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	<title>Comments on: Words and the Power of Words: Rove on Obama</title>
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		<title>By: StatBabe</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-188276</link>
		<dc:creator>StatBabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're probably right that Obama's run for president might not have been possible without the trailblazing efforts of Shirley Chisholm and Jesse Jackson.  As to my earlier comment, I've actually heard arguments made from &lt;strong&gt;BOTH&lt;/strong&gt; sides abour Clinton's reference to Jesse Jackson's presidential runs in 1984 and 1988. Nevertheless, I still contend that it was a dumb thing for Clinton to say.  At best, Clinton was pointing out that Obama's South Carolina victory was like that of Jesse Jackson's earlier victories in the state in that it would easily be eclipsed later, and at worst, the reference was a way of marginalizing Obama's candidacy as just another black running for president who will ultimately lose the nomination.

I've listened to people defend Clinton's comparison to Jesse Jackson and others bash Clinton's comparison, and my point, which seems to escape you, is that it was a ham-fisted, stupid thing to say.  My original comment has &lt;strong&gt;NOTHING&lt;/strong&gt; to do with what Jesse Jackson was or was not able to accomplish as much as an observation about Clinton saying something stupid when a more appropriate response would be to congratulate Obama and point out that South Carolina was only one of many primaries/caucuses in the process.

Clearly, Obama initially tried to promote himself as a candidate for president who happened to be black instead of a black candidate for president, which is &lt;strong&gt;WHY&lt;/strong&gt; Obama was intially seen as a racially transformational candidate. And yes, Bill Clinton's remark actually hurt Hillary and helped Obama, which is &lt;strong&gt;WHY&lt;/strong&gt; I said that it was a stupid thing for Clinton to say!

I suppose that I can understand how Jackson supporters might be insulted by the reaction of the Obama campaign to Clinton's comparison, but again, this was not my point.  My &lt;strong&gt;ONLY&lt;/strong&gt; point was that it was a damn stupid thing for Bill Clinton to say--especially since congratulating Obama on his victory and pointing out that it was only one of many primaries/caucuses in the process would have been a &lt;strong&gt;BETTER&lt;/strong&gt; response where Clinton would not have risked offending &lt;strong&gt;ANYONE&lt;/strong&gt;.  Again, the lesson that Clinton seems to have forgotten is that it does not pay to be snarky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably right that Obama&#8217;s run for president might not have been possible without the trailblazing efforts of Shirley Chisholm and Jesse Jackson.  As to my earlier comment, I&#8217;ve actually heard arguments made from <strong>BOTH</strong> sides abour Clinton&#8217;s reference to Jesse Jackson&#8217;s presidential runs in 1984 and 1988. Nevertheless, I still contend that it was a dumb thing for Clinton to say.  At best, Clinton was pointing out that Obama&#8217;s South Carolina victory was like that of Jesse Jackson&#8217;s earlier victories in the state in that it would easily be eclipsed later, and at worst, the reference was a way of marginalizing Obama&#8217;s candidacy as just another black running for president who will ultimately lose the nomination.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve listened to people defend Clinton&#8217;s comparison to Jesse Jackson and others bash Clinton&#8217;s comparison, and my point, which seems to escape you, is that it was a ham-fisted, stupid thing to say.  My original comment has <strong>NOTHING</strong> to do with what Jesse Jackson was or was not able to accomplish as much as an observation about Clinton saying something stupid when a more appropriate response would be to congratulate Obama and point out that South Carolina was only one of many primaries/caucuses in the process.</p>
<p>Clearly, Obama initially tried to promote himself as a candidate for president who happened to be black instead of a black candidate for president, which is <strong>WHY</strong> Obama was intially seen as a racially transformational candidate. And yes, Bill Clinton&#8217;s remark actually hurt Hillary and helped Obama, which is <strong>WHY</strong> I said that it was a stupid thing for Clinton to say!</p>
<p>I suppose that I can understand how Jackson supporters might be insulted by the reaction of the Obama campaign to Clinton&#8217;s comparison, but again, this was not my point.  My <strong>ONLY</strong> point was that it was a damn stupid thing for Bill Clinton to say&#8211;especially since congratulating Obama on his victory and pointing out that it was only one of many primaries/caucuses in the process would have been a <strong>BETTER</strong> response where Clinton would not have risked offending <strong>ANYONE</strong>.  Again, the lesson that Clinton seems to have forgotten is that it does not pay to be snarky.</p>
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		<title>By: yikes</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-188264</link>
		<dc:creator>yikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does anything that happened on September 11th have to do with going to war in Iraq?

They have absolutely nothing to do with each other except the fact that your candidate allowed herself to be duped by Bush and Cheney.    Talk about wrong for America, the repercussions of that vote will be with us for years to come.  I don't want a president who is going to pull the trigger without thinking just because America is scared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does anything that happened on September 11th have to do with going to war in Iraq?</p>
<p>They have absolutely nothing to do with each other except the fact that your candidate allowed herself to be duped by Bush and Cheney.    Talk about wrong for America, the repercussions of that vote will be with us for years to come.  I don&#8217;t want a president who is going to pull the trigger without thinking just because America is scared.</p>
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		<title>By: yikes</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-188249</link>
		<dc:creator>yikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darlin' insults don't mean much to me, so I suggest you save your breath..err fingers.

I have said that I disagree with Obama's vote on the Energy Bill, his vote on the Patriot Act, and his use of the Harry and Louise ads.  He is not my perfect candidate, but in MY opinion he's the best we've got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darlin&#8217; insults don&#8217;t mean much to me, so I suggest you save your breath..err fingers.</p>
<p>I have said that I disagree with Obama&#8217;s vote on the Energy Bill, his vote on the Patriot Act, and his use of the Harry and Louise ads.  He is not my perfect candidate, but in MY opinion he&#8217;s the best we&#8217;ve got.</p>
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		<title>By: randempennsylvanian</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-188128</link>
		<dc:creator>randempennsylvanian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The weak part of Roves argument is the cherry picking of information by the Bush cabal. Add to that all the Democrats he quotes were asking for the inspections to be allowed to play out, something which, of course, Bush could not and would not do because ,another point, he was set to go to war from the start. When you give the devil a chance to frame and answer his own argument, you allow him to bamboozle you. Rove did that masterfully here, but since we KNOW he's the devil, his argument is easier to counter using known facts and information which he leaves OUT of HIS frame.
WE ARE FOOLED NO MORE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weak part of Roves argument is the cherry picking of information by the Bush cabal. Add to that all the Democrats he quotes were asking for the inspections to be allowed to play out, something which, of course, Bush could not and would not do because ,another point, he was set to go to war from the start. When you give the devil a chance to frame and answer his own argument, you allow him to bamboozle you. Rove did that masterfully here, but since we KNOW he&#8217;s the devil, his argument is easier to counter using known facts and information which he leaves OUT of HIS frame.<br />
WE ARE FOOLED NO MORE.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187922</link>
		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad you remember Jesse's Rainbow Coalition.

But at the time, the people who were involved in it, believed that Jesse did have a chance and that's why we joined his coalition. It's demeaning and just as offensive to hear that because white people believe Obama is a legitimate candidate any comparison to Jackson marginalizes him as a black candidate. It's all the more ludicrous because of the way Obama has presented himself to the black communnity as one of our very own, when in fact he's not.

So let me get this straight: he's AA to blacks, but to whites he's what? 

Sorry, but without Jackson's very vigourous run Obama would be braving new territory. 

Again, I ask you to pay attention to the part where I am saying that this is demeaning to what Jackson did indeed accomplish at the time. And again, Bill's statement actually increased his momentum. Wright derailed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you remember Jesse&#8217;s Rainbow Coalition.</p>
<p>But at the time, the people who were involved in it, believed that Jesse did have a chance and that&#8217;s why we joined his coalition. It&#8217;s demeaning and just as offensive to hear that because white people believe Obama is a legitimate candidate any comparison to Jackson marginalizes him as a black candidate. It&#8217;s all the more ludicrous because of the way Obama has presented himself to the black communnity as one of our very own, when in fact he&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>So let me get this straight: he&#8217;s AA to blacks, but to whites he&#8217;s what? </p>
<p>Sorry, but without Jackson&#8217;s very vigourous run Obama would be braving new territory. </p>
<p>Again, I ask you to pay attention to the part where I am saying that this is demeaning to what Jackson did indeed accomplish at the time. And again, Bill&#8217;s statement actually increased his momentum. Wright derailed it.</p>
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		<title>By: StatBabe</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187804</link>
		<dc:creator>StatBabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Saddam Hussein was a barbaric, murdering thug that &lt;strong&gt;NEEDED&lt;/strong&gt; to be overthrown.  It would have been far better for the Iraqi people to do it themselves, but given the nature of Saddam's rule, that was not likely to occur without some assistance from outside Iraq. 

Second, and perhaps, more importantly, the ends would have justified the means if Saddam could have been deposed with a minimum of bloodshed, with stability restored in reasonably short order, and with a minimum of destruction of the infrastructure of the country.  Regardless of how you may feel about Iraq now, there is little doubt that public opinion would be completely different if we had been able to rebuild the infrastructure within a matter of months, prop up a reasonably stable government with a minimum of internal violence, and then withdraw troops with only a small contingency left to guard the embassy.  All these cries about "war crimes" would have fallen on deaf ears if the &lt;strong&gt;EXECUTION&lt;/strong&gt; of the war had occurred with the degree of efficiency and competence that I have just outlined.

Frankly, it amazes me to see &lt;strong&gt;ANYONE&lt;/strong&gt; unhappy that Saddam Hussein was deposed.  The guy was pure evil, and if you do not know that, then you obviously have a &lt;strong&gt;VERY&lt;/strong&gt; limited source of information on Iraq.

As I earlier pointed out, I opposed the regime-change resolution back in 1998 since I feared that a power vacuum would ensue that would destabilize the region.  At the time, I had a colleague who was an Iraqi-American.  When I commented to her that I objected to this call for regime change, she proceeded to let me know just how &lt;strong&gt;BAD&lt;/strong&gt; Saddam Hussein was! Believe me when I say that I got an earful! Do you honestly believe that we should have continued to stick our heads in the sand while Saddam was torturing and slaughtering his own people?  Perhaps--certainly an argument can be made for that sort of isolationism (and actually, Bush misled voters into believing that he was an isolationist type of guy in 2000).  But an equally valid argument can be made that a competently executed invasion, occupation, and stabilization of Iraq might have been feasible with competence from the top.  It certainly would have been desirable to the vast majority of voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Saddam Hussein was a barbaric, murdering thug that <strong>NEEDED</strong> to be overthrown.  It would have been far better for the Iraqi people to do it themselves, but given the nature of Saddam&#8217;s rule, that was not likely to occur without some assistance from outside Iraq. </p>
<p>Second, and perhaps, more importantly, the ends would have justified the means if Saddam could have been deposed with a minimum of bloodshed, with stability restored in reasonably short order, and with a minimum of destruction of the infrastructure of the country.  Regardless of how you may feel about Iraq now, there is little doubt that public opinion would be completely different if we had been able to rebuild the infrastructure within a matter of months, prop up a reasonably stable government with a minimum of internal violence, and then withdraw troops with only a small contingency left to guard the embassy.  All these cries about &#8220;war crimes&#8221; would have fallen on deaf ears if the <strong>EXECUTION</strong> of the war had occurred with the degree of efficiency and competence that I have just outlined.</p>
<p>Frankly, it amazes me to see <strong>ANYONE</strong> unhappy that Saddam Hussein was deposed.  The guy was pure evil, and if you do not know that, then you obviously have a <strong>VERY</strong> limited source of information on Iraq.</p>
<p>As I earlier pointed out, I opposed the regime-change resolution back in 1998 since I feared that a power vacuum would ensue that would destabilize the region.  At the time, I had a colleague who was an Iraqi-American.  When I commented to her that I objected to this call for regime change, she proceeded to let me know just how <strong>BAD</strong> Saddam Hussein was! Believe me when I say that I got an earful! Do you honestly believe that we should have continued to stick our heads in the sand while Saddam was torturing and slaughtering his own people?  Perhaps&#8211;certainly an argument can be made for that sort of isolationism (and actually, Bush misled voters into believing that he was an isolationist type of guy in 2000).  But an equally valid argument can be made that a competently executed invasion, occupation, and stabilization of Iraq might have been feasible with competence from the top.  It certainly would have been desirable to the vast majority of voters.</p>
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		<title>By: isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, just bm'ed yr site but cant go there</description>
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		<title>By: StatBabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>StatBabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I remember Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition quite vividly, and I actually &lt;strong&gt;LIKED&lt;/strong&gt; Jackson for what he did with that organization as well as his speeches on the stump when he was running for president.  But Jackson did not have a realistic change of becoming the Democratic nomination for president back then anymore than Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ron Paul, or any other candidate on the margin has a shot at becoming the presidential nomination for a major party.

At the time that Bill Clinton made his comparison to Jesse Jackson, I felt like Clinton was taking a jab at the fact that Obama was a black candidate for president.  Up until that point, Obama had run as a candidate for president who happened to be black--at least, he started out his campaign that way.  Frankly, I think that Bill Clinton would have been better off congratulating Obama on his victory and then saying that this was only one primary out of many.  Clinton could have pointed out that South Carolina was the &lt;strong&gt;ONLY&lt;/strong&gt; state that John Edwards won in 2004, but then, he would have taken a chance on offending Edwards. Bill Clinton needs to re-learn that it doesn't pay to be snarky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I remember Jesse Jackson&#8217;s Rainbow Coalition quite vividly, and I actually <strong>LIKED</strong> Jackson for what he did with that organization as well as his speeches on the stump when he was running for president.  But Jackson did not have a realistic change of becoming the Democratic nomination for president back then anymore than Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton, Ron Paul, or any other candidate on the margin has a shot at becoming the presidential nomination for a major party.</p>
<p>At the time that Bill Clinton made his comparison to Jesse Jackson, I felt like Clinton was taking a jab at the fact that Obama was a black candidate for president.  Up until that point, Obama had run as a candidate for president who happened to be black&#8211;at least, he started out his campaign that way.  Frankly, I think that Bill Clinton would have been better off congratulating Obama on his victory and then saying that this was only one primary out of many.  Clinton could have pointed out that South Carolina was the <strong>ONLY</strong> state that John Edwards won in 2004, but then, he would have taken a chance on offending Edwards. Bill Clinton needs to re-learn that it doesn&#8217;t pay to be snarky.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first of all, what Obama is quoted as saying in the beginning of the clip is true - Bush lied us into war.  All of Rove's nonsensical quoting of Clinton in 1998 does not change the fact that Bush lied us into war. It IS however true that once in the Senate Obama clammed right up and kissed Bush's ass.  He has little to be proud of on that score.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first of all, what Obama is quoted as saying in the beginning of the clip is true - Bush lied us into war.  All of Rove&#8217;s nonsensical quoting of Clinton in 1998 does not change the fact that Bush lied us into war. It IS however true that once in the Senate Obama clammed right up and kissed Bush&#8217;s ass.  He has little to be proud of on that score.</p>
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		<title>By: ownan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ownan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always has the feeling that this dem primaries in away Rove had something to do with it.  It just doesn't make any sense to any sane democrat what the heads in the party are doing.  I can understand kennedy and Kerry's petty jellousy but what wrong with Dean?  something awfully sinster is going on.  I don't think Obama has it in him to do all that damage...you guys are giving him waaaay tooo much credit.  should stick with Hillary to the end... I mean if god forbid that clown wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always has the feeling that this dem primaries in away Rove had something to do with it.  It just doesn&#8217;t make any sense to any sane democrat what the heads in the party are doing.  I can understand kennedy and Kerry&#8217;s petty jellousy but what wrong with Dean?  something awfully sinster is going on.  I don&#8217;t think Obama has it in him to do all that damage&#8230;you guys are giving him waaaay tooo much credit.  should stick with Hillary to the end&#8230; I mean if god forbid that clown wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187649</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"&lt;i&gt;. The invasion, in many ways, waa probably the LEAST of those errors.&lt;/i&gt;"

Say WHAT?! So, committing the greatest war crime of all - an act of pure, unjustified aggression is OK as long as you do it "right"?

Listen and try to understand that there absolutely no "right" way to do something that is fundamentally wrong. The bottom line that must be kept at the forefront at all times is that the United States had no reason and no right to attack or occupy Iraq, has no right or reason to be there now, and needs to get out soon, quickly, and completely. The overwhelming majority of Iraqis understand that this is the only hope for Iraq.

And I am not singling you out here, but I am really tired of hearing people talk about what kind of "solution" was needed in 2002 to the "Iraq problem". What we had then - just as what we have now regarding Iran - was a crisis manufactured out of whole cloth in order to justify what the administration had decided long ago to do. There was no solution needed because there was no problem. Saddam was contained, on his way out, and the Iraqi people and the country of Iraq was a million times better off with that despot than they are now or will be at any time in the foreseeable future. Ask any Iraqi you like - except, of course for the 15-20% who are benefiting by their collaboration. The rest will tell you very clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>. The invasion, in many ways, waa probably the LEAST of those errors.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Say WHAT?! So, committing the greatest war crime of all - an act of pure, unjustified aggression is OK as long as you do it &#8220;right&#8221;?</p>
<p>Listen and try to understand that there absolutely no &#8220;right&#8221; way to do something that is fundamentally wrong. The bottom line that must be kept at the forefront at all times is that the United States had no reason and no right to attack or occupy Iraq, has no right or reason to be there now, and needs to get out soon, quickly, and completely. The overwhelming majority of Iraqis understand that this is the only hope for Iraq.</p>
<p>And I am not singling you out here, but I am really tired of hearing people talk about what kind of &#8220;solution&#8221; was needed in 2002 to the &#8220;Iraq problem&#8221;. What we had then - just as what we have now regarding Iran - was a crisis manufactured out of whole cloth in order to justify what the administration had decided long ago to do. There was no solution needed because there was no problem. Saddam was contained, on his way out, and the Iraqi people and the country of Iraq was a million times better off with that despot than they are now or will be at any time in the foreseeable future. Ask any Iraqi you like - except, of course for the 15-20% who are benefiting by their collaboration. The rest will tell you very clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"&lt;i&gt;You are arguing a pointless semantic with regards to this election. Over here it is a factor but not only factor.&lt;/i&gt;"

1) We may disagree on just how important foreign policy is, but it has nothing to do with semantics, so please learn what "semantic" means and use it correctly.

2) For the third time (or so), I have not said Iraq is "the only factor". I have said that foreign policy and military policy, too, are CRITICAL factors, and any American who closes his eyes to that is playing a very risky game with his own life and the state of the entire world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>You are arguing a pointless semantic with regards to this election. Over here it is a factor but not only factor.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>1) We may disagree on just how important foreign policy is, but it has nothing to do with semantics, so please learn what &#8220;semantic&#8221; means and use it correctly.</p>
<p>2) For the third time (or so), I have not said Iraq is &#8220;the only factor&#8221;. I have said that foreign policy and military policy, too, are CRITICAL factors, and any American who closes his eyes to that is playing a very risky game with his own life and the state of the entire world.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187588</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, enjoying is not exactly the word.

Today, by the way, is the first anniversary of the beginning of the 15 year Lebanese civil war, and there are lots of events going on this week. Today in the "downtown" area there was a very nice march commemorating the day, and tonight I attended an interesting event as well. The majority of the population do not, of course, want a repeat of that 15 years of hell, but as usual the "leaders" do not really care about that. 

And if there is a democracy in the Middle East, it is Lebanon where they have been holding vibrant elections for decades - something very few Americans have any idea about.

So, whether it is America or Lebanon, well, so much for democracy! The will of the people in important matters still does not count for much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, enjoying is not exactly the word.</p>
<p>Today, by the way, is the first anniversary of the beginning of the 15 year Lebanese civil war, and there are lots of events going on this week. Today in the &#8220;downtown&#8221; area there was a very nice march commemorating the day, and tonight I attended an interesting event as well. The majority of the population do not, of course, want a repeat of that 15 years of hell, but as usual the &#8220;leaders&#8221; do not really care about that. </p>
<p>And if there is a democracy in the Middle East, it is Lebanon where they have been holding vibrant elections for decades - something very few Americans have any idea about.</p>
<p>So, whether it is America or Lebanon, well, so much for democracy! The will of the people in important matters still does not count for much.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187572</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"&lt;i&gt;It is almost certain that this country will re-instate the draft if anyone’s paying attention...&lt;/i&gt;"

Good. I hope they do. Then maybe Americans will realize what attacking other countries is really costing them and do something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>It is almost certain that this country will re-instate the draft if anyone’s paying attention&#8230;</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Good. I hope they do. Then maybe Americans will realize what attacking other countries is really costing them and do something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187538</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate is strong word, but I can say that &lt;strong&gt;I don't like him&lt;/strong&gt;.  I don't like how manipulative he is.  He is a true Pied Piper, and it makes me ill to see so many impressionable people falling for his BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate is strong word, but I can say that <strong>I don&#8217;t like him</strong>.  I don&#8217;t like how manipulative he is.  He is a true Pied Piper, and it makes me ill to see so many impressionable people falling for his BS.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187527</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I am concerned, there needs to be a New Democratic Party.  Either the extreme left needs to leave the current Democratic Party, or the majority moderate/conservative Democrats need to support a new "NDP".  The progressives can then have their own little party where they can fight amongst themselves into political irrelevance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I am concerned, there needs to be a New Democratic Party.  Either the extreme left needs to leave the current Democratic Party, or the majority moderate/conservative Democrats need to support a new &#8220;NDP&#8221;.  The progressives can then have their own little party where they can fight amongst themselves into political irrelevance.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187524</link>
		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Obama and his supports have followed a campaign based on thuggery.&lt;/strong&gt;  I don't want a THUG in the Whitehouse.  This reminds me of techniques that union organizers have used in the past.  Intimidate your opponents into aquiescence.  Good people need to stand and counter these thugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Obama and his supports have followed a campaign based on thuggery.</strong>  I don&#8217;t want a THUG in the Whitehouse.  This reminds me of techniques that union organizers have used in the past.  Intimidate your opponents into aquiescence.  Good people need to stand and counter these thugs.</p>
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		<title>By: HoosierHoops</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187479</link>
		<dc:creator>HoosierHoops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's sure good to hear from you Shirin..
I, for one, have missed your posts.. Hope you are enjoying yourself over there.
-the hoopster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sure good to hear from you Shirin..<br />
I, for one, have missed your posts.. Hope you are enjoying yourself over there.<br />
-the hoopster</p>
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		<title>By: manamongst</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187399</link>
		<dc:creator>manamongst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i was thinking...who in the hell´s dumb enough to believe that someone would actually try to mix chemicals together in a mobile lab bumping acrss a desert full of dust and dirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i was thinking&#8230;who in the hell´s dumb enough to believe that someone would actually try to mix chemicals together in a mobile lab bumping acrss a desert full of dust and dirt.</p>
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		<title>By: manamongst</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/12/words-and-the-power-of-words-rove-on-obama/#comment-187382</link>
		<dc:creator>manamongst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look in the mirror and there shall be your cult...


you´ve got some nerve

cults cling to the bitter end.  so around may when Hillary asks you to drink the coolaid and join her with mcSame will you...I know just kidding even she´s not that crazy.

but when she brings her basketball back to the court to play with Dean and the others will you all follow?

honest question...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look in the mirror and there shall be your cult&#8230;</p>
<p>you´ve got some nerve</p>
<p>cults cling to the bitter end.  so around may when Hillary asks you to drink the coolaid and join her with mcSame will you&#8230;I know just kidding even she´s not that crazy.</p>
<p>but when she brings her basketball back to the court to play with Dean and the others will you all follow?</p>
<p>honest question&#8230;</p>
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