Unelectable
By Bud White on April 14, 2008 at 10:10 AM in Barack Obama, Clinton, Current Affairs, Electoral College, Elitism, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Patriotism, Superdelegates
The message coming out of the Clinton campaign on Sunday is that Obama has rendered himself unelectable.
On Sunday, Obama said Hillary should be ashamed for bringing up Snob-gate.
The Clinton Team fired back with this:
Sen. Clinton does know better — she knows better than to condescend and talk down to voters like Senator Obama did. Senator Obama’s outburst won’t change the fact that he has embraced his characterization of the millions of Americans who live in small towns.[Emphasis Added]
This is a powerful argument for three reasons. First, it reminds Democrats who are hungry for victory that Obama is not fully vetted. Second, it sends a message to the superdelegates that Obama is now fatally wounded against McCain in November. And third, it speaks most immediately to blue collar Democrats in Pennsylvania that Obama is the elites’ choice.
“Democrats have reached out to me to say that we can’t afford for people to believe that the Democratic Party is elitist and out of touch. Because honestly, how do we expect people to listen to us if we don’t hear them and we don’t respect their values and their way of life?…We’re at a point in America where we need to be bringing people together to help solve our problems…People don’t need a president who looks down on them; they need a president who stands up for them.”
The New York Times interviewed the legendary expert on rural politics, Mudcat Saunders. He deserves to be listened to closely: “David Saunders, a Democratic strategist and rural advocate, advised John Edwards’s presidential campaign but is now neutral. He said he believed that Mr. Obama’s comments would offend rural voters…It could mean he’s rendered himself unelectable,” Mr. Saunders said. “This is a perfect example of why Democrats lose elections.”
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Another bit of elitist crap for Barack’s wife Michelle. I just found this on the Taylor Marsh website.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1972093/posts
Michelle Obama is in synch with her man. Too bad they are not in synch with the rest of America.
According to Michelle Obama, my soul is broken.
My eyes, ears, and brain are working and they are telling me that Michelle should stick to matters that she knows about because she surely doesn’t know anything about my soul.
I don’t have a soul to break.
Nuff said…….stick a fork in him he’s done.
Do not count things out so fast, Obama still controls the media and they are spinning it again, there is 8 days to go, and unless the pressure is put on full force things can change!
Clinton needs to keep the pressure going and so does everyone else, this guy is a jerk most thinking people already knew, and Larry has doen a good job with his associates in keeping the reality of Obama in focus, but letting a guard down on a poll isn’t going to win anything!
Keep the fight on Obama going and his defence CANNOT turn into placing Clinton on the defense again!
Demand answers from Obama on everything and everything he has and does say from now on!
I’m interested in the falsification of the eeconomic record. Small town USA did ok during the nineties.
It’s one area that Obama shouldn’t be going after the Clinton record.
IWR vote, Healthcare failure, welfare reform are open season. but heavens above–the economy in the 90s was good.
Salo, YES.
That is the worst thing he said. Why would he want to slam a fellow Democrat who was great for the economy. Dividing his own party, not giving credit to an excellent presidency, the best in over fifty years.
That’s what Clinton campaign should be repeating again and again.
And also, her Green program for the economy. I noticed Obama has copied the concept, talking about it as his own.
every dem has talked about “Green Collar” jobs–to be fair. Gore probably koined it.
i would like for senator annointed to address what the dim leaders in congress were doing while these bad economic times took place this past 25 years. you know senator, the ones currently supporting you. duh!
I really do think some thought needs to be given to how Barry the Ignorant is framed.
Whenever I see him labeled as a Democrat I cringe. He is not a Democrat.
He is a newish species of tool for the Uber-Rich and I really think we should call him what he is:
Liebercrat.
He poses a mortal danger to the progressive movement and calling him what he is would go a long way to defusing this.
Sorry Bud. Your girl is going down.
Sorry Bud. Your boy is going down.
New poll from ARG for Pennsylvania. When they polled on Apr 5-6 it was even 45-45%. The poll done Apr 11-13 shows it 57-37% Hillary.
I think that this says it without oversaying it, except, in your case, Kevin …
SCREW YOU BARACK!
Speaking of going down, did folks see that piece claiming that Obama has been on the down low? Sinclair is the man’s name, I believe.
What man of heterosexual taste would marry that termagent Michelle?
Maybe we should see if their kids look like Rev. Wright.
Or Tony Rezko.
Standard pre-primary drivel. She’ll win PA.
Embarrassingly so.
Oh look. A poll of one. Cool.
ROFLOL!
are you expecting Obama to win Pennsylvannia?
She’s likely to lose the overall nomination because the superdels will want to avoid a riot in Denver but she appears to be “quids in” for Pennsylvannia.
Exactly. We are picking a presidential nomination out of fear of riots. How many things can you find wrong with this picture in November?
That’s my take on it. But it is a real fear.
The hardcore antiwar faction will not spare the rod in 2008.
fear of riots. ???
Bring it on Denver. …’cause democracy ain’t just words.
I don’t not advocate violence in any way, but to make a choice based on fear of any kind is “Stupid is as Stupid does” .
Salo I am not picking on you. But where ever you stand now with that “fear of yours” , next year could be in front of a US tank ala China. Democracy is not easy.
and because of that logic (fear of riots), we may nominate a loser for the gen in November (Barry) and the Repubs will again control the White House.
All those billionaires that Barry met at the Getty’s will be fine. It will be the middle class that withers away.
a riot in Denver? All those disappointed hispanic voters?
If she wins the nomination based on superdelegates breaking for her I predict there will be a riot in Denver–i’ve seen it threatened in a few corners of the blogosphere.
The hardcore antiwar faction will go nuts at the very least. The anarchists are likely to turn up like they did in LA in 2000.
convention frying pans and november fire.
And do dumb white boys, both black and white, riot like they googlebomb, um, all limp and trolled like?
Thanks for the heads up.
Again, the stupidest people on earth, using the threat of violence as blackmail.
Well, by all means, do what you have to…
The press would hype up any thing and turn it into 1968.
If they want to guarantee the White House and Republicans control of Congress for the next couple of decades than by all means riot.
I don’t see the rioters of 1968 as glamorous, the Ayers don’t impress me.
Talk about bratty children…
And I think Kristol is the Republican side of that coin.
Ayers is a psycho.
“I feel we didn’t do enough.”
–Bill Ayers-2001
Didn’t Bush have presidential excutive order that if there is civil unrest he could block the election? Way to go Obama people. I am angry with the democratic party ,that in a year where there should be no question of winning the election, they shove this loser idiot down out throats.
And do dumb white boys, both black and white, riot like they googlebomb, um, all limp and trolled like?
LOL! They won’t riot. They would spill their lattes if they did that. LOL!
Party elites rioting. That should be pretty scary for a bunch of ranchers.
P.S. I’m from Colorado and I have no desire tosee my state trashed, but I am not scared of obamabots.
There will be thousands of peace protestors there this year. The Battle of Seattle.
They won’t riot, Salo.
They just want you to THINK they will.
You and the superdelegates.
Not gonna work.
I would rather have that then Barack Obama in charge of our lives. This man spells Blood.
Then all those bitter people should just bring their guns.
i think we are looking at the threat of riots by the aa community if their candidate doesn’t get the nomination. that is why they are trying to chase hillary out of the race. somebody needs to can brazile’s rear out very soon.
and if these threats are made or enacted on national television this summer, count on the dims losing the presidency and the possibility of a minority (successful)presidential candidate for a generation. heck of job there, barry!
I have thought this all along. Why else would Dean throw FLA and MICH away? He is afraid. We are being blackmailed by the threat of violence. I remember well, Roland Martin slipping on CNN and saying, “Barack Obama had BETTER Get the nomination”.
Well, this gal says Barack better not get the nomination. What an embarrassment he will be. I can just see him talking to world leaders now.
Everyone in the US is bitter,
they cling to guns or religion
or antipathy to people who
aren’t like them or anti-
immigrant sentiment or anti-
trade sentiment as a way to
explain their frustrations.
What an impression he will make. He will come home to tell us one thing, only to find out in the morning he said something he hadn’t meant to say. I can’t wait. And Michelle. What a gem she is. She can go to Pakistan and complain about paying her college fees. What a couple. This is a mean blog, but I am so bitter.
the obamanuts don’t seem to understand, or care, that if they riot it will do horrendous harm to future candidacies of african americans who, unlike obama, would actually be good presidents, such as harold ford jr. the rioting might not be aa-led, but it would be blamed on aa’s. that’s just how it is.
of course, the ones making the threats are mostly the kids who don’t think past next week. it’s all about get rid of hillary now, without thinking that the tactics they’re using will destroy their chances in a general election. and it’s all about instant gratification, without thinking about the harm in 2012, 2016, 2020, etc.
i remember the 60s quite well - we did a lot of things that were very good. we also did a lot of stupid things. those stupid things resulted in the nixon presidency.
the obamanuts are costing us a hillary presidency and giving us a mccain presidency. i personally think a mccain presidency is far preferable to an obama presidency. but it is a tragedy when compared to a hillary presidency. the obamanuts will live a lot longer than i will, and the effects of this bad decision will be with them for many years to come.
Hillary’s not going anywhere. Mr. Hope thinks voters in small-town USA are bigots. I don’t think that will sit well with most small-town people in this country. Most don’t like being insulted by elitists like Mr. Hope and you’re going to find that out next Tuesday. Mr. Hope insulted the WRONG people…the working class. OOPS! Talk about IMPLODING.
All the older white women I KNOW, support Hillary and will write in her name if she’s not the nominee, but she WILL BE the nominee because Mr. Hope is now toast.
According to a Survey USA poll this is not true. In fact, white men are moving towrds Clinton and her lead with older white women remains the same. Full resukts below.
You cite no figures and quote just one woman. Therefore this is anecdotal in nature, and as such is mildly interesting but meaningless.
“In a Democratic Primary in Pennsylvania today, 04/08/08, two weeks to the vote, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 56% to 38%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for WCAU-TV Philadelphia, KDKA-TV Pittsburgh, WHP-TV Harrisburg, and WNEP-TV Wilkes-Barre. The results are almost identical to a SurveyUSA poll released one month ago. Then, Clinton led by 19. Today, 18. In between, however, in a SurveyUSA tracking poll released last week, Obama had closed to within 12 points. What happened in the past 7 days?
1st: Some of the men who flirted with Obama at the end of March have returned to Clinton. Other men have moved to the sidelines. Last week, Obama led by 7 among men. Men were 46% of likely voters. Today, Clinton leads among men. Men are 42% of likely voters.
2nd: Obama lost ground among voters age 35 to 49. A week ago, he had caught Clinton in this age group. Today, he’s down 18. By contrast, there is no movement among voters age 50+. Clinton’s lead among voters 50+ is stable across all 3 tracking polls.
3rd: In Southeast PA, which includes Philadelphia and which makes up 42% of likely Democratic voters, Clinton had a good week, Obama a bad week. Clinton is above 50% for the first time and Obama is now down by 9 in a region he must win to carry the state. In Southwest PA, which includes Pittsburgh, Clinton polls at 60% for the first time, 25 points atop Obama. Only in West Central PA, which includes Johnstown, has there been consistent movement toward Obama.
4th: Among moderates, Obama lost key ground while Clinton gained ground. Clinton now leads by 24 points, 60% to 36%. Obama also lost ground among Liberals. And while Obama’s support fell among Conservatives, so did Clinton’s.
5th: Interviewing for SurveyUSA’s 04/01/08 release, one week ago, occurred in the middle of Obama’s 6-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, which began on 03/28/08. Obama may have benefited a week ago from the media spotlight. Summary: The complete absence of movement among whites and among women is striking. Among white voters, Clinton polled at 61% in all 3 tracking polls. Among women, Clinton was at 62% a month ago, 62% last week, and 61% today. These two unwavering core constituencies help make Clinton so formidable in the Keystone state.”
And just to state the obvious, this poll was taken BEFORE the SF comments.
Older white women, OK older women, are just not seen once they hit forty, but they’re still there, very powerful.
This weekend I saw how much political clout they have, and they are ignored at the candidates peril.
Obama would have been far better off courting women, as opposed to denigrating them.
Maybe it’s a soc.man thing, given so many tech people support Obama, but given how weak, and stupid that contingent is, the elite Silicone Valley crowd supporting Obama, their technology losing THREE wars, selling themselves to anyone no matter the greater consequences, real players, man, it’s all viral, it’s no loss.
Better to expose the pus filled wound that is San Francisco, so the democratic party, and the country, can heal.
Why is she up in the polls then? You’re a total fantasy dweller.
In your dreams!! Go back to your OBAMA site.
Well now wait a minute. He IS electable if he can get Ayers to gas all Italians, White Women over 40, Jews, everybody in Florida, everybody in Michigan, and all the folks in Small Town America.
That should do it. Small job for Ayers, really.
And he won’t regret doing it, just regret that he didn’t have enough time to do it was well as he’d hoped.
Ah yes- Ayers- the reason Obama should NEVER get a security clearance- but I guess the rules don’t apply to the media choice of nominee.
Jeez, as a 42 year old Italian-American woman from a working-class blue-collar Philadelphia suburb, I should just give up the ghost here and now, eh?
Barack, my foul-mouthed Italian grandmother had a saying for people like you: Shit in your hat and pull it over your ears.
Oh you had a great talking grandmother!!!
I’m still chuckling — and it is so right on for Obama!!
I think we are past the stage of comparing Clinton and Obama. Since there seems to be so much vocal support for Obama from all quarters, the time has come for these people to examine if he will help them win their election? Unfortunately Hillary’s supporters are taken for granted and held hostage assuming that they will vote democratic no matter what. Putting aside that for a moment, all Obama’s supporters should candidly assess if their candidate will win them this election against the republicans. Envision all the ammunition he has given to republicans that will make him the weaker candidate. While at it, also envision all the things he has done to divide his own party — because many of us will not support him (why? because we were cheated out of our more viable and winnable candidate who is on the right side of all issues including FL and MI).
Electability, anyone? Winning elections, anyone?
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LOL!
My problem with Obama isn’t just his contempt for core values of working class America.
It’s his pattern of saying one thing to people’s face, then when he thinks it’s safe, saying what he really thinks.
He rages about NAFTA to Ohio voters, then tells Canada his speech was a lot of BS rhetoric.
He asks PA to vote for him, then tells his fancy, rich friends that those voters are f*ked up backwater slugs.
He is a nice guy, but he is not a straight shooter. You can never trust what he tells you.
linking skepticism about freetrade with economic hardship and THEN suggesting it’s a false consciousness on par with “guns god and gays” should force industrial unions to reject him.
Protectionism for key industries like Steel and Defense is a perfectly respectable economic theory/measure. Simple skepticism of about “laissez faire” economics is even more respectable.Ecomomists are simply accademics with real world influence after all. Their ideas should be vigorously challenged by electorates.
Those two paragraphs are dynamite for a clever opponent–left or right.
but he is not a straight shooter & you can never trust what he tells you
To me those two traits do not equal “a nice guy.”
Obama is slime and he is ruining the Democratic Party…….what was left of it anyway.
I mostly agree with your analysis, but I long ago stopped thinking he was a nice guy.
“It’s his pattern of saying one thing to people’s face, then when he thinks it’s safe, saying what he really thinks.”
Exactly! If he had made his statements to the people of Pennsylvania, he might be able to get away with his “oh, I phrased it badly” defense. But he didn’t — he said it on the opposite side of the country for the entertainment of an elite group of his monied backers, and they apparently paid him magnificently for his performance.
In my neck of the woods, this is called talking about you behind your back and shows a definite lack of character or decency.
And where does he feel safe, among “his own?” Surrounded by the filthy-rich.
Nice guys do not stab you in the back. Barry is not a nice guy, he just plays one on teevee.
Everyone will be watching the bigots aka white votes closely. If Mr hope can’t get 30-35% in PA, IN, NC etc.. he is done OK. If the DNC and Pelosi gang still want to nominate mr hope, then they truely have a death wish.
NC will be interesting, she’s getting pounded in the polls there. Even if Hillary can come up with a tie there Barry’s done.
Ace Smith is in NC so I’ll take the polls with a grain of salt. He’s known to deliver.
I made this comment over at Anglachel’s blog, but it goes here, too:
You know the thing that creeps me out — the filthy-rich assholes who are at the heart of this little power struggle for control of the Democratic party don’t really care if we win in November or not.
They aren’t shooting to defeat McCain. They’re shooting to defeat us. If they lose the general election but shove us hoi polloi back in our place, they will count it as a victory.
Why? They’ll be fine no matter who wins. This is just one cadre of rich fucks struggling against another. The election is just the way they keep score. Their lives aren’t at stake.
I just wonder whether or not these arguments — correct and accurate — of Obama getting his ass handed to him in the GE aren’t like shooting bullets at a science fiction monster that doesn’t exist in this dimension, and so the bullets just slide right through.
Their lives are at stake, they’re just too stupid to understand the greater consequences.
And really, their lives are out stake.
They lose without a healthy middle class, and the Chinese, Russians and EU have no room for them, once they lose their money, and stop presentign the ideas they steal.
They are all really THAT mypoic, that obtuse, unsophisticated.
Geez, you could be in Iran, here, thses people are so THICK.
are, and these, sorry for the typos…
Have you ever been to Hemet?
The Silicone Valley democratic posers are the same as the pretentious of Hemet (pretensious of Hemet, not the regular residents).
They can look it, dress it and pretend it, but they can’t be it, becasue they’re not smart enough.
Is Larry Ellison still on his Ayn Rand kick?
A lot of those idiot posers were, thinking the world revolved around them, and here, those superior men and women lost three wars…
I agree I don’t think they care if McCain wins but I do think they want Congress badly. They might be figuring it would be easier to run things if there’s no dem in the WH telling them what to do.
Knock out Hillary so they can offer up the sacrificial lamb to be wiped out in November. Delinking from Obama will not be a problem. Politicians are masters of it. The gamble is it could destroy your downline ticket but at this juncture it seems dem leadership is willing to take that chance.
Janis, I think this comment is so well put that I’m putting (I hope that’s OK) on my personal blog right now.
McCain was on CNN around 11:00 am today talking about the first amendment and reporters. He wound up his talk with some remarks about O.’s comments on the “bitter” working class-McCain said the working class in small town America are the people who survived the Great Depression and went on to win WW11; they are not bitter, rather they are strong and will make the US strong again.
He appears to believe O. will win the nomination, and he [McCain] has just landed the knock out punch against O. in the GE.
It’s odd to see the first amendment and the second castigated as false consciousness.
It’s all over Dkos and MyDD…We spent years arguing about avoiding the topic of guns. Years arguing about keeping our anticlerical attitudes to ourselves and make sure it’s expressed as respectful seclarism instead.
all ruined by Obama in the blink of an eye.
I bet he can’t wait to use Obamas bullshit comparing the primary against Hillary to a Bataan Death March.
“From the Hanoi Hilton to the Bataan Death March my friends…America suffers, endures and then triumphs. Have faith in Duty and Old Glory even in our darkest hour–and we shall prevail.”
the copy writes itself.
Unelectable
Ohhhhhhhhh this could get uglyyyyyy.
Oh no, it’ll be a quick clean kill for the likes of Peggy Noonan and David Frum.
McCain can add in a series of snearing comments about:
Bataan; Hanoi Hilton; Annie Oakley; Guns, God and Government; Hope; Change; gutterball bowling; duck blinds.
And have you heard the audio book for dreams of My Father?..Miho, Obama doesn’t have a prayer–Wright might blush at some of the things that Obama wrote. Maybe he should call Wright for some guidance…or Meeks or whatever crackpot preacher will listen about the “clingy” people that reject him in November.
But we Democrats, my friends, are stuck with him now.
We aren’t yet stuck with him. The way he’s alienating voters on a regular basis — just in the past week he’s dissed pro-choice voters, gun owners, residents of small towns and rural areas, people of faith, people worried about job security, and probably several other groups I have forgotten or not heard about — I’m not sure exactly who he and his backers in the party organization think would be willing to vote for him come November. His previous ridicule of old people and women have already ruled out those two groups; and if he really believes that BS about the Republicans in Idaho voting for him, I foresee a big disappointment in his future.
Surely at some point party leaders will see the futility of continuing to prop up his candidacy and get on board with Hillary.
Party leaders are shaking in their boots from threats. I can feel it.
The only way Obama can “win” this nomination is by blocking MI and FL. If the DNC insists on being suicidal I wish they’d just by a gun and kill themselves rather than take us all out with them. We all knew he was a joke for the GE before all this. Even before Wright he had huge problems in the GE, especially after TX and OH. Now, it’s all the more glaringly obvious that he’ll be lucky to avoid a total landslide and not damage the Democratic party for a generation.
He’s already achieved that. Much to the peril of the Democratic party, which will once again be marginalized for years to come.
Leave it to the Democrats to snatch defeat from victory.
oh baby, you gotta read William Kristol’s op-ed in the Times. He may be a winger but he nails it shut. Got to get this out to the “little” people, those poor suffering, church going slobs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/14/opinion/14kristol.html?hp
The end of that article is great
What has Barry done that gives him the right?
Hell what he done period?
William Kristol is nut.
Really, I wouldn’t ask that idiot for the time, and my advice to others would be the same.
Really, republicans, when you wonder, if you do, WHY you lost three wars, and why you can’t implement your political agenda, start with Kristol.
Damn!
But they never do ask, they just keep losing, always pretending men like Kristol, and Freddy Kagan, get it.
They don’t, they are pseudo intellectuals.
Where oh where can I get that poster?! I want to print out about 1000 of em and plaster them all over this area right next to ovomit’s! At his election offices too. Wonder if the dim bulbs will be able to tell the dif?
Me too! Can you put up a link to the atrwork? It’s AWESOME!
Please go vote on his website… http://www.billoreilly.com/site
Bill O’Reilly has a question
Which gaffe was worse?
Hillary on Bosnia
Barack and Rev. Wright
Will Obama Pay for ‘Bitter’ Flap comment?
Post your vote
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Obama doesn’t waste his time showing up in African American neighborhoods in PA.
Obama is now swinging away wildly at everything within reach like a raging drunk.
Seriously.
I’ve checked out all of today’s stories and Obama has totally lost his cool.
He’s bashing Hillary for talking about guns, he’s bashing her for having a beer, he’s bashing her for trade agreements, he’s bashing her for her campaign contributions.
He’s gone berserck.
I know! Does anybody else see this but us?
The pattern is obvious. He is trying to prove to SD that Hillary is also un-electable if they think he is un-electable.
Pelosi gang is very silent…….this bittergate could flip both houses if they don’t take this seriously b/c Dems won some red seats in ‘06.
They will reap whatever it is they decide to sow.
Exactly how afraid of riots are they? Afraid enough to marginalize the party and alienate HUGE chunks of their base for another decade or so?
Stay tuned. They are polling as we speak.
They are petrified of a repeat of 1968 (when the peace demontrators and chicago police went toe to toe.) and the Humphrey/Mccarthy contest repeating itself. Throw a race riot in on the mix and they probably fear something even worse.
primary fryingpan and November fire.
No good way out.
You don’t bend to blackmail.
If they do, they deserve to lose.
Rove’s gonna use terrorism as a backdrop, and the DNC is going to allow itself to be blackmailed by a bunch of mundane, run of the mill,republican ( and Obama) thugs?
Too much security anyway, after 9.11.
I think the next ten primaries will totally take the wind out their sails. If by riot you mean jump ship in a mad panic to get away from someone who is radioactive then yes there maybe a riot.
lol.
It always helps to prove how in control you are if you wave your arms and jump up and down and scream.
Too bad none of his shit is sticking, except on him.
The 10 seconds of news I heard had him yelling that Hillary can’t come to Pennsylvania and talk about NAFTA and China’s WTO status….
Like “Sleepless in Seattle” …SHUT UP? Mom never told SHUTUP!
I think to my self nor can Obama come to Pennsylvania and call everyone a bigot.
NAFTA, you mean that trade deal Obama says he would tear up, while Goolsbee is telling Canadian officials differently, that NAFTA he wants to talk about?
Think Obama forgot to take his kool aide this morning, he wants to talk about issues now, when he hasn’t talked about them at all before now!
Incredible how Obama changes when the winds of time are not favorable to the Chicago low life politician isn’t it?
That’s cute- Renders him unelectable! LMAO- the man has been unelectable since day one and pundits are just now fiuring out what we, the people, have known all along!
ROFLMAO
Go check this out right now. LOL!!
http://www.hillaryhub.com/
ROFL
$99.99 a pound.
OF Course that’s the message coming from the camp…what part of they will say and do anything to win don’t you guys understand?
This is a post from Theda Skocpol to TPM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theda_Skocpol
“I have been in meetings with the Clintons and their advisors where very clinical things were said in a very-detached tone about unwillingness of working class voters to trust government — and Bill Clinton — and about their unfortunate (from a Clinton perspective) proclivity to vote on life-style rather than economic issues. To see Hillary going absolutely over the top to smash Obama for making clearly more humanly sympathetic observations in this vein, is just amazing. Even more so to see her pretending to be a gun-toting non-elite. Give us a break!
I wonder if she realizes that gaining a few days of lurid publicity that might reach a slice of voters is going to cost her a great deal in the regard of many Democrats, whose strong support she will need if she somehow claws her way to the nomination — and even more so if she does not clinch the nomination. The distribution of “we’re not bitter” stickers to her campaign rallies is the height of over-the-top crudity, and the reports are that very few audience members seem to have much enthusiasm for this nonsense. Not surprisingly, people cannot see the reasons for so much fuss.
Yes, she wants a big break, she desperately wants the nomination she and Bill believe is hers by right. We all know that. But where is her authenticity and her dignity and her sense of any proportion?
This has to be one of the few times in U.S. political history when a multi-millionaire has accused a much less wealthy fellow public servant, a person of the same party and views who made much less lucrative career choices, of “elitism”! (I won’t say the only time, because U.S. political history is full of absurdities of this sort.) In a way, it is funny — and it may not be long before the jokes start.”
Yawn.
typical uninformed response…
Obama carries himself like an aristocrat.
The Clinton’s are vulgar.
However, both are wealthy and are members of an elite political class. Anyone who is a legacy Harvard or Yalie–is a member of the American oligarchy.
This is incredibly poor strategy, in that it’s done thoughtlessly, and it comes back to bite the user in the ass.
Just ask Rove, and Bush.
Again, though, those people never examine the reasoning behind their losses.
What’s odd about 2008 is that I were Clinton i’d have made sure the Wright connection was well known before Iowa.
Most of the problems with Obama that have surfaced were known about before Ioaw yet, she pulled the punches, I guess Edwards and Biden did too. They must have collected an Oppo dossier with all these clips and quotes too.
I wouldn’t have spared the man.
How exactly would you have made the Wright connection so well known in light of the complete and total adoration of Obama by the media? The story would not have been Obama’s connection with a hatemonger — it would have been “Hillary attacks darling Obama’s kindhearted old preacher.”
Punches were pulled but it was probably because the other candidates, unlike Obama, did not wish to completely divide and destroy the party.
Vulgar like fat stupid Bill Kristol, and Dick Cheney?
Please explain.
Vulgar is allowing yourself to be trolled into starting a war with Iraq, murdering millions.
Not an insult in my book.
It’s synonymous with common. Well Bill clinton is fairly common anyway.
i’m increasingly certain that Edwards was knocked out because he was a public schoolboy and never did an Ivy League or Rhodes tour. The aristocratic press were never reassured that he could be trusted with executive power like Bush or Kerry or Gore.
Clinton wasn’t unconnected in Arkansas, his stepdad was a cardealship owner–quite a powerful position in small town America. And he was bright enough to do the Yale/Oxford thing.
But Obama is actually a second generation Harvard alum. His parents were highly educated and his Grandmother was a Bank Vice-President. His step dad a military officer. You can’t keep pushing the goat herder schtick because it will come out all wrong in the end. His clan in Kenya were all politicals as well. His grandad was actually a powerful landowning Yeoman farmer.
eventually Obama will be viewed just as i’ve laid it out.
But where is her authenticity and her dignity and her sense of any proportion?
Double standards from someone who is an obvious Obama supporter, rendering just words to save the ass of someone who has continually done the same thing throughout his campaign against Clinton holds no water any longer, as Obama has been exposed!
Why not write instead of how Obama race baited or lied over NAFTA and still lies over his taking money from oil companies, or lobbyists openly, but in the form of bundlers!
Speak when you have something of substance to say that isn’t bias towards the fake messiah Obama Theda Skocpol
snore. You need a new act. HINT: This one doesn’t work anymore.
You O-Borga Hive members just don’t get it, do you? It’s not identifying the demographic of rural and middle Americans and their concerns that’s the problem with what The One said in San Francisco. He tagged them as cultural inferiors whose lifestyle revolves around bitterness towards others. Just because you can’t see “the little people” doesn’t mean they/we don’t exist.
Today, the O-Borg is lying about jobs in the ’90s and his own currying of favor (and cash) from lobbyists. The man is a total fraud, a charlatan, and yet he still has the chance (thanks to compliant media and the innate prejudice of many of his supporters) to take away George W. Bush’s title of “Worst President Ever”.
SUPERDELEGATES!!! They are the ones that need to take this in, as well as PA voters. But S.D in red states who have been more Obama friendly need to hear this, Freshmen House Members or Senators in weak re-election efforts in Bush districts need to need to hear this, and not let Obama get nomination. he will lose, which i don’t want to happen.
Trust me, they are polling this.
Your desperation is sad…
Please go back to the hole where you climed out of. Please I beg you. Stop bothering us, the un-educated Dems.
You panic is obvious.
He can’t go back. He has to stay here.
Manamongst Hussein…a name ya know.
Seems to have grown a wart…
Yea that thing BO does..what was it? OW OW OW I KNOW; calling everyone a weak white gun clutching garlicnosin’, religiousin’ fear mongerin’ bigot. It’s true. BO said so. Infact he said it is also true for urban dwellers as well!
And if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his butt when he hopped.
Distinguished Gentleman
Do you consider Obama’s remarks as “condescending” and “out of touch”?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2082
Will Obama Pay for ‘Bitter’ Flap comment?
Post your vote
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2093
Please go vote on his website… http://www.billoreilly.com/site
Bill O’Reilly has a question
Which gaffe was worse?
Hillary on Bosnia
Barack and Rev. Wright
Bosnia-bald faced LIE by Hills….
Yeah that’s a big one. Thisssssssssss Biggggggggg right now.
Daniel Rooney…owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers has just endorsed Obama…
hate to say I told ya so…
Dan likes it in the mud.
oh man…Rooney must be an expert on politics. I’m gonna vote for whoever he endorses!
owner of the steelers puts him in the Dom Perignon crowd, no wonder he endorsed the Big Odor himself
clink clink fizz
Yeah, a real man of the people, NFL team-owner. Maybe next they’ll roll out some other working-class team owners. Wait -there AREN’T any. Us regular folks LOVE the owners, who bitch and moan about how much their new stadiums will cost and blackmail the cities into footing the bill in exchange for some minimum wage seasonal jobs selling hotdogs.
ESPN bores me.
Was he scratching himself when he made this announcement?
That’s really deep….
really really deep…
he’s obviously not bitter.
only real elites are not bitter in these times.
Wow, that was even deeper…
The only bitter person is Obama. He is pissed because he still has to campaign against Hillary because she won’t get out of the race and let him be the nominee. Boo hoo hoo
I think he was projecting when he called PA people bitter.
What a ringing endorsement that is…Steelers mmm
projecting? Like when ya burp a baby and they hurl some?
The Clinton’s saying Obama is unelectable - this is news?
Anyway, Bill Clinton made a virtually identical comment about “economically insecure white people” in 1991. He seemed to rebound from that alright.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/bill-clinton-flashback-al_n_96433.html
You need to go back to school and learn some reading and comprehension it seems…
way to address the issue…speller checker…
You didn’t even understand , did you Manamongst Hussein ?
I wasn’t expectiing you too.
The point was about not being “identical”
that should have been “expecting you to”
Clinton was talking about the Republican strategy. Obama was talking about the PEOPLE clinging to religion and guns and whathave you BECAUSE they were bitter. Big difference, not that you’d understand of course….
he didn’t mention an uncouth clinging to guns and god though.
From: http://halfricanrevolution.blogspot.com/
How White Folks Keep It Real
It is one of the primary arguments of this blog that “black problems” don’t really exist, that issues in the black community are an exacerbated microcosm of larger Americans issues. So there is something to be learned from the flare-up of white identity politics over Obama’s “bitter” comments.
Hillary and McCain’s attempts to cast Obama as “elite” is a classic example of what Taylor Branch called the “inversion of history,” wherein the privileged become the oppressed. Obama was raised in a single parent working class home and despite his recent success, you don’t get much more elite than earning 16 million a year from making speeches and a family of high level military officials.
The way this works on a racial level cannot be ignored. Hillary’s supporters have worked for months to cast Obama as the recipient of some magical form of affirmative action, through proclaiming that his only appeal comes from his blackness and that Hillary “should be winning.” These further invoke the myth of the unqualified black masses stealing jobs from hardworking whites. The twist of the knife is in the subtext, which is simply, “this black guy thinks he’s better than you.” Whether this is deliberate or not is irrelevant, this is the emotional level at which this argument resonates.
All of this resentment serves to obscure the obvious: That we want our presidents to be elite. We want them to be extraordinary, not ordinary, and Obama shouldn’t have to apologize for being “elite” any more than any black kid should have to apologize for getting good grades.
These kinds of identity politics are based on a racialized premise of American identity, that “real Americans” are working class white people who own guns and don’t like gay people or immigrants. I cannot stress the degree to which this is a prime hustle, a path to power for the most irresponsible and self serving of politicians.
Black folks know this better than anybody. We’ve been bamboozled by generations of black elected officials like Marion Barry, Sharpe James and Kwame Kilpatrick, whose ties to the hood were supposed to make them effective mayors. They didn’t, and it was only by invoking those ties that they managed to stay in power as corrupt, greedy, and self-serving as they were. Only now are black folks beginning to recognize that privilege has not inured the Cory Bookers and Adrian Fentys of the world from their responsibility to the community. (James famously said on national television that Booker was not black, but Jewish, As though that made James any less corrupt or ineffective as Mayor.)
Cultural dominance of the media has worked to effectively shield white people from the same kind of self-examination. While the flagrant identity politics of black elected officials has been a topic in the media for years, the same kind of white identity politics from people like George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan has gone unnamed.
Yet, the phenomenon is the same. A politician uses his/her cultural currency to distract from issues of substance, he uses whatever connection to a community he has to appeal to their sense of familiarity, which serves to obscure his competence and priorities. Hillary Clinton and John McCain are attempting to do this now; to appeal to America’s basest senses of cultural intolerance, defining “American” and “middle class” in such culturally and racially exclusive terms, and the media has for the most part embraced these definitions.
But this is how white folks “keep it real,” by demanding that Rhodes Scholars tell folksy stories to hide their intellect, by rewarding New England blue bloods for wearing cowboy hats and talking in affected southern accents, by punishing C students as elite because they ordered Swiss on a cheesesteak. Prioritizing cultural norms at the expense of a substantive debate is no less a hustle for Clinton and McCain than it was for Marion Barry.
If there’s a lesson working class white folks can learn from the black community, it’s that these people are hustlers, and just because they look, talk, or act like you, doesn’t mean they will do a thing for you.
It bears mentioning that any sociologist or historian will tell you Obama is factually correct. There is a reason the Ku Klux Klan’s rise and rebirth occurred during the two most economically depressed moments in the history of the American South, Reconstruction and the Great Depression. There is a reason radical Islam appeals to the destitute, and there is a reason Louis Farrakhan and Chuck Colson find so many converts in prison.
Not that it matters, this is not an issue America is ready to confront itself on, and Obama has already asked much of the United States. He should know how to play the game better than this. And if he doesn’t begin to play better, he will lose.
but if that’s ho you wanna win…
Question: why doesn’t your idol have the balls to use his middle name; you same to be fine adopting it; why would he get all offended and shocked when anyone else does? Kind of coward wouldn’t you say?
you “seem to be”
way to digress to the name strawman…valiant effort though…
Manamongst Hussein: You intellectual depth amazes me…
Dang Andy, you are sounding more like your Elitist leader every single post, so here will give you something you might understand that is simple and short:
F*ck Off!
I think he was being condescending…
Yawwwwwwwwwwn.
Obama is a Harvard legacy. His grandma a Bank President. His step dada a military officer and Shell oil manager.
pull the other one. The press will eventually point out that he came from a nice enough background.
sir or mam, when you hurl the term racist, please go look in the mirror. i for one am a human being. my “color” is none of your business. so don’t include me in your “white folks” terminology.
i also don’t appreciate any one group including both whites and blacks thinking or acting like they are “special” or entitled. you aren’t special or entitled.
TAYLOR BRANCH,
No one is asking him to apologize for BEING elite (and he was NOT raised by a single parent, as you well know), but for someone as supposedly brilliant as he is to use the words he used and then say he didn’t mean them is disingenuous AT best. I’m gurssing most working people other than his fans find his remarks incredibly condescending, myself included. I don’t have much interest in God OR guns, but those I know who do don’t associate them with political opinions.
Obama hasn’t got a CLUE about our lives, and apparently doesn’t give a rate’s ass, either.Doesn’t even pretend to. THAT is why we don’t vote for him. And Michelle is even worse - not a person I’d want to hold up as a role model to my daughter. Hillary IS such a person.
I live in Denver and I know for a fact that the police here are preparing for major riots during the convention.
Hey, if you can’t win correctly, intimidate the voters–it worked for Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, many others…good heavens–why even bother with voting? That is so old fashioned. Just scare the bejesus out of everyone, accuse them of racism if the asshole isn’t nominated and riot.
Who needs to even think critically or put things into historical perspective. The fucking guy is black, that means he should be president!
Read this carefully Mary Jo…we love you…
“come to the light Carrie Ann”
reading is fundamental:
The way this works on a racial level cannot be ignored. Hillary’s supporters have worked for months to cast Obama as the recipient of some magical form of affirmative action, through proclaiming that his only appeal comes from his blackness and that Hillary “should be winning.” These further invoke the myth of the unqualified black masses stealing jobs from hardworking whites. The twist of the knife is in the subtext, which is simply, “this black guy thinks he’s better than you.” Whether this is deliberate or not is irrelevant, this is the emotional level at which this argument resonates.
Well, Manwanderinginthedarkness,
I’m sure your response made sense to you. All I can say is, Barack Obama doesn’t know shit from shinola when it comes to foreign policy, international relations, domestic policy or anything else about leading this country.
The bottom line is that he’s more radioactive than he was last month. He’s completely unelectable.
I’m not being elite I just assume you have reading comprehension skills, but gauging by your outrage…you haven’t bothered to understand ANYTHING.
Oh and how can I get in on all of those Obama policy meetings that you obviously sat in on. You will not be able to come up with one original foreign policy decision or even idea that Hillary has come up with EVER. All she does is calculate and then hate (see pakistan)…I mean if she would have taken the time to take advantage of the priveledge of being a Senator you could be saying that she at least read the NIE. I know many senators didn’t read it but she is The Hillary…ready on day ONE, she’s set herself appart from all others…right?
Well with that being said, on the radioactive subject; If Barrack is radioactive then he’s strontium-89 (53 days) to Hillary’s uranium-238, so if that’s your measure she should be electable in about 4,510,000,000 years
how long do you think he lived with grandma in Hawaii Mary Jo? grandma was tight anyway…
But the major point here is this…it’s ok for hillary to grow up rich and not a Barrack Obama?
read it again:
Hillary and McCain’s attempts to cast Obama as “elite” is a classic example of what Taylor Branch called the “inversion of history,” wherein the privileged become the oppressed. Obama was raised in a single parent working class home and despite his recent success, you don’t get much more elite than earning 16 million a year from making speeches and a family of high level military officials.
He spent HS in Hawaii…he can’t even have that in your eyes can he?
so it’s ok to be priviledged if you’re white huh?
Obama went to private school. He stayed with his grandparents by choice. Probably because they had the money. His grandmother was a Vice Pres. of a Bank. He didn’t want for anything. You are being bamboozled.
No bamboozelment here…not even hoodwinkery or leadin astray. Wouldn’t you stay with grandma in Hawaii as opposed to the straight roads and wonderful winters of Kansas…
That my dear lady is a no brainer..grandma could be a broke catlady with 60 cats in a mobile home and I’d BE THERE.
don’t hate…it’s a bad look on you
get Bitter.
Fucking Kansas? Kansas wasn’t even an option.
You see, when Little Lord Obama was prepping for all of his foriegn policy experience in Indonesia, he became rather bored and asked to return to the states. Hence, he returned to live with his grandparents.
He attended one of the most prestigious schools in the country…Punahou.
WTF is wrong with you people? Why do you feel it’s necessary to change the facts in order to accomodate the Obama illusion?
Petty insults and bullshit stories is all you people have, isn’t it? How sad is that?
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn.
If you’re attempting to convince more voters to support Barak Obama in November, you’re FAILING.
All you’re doing is driving more voters away.
Barak thanks you. So does John McCain.
Plus, Hillary did NOT grow up rich. Get a clue.
You seem to have a definition for elitism that doesn’t hold water.
The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
way to address the meat of the article…if that’s the best you can quibble about then what’s your point…?
Obviously you’re affluent…or too brainwashed to be bitter.
wake up maw maw
yeah, and his typical white person grandmother worked very hard to give ole thankless barry an elite education. you do remember her don’t you. the one he threw under the bus.
You are as worn out with the single mom lie as I am. I heard it on 3 different MSM yesterday. Fact is they are not all even meaning to lie - pathetically - they are that ill informed.
I’ve actually wondered if we could threaten them with a Class Action Law Suit - on this one item - for public misinformation or misrepresentation - do you know?
To the Ikea haters:
In his faded coat, tinted prescription glasses and scuffed shoes, he looks like just another pensioner scraping by on a tight budget.
But the man pictured here is Ingvar Kamprad, the reclusive Swedish founder of Ikea. And he is worth £15.7billion.
That makes him the world’s seventh richest man, but the 81-year-old admits he is still “a bit tight” with money.
He takes easyJet flights, drives himself around in a 15-year-old Volvo, and has furnished his modest house almost entirely with Ikea items - which he assembled himself.
Take that Walmart!
The IKEA owner is a former fascist.
it’s an interesting story.
former’s better than present…besides with Bush & Co. what’s a fascist now anyway?
should have said “former” fascist
you did…
note the “”.
I hate Walmart AND Ikea.
get the hell out of here manamongst the toilet of obama…go get a job with the magic negroe’s campaign. go door to door amongst the corncob-smokin,banjo-strokin,chicken-chokin,cousin-pokin,gun-totin, bible thumpin, hillbilly racist morons that dont support your boy. hope you dont knock on the wrong door out there in small town america,i will pray for you…..i hope the blacks riot, i am sick and tired of walking on egg shells around them and when the super-delegates grow some gonads back, hillary will be nominated.
wow…don’t walk around egg shells with me…and by all means be a rascist around all your co-workers or whatever. And way to address the issues..apparently I touched a nerve.
I hope this doesn’t either:
Senator Obama”s Magic Number ” 93 of 304 remaining superdelegates needed, or 30.6%
Senator Clinton”s Magic Number ” 230 of 304 remaining superdelegates needed, or 75.7%
The Huckabee Index ” 74 (or 24.3% of remaining superdelegates needed)
The “Huckabee Index” is the number of any combination of superdelegates and convention/caucus delegates that the Obama campaign needs (or the Clinton campaign loses) to make it mathematically impossible for the Clinton campaign to win the nomination, based on current delegate count and polls for upcoming contests. (Disclaimer: This is meant to poke fun at Mike Huckabee, not Hillary Clinton)
Besides Bukskin, Larry said I could stay…so ahhhhaa!! you get childish I can be childish too…
I still Love you my Brother!!
I’m sure Dr. Ron Paul misses you too dogwhistle boy…lol, go hide somewhere…SC primary was months ago!
i agree. you need to take your inane racist bull somewhere else. there must be an obama campaign office near you. take all that self righteous bull and go do something really useful for your candidate. you aren’t serving his interests here.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Hey Uppity that is contagous…
What I keep saying to myself as I watch BO trying to backpedal is a term I first saw here: WORM (What Obama Really Meant). I just heard him saying that he didn’t say it exactly right, that he didn’t word it right. Does no one in MSM see the irony in that? His whole campaign is built on “Words” mattering so much, yet he can’t seem to form his thoughts correctly? What a bunch of b.s.! I’m so eager for the Pennsylvania primary.
Well that would be a profound post of yours if he hadn’t have said it better in 2004, valiant effort, thanks for playing sweetie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJut4-dHuV8
sweetie: ???
Barffff . The kebler elf, Manamongst Hussein, keeps making troll bisquits after his fearful leader BO said Bisquits are Bitter.
Bless you bukskin711
I keep thinking that all of Obama and his surrogates’ race-baiting is undo whatever progress we’ve made in race relations. It’s already deepening the divide.
Mr Hope is such a dope.
Already…?
Mary sweetie…come on lets be real here…you really didn’t read that post that I left or the part i reposted for you..in case you had an extremely short attention span..did ya? Didn’t think so. Do you even know what “race-baiting” is…I know you have black friends..because under all the latent, harmless willful ignorance I’m sure you have a good heart.
The term “race baiting” is often a critique of anti-racist actions and communications implying that those who criticize apparent racism are themselves guilty of either a form of racism or of simple manipulation.
But seriously Mary Jo the crux of my argument in the post that clearly didn’t read was…Obviously there are politicians who use the race card(the term I think you meant to use)to gain and keep power. Race relations are not going backwards yet…Both races have our hustlers and we have our lowest common denominators as well that keep voting for them on the white and black side. We have seen the light on this hustle so don’t insult our intelligence thinking we can’t a hustler…Kilpatrick will never get elected again…and Marion..well we were still in the wilderness then.
If there’s a lesson working class white folks can learn from the black community, it’s that these people are hustlers, and just because they look, talk, or act like you, doesn’t mean they will do a thing for you.
Maybe the AA community should heed those words as well - Obama isn’t interested in doing anything for anyone but himself - he’s bored in the Senate and can’t seem to do ANY job without looking for something better. No thanks - I wan’t a Fightin’ Dem, not a Unity pony, which equals capitulation to the right anytime he thinks there might be something in it for him.
yup, i keep thinking how a self involved would be charlatan set back race relations by decades and insured a minority would not be elected president for a generation. heck of a job, barry!
I liked this definition from wiki:
The “snobs” designated the group of boys who were not “nobs”, the nobility, those who carried the designation “Hon.” before their names if they did not actually carry a courtesy title. The “snobs” were those who, sine nobilitate—the former etymology ran— (”without a title to nobility”),
Yes indeed. There’s certainly not anything noble about Mr. Obama.
“Let them eat arugula”!
Is there a group of people Obama hasn’t offended yet by steriotyping then in a condescending way?
I’ve still got several stuck to me, typical white person, bitter small towner, clinging to guns and religion. Black people feeding their kids Popeye’s fried chicken for breakfast. From Rev Wright, Italians with their garlic noses. Periodcially feeling down to boost her appeal. The claws come out.
And now he mocks Annie Oakley?? A remarkable woman. Her and her husband paid to raise and educate 19 young women.
Near as I can tell, Obama only represents Obama.
if you such the hillary lover then it would be complimenting Aniie Oakley wouldn’t it…or is it just me?
it’s just you!
but, manamongst loving snobama….you forget about florida and michigan and trust me they will be seated and we all know your little boy didnt win there. and the reason they will be seated, is because of there constitutional right to vote and have that vote counted, which supercedes any and all states rules and laws. but nice try….it is not me that you are striking out at, it is your raw nerve that i hit…..want to take a vote in here, big mouth ? you may think that you are intellectually superior, but you are just another obama,full of shit, pleaes go back to your toilet of lies. obama is exposed, it wont be long now, bye bye ….
“obama is exposed, it wont be long now”
It’s not always fun to be held up for ridicule…but we can all learn lessons in life
I’m not intellectually superior…so you can kill that little straw man…I mean I’m sure I’m taller than you…but that’s neither here nor there. As for FL and MI, I could care less. That’s like those semi-homeless guys going to the street begging for 15$ to catch a bus home that costs 60$ (digression: and we thought they would use it for more crack…didn’t we…lol). but it’s funny how no one cared about the rules being broke until it affected them. There are consequences in life and I’m not going to sit here and say were it reversed Obama wouldn’t be doing the same thing…because I’m quite certain he would. But the devil is in the details, but chances are if you’re a Hillary fan and in this situation, pretty much none of you cared enough about the details…but guess who did (see 50 state strategy and caucuses)?
And I’m sorry but I see a saddening trend with you guys hopes and all…with the “it won’t be long now” meme, I have two words for that “Friedman Units” When all that is going bad it’s only natural to think better luck is around the corner but do put it out there via comments..it’s ok to think it to yourself. You only lose credibility when the vast majority of America see’s no “there” in your “there”.
On the real bukskin711, you can count it to yourself personally…how many times and on how many, let’s just say for your benefit, “On-going” BO skeletons are you waiting for to strike oil?
Just stop it, and all you other Obama outrage Friedman Uniters and Journalistic Necrophiliacs are just embarassing yourself. Do you know how History will judge you? Goldwater is still in the mouths of punditry, as will be “Tourture” and “Obama Outrage Friedman Uniters” and “Journalistic Necrophiliacs”
wow…troll on fire…”it was like the rim was a big ole whoola hoop”
I’ll take a break and let the Jim Jones crowd pile on irrationally…and from now on (mary Jo and others) you’ll have to coherently address issues for me to waste time with you…I’ve neglected my wonkish duties screwing around with you hardheads.
As for FL and MI, I could care less.
This guy is Andy Capp IRL.
Yes, Reverse Racism Does Exist
I’ve only recently become acquainted with the work of Damali Ayo. She created the satirical book “How to Rent a Negro” and the accompanying website. And she also put together I Can Fix It, which is a guidebook discussing five things that individuals can do to combat racism. It has five steps for white folks, and five steps for black folks. I agree with almost everything that she says in that guidebook.
Almost.
The one thing I must take issue with is her contention that reverse racism is an impossibility. Part of the basis for her statement is that she defines racism as prejudice + power. Now, I’ve not seen any in-depth explanations from her, laying out that because black people (or people of color generally) lack power, it is impossibile for them to be racist. Logically, though, that would have to be the basis for claiming that reverse racism is impossible.
Here’s the thing, though: it’s not only possible, it happens. Take a look at any metropolitan area where the electorate is majority-black. You are almost certain to see a black mayor and a city council that is majority-black, if not entirely black. You will very likely see a majority-black school board, possibly a black district attorney, et cetera. I am NOT saying that electing black political leaders over white ones is, in itself, racist. What I AM saying, however, is that where you see local leadership structures that are populated by a majority of black politicians and officials, you see black people wielding the kind of power that, according to Ms. Ayo’s definition, makes racism possible.
Now, as for reverse racism actually happening, I present to you the example of Eddie Jordan, the recently-departed District Attorney of Orleans Parish. When Jordan took office in 2002, he systematically fired white employees and replaced them with black applicants. While it’s not at all uncommon for politicians to clean house and install loyalists, a federal jury of eight white and two black jurors unanimously found that Jordan, who is black, fired 43 employees — all white but for one Hispanic — because of their race. Of 56 total dismissals, 53 of the employees were white. Within six months of his administration, Jordan had hired 68 people, 92 percent of them African-American.
That discrimination suit resulted in a $3.7 million dollar verdict against the DA’s office. The DA’s office lacked the money to pay, and the city and the state refused to pay. The last thing I heard was that some kind of settlement negotiations were under way, the general thrust of which would be a partial up-front payment to the plaintiffs, with additional sums to be paid out over time (most likely a smaller total amount than the $3.7 million).
If a white politician came into office, fired a group of employees who were almost all black, and replaced them with almost all white people, would anyone doubt that racism was being practiced? Logically, I can’t see any way not to reach that conclusion. Taking that as a given, there’s just no basis to say that what Jordan did was not a case of reverse racism at work.
I’ll close with a smaller, and more personal example. I’ve written before about being one of roughly ten white kids in a school with 1,100 black students. Numerically, the black students at that school had what can only be described as power. And they used it, or at least some of them did, even going so far as to impose segregated water fountains (with the broken ones going to the white kids). Racial slurs were an everyday thing. Racial violence almost as much so.
Again, if the white students of a school that had only a handful of black students took it upon themselves to segregate the water fountains, routinely hurled racial insults at the black students, and physically assaulted the black students, no one would hesitate to call that racism. The same is true in reverse.
It doesn’t advance the cause of racial reconcilliation to pretend that people of color are incapable of being racist. True reconcilliation has to be based upon honesty, and upon an accurate understanding of the facts at hand. Anything else is inauthentic, and, in the end, completely useless.
[...] No good can come from the unholy union of Michelle Malkin and Larry Johnson. [...]
None…absolutely none.
Pajamas Media? What’s a Pajamas media snipe doing pimping Barry? Just askin’.
Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwn.
Post Bittergate, Obama holds strong - Leads by 10%
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Barack Obama, who has come under attack by his presidential rivals for describing small-town voters as “bitter,” seems to be weathering the storm to this point as far as voters are concerned. He maintains a 10 percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, 50% to 40%, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx
Personally..I root for whichever one of the Democrat candidates seems to be down in the polls for the moment.
I want to see the civil war go on and on..
Watching the liberal all confused and dsitressed..undecided upon which liberal Democrat to whore for.. has been a joy!
but then.. I’m a McCain supporters.
Face it losers… both of your candidates are damaged goods…and neither was EVER a decent candidate for President.
Either one would now lose to McCain in November.
Barack Obama said Friday that many working-class Americans are angry and bitter over economic inequalities.
maybe he can pull a few strings and get us all a 160% raise like he did for his wife.($121,910 to $316,962). Better still, just tell us HOW to get a job like that without any prior experience (seems to be a family trait, getting high paying jobs with no experience).
Well you have to know the Board of Trustees at the place or the Board of Directors, and then your partner has to be their servent in a politial place where they can get away with legislation that benfits them!
You know, like Rev Wright says on the loops all the time, “them whities atop Corporate Amerikkka”!
I know!!! I love it, Hillary is doing all our work for us. McCain just needs to move in afterwards and kick the corpse a bit. The guy ahead in the nomination is getting smeared by his own party, lol, dimocrats.
If he gets the nom and loses it’s ALL ON HIM. He will have to take responsibility for his own campaign then, and Mr. Pouty Face Whiny pants won’t be able to cry to the MSM that the nasty old Republicans are being mean to them - he is writing their ads for them. Poor little Barack, just can’t hack a REAL campaign. Won’t even be reelected to his Senate seat, if he even runs, which he won’t because Michelle will want a new fur coat by the, so he’ll have to write another maudlin book and hope for the best.
Byebye
who the heck cares, I can not believe in this, what looked to be the bleakest election in recent memory for Republicans, a Clinton comes through once more and give us the nation again. always out for themselves, Bily and now Hilly, lol, dimocrats.
McCAIN 08!!
Trolls are ugly people. Don’t have to SEE them to know that.
Hey everybody has to make a “living” I guess.
not dimocrats, they want everyone else to look after them….
McCAIN 08!!
The image you are using is insulting and offensive. This is a presidential election race–it should NOT be a “hate fest”. Please take that image down. You may disagree with Senator Obama–there is no need to portray him in such an ugly way.
Wow. I can’t believe these comments or this post. You’re calling a guy who grew up with one parent and worked at a fast food restaurant and went to school on scholarship elitist? I’ll tell you what’s elitist. Passing trade deals that cost hundreds of thousands of jobs. Taking money from a foreign government to lobby for free trade when your spouse is “supposedly” against it. Hiring a LOBBYIST as your top campaign strategist.
An Interesting Alliance has formed between Clintonites, the Talk Radio Right and the Conservative Elite. These parties and their wingnut footsoldiers form an Axis.
All speak the same talking points and share a similar goal. These days it can be virtually impossible to distinguish a Red State Wingnut from a Clintonite by their respective use of rhetoric when reading the comment boards on the internets (such as here). Since these groups have combined forces, maybe there is a new group of people who qualify to be labeled as wingnuts. Perhaps they are all wingnuts now.
Right now, we have a new name for this alliance of Clintonites, Talk Radio Wingnut Warriors and Conserva-gensia.
The Big Three are now named:
THE AXIS of the INCOHERENT.
I think the abundance of trolling here tonight is highly indicative of the panic setting in among Obama’s campaign and supporters. There is no point–no point at all–in attempting to reason with people who hate without intellectual capacity. From now on any white person who thinks the BI-RACIAL Barack Obama is inexperienced and woefully lacking in basic maturity will be labeled a racist. That’s it, and we better get used to it, because no other reason will explain our failing to understand Obama’s brilliance and humility and leadership qualities.
There comes a point when even the most saintly among us have had enough. I am sadly awaiting that unfortunate moment when someone is accused of being a racist and answers “So what?” Then we will well and truly know what a tragedy Obama has wrought.
great comment, miriam. thank you for the sanity of saying so and on a different post. tonight, the trolls’ heads are spinning and pea soup is flying from their mouths.
one of the gifts brought to us by barack…
actually no, Larry’s agreement with Michelle Malkin is what brought me here to check things out. Keep destroying yourselves dimwits, and then not even realize your self-destruction…beautiful!
McCAIN 08!!!