You Said I Shouldn’t, So I Will — Quote Republicans
By SusanUnPC on April 2, 2008 at 7:39 PM in Barack Obama, Democrats, Hillary Clinton, John McCain
Here I go again. Committing another heresy:
No. I don’t seek forgiveness. Or understanding. Anyone who doesn’t like it, can go [redacted] themselves. See, I agree with Damozel, whose posts you’ve been enjoying here as well as at the terrific blog where she posts, Buck Naked Politics. In “A Reply by the Liberal Journal to a Note from the Pro-Hillary Blogs to the Pro-Obama Ones,” Damozel writes:
The Liberal Journal thinks it’s a shame that some pro-Hillary blogs are quoting Republicans. So does Brad at Sadly, No! “You know who you are,” says Nelson M. of the LJ. [I'm shaking! I bet they know about me!]
With all due respect to these fine publications, perhaps they had better consider what this means about the extent to which pro-Hillary bloggers have been alienated by the relentless scorn, sanctimony, and contempt with which some progressive blogs have treated Hillary Clinton and her supporters during the last few months.
Damozel continues:
For one campaign and one segment of the party to drive Clinton supporters to this level of disgust with their fellow Democrats is also no small feat—and nothing to boast about.
I am not sure what further instances of finger-pointing are intended to accomplish. Perhaps it would be more productive to ask how a large number of Hillary’s supporters have reached the stage where they feel that their traditional enemies—even Scaife, even Karl Rove— are speaking more rationally, objectively and justly than our fellow Democrats. Matter for reflection, guys.
It is amazing what “relentless scorn, sanctimony, and contempt” will do to a person. So I will continue:
And will continue. As long as Republicans and conservatives are making cogent points with which I agree — and as long as they’re calling out Barack Obama’s misstatements and outright lies — I’m right there with them.
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Well, I said screw DNC, Pelosi, Dodd, Kennedy, the windsurfer and everyone. I have had enough and will vote McCain w/o hesitation. Thanks to Larry, Susan and the good people on this blog for allowing us, the low class Democrats to vent our anger here.
First of all, you are a very brave woman. Kudos.
Second of all, I listened to the first clip.
Oh. My. Goodness.
You may convert me to watching Fox News!
OF COURSE they were negative towards Obama and Clinton and positive towards McCain, but at least they have a real grasp of the issues that all candidates face, and they talked about them in a realistic way.
And nowhere did I hear the ridiculous, overblown Hillary Hatred that has driven me away from the blogs I used to love.
Makes me wonder if the Haters on those blogs are paid shills for Fox. Maybe they’re just turning off all of our liberal news sources so we HAVE to watch the Evil Empire!!!
[only partially kidding]
I never thought I would ever tune into FOX,but it’s the only place I can go to hear the stuff about Obama that everyone else pretends doesn’t exist. I have a video somewhere of an Obamazoid literally assaulting a fox news person and Jesse Jackson had to tell the guy to cut it out. I mean it was frightening.
What can I say? Dead on!
Yes, indeed. Matter for reflection, guys.
I am as unlikely a person to ever catch agreeing with any of the aforementioned as they come. But here we are.
It is amazing what “relentless scorn, sanctimony, and contempt” will do to a person.
I’m shocked that your mud flinging has not been received with the respect it deserves. Uncle Karl appreciates the sensitive genius of your soul. You were meant to be together.
Calling someone out for their nonsense is not mudflinging. And if you keep saying we’re bosom buddies with Karl Rove, it’ll make it all the more unlikely many of us will go out and vote for Obama. Many of us would stay home; some here actually do prefer McCain (So does MA, the bluest of states, according to the Survey USA poll). So if you’re doing everything you can to destroy Obama’s chances for the GE, you’re doing Rove’s work for him. I’m sure if he’d thank anyone, it’d be you.
And if you keep saying we’re bosom buddies with Karl Rove, it’ll make it all the more unlikely many of us will go out and vote for Obama.
Right on, Nathan. Right on. I have never — never — witnessed anything close to the ugly, sanctimonious, vicious attacks of the Obamabots. Never.
More evidence is on its way in the form of a post here. Stay tuned. (I am not happy about it. But it is a story that must be posted. I think FleaFlicker is doing it. Besides the nastiness of the Obamabots’ attacks, they’ve also tried — at every turn — to censor and SILENCE those of us for Hillary. Tonight, you will see fresh evidence of that.)
Preach it!
As a over 35 ex-Edwards supporter and independent(though my political positions sync in with Bernie Sanders). There was no way in hell that I would have been caught dead watching Fox and listening to Luntz and Rove even 3 months ago.
But the transformation of the “progressive” blogo-sphere into goosestepping Obama worshipers and the MSM whitewashing every mistake he has made has made me a FoxNews viewer.
Not by choice but by necessity.
Fox now looks like a bastion of rationality compared to the fainting couch clowns of CNN and MSNBC.
P.S. IMO the Democratic party will rue the day they let a bunch of dim witted 20 somethings dictate party politics.
susanunpc, do you mean the disappeared post? i just read it and was so furious i could barely breathe. everyone should be sure to read it. when lin’s beautiful article is censored, you know that the brownshirts are taking over.
Poor Nathan, all that spin made you dizzy. The whole world seems to be spinning, around and around it goes. Where it stops nobody knows.
Notice how they can’t help themselves. They just go on and on and on. We’ll see who laughs last.
If you’re trying to build a larger and stronger team FOR Obama, A Democrat, you’re failing.
You damage your candidate in your own arrogance.
THINK, fool.
This person also posts at other sites and supports no one. S/he just goes around dropping bombs for the pleasure of it.
Pretty much sums up how I, an AA Democrat wound up here. When it became clear that these people were pretty much telling me I could kiss their ass, I decided that they’ll have to WIN WITHOUT ME! And according to a report on Yahoo, Obama is talking about re-shaping the electorate by going after all of these apathetic black voters under 35, registering and motivating them to vote.
Bulletin:
He’s basically saying that HE CAN WIN WITHOUT US DISGRUNTLED over 35 voters.
What’s funny about this is what I’ve been saying for a long time: this biracial man is absolutely clueless about the black community. He’s exploiting the half of him that is our color in order to ride into the WH. (There’s no small irony in that comment, btw.) He is going after a segment of the population with HUGE sociological issues, involving them in a process based on the politics of racialism, and encouraging them to think that his being the president is going to immediately effect their lives.
Unaware of how the process works, that the POTUS has to work with Congress and that the government is a series of checks & balances, many of these young people are going to be shocked and disillusioned when there are no dramatic or substantive changes in their lives. He has NO IDEA the degree of anger he could unleash when these same young people realize that they have been PLAYED!
I KNOW. Unlike Barack and Michelle Obama, I live with my people in the inner city and not in some Rezko financed mansion.
That the Democratic Party will not allow into their consciousness that HUGE numbers of loyal Democrats are angry to the point where they are actually listening to people like Karl Rove, has got to be worse than the French Aristocrats’ behaviour before the peasants stormed the Bastille. They should take heed and remember what happened to them.
If someone had told me a year ago that I would actually sit through a telecast and listen to anything that Karl Rove said, I would have invited them outside to kick some serious butt.
The Party can’t believe that they can simply discount us and that there won’t be serious hell to pay. Do they really think all of these voters will stay committed to the process? If they do, then they all must be smoking CRACK.
I think we all know whether we care to give voice to it at this point or not:
THIS IS NOT GOING TO TURN OUT WELL!
Over 35 and over the hill chiming in. Do you get the feeling this guy has a problem with older people? I’ve gotten an ageist vibe from this candidate for a long time, can’t put my finger on why.
Please watch Hill on Mad Money tonight:
CNBC link
video embedded
she is SO ON THE BALL on the economy!!
How long until Obama cribs these talking points? He could not ave answered 1/3 of Cramer’s questions the way Hill did. Her command of the issues is evident. How anyone could choose Obama over Clinton is beyond me:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/23918582
I posted a vid awhile back of Hillary and Cramer. She was fantastic! I also have one of Cramer being asked who the best candidate is and he said Hillary Hands Down.
I am TIRED of the persona non grata treatment by the far-left wing hacks, maniacs, nonsensical, sinister, illogical, name-calling numbnuts with half-brained, malformed vision for this country.
I don’t want to stay in a party that is this crazy.
Diaries like this are one of the reasons I like you so much Susan. You have courage and you aren’t about to conform to the Obamania of the Obamedia.
UnPC indeed!
Thank you! I like you back. That was a hell of a piece today on the media.
found link for full video of Hill on Mad Money this evening, enjoy it is awesome, she is simply the best in the field of candidates today on the economy .
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=700530203
Something that Rove is playing on here—Obama’s dad is a foreigner. He was careful to point that out repeatedly.
This reminds me of Michael Howard in the UK. He was called the Transylvanian…his familty was from that area.
To what extent must a candidate be seen as a son of the soil and to what extent should their international connection be emphasized?
Tricky subject. you can start to see Rove enjoy his work now. That he is even involved this year suggests he expect some good results. Carville and Begala skipped out on 2000 and 2004…
I don’t think Obama’s “son of the soil” issue will be important.
But I DO think, with moderates, Independents, and Reagan Democrats, Obama’s use of his African father (Dreams of….yada yada) to appeal to the AA vote, while the true stories that his Dad was an alcoholic, a bigamist, a “typical Black father” abandoning his child and never looking backward…..
While at the same time Obama seems to DIMINISH the fact that his white family were really the ones who raised him, loved him, gave him every advantage including expensive prep schools, fed his “dreams” and built his self-esteem,
THAT will resonate with middle America.
And ironically, the Bradley effect–while it had nothing to do with Hillary’s New Hampshire win, it may very well, NOW, have everything to do with Obama losing in November.
All the white, liberal, elitists in the Democratic Party—including websites like DKos and TPM—-will never change that. It won’t be about racism. It will be about Obama’s lack of gratitude for the very people who DIDN’T abandon him, and stood by him through thick and thin.
Not the color of the skin, but the content of the character, as MLK told us all.
And we’ll end up, AGAIN, losing in November.
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You go, girl! I agree with your stance completely, Susan. I find myself watching FOX more and more often. If you would have told me a year ago that I would find Karl Rove interesting and on target, I would have said, “Yeah, right after my lobotomy!!” —But here I am, tuning in to Rove, Laura Ingraham, and a bunch of others just like them. I even find myself cheering after a good Rush Limbaugh quote. Pitiful, isn’t it. After this election, I’ll have to check into a good rehab program—or maybe seek some kind of spiritual enlightenment since it feels like I’ve been to the dark side.
and when they do the same to Hillary?
they already have. Countless times. Thousands and thousands of times. That doesn’t mean they’re always wrong.
I’ll file that away.
Kevin my file on you is just overflowing with hypocritical hogwash. I tried serving it to the pigs on Obama’s farm, but even they wouldn’t slop it up. Go figure huh?
Oink Oink!
you never cease to entertain. Thanks for being consistent.
Hope is entertaining and smart too.
Weapon Obama speaks of “Hope” he uses it as a weapon. A blunt one at. File that one ok?
Comment by Kevin | 2008-04-02 20:16:26
and when they do the same to Hillary?
Well, Kevin, why should I worry about that?? By that time, Hillary will be elected, and I’ll be in FOX withdrawal rehab. Fiddle dee dee. Tomorrow’s another day!!
It’ll be expected and dealt with. Simple. They are Republicans after all.
“they’re calling out Barack Obama’s misstatements and outright lies — I’m right there with them.”
and when they do the same to Hillary?
think of this site like a cranky old bastard at Langly or GCHQ telling you what is on the other side of the hill.
funny!
A death of a thousand cuts is Karls specialty. To bad Obama is the one furnishing the blade sharpened with his own lies.
…and considering he goes into the fetal position when he’s criticized, it would be a blast to watch.
I wish this site had something along the lines of rankings… that was funny.
Did I ever tell you that I Make perfect Chicken Gravy..Mr. Angelton..?? In fact i’m making some now..with Pan Fried chicken and Idaho Mashed Potatos..
Some of us have known for a Long time what is on the other Side…
Off topic, sorry, this is a report from the Rezko trial today, where witness Stuart Levine directly implicated Gov Blagojevich.
“Blago” has hinted, per the report from the Tribune’s “Clout Street Blog” Obama is up to hiss ears in this corruption, also.
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http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2008/01/blagojevich-tri.html
From the Chicago tribune Clout Street blog. 1.29.08:
lago and Obama seem to have a very strong Rezko connection, he “nurtured” each the same way, almost like brothers.
But according to Levine, Rezko wanted to make Blago president, initially.
Thanks Simon..Good job..Interesting Info..
this is only the Beginning of April..There is a Long ways to go..and alot of things can happen..
Thats WHY Hillary needs to hang in there..all the way to the Convention..and this nation needs to be Prepared for ANYTHING..
What IF..?? What If..??
WHO Could Have anticipated.??
Duck..Cheneys taking the Party Hunting again..
And someone has a stack of rotten Eggs..
Like Laryy said..The FAT LADY..Hasn’t sung yet..
and the band hasn’t even warmed up..
Oh Do Da Day…
Speaking of duck…
Poor Harry, though, I wonder how he’s doing?
Did Cheney have oil guys with him, last time, or just fellow would be world conquerors, the Armstrongs, and such?
What a fun group…
Another fine young soldier got killed in Iraq this weekend..father of four, and what wonderful Parents….
It was His third Tour fighting Dick Cheneys Occupation of Iraq..
I doubt that Dick Cheney even knows, or will send flowers or a Card..
But, I sure He got a kick out of having the Shieks name an Oil Field after Him..and assuring him of a Villa..Maybe even a Discrete
“Hunting trip” with Osama..wink wink..
Of Course, behind his back, everyone calls him
“DAFFY DICK”..
Yes. Mr. Angleton..We know whats on the other Side..
You shall Know the Truth..etc..etc..etc..
I can still remember that guy leaving the hospital with his face looking like hamburger, saying pretty much that he was sorry his face got in the way of Cheney’s buckshot.
As the Spy-guy well knows, one can learn a lot from listening to enemy communications, including propagnada, lies and disinformation. During WWII and the cold war, much time and effort was spent on intercepts and codebreaking. If someone such as Karl Rove is willing to speak, we have an obligation to analyze what was said, and use it to our own advantage, even if the NSA or CIA aren’t interested.
And how times have changed. At one time I thought that the only Republicans worth listening to were those on Mt. Rushmore: A. Lincoln and T. Roosevelt.
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When this is all over these fools will claim that they’re sorry for going completely off the rails. It’s already too late. The damage has been done. It’s not even about our outrage, but what they’d done to Clinton’s candidacy and our chances as Americans to help out our country by selecting someone who could fix this mess we’re in. We need her. She’s the only candidate left that even promises us a chance at changing things for the better, especially with a terrifying economy. If Clinton isn’t the nominee, we’ll know it was because of them and a DNC that rigged the game so blatantly they were willing to disenfranchise two crucial states! And they sure enjoyed themselves when they did it, even going so far as mocking the rest of us when we told they’re hurting the party and Obama.
The hell with them! Besides, Obama is not even qualified to be a serious presidential candidate. He is not! Why would I give such power, in a time of crisis no less, to someone who continues to believe one speech (with no action to back it up), some community organizing, and spending early years in Indonesia as a little kid prepares him to be president?! It’s absolutely absurd! An Obama presidency would be the worst possible outcome: Democrats would get all the blame for Bush’s mess since Obama obviously won’t have a clue as how to undo the damage.
You’re a McCain voter right Nathan?
As the interview on Fox News illustrates, the unknown “Obama Factor” and his normal politician tactics will sink his ship, and that is why Obama will lose in the General Election. I hope that the delegates will realize this come July…
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Questions Surround Obama’s Campaign:
http://questionbarackobama.blogspot.com
Hatred of Hillary (and the Clintons) may get Obama the nomination….
Once Obama loses that - and the free ride from the anti-Clinton press that goes with it - all he’ll have is the likes of Richardson saying how “special” Obama is.
Can he get elected with the coalition of the “special”? It’s a gamble we should not be taking.
I don’t see that hate anymore, really, I see sexism, and I see a lot of spoiled, no talent corrupt boys, bloggerz, and otherwise, ranting about the indignities of a woman kicking their self entitled, insecure fat butts, but hate?
Not really.
We will see hate if she wins the nomination, and that from the republicans.
Unless McCain does take the high road, in terms of playing the usual Clinton violin, which he might.
You all are the whiniest pile of punks I’ve ever seen in my life!
Agreed totally, noquarterusa. Am totally turned off by “progressive” blogosphere and TV. I’ve never seen such reprehensible language and coverage, and refuse to be around it. At least with right-TV, you’re getting some use of real facts when applied to a candidate.
The Jeremiah Wright factor may have sunk in the subconscious of a number of Democrat-inclined voters, for now. But trust the GOP to make Rev. Wright this year’s “Ultimate Comeback Kid” if Pelosi, Dean, Kennedy, Kerry, Leahy and all the other Obamabots succeed in making Rezko’s best friend the party nominee! Between Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama, I would rather have the Barbie clone any day - although I am still praying for the White House to have a first gentleman in January 2009 instead.
Karl Rove must be just waiting to get at Obama, he must be putting together his files every time I see him on FOX he gives us bits and pieces as he set the stage, he is making Obama his study, and if anyone listening to Rove cannot take a hint as to exactly all that he would be throwing at Obama well they all better wake up.
On the rare occasion that Fox gets something right, of course you should quote it. As for the other so-called progressive websites, considering how much they get wrong in their attacks on Clinton they have no moral high-ground from which to criticize anybody.
Am I happy Karl Rove is on Fox Noise instead of an 8×5 where he belongs, doing the eternal frog march?!
F*** NO.
Does it bother me this seditious traitor is telling it like it is? NO
He is working with facts that are not in public domain and threw the obvious stuff out there to establish a base line.
What was revealing about what Karl Rove said was how easily it rolled of his tongue…He made no comparative statements.
What is the most disturbing? “Your wearing me out bro”
He should get some rest and admit it for a second time he is not able to answer the phone at any time of day.
I mean can you see Obama working a split shift 3 to 7 at dairy milking the cows?
So..Teak..Put down your guitar and go to Bed..
Yes..I can see Obama milking cows..thats what he does best..didn’t you see him on with a bunch of them the other day..He wuz milking them good..
Lets see..What is the name of that day time Show..??
Goodnite Teak..
They don’t want you to use Republicans as your source, but they don’t want you to use progressives like Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame as your source either. Given that they have flamed every known progressive who isn’t in the tank for Obama, it’s sort of clear that they don’t care who the source is–really–as long as that source is pro-Obama.
They’ll rave about Chuck Hagel and Colin Powell–REPUBLICANS–one day, and tout their consideration for VP, if it suits their hypocrisy. And, the very next day, they’ll turn around and whine about progressive blogs using Republicans as a source.
It’s rank hypocrisy. The clear fact is that Obama’s supporters have, like their candidate, failed to win over the vast majority of Democrats. They cannot win in November; but they’ll take the Democratic Party down with them by forcing the Democratic Party to bend to their will.
Fine. Let the Dems go down, says I. I won’t be a party to it. I’m not voting for Barack Obama in November. I’m voting for Hillary Clinton; or I’m not voting. And, if–WHEN–John McCain becomes the President, Markos will say it was all Hillary Clinton’s fault. Because Markos is nothing if not a hypocrite.