If You Got the Bitters, What’s Your Drug?
By Larry Johnson on April 13, 2008 at 9:33 PM in Current Affairs
I know we have been beating this to death but indulge me. Barack’s candid moment in California is disturbing on two levels. In talking about people from small towns in Pennsylvania and the midwest he said:
And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
That bastard Democrat equates the Bill Clinton economy with the George Bush economy. Bill Clinton presided over dramatic job growth and a balanced Federal budget. George Bush has pillaged the treasury and sent our economy into a downward spiral. And in Barack’s world they are one in the same? You know what? I can understand Bill Clinton being upset with Barack Obama. It is bad enough that Republicans smeared him, but here is a guy who claims to be the face of the Democratic party trashing him. That’s not right.
So what do folks screwed over by bad economic times do? In Barack’s crazy world they buy guns, find Jesus, hate immigrants (especially those wetbacks), and oppose trade. That’s what bitter people do in Barack’s world. If you are really bitter I guess you grab a Glock, take it to Sunday service and shoot anyone who looks latino. Of course, in Barack’s world, this only happens in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Indiana.
But if you have been touched by the light of THE ONE. If you are jonesing for Obama, then you have the inner peace and hope that makes you want to throw your guns away, reject religion, and hug a migrant worker–preferably a student from Kenya. Jesus Christ!
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Obama’s Lessons to be Learned: Odinga Yields in Kenya, Positions Himself for Next Election
Posted on April 13, 2008 by GRL
In a previous post, I discussed the link between Obama and Raila Odinga and the almost eerie demands by Odinga for a 50-50 split of cabinet posts in Kenya. It now appears that a compromise has been worked out…
According to the BBC, a power-sharing agreement was reached on Saturday. Odinga, apparently, is more willing to compromise than his cousin (?) Obama. …
So, Odinga has made a strategic decision to yield on his demands for a 50-50 split of cabinet posts with an eye on the future. Meanwhile, here in the U.S., Obama refuses to budge on the FL and MI delegate issue. With his inexperience showing through a string of gaffes that does not bode well if he is the nominee, not to mention a campaign that has helped split the Democratic party along racial lines, Obama presses forward with the help of party poo-bahs towards a Pyhrric victory in the primaries.
Are the party “leaders” are so intent on ridding themselves of the Clintons that they are willing to tear the party to shreds? It there some pathological mindset in every one of them? Is there no consideration of the long-term consequences of this lemming-like behavior?
If Obama had more political sense he might be looking at Odinga and thinking more strategically. He could pull back and live to fight another day when he is more seasoned and has more distance between himself and albatrosses like Rev. Wright and Rezko. He could run a truly inspiring campaign without playing on race. He’s just starting his Washington career…why the rush? The bitterness he is leaving in his wake may come back to bite him if he loses the nomination or if he wins it by disenfranchising voters and then loses the general election. While Obama preaches hope, it seems the forces pushing him are operating from a place of irrational hostility toward a former President who, with all his faults, managed to leave office with sky-hight approval marks.
Please someone tell me what did Bill Clinton do that creates such insane hatred from the party’s heads. If it wasn’t for him, tell me who would have won over Bush senior. Don’t forget his time on office and what it did for the average person in America and the world. Is it the Monica affair why Kennedy left a woman to die he had an affair with to save his behind, yet he is still left to deciede who get to be the preident of the country. Or is it that their success just ticks the craps out of those loosers.
Let’s make this clear in no uncertain term we are going with Hillary no matter what the outcome is.
He won - you know, he wasn’t “one of the boys” and so he wasn’t supposed to do that. It meant that “one of the boys” couldn’t win and it was their turn, damn it!
Seriously Anglachel’s Journal had done a really great analysis of the fact that the establishment Dems (read that as elite, leberal East Coasters) have always hated Bubba and his “clan”. It started then and they continue to this day to heap scorn on anything Clinton.
Larry a post on TM gave some actual figures on PA economy during the Clinton years and unemployment figures there for that period. Unemployment was cut by more than half. Wages went up. Job creation was obviously way up. During Bush these trends reversed themselves almost 100%. Sorry I did not copy that post to you but perhaps you can get it from the TM web site. But this trashing of the Clinton presidency is not new with team Obama or with his surrogates, including our Speaker of the House. The trashing was obvious in his Reagan the man of ideas speech and has been present in other deliveries. In this fight the Democratic party is tearing itself apart. As we can see after two or three days out in the arena on this, he is apparently going to get away with his clinging to guns, religion and antipathy for immigrants and those not like themselves (read racists).
I think one of the most impressive things Clinton economic policies did was to move 6 MILLION people out of poverty - these were record numbers. (Five million have slipped into poverty since Bush took office.) This was not just the result of a good economy, but of specific programs to help the poor. Clinton got hammereed for welfare reform, but unlike Republicans, his program helped people get child care and training. It also helped by increasing the earned income tax credit which aids the working poor.
When did we go from a society that knows that actions speak louder than words to one that is so easily bamboozled.
As I type this Sally Quinn is on with Joe Scarborough drooling over what a rock star Obama is, confirming my point. Gene Simmons for president!
To me the part where he trashed the Clinton presidency (as he always does) was the worst and most outrageous part of what he said.
I don’t know why the Clintons are not responding to this and reminding the voters of the prosperity under Bill, six million lifted out of poverty. That alone is major. Then there were the 22 million new jobs created, the biggest growth in the economy since the Sixties, an end to the deficit. I know Hillary wants to run as her own woman, but that is a mistake. Any Democrat should be running on Bill’s record of prosperity and peace. Otherwise why choose a Dem over McCain. It is essential to make that clear to voters, Dems are better for the economy. And Bill was one of the best.
That Barack disparages Bill’s record is one of the biggest turnoffs about him. First, it is one more of his many lies. Two, it shows his arrogance and narcissism, thinking he is the only one who can lead. And how he will do this he never says, of course.
Still, I have to say, I am not happy with the way Hillary’s campaign has been fighting back - or not fighting back. One reason B. is ahead, aside from the money and media, of course, is he spins every criticism, never allows it to go unanswered, and goes on the offense.
The big thing both Clintons should be focusing on here is not so much the bitter part, but the insult to the Clinton administration, not as it relates to them, but for the voters, who need to be reminded of that, for their own benefit. They’ve proven thay can improve things and run a country better than any president for over fifty years.
That part should be stressed again and again. And there are ways to do this to preempt the inevitable criticism that anything they say brings out.
Including the fact that that’s why the corporate media is so against them - because they really can bring about change for the better for the people, not for big business.
She is fighting back, but several things are working against her. First, the lying media refuses to report anything remotely favorable to her campaign. Then they distort her comments or comments by her supporters to completely change the meaning of what was said. Statements by her or her supporters disputing the media and Obama’s lies about her original statements are never given any attention.
When Bill comes to her defense, he is then portrayed as some out-of-control wild man. What the Clintons need to do is exactly what they are doing — get out and meet the voters themselves so people can see just how full of shit the media is. It’s no accident that the more people see of Hillary the better they like her, and that the opposite is true of The Elitist Precious One.
What we who really care about the Democratic Party (apparently unlike Dean, Brazile, Pelosi and their fellow Obama worshippers) need to do is continue to support both Clintons and not give up or start nitpicking her campaign. I can’t imagine what it must be like to know that every word that comes out of your mouth is going to be twisted and lied about and sneered at. She is a remarkable person who seems to only get stronger the more they attack her. Obama would have had to take two more vacations by this time if he had had to endure even a fraction of what she has had to deal with.
And one caveat — when I say I care about the Democratic Party I mean it, but I will never vote for Barack Obama for any office anytime anywhere. His outsized ego is driving him to do absolutely anything, up to and including destroying the party, just to win this nomination. Demeaning women, older people, small-town or rural people has never been what this party is about and why party elders are allowing him to do this is beyond me. Dean and Brazile would have done a valuable service for both Obama and the party had they taken him aside and told him to cut it out when he first started the accusations of racism toward the Clintons and anyone who didn’t support him, and then they should have again counseled him when he started attacking and demeaning various demographics. Instead, they encouraged and supported his behavior; and now if he gets the nomination, the party faces a thumping in November from which it may never recover. They can stand around all they want to telling themselves not to worry, that we women will come around and vote for him in November; and I can only speak for myself, but I say Not Now, Not in November, Not Ever. Go away Dean, you incompetent ass, and take Brazile with you.
Larry, it only falls deaf if it isn’t talked about continually, just as many other Obama fuck ups have fallen aside, from his Wright stuff to NAFTA to race baiting to his voting record and his lies!
It isn’t easy to keep going on the lot of them, but to allow just one issue let the others slide by is feeding into his objective of not battling on many fronts and leaves him open to attack Hillary in the false ways he continually does!
But it could backfire if the Clinton campaign tries to keep it alive. He’s already said “Shame on her” [Hillary] today – for twisting his words when she knew what he meant. If the MSM goes along with him, it’s going to look like she’s trying to get political mileage out of a poor choice of words.
He’s spinning this to make it seem like what he meant was that when people are frustrated (bitter) they turn to faith, family, and traditions like hunting, to get them through hard times. And that people start to resent outsiders coming in and taking their jobs. It doesn’t sound so bad if you put it that way.
But - if that was his point – why the heck did he START his list with “So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they CLING TO GUNS…”? That’s the first “comfort” that came to mind? Hunting? Really?
That’s his problem. He ALWAYS means something else. Too bad he came out immediately and claimed that he meant what he said and he was sticking by it.
Right. They’re going to hammer Hillary regardless if she makes it an issue or keeps quiet. If she keeps quiet the media will ask why isn’t she defending him.
This is a cut to the chase moment. I don’t think she can let it slide.
Obama’s strategy.
You know how there was talk of the CIA giving Iran the blueprints for a nuclear bomb, early in the “terrorism war?”
Who said they gave them the right blueprint?
Could have put them behind indefinitely.
Anyway, that’s what I think of when I see Obama’s PR teams.
Larry..
To tell You the Truth..My Impression of what Senator Obama said about people being “BITTER”comes from His Own experiences in the comminitys He has associated with in Chicago..Just listen to What Pastor Jeremiah Wright said in those famous clips…Anger…Bitterness toward the Government..and the Rich White Mans System and the Jews…This is being taught in HIS Church…its bad enough that Black Church Congregations and Children have to hear this and take that anger and resentment home…but then Gangster nrappers Have all that in thier Music which Creates more Anger, Bitterness, Get a gun and shot someone mind think..
That is the “Bitterness” than Obama relates to and Experiences..
He just made the Mistake of saying that the people of Pennsylvaia feel the same way that Pastor Wright and His congregation feel in Chicago..and its mostly
just Hunters in pennsylvania with deer rifles..not the AK4e7 Assault Rifles you are used to..
Sorry Barack, Thanks to Pastor Wright, Chicago does not look like another City of Brotherly Love..
We don’t need anymore DESTRUCTION of America or American Society..We don’t need any more lack of Sensitivity to All Our Domestic and foreign problems or Diversity..We Don’t need it from Bush ..or another Republican..We don’t need it from someone of Narrow Experience like Senator Obama..
We know that senator Clinton is Qualified and Experienced..
Hillary…THE RIGHT ONE..RIGHT NOW..RIGHT ON..
Please, where??? did you get the telling video of BO’s telling speech?
Thinking you also read the full text on huffington (though it’s buried now of course under hillary trashing, I think it is still there somewhere. Can you paste a full copy on your Post list, so others could see all that he said? (it’s still at huff.somewhere but buried, of course, under hillary-trashing.
Don’t you think (reading his complete statement - especially with the video for more impact - that what MSM has thus far covered is really the tip of the iceberg? As you can hear, I’m really wanting to see more of the juicier quotes keep rippling out (the way Rev. Wright’s tirades did). Do you think that can happen? Is there anything we can do to help that to happen?
Also, I read somewhere that his actual remarks also included “anti-gay” along with guns,etc. Did I read that here? Do you know about that? It’s important to me because I am writing an article and can’t locate which reference for that. If that was in the statement, how is it not in the audio? (was it a prior or later sentence?
And how did this wind up making its way from Huffington to MSM?! (think Fox was first, is that right?)
On a different, yet to reach MSM much MORE telling note: Can you provide a link directly to the video source of the Jewish female humanitarian who was lambasted at MLK event?
I realize that story doesn’t have the value of coming directly from the candidate’s mouth. But surely it is worth national attention when yet another b.t. minister says: “Now that Barack is our leader, we can come out with our hatred (or words to that effect) of the Jews!”
Would sure like to see THAT reach MSM soon. On the heels of BO’s SF projection of bitterness and hatred, his LA minister/backer’s unreserved venom would wake up more voters than just those who are jewish.
If you to to
http://www.standwithus.com/app/iNews/view.asp?ID=350
you will find information about Daphna Ziman who was the humanitarian that was verbally attacked at an awards ceremony by Rev. Eric Lee.
You can find a video of Daphna describing the horrible treatment she received here:
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=296170508
I watched a video of her telling her story which was very compelling. She is a very articulate person.
She’s a liar and not a good one.
takes one to know one.
If you know where a full video, or a video of Obama making these comments about Pennsylvania voters can be found please let me know by responding to this thread.
Susan posted the video clip in the previous thread;
it is really appalling…
The gay comment was actually in his whitewashed RESTATEMENT. Not the oringinal comment.
Salo: Do you have a link to that? Thanks.
Yes, he did get a nice little dig in at Bill Clinton, didn’t he? I’m not quite sure who the adminstrations after Clinton and Bush were though. Have I missed a whole presidency in there? Maybe it wasn’t on planet earth.
There does seem to be a pattern that’s developed since NH, though. The Obama camp strategy is to call anyone who doesn’t vote for Obama a poor uneducated Archie Bunker racist gun-toting bible-thumping insular bigot.
I find the “uneducated whites” references very insulting. I did not graduate college, but it doesn’t mean that I am stupid.
Whenever I hear this “demographic”, it infuriates me. If I, as a white man, were to describe Barack Obama’s black supporters as “uneducated blacks”, then all hell would break loose. I am dumbfounded as to why this is so. If you would like to get technical, black high school graduation rates are considerably lower than whites, while the percentage continuing their education beyond high school is also less. This to me is an indication of also being less educated. Therefore, is it fair to indicate that many of Barack’s supporters are uneducated blacks?
I know this is ridiculous, but it just goes to show the ways in which pundits, and the media create divisions in society, and it really bothers me.
Last I heard, of the membership of Mensa 1/2 had college degrees and 1/2 didn’t. So any insults about uneducated whites or uneducated anybody is, at the very least, patently stupid.
Interesting. I wasn’t aware of this statistic.
I was a member, that’s how I know. I left because many of them were acting like unspanked shildren.
I found many of them redolent with stink of Loser, in my town, and eschewed their company.
It is good to be free of fellows who are gamy…
And you are not unlike lots of folks who didn’t graduate college or get to attend college and are quite intelligent or even genius. This is more of an example of his elite privleged views. I’ve been insulted this way for years.
I quit high school, attened college, quit there too. In both cases I had life to live. If Barack Obama wants to pay my tuition, I’ll got Columbia and get my degrees then vote for him.
You’re right. The media has created this division as they like to put the voters into these tidy boxes as if we weren’t the complex creatures that we are.
I saw some statistics awhile ago on the latte voting block and it was something like 52% for Obama and 48% for Clinton. Not really that far apart but if you listen to the MSM you’d think it was 90/10 in Obama’s favor.
It is true that the blue collar goes predominately to Clinton but that is probably because they vote on bread and butter issues like healthcare and the economy. They have a more realistic view of life. It doesn’t mean they’re bigots or gun crazies or religious nuts.
So, when those stupid Obamabots sneer at the Clinton supporters it’s just because they are the ones that aren’t educated on the facts and don’t know their statistics very well.
“Not really that far apart
but if you listen to the
MSM you’d think it was 90/10
in Obama’s favor.”
On other blogs it seems like the percentage is 90/10. No Quarter is where I go to get my sanity back. And don’t confuse those folks with facts. And don’t talk about fact Vs opinion. Half of them can’t even read with any understanding. And theur writing is atrocious.
You don’t hear about it because it doesn’t fit their argument.
And yet …
Those same people are in fact as silent about the Obama onslaught against facts — not just his lies — but the convenient factual errors of ommission as well as commission that the media perpetrates. When the CNN articles in their “politics” secition online are all probama and “bad” Hillary, the impact eventually shows up in polls.
Yeah, sometimes I read about Obama comparing the Clinton 8 years to those of the Bushes or St. Ronnie, and I have to ask myself if he really feels he is a Democrat–I mean, did he just run on the Dem line because he had to get elected in Chicago initially?
There’s just so much wrong with his comments to the SF donors. And he seemed to feel absolutely comfortable saying them, what with no press….
Oops.
I wonder if Obama’s grandparents were Democrats or Republicans. Hawaii is mostly Democratic — but there are lots of Republicans — mostly retired people from the mainland.
IF his grandparents were Republicans — Obama may have a more GOP world view than a Democratic world view. His grandparents were from Kansas — and Kansas is largely Republican.
His grandfather’s best friend was supposedly a communist, so I doubt they were Republicans.
Unless they were friends of Dick “Stalin” Cheney.
It seems that we already have a 3 party political system: the Democratic Party, the republican party, and the Obama party.
Very astute of you! I call it factionalism, but what do I know? I’m a highschool / college drop out who chose to feed my family on my basic retail management job.
See the comment that I made above on the membership of Mensa (the society for the top 2% of I.Q.s, for those who didn’t already know).
There’s a new article in the NY Times by Bill Kristol that delves into Obama’s “bitter voters” remarks. He really sticks it to Obama.
The Mask Slips
By WILLIAM KRISTOL
Published: April 14, 2008
“What does this mean for Obama’s presidential prospects? He’s disdainful of small-town America — one might say, of bourgeois America. He’s usually good at disguising this. But in San Francisco the mask slipped. And it’s not so easy to get elected by a citizenry you patronize.
And what are the grounds for his supercilious disdain? If he were a war hero, if he had a career of remarkable civic achievement or public service — then he could perhaps be excused an unattractive but in a sense understandable hauteur. But what has Barack Obama accomplished that entitles him to look down on his fellow Americans?”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/opinion/14kristol.html?hp
Devastating. Kristol knows how to do it. Very effective critique. I can’t believe I find myself agreeing with Bill Crystal!!!!!!! Every word of it. Is the sun going to rise in the west tomorrow?
Thanks for sharing the link.
I fail to udnerstand how anyone can take Kristol seriously.
I think he’s nuts, and not intelligent, at all.
It is a preview of all of the opinions to come if he is the Democratic candidate. It doesn’t really matter that we think he is not electable. John McCain has every intention of making certain that everyone who has not heard or parsed or defended or explained the San Francisco statements hears them again and again and again and by the time people stand in voting booths, undecideds will have no doubt as to who — without an iota of reasoning behind it that resonates with voters — has a low opinion or them.
Throw in reminding MI and FL voters that they don’t count and McCain wins comfortably.
PLEASE do not cite William Kristol if you can help it. Kristol is a manipulative PNAC neocon. If he said this about Obama today, he’ll turn around and make nasty about Hillary tomorrow. I keep hoping that Kristol will just go away.
Meanwhile, shame on Barack Obama for this elitist comment.
I find Kristol repulsive and seldom agree with anything he says. I think he’s a lying piece of crap. But, and here’s why it’s important to read what he said; this is what is gonna be thrown at Obama nonstop in a general.
And Obama, having had the media shilling for him nonstop from the gitgo isn’t going to fare well against a real onslaught.
He and his supporters whine like wimps every time Hillary or her supporters “dare” to actually mention anything he’s said that isn’t favorable. No wonder they want her out of the race since they don’t believe she has the right to actually campaign against the Royal Anointed One. They ain’t seen nothin yet.
What will he do when the media comes after him?
And what will left Blogistan do when they attack McCain and half the Democratic Party yawns? We waited patiently for any fairness or decency from the media and most of Left Blogistan. And now we should be outraged at attacks on Obama? Oh please.
IIRC, he talked about 25 years of Washington stiffing the rural/small town PA areas. So he must have thought they did OK under St. Ronnie. And then began with Poppy, then Clinton, followed by Bush II??
Just weird.
Very, not the best use of a high dollar education.
It’s important to point out WHOM Obama is really insulting here beyond Bill Cliinton. Conflating gun toters, religious types, xenophobes, and racists into ONE group who are “bitter” about job loss really takes the cake! What I find really insulting is that this elitist snob seems to be saying that all those whose views on guns, religion, immigration, and/or racial issues do not conform to his own views are that way because they are “bitter”. It’s bad enough that I am thrown into the same group with holy rollers, xenophobes, and racists because I happen to like my guns, but it’s even more maddening that I am labeled as “bitter” for wanting to retain my rights as a gun toter.
Mr Johnson thanks for bringing up what was bouncing around the threads for a while now.
I saw StatBabe’s ‘holy rollers’ and had to drop out of hyperspace, just as I was whizzing by at warp five,
(you know the speed at which four administrations are blurred just enough to be conveniently skewered for a selfish political purpose?)
Every Sunday morning the church, next door to the shotgun shack I was living in, had the most wonderful ‘holy rollers’ choir. I was inescapably compelled to find redemption, or have the pillow forever over my hungover head.
Obama offends and does not seek it, instead he follows the first rule; he covets.
Frustration and bitterness, like a plague upon the land, is now to include urban areas as well, Obama said to night. He said “It’s true”! Just ask Pharaoh Thutmose I (1540-1504 B.C.)
Everyone else but him must seek it; the bitterness like the waters of the Nile in the time of the Pharohs.
The the basket of Moses; frustration, set a drift in a desperate attempt at salvation.
Whats BO going to do next? Part the Red Sea?
Larry, you make too much sense for a mole working for the Republicans. I laughed when I saw you comment that some people accuse you of that, considering Obama is the Republican’s dream candidate to run against. If you are a mole, you should definitely not give up your day job, dude.
May I propose we all invest in a cure for Kool-aid poisoning for the “leaders” of the Democratic party? I tell you one thing, they are showing us their true colors — a nasty vile puke green. Yes, all will be well when Hillary is nominated: we will once again embrace our “leaders” for the good of the country. But these assholes really do piss me off for putting us through this unnecessary bullshit!
Those “evil” Clintons — all that horrific peace and prosperity — things indeed to despise! Maybe in the alternate Obama Kool-aid drinking universe, but not this one. Last time I checked, we live in this universe, not the one ruled by the Sith Lord Obama and his minions of Kool-aid drinkers.
I thought Hillary was cool before she decided to run for President. After seeing what she has been put through by the nauseating Obama/MSM/Democratic Party “leader” trifecta, I’ve altered my life to try and help her, as I see many many other people have done.
Keep the faith, Hillary will prevail!
I think it’s time that the grunts in the Democratic party take the party back from the elitist Pelosi, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, clique. The voters in those states should put these Democrat’s feet to the fire. Vote them out, please! Send them a message loud and clear! I know Dean is the head of the DNC, so I am not sure how he can be voted out of his position, but I hope there is a way. I am sick of their crap.
“That bastard equates the Bill Clinton economy with the George Bush economy.”
Imagine if you read a column about Hillary that referenced her as “That bitch…”. Just pointing out the obvious. A little class never hurts, Larry.
Larry is telling the “truth” that Obama is a “bastard”. Look up the definition if you don’t know already.
I don’t know. You defile the reputation of the only successful two term Democratic president to run on your skinny, slimey little resume — using his words here: a “46 year old black guy named Barack Obama” who has no issue with your followers calling your opponent a f+++ing w+++e. I think that bastard is not only appropriate, but mild by comparison. I am a resident of a small town in Ohio and I approve Larry’s message.
I, too, endorse Larry’s message.
Not only is Obama a bastard for equating the Clinton economy with the Bush economy, but he’s also a huge hypocrite.
He literally SNEERS at the “bitterness” of the white community in PA, looking down his arrogant nose at them.
But the BITTERNESS in his own community, as shown in Rev. Wright’s ridiculous sermons, is to be commended—according to Obama and his bots—as someone “with the courage to finally tell the truth.”
Perhaps Obama should just STAY in his own Illinois community and improve THEIR bitterness before he gives judgemental speeches about Pennsylvania.
Or perhaps Obama should help the politicians in PA get a grip on the Black-on-Black violence on the streets of large cities in Pennsylvania.
But frankly, Obama EMBRACING the bitterness of Wright’s community and JUDGING the “bitterness” of PA communities strikes me as shallow and purely political.
Obama is not ready to be the President of the United States. Period.
I suggest No Quarter readers look at Michael Goodwin’s article. Snob-ama slight a big-time error. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/04/13/2008-04-13_snobama_slight_a_bigtime_error.html
I say Obama is not honest, not sensitive, and not spiritual in any authentic form. His expressed convictions don’t come from a place of inner reflection or moral conscience. He is superficial. Otherwise, Tabula Rasa Obama could not in the words of Goodwin - “in one sentence….de-legitimize every choice people in America are free to make.” I say he is not an empathic man, which means he has little genuine conscience. Obama is blind to his soaring hubris that identifies with the rantings of Rev. Wright, or he consciously, cleverly, manipulates the vulnerable. Either way, he is dangerous. His creepy associations, and his over-the-top evasive, cunning, duplicitous qualities make him unfit to be the Democratic nominee or President of the United States. Yes, he patronizes from Elitism, then worms himself out of it while he preaches to his choir. Obama himself, and his media biased supporters don’t want to or can’t understand real Elitism. I say, Elitism is in one’s dark heart, not in one’s bulging (or empty) pocketbook or in one’s level of education. Elitism is an Attitude of arrogance, a duplicity of words, a patronizing, an Orwellian Double-Speak, all intended to manipulate in the quest for power and ever increasing hubris. Any real leader must have love in his heart. Any real leader must have the ability to self-reflect. But without conscience and empathy and humility, there is no love. Obama’s little “compassion”, little intelligence, and little ability to speak coherently in depth, as he evidenced again on tonight’s CNN’s program does not come close to the humanity of Hillary Clinton. Obama is a fake.
Excellent post.
Thanks!
From an interview yesterday at TPM by Clinton Stratagist Garin:
“Whatever we are seeing today,” Garin continued, “Hillary Clinton’s reputation isn’t going to get any worse. And Barack Obama’s isn’t going to get any better. And I believe that Hillary Clinton’s reputation can get a lot better in the months to come.”
Very well said, very insightful, and right on the money!
As you all know.. The hoopster has been half and half Hillary and Obama..
Tonight.. Hillary has shown such grace. In my lifetime no pol has shown such humbleness and strength..insitefulness…I am so impressed..We need this lady to lead us over the bridge of the 21st century.
Nice Insight HOOPS..
Hillary “Touched”Me tonight..She really has “Soul” and I could feel it and see it..One way of getting Grace is really being in Touch with Gods love..Hillary understands..Yes..there are Choices…The “Right” bridge..The “Right” Path…Hillary is on Both..
Humility. The hardest value to live by. The easiest to loss. I agree.
It’s ridiculous. What is particularly galling is that African American outcomes were up more than any other group. He surely must know that. I can not stand this person.
rollllling on the floor!
Mr. LaRRy your last paragraph was 2 funny!
Thanks for the late night chuckle.
I never realized irony could be so hysterical (never forgetting the ultimate SAD part)
I thought Hillary’s performance tonight was stellar, btw!
BO’s was “adequate” for his acolytes and sorely lacking to ME.
WAKE UP KIDS!!
time to wake UP now!
Larry,
Like you I’m so pissed at Obama for trying to destroy one of our best Presidents. Who the hell does this arrogant piece of sh*t think he is? What has he done for anybody to make their lives better. All Obama is about is Obama. He wants the title POTUS period. For him it’s not about restoring America’s greatness in the world and at home. He doesn’t think beyond himself, and that is what sickens me. I had to defend Bill Clinton to a friend of mine who is an Obama supporter. My friend has lost his marbles through this primary. He seriously could not remember how good the economy was doing in the Clinton years. I swear if I ever come across Obama in my life time, he is going to get an earful. If Karma really exist the future is not bright for Obama
barack is a lying disrespectful nitwit
So what do folks screwed over by bad economic times do? In Barack’s crazy world they buy guns, find Jesus, hate immigrants (especially those wetbacks), and oppose trade. That’s what bitter people do in Barack’s world.
It’s what bitter WHITE people do in Barack’s crazy world. n the realworld in which he lives, they sit in a church for 20 years and listen to a crazy man celebrate mass murder, rail against anyone who doesn’t like like them either, and spread the bitterness around like peanut butter on toast.
For me, THAT’S the disgusting crux of this guns/god/bitterness argument. I’ve known more than my share of small town bigots — but if he thinks the people in Rev. Wright’s church don’t qualify just as much, he’s DREAMING. It’s the hypocrisy of it that frosts my tits. The hypocrisy and the way he just casually badmouthed these strange folk with their quaint and strange customs to a bunch of rich shits three time zones away like an anthropologst looking to cozy up to his defense committee.
How the hell can be possibly have a deft foreign policy touch? He can’t even talk to or about the other cultures in his own goddamned country!
Jim Webb: an Obama supporter.
Andy,
Forgive me. I forgot. Anyone who doesn’t agree with Clinton and her supporters are the NEW ENEMY.
Did you read that Hillary also agreed with Obama?
looking good on your new site larry…
when Barack comes here, to my town, to beg money from the billionaires club, while i and others are struggling and on a budget, WHERES THE HOPE IN THAT?
TO BE HONEST I RESENT THAT…
i believe he has spent more than any candidate in the history of a primary, is that what he will do when he hits the white house? spend money like its going out of style? will he be spending all his time with the billionaires?
how dare he, come here and take money that could better be used to help the poor, and than turn around and preach to us about bitter poor people..
I WASNT BITTER BEFORE, BUT NOW THAT HE MENTIONED IT, I BELIEVE I AM QUITE BITTER…
Just words?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ffwY74XbS4
You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Senator Obama these are your real words, thank you for sharing them with us to see the reality of YOU!
President Clinton’s Record on the Economy: In 1992, 10 million Americans were unemployed, the country faced record deficits, and poverty and welfare rolls were growing. Family incomes were losing ground to inflation and jobs were being created at the slowest rate since the Great Depression. Clinton gave us an America that enjoyed what may be the strongest economy ever.
Strong Economic Growth: Since President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, economic growth has averaged 4.0 percent per year, compared to average growth of 2.8 percent during the Reagan-Bush years. The economy has grown for 116 consecutive months, the most in history.
Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: The economy has created more than 22.5 million jobs in less than eight years—the most jobs ever created under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous 12 years. Of the total new jobs, 20.7 million, or 92 percent, are in the private sector.
Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993: Economic gains have been made across the spectrum as family incomes increased for all Americans. Since 1993, real median family income has increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999 (in 1999 dollars).
Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years: Overall unemployment has dropped to the lowest level in more than 30 years, down from 6.9 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. The unemployment rate has been below 5 percent for 40 consecutive months. Unemployment for African Americans has fallen from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in October 2000, the lowest rate on record. Unemployment for Hispanics has fallen from 11.8 percent in October 1992 to 5.0 percent in October 2000, also the lowest rate on record.
Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: Inflation is at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, and it is down from 4.7 percent during the previous administration.
Highest Homeownership Rate on Record: The homeownership rate reached 67.7 percent for the third quarter of 2000, the highest rate on record. In contrast, the homeownership rate fell from 65.6 percent in the first quarter of 1981 to 63.7 percent in the first quarter of 1993.
7 Million Fewer Americans Living in Poverty: The poverty rate has declined from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 11.8 percent last year, the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than there were in 1993.
Well, no news outlets or blogs have bothered to talk to Pennsylvanians so Fox News did. Apparently, you guys and Hillary are the only ones hyperventilating about Obama’s comments. You’re so busy being offended on behalf of Pennsylvanians, you didn’t notice that they really are bitter. Kind of condescending don’tcha think?
DKos diary- watch the videos. Sorry, link thingy, doesn’t seem to work for me.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/13/133215/180/386/494887
Crooks and Liars too.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/13/foxnews-rural-pennsylvanians-find-little-to-argue-with-barack-obama/
That’s all I got, recommence circular firing squad.
I am a little suspicious of these interviews. First of all where is the FOX News logo in the bottom left corner? Why didn’t the interviewer identify herself and sign on and sign off? Most of the time you see the interviewer. Why not this time?
I need more info before I believe FOX News did this. Plus two interviews is anecdotal at best.
hit_escape: “story telling” is hardly an accurate statistical description of reality.
Hit,
McCain hopes this story will help him. Since we now quote Powerline here, something for Drudge should do.
I tell you, I have to see a pretty revolting candidate shoved under my nose to find that McCain looks good to me next to him. That’s right. I would vote for McCain before I would vote for Barack Obama. And I am DEFINITELY not alone. He looks GREAT to me next to Leland Gaunt Obama.
I think you greatly misunderstand just about everything. McCain is a patriot and cares about this country. He knows that a campaign against Hillary would be a well fought campaign of ideas and that the country would be in very good, capable hands if either he or Hillary would become president.
On the other hand, he also knows that Obama is a dispicable politician whose surrogates would label him as pretty much every kind if evil known to man. I saw a pretty hideous article about McCain over at Left Coaster which was way out of line. An Obama candidacy would pretty much be tantamount to inviting even more political polarization in this country. Obama is engendering divisiveness as a weapon during this primary and would continue to engage in these political shenanigans all the way up to election day. Then, when Obama is crushed on election day what will happen? I live in an AA neighborhood and plan to be out of harms way that evening. It isn’t hard to imagine, when looking at our country’s history of riots, that we’ll have some serious problems. Hopefully, it won’t come to that but Obama is dividing and conquering the electorate by playing good americans against other good americans. McCain is absolutely correct by not wanting to have Obama in the general. Nothing good can come from it for our country.
hit_escape, who you calling “they?”
Well, Janis, if you’re from rural Pennsylvania and you’re not bitter over the last 7 years, I’m not referring to you.
I’m no fan of Fox news, but the two average Joe’s they (Fox News) interviewed seem to know their (Allentown, PA) communities pretty well. What did you think of the videos?
hit_escape: Ah, but you see Obama didn’t say over “the last 7 years” and that’s not *all* what Obama said. You miss the point entirely.
Obama said that they were also bitter during the Clinton Administration and he also said that the “bitterness” is why they cling to religion, guns and
the rest? Really?
This is from the NY Times Paul Krugman column on December 13, 2007 regarding the yearly Congressional Budegets Offices “Historical Effective Tax Rate”
…You know you’re a serious wonk when you wait eagerly each year for the arrival of the CBO’s “Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates.” But it’s much more than a tax report — it’s the single best estimate we have of trends in income and income inequality…
…One other thing that’s striking from the report, by the way, is that over the 26 years the estimates span, the only significant gains for the bottom two quintiles, and most of the gains for the middle quintile, took place during the Clinton years…
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/13/bush-boom-bah/
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=8885
[...] wants out there, especially right now with the self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head that is “Bittergate.” I was saddened that the story didn’t gain more traction in the media or the blogosphere. [...]
[...] wants out there, especially right now with the self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head that is “Bittergate.” I was saddened that the story didn’t gain more traction in the media or the blogosphere. [Obama] [...]
Someone at Talk Left pointed me to this website because I have been saying the same thing. Here’s my comment based on research I did today using the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
Jobs did not fall during the Clinton Administration. I went and looked at the BLS for the top 100 US markets under Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43. Bush 41 led in 12 (Gary, Honolulu, Des Moines, El Paso, Little Rock, Fresno, Seattle, Witcha, Riverside/San Bernardino, Tacoma, Raleigh/Durham, Madison). Clinton led in all the rest or 88. None for GWBush.
Here are numbers for Pennslyvania markets:
Allentown
GHWBush 0.59% Clinton 1.72% GWBush 0.00%
Harrisburg
GHWBush 1.18% Clinton 1.73% GWBush 0.31%
Philadelphia
GHWBush -0.95% Clinton 1.51% GWBush 0.14%
Pittsburgh
GHWBush 1.10% Clinton 1.24% GWBush -0.51%
Scranton
GHWBush 0.42% Clinton 1.10% GWBush -0.75%
Indiana and Kentucky Markets
Gary, IN
GHWBush 1.52% Clinton 1.02% GWBush -0.64%
Indianapolis
GHWBush 2.00% Clinton 2.54% GWBush -0.16%
Lexington, KY
GHWBush 2.26% Clinton 2.97% GWBush -1.61%
Louisville, KY
GHWBush 1.97% Clinton 2.40% GWBush -1.70%
Honolulu had cause for economic complaints during the Clinton era, but no one else really did. Ninety-nine major markets increased employment while Clinton was President, running up a total gain of 15.3 million jobs. Honolulu was the only place to suffer a drop losing 6,100 jobs. Atlanta’s growth during the Clinton years was breathtaking, resulting in the addition of 632,400 jobs, the equivalent of 79,050 per year. Four other markets gained at least half-a-million jobs: Chicago, Phoenix, Dallas and New York City.
Under Clinton, Las Vegas led the nation in job-growth rate at 7.3%. Austin, Texas was the runner-up at 5.9%. Pennsylvania and Michigan did lag the national average but every market demonstrated a net gain of jobs.
This needs to be pointed out.
Thank you! This is exactly the point. Obama lies about records to make himself look all heroic. He’s a fucking liar and I’m sick of his shit. AMEN
AMEN…
My portfolio misses him too.
River Daughter is also posting on this tidbit.
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/what-obama-said-was-a-lie-there-were-more-jobs-during-the-clinton-years/
Thank you for the statistics! This is what’s so sick in Obama’s pitch: the bundling of the Clinton Adm. and the Bush Adm as one and the same.
It’s not the first time that BO has thrown the Clinton administration under the bus, but I believe that most people know it’s talk without substance. In a debate he’d have a difficult time substantiating his comment and it could be labeled again as “foreign policy experience”, all talk.
We lived in Cincinnati when Bill Clinton was president. The economy, especially the last 4 years of his 2nd term was great. Everyone that wanted a job could find a job. There were help wanted signs every where. Employers were having trouble finding help, they had to pay more money because there were not enough people for all the jobs. For Obama to lump Bill Clinton in with George Bush Jr. and his rotten economy is not correct at all. Obama needs to be honest and admit the economy went to hell when George jr. took over. I guess that will happen when pigs fly.
Hydrocodone.
How can folks continue to take this crap, even worse to abuse it? That’s what I’m bitter about, and come to think of it, it’s also a bitter tasting drug, especially when regurgitated at 5am!
But about the subject, coming from a smaller town and have lived “in the sticks” in my life (some of my happiest days, with a strong pull to return to the days of fireflies; water holes for swimming and fishing; and summers of whole town BBQs), Obama’s words are so elitist he just further stereotypes today’s Democrats even more.
Grew up when everyone was literally a Democrat (in the South a Republican was a carpetbagger or scaliwag), but everyone was also your neighbor with shared beliefs. Now Dems are the fringe folks in town, taking up issues more inclined to San Francisco and New York (with the mores to go with it) — and being eternal victims. No longer do people have pride to be self-sufficient, they prefer whatever victim label now.
The ills of the Democrat party today is that folks are so partisan; so “victimized”; so angry; and so double talking, I doubt they understand what they’re partisan; victimized; angry and double talking about anymore. That’s not the Democrat party I knew growing up, nope, not at all.
Dems need new leadership, not this crop of “say anything, do nothings”.
Get a deeper understanding of Obama’s “Change”, head to this website.
http://slickbarry.com/
What do you do? You find the best candidate and work your ass off for her. That’s what you do. But you are not just working for your candidate, you are working to make the media responsible and fair, working to call out the elitist candidate on his empty suit policies and views and working to make the DNC see that they cannot disenfranchise voters in two states. It’s a daunting task but it seems that a number of us are willing to put down our guns, leave our churches, pop a Prozac and take it all on.
talked to my wife’s cousin who lies near Pittsburg on the weekend. I asked if she was one of those bitter small towners and she literally sputtered on the phone. After telling me her old grandmother said she was voting for Hillary if it’s the last thing she does, she shocked me by saying she will vote McCain if Obama wins the nomination.
Found this at the Washingtpost comments. Liked the succintness of it ALOT:
Obama, don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. You are a dorky, two-faced urbanite leftist. Your posters here illustrate a breadth of hatred for others that I believe you, and especially your wife and pastor, hold for average Americans. Your vitriolic, anti-white, anti-working class (read white), venom boils just beneath the surface. But in private, it all comes out. Harvard made you a conformist liberal, and south Chicago racial politics perfected it. Your more energetic posters leap to silence and ridicule those who don’t join the uber-liberal group think. I wanted to vote Democratic, but you despise the regular American away from the coasts, deep in your heart. To you, we are “flyover” country. “Working class” to your group means “hick” or “hillbilly” or “redneck.”
You preach unity, but practice division.
Ah, a breath of fresh air even a Peckerwood like me can understand.
Well, then it’s time for Hillary to start hitting him on Ayers and the Weather Underground and why Obama sat on the Woods foundation and held fundraisers with that terrorist, who to this day has not one ounce of regret for what he did, never mind most sane folks credit him and his far-left loonies with ruining the anti-war movement.
Additionally, it’s time for Hillary to bring up what ’successive” admins Obama’s talking about in his snobby speech and hit him with a sledgehammer on the stats of jobs growth and prosperity in PA during her husbands tenure. She should not let that go unturend. It appears the media is trying to pull her strings like a marionette–I say Hill flips ‘em the bird and continues scorching the earth in her Annie-Oakley trailblazing–hee-haw cowboy! Put your hands where I can see them or I’ll shoot you limp-wristed fool!
Annie Oakley shot herself. Yee Haw!!
Pennslyvania Press Still ‘Gets’ Obama - New Press Endorsements in the Wake of ‘Bittergate’
By
Bitter Jon
on April 13, 2008 3:12 PM
Thanks to Cassnjo for alerting me to these. It looks like Bittergate has not had an enormous impact on Obama supporters in the press. Despite attempts to twist Obama’s words, two prominent outlets are stepping up to continue their support and endorsement of Barack Obama.
The Times Tribune - Barack Obama, for leadership
In a sense, Mr. Obama’s clear lead in the national race itself is proof of a changing party and a changing electorate. A generation ago, it would have been inconceivable for two history-making candidates — either the first African-American or first woman to be a major-party presidential nominee — to be locked in a nomination battle this late in the game. Party leaders simply would not have allowed it, and Mr. Obama would have had to “wait his turn.”
Morning Call - Obama’s vision is reason to nominate him
Pennsylvania’s Democratic voters on April 22 will choose between two candidates in the presidential primary. Both are qualified to become the nation’s chief executive. They have more similarities than differences. But, The Morning Call recommends that Sen. Barack Obama be nominated, and we offer three reasons.
http://www.bittervoters.org/
Yawn.
LOL, Uppity!
Cee works feverishly to try and save Obama’s arrogant a**, but it won’t do any good.
Notice, she never even mentions the rabid BITTERNESS in Obama’s own church and pastor, as if THAT is quite ok.
Poor Cee. She lives in Obama’s fantasy world, justifying ONE hatred but ridiculing another.
Dividers, not uniters. YUK
Typical Obama baloney! Just has to come to a Hillary blog and try to shove her candidate down someone else’s throat. No matter how many times people tell her they aren’t interested in her little cut and paste nonsense she just keeps coming back.
Bad case of CDS and also an inflated idea of her own little importance in the world. Desperately seeking attention. Oh and most important of all; wrong.
But she will continue to insist on inflicting her opinion on everyone here instead of hanging on a pro-Obama blog where her strident voice would be just one among many.
Easiest just to ignore trolls. If they don’t get the attention they need and want most will just fade away. Others just keep coming back because they want someone to fight with where they can hide anonymously behind a keyboard. Sad little cowards, the lot of them.
ummm…that newspaper is owned by The Chicago Tribune…so far this election cycle every paper owned by that conglomerate has endorsed their unity pony. (just something you should be aware of). Facts are the coolest thing!
* my correction: the Tribune Co. does not own This paper. They own the The Hartford Courant and The Morning Call in Allentown….my bad Cee
(nonetheless, newspaper endorsements don’t impress me.)
This hasn’t affected Obama supporters, but the entire swath of disaffected middle class and blue collar voters out there, we know you heard it.
Barry’s paper endorsements = megadittos crowd.
Obama not only lied and denigrated small town voters for their cultural values, and called them xenophobes and racists, but he intentionally lied about a successful two-term Democratic President. That is as offensive to me as the rest of it, but few seem to be focusing on that right now, so thanks for doing so. Confluence has some numbers on the jobs during the Clinton administration; but here is another site:
Accomplishments in Pennsylvania during Clinton/Gore:
http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/states/Pennsylvania.html
If you need a fix for your bitterness, try this:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/the-end-of-welfare-as-we-know-it/
NO ONE WILL HIRE ALBERTO GONZALES!! Hilarious.
You know what, NO ONE WILL HIRE OBAMA either after this crazy election. The morons at the DNC, the blogs and the media that prop him up now will disappear in an instant. They don’t want to do that now because of the giant-sized egos. They could save the party and the country if they did. I think Obama should gracefully end his campaign now because HE IS NOT READY! Even his cousin Odigna seems to have come to his senses.
Rasmussen this morning. Superdelegates read polls, right?
Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters nationwide disagree with Barack Obama’s statement that people in small towns “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 25% agree with the Democratic frontrunner while 19% are not sure.
Partisan and ideological differences suggest that the comments are more likely to be a factor in the General Election than in the Primaries. A plurality of politically liberal voters—46%–agree with Obama’s statement while 33% disagree. Moderate voters take the opposite view and disagree by a 51% to 27% margin. Seventy-four percent (74%) of conservatives disagree with Obama’s statement, only 12% agree.
Democrats are fairly evenly divided—34% agree with Obama and 43% disagree. Generally, Obama supporters agree with him while Hillary Clinton’s supporters disagree.
Republicans overwhelmingly disagree with the statement and unaffiliated voters disagree by a two-to-one margin.
Voters under 30 are evenly divided on Obama’s statement while their elders strongly disagree. Fifty-three percent (53%) of African-Americans agree with Obama’s statement while 29% disagree. White voters disagree by a 3-to-1 margin.
Forty-five percent (45%) say that Obama’s comments reflect an elitist view of small town voters. Thirty-seven percent (37%) disagree. Republicans overwhelmingly say that the statements are elitist and most Democrats disagree. Among unaffiliated voters, 40% say they represent an elitist view while 34% disagree.
People who have followed the story are much more likely than other voters to disagree with Obama’s statements and to consider them elitist. To date, just 25% have followed the news story Very Closely while another 30% have followed it Somewhat Closely.
The survey also confirmed that the Obama campaign and its surrogates were very shrewd to try and switch the conversation to whether or not people are bitter and want change in Washington. Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters agreed with Obama’s statement that “People are fed up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter, and they want to see a change in Washington.” Just 32% disagree. Most Democrats and most unaffiliated voters agree with Obama on this point. Clinton’s campaign initially challenged Obama’s use of the word “bitter” but quickly changed its focus to the more controversial aspects of Obama’s statement
We have to remember that his comments in context were about why he will have difficulty in PA getting votes — he was explaining how these clinging white people won’t easily vote for him. Sounds to me like he is making a claim for why he should not be the nominee. However they spin it now, the fact remains that he was a natural at describing these clinging white people revealing how he thinks of them. It was not even like “some people say they are bitter because…” This is him describing those (bitter) people (who won’t vote for him)..
I think all Hillary has to say is …
“Words matter Mr. Obama.”
Uhh…Larry:
George Bush was hit with 9/11.
Oops, I forgot…you said that 9/11 couldn’t happen.
Wouldn’t want to disturb you with another view.
AFTER the Bush tax cuts, everybody (4% unemployment and 3-4% GDP growth) prospered - even government pencil-necks.
What planet are you living on? Cause it’s not planet earth.
I know. It’s Bush World, where facts are fiction and fiction is fact.
Everyone prospered: WTF are you talking about?
You must live in Billionaire’s Row …
Everybody prospered?????
The national debt went from $3 trillion to $9 TRILLION in Bush’s 7 years.
Your children and grandchildren will pay for that, with interest, in higher taxes and fewer services.
Do you even understand the difference between the annual deficit and the national debt?
A lot of Bush supporters don’t get that.
>>> In Barack’s crazy world they buy guns, find Jesus, hate immigrants (especially those wetbacks), and oppose trade. That’s what bitter people do in Barack’s world.
In 1968, they voted for Tricky Dick, too.
This makes TWICE that a big-name Democrat has publicly insulted people who work for a living.
Remember Dean’s comments about getting, “…pickup truck-driving guys with gun racks and Confederate flags…”?
Listen up, Elitist Communist Sympathisizers:
Yeah, YOU, Obamaniacs!
I’ll put my 40 year-old SAT scores against yours any day, along with my Stanford-Binet, and I guarantee that, unless you have worked in some very obscure part of the State Department or CIA or as airline flight crew for a loooooong damned time, that I have set foot upon more places outside CONUS (including Antarctica) than you.
Your mouth flaps about Slavery and its continuing legacy of unfairness, yet you likely have never met a slave.
I actually have met about 80 of them, in the Sudan.
Shit, I even taught American History in French, in Provence. Provence is like Tuscany, Dog, except nudniks like you can’t find it on a map, should you even OWN a map.
That I might own a Model 70, drive a Jeep and celebrate holidays with actual living relatives who either have or have had calluses on their hands does NOT automatically make me a cousing-screwing, line-dancing, dog-fighting, trailer-dwelling rusticant with bad teeth who knows the lyrics to all the verses of, “We Shall Gather at the River.”
And, BTW, I have noted that the majority of people who publicly announce that they have, “…found Jesus…” in times of adversity tend to live behind high walls and wear long strings of digits on their garments, and have ancestors who tend to have NOT been Voluntary Immigrants to our shores.
So, let’s do this:
Discuss how your blind fealty to a charismatic but otherwise reality - challenged hustler reflects a demonstration of Jeffersonian principles of self-government.
Use no more than 4 Blue Books…bitch.
Also known as life experience in the REAL world.
Childlike Stupidity generally borne of living a life of academic theory vs. reality and real-world experience.
Yeah, I also murdered complete strangers just so that Julie Nixon could flap her mouth about, “…dying for President Thieu,” and so that Occidental Petroleum could buy the drilling rights to most of the continental shelf of Vietnam for $105,000,000.
Divide that number by 58,000 and you get an idea of what one American Patriot (Mark One model) is worth to Wall Street.
Does that mean I can’t screw my wife anymore? What do we do with the kids?
What, bored with your niece, too?
There are many vacancies presently in Eldorado, Texas. Good climate, nice white buildings, and, Hey! the Old Lady (-ies) won’t be pising away huge amounts of shekels on cosmetics and froo- froo underbritches.
Shucky-darn! A man could save hisself enough Gringobucks in one year to get a new Bass Boat and some Big and Stoopid Truck Tahrs for the F-250 (SuperDuty!).
Ain’t Freedom of Religion a wunnerful thang?
>>> Model 70
Addendum: Model 70 in .30-06. Model 700’s in .308 and .243. Best damned long-distance, precision fire rifles ever made by Americans.
So Larry, you’re saying that everyone prospered during the Clinton Admin? All those union and manufacturing jobs didn’t disappear (not to say it’s Bill’s fault) during that time… causing folks to slip through the cracks then?
What happened to the “no spin”?
Well, Kev, it’s balanced by other factors, oil prices were low, and the economy was booming, even at that point, other opportunities were available. Clinton expected Gore to further capitalize on his economic success, but then the DUMBEST men in Washington stole the election, and here we are.
This isnt difficult.
You really do think this way, don’t you?
the, sorry, sometimes my fingers get ahead of me, just like thinking to a certain crowd, it just moves too darn fast, they can’t keep up…
Think what way? That even during the Clinton years there were large parts of the population who continued to lose ground? Yep. What, problems w/ reality? Are you saying there weren’t people losing jobs then? That manufacturing and blue collar jobs grew?
If Obama were elected just what would he do to bring back manufacturing jobs? Will he get the good Rev. Wright to pray for new jobs. If it were really that easy he could have made a difference somewhere, somehow already. Instead, he turned his back on his constituents and helped get his political godfather 100 million in grants while the impoverished tenents who were supposed to be helped got nothing, not even any heat. But you are right, we should go out and vote for Obama.
Ummmm… Gregory - at what point in time did I say anything about Obama bringing back jobs or that you should go and vote for him.
Yes and here with are with another dumbo thinking he’s going to be president. I hope you Obama people can learn how to fix those voting machines like Bush did. Because of Dumbo becomes the nominee, you are going to need that knowledge just so he doesn’t trump McGovern in the embarrassment deparment. You pushy, arrogant jerks set the Party into obscurity for decades after ‘72 till Bill Clinton came along, and you are just stupid enough to want to do it again. The Republicans couldn’t ask for better friends than you. With your heads alternately in the clowds and up your asses, you are completely devoid of any semblence of reality and the knowledge that the VAST majority of Americans do not agree with you–and never will. They are not hanging off some Left Cliff and don’t particularly want to be forced to hang off it either, just because you SAY so. That’s why they go vote to get rid of your extremist candidates–and always will.
I’ll ask you the same question Uppity since you seem to have alot to say on the issue… are you saying that blue collar and manufacturing jobs didn’t decline during the Clinton years?
Yes, it was a stupid thing to say… candid honesty where other politicians would’ve carefully calculated their words…
Just as it seems impossible for you to counter opposing views without calling the presenter names… is it possible that the statement as impolitic as it is contains some truth?
Oh that’s right… there is no truth other than your truth.
I haven’t given you permission to ask me anything, fascist. And yes, you are right. You are stupid. Only a stupid person would fail to recognize a narcissist using you. He will throw you away like yesterday’s newspaper when he is done with you. And so, you are either very stupid or very young.
right, now I’m a fasist (along with being a sexist and misogynist as you and other commentors have been so kind to point out).
Too funny. Sorry to disturb the bubble… I’ll let you return to your angry navel gazing.
ps - try decaf
ps …
piss off
LOL - thanks for being consistent Bee
Never in the history of the WORLD has “everyone” prospered.
here’s NO SPIN on the Obama small-time blunder:
Tim Reid in Washington
Obama Blunder Gives Clinton a Chance, At Last
This is priceless….
http://hinessight.com/
Jedi mind trick.
LOL! At youtube somebody posted that this is a racist video.
Hmm…now why did Obama say “jobs fell” in Pennsylvania during Clinton/Gore?
Here’s what Obama said:
Here are the facts as of April 2000:
Accomplishments of Clinton/Gore in Pennsylvania:
EXPANDING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL
There’s so much more at:
http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/states/Pennsylvania.html
Hmm. Don’t know why the link didn’t connect, but here’s the URL again. Hopefully, it works this time.
http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/states/Pennsylvania.html
No insult intended, say, do you understand what you read. The media talk about how wonderful the Sen. Obama’s speech on race was. He pocked his finger in every American eyes and dare to challenge him. He has constantly played the race card and the media help put the blame on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. You American should not be afriad of being accused of racism. Be true to yourself and fight back with the truth.
Currently talks about those American…..
This is the part that gets me “They fell through the Clinton administration….” Which part of President Clinton time in the office was bad for America?
Yesterday when asked about the ‘Bitter’ comment, he concluded that it is good thing that people cling to their guns and religion.
Wake up America, your better than that.
Sen. Obama has been laying to you and constantly pocking his finger into your eye, and you are saying ooh! his good. What?
Why on the world, does the media blams everything on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. What is wrong with you Americans. Wake up and stand with her. She is still stand with her. For sure, she will still be standing when all is done.
She has nothing to loss, You the Americans will loss if you do not stand with her. Is it because she is woman. Yet everyone of has been touched by a woman.
You need not be afraid of a strong WOMAN. Sen. Hillary Rodham is a strong Woman, stand up with her.
God bless America.
I grow more disturbed by the moment right now. First bitter people cling to religion but then last night I witness Obama clinging to religion and getting a standing ovation for how well he clings to it. So is he Shia while the Christians of Pennsylvania are Sunni and wrong in their religious practices? Do they do it the wrong way while Barry does it the right way? It’s no secret that Militarytracy has the bitters about the Iraq War…..what’s my drug? It isn’t Jesus! It is action and applying myself and placing myself out there in the issue, hearing what others have to say and saying my peace and finding the mutual respect that will empower us all to do what needs to be done. I’m not an atheist either, I do practice a faith but that is my business. I’m very very disturbed about all this Christianity in my presidents. My husband describes some of the more disturbing aspects about the Middle East as how easily they attribute everything to God’s will and never ask themselves what they could have done for there to have been a different outcome, a healthier outcome, a life affirming outcome for all involved. It is almost as if this country is trying to develope it’s equally melancholy and lazy religious framework to attribute everything to. The cure for my bitters is applying myself to the situation I’m bitter about….always has been and always will be!
It seems to be devolving into a peculiar form of mau mau politics where the message is lost in the manner of delivery. Any Democrat is a fair target insofar as he is concerned. The only person he is not willing to turn on is Reverand Wright. Funny that, no?
>>> It seems to be devolving into a peculiar form of mau mau politics…
Been wanting to use that term for six weeks now, but was afraid that no one would get it and all the Prius Liberals would call me a Racist.
Congrats.
I am furious at every sight of him on the screen as he prances around making a mockery of the American people… KNOWING exactly how to bamboozle Americans and put him right in the White House.
If our SuperDelegates let us down and give him the democratic nod …. then McCain WILL BE the Next President of the US.
He has to be, we can not let this man near our White House.
We are safer with McCain… sadly, we are safer and better in the hand of Bush.
See this is who the CIA stooge is appealing to. People who honestly think 4 more years of Bush would be better than any Democrat.
I’d take Hillary or Obama over any POS Republican.
“If [Republicans] could cut funding for Medicare, Medicaid, education, and the environment, middle-class Americans would see fewer benefits from their tax dollars, feel more resentful paying taxes, and become even more receptive to their appeals for tax cuts and their strategy of waging campaigns on divisive social and cultural issues like abortion, gay rights, and guns.” - Bill Clinton 2004
Funny… sounds pretty much like the same point Obama made in his statement…
English comprehension skills just aren’t your game, are they? It’s not the words in a sentence that provide meaning, it’s the arrangement of those words.
right… how about this other quote from Bill since you want to try and place semantic or contextual games
“all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death,”
I ask you the same question - are you saying that in fact during the Clinton years no manufacturing or Blue collar jobs were lost? Nevermind, as that’s really not even the issue - though many on this thread keep tring to make it so.
Comparing what Bill said in ‘91 and subsequently to what Obama said the other day - shows very littel substantive difference… they both acknowledged how a portion of the electorate has been affected by continuing misfortune.
Spin it all you want… it’s only gonna be good for another day or so.
Bill:
They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, ‘What happened to everybody’s job? What happened to everybody’s income? What … have … you … done … to … our … country?’”
Obama:
“But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
How old are you?
You seem to have NO real-life idea what Bill Clinton’s 2 terms meant economically.
I was there and my portfolio did well then. But that’s not the point, nor was it my question that you can’t help but avoid.
How can this NOT be the point?
Because - neither Obama, or Bill when they spoke about embittered middle class/blue collar voters were talking folks like you and I who were able to take advantage of the economic boon at the time.
Do you really believe that everyone prospered? Again, what - no blue collar or manufacturing jobs were lost then? You know… that question you keep avoiding - correction, I “didn’t have permission to ask you”
Kevin, to say that “EVERYONE” will prosper is like trying to say NOBODY WILL DIE. Of COURSE there will ALWAYS be people who do not prosper. Are you suggesting then that those of us who do should give all we have to those who don’t? Seriously? Because if you are, then you will have to eliminate democracy. I know you don’t really want to do that, do you? Did you take chances to do well? I’ll be you did!
Kevin, do not kid yourself. The rich have all the riches. The middle class does all the work. The poor are put there to scare the shit out of the middle class and keep them showing up at their mundane jobs! It is the reality of America. Trust me, Barack Obama doesn’t want to change that. Nobody would need him if we did. You see, in order for nobody to EVER be poor, no one could EVER be middle class. Are you following me? Because if you think the very wealthy are going to be great Equalizers, then you have no understanding of who they really are. It’s very noble to dream or imagine the Best Of ALl Worlds, but it just isn’t reality of life. Did you ALWAYS do well? Of Course Not! That is why the very kindest thing we can do for anyone in America is give them the OPPORTUNITY and TOOLS and INCENTIVE to do well, and give them a leg up to do so for a reasonable period of time. But the fact will always remain that there are people who will ALWAYS do poorly because they are not ABLE to do well, either physically or intellectually. or do to family circumstances beyond their control. And those are the people we must share with. But to imagine that anyone can do well because we will arbitrarily disperse that which belongs to those who are doing well is just plain not realistic, nor is it very much of an incentive.
When I figure out what I just said, I will let you know.
“Are you suggesting then that those of us who do should give all we have to those who don’t?”
“But to imagine that anyone can do well because we will arbitrarily disperse that which belongs to those who are doing well is just plain not realistic, nor is it very much of an incentive.”
Not sure when this became a discussion about socialism… really not sure when I said anything even remotely close to “we need to disperse the wealth” Mugabe fashion… certainly not sure when either Obama or Bill made statements along those lines either.
“When I figure out what I just said, I will let you know.”
When you do… let me know, ya got alot in there, and I think I’m tracking on some of it. I’ll have to mull it over for awhile… not sure how it fits into the discussion we were having though.
Bravo!
The middle class is the buffer between the rich and the poor. When you lose the middle class you have a revolution. Under Bush, we have a shrinking middle class with a huge transfer of wealth between the middle class and rich. That does not bode well for the future.
We were told under NAFTA that Mexico would become more like the US. What I see happening is the US is becoming more like Mexico.
yeah, well, except that Obama included Bill Clinton in his statement …. duh. Do you ever clean the shit out of your ears?
Bill Clinton has more brain power when he’s sleeping than Obama has on his best day.
Obama is toast.
Is this all you folks at Obama central could come up with in response to Obama’s statement and reflection about Obama the person?
How about Michelle Obama’s lovely statements?
“Because sometimes it’s easier to hold on to your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your own ignorance… That’s America. So the challenge for us is are we ready for change?”
“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.”
we’re a divided country, we’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear,” we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents.
Michelle Obama on Good Morning America who when asked if she would support Clinton if the Democratic nominee answered with characteristic honesty: “I’d have to think about that. I’d have to think about her policies, her approach, her tone…”
Arrogance and elitism run in the family, the trend is obvious, as is the relationship that spews the words of Rev Wright, slim is slim no matter how you twist it, it comes out of that mansion provided by slumlord Rezko continually!
>>> How about Michelle Obama’s lovely statements?
Channeling Winnie Mandela again, is she?
NEVER accept a, “necklace,” from this woman!
So will the CIA whack him if he’s elected? I figure you’d be the man to know.
He will never be President so no need to worry.
More likely to be a disappointed Obamabot who becomes enraged by being played for a fool. But Obama will probably follow in Bush’s lead and get a VP that is so unbelievably scary that he serves as an insurance policy against such a scenario.
There’s likely to be a line.
I also hear that Dan Quayle (the Bruce Jenner of American Politics) is rested and looking for a gig.
When Obama doesn’t get his way -
… people become bitter and cling to BigBoyz Blogs and talking points, rightfully so.
Amazing what is happening on the internets these days. Thank you for being here, people.
Beelze,
We should ask Arlen Specter. He said Obama would win PA and he has inside knowledge considering he was on the Warren Commission.
Wait…he might not tell us. LOL!!
Running out of any real shit to sling?
Someone was looking for a statement from Barack about Reverand Wright … fresh from the race speech in Philadelphia held to cover his ass the last time the campaign had a problem:
“And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions — the good and the bad — of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.
I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.”
Hillary said, Obama was speaking to his donors in SF and when he was trying to explain why voters like you in Pa and other places aren’t voting for him, instead of looking at himself, he blamed you.
Do you consider Obama’s remarks as “condescending” and “out of touch”?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2082
chris xp,
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Nice to see that Larry found some class and finally crossed out the word “bastard”. It was still up as of last night. Can you imagine if you came across a pro-Obama column that started a paragraph about Hillary with “That bitch”?
He did once ask if Republicans were…ahem… Oral Copulators.