Snob-gate, Class War, and a Chance to Redefine the Party
By Bud White on April 14, 2008 at 7:48 PM in Barack Obama, Clinton, Current Affairs, Elitism, GLBT, Hate Speech, Hillary Clinton, John F. Kennedy, Labor, Media Bias, Patriotism, Presidential Candidates, Race, Sexism, Social Security, Typical white person
It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith.
– The Meaning of Liberalism John F. Kennedy
The civil war now being waged in the Democratic Party gives us an opportunity to redefine liberalism and the Party itself. The sexism and elitism by the blogger boyz is one part of this civil war. It’s largely a class war:
The Democratic primaries have been skewed for decades by the presence of large numbers of upper-middle class elitists concerned about environmentalism, race and gender quotas, balanced budgets, good government, corruption, gridlock, excessive partisanship, and related issues. They are not interested in the minimum wage, trade union rights, stopping home foreclosures, and other kitchen table concerns of the less well off.
The blogger Anglachel has written brilliantly on the class divide in the party. She captures perfectly the attitude of the Typical Chardonnay People Obama confided to last weekend:
the “wine track” cadre of the Democratic party has no clue about working class America except for their own strange blend of bitter, bible-thumping rubes who just can’t grasp the big picture, the poor things, and keep voting against their own interests.
Snob-gate has made me think about why I’m a proud American and Democrat and the direction we should move our party. Here’s a few reasons:
We are the heirs of the world’s most enlightened revolution.
We believe the United States is a force for good in the world.
We believe that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are sacred documents.
We believe brave men and women gave their lives so others can have liberty.
We despise prejudice towards any group; there is no historical context which makes any form of racism acceptable.
We reject sexism or stereotypes of both men and women, gays or lesbians, blacks or whites, city dwellers or farmers.
We respect all faiths and forms of belief or non-belief.
We have been entrusted to continue the legacy of the New Deal.
The mission of the Democratic Party is to expand opportunity for all.
We believe an expanding and prosperous middle-class is good for
both business and labor.
We believe poor Americans should be given the opportunity and
responsibility to improve their own lives, and we will help them do it.
We believe that all work has dignity and that everyone deserves to be paid a living wage.
We believe a smart environmental policy can save the planet and create jobs.
We believe a farmer or a housewife can have as much or more wisdom than a famous journalist.
We believe in safe working conditions, fair pay, health care for all, a dignified retirement, and respect for our veterans.
We should have military strength sufficient to defend our nation and our allies.
We believe in our country and our flag and all who serve it.
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Is this redefining the Party, or just taking it back to its original roots? By original roots I mean FDR and Kennedy. Even LBJ who, leaving out Vietnam, had a great record for the middle class.
Exactly right. We can’t possibly elect Obama; he represents the worst of elitism. He and his spouse have made millions over the years from shady speaking engagements paid by middle east interests. He was on the board of directors for the company most responsible for the outsourcing of manufacturing and the destruction of the middle class. He’s a graduate of a prestiges, snobby, Ivy League law school.
He’s everything Hillary is not. The man exudes elitism. Hillary is just like regular folk. And we all know what I mean by “regular”.
GO HILLARY GO!!!
I don’t believe that your support Hillary Clinton, nor do I believe you are even a Democrat. Your ambiguous racist endings to your comments show that you are just trying to start trouble.
Dude, the guy can’t even bowl. How are regular folks gonna vote for such a privileged snob?
I’m just trying to stick to the issues that matter. And you know the GOP will paint him as an OJ-swilling pampered loser in Nov. He needs to get out now and let a regular American like Hilary lead.
Listen you, I have watched a sexist pig get away with things the likes of which I haven’t seen since the 70s. So shove your race card up your sexist ass.
Uppity, you are awesome! HAHA!!
When faced with shit, we either fight or we take flight. But Uppity, your flight switch is broke! HA! Love it!
gee, reality is hard to take, huh!
And he can’t keep his life story straight, nor can he keep his foot out of his mouth. He’s Dan Quayle on steroids. His campaign is the McGovern camp on steroids too.
Sounds like the same old sh&^, from the astroturf trolls.
The democratic party has elements of corruption, just like the republicans.
Once ethical intelligent politicians are elected, we should once again have a government advocating for the people, a government that can win wars, and not start them, stupidly, in the first place.
All this talk of class warfare sounds like right woing trolls trying to bamboozle democrats.
Not Bud’s entry, per se, just the issue.
EVERYONE:
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<i.It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith.
Oh my, Hillary must denounce and reject this ultra-secular and quite possibly Marxist statement.
How revealing the quote from Rense.com is. Apparently “Bud White” is some kind of 911 truther.
Hey Bud, is Obama behind the chemtrails phenomena?
Two recurring themes on the Rense show are a general mistrust of the establishment, and the claim that the attacks on the New York World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 were orchestrated by Zionist neoconservative elements within the US Government, the CIA and the Israeli Mossad.
I just have to say Muppity, you must really enjoy the sound of your own voice or the way your letters grace the pages (in your mind.)
These multiple replies to your own replies are rather amusing. You and Kevin have a nice thing going. Who would expect anything less from Cultists.
So Fleaflicker, are you a fan of Rense.com as well? Do you frequent the site Bud White got his class war quote from? If not, you might want to check it out. Here’s an essay by one Walter White Jr from there on how the Jews were behind slavery. If you have any doubt about it’s anti-Semitic nature speak up.
No Obama is just a bigot as he exposed himself to be a week ago yesterday!
Time for another camp Obama instuction period, as this time obamabots are not going to get away with the childish crap they have since January!
Beep beep bop Obama beep.
That’s Obamabot for “Stop talking like a Republican.”
Oh, I thought that stood for…
Help me, I am self-destructing!
Beep beep bop Mel beep.
That’s Mel for “Stop talking like a bigot lover.”
So now give me the raised by a simgle mother speech please, I love that lie!
Or how about the “Obama’s father was part of the Kennedy airlift for a better life in learning in America speech” love that lie too!
Or tell me, you not reach your objective as instructed by camp Obama, you suffer the wrath of listening to Michelle chew you out?
Just curious on that one, after all, she was never so proud of America in her entire adult life until her Bigot husband could have become President! Too bad loose lips sink USS Obama……glug glug glug!
You mean like Obama admiring Reagan and George Senior?
That’s exactly right. Obama hates anyone that is white. I mean, if the guy hates his own white grandma as much as he does, he must hate every white person even more. And he even chooses OJ over coffee.
Plus he can’t even bowl. Sure, maybe he had pretty good judgment about that whole Iraq thing in 2002, but they were just words. He didn’t stop the war.
You Obama-philes are a bunch of freaks.
“Great judgment”? That insults Obama. He and he alone founded and nurtured this movement. Just because he said he couldn’t say how he’s vote if he were actually in the hot seat (with the kind of bravery he’s noted for, I’d guess “Present”) and the view from teh cheap seats is always a bit better, he hasn’t one thing since he’s been in the Senate except undercut anti-war measures and proudly declare his positin is indistinguishable from his second favorite President’s, doesn’t mean he isn’t a hero. One speech may look like little or nothing, but in terms of Obama’s craven career, long on corruption short on stands, it’s practically miraculous. All hail our hero. He may not be willing to end the war now, but he wouldn’t have started it in the first place. Well, maybe. Does he really have to take a stand? It makes him feel all funny. maybe he would have ducked out and not voted either for or against–that counts right? We’ll hold that to us as he refused to take a stand and end this thing, and at the same time we’ll hope we don’t get sick because man, his health care plan’s crap. I’d also advise not getting old since he’s mouthing Reaganesque talking point on Social Security. But we’ll feel better just having him around, so that policy crap is way overrated.
You’re exactly right. Obama is so lazy; “present” indeed. That’s what it means to cut in line ahead of regular Americans. The elite always get what they want, and Obama wants OJ.
What a snobby princess.
No problem really. I hate him too. We’re even now.
err muppity, you might suggest to your candidate, ie obama, that he take his foot out of his mouth. it appears ole barry isn’t much good unless he has a teleprompter. when in doubt just tell the truth barry like you did in california. now michelle and rev wrong are more straight forward than you. they show their distrust, dislike, and distain for americans quite openly.
The party elite are the DLC who were started by Clinton.
The Republicans are not interested in doing anything to help the middle class or the working class. Stop dividing Democrats like a good Republican.
bundlers is a fancy name for lobbyists, and the only fool who believes Obama’s lies on that is the likes of you!
Obama can lie all he wants and so can you, the divider is your messiah Obama who still makes a fool out of YOU!
No one is making a fool out of me, they’ve all got bundlers. I even KNOW a Hillary bundler personally. The difference is that on Obama’s side the small time folk are having a much bigger impact than for the other two.
The idea that a guy who just finished paying off his college loans is somehow more elitist than the $109 million Clintons or the husband of Cindy McCain is a joke.
The fools are those who call themselves Democrats and robotically repeat Republican frames at their own party.
This is seriously sick and twisted.
I know guys still working on their PhDs who are WAY more elitist than Bill and Hill.
Just keep marching toward that cliff. All the kool kidz are doing it.
Sez you.
If you think that the Republicans won’t turn around and throw “elitism” at the Clintons if she manages to wrangle the nomination you are fooling yourselves. The sad irony of it is that she and the folks on this blog have legitimized their charge of elitism by making it a valid argument. Who will benefit? The true elite of this country…gazillionaires who don’t give a damn about any of us and are represented by the REPUBLICANS.
Please.
The Clintons have made most of their money in the past 10 years. Yes, the are multi-millionaires. Good, they deserve it after all the BS that they were put through.
Your definition of an elitist is not accurate. Elitism isn’t about one’s personal fortune as much as it is about a person’s attitudes in relationship to others of dissimilar backgrounds. You know, kind of like Obama presented himself in San Francisco.
Well then by your definition the true elitists are those that bash the so-called elitists.
The middle class people who Clinton, the people on this blog, and the Republicans are all bashing are not sitting around thinking up new ways to insult uneducated and working class people.
The Republicans attack them because they see it as a way to undermine the party, Clinton is dealing with losing and is desperately trying to save her candidacy, the people on this board are repeating what they’re being told. That’s just sad.
Sorry, but wrong again. First of all, I am working class, not middle class. Most people who think of themselves as middle class are actually working class. I learned that in my Sociology class in college a couple of years ago, and it was an eye-opener for me.
Your inference that the elitist are being attacked is a fallacy. No one here is looking down on anyone (as if they are from a lower strata on the socio-economic scale. They are being written about so that people understand what elitism actually is. All this garbage about someone being an elitist just because they may be a millionaire is not valid unless there is a corresponding elitist attitude.
Ah but see I do think that the Clintons and their friends have a corresponding elitist attitude. I think that they enjoyed controlling the party for so many years even though they lost us multiple elections, and that they will do absolutely anything to maintain their power. I think they look down their noses at grassroots activists and that this contributed to her underestimating Obama before the primaries started.
I think you missed my point. The so-called elitists that the Republicans love to attack (you know the latte sipping, New York times reading wine drinkers) are the ones who are being looked down on and dismissed by both the Republicans and now by Clinton supporters. I happen to know quite a few people that fit in that category, and they are not sitting around attacking or even looking down on the people that both the Republicans and now Clinton are trying to scare votes from. In other words, by your definition, Clinton supporters have become the elitists that look down their noses at them.
Also, the true “elite” are the Haliburton/Oil Company/Blackwater CEO’s and their buddies like Cheney who say “So?” when asked about America’s overwhelming opposition to the war in Iraq. While the Republicans and now Hillary attack middle class educated people who want to support New Deal philosophies, the true elites of this country laugh their asses off at our collective pain. It’s a classic divide and conquer move, and Hillary is HELPING them. That makes me sick.
yikes, some of your comments are completely over-the-top.
1. “The Clintons lost ‘us’ multiple elections?” Last time I checked Bill Clinton was the only Dem to be elected President in the last 32 f***ing years!!
2. Obama’s ‘grassroots’?? Obama is getting as much if not more money from the wealthy to VERY-wealthy as Clinton – that’s the way politics is played in the USA. Obama knows this very well, his ‘grassroots’ was never more than convenient spin.
3. Hillary is not attacking middle-class educated people. She is DEFENDING working-class people (who are just as likely to be smart, BTW). That’s a big difference. But she does know politics and what she has very correctly pointed out is that THIS (along with patriotism and fear) is exactly how the Republicans win elections. You CANNOT have a Dem nominee (like BO) who provides the Rethugs with the ammo.
Look, I live in the Bay Area, have a college degree, make good money and would be called a member of the ‘creative class’. I’m also the daughter of a tire-maker from Akron, Ohio — those are my roots and I get seriously pissed off when I feel that my people are being called bigots & being looked down on.
This is a fight between the New Left and the New Democrats.OBAMESSIAH is a New Left puppet. The party elites you describe are the New Left who dominated the party throughout the 70’s-80’s. When The New Democrats came on the scene the New Left worked steadily against their platform…Why? THe New Democrats wanted to restructure the New Deal/Great Society socio-economic legislation so that it was more workable. They wanted to take the focus off ID politics and move the party center.ID politics had been fracturing the party to the point wher Liberal had become a dirty word. The New Democrats suceeded and we had the most sucessful presidency in Clinton/Gore since FDR. Gore a New Democrat would’ve continued rebuilding the FDR platform but for the HIJACK of 2000. Kerry is a liberal and never would’ve won. OBAMESSIAH won’t win either he is a New Left Puppet. Dean et,al. are New Left. The party either goes centrist or veers left. Looks like we’re veering left in preparation for decades of Republican control of the White House where the Republicans can complete the dismantling of the constituion and return us to the Anti-labor, Pro Big Business Monopolies, anti-working class that led us o HOOVERVILLES. Only now the HOOVERVILLES will be global. It will get pretty ugly.OBAMESSIAH denigratng the accomplishments of the Clinton/Gore administration through lies is the clue. These New Left politicians don’t want the New Democrats because the centrist path = a threat to their own ID politically based power and the ID political diversion.
Most people who think of themselves as middle class are actually working class. I learned that in my Sociology class in college a couple of years ago, and it was an eye-opener for me
This reminds of something in my experience about that as well. I have dyslexia and for awhile went to a few functions for and about learning disabilities ( which really should be called learning differences ) But what I found was whatever a parent admitted to, 98.% of the time the kid’s problems where really worse. So it’s part of human nature to add a buffer for ones self.
When asked if they were in the top 1% money wise , 19% of people polled said yes.
the true word is bigot Clinton just refrains from using suich a word! As for the elite crowd, who was it Obama was talking to in SF last week-end at a billionaires home then?
Save the morality for those who haven’t a clue, give up on Obama he is toast or you just stalling while Axelrod tries to figure out what to do again and try to turn it around again?
Problem is you are never around when Obama is bashing Clinton, yet tables turn and you expect it for him, sorry but Obama is falling deeper into it, and today in court, his exposure to more lies came evident in connection to Auchi, and what is next to lambast the bigot?
He’s entry level. Entry level people always make less money because they don’t know shit–they just think they do.
First off, Obama paid the loans off 2 years ago, not last week, just before his helping hand from Rezko to buy a mansion!
Second, Clintons prove they can balance a budget, can create jobs and can make money, great for them, no problem there at all!
Third, Obama last month had 4% more small time donations that Clinton, so that doesn’t fly either! Obama also has far higher bundlers than Clinton or McCain, so agian no fly zone!
As for repeating Republican frames, isn’t that what Obamabots have been doing for months agains Clinton, and because his royal load of crap is found out, it is time to stop, again no fly zone!
Obamabots don’t set the rules for their agenda, and if you are for the Democratic Party, then get all the other Obamabots to demand Obama quit for the sake of the Party because no bigot will ever make it to the Whitehouse and everyone knows that!
And as M<ichelle Obama stated a month ago as to voting for Clinton if she won, we looked at Obama’s record (lousy) his plans (all clintons for the most part) and his tone, and his tone says it all, elitist bigot, so we do as Michelle said to do and guess what, we are now PROUD of our coountry! (again Michelle Obama’s words)
An economy grown and a budget balanced on a dotcom bubble which burst as he was leaving office. I remember hearing about the rich-poor gap growing under Clinton. I think Michelle is great, she’s the one that convinced me to vote for Obama. I think his tone is fabulous. Say whatever you like, Hillary would love to have the kind of grassroots support Obama has developed.
Yeah, boy, I’m sure she’d just love to have all those D.F.A.Ds.
Not.
And who did you hear about the rich-poor so called gap under Clinton from Obama?
The same guy who claims to be a Professor at U of C, who is actually a Lecturer there, as stated in every record prior to his running for POTUS, but give a University 1.3 million in pork barrel money and they will say anything!
So Michelle convinced you to support Barack, how did she do that, by injecting the Race Card on Bill, or was it when she claimed to finally be proud of America for the first time? Or was it her thesis at Princeton, no couldn’t be that, it was yanked till after the elections, so must of been her complaining of the costing $10 grand a year for her kids piano and dance lessons, that must be it!
I’m blunt and I like blunt people. While Obama was talking about hope she was talking about growing up in a working class family and about what it was going to take to clean up Washington. There are plenty of things about this country that I’m not proud of, and I don’t have a problem with the comment she made. She’s smart, she’s tough, and I like her.
I remember hearing about the gap growing in the news at the time. It’s grown even more since then under Bush. If Obama has talked about it I haven’t heard it.
That lecturer/professor thing is so DUMB!!! When I was in college I called all of my lecturers and associate lecturers “professor.” At least I had the decency to say that the Bosnia thing was crap.
So, basically, Michelle would be against patronage… she would hope that her husband would fire someone say like her father who was given a patronage job by the city of Chicago when she was growing up. Interesting.
By the way, I REALLY don’t support patronage jobs.
Not to mention that 100k+ raise she suddenly got when her husband became a state senator. And those boardships.
Yikes,That was more than it is now.
Obama has denied ever meeting Auchi.
Ayers wrote, “I don’t regret setting the bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”
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Ayers and Dohrn are known to have held at least one fundraiser for Barack Obama in their Chicago home.
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hey ya teak… left you a note on one of your posts when the server crashed.
Hope all is well..
JORDAN LEFT IRAQ TODAY!!!!
Our son is on his way back to the USA.
Sorry everyone here has had endure some of my stress here this last year..
It’s like a weight has been lifted from our family..
Everything is good right now…ahhh..now what were we discussing? >)
oh yea Obama…Don’t knock it O..i’ve been clinging on my guns for years..hey walk a mile in my shoes.
You know you all think that you live in a political ivy towers..
But if you win.. I’ll be content knowing that i know twice what you do in foreign affairs.. kind of makes the hoopster smile.( Larry has ten times the experience in international relations as Obama..doesn’t that make you feel so much better? I’m sure larry is impressed.)
But O got a great family too.. Unlike most..the little misses just loves AmeriKA..I wonder what it would be like having a wife that spews such distain for our country. Can you see this in the WH?
Wouldn’t you just love to be a fly on the wall in thier house?
Mrs. Obama: ‘ hey tell those bitches you tell them I changed my mind.. I STILL hated america till right now..when o won the election..Listen, i’m loving america now!! You tell tem..I’m the number one bitch now..sucka’
We all knew it would come to this.. a staffed out WH. One word mr. Obama..Staff.
You’ll need more than most..
This could be a first time thing in history..
1. we could see our first west wing bitch slap
2.A first Lady for the first time screams the entire string of all the known profanities… in just one complete sentence. bonus points if somebody does it in the China Room.
3. A sitting president accidentially purchases The United Nations.
4. A sitting president takes a part-time job managing the NY Knicks. ( the only scandal was finding out Comcast gave boatloads of bundled cash to Obama and Dolan was a distant cousin..Bonus points for each former sports figure in the Cabnet.
5. Uses the nuclear football to play catch with Peyton Manning.
Bonus points if he unwittingly launches a missle attack..and extra bonus points if the missle is preprogrammed to strike Iran.
6. the first president to go on national TV and declared ‘He’ had solved the long simmering problem in the middle east.
( although the nuclear fall-out may cause a few long term problems.)
bonus points if Peyton receives the congressional medal of honor for his part in solving the middle east crisis.
2x points for winning the peace prize.
3x if Carter presents the peace prize.
7. The first president who gets his ass kicked by his Pastor.
bonus points if it happens on the White House grounds
3x points if Michell kicks the Pastors ass.
8. the first president to vote ‘present’ at a state of the Union speach.
bonus points If the Secret service CIC codeword has the words ‘baby jesus’ in it.
3x If the words crazy bitch and first lady are used in a sentence. double those points if that sentence results in a knife fight.
9. The first president to get busted for growing pot in the rose garden.
bonus points if it was a cousin or uncle.
2x points if they are white.
3x if it’s Cheeney’s old stash.
And to finish the top ten ‘firsts’
10. The first president to have a movie made of his life his first 30 days in the White House.
bonus points if his reelection committee
can’t figure out what happened to 25 million dollars.
2x points if they meet in Hawaii.
5x points if Obama declares he is running for re election in 2012 before one year in office.
10x if a cold kegger is always on hand in the war room.
I am so thrilled your son and his mates are in bound.
Sorry I missed ya down thread.
The best to you and yours.
hoosier hoops
I am very glad for your family that your son is coming home. God bless you and your family and thank you for your service.
lololol
And you can guarantee he’ll vote “present” for 3/4 of his candidancy, as he spends his time checking the cost of Eruca sativa at Whole Foods, while drinking French wine, with his 60’s radical terrorist buddies.
Arugula? Freaking Arugula……Jesus……
Discussing the Ayers connection, I have a problem with bomb throwers. I was working in Penn Station NY when a bomb was planted. It could have killed hundreds including me. My four children would have been left without a mother. Since Obama has no problem accepting fundraising from a no class coward what does that say about his judgement and what he thinks of America.
The rest of us saw the Billionaire Row fundraiser video of Obaaaaama
wherein Americans were ridiculed by the black sheep.
Bleat away little lamb.
Go over the cliff with Obaaaaama…
Ohh yes, Michelle is SOO down to earth. You know with her white mink coat (which should disqualify both of them from the Dem Party — wearing abused little animals as adornment.) Gosh.. and how hard it is for them.. you know.. paying over $10,000 a year for ballet lessons and such for the kids. Oh, and how courageous she was to realize that it was okay to hire babysitters and housekeepers and servants.
paying the servants minimum wage (or less) doesn’t seem to bother them. oops, forgot – the servants are hispanic, not aa, so it’s ok. /sarc
Will someone explain to me why so much time is wasted on someone worth so little time?
This “yikes” person comes to one of the few blogs that is pro-Hillary and spews his/her crap. Only reason Obama trolls do that is because on majority of Left Blogistan blogs they would be just another voice in the crowd and not get much attention. These attention trolls waste so much time and space and they are boring.
He/she actually is dumb enough to say that he/she thinks Michelle Obama is wonderful and the reason he/she is for Obama. That alone indicates that this is not someone worthy of your time or conversational skills.
I guess I’m just cranky this morning and having to scroll down, down, down, through a plethora of yikes drivel is tiring and boring and a waste of my time. But hell, that’s just me so I guess if you have nothing better to do than engage in an argument with someone that you most definitely wouldn’t want to have a beer with, have at it.
I love reading what the people here think. I don’t love reading their responses to an Obamatroll. I’ll go get some more coffee and try not to be such a grouch.
Can you spell reduction of the deficit….How about Surplus…The economy always has ups and downs…What the Clinton/Gore administration accomplished was incredible…
I recall Oblamer saying he got a scholarship. Now you’re saying that he borrowed so much in student loans that he was paying on it for years and years?
He’s the only half black legacy I know who has had to pay to go to Harvard. It sounds like another lie to me.
What about Occidental in CA and the private school in Hawaii?
How much did he borrow? You’re saying that he got a loan for a mansion and was still paying off student loans?
From Auchi or Rezko or didn’t he know them yet?
What’s your source?
I think you’re making this shit up like all Oblamer bleaters.
The Clintons never had money until after they were 50 years old. Bill Clinton was trailer trash, and Hillary attended public schools, just as he did.
Elitism has little to do with how much money you make, and everything to do with how you talk to and treat people.
Warren Buffet has billions. He is not an elitist.
FDR was extremely wealthy. He was not an elitist.
I found it funny they sent out that email saying how Obama makes all his money from small time donars, when they statement that got him in so much trouble for showing his true feeling were at a millionaire fundraiser on a day he made 2 million dollars going to 4 parties of these small time grassroot donors What a fraud.
Let me tell you about a Hillary fundraiser I attended outside Philly last friday. I and about 400 other folks got in for 500.00
At a GOP or Obama event, you would not be allowed to bus the tables for that. The folks who paid 2000 got a photo op with Hill and later we all got terrfic remarks from Ed Rendell and great 30 min speech from Hillary.( after doing 12-14 hours of campaing ) There was nothing elitest about it.
GOD BLESS HILLARY!!!
Seriously? Hillary is against free-trade agreements. She demoted Mark Penn for lobbying for free-trade agreements with Columbia. What more do you want? Blood?
McCain is better suited to be CinC than Obama. He served in the Military, and Hillary has been in a war zone. The closest Obama’s been to combat was probably a gang fight. Cause he’s black
Are you sure you aren’t racist just a little bit?
I’m just saying, statistically speaking, Obama is more likely to have been in a gang fight than Hilary of mccain. He’s worked in the inner city, that’s all I meant.
YOu can look up the statistics themselves.
THIS POSTER IS A CONCERN TROLL.
If you are calling me a concern troll, I am not. You keep alluding to race, but in stereotypical terms.
You can be whatever you want to be, but your posting that end with “if you know what I mean… or your catch my drift” don’t help anyone, regardless of who you are really supporting.
Dude, you’re totally a concern troll. I’m making a point about the issues, that Obama can’t win in Nov, and all you do is try to knock me down.
JM IS A CONCERN TROLL!!!
I am not. I agree with you except for the way you end your posts… and you know what I mean.
OK, truce. Sounds dandy.
JM is NOT a concern troll!!!
Truce.
CONCERN TROLL: He’s an Obama supporter trying to sound like a Clinton supporter. Check out his blog. Go to the older posts. His racism betrayed his true feelings; no real Clinton supporter would ever talk like that.
Sure I was once seduced by Obama’s deep baritone at one point, but I’ve had a change of heart. Hillary stands up for the blue-collar Americans that are just like her. She’s had to struggle for everything her entire life. Truly a life of struggle just like the average joe-sixpack.
She’s no different than most Americans; unlike Obama, that OJ-swilling, Ivy League law school going, no bowling-skillz phony.
No Hillary supporter would be this dumb! Or this annoying and obnoxious. But especially, stupid.
What’s dumb about what I said?
THIS POSTER IS A CONCERN TROLL
Are you sure you aren’t, pal?
Will now probably get hit too, but I thought that remark was a tad racist too. If not meant to be racist then say it was poorly stated, worded or whatever.
I guess I am now also a “concern” troll. BFD
Hillary wants to restructure the treaties around equity and enforcement.
She is not an isolationist…She is againt the loop holes that the big Corps. are using to continue abusive labor practices and coprporate welfare.
Dean? Brazile? Kerry? Kennedy? Leheay? Pelosi? In the DLC?
Have you ever considered writing children’s books for a career? You’re pretty good with fantasy.
Thank God for the grassroots and their support of Dean.
Do you even realize that standard DLC operating procedure meant ignoring small states and small towns in favor of a big blue state strategy? It was a LOSING strategy. Thank goodness that the grassroots and Dean are actually giving our party a chance by dumping the big state ELITISM instigated by the Clinton camp in favor of a 50 state strategy. Don’t you realize that these people were so dense that Rahm Emmanuel was actually screening out anti-war candidates in an election in which the Democrats won BECAUSE of America’s dissatisfaction with the war? They are elitist in every sense of the word. They hate anyone who thinks that normal Democrats should have a say in the party.
You are misusing the word elitism.
Sez you.
THAT explains Florida and Michigan.
Except for possibly JFK, what you think of as a “normal” Democrat has NEVER won the POTUS. FDR wasn’t, Truman wasn’t, LBJ wasn’t, Carter wasn’t (pre senile dementia), and the great satan Bill Clinton wasn’t… twice.
“Normal” Dean-style “50-state” Democrats: Stephenson (bless his “sole”), Humphrey, McGovern, Dukakis, Brazile-Gore, and Kerry.
So, yikes, a question for you… are you SAE or Metric?
Excuse me, but what elections have the Clintons lost? Oh, right, those two presidential ones in the nineties. Oh, and those two for the Senate in NY. Oh, and that one for president in 2004.
Oh, but wait……
He has several Billionaire bundlers with 50% of his donators considered larger.$5 donations as a main component of his fund raising is a complete fallacy perpetuated by the Obama camp. The will of the people means MI and FLA must be counted.If he is to legitimize and unite we need to see action behind those “just words.”
He also takes bundled money from registered lobbyists. See archives for the post with links. 1.7+ million worth. The only difference between Obama and other candidates is he is a smarmy liar about it. He manipulates the system. He has no shame. 5 of his top ten contributors are Wall Street in bundled bucks too. Obama hasn’t got an honest bone in his Chicago Thug body.
Wrong, you are. Obama takes big money. It doesn’t hurt to get $5 from little guy. When he made his “biter” blunder, he was speaking to very wealthy donors. Don’t hold your breath, Snobama is an elitist. He doesn’t get me or my vote. Half of the people that have cast ballots have chosen Senator Clinton, and I imagine that by now some that voted for him have taken a closer second look.
He is not vetted like she is. He cannot win in November, I strongly believe that. That’s what this is all about. I don’t hate Snobama. I just don’t believe he is electable in a general election. That said, he is a snob.
and so ole barry was with the rich folks in california just for a latte huh!
It’s really hit home to me with this election just how weirdly polarized these concerns are. I never understood and hence I never saw how environmentalism, gender and race inequity, and other wine-track concerns had been set in opposition to minimum wage, union, and foreclosure concerns. Silly me — coming from the blue collar and living in the white, I saw them as one and the same, all concerns of just societies.
This primary has been one hello of an eye opener for me in just how little the blue collar part of myself and my concerns matter to the wine track. It’s made me see that split down the middle in my psyche, or that in order to have a political voice, I’ve had to act as if I was split down the middle, when I’m really not.
What on earth are you talking about? Why are you buying into Pat Buchanan’s talking points? I’m watching him literally say the same thing on TV right now, and now because Hillary sees it as a viable campaign tactic she’s got you all slurping it up and agreeing with the likes of PAT BUCHANAN???
As a union MEMBER and a wine drinker I am shocked and disappointed in my fellow so-called Democrats.
Last week weren’t you an unemployed student bashing Clinton, wow you must love Bush then if you got a job so fast and a union one at that!
Give it a rest and go back to camp obama and get a new talking point, as this one is pathetic! When there try asking how to field out of your candidate being a bigot, this will be real interesting!
I never said I was an unemployed student. I wasn’t bashing Clinton either, I was hoping that maybe we could come together as Democrats and all be against McCain. I said that I was angry at her, but would vote for her. I was called all kinds of horrible names for daring to suggest that people shouldn’t vote for McCain. What many of are doing to the party is just plain sad.
But you neglect to say that you are an Obama supporter. Barack is getting some of what he deserves, and right now, I don’t have any empathy for him.
Democrats should have a common front, but Barack Obama took that away A LONG TIME AGO.
I was one of the many who liked Barack for a long time. He was my second choice, Edwards was my first. I was still angry at Hillary for vote on Iraq.
During the months before Iowa, and up to N.H. I was educated and slowly turned off to Barack by his lying about not taking money from Wall St., insurance companies, etc., by the way he attacked Edwards and Hillary, by his stealing their ideas and their words, by his arrogance, and, big time, by his nasty supporters who trolled the Edwards blog. Complete lack of class. At the same time I grew to respect the way Hillary was running her campaign and her intelligence. I did not ever see Barack as ready to be president, just VP. Given that there were so many capable Dem candidates, it was only his arrogance that caused him to run with no qualifications.
As the campaign goes on, I have seen just more and more ugliness, phoniness, and nastiness from Barack. I see him as the Repub candidate, and the way the media pushes him just confirms that.
You’re exactly right. Obama is just like any other GOP candidate. He has nothing on common with regular Americans.
But elitism breeds arrogance. So what do you expect from a snob like Obama, with his deep ties to corporate lobbyists? I mean, isn’t his campaign manager a corporate stooge whose PR firm works against unions?
Have you noticed how some of the rudest people are Obama’s supporters? His thugs rule many of the caucuses by intimidating opponents, his supporters boo speeches instead of being polite, they cackle during other’s speeches, they threaten opponents with bodily harm (as in Mayor Nutter in Philadelphia), etc., etc., etc. And the most disturbing thing is that Obama never repudiates it in any way.
It reminds me of old time union tactics where union thugs would try to intimidate non-unionists. Why is the thug culture so pervasive anymore? It’s time that we average Americans put a stop to it. And the first thing that we can do is to STOP Barack Obama!
You are correct. It’s thuggery. I dread going to the county convention, because the caucuses were so ugly. But I’ll be there, we have some amazing delegates that are unwavering in their Hillary support.
What state? I heard much of Texas was very bad.
this guy is so bad i do not think even the republicans would want him.
What the hell are YOU talking about? Screw Pat Buchanan. The man could fall off a pier for all I care.
Sorry, but I don’t WATCH the stupid tube.
‘S Funny you’re acting like the drunk fools I used to work with in the Carpenter’s Union. They loved them some NIxon.
Til the bottom fell out of the housing market….
Circa 1972…1980…1986…1990…..
A lot of people in the ’sphere think that because they can use a computer that they know something. Nothing could be further from the truth. Read some Robert Wright, some T. Jefferson, spend some time with an FDR biography, I found it interesting that Republicans made the same arguments against his policies as they do today…exact same language in many cases, and above all….
Think about your life the life of our nation and never ever stop asking the number one question:
Cui Bono.
All is not quite as it seems.
fellow union member? ok! i am a union member. i don’t drink wine. in fact i don’t drink at all. but i know that obama is ndg for this country.(translatted to latteze for you-no dxxx good)
I do (as I’m a Moderate Traditional conservative), and I’m here supporting Hillary, too.
There’s a lot of Dems that need an education about the different ideologies out there, and not just take the spew for Daily Kos as the gospel.
It wasn’t the Dems that first sounded the alarm about Bush; nor the McCain, it’s been the Traditionals.
Traditional conservatives tie in more with traditional Democrats than what each may not want to admit too. Lou Dobbs is an example of how both sides of the aisle can actually agree, even. Why? Because Traditional conservatism is what referred to as Populism. Like Lou, many Traditionals aren’t GOP party members, either, and are either independent (like myself); stay with the GOP; or joined other political third parties.
It’s how someone who’s quite conservative, can actually cross-over in this election and vote for Hillary, and not as some ploy, either.
That’s really interesting. I mean, it is obvious to me that both parties have gotten hijacked by some out of this world extremists. The traditional conservatives even got their name taken away by Social ‘conservatives’. Democrats are supposed to be “progressives”–and to be honest you can’t get the same definition of that from two democrats. It’s like both parties have been taken over by wild Pod People or something.
Yeah, both parties have been hijacked. Dems with their Far-Left wing, and the GOP with it’s Far-Left wing (Neo-Cons are our flaming liberals).
I’m just glad some Dems have seen the difference and naming the source of the divide problem — Neo-Cons — and not the entire conservative spectrum. Traditional conservatives aren’t war hawks; certainly not into Empire building; and the TC in me smiles every time Hillary talks more like a populist.
Strange for a Dem to hear that a conservative can like a Dem candidate (now I won’t like everything Hillary is proposing, especially universal healthcare), but remember Dems also liked Reagan, too. Folks vote on candidates that best match their values.
Uppity….I have to agree with you. What I find ironic is that the New Left hijacked the party during the 70’s-80’s when we were embroiled in inter faction fighting which the GOP sucessfully exploited to begin the culture wars and the steady creep of theocracy into what had been increasingly secular social politics. It was a great way for the GOP to change the dialogue. Then these new kids on the block The New Democrats tried tomove the party to the center and redefine the progressive movement away from ID politics. What we are seeing is the New Left trying to regain the Power it had for 25 yrs. Our party ad America had a brief hiatus during the Clinton/Gore administration. We need that kind of break again. Our party made more heaway during those years than we had for a long time.
I have to agree. Obama has lived a pampered existence his entire life. Unlike Hillary, he’s had everything handed to him in a silk-lined basket. Which is how they hand out welfare checks, if you catch my drift…
Um, I think we see what you’re trying to do. Why don’t you try your race-baiting somewhere else, maybe you’ll have better luck.
Oh, and as I’m sure you know, Obama went to an expensive private school in Hawaii paid for by his grandmother who was a bank Vice President.
BTW, there’s absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.
There’s nothing wrong with growing up the way Obama did UNLESS your surrogates are on the media saying that Obama grew up in Chicago as a poor black kid raised by a single parent. That’s from Tom Daschile and it’s a complete fabrication. Obama didn’t go to Chicago until he worked as a summer intern for the prestigious law firm of Sidley Austin where he met his politically connected wife, Michelle. That would be the same Michelle who makes over $300,000 a year. That would be the same Michelle who told a group of Ohio women whose average income was under $40,000 that they should work in service jobs (nursing, teaching) and stay away from corporate America (and of course she is going to give her corporate America job up) and that would also be the same Michelle who told the same group of woman that Barack was shocked that she was spending $10,000 a year on extracurricular activities for their children – But hey she just a Chicago girl.
Very well written, and true!
Last Night on CNN Roland lied when defending Bo about being called elite and said the usually single mom stuff THEN said and Barack’s Mom died when he was young so he had to be raised by his grandparents
Hey, I’m not being racist. I’m just saying that Obama has numerous advantages that put in into the front of the line, ahead of a bunch of regular Americans.
Obama has lived the high life, if you know what I mean…
You’re confusing the message. Obama wants you to go with “the Clintons are responsible for the economy, their all-powerful reach has lasted for 8 long years.” He already tried the ‘the stupid rubes of this country are racists–I mean imagine not supporting me me just because I have no policy experience and offer them nothing but condescention! The educated wealthy classes are much smarter, the have orgasms when I unleash my bumper strip slogans, huh, maybe policy doesn’t affect the as much’ and it didn’t work, remember? Keep up.
You’re exactly right. It’s not racist to not vote for Obama. And it’s obvious he hates policy. I’ve looked at his website, and there are no specifics whatsoever. It’s all slogans, just like you said.
Now I’ve been to a couple of Hillary speeches, and the girl knows policy! She had amazing things to say about R01 funding structure for the NIMH subdivsion panel program. It was inspiring.
When somebody has to accuse you of being racist because you refuse to vote for an sexist vapid, lying empty suit, there is something wrong going on here. Who the hell do these people think they are that they can threaten anybody’s vote??? That alone tells you that these people are thugs.
I despise barack obama and I am never going to vote for him regardless of what you call me. At this point, I am sexist. Just like he is. Barack Obama can kiss my ass.
OBAMcCARTHYISM
no nothing at all wrong with obama’s upbringing nor his education. i saltute him for doing it. however, claiming false things in the so called biography leaves me cold. tossing granny under the bus leaves me cold. old barry is old enough to start knowing the world doesn’t revolve around him and that granny was his best friend. however, barry sure doesn’t get that. so he buddies up with rev wrong and distainful michelle. fine, in his private life that is his choice, but for president of the usa, i say NO.
We believe we can learn ; we do not know all the answers to our problems and we certainly don’t know all the answers for any other group’s problems.
This is not the first time that Democrats have been smeared as elitist snobs, and it won’t be the last.
Capitalizing on this alleged rift between the “Typical Chardonnay Sippers,” or whatever you want to call them, and the “lunch pail” crowd, in order to give Hillary a bump in one single state, while feeding into the right-wing’s narrative that Democrats are snobs… HURTS THE PARTY. It’s already been established, first Gore, then Kerry… Do you really think hundred-million-Hillary is going to somehow transcend this if she gets the nomination?
Cutting off your head to spite your body. And you’re taking the rest of us down with you. The right is having a field day with this one already, why not just shut up and let them do the dirty work?
RIGHT ON!!!!!
Funny how when Rhodes was calling Clinton et al “whores” you folks weren’t trying to bring unity to the party, but heaven forbid, Obama is in trouble by his own big mouth and everyone is suppose to cave in?
If you are true to the Democratic Party, the pledge now to demand Obama resign as everyone knows, no bigot will ever win a GE, so for the sake of the DNP force him to resign and rally behind Clinton tonight!
Or when he called Bill Clinton a racist.
Or when he brought up and still does bring up, Lewinsky, Whitewater, etc., all disproven right-wing talking points (with exception of the first, but still right-wing).
Or the many many times he has trashed Bill’s presidency, our only two-term Dem president since FDR, comparing him to Bush. Or called Hillary a liar. Or made misogynist remarks. Or mocked her. The list goes on.
All bad for the Democrats, and good for McCain.
Or were you unconscious when this was happening.
And those Michigan and Florida votes.
He has earned our anger and hatred. He is the divider. He ran an ugly and negative campaign. Still is.
Shhhhh…it’s ALL Hillary’s fault, rememnber?
Why? Now that Obama has to takes some heat for something, you want everyone to capitulate. It’s all fun and games when Hillary gets trashed by Obama and his right wing friends (because they behaved much the same way), but soon as the luster comes off of the golden man, you act like everybody should feel like you. I don’t. He deserves it.
If the DNC and the Barack campaign will not respect my vote, then I will not respect them.
Amen! If BO has no regard for Florida and Michigan, voters in those state should have no regard for him.
BO is two-faced, and finally, it is apparent for the world to see.
- He opposes the war (well, he sort of did in a sppech in 2002) but votes over and over to fund it;
he wants a quick withdrawal from Iraq but his foreign policy advisor Susan Rice tells certain foreign governments that he doesn’t really mean;
he opposes oil companies, but takes money from their employees and votes for the Cheney energy bill;
he opposes NAFTA and other free-trade agreements except when he is telling Canada that he doesn’t and when he condemns the Penn rural folks as anti-trade rubes;
he is the unity candidate except when he is in church on Sunday or at Getty’s house in SF;
he claims to have worked only 5 hours w/ Rezko (recall SC debate) but actually worked and associated closely with him for years and for substantial financial gain;
he opposes health care mandates, except when he doesn’t in the case of children;
he takes tough stands and has a legislative record to be proud of except when he votes “present” or claims to have pressed the wrong button;
he is the child of a single mother, who happened to be divorced only 3 years before marrying a very well-to-do Indonesian;
Gosh, this is too easy . . . one could go on and on with Obama’s say one thing and mean another. But, Bittergate makes it all crystal-clear – he is not the messiah afterall.
I’ve said it elsewhere, the “bitter” comment is the equivalent of Jesse Jackson’s “hymie town” comment – it will be his undoing. I hope you’re paying attention SDs.
Hey,
You’re very good at pointing out all of Obama’s inconsistencies, his hypocricies and lies.
Thank you!
Because we want a Democrat in the White House for the next four years, and Hillary’s the only one left who has a chance in the GE. The fratricide began in Camp O from “Mr. Who, Me?”
In the long run, if you are successful (in the primary, because the GE will be another Dukakis moment), it may be best. The Democratic Party has been on borrowed time for quite awhile (look at the current clueless leadership). Sometimes, death is the only path to rebirth.
This particular problem is not a party problem, so much as it is an Obama problem. And the same goes doubly for his church — which will prove to be a FAR bigger elephant in the room in November than his latest classist statements.
It is a party problem…Why?… Study every single election except 92-2000
and you can see why this is a party problem, start with McGovern 1972.
Don’t want to be seen as elitist snobs? Don’t act like it.
Mommy is busy and can’t wander around the US trying to prevent stupid gaffes and instill some elementary common sense into Obama’s campaign. It’s not her responsibility, really.
Obaaaaama is bad news.
If you don’t want to hear the truth about Obaaaama this site is a bad place for you to be.
Go to MSNBC and watch Chris Matthews with feelings running up his leg or listen to Keith Olderman rant. It’s right up your weak minded alley.
You can hate Hillary Clinton all day long there and delude yourself that you’re for the unity candidate for the good of the party.
Bleat for Obaaaaama!
Obama is the ass who made the comments, not Clinton. The bots don’t ever seem to understand that fact.
Clinton now has to work even harder to counter the effects of Obama’s elitist comments.
Exactly. Which was why I was glad she slammed them hard over the weekend.
This guy makes Kerry look good ! Lord o Mighty
Funny how when Obama’s campaign attacked Hillary with right wing frames over the HORRORS of being “forced” to pay for healthcare for MONTHS, you Obama supporters had no problem with that.
Funny how when he repeated the “SS in crisis” rightwing talking point, that was just fine.
Funny how when he continually trashed the most successful Democratic administration we have had in 4 decades, not a peep was heard from you guys. No clip-clop of the unity pony coming to help pitch in.
No voices were raised from the Obama camp to ondemn a sitting Democratic woman senator being called a fucking whore.
Now your guy has put his foot in it, and insulted hard-working Americans out of his own mouth, and you want us to rally to his DEFENSE “for the sake of the party? ”
It will be a cold day in hell before I defend him.
Very well said! That phony pony only comes out of the barn when BO is in trouble! Why is it Hill’s job to help him in anyway?? Someone explain that to me. How can they not get she’s running a campaign against him. Why wouldn’t she use what gifts he gives her?? Duh
hey you obama supporters have been hacking away at the democratic party with your woman hating, race baiting comments. you yell down all hillary or edwards supporters on other web sites and then whine when we don’t like that bull. tough!
Thanks Bud.
Don’t let the Obamadroids get you down with their mindless, hateful drivel. Remember, patriotism is not very hip for the hope crowd. And in place of intelligence they lash out with juvenile nastiness, much like their Messiah.
This divide has previously existed in the Dem party, but Mr. Unity has exponentially enlarged this crevasse. I think it’s possible that the real Democrats will emerge and the so-called “progressives” i.e., the cult followers who are unable to perform critical thinking and are incapable of the long historical view will go back to stenciling Andre the Giant and playing D&D.
These are the same so called Democrats that would defend Rhodes when she called two accomplished women “f’ing whrs”. They keep telling us not to fight back as they trash the party. They try to diminish the accomplishments of the Clinton administration. Unemployment went from 7.3% to 4% during Clinton, and Obama includes that time in the same negative column as GWB’s admin. They want to paint the Clinton’s as racists, as Obama cravenly sat and listened to Wright for 20 years, and audaciously used the preachers racial diviseness to suceed in Chicago politics.
Are you going to believe your lying eyes or Obama?
The problem with the wine-track snobs is they should quit telling other people what they should want and listen to them instead.
Us beer-track slobs don’t need to be “instructed.”
Hey, don’t forget about us whiskey-track tubs of $hit!
Great post, Bud. Thanks
But I have to say, I don’t think the divide you are talking about is universal, and nor do I think it describes the current divide. I think, unfortunately, the current divide is more along race, gender and age terms than elitist liberals vs blue collar America.
I am a “latte liberal” but my husband’s family is solidly blue collar and we (myself and my in laws) agree on pretty much everything. In fact, one thing I have learned from them, is how intelligent and broad minded (in terms of the environment and the economy) blue collar America is. I think the Media and the “elite” liberals, grossly underestimate blue collar America in just about every way. Just because they may not have college degrees, does not mean they are not intelligent or well informed. My experience proves otherwise.
The divide I see in this election is a racial, gender and youth divide. Obama played the race card and, unfortunately, the AA community dropped kicked their long time supporters, the Clintons, and ran to him. And the white males, or I should say, the insecure white males, just aren’t ready to give up their dominion. And the youth, being young and naive, bought into the hope and change rhetoric.
I don’t know how deep the divide is, but it’s clear there is a lot of hatred spewing from both sides, but mostly from the Obama supporters side. But as I have said before, and I’ll say again, I think the hate mongers are really Republicans, they just haven’t figured that out yet.
you make some good comments. but i want to point out that the mean spirited racist comments and charges began with the obama supporters. many of us had to leave places like kos because the obama supporters drove us away. over there they are trying to get personal information on hillary supporters in order to threaten them. so please don’t equate hillary supporters with the hatred and meaness coming from many obama supporters and a number on his campaign.
We are the heirs of the world’s most enlightened revolution – Amen!
We have been entrusted to continue the legacy of the New Deal. The mission of the Democratic Party is to expand opportunity for all. – I have always felt that our trade agreements that excluded labor and environmental rules was a betrayal of this sacred trust.
the so called “dim” leadership has abandoned the new deal for the raw deal in my humble opinion. i come from a democratic background but have been an independent for awhile. i considered returning to the democratic party in 06 but watching pelosi and reed suck up to bush changed my mind. i lean to the democratic party, but they are driving us and the base right out the door.
Thanks Bud …
I enjoyed this Piece too..and liked the reasons why “WE BELIEVE..”..because We Do..
I want to see a Democrat in the White House in 2008, but you can’t just drag someone out of Chicago’s politics of “pay to play on steroids,” and call it good.
I suppose when I was asking for a Democrat,I should have specified exactly what I meant. I didn’t want an arugula eating elitist with a questionable background who can’t even denouce Randi Rhodes for calling Democratic women whores.
you said it yttik
The list of who he dissed it getting longer by the day. But Obama and his surrogates’ misogyny and sexism have never been repented. In fact, it’s their stamp on trade.
Since Jimmy Carter the democratic party has gamed the primary for the elitist side of the party. We had strong candidates in the past like Joe Biden, Paul Tsongas and John Edwards. But the Kennedy wing of the party wanted to remain relevant and kingmakers gamed the system so their candidate will come out on top. They don’t want a repeat of 1980 when their boy challenged an incumbent and lost the primary fight.
yup, i liked tsongas also.
obama at party with palestinian chanting death to israel-and its on video. that is one id like to see out-
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“Obama Bin Laden” gaffe. Freudian slip?
ROFLOL!!
oh chit
(BAD WEEK 4 BO)
Great Post Bud White.
Go back to KOS little Odramabots! Shoo! or is it too lonely there?
I smell trouble a-brewin’…
Someone is feeling the heat. They’re out in packs.
Great stuff, Bud!
BREAKING:
Hillary looks to be ready to pick up two superdelegates in NJ:
http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=379
FAN-tastic news! Let’s hope this plays out!
Nice Psi-Ops you have going here. This is a blueprint for how to divide a political party. Great going, CIA-stooge!
poster, when you call names, go look in a mirror. and take yourself back to kos or redstate.
This is a blueprint for how to divide a political party. Great going, CIA-stooge!
Right because nothing says “I support Hillary Clinton” quite like Holocaust denial at Rense.com
You can really tell a concern troll from the number of posts they leave. Their writings are like bird droppings, annoying and unable to eliminate unless you stop putting seed in the feeder.
I don’t care for or about the “elitist” tag. I do care about the economic policies of both candidates and how they would affect the ability of people like me to succeed as I have.
I was born into the lower middle class, and I have been able to rise well above that because of the legacy of FDR’s New Deal, which itself rested on the success of the Populist movement that spawned unionized labor in the early 20th century (my grandparents founded unions in the brass mills of Connecticut).
I know where I come from and what I have had to overcome. I know that I would not have reached my current level of success but for the New Deal.
Obama has signaled that he is willing to undo the greatest success of the New Deal, Social Security, claiming that it has problems when, in fact, it doesn’t. Obama has further signaled that he does NOT support the logical extension of the New Deal: Universal Health Care. Instead, he would spend 80% of the money Clinton would to cover only half of the people. Cui Bono? Who benefits?
There are a LOT of things I don’t like about Clinton. I would have far preferred Edwards over either of Clinton or Obama, but Clinton is the only remaining candidate who seems to remember the little guy. Obama is an inspirational speaker, but I’m focused on what he does, which does not seem to match what he says.
That being said, I’ll vote for Obama over McCain. I just fear that Obama is the same kind of empty suit that Dubya “A Uniter Not a Divider” was.
–Griff
Exactly Griff.
You get what you vote for. Therefore, I will never vote for Barack Obama, for numerous reasons. I will not vote for John McCain, either. I will not reward either one of the two with my precious vote. I am a life-long Democrat who has NEVER voted for a Republican. If Barack is the nominee, it will be a miracle if he wins. And since I live in Florida, I may vote a complete Republican ticket, other than the presidential nominee, to stick a thumb in the eye of the DNC. I am not happy about Florida’s primary, and the asinine way it has been handled.
Yikes. Things must be pretty desperate in Obama-land tonight. We have had a bushell of trolls in the past 48 hours. Methinks the Good Ship Lollipop is taking on water…
This has been my mantra all along — that this is about class and not race.
Obama has apparently lived in a bubble — and where he grew up was physically not part of the US. Kids in Hawaii have a different reality. It is hard to explain. Tourist from the states often get razzed by the locals because the tourist sometimes ask what currency they should use to pay the bill. But the tourist really GET it that Hawaii is very different from the Mainland US. In fact the Pidgin English is so common that is the first language most children learn BEFORE they learn “teacher’s English”. But that wasn’t the Hawaii that Obama knew — he went to Punahoe where Pidgin English was not spoken. Many children of the wealthy manage to live such an isolated life by going to Punahoe that they can’t speak Pidgin English — and if they want to remain in Hawaii they have to learn the island’s main language.
Obama grew up mostly in Hawaii — he didn’t have long drives across country to visit all his midwest relatives. Obama grew up in the very wealthy part of Hawaii — not the rural area where the poorer people live. In Hawaii there is the same class differences — where people shop, clothes they wear, furniture in their homes, cars they drive — as found on the mainland.
So now Obama is confronting the working class democrats — the folks that pay the taxes and support this nation — for perhaps the first time in his life. (Besides Rev. Wright/Wrong’s church — which probably was filled with working class people.)
Obama feels more comfortable with the elites — that’s where he can make fun of the working class yokels. This has been his problem from the very beginning. What did he care when people in his district were living without heating in buildings owned by his upper class buddy — Rezko.
Hillary gets it — because she is from the working class. That’s why she WORKS SO DARN HARD.
Obama feels more comfortable with the elites because he wants to be one of them. The problem is that people who consider themselves to be ‘elite’ see everybody else as something to be used to get what they want. That includes Obama. They think (maybe correctly) that they can get things from Obama that they can’t get from Clinton. Like a continuation of the tax handouts to the people who least need it (the billionaires).
A comment sent to NPR Morning Edition today:
A link to the story:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89642173
Another link, this time to a great story on Salon by Michael Lind:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/04/15/elitism/index.html
Elite would be ok. Not a damn thing wrong with noblesse oblige. But that’s the problem, isn’t it: class. He doesn’t have it. He is arrogant in victory, sullen in defeat.
What he knows/understands of adversity (and overcoming it), he read in books. He appropriates that of others. His personal character-building experience has been a full-time ethnicity kampf.
This is another middle-aged juvenile (like dubya). They don’t mature, they only senesce.
In case this does not cause the Democratic Party to implode, Karl Rove is probably grooming another glib Harvard lawyer to run for president based on some part-time legislative time-serving, a bit pro-bono business for AIDS victims, and a book about his 30 years of inner turmoil about being queer.
“We believe poor Americans should be given the opportunity and
responsibility to improve their own lives, and we will help them do it.”
Responsibility- not something BO’s Rev or BO are very strong on- Blame it all on someone else! It’st not my fault- the people in PA are bitter and clingy! It’s not your fault- it’s the Government trying to keep you down.
Give me a break- grow up and take responsibility for your words and actions!
Even a senior editor at The New Republic has seen the light.
http://www.tnr.com/toc/story.html?id=bf08a566-7c44-446a-aa34-7889b0f24b5a
Good. He deserves it.
Mickey Kaus gets it, too.
http://www.slate.com/id/2188487/
You know why St. Obama said it? First he thought it would not be made public. What one says “behind closed doors” is truly reflective of how he thinks. The obvious question is why has Obama been CLINGING to his faith? Is it because HE is filled with bitterness? Apparently, one might just have to be bitter to “cling” to a church that is racist, America hating and conspiracy theory spewing church for 20 years. So I summize he said it because that is his world view of religion.
This guy is such a fraud and is absolutely toast in November.
You know, I just re-read this post, and you have NO IDEA WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.
I live in San Francisco, you know, where Obama addressed all those chardonnay sippers, and this city is the living, breathing embodiment of all the things you claim to stand for.
Do you know that our minimum wage here is currently over $9/hr [that's over $3 more than the federal, BTW]? That we recently voted on an annual inflation increase in our minimum wage? Or that this city of snobs and elitists guarantees healtcare for all its residence, regardless of citizenship?
You are trying to fabricate a rift where none exists to temporarily elevate Hillary, at the expense of the solidarity of the party, as though the Democratic party “belongs” to you and is being taken over by undesirable forces. Who is the elitist again? You should be ashamed of yourself.
HILLARY’S LAMENT
O the pain–the humiliation
What the hell is wrong with this nation?
It was My Time, I tell you
I waited so long
Now here’s this Obama
Running so strong
I tried to be sweet, I’d cry and wink
When that didn’t work, we threw in the sink
My money got lower, it matched our morale
I loaned me five million, I couldn’t fail
But he just kept winning
Nine, ten, eleven
I surely needed divine help from heaven
And so it arrived, straight from Wright
I knew now I had him, I’d win this fight
Then he appeared in Philadelphia, P A
Walked to the podium and began to say
We must begin this talk about race
Our history, our anger, let’s move this debate
Or we can continue the same old line
Or we can declare to all NOT THIS TIME
Inside my heart, I knew it was over
But I had to stay in it, not run for cover
I’m in it to win it, repeated so often
Yet what lay before me, a political coffin
The sink is gone, the bathtub too
I’m left alone, even by you
You made up your mind
I’m not in it
Obama is POTUS
I’m back in the Senate
No, it’s more like this: Obama is a PUTZ.
Even worse a PUTZ that sheds his skin every time he has to identify himself.
Hershel Walker revealed he suffers from DID. At least he knows his alters. Obama can’t even identify with his to FIND them!
No identity. No body. No one.
From Politico today:
In other words…
Earth to Moon: “Do you want the Democrat Party to lose in November?”
Moon to Earth: “I, Barack Obama, support this message.”
Unlike in 2000 and 2004 where Dems can blame the GOP for losing elections, if they lose 2008, this time it’s because the Far-Left did what the Far-Left Neo-Conservatives did to the GOP — destroy it from the base.
Out of touch. Out of mind. Out of office.
All of you Obama supporters who find themselves on this site, let me say, as a newcomer myself, welcome. Unfortunately the welcomes are few and far between when it comes to Hillary supporters visiting what used to be neutral sites of open discussion.
Why do a lot of people worry about Obama? Simply put, we don’t know him. He is a professional politician, whose life has been nicely arranged for political office. All of his moves have been smoothly political. I do not need to be saved as most Obama supporters do. I think for myself and evaluate. I wonder how Obama can get away with anything and it seems to just bounce off. His true self is beginning to show and all of you will find out too late. He is weak and unknown. His Wright infatuation, his voting record his mean-spirited wife- these are just a few of the known things that trouble me. As a Hillary supporter, there is no way I will forgive the press, the Obama campaign and Obama supporters for carefully calculating all the negativity piled onto Hillary. So many wonderful things about Hillary are not getting out there because of a careful campaingn to elect Obama. I will not vote for the election of Barack Obama. No Way!!