Hillary’s Reviews Are In: ‘The Winner,’ ‘Strong Presence,’ ‘In Her Element’
By SusanUnPC on April 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Pennsylvania
Via campaign press release — I’ll add the links later:
Hillary dominates Philadelphia focus group. “NYDIA HAN: The real take away is this. We now know who won the debate according to our focus group. Take a look. Senator Clinton is the debate winner, at least according to our focus group. 23% believe Senator Obama won while 50% believed Senator Clinton won.” [WPVI Post-Debate Analysis, 4/16/08]
ABC News’ Rick Klein – ‘Clinton is back to the strong presence we saw early in the cycle.’ [ABC News Political Radar, 4/16/08]
NBC News’ Chuck Todd – Obama ‘did not have a good night.’ [MSNBC Post-Debate Analysis, 4/16/08]
NBC News’ Chuck Todd—Obama’s answer on Ayers and the flag ‘were simply weak.’ “His answer on Ayers and the flag question were simply weak; He seemed unprepared for them; Kinda surprising because he normally has a decent rant against “old politics” and yet “old politics” questions seemed to stump him.” [NBC First Read, 4/16/08]
The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder – [T]here’s no way Obama could fared worse. [The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder, 4/16/08]
Washington Post’ Chris Cillizza— Obama ‘struggled quite a bit’ when asked about Rev. Wright. “…He struggled quite a bit more when asked to answer for Wright, his former pastor.” [Washington Post, The Fix, 4/16/08]
New York Times’ Katharine Seeyle: Hillary’s ‘in her element as she goes into details.’ “She’s becoming expansive, seemingly in her element as she goes into details; Mr. Obama does not look as thrilled to be still standing there.” [New York Times, The Caucus, 4/16/08]
Talking Points Memo’s Josh Marshall – Hillary ‘certainly seems more self-assured.’ “She certainly seems more self-assured on the Iran question than Obama did. The question of extending an American security umbrella to Israel is very dicey. And he could clearly see he was on delicate territory.” [Talking Points Memo, 4/16/08]
Philadelphia Inquirer blog – ‘Obama is again less certain, and rambles a bit.’ “Obama is again less certain, and rambles a bit when asked about the Washington D.C. gun ban. Gibson asks him to deny that he has ever advocated a complete ban on hand guns in 1996. Obama says no. But whatever the truth, no other answer is possible.” [Philadelphia Inquirer Blog, 4/16/08]
NBC News’ Matthew Berger – Obama ‘tried to have it both ways’ with Israel. “Obama’s answer on an Iranian attack on Israel tried to seem to have it both ways: highlight his support for Israel but not lock him into treating an attack on Israel like an attack on the U.S. But it may have looked more like a no because it wasn’t a firm yes. Clinton’s answer seemed more direct.” [NBC First Read, 4/16/08]
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Youngsters were visiting the house, we were away for most of the debate, what was seen could not really be heard much.
What did I miss?
You got to miss Obama dribbling and dodging.
Hillary gave comprehensive answers while Barack fumbled at least 4 different times while his answers bordered on babbling. I was so pleased with this debate. The moderators were actually impartial and seemingly unbiased. Hillary answers flowed quickly while Barack’s anwers sputtered a few times. At times his answers were lengthy, but he didn’t say anything. That tells me that he didn’t have an answer or he didn’t know what he was talking about. Thanks ABC. I know that you are taking heat from thousands of angry emailers, but I know you did a good job. I appreciate it!
Mostly the camera side shots of BO looking at Hillary with venonom, the “typical” remark with a twist, He revearse the flag but, has Hamas on his church website. I will call it “The Flag Pin Affair”
Like something out the BBC series “Spooks”.
The first line of the screenplay starts with.
“I was 8 years old when Ayers did those things.”
But when I got to Chicago I was told to look him up.”
Vetting standards. eh? “Obama made a funny”. Betty Boob, giggles.
venonom, as apposed to venom, which is typo as deadly.
I would love to know WHO told him to look Ayers up. Really. Whose advice did he follow when he made a conscious decision to form a long assiciation with this terrorist? I thought they just happened to be on the same board and just happened to work at the same university. But, Obama apparently sought Mr. Ayers out and cultivated that relationship. Why?
Because I live blogged this thing I mainly listened. But when I looked at the television I was amazed at how upset Obama looked. He seemed really taken aback that anyone would dare to actually ask him questions.
Hillary won this one. And she won it BIG!
Taken aback, Obama was pissed his ears were redder than the curtains behind him!
Obama never smiled after the first question forward tonight
Oh just Leave Barry Alone!
Ya know, they have a Debbie Harry thing going with the hair there, c.1978, kinda like a skunk.
I like it.
Mr. Murder, you missed truth in media and in candiates being forced to be shown tonight, well moreso truth from Clinton and same old lies from Obama, it was like watching an 8 yr old against a 28 yr old and the immaturity showed through big time!
One polished and knowledgeable and direct on issues, one was a ton of ummmmmm’s and uhhhhh’s and dead air space!
Sorry to quote myself, but I published an article and stated something very apropos to Obama’s stunning defeat in tonight’s debate:
Regarding Obama’s naiveté…
And I’ll add now:
And Hillary is riding a racing bike!
For a boxing match analogy, Hillary was the attacker who threw a couple of good upper cuts that dazed Barack, while Barack was the dodger who danced around the ring. Although I can’t say Hillary knocked him out with a K/O, she beat him silly and won the match with a unanimous decision.
The new world champion… Hillary Clinton in 4 rounds!
But in the final statement, he was one of those boxers who hold on, but on the side away from the ref so he can’t see. Same old lines about pac money, lobbyists, special interests that are totally untrue. But he said it only when there was no possibility of rebuttal.
He did actually look dizzy under the klieg lights. Obama was doing the saved by the bell routine. …
sen Obama (Apollo) is asking …”what happened?” What round is it?
sen.Clinton (Rocky) “Let me at him”.
You ROCK, Claude!!
Great! I just got home…I’m grabbing a bottle of wine and watching the west-coast tape delay. Thanks for the prevues!!
When you take away the script, Obama can’t seem to speak. It indicates to me a shallowness of thought.
Not to prepare better is a fundamental laziness that is not inspiring in a presidential candidate. If he were a football team, he’d be guilty of looking beyond a wild card game to the super bowl. The questions asked were almost too good to be true. But for his staff not to prepare him better is sinful. For it not to occur to anyone in their wildest imagination that eventually he would have to answer some tough (or rather, any) questions shows a disregard for the process and his belief that rather than “earn” a nomination, he could merely game his way into it. Thank you ABC for a rare and awesome look at the weakness of the man.
beebop, i missed the debate (nba was on and i figured i could check out what happened here, guess i have priority issues). but i’m not surprised about your observation of fundamental laziness. reminds me of an article i read somewhere about his time (brief though it was) in the senate. seems he found the actual work boring. if he gets the white house, i’m sure he won’t be interested in that work either, just the credit.
and in illinois he pretty much did nothing ’til he got someone to get his name on a bunch of other people’s bills the last year. whole career built on claiming credit for other people’s work.
the impression of laziness comes through loud and clear - he doesn’t really want to DO the job of president, just wants to GET the job and the perks. he doesn’t really want to have to study the issues and understand them for, like, debates and stuff, just wants to go there and agree with hillary’s positions but pretend he thought of them.
having recently retired from a long career where i encountered a lot of lazy credit stealing types (along with a lot of good people too), i recognize them quickly, as i’m sure all hillary supporters do. the obamakids, however, don’t have the experience to spot them.
Great comment. Loved the info on Obama stealing other people hard work in the Ill state senate!!!
i wondered the same thing. i honestly believe he didn’t think they would put a glove on him, hence he didn’t prepare.
i wonder if he thinks turning the obamabots loose will help. naw, barry, in the long run it will aid your downfall.
Where are fleaflicker’s debate commentary? Was it one of those boxes that disappear?
The thread of his live-blogging got very long. Frankly, I’m afraid to open it myself. We perhaps should close it to comments.
Keith O will not allow Chuck Todd on his show, I wish the gotcha questions didn’t take so much time, but it was a part where Obama began looking weak. on another point, I was surprised at how aggressive HRC was about removing troops, & so quickly; would she hit any obstacles from rethuglican senators, like l. grahm & the texas senator warmongers.
The Kool Aid drinkers have him him winning 5k to her 2k on the ABC site! They will do and say anything. Little zombies. I am coming, master……..
http://abcnews.go.com/
Like I told you, they all vote thirty times. I never even bother with those unscientific polls.
hey, hey,
l.j.
i got the first poll out:
the person who kidnapped josh marshall - revealed now as ARACHNE huffington, who stung him and spun him and turned him into a journalistic zombie -
says:
[ I guess I'm not the only one that thought this debate was unmitigated travesty.]
interpretation:
josh the zombie journalist’s candidate did not do so well this evening.
gosh, josh,
i’m so sorry.
my GAL did fine.
I hear Xanax bottles cracking open.
She toasted him.
He toasted Auchi…several times.
Very good! Very good indeed!
The OFB bloggers all had to scramble because their post-debate scripts (that they wrote ahead of time) all said how super-duper-magnificent Obama was tonight. But they couldn’t use the scripts after Hillary beat the arugala out of Barry.
So they dialed Whine-1-1 for a waah-mbulance.
There is no doubt in my mind who the winner is and if this were a job interview, Hillary would win it, hands down. Olbermann and others are pissed at the moderators, at ABC and Hillary because they made their chosen one look awful. Boo Hoo! Olbermann did not complain when the media crucified Hillary. I remember Russert looked as if he was out for her blood in one of the debates. MSNBC was the worst. At least, this was equally brutal and balanced.
Love it! “ABC News, equally brutal and balanced…”
My lady kicked ass!
She is so damn good. Competent, confident, self-assured, a master of the issues.
Vote who won the debate
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2137
You can delete cookies and revote again. Obama folks are doing that and increasing his votes.
It won’t fix PA for him.
all over the net he has people paid to to it.
On taxes he shoulda gone to commercial.
“You can’t get something for nothing.” Obama said.
He must of heard Rezko tell him that when OB asked him to help buy his house. Or write a letter of recommendation for Rezko’s failed housing …
Hillary said “Well, I just wish the Republicans would apologize for the last eight years of BUsh and Cheney, and not run anyone…”
Obama had no sense of humor all night. Angry and unfriendly.
Well he was so used to thinking he was getting a free ride. I love when he goes fetal.
I loved the lighting on him while hes in Hillarys background shots. He looks angry ala Malcolm X.
Every response begins with UM……
uhm, how do y’all think all those clingy, bitter, small town Americans are going to cotton to Obama saying that his daughters will breeze into a good college but we still need affirmative action for poor white kids? My, my, he knows how to win votes!
I will add this to my list of disenfranchised people. It’s getting sooooooo long.
did he say that? darn, those obamas are really clueless. talk about new rich!
Indeed, they exemplify parvenu.
Thanks ABC for the first fair debate! I was hoping Charles Gibson would become a jouranlist again! About damn time somebody asked that fool Barack some questions!
Maybe the bitter folk who get their info from the MSM will actually ask themselves what the hell? How come they didn’t tell me this before?
Now, the trick is to keep all this up front until all the primaries are over. We have got to congratulate Gibson and Stephanopoulus (?) and ask them to continue what they started and get this info out there.
I e-mailed Gibson and will hand write letters tomorrow to both of tonight’s moderators.
What a great night!
Tomorrow the “story” will be that Obama “won” the debate overwhelmingly in the phony-as-hell online poll, and the talking heads will have figured out a way to spin this into an Obama win. They can’t do it tonight because they just don’t think all that fast. Given a night to talk amongst themselves, they’ll come up with something though. Just watch.
I copied this and put it in my CM Hillary Group.. One of the members were a little upset about the negative Hillary stuff..
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HILLARY SAYS OBAMA CAN BEAT MCCAIN.
No kidding.
If that undecided live debate response graph was any indicator, I noticed the more Hillary was passionated about a topic, the higher her score (at times it even reached 100% — especially with education issues). When she hesistated, the score dipped.
It appears the audience prefers Hillary to hit the podium and be direct. They like her fighting.
Think voters don’t want another tiptoe-thru-the-tulip candidate, but one that can get knocked out, get back up, and deliver a roadhouse punch later.
The voters want blood!
Folks - call ABC - let them know we appreciate their FINALLY asking the Precious some tough questions
1-818-460-7477
The lady I spoke to seemed thankful to get a positive call.
The Obamabots are flooding with calls. They can’t take it when someone actually doesn’t kiss his arse.
from Sarah at Riverdaughters .. Thanks All…
Stop the presses: the “person who kidnapped Josh Marshall” (borrowed from Daily Howler) said something positive about Hillary!
Obama continued with his lies and deceit. He said he doesn’t take money from FEDERALLY REGISTERED lobbyists, but failed to mention that he does take money from all other lobbyists, lobbyist’s friends and families, and OIL lobbyists.
I find the deceit more insulting than the outright lies.
She kicked his ass. Nuff said. It could have been worse, she held back.
The problem with Obama isn’t that the emperor has no clothes.
The problem is that the clothes have no emperor.
Actually I didn’t think that ABC started fair. And I didn’t care. If Obama and his fans have their knickers all in a twist because he was hit hard and low then welcome to Hillary’s world.
But when they hit her, she just gets better. She takes lemons and makes lemonade. He appears all bitter and upset. Can’t take a punch.
If Obama fans had cared when The Obama Network, formerly known as NBC and its cable cartoon network known as MSNBC, was completely unfair to Hillary Clinton I might be sympathetic. I might even be upset that the media is inserting itself into the process in a way I find frightening.
We need to have informative debates that focus on issues. Gotchas are simply not very important IMO.
I’ll be upset when Obama gets blindsided when Obamans are upset when the same happens to Senator Clinton. Until then, I am afraid I am not a good person and am wholeheartedly enjoying schadenfreude.
>>> I am afraid I am not a good person and am wholeheartedly enjoying schadenfreude.
But, such a tasty dish, isn’t it?
I’d prefer mine with a light, dry Cheney at Leavenworth; perhaps a 2010 Bush in the Dock at the Hague…but I fear that Al might show up.
Oh Fred, you’re not a “good” person either. Bless your heart.
I agree 110% with your choice of beverage. I have them on my wine list too.
Click here to watch Obama say he’s a pretty darned good politician.
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/16/obama-i-am-pretty-darned-good-politician/
I’ve been watching c-span this am and noticed that 90% of the callers were pro-obama and very anti-clinton. I tried to call in to tell them to check the blogs to see who really won, but couldn’t get in. Do you think c-span pro-screens the calls? I’m a devout Hillary supporter and get angry when I see the “supposed neutral” c-span favoring obama. I’ve been reading the blogs here for weeks and love the site. Thank you.
myiq2xu (6:27)
you wouldn’t be talkin’ empty suit, would you?
Picking your polls again eh….
DRUDGE POLL
WHO WON THE DEM DEBATE IN PA?…
HILLARY CLINTON
41% 49,286
BARACK OBAMA
59% 70,001
Total Votes: 119,287
ABC NEWS POLL
Who won the Democratic debate?
Sen. Barack Obama
28,838
Sen. Hillary Clinton
10,454
It was a tie
3,455
Total Vote: 42,747
CBS NEWS POLL
Who won the Democratic debate in Philadelphia Wednesday night?
Hillary Clinton:
21.25%
Barack Obama :
78.75%
MSNBC NEWS POLL
Who won the debate?
* 48396 responses
Hillary Clinton won. 27%
Barack Obama won. 56%
Neither won 17%
I’d like to see ALL the links to these “supposed” polls because that’s NOT what I’m reading and hearing.
If Obama won the debate why is whining so much???
I agree with Melissa (see above)when she wrote:
Thanks ABC for the first fair debate! I was hoping Charles Gibson would become a jouranlist again! About damn time somebody asked that fool Barack some questions!
Maybe the bitter folk who get their info from the MSM will actually ask themselves what the hell? How come they didn’t tell me this before?
Now, the trick is to keep all this up front until all the primaries are over. We have got to congratulate Gibson and Stephanopoulus (?) and ask them to continue what they started and get this info out there.
I e-mailed Gibson and will hand write letters tomorrow to both of tonight’s moderators.
What a great night!Go Hillary!!!
There is absolutely no reason to confuse the ABC yakkers, or any MSM yakkers, with journalists, they’re not.
What was different about this debate which was unfriendly to both Obama and Clinton is that she was able to handle it in splendid fashion and he was not.
We all knew that the media would come down like this on the nominee but they showed their hand early. Protecting Obama is a disservice to him.
Hillary has proved she has class, wit, intelligence and knowledge. She’s a real candidate who can win and win big!
true Kate
she can do it with OUT being babysat or having to be brought up to speed
plus she won’t need speech lessons in order to stop making anal UGHS and AHHS and Umms
She came thru with flying colors…I damn near finished off that entire bottle of wine in celebration!
I had to keep asking my husband “Is it just me, or is his mouth pursed tighter than our cat’s butt??”
Hillary excelled in all categories, indeed, her COMMAND of every topic left The Emperor sans vestments.