious, I glared at her and went to the ladies and came back. My friend noticed the waitresses action, and asked me what was said. I answered “You don’t want to know”. My friend said “Thats it - I have been feeling the negative energy since we walked in here.”
We left without finishing lunch. Both of us felt the pain - but now a wall was separating us, that we are both still trying to tear back down. We both really want things can go back to what, for us, was “normal”.
I am heartbroken and furious at the hate this miserable, twisted, monsterous, pychopath, Obama has inflicted on even everyday life of America.
That is a horrible story. My condolences and I understand your rage.
My AA stepmother is utterly convinced that Hillary is the devil. She has been hoodwinked and bamboozled by Obama’s transparent accusations of racism.
It has certainly strained our relationship, since she is a typical Obama supporter - absolutely convinced Barack is our only hope and that no one could POSSIBLY support Hillary when they know the “facts.”
It’s quite depressing what this “uniter” has done to our country.
“Both of us felt the pain - but now a wall was separating us, that we are both still trying to tear back down. We both really want things can go back to what, for us, was “normal”.”
The wall is imaginary, until it was interjected into the moment… it did not exist, as presumably it hasn’t previously.
Don’t let this get you down, you friendship is all that matters, sure people will be stupid, rude, etc.
welcome to the club.
It’s like the weather in a rainy place - is it misting, thunderstorms, raining, hurricane? How wet are you going to get, for how long?
Ya try not to let the weather unduly influence your actions.
But he had time to go bowling.
Why does the senator insist on doing things he does not do well?
37? More gutter balls than pins?
Well, Rev Wright let that cat out of the bag. Might as well let it all hang out now.
I understand Mayor Nutter is getting serious heat from Obama supporters for supporting Clinton in spite of race.
Might want to contact his office and maybe show your support for his quoting MLK “content of character” and standing by his candidate.
Judging a man by the content of his character? !!
“vote for Obama or else you’re racist. Don’t ask that or else you’re a racist. Don’t notice that or else you’re a racist. Don’t say that or else you’re a racist. But there’s no reason to suppose this is an affirmative action presidency…”
“Let’s have a dialog on race but Obama does all the talking. He’s biracial so he can speak for the working class white man and the black man both.”
“What Geraldine Ferraro said was unforgivable. Listen to John Kerry though there’s a man who knows what he’s talking about.”
For those inclined to follow Moll’s good advice the the telephone number is
215-686-1776
ONLY nice emails can be sent to the general help desk at
HelpMe@phila.gov
Let Mayor Michael Nutter know he has friends and admirers out here that are impressed by his courageous and honorable stand.
My original posting to this diary I accidentally posted to the front page writing that is similar in pointing out the obvious. I just haven’t had enough coffee. I’ve been so ticked these past few days so hopefully it is enough to just say thanks for your words here and your ability to define the situation clearly.
I’m reading all these comments this morning and wondering why none of the Obama-bloggers, like Arrianna, Josh Marshall, Markos, etc, are writing posts that ask “AM I A SEXIST MISOGYNIST?”
Is it because
1. they don’t know from sexism and misogyny?
2. sexism and misogyny are completely allowed and even encouraged in our society?
3. they don’t care?
4. the rules of engagement permit any kind of assault, if it’s on Hillary?
5. they think it’s funny?
6. all of the above?
What sad about the accusations of racism, is that it only hurts those who care about race issues. It only serves to silence people who really care about not being racist. So it’s like attacking your own team. It’s like dumping on those who would watch your back.
If you call an actual racist a racist, they could care less. In fact, they’d probably consider it a compliment.
What Obama supporters don’t seem to understand is that calling everybody racist is only effective during the primary. You might be able to shame a few non-racist people into supporting your candidate. But when it comes to the general election, all you’ve done is made a whole lot of progressives resentful and angry. By the time the general comes around, they’ll probably stay home. But you’ve also rallied every bigot in this country to come out and stop you. The real racists will now view Obama as a threat, simply because Obama supporters have created so much xenophobia.
I don’t even think it’s effective during a primary. By calling everyone that disagrees with you a racist you are seriously alienating people that you will need to win a general election. It’s batshit stupid!
As many here have said, a real racist could care less if you call them a racist. In their empty little heads racism and sexism and homophobia and every thing that tries to keep someone from having the same rights and privileges as anyone else is just fine and dandy.
Could that be because, like Obama and his supporters, they are afraid to compete on a level playing field?
Gamesmanship for the inept, the incompetent and those that don’t care about anything except winning. More accurately described as whiners than winners.
When you have a weak poker hand all you can do is bluff or fold.
Obama has been bluffing from the get go.
And is why he and his D.C. Democratic buddies are demanding Hillary quit.
Larry, you wrote a really stupid post (Ice T vs Ice Cube just for starters, the whole post doesn’t make any sense when you correct the names) that was pretty damn racist. If you don’t understand why it’s racist, he’s the basic gist: You’re attempting to distill the entire black experience into gangsta rap lyrics (from 1991), you deciding that Obama “isn’t black enough”, and you’re attacking his “privledged background”. You’re right, he wouldn’t win a rap battle with Eminem. Do you think the black community views that as a negative in a presidential race? Then why bring it up? In case you hadn’t noticed, any problems Obama has are not in the black community, so it’s safe to say they’ve accepted his upbringing.
And you’re deluded to think Obama is a wimp. The republicans used the “bitch slap” theory of politics on Gore and Kerry (both of whom had far more experience than Hillary), getting them to respond to bogus charges with denials which filled the news cycle. You may not have noticed in your Obama-hating cocoon, but he turned legitimate criticism around pretty quickly and not only defused the situation (according to the polls), but largely immunized him from future attacks. You can criticize his policies (or lack thereof), but to accuse him of not being smart enough? Not having sufficient judgement? That’s pretty funny from a 2000 Bush supporter who in July 2001 wrote “Terrorism has and can be contained.”
You are the deluded one if you think the Wright situation has been defused. One speech and a bunch of mushmouth spin does not excuse 20 years of sitting in that pew, nor does it explain why he didn’t just up and leave if he didn’t agree with Wright’s inflammatory statements.
A video of Obama’s mentor, pastor and friend screaming “God Damn America” is too delicious for Rove and Co. to pass up. McCain will quash Obama like a bug, and we’ll all be suffering for it.
Obama says that IRReverend Wright can’t help but preach the racist views he has because he is a product of his generation. If Obama is being truthful about his rejecting IRReverend Wright’s views then why would he raise another generation -his young and impressionable children in that den of hate. Obama is presented as an intellegent man with a high level of intellectual curiousity. Surely he is aware of the tenets that his church was founded on. Modeled on the book by James E Cone entitled “Black Theology and Black Power(1969)” it espouses “the destruction of the white enemy”. How can this be ok? Seriously? Are we to think he never once read about the beginnings of this church. How about Michelle? No I guess not. Just another surprise to them. For being so aware so much gets past them. Scary. I for one, do not presently, nor have I in the past, owned any slaves. I do not feel the need to elect one racist to make up for the transgression of other racists.
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NATION/766118950/1001
We don’t owe any candidate (whether of the male, female, or geriatric persuasion) anything for anything other than proven competence.
edit: change persuasion to lifestyle choice.
Before Fleaflickers last post I am Target at the checkout line…The National Enquirer April 7th edition has a this on page 33…(MIB).. My sane half says “you believe that crap?!”
So I spent an hour looking at links and what do you know? there are link from NYT, LAT…the list goes on and on.re Obama’s church and rev Wrights basing his church’s principles on the writings of Mr. Cone..
Point is racism is color blind. I agree, If Obama is “all about the future” then why is he antagonizing the past? For personal gain.
well Alice Walker says all white women are ‘guilty of their racial inheritance’ and if that’s not racist what the hexl is?
http://tinyurl.com/yrubag
The Guardian
It is hard to relate what it feels like to see Mrs Clinton (I wish she felt self-assured enough to use her own name) referred to as “a woman” while Barack Obama is always referred to as “a black man”. One would think she is just any woman, but she is not. She carries all the history of white womanhood in the US in her person; it would be a miracle if we, and the world, did not react to this fact. How dishonest it is, to try to make her innocent of her racial inheritance.
I can easily imagine Obama sitting down and talking to any leader - or any person - in the world, with no baggage of past servitude or race supremacy to mar their talks. I cannot see the same scenario with Clinton, who would drag into 21st-century US leadership the same image of white privilege and distance from others’ lives that has so marred the country’s contacts with the rest of the world. But because Clinton is a woman and may be very good at what she does, many people (some in my own family) originally favoured her. I understand this, almost. It is because there is little memory, apparently, of the foundational inequities that still plague people of colour and poor whites.
When I offered the word “womanism” many years ago, it was to give us a tool to use, as feminist women of colour, in times like these. These are the moments we can see clearly, and must honour devotedly, our singular path as women of colour in the US. We are not white women, and this truth has been ground into us for centuries. But neither are we inclined to follow a black person, man or woman, unless they demonstrate considerable courage, intelligence, compassion and substance.
Here’s another word and identity group for Alice - asininism.
Oh dear me, what the fuck is Alice talking about? Oh so I guess America is going to settle on persons of color exclusively to lead the nation now? If Hillary carries the baggaage of her white privilege and race, then henceforth there should be no more white presidents. Or is this exlusively the mantle of white women to carry?
What a crock!!
Alice, and Obama, these are people who really don’t get to travel much. You’d be surprised how very little other countries feel about racism in America. Not in the same way that we Americans do, especially black Americans. There’s a reason many black Americans now and in the past have chosen expatriacy. It was a way of living with fellow human beings without the albatross of American racist attitudes hanging around your neck. Surely, Alice Walker remembers James Baldwin, Richard Wright????
This commentary by Ms Walker, who by the way slept with a white male to produce a biracial daughter and whose literary work has shown very little regard for black manhood, is assinine. She has clearly has drunk the kool-aid. And since Alice has shown very little love for black men, maybe it’s Obama’s white half that she has regard for.
And it points to another reason why I reject Obama. This is just diplomatic naivete. World leaders are not interested in America’s past. They are interested in the present and the future and what America will bring to the table in terms of negotiating global issues.
These remarks are just downright embarrassing to this AA woman. They are foolish and not well thought out. Alice needs to dig herself. Obama simply ain’t all that.
Okay, I read the whole thing. worse than I could have even imagined. And the comments were brutal. I almost blacked out from hysterical laguhter at the man who snarked about Obama’s 27 years in prison, alluding to her ridiculous comparison of Obama and Mandela. That comparison was beyond absurd, it was downright stupid and actually insulting. Yeah, doing hard time in Hawaii, in private school, in ivy league Columbia, in Harvard. What are these people smoking?
Take Alice Walker and multiply her by the entire black community and you can see what you’re up against. The emotions are out of the box.
After pondering Alice Walker business…
How many Dems will Obama lose compared with most black voters who will opt out of the process if HRC is nominated? They won’t have to suppress the black vote at the polls. They will do it themselves.
This just reinforces my Belief-in-Things-Not-Seen® that Obama’s candidacy is Karl Rove’s work-of-art ultimate transcendent platonic ratfuck.
Has anybody commented what the fallout/blowback of an Obama defeat in the general election will be? Never mind white guys, George McGovern, Michael Dukakis, and John Kerry were as/more soundly defeated.
they are putting Affirmative Action repeals on ballots across the country for the GE, Obama’s phony racism whistles are going to wind up alienating lots of voters who may say what the hell am I doing supporting affirm action if we are racist? Nothing I do makes it better these guys hate me anyway, what the hexl and check that box in the booth..It wont be good, I think its ‘Rovian’ blowback planned ahead by the evil architect and Obama plays right into it and could care less……..
I can’t find anything on this. Is it true? If so, it is an interesting gambit. Who is doing it?
Have any of you seen what Alice Walker’s daughter thinks of her own mothers parenting skills.
Alice Walker left her daughter unattended and with no real parental supervision for not just months, but years. As a result Alice’s daughter got pregnant at 14 (abortion), got into drugs, etc.
Alice used to have a hand-made plaque on her wall that listed the great calamities facing great female writers; motherhood being one of them.
Michelle Obama has chastised Hillary Clinton, saying: “if she couldn’t keep her own house in order how is she going to manage the White House?”
Alice Walker didn’t keep her “own” house in order.
Neither did Coretta Scott King. Neither did Jesse Jackson’s wife. Neither did Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis or Ethel Kennedy. You see, their husbands all cheated and to blame them for the actions of their husbands is ludicris.
Michelle Obama however, had no problem kissing Hillary’s ass when she kindly came to Illinois to stump for her husband Barack during his Senatorial campaign. Michelle Obama had no problem crediting Senator Clinton with raising a good daughter and hoped that her own daughters would turn out as well. Michelle Obama has no problem with the constant MLK, JFK, and RFK references made about her husband; however undeserving they are.
Alice Walker forgets that AA men were up in arms with “The Color Purple” was turned into a movie. She was interviewed by Diane Sawyer at one point and Ms. Sawyer asked her what her brothers thought of the book. Her response? “You assume that they read.” Rather demeaning comment wouldn’t you say to her AA male counterparts? Was her husband AA? No, he was white and Jewish?
I don’t know if Alice Walker is trying to make amends or has simply gone off the deep end. I find it interesting though that Dr. Maya Angelou is a big Hillary Clinton supporter. I also find it telling that Jesse Jackson’s wife is also a big Hillary Clinton supporter as well!!
Didn’t know Alice was such a crappy mother. But I’ve always known she was a jerk. That comment about her brother’s was made during a 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley.
Alice hates black men. The part she responds to in Obama is his white half. I wonder if she voted for Jesse Jackson in 88?
Larry–calling you racist is an attempt to make you shut-up or “fall in line”. We know better–keep up the good fight.
Black You’re In, White You’re Out?
The Race Game I
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Larry,
I’ve been called a racist at Daily Kos - the same person even accused me of being a member of Storm Front. I doubt someone like me who is bi-racial - would be welcome at SF.
Then again facts don’t mean very much to many of the Obama enablin’ whack jobs.
The Southern Poverty Law Center lists the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party as hate groups.
What do the Obama trons have to say about that?
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
I would imagine that they wouldn’t have anything at all to say about that - most would agree with the assessment. But here’s the question - considering that Obama’s not a member of either organization - he’s denounced the former (now deceased) leader of the NBPP… WTF does either group have to do with Obama? Oh, guilt by association? What does Hillary’s continued association and support of people of Coe say then? Honestly - nothing - it shouldn’t matter just as the whole Wright thing shouldn’t have mattered as much as it was made to.
Anyone can pick out isolated clips from 30+ minutes of speech and portray it as they want.
As some of Hillary’s supporters noted in the aftermath of the Tuzla “mistake”
RalphB - do you think that Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, et.al., have seen the comments by Obama supporters that attack McCain’s military service? Or other super delegates have seen them?
Do you think that sending them a sampling might, just might, do some good?
The last thing we need in all of this mess is to have the media and republicans label all democrats as hating our troops. Been there, done that re. VietNam.
As I wrote to Dean when I didn’t renew membership in the DNC, I hold Obama personally responsible for the hatred of Hillary spewed by his supporters; and I hold Dean responsible if he doesn’t demand Obama try to stop them.
Hang in there, Larry. We all know that that it’s the Obamas, his church, and many of his supporters who are the racists
Larry,
Hey, great to read your post. I have thought much the same thoughts, but certainly never find them at the old blogs I used to visit.
Yes, the Obama campaign must be paying people to send in comments. Many of them have nothing to say.
They are just making noises.
Larry,
I don’t think you are a racist. You are simply using all of your skills to keep Hillary’s new base fired up. I do mean BASE!!
Unfortunately for Hillary the rest of the public is beyond this.
Nobody cares.
Hill doesn’t care about the will of the people. She cares about HILLARY and is even trying to use Wright on the superdelegates. They aren’t part of the new base.
You and Harold Icke can scream about Wright,ganstas, and racism until the chickens come home to roost. Game over.
This from TalkLeft:
Well Larry, you aren’t alone. I just went looking for Bud White’s “BO the George Wallace of the Left” at MyDD, just to see what other awful comments he received and it’s been removed. So I wrote Bud an email asking about it and he said he received a “warning.” He also said the linfar’s piece on Obama’s Typical White Person comment had been removed. I don’t know is she received a warning but I wouldn’t be surprised.
The Brown Shirts are controlling the blogs. It’s fucking scary.
If they behave like this now, can you imagine what they’d do with more power?
But mind you, they can say ANYTHING about Hillary, Bill and Chelsea. And it’s fair game. I sometimes think the pod aliens snatched these fucks.
[...] And that “mess with” line reminds me of another remark … can you guess by who? Maybe Obama’s new pastor Otis Moss? [...]
Ask Obama why he voted in favor of Bush’s tax cuts for oil companies.
Also some interesting reading:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/obamas-hollow-judgment_b_89441.html
I cannot vote for this man just based on his character and judgement. His Black Liberation theology philosophy of the church’s and Reverend Wright’s is what really scares me and I’m sorry but I have to believe that is his philosophy due to the length he decided to stay there.
And subjecting his children to that hate, racism and Anti-Americnism. What is he thinking?
Remember in his book, “I chose my friends very carefully.”
Well, he took the wrong path to the Presidency with those he chose to work with and as those friends.
And yet if the rational truth is to be fully told here, it is not just the Wright’s and the Farrakhan’s that are racists. There are plenty of white racists as well. The difference is that the black ones upfront about theirs. The white one’s however use proxies; codes that allow them to appear to be anti-Obama for less revealing reasons.
Further, if the truth is what you’re really after, then you will admit that Hilary has a gender problem…we would just be changing the question from are enough white people willing to vote for a black person for President to will enough people be able vote for a female for President.
I’m an Independent(started out an Edwards supporter) and it amazes me that the same people who rag on Obama for supposedly playing the race card never acknowledge the real gender issue a Clinton nomination would bring.
Only the Democrats would decide to run a black guy or woman in a time that is the most favorable for them politically. That is the real mistake, not anything Obama or Clinton says or does.