Obama Invokes Jay-Z: “Stab the Ladies…Middle Finga To The Law”
By Laluchasigue on April 18, 2008 at 4:35 PM in ABC News, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, George Stephanopoulos, Hillary Clinton, Hoodwinking, Jay-Z, Nadhmi Auchi, Pennsylvania, Tony Rezko
A whole lot of fuss has been made about Obama’s possible flipping of the middle finger to Hillary in response to his treatment during Wednesday’s debate as something less than Baby Jesus. If he in fact intended to flip her off, his gesture marks a new low in a campaign that was supposedly predicated on high-mindedness.
Obama’s invocation of Jay-Z’s defiant “Dirt Off Your Shoulder” battle anthem during the same speech adds evidence to the claim that he gave Hillary the finger.
To see Obama brush his shoulders off, go to 2:25 of this video clip.
Obama’s gesture prompted a mash-up video that made the Jay-Z/Obama connection explicit. Ari Melber, the other Obamabot named Ari at The Nation, posted the video on The Nation’s website, noting, “Obama really is a Jay-Z fan, too. When asked which hip hop artists he likes in a recent interview, he said, ‘lately I’ve been listening to a lot of Jay-Z — this new American Gangster album.’”
Spencer Ackerman, another young white male media Obamaton, called Obama’s gesture “perhaps the coolest subliminal cultural reference in the history of American politics.”
So what is the hype about? What did Jay-Z actually say that captivated Barack Obama? Here is the hook and first verse to the new theme song of Obama ‘08:
[Chorus: Jay-Z]
If you feelin’ like a pimp nigga, go and brush your shoulders off
Ladies is pimps too, go and brush your shoulders off
Niggaz is crazy baby, don’t forget that boy told you
Get, that, dirt off your shoulder
[Verse One]
I probably owe it to y’all, probably to be locked by the force
Tryin to hustle some things, that go with the Porsche
Feelin no remorse, feelin like my hand was forced
Middle finger to the law, nigga grippin ma balls
Stab the ladies they love me, from the bleachers they screamin
All the ballers is bouncin, they like the way I be leanin
All the rappers be hatin, off the track that I’m makin
But all the hustlers they love it just to see one of us make it
Came from the bottom the bottom, to the Top of the Pops
Nigga London, Japan and I’m straight off the block
Like a running back, get it man, I’m straight off the block
I can run it back nigga cause I’m straight with the Roc
=
Obama hasn’t flipped a “middle finga to the law” but to Hillary instead (his godfather Tony Rezko and possible financial angel Nadmi Auchi were the ones flicking off the law). He got his clock cleaned in a debate about his closest associates, his domestic policy proposals and national security credentials, but after a quick, not-so-subliminal reference to Jay-Hova, Obama’s back to “feelin’ like a pimp.”
But don’t blame Obama if you don’t like his reaction. He’s never responsible. George Stephanopoulos and ABC forced him to behave like a wannabe American gangster.
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
“If he in fact intended to flip her off, his gesture marks a new low in a campaign that was supposedly predicated on high-mindedness.”
Too funny… you sub-conciously acknowledge the vacuuousness of this whole meme - then pick it up and try and advance the ball a little further.
Then you try and attempt a little psycho analysis and motive speculation based upon the words of a song that you believe Obama is directly referencing w/ the “brush it off” nonsense.
I’m tellin’ ya… you people are in rare form today. Be proud and keep it up.
US News and World Report:
‘ If Obama did this on purpose, it’s a sign of incredible immaturity. If he did it by accident, it’s a sign of inexperience. If a president were to make an accidental gesture like that while talking about a foreign leader, for example, it could cause a global uproar. ‘
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/04/18/obamas-wayward-finger.html
Put that up against MYDogDoo
You know, some people think rap was set up as a joke, to mock.
White boys don’t get out much, do they?
Well, you read it, and he got laughs, and it fits his style, and he’ll of course deny it. Seems to me he’s been hot under the collar since she answered a question he’d gotten first much better than he had. He seemed very unprepared, to debate. And now he says no more debates? He’s acting like a child, and if he didn’t flip her off and then take his bow, he sure seemed to enjoy his moment. He gives himself away, he waits for the audience reaction and then he acknowledges it. But maybe he was tired an his face was itchy, and maybe his campaign chose to put that one up for some other reason than to titillate his audience and drive speculation on Fox news. I’m sure there are no ad executives on his staff, and I’m nearly certain there isn’t going to be a Barack, the Movie, and he hasn’t been discussing who’ll play him either. It’s all very sincere, not scripted at all.
Surely you jest, Anna Shane. There is nothing that his manchild has done since he finished law school (as someone pointed out) that did not somehow advance his notion he deserved to be the first “black” president of these United.
Calculation and exquiste timing seem to be Barry’s strong suit. His delivery in the Raleigh video was calculated to pander to the black/white cultural divide. “Ain’t we cool; the ‘others’ jus don’t get it…we bad; we do what we want cuz no body stops us.”
No, in this climate of political correctness and lack of civility, try to stop him. He will scream racist! and run over you.
Hellavaway to elect the leader of our nation and free world.
It’s difficult to peruse the comments when I have to keep skipping these inane entries. Hey Larry, how long must we put up with certain people’s comments before these certain people are banned from the site?
It is unbelievable that there are videos of Obama saying the same speech in front of 2 separate audiences. At the same point in EACH speech, he takes his middle finger and pretends to scratch his nose. It is at the point where he says “Hillay is in her element”. I have seen this gesture before. The audience understands what he has done. They are in on the joke. Their response is inappropriate if they don’t get the gesture. Like I said, there are 2 separate videos with 2 separate audiences. The speech was pre written as they are identical. At the same point in each speech, he does the stupid gesture. the one video, from ABC news http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4675790&affil=wtae (there is also a You tube video of the ABC one) shows the best angle and in listening to it you get the irrefutable proof. The other video is very similar but not quite as obvious, but you get the point. The audience in that video are less in on the joke. Notice the different people in the audiences even though he has the same suit and tie on.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNO58WdUptUIt is best to use 2 laptops and watch bot at the same time. It is shocking that he would do something this stupid. Can you say Maccaca?
It’s Obama’s new campaign slogan.
Hakuna Makaka.
I love that song.
I was very confused by all the different camera angles, especially the mydd video vs. the others. There was some distance between Obama and the audience behind him, but I think they looked a lot closer on camera. Playing the videos at the same time in separate windows, however, the audio seemed to be the same so I think it was just the one event.
I HOPE YOU ARE SENDING THIS IN TO EVERY SINGLE NETWORK!!! I DIDN’T KNOW THERE WERE 2 DIFFERENT VIDEOS…THAT PRETTY MUCH SECURES IT - IT WAS INTENTIONAL - WOW, CAN THIS PLAYER GET ANY MORE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE? CAN OUR MEDIA GET ANY MORE BLIND? If there are 2 clips of him doing the SAME gesture in 2 different speeches - THAT IS BIG NEWS.
They are from the same event. The same man is sitting behind Obama. They are just different camera angles.
no, they are separate events. I played them on two laptops. Qued them up to the same point. They are different. The audience members behind him are different. make sure you are looking at the two diffewrent ones. Sometimes I have run into videos of the same speech from diferent angles. I want to know how many speeches Obama gave on that same day. I recently ran into a third video that is sort of chopped up but looks like he may have done 3 events. Is that possible???
to “alibe”
it is the same speech - different camera angles. and he had an itch. move on
This is definitely the same event on the two videos. Of course you see different audience members because the cameras are looking from two different angles, across the room from each other.
I have a hard time believing every “uhm” and pause, and all audience reactions could be “scripted” for two different events. Open the videos in different tabs on your browser, pause them at the same place, and then play both… Same speech, folks.
“If he in fact intended to flip her off, his gesture marks a new low in a campaign that was supposedly predicated on high-mindedness.”
Too funny… you sub-consciously acknowledge the vacuousness of this whole meme - then pick it up and try and advance the ball a little further.
Then you try and attempt a little psycho analysis and motive speculation based upon the words of a song that you believe Obama is directly referencing w/ the “brush it off” nonsense.
I’m tellin’ ya… you people are in rare form today. Be proud and keep it up.
You’ve been watching Jeopardy, haven’t you? Category: Eleven letter words that start with “V.” I saw that one, too!
Kevin– grow up and double-up on your meds. You obviously are too young, immature and/or naive to understand this article.
Kevin reminds me of what Will Rogers had to say about television - ” … neither rare nor well done.”
Eh, it keeps him off the streets and away from your hubcaps.
And we have to read the same entry TWICE? Please Larry, would you do something?
Kevin I see your working some over time. I don’t want to keep you away from your homework or soccer practice but you come here and rip Hillary and her supports so why don’t you tells us with specific examples why we should vote for Obama without referencing Clinton. Just stick to the facts and convince us why we should vote for him.
Are you up for it or are you taught not to think and form your own opinion.
Hurry now
Deke, I’ll give you the same chance as everyone else - you claim that I come here and rip Hillary… please cite an instance of doing so.
I do rip nonsense statements and accusations that are salacious, specious or just plain insane.
As I’ve stated here and on other sites, I’m not particulary enamored of either Dem candidate… so don’t expect me to tell you why you should vote for someone you’ve already decided not to… that would be a waste of time.
Kevin how was Soccer practice I see you learned some new words in English class. I all your postings are about attacking the posters on this site never once I have ever heard you make a argument for your candidate. You are dismissive of anyone who has an opinion counter to yours. I would like to hear you tell us Obama is the better candidate without using Hillary as a reference. I would like you to explain why given his enormous advantage in fund raising why he can only garner 50% of the Democratic vote. And I would like for you to explain what kind of coalitions do you think he can put together to win the general election.
Oh by the way do you know what his economic advisors stand for.
Kevin, why don’t you go to another thread to defend his ties to Auchi, Rezko and Ayers, you’re putting too much into defending his disgusting and imature behavior.
Ya notice that the trolls never actually get involved in the threads that have the real dirt on Obama? Because there is no defense there. They like to come onto the threads that discuss things that might be subjective.
Someone earlier today commented several times that, as a former Obama supporter, they were privvy to emails calling folks to come onto the blog and start shit today. Wish they’d post a paragraph from it. It’s far too obvious that they’d attack en masse like that.
Funny, I always imagined Barry to be a Wu-Tang or NWA guy…surprise, surprise…
I’d've thought that Obama would be more an MC Hammer or Vanilla Ice man. (Given the latter’s own self-created image, it would certainly fit.)
I took him for more of the Kingston Trio type.
(What is a Kingston Trio? lololol Google and enjoy.)
“Oh he never returned, no he never returned
….and his fate is still unlearned”
..comes to mind.
1. Please - show me a defense of anything
2. Why would I defend something that I haven’t even acknowledged as a credible attack?
3. You’re presuming that in fact he did what you and others KNOW he did… well, you go right ahead with that action jackson.
4. Next time - if you’re going to try and engage… what say we stick to the topic and points made? Not like it would make a difference.
Anyway, thanks for sharing.
thanks for sharing? who the hell are you? once again, cannot even engage in the real topic.
Like I said… thanks for sharing, and as I pointed out rather than engaging all you do is accuse.
And continue to prove my point. Thanks
I didn’t prove your post, totally illogical. What are you doing but accuse? You have defended one thing that Obama has done and not done. Why don’t you list all his legislative accomplishments in the Illinois State Senate and all his legislative achievements in Congress. Would you include him not holding an oversight cmte. meeting on Afghanistan and NATO? These issues that we bring up are a matter of public record and are factual. Thank YOU for sharing!
Actually grt… You did prove my initial point because rather than speak to it, you went off on a completely different tangent - specifically accusing me of “defending his disgusting and imature behavior”, which is why I asked you to show an example.
Saying an action isn’t what it’s being portrayed as is not the same as defending an action.
You’re welcome, have a great weekend.
Kevin,
You are a bloody bore that should be voided.
Go outside and play in the street will you!
Love,
Mother
Mom, Kevin needs his pamper changed, he’s getting cranky.
Wry, you are spot on. He sounds like my teen.
I want to be a football player. I don’t like practice! Too much work. I just want to play.
I love the zeitgeist movie section that speaks to why and how our children are under educated and how that is exactly where they want them. Youtube has the entire series by section (if they have not taken them down again) tagged zeigeist.
My nephew talks like this a lot. He hates his job and he can’t get laid.
I spend no time at obama sites. I don’t like to fight with people.
I wonder why Kevin spends so much time here.
I’ll engage with you over the issues. What did you think of Mr. Obama’s answer about giving white’s preference in getting into college over blacks. He is against affirmative action. Personally, I find that funny, since both Clinton’s fought hard for equal rights for blacks, but, I guess the color of one’s skin does make a wise and experienced candidate. Was that just a teaser? And I guess the muslims gonna be happy cause he’s calling for them to have seperate lunchrooms at work, wear their burkas and morning prayer call. Equal opportunity, except I really don’t hear him calling for anything to benefit the black people. I guess the same old shit just under a different color.
Kevin you must be making alot of money here. We don’t have to make a defense the defense is on Obama to prove he didn’t do it. I think your attempt at wordsmanship is pathetic. There are alot of points to be made like his associations with shady people, his conservative economic advisors, on how he would retain private contractors in Iraq, on his lack of leadership on antiwar issues despite his rhetoric the list goes on and on but I know you have been told to come over here and play mischief. Well why don’t you take your $1.50 an hour they are playing you and go finish your homework and let the adults have a discussion.
thanks for jumping in!
You’re kidding right? Now we’re in a court of law… okay - if your “prosecution” rests on that clip (hmmmmmm were have we seen that before?) Then as I stated on an earlier thread - there’s more footage from previous debates, interviews and appearances where he does the same thing (scratch w/ middle finger) that undermine your premise.
“It’s up to him to prove it” Ummmmm, how about a formal accusation then.
Riddle me this - why didn’t Hillary comment about it last night or at any point since? Why is it that only in one narrow niche that this is getting play and support? Like everything else, if it’s so good how could an experienced Politician or better still her campaign staff (who get paid to do it) push this issue more???
Silly me, that’s right, it’s part of the “media plot and campaign against Hillary and/or their continuing coddling of Obama” - better still both
I’m sure you or another commenter would say.
That was arguably the best performance Clinton has given in a televised debate… and in the second hshe outlined policy, made some good points and got in a couple of good shots throughout.
Yet rather than touting, elaborating, proselytizing, etc. - this is what the true faithful spend their energy and passion on.
Alrighty then…
Kevin this isn’t about Hillary it is about Obama and this isn’t about English 101. In the court of public opinion you are guilty until proven innocent and until Obama denies it a give a plausible explanation it is assumed to be correct.
There can be no verifiable explanation but he has to address it. Attacking Clinton is not a defense but rather a tactic which the right wing and now the lunatic left adopt.
So attack Hillary don’t address the issues which you from your language don’t know or understand. If you want to compare progressive credentials I will surely put mine up to yours and I am sure you will come up short.
Obama claim to strength is he is a new type of politican and a agent of change. What this campaign has shown is Obama is just a typical Chicago political hack who cannot produce change.
You came here to either put down Clinton supporters or came to convince us of his worthiness to hold the office of President of The United States. What you have done is harden our support and drive us to McCain. And in case you forgot he was Kerry first choice for VP.
SO KEVIN CONVINCE WHY I SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA AFTER ALL HE WILL NEED ALL OF HILLARY’S SUPPORTERS OR GO BACK TO YOUR HOMEWORK AND QUIT TRY TO IMPRESS YOUR ENGLISH TEACHER
Love your point to Kevin that Obama will need Clinton supporters. I don’t see that happening—People are pissed by this bullshit coming from The Great One and his smart ass privileged middle class boy followers.
i have looked deeply into my soul izarradar and there is no way i would ever vote for a republican … i have never done so and i sure wont start now. i might also add, this does not mean i shall vote for obama either … i just may leave the top of the ballot empty.
final point, i sincerely believe that those who would vote for mccrazy because of obama’s dullard like behavior … are conceding way too much power to the jerk.
Check out a third-party candidate. The Greens or the Libertarians, for starters.
I will wait and see. Florida is going to go Republican more than likely because BOBO the BRAT will never win enough Jews and disenfranchised Dems win.
Ralph really needs to hang it up. I recognize and remember his fame when it was fame. But those days are gone, really. I know it’s hard for Ralph to realize he just isn’t America’s hero any longer, but he really needs to deal with it personally not publicly. As it is he has gone done in recent history as the man who gave us Bush, whether he rationalizes he didn’t or not. Look, I am all for a third party, believe me. But the last thing we need is another extremist cliff. God knows we already have that loud fringe in our party as it is, not to mention the Republican fringe. Extremism is the path to destruction in this country. Just take a look at what Bush did. Now Obama wants to finish us off. The last thing we need is Ralph’s brand of extremism. You know, it’s not even that he’s wrong on some things, he’s not. It’s just him. Ralph. He’s abrasive and nobody likes him anymore. I know that’s hard for him to take but he’s not warning people about the danger of Corvairs and Pintos any longer and he needs to know that.
Riddle me this -
Only a joker asks this question.
wrong character Teak… Not the Joker, the Riddler
I always took you for a penguin.
Ok let me help.
Without using the touchy-feely words “hope” and “change”, please tell me which actual policies of Barack Obama you like. Now we already know he is not a proponent of universal health care, so you won’t have to go there. But I would really like to see you go past the fluff level (eg blanket statement)to the second level on his intentions.
How about is foreign policy/platform? What is it?
His economic policy/platform? What is it?
Is he pro life or isn’t he? Is he both?
His actual opinion on the Isreal status? I would like to know.
gee, they are paying you way too much.
Barack “Jay-Z” Obama…
has a nice ring…
Does this make Michelle “beyonce?”
Maybe Mi’Chelle?
Has a nice ring to it, she can go a little chinese, do a little asian thing, there…
MI’Chelle and Obam’a,or
Oh BAM! a!
yeah, nobody fucking with O! BAM! a!
“I’m gonna O! BAM! A! that white bitch CLINTON!”
brother gotta have street cred, nobody be messing wit me, I drop your head with a glock cause I got a giant …”
(Oh, wait, that’s the FBI…, sorry)
oh, well, time well spent in O BAM! a!’s head…
Yes, the next president of the United States….
Are you for real we are voting for president of the United States this is not an American Idol competition. We got in this situation because of attitudes like yours. We have to constantly question our leaders and I also refer to Hillary and keep their feet to the fire. Unfettered admiration for a candidate or is their spouse is weird and unhealthy.
With attitudes like yours no wonder your are compared to moonies or other extremist sects.
Obama is a narcissistic little twerp. Fuck you Barak Hussein Obama. American gangster is probably a more appropriate job for him than president of the US.
And if Spencer Ackerman thinks that scratching your face with your middle finger is subliminal or subtle or cool he’s probably one of the deepest thinkers of Obama’s breathless (and brainless) followers. Cripes.
I just posted this on your Fox thread but it relates directly to this one.
This is from PoliGazette. It’s apparently more than just giving Hillary the finger. From what this says, quite a few of his gestures are in rapper code.
He was in North Carolina. I’m assuming that he had a predominately black audience.
POLIGAZETTE
“Watch the video, and longer ones; he didn’t just give Hillary the finger, he also ‘brushed the dirt’ of his shoulder (imitation of rappers) and, and this is insulting, he made the move that indicates that he takes the shit off his shoes (Clinton). So, he basically called Clinton ‘dirt,’ shit’ and gave her the finger.”
http://poligazette.com/2008/04/18/more-on-obama/
It’s fricken nutz. This guy is so classless.
You’re right–it was a predominantly black audience save for the hand-picked whitey’s behind him–and that’s PRECISELY the reason he was acting the way he was…all shuck and jive and whining, nigga-can’t-catch-no-break shit. This is how he relates best and let’s his true colors shine….mindless adoration and flowers at his feet…he’s the epitome of public enemy…(that’s from an old rap song in the late 80’s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFnnV595byE&feature=related
For those of you who are not aware of probably the most musically and lyrically gifted rock bands today. I offer you…
Megalomaniac
Incubus
I hear you on the radio
You permeate my screen, it’s unkind but
If I met you in a scissor fight
I’d cut off both your wings on principle alone
On principle alone
Hey megalomaniac
You’re no Jesus
Yeah, you’re no fucking Elvis
Wash your hands clean of yourself
Baby yeah, step down, step down, step down
If I were your appendages
I’d hold open your eyes
So you would see
That all of us are heaven sent
And there was never meant to be only one
To be only one
Hey megalomaniac
You’re no Jesus
Yeah, you’re no fucking Elvis
Wash your hands clean of yourself
Baby yeah, step down, step down, step down
step down, step down, oh step down
Yeah
You’re, you’re, you’re
You’re no Jesus
You’re no Elvis
You’re no Jesus
You’re no Jesus
You’re no Elvis
You’re no answer
Step down, step down, step down,
step down, hey, hey
Hey megalomaniac
You’re no Jesus
Yeah, you’re no fucking Elvis
Wash your hands clean of yourself
Baby yeah, step down, step, step down
step down, oh step down, ooh step down
step down
it was all very clear to me. i don’t know rap code. he was very deliberate in what he did. it wasn’t a thoughtless gesture to the face.
there is no way this souless hack will ever be president. his legions of obamabots should maybe move to kenya and get it on over there.
….I’d rather be an obamabot than a bushbot, because the latter cares nothing about the American people (particulary people of color)….. now that obama has won, I can see most people around the world and in America share my views…. republicians are warmongers, and their foriegn policies has always reflected that…… So, so-what if obama gave her the finger (although she’s no republician, but nor is she colored), he’s only doing what most people in and out of this great country has been aching to do for centries now……. And for all those who believe I’m playing the race card, you’re right; I am….. we’ve been playing this card game for centuries now so lets not fool ourselves into believing such a game isn’t being played, lets stop acting shocked when a “race” card in this american game is played… stop acting like I’m playing this card game with poker rules. The race game is the only thing that can explain why he is “the first black president”.
I bet hundreds of candidates for Sophomore Class President in America’s High Schools did the same thing this year.
Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Dodd, Howard Dean, etc. want this man to be the leader of the free world. What a travesty. We will never be able to hold our heads up nor America in high esteem again. McCain is looking better all the time. At all cost, Barack must not be allowed to occupy our White House.
No, they just want HRC to NOT have the job.
Kennedy would endorse Ted Bundy if it suited him, and since they think his flatulence is Chanel up in the Peoples’ Republic of Mass, he believes his own hype.
Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-04-18 18:53:12
No, they just want HRC to NOT have the job.
That is it. That is what this is all about.
AGREE…..Goose Step ( Veer Left Everyone ) in UNISON over the cliff..
They obviously have different values than the ones we hold dear to our hearts. We see life very differently than the Obama people. We just simply are never going to understand them and they will never understand us.
It has already broken up my family at this point. Then they wonder why I don’t want to talk with them when they blame Hillary for everything, call her horrible names and expect me to make nice?
It has already broken up my family at this point.
What period of time in american history does this comment remind one of?
Hey Obama are you getting this?
Teak
The antebellum period?
Disturbing for you no dought, but you correct to rejecting the behavior.
It has me pondering the long term implicatations, as you are not alone in this breach and it is crossive.
My son brought a friend over. I was playing was online e-mailing “Obama’s Fikle Finger of Fate” video to everyone and I asked my son if he had already seen Barry’s fingering himself (if he wasn’t fingerin Hillary …).
My son’s friend whispered to him “it’s okay to say Hillary?” What? He told us that if he says “Hillary” in his house, his mom and dad make him leave the home. YES. THEY MAKE THE BOY LEAVE THE HOUSE IF HE SAYS HILLARY.
Obama does’t have supporters. He has followers. That is by design. The way to follow a false prophet.
I have to tell you that they (son and friends) are not of voting age and they are not in goose step with the “Yutes Vote for Obama” older voters.
Hmmmmm……That is very scary…..Berlin 1933…Here comes the Obama Youth…..
You’re right. The US version of the Hitler’s Youth. Hero worship and the culture of personality.
They apparently want to destory the Dem party and build a new one per the article below.
About Those Proud Hillary Haters
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 05:59:43 PM EST
Speaking for me only
In a response I took to be directed at Jerome Armstrong, Tom Watson and me, Markos writes:
You know those rabid Clinton supporters who think everyone is a sellout because of inadequate Hlllary worship (like this site, Keith Olbermann, Howard Dean, Stephanie Miller, etc)
I do not know what Howard Dean and Stephanie Miller have to do with it, but if Kos is equating his site to Olbermann’s antics, that is saying he is proud to be a Hillary Hater. But to bring Markos back to the point, he endorsed this:
It’s bizarre, but I don’t really consider [Hillary Clinton] a Dem any more.
If refraining from saying Hillary Clinton is not a Democrat constitutes Hillary worship for Daily Kos, I think he confirms my point - the destruction of the Clinton Wing of the Party, Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Legacy is what his web site is about now. Drumming Clinton supporters out of the Democratic Party is what his web site is about. If that is what Barack Obama’s campaign will be about in November, he will lose. The Creative Class Wing of the Democratic Party is not enough.
Agree…..Fascism 101….Elementary tactics…May be headin to Canada….Whole things gettin SCARY TRIBAL if you get my drift, and I’m just too old for this tribal shit…
Do you honestly think K$$ is important?
Really, think about it, who sets the agenda, politically in this country?
It isn’t K$$, don’t waste your time, he’s only important to a certain subset of bloggers, who in and of themselves aren’t really important.
K@@ is less important than Trippi, and Trippi is a joke.
Don’t ascribe more importance to him, try to see him as someone else’s tool, his enemy’s, and you’ll get a better picture.
I think any of the K** offshoot bloggers are far more relevant in terms of gauging mood, and direction.
They certainly are more intelligent, and they certainly are respected as more relevant.
I mean, all in all, SF is a joke.
What was the last organic intelligent thing to come out of there?
The rallies were right out of the play book. The first one I saw sent chills up the back of my neck.
I am a die hard Hillary fan, but this is just silly. Lets stick the issues please. We win on every one of them (healthcare in particular and most importantly). Lets make our case on that basis and forget this nonsense. Hillary doesn’t need to hind behind trash to shine, and niether do we.
I don’t care if the finger flak is silly, damn, at least its getting some air time. Unlike the REAL dirt on Obama! It isn’t the fault of Hillary supporters that this is the kind of story the media likes. Don’t know if you noticed, but most reporters are intellectually lazy. TV is news is vapid by its nature. Go “fingergate” GO! Do what real news can not!
We are only opening ourselves up for more faux charges of racisim. We are going to go on the attack re: non-issues that at least we can try to get air time for the outright lies he told in the debate. I really believe this will blow up in our face (no matter how unfair it is we need to be smart and deal with reality).
Yeah…..Everything is gettin kinda tribal. I think alot of it just frustration because the media has been biased for so long and it’s hard not to get caught up in this shit. Truth is lettin off steam is one of the reasons I’ve enjoyed this blog and there are folks here that make me laugh. I don’t want to be too PC, but I also don’t want to get too carried away.
Okay, the ‘finger thing’ may be vapid, but appearantly that is how to talk to the Cultists (admittedly, logic doesn’t impress them) since that is their MO (dark video et al). But, my issue with the video is the arm action he did. Before I even read the comments, I was offended. I’ve seen the arm action before and it doesn’t mean stab to me.
I am not saying that people don’t have the right to be offended. And I can only speak from my own experience. When I fight with folks about the issues, they will (usually) concede that Hillary has the better ideas and policy. But the minute they have any hook to attack Hillary (especially on the race issue) people no longer care. They feel entitled to bash her in the name of racial justice. I know this is nonsense (I am a black woman strongly for Hillary and was furious when we got trashed over SC and Ferroro.) There is no way to “win” the race argument. But we can win by pointing out how phony BO is, and how many lies he’s told and how his health care policy is not really progressive.
Yes, actually, there is.
I don’t consider myself a racist, I do my best to strive to be aware of my bias, my own cultural upbringings, to be fair. I despise elitism of any sort, esp as I see those with the least to offer feasting off false notions of superiority.
So, I have truth, here, and for me, well, I can take that hit, a bunch of stupid people using that old racism chestnut to bolster and camouflage a terrorist associating politician.
It’s about so much more than Barry, why would I allow liars to dictate?
In the end, though, the black community will be hurt by Barry, he has already stolen money from poor AA’s, and now he is stealing credibility, and political leverage.
And THAT is a crime, too.
It’s the man’s pattern, Barry will set back AA politicans 100 years, when this is over.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. What I meant is that we cannot “win” in the current political environment at this time. I guess it depends on what is most important to people now. For me it is getting Hillary elected and finding the best way to do it, not to fight counter productive PC/racial wars. The last thing Hillary needs is for the Obombats to whip people up into a frenzy because we are attacking “black hip hop culture.”
But aren’t the hip hop people already voting for Obama? He can whip them up himself. Maybe that’s what he was doing.
(Vision of Brazile using whip and chains on FL/MI.)
Actually, Jocelyn, to worry about that issue is to be blackmailed by spoiled, stupid children.
Hip hop culture is empty, and not controlled by the boys who ascribe to it. It was, IMO, a set up. Bullets, and violence are real, but they move both ways. The suburban white boys forget they don’t fight in a vacuum, they are no more than cowardly Cheneys, who only attack when they’re SURE the US can’t lose. And under his VP, it did. They’re really all no more than Private first class K@@.
Secondly, speaking of code, the use of this flatulent balloon, hip hop, is , IMO, being used by the bama to covertly threaten Clinton.
Sugary white frosting on a cake is not a threat, esp when someone else made the frosting for you, and you’re too stupid to understand.
In the words of a man I admire as both brilliant and erudite: “I smell beer.”
Used as a metaphor, bama is attacking with hip hop, again, when he should be defending hip hop.
But he’s too stupid to understand the abstract.
They are really THAT stupid.
War is hell for everybody, but especially for DUMB people, who rely on old technology, without intelligent human analysis.
>>> It’s the man’s pattern, Barry will set back AA politicans 100 years, when this is over.
I disagree. He will set OBAMA, his Winnie Mandela-wannbe harridan wife and his drooling, idiot brother-in-law back a ways. But his candidacy has not diminished my opinion of any number of bright, hard-working individuals whose ancestors came over on a different ship than mine.
Unless caught with a live boy or a dead girl, he will not be set back so far as was Gary Hart. But it will be almost that far.
Pray that someone finds Sinclair in a talkative mood (trolling a book deal may do it) and we can give the non-AA electorate a lesson on, “the Down - Low.”
Otherwise, look for Senator Hope-A-Dope to be in the booth with Pat Buchanan, Tweety and KO for the GE night coverage.
Those who Can, Do.
Those who Cannot get their dicks knocked in the dirt.
Agreed. I live my life with the assumption that people will evaluate ME—on my own merits. BO is what he is. That has nothing to do with me.
That may be true but why invite it? There are so many things wrong with BO. His multiple lies to take one example. Shouldn’t we put our energy into our cleanest shots instead of playing into their hands?
It’s NOT how you play the game. It’s whether or not you win.
That other iteration of the similar phrase is taught to encourage the Losers to be Good Losers. Or, more plainly, “Know their place.”
Good Losers are STILL Losers.
I grew up in routine fear of physical harm from AAs. I learned one thing: it does’t matter if you fight clean or dirty. What matters is not getting your ass kicked.
There is no more useless an emotion than false pride.
If I have to bite your ear off to win…. Tyson put it best.
That is street fighting baby! And that is what Barry is doing here.
I’m sad to say, but I have to disagree.
Like the democratic elite, and Barry, there is a failure to recognize HOW the American mainstream thinks, deep down, and AA’s, going in with a minority status, are already at a disadvantage.
The old saw about women having to work twice as hard to receive half the credit is applicable to AA’s, too.
Barry would have had to run a circumspect campaign to really advance the AA political culture, instead he goes in with the half wit Axelrod, and hip hop. And wait until the corruption is exposed. Have you been listening to Fox? It’s real, it’s relevant, and the democratic leadership is oblivious, doing NOTHING to mitigate the damage.
Who wants to be associated with such corrupt trash?
There is a failure to recognize how this is affecting the larger culture.
It’s the same reasoning that doesn’t allow Dean to understand WHY so many find Wright reprehensible, and WHY the bitterness remarks were so offensive, et al.
Obtuse elite.
This is precisely why I think all this “race” fighting is counter-productive. The AA community? Who exactly is that? Jayz, Oprah, Clearance Thomas, Maggie Williams? Or—more to the point, BO who had a father from the continent of Africa and was raised by a white woman far from the traditional ‘hood? This all nonsense. All Americans should be in favor of universal health care, more sensible economic policies, etc. The question for me is who is the most competent person to do it? This is why, and the ONLY reason why, I support Hillary (notwithstanding my “membership” in the AA community—whatever that is). We need a new paradigm. Let’s cut the shit and figure out the best way to get Hillary in the white house.
tell you what, i don’t give a rap about false charges of racism. they are going to attack and demean us in any event. fight, fight , fight or they will eat us up.
sorry my posting above was in response to this.
Jocelyn -
I agree with you. Obama’s silly, uncouth gestures are not the issue. They make me angry, as do the laughter and derision coming from his supporters. However, we need to focus on the more pressing issues and demonstrate once and for all that Senator Clinton’s supporters have a helluva lot more class than Obama’s.
More pressing issues are things like: Who will be the best person to guide this country through the difficult years ahead?
Hillary Clinton.
Nice role model for the Obamanerd. He obviously flipped her off. Can we stop pretending that “maybe”, “if he did”, “could he have”, “it looked like,” etc. Can we just please state as fact what obviously is fact? Are we afraid of getting sued? I wouldn’t worry about it. You can’t be sued for slander/libel if you tell the truth. Why don’t we all relax and tell the truth? It feels better.
And it’s the only thing that will set you free. Not fake “hope” not fake “change” — but good old fashioned truth. I know some people might be delicate souls and have never flipped anyone off. However, I most certainly have. This particular type of bird is the “I’m gonna flip you off, and pretend I’m not flipping you off” bird. Common bird to all of North America. Easily recognizable.
I am thinking that this nice little quality moment will surface on Saturday or Sunday in a nice big paper just in time for PA. –The one thing psychopaths have trouble controlling is their body language and inadvertant slips of the tongue. Bambi does both. His obnoxious little “witty” remarks that fall flat, and his absolute inability to think about his physical gestures. I noticed the other day they had an old clip of his on a “news” program. He was saying that no one on his staff ever said anything to Canadian officials about him weaseling on NAFTA.
The “reporter”: “never happened?”
The Obamanerd: “never happened.” He says this while nodding his head up and down. (note to Axelrove: tell Obama “no” is side-to-side, not up-and-down.)
Obama is one of the most (if not the most) obnoxious politicians (if not people) on the planet. His
cult followers exemplify the quality. They read him loud and clear.
Actually, the only Obama teammate that I see missing is Manson. Perhaps a pardon for Manson and he can take his place at the Mantel as well.
No, he didn’t “flip her off”. I do not care for Obama, but let’s get real and get back to reasons why Obama is NOT a good candidate instead of this manufactured stuff that makes his opponents look pretty silly. You don’t believe me? Look here: http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/4/18/102120/357/8 That should provide you all the “evidence” that one needs to dispel this myth NOW.
No, I say stop pretending. At least McCain doesn’t pretend he didn’t call Hillary a bitch.
Obama flipped off Hillary Clinton. What are the consequences? We’ll see.
There were two incidents of his “scratching his face”!
The mydd pictures are from the less innocuous incident. In the “primary” instance, his other fingers were nowhere near his middle finger. Check it out!
I hate to tell you this, but the mydd pictures ARE of the incident in question! WATCH the video provided in that post on mydd, and you will see that this is the point that everyone is saying that Obama “flipped off” Hillary. He didn’t, and it’s obvious that he didn’t, if you look at the video from the side–the one with the link on mydd.
I dislike Obama to the point where I am honestly considering writing in a candidate if Obama is the Democratic nominee. Hence, I would be the FIRST to let the guy have it, if what you were saying was true. But it isn’t true so we should admit this and move on. Otherwise, we who oppose Obama’s candidacy look pretty silly.
Seriously, you go by “statBabe”? And you’re directing me to mydd for the “real” stuff?
Seriously?
I mean, seriously? Like with a straight face, and all? Seriously? Oh come on, you’re kidding right? This is one of my friends playing a joke right? Man you guys are too funny. You’re not getting any wine for dinner for playing jokes like that.
Jeez.. you had me going for a minute there. I actually thought for a minute some woman would willingly call herself “statBabe.” I was even coming up with a curt response about of course a female who would call herself “babe” would be an Obam-ite. I mean “Babe” couldn’t feel good about herself, would love to hang with the boys who make her feel juvenille and invisible. And therefore she would turn to “stats” (having taken one course no doubt at the local junior college) to make herself feel like she had credibility on some level. Still problematic even then…is the “babe.” Oh well, I’m glad it was just a joke and there isn’t some poor pathetic thing out there calling herself “babe.”
As for mydd? LMAO
Sandy, did you bother to WATCH the video from the side (i.e., not the stills that are posted on mydd)??? The video is here (although the link was up at mydd): http://www.ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.111.swf?&loc=/&vid=355941 The point in the talk where he mentions “Hillary was in her element” is around 20:50 on the video. It’s obvious that he has two fingers up.
I don’t like the guy, and if you had bothered to read any of my other posts here, you would KNOW that! If you object to Obama, then at least, go after him for his questionable associations with terrorists, racist ministers, and that crook Tony Rezko. Better yet, go after Obama for his empty rhetoric, which is what I object to. But this finger business is just plain silly!
And yeah, I go by “StatBabe” because statistics is my profession, which, believe it or not, actually involves more than a course at the local junior college. My late father hung that moniker on me 18 years ago when I made a career change to statistics–at the time, my parents had CB radios so we ALL got monikers for the CB. I kept the moniker all these years as a way to honor my dead father so I don’t give a rat’s ass if it pisses you and the rest of the cyberworld off or not!
Here’s the slo-mo close-up. Put down the Kool-Aid and watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWTpYlU-UI
I detest Obama and have actually given a fair amount of money to Hillary Clinton’s campaign (at least, a lot of money to me) so PLEASE don’t tell me to quit drinking the Kool-Aid! Again, I refer you to the video from the side that clearly shows TWO FINGERS raised: http://www.ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.111.swf?&loc=/&vid=355941 The specific place to look is between 20:54 to 20:56. This coincides with the point where Obama refers to Hillary being in her element. TWO FINGERS are clearly evident.
Now, if we could look inside that pinhead’s mind (Obama, that is), I’m quite sure that Obama probably WANTED to flip the bird at Hillary, but wanting to give the middle-finger salute and actully doing it are two different matters.
Apologies, Stat.
There are two incidents and 1 is not as bad, but the other is unmistakeable. This is what the media is missing and here too
It is unbelievable that there are videos of Obama saying the same speech in front of 2 separate audiences. At the same point in EACH speech, he takes his middle finger and pretends to scratch his nose. It is at the point where he says “Hillay is in her element”. I have seen this gesture before. The audience understands what he has done. They are in on the joke. Their response is inappropriate if they don’t get the gesture. Like I said, there are 2 separate videos with 2 separate audiences. The speech was pre written as they are identical. At the same point in each speech, he does the stupid gesture. the one video, from ABC news http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4675790&affil=wtae (there is also a You tube video of the ABC one) shows the best angle and in listening to it you get the irrefutable proof. The other video is very similar but not quite as obvious, but you get the point. The audience in that video are less in on the joke. Notice the different people in the audiences even though he has the same suit and tie on.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNO58WdUptUIt is best to use 2 laptops and watch bot at the same time. It is shocking that he would do something this stupid. Can you say Maccaca?
As much as I would like this to be true, look again–it’s the SAME speech taken from different angles! Take a look at the sign behind Obama–the reason that the people are different is the angle! The ABC video has people seated under the “GE” in “CHANGE” (and this is at the rightmost extreme of the word) while the YouTube video has people seated under the “CH” in “CHANGE”. So, sure, the people are different–they would HAVE to be different since we are looking at different angles.
Now, if you listen and observe carefully BOTH videos, it is a virtual impossibility to deliver the SAME speech with the SAME imperfections (the hesitations in his speech) and the SAME mannerisms (his body going EXACTLY the SAME way in BOTH videos throughout) in this entire clip to two different audiences.
I am willing to believe that the man has no shame in such matters. Obama has proven himself to be incredibly arrogant and actually seems to believe his own press. But this thing with the middle finger just doesn’t pass the smell test–not this contention about two identical speeches to two different audiences–not with the evidence presented thus far, not to mention the video taken from the side (located here: http://www.ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.111.swf?&loc=/&vid=355941 cue to 20:54 for part in question) that clearly shows TWO FINGERS.
And, no, I am NOT trying to be condescending–I just hate for the pro-Hillary people to look silly in their criticism of “The One”.
The thing is bunkie you’re calling everyone who saw the Obama fuck you Hillary moment a liar and blind as bat.
BTW he did do it and we don’t need another WORM dictating to us what your annointed master did or didn’t do. If we did we’d go to Sirota,Kos or Marshall for a steady diet of lies.
There are TWO. Not just two angles. I watched them side by side on 2 laptops to be certain. Same words, same gesture..but slightly different. That’s why people see these differently. They are different. Can anyone find out his itinery and his speeches that day?
stat I saw it and it doesn’t mean a thing it was deliberate and he flipped Hillary off, now he couldn’t have come out with the proper position now could he, he isn’t stupid. He is just a sleaze and thinks he is slick. Just as the people again are hearing bamboozled and hoodwinked, I don’t understand why no one is calling him out on this. First in SC, then in MS, and now in NC.
Sorry but I saw Obama flipping the bird to Clinton. NO mistake — that is what the low life Obama did.
And I don’t go to trash websites like MyDD.
I use my own eye and my own judgment.
Northwest rain, the video you saw was from the front. Take a look at the video from the side at http://www.ustream.tv/swf/3/viewer.111.swf?&loc=/&vid=355941 and cue up to 20:54. You will SEE the two fingers from the side. I loathe Obama so I am only telling you this because this argument about the middle finger makes all of us in the Hillary camp look pretty silly.
bull, he had on different ties.
Columbo strikes again. The case of the two Ties. (and two fingers).
Is the catcher calling for a inside curve, up and a way, or a slider down and in
Point being, if it is one or it’s two fingers doesn’t matter, Obama has been throwing spit balls.
The photo shows him flipping the bird. I used to be a counselor for high school students — and they used this sort of hand signal ALL the time.
The fact that the audience understood the message — tells me that his actions were deliberate.
He is a fricking lawyer — and at some point in his college education he would have/should have had a class in public speaking. So any action like this IS deliberate and CARRIES a message to his supporters.
Agree….That grin clinched it, he was playin to the crowd and made himself into a fool…
cut the crxx! he flipped her off. and stop talking down to us like you are smarter and know more.
StatBabe -
Thank you for the link to that alternative view. I watched it several times.
From the side, Obama’s gesture does indeed look like a two-fingered scratch. But it is the TIMING of his comment (i.e., on Hillary “in her element”) with said scratch, plus the audience’s reaction that makes me think there was some smarmy, insulting intent behind this Obama’s gesture (even if unconscious). Why “scratch” at that particular moment, then follow it up with additional “stab” gestures, then pause with that big grin, as if he just delivered the cute, frat boy punchline? There’s something even Bush-like about that particular Obama smugness.
You’re right. We need to focus on the real reasons why Hillary is the better choice and forget this crap. It will come back to bite us.
Meanwhile, please understand the anger and frustration that led me (and others) to interpret Obama’s gesture as a “finger” to Hillary. His behavior has given us reason to suspect the worst.
I like your “nom de web.” Stats figure in my profession as well.
Thanks for the informative post. The finger gesture was quite obvious but I was kind of clueless on what the symbolism of the other gesture that evoked such audience response. I realize that the vocal Obama Cult will eat this up but it is really very unsettling to see a presidential candidate act in such a boorish and immature manner.
Is this really the type of candidate that the party wants to put forward to compete against McCain? Will people see Obama for who and what he is before it is too late?
Matthew
http://www.TheProblemWithObama.com
I just sent the following reply to an e-mail from the DNC:
To Whom It May Concern:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWTpYlU-UI
This reprehensible and very revealing behavior needs to be slapped down hard. It is one reason why I will not, in any circumstances, vote for Senator Barack Obama if he is the Democratic nominee.
I have voted as a Democrat since 1972, but my position this year is that we’ve survived eight years of George W. Bush and will survive four years of a President John McCain. And I am not alone in taking this position. Indeed, as the DNC is no doubt aware, recent polls have shown that some 30 percent of the Democratic base is seriously considering the same decision I’ve already reached.
If Senator Obama is the Democratic nominee, and if the presidential race looks at all tight in my state, I will reluctantly but definitely vote for Senator McCain. It will be my first time voting for a Republican presidential candidate, and it will be a vote cast against my desire to punish the Republicans for their years-long, often criminal enabling of George W. Bush.
But my vote will also be direct citizen action aimed at sending the severely underqualified Barack Obama back to the U.S. Senate–and aimed, frankly, at placing our country above what no longer feels like my party.
If the race is not tight, I will vote for Cynthia McKinney and for local candidates and issues. I may also vote for downticket Democrats on a case-by-case basis.
Like Senator Obama, perhaps the DNC also has come to admire Ronald Reagan. Here are a few words from the Gipper: “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party; my party left me.”
Excellent comment Palomino.
Good job with the juxtaposing of the Reagan quote, that is certainly what is happening with at least half (the old half) the Democratic party today!
Like Senator Obama, perhaps the DNC also has come to admire Ronald Reagan. Here are a few words from the Gipper: “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party; my party left me.”
Exceptionally, well said. I have been a Democrat all of my life–yes, born into a Democratic household, and have been voting since 1976. I won’t vote McCain, but I also will NEVER vote Obama. I can sit it out in the dark for another 4 years. And, even though I am a Hillary State Delegate, I do NOT feel part of this Party any longer. As a woman and as a Latina, there seems to be no room for us at the Dean table.
Well said.
the obama campaign called today as i was walking out the door. i tolk them i was busy, otherwise i would have been very rude.
How’s the “Fingergate” this is his “Macaca” (at least the 3rd or 4th time I’ve seen on this site “this is his macaca moment, he’s toast”) moment going??
MSM really bit on that one didn’t they?!
Keep throwing your poop….
Must be getting stinky for ya’ll.. cause not one piece seems to be sticking…
What a mess…..
Keep em come’n..
Champs!
Stop leaching off your parents and get a job ok?
Potty humor? From an Obamaphile? Jeez, I’ll bet that has everyone surprised.
Well, in your honor I guess instead of calling it a Macaca moment, I’ll just refer to it as Obama’s Caca moment.
You know, I thought beating these guys up was gonna be fun in some way. But they just make it too darn easy. Jeez. How are we gonna “train for McCain” if this is all we have to work with?
little fellah, your mom’s calling and your homework isn’t done.
Silly kids!
This your first election? The name of the game is consistent pressure and accumulation.
The Wright issue didn’t end Barry. The Fickle Finger of Fate may not either. But we are giving independent voters a lot more to think about. You don’t count as you are already sheeping after him. You are not our target nor are we discouraged by your lack of understanding.
And it is working. Obama is loosing his Hope act and showing more Wright. Keep it up Barry.
Obama is a “rap video”, he relates himself to the theme of “getting over on and around the Man”! He has combined Elmer Gantry with Jay-Z, et al and has conned and hustled his way to his “Peter Principle” moment.
There is a very real reason Obama feels so insulated and entitled. Contrary to the hype, his fanatical supporters (media and otherwise), his website, his books, etc., Obama has never had to actually work for anything. Dissect his history, what little there is, and you will see nothing of any true “struggles”. All you will find is a profound ability to “get over”!
When Dean and MoveON chose him as Dean’s surrogate and heir to the “Dean machine” in 2004, his quest to get over on the white man was fulfilled.(http://burningatthegrassroots.com/barack.php)
This con job is not just about the run to be the Democratic nominee. It is about the control and direction of the Democratic party now and for the future. Dean/MoveOn/Soros/Axelrod have their candidate, and they think they have the Democratic party. The only thing standing in their way is HRC and us.
They may pull this scam off, but I will never move out of their their way. Nor will others who still believe in a democratic Democratic Party and process.
I think that Dean is more worried over Obama’s supporters (being kind here)leaving the Dem party because petulant Obama would run Independent if he loses the primary. Yes, there are many similarities between Obama and his mentor, Lieberman.
Run away Mr. Obama. And please take Donna Brazile with you when you go.
And Obama don’t forget take the Move-on latte drinking scumbags and “progressive” bloggers with you.
Because I can’t think of another gang of shit heads who pushed the Democratic party to the breaking point.
And the Hillary supporters are expendable? The Democratic base in the big blue states that the nominee has to carry in November?
I want some of what they’re smoking if they believe that’s true.
I think DEAN the PUTZ has it backwards….HRC has 2/3 of the traditional base. Most of the IMPOSTERS’ supporters aside from AA’s are independents and not party members.
More links regarding the Dean machine tactics and Obama being their “chosen one” to win an election and take over the Dem. party.
http://burningatthegrassroots.com/
http://burningatthegrassroots.com/chaptersummaries.php
http://burningatthegrassroots.com/kerry_chapter.doc
http://burningatthegrassroots.com/barack.php
http://www.google.com/search?q=+Burning+at+the+Grass+Roots&btnG=Search&hl=en
anyone else find it funny his supporter are striking for accountability? Like, who’s supposed to be accountable? (Hillary says, “hold me accountable.” Also, some blogger told me that Barack was reading from a script he wrote on Colbert last night. I didn’t think those interview-like moments were scripts too, who knew? But it’s surprising that Hillary made fun of herself, and John made fun of himself, but Barack made fun of Hillary and with rather a mean spirit. I thought Colbert outed him, because Hillary is running on fixing the Bush mess, and it looks like Barack needs her to fix things before he can take over the screen. It’s all very petty and making it harder for me to imagine him as a president, we’ve had one frat boy already? but messages to his younger crowd, like Bush gave messages to his born-again crowd, I guess they don’t want the over thirty-five vote. Sure hope he can inspire his voters cause after these unpleasant and unnecessary insults, that women feel personally, seems he’s running on the narcissist ticket, and I don’t vote narcissist. Or at least not really childish temper narcissist.
Yes, when he throws the ‘many in years’ crowd to the ‘circle’ I wonder why his palm crystal doesn’t blink red. Or if it does, is the computer given him a pass.
To clarify: I’m referencing the movie “Logan’s Run” whereas anybody over 30 years old had to go to the ‘circle ‘ therefore to die for the good of society (because Old sucks). The blinking red crystal is a signifier that you are approaching 30. Seems to me that Obama’s ’supporters’ don’t understand that he is over 30, but he pretends otherwise; Such as his not too subtle distancing from the experienced voters, whom he knows he can not win.
Sorry, but I am offended by Obama as a female and an over 30 person and an intelligent being and a Democrat and…the list goes on.
Michele Obama has made reference to herself as “young” and as she and Barack as a “young couple”.
She’s 44 he’s 46 - that isn’t old but it isn’t young either.
I don’t know any 44 year old woman who refers to her marriage of 13 years as “we’re a young couple”
And that garbage about they just paid back their student loans…They mean their LAW School loans. They try to sound like 24 year olds or something.
LOL…How true. My kid asked me about that as The IMPOSTER and I are about the same age. I reminded her that although I’m not yet a senior, she is correct in understanding that YES I’m middle aged and glad to be that too. 20 yrs. ago I never I’d make it here. The IMPOSTER COUPLE subscribe to that silly idea that 60 is the new 40.
It appears to be with expensive plastic surgery, me I’m proud of the wrinkles…They are a SHOWCASE OF EXPERIENCE and SURVIVAL.
Funny
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4xhJnXl4kIA
No, he’s not, a common mistake.
The enemy of your enemy is using you.
It figures Obama would be into that shitty despicable rap violence anyhow. Especially the ones about beating the crap out of, stabbling, and killing women. Especially white women like his mother and grandmother.
Somebody find Freud for this sociopath, please.
All Race issues aside…Where is the AA community with BO endorsing this verbal violence? He is in WAY over his head and does not know it.
Does he relize that he has set back the chances of ANY AA being elected for 50 years? I see no reason for him to perpetuate a myth, that he is black. He could give to fingers about other AA.
That will be remembered for a long time and NOT in a positive way.
Read this about the real AA’s consern:
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php
yup, if obama makes it to the general, the vidoes of his okey dokey and bird to hillary certainly won’t help. his bitter comments will do the greatest harm. i don’t see the media or party elders wanting to bring someone else forward after the coming disaster even with their being so dumb acting right now.
obama’s questionable associations leaves me scratching my head, but i have to say it tells me more about who obama really is than ole teddy or kerry trying to spin me and insult my intelligence.
( sigh )…Kinda makes MC Hammer look quaint by comparison don’t it ? HAMMERTIME…
But all the hustlers they love it just to see one of us make it
Came from the bottom the bottom, to the Top of the Pops
Yeah, except Obama came from the top 10%. He ain’t seen the bottom of nothing with his learned “poverty.”
He’s from the bottom of the top 10%
Now stop that! Don’t you know he was on Indonesian Food Stamps?
Yes, his mom mailed them to him while he was living with his bank president grandma in Hawaii.
That dude’s humble beginnings is a fantasy wrapped in a fairy tale.
LMAO…. and spilled my coffee….Finally someone notices…Can I get food stamps when I relocate to Canada ( which I’ll do if that cad gets elected.)
Okay, now I’m really feeling like Obama & Co. are doing some kind of mindfuck with people. If you recall all of his comments within that speech, he not only did the brush off, the middle finger, and he made a reference to Hillary “twisting the knife” aka “stabbin’”
I’m a sane person, very reasonable, but he’s starting to really freak me out with this stuff. From the Replacement Rev. quoting Ice Cube (or was it Ice T, definitely not Vanilla Ice?), to this…
Too many sudden gestures in his that speech. Would love to see what the Alinsky method suggests as far as body language while riling up the crowd.
“he not only did the brush off, the middle finger, and he made a reference to Hillary “twisting the knife” aka “stabbin’””
you’re kidding right? You’re putting way too much thought into supporting, let alone building on false premise.
Oooooh…it’s Kevin. Kevin’s back.
I finally thought of where I know Kevin from.
Kevin is that little kid in “Home Alone.”
Now I can put his comments in the proper context.
Respectfully but just barely; Hey Kevin do your self a favor. OK? Shut up and listen.
Barak Obama refered to to Hillary Clinton using the following word’s.
twisting the knife” aka “stabbin’ “beating to death” and a lot of other filth. Do you speak to your parents like that? Or anyone else?
If where I were to make such inuendos and implied threats against you or anyone else you care for, I would expect you to take exception.
But you are not a man. You do not know what it takes to be a man. You do not know any thing but to expect others to provide you with mental room service. Take your fasination with the pancakes and bacon between your ears and listen up. You would not know a premise false or otherwise. if it bit you in the “I am Shocked” part of your brain.
In the debates Obama got his ass twisted because he has much to hide, can’t string two words together with um or ahh and had the “audasity” to look at his Oppenent with Overt Mal-intent. He does not know what it takes to be a man either, just like you.
He is a selfish immoral excuse for a human being.
kevin, stfu!
Oh don’t worry. The swift boaters already have that infantile appearance covered.
I liked that, “I don’t vote narcissist.” I don’t either. And as completely disgusting as it seems, I too will vote for McCain, if I have no other choice.
As another blogger said quoting (oh my God!) the Gipper, “the democratic party moved from me.”– yes I feel the same way. I don’t vote racist. And Dean and the other horrors have given me a racist candidate. Thanks.
Imagine this jerk as president will ya? We would all have to learn Rap.
What. A. Child.
Just like we’ve all ‘had’ to learn country western under Dumbya right?
Holy cripes….
You people have lost your marbles….
keep em come’n….
He isn’t even a step up from Dumbya.
Just call him W3. Picture it- make the gang signs for west coast and the a backwards east coast sign.
Sadly, most of Rap (Rap-Be-Crap) makes country western music look intelligent. And how hard is that to do?
Let’s see if anyone can come up with a “rap” or should it at this point be “wrap” (as in wrap-up, as in done, gone, see-ya, bye) for Obama.
:rolleyes:
Ever wonder why the Democrat party has lost a large swath of this country’s vote? Comments like the above reflect it.
Watch it and see how wrong you are…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go
I see childish men bragging about things they have no knowledge of.
Despite raps pretensions, and it is pretentious, it still doesn’t touch what, say, most of Iraq has to deal with, daily, in terms of violence. I would say most law enforcement has to deal with conditions far more chaotic than NWA. And then when a producer like Jimmy Iovine gets behind it, well, a flea just flew into a spider’s web, right?
Stupid boys bragging about ho’s and their willingness to murder look like Obama’s trolls — clueless, obtuse braggarts, so stupid, they can’t see how they’re being set up.
As if others don’t, um, murder back.
You didn’t even bother to watch the video link I posted: For there was only one Man in Black.
As for Rap, today’s rap is trash. But when Rap emerged on the music scene is was anti-gang and even anti-drug, it was positive.
Now listen to the lyrics from Grandmaster Flash’s White Lines…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGFn-Q_FN44
Don’t diss an enter genre because you don’t even know why it even emerged.
I loved the 80s. Not only because new music genres emerged (and synths finally got the respect it deserved, not as special genres like Isao Tomita’s instrumentals [when a synth was a size of a living room!] and Deodato’s acid jazz), it’s also when a socially responsible conscience was born.
Not every hick or homeboy is an idiot, Simon. Music knows no boundaries, it’s the key of universal understanding.
So much so, I’ll leave a song to all those busybodies who p*ss in folks Cheerios:
Funny version…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oSoYXrAWdw
For idiots who can’t understand Jimmy Buffet, some lyrics…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA
I lived in Philly when Rap was startin to hit the scene and had some important political stuff to say….Sadly, it’s all about sex and uber hyped violence….( sigh )
Uppity… did we all have to learn the Texas Two Step when George won? I don’t recall having to learn Contra or old time square when the Clintons were in… nor would I imagine I would have to.
Yet, because a cultural reference was made in a speech, you instantly not only judge him for the reference… but then make a childish statement yourself.
Kevin, you write white. Is that racist of me to say? Just wondering. Cause you do.
Sandy R…..LOL…..CRACKER ANYONE……LOL
Jeez…Look at ALL his freaking associates and nonexistent work! This is not ‘two stepping’, its overstepping or skipping like children do!
I know that some of you believe that this is a non-issue. Hillary’s campaign is the only one about issues, but this article is also about Barry taking this campaign to a new low, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with voicing that position.
I thought it was a well-known fact that BO was a big-time Jay-Z fan.
As a woman, I appreciate No Quarter posting this article. I was extremely offended on the night of the New Hampshire Primary when Barack Obama played Jay-Z’s 99 REASONS Rap Song. That was playing while Barack and Michelle were sauntering onto the stage while everyone in the audience was cheering, and later talking about how cool Barack was putting it to Hillary. Here’s a line from Jay-Z’s song:
99 REASONS
If your having girl problems I feel bad for you son
I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one
[Verse One]
I got the rap patrol on the gat patrol
Foes that wanna make sure my casket’s closed
Rap critics that say he’s “Money Cash Hoes”
I’m from the hood stupid what type of facts are those
If you grew up with holes in your zapitos
You’d celebrate the minute you was having doe
I’m like fuck critics you can kiss my whole asshole
If you don’t like my lyrics you can press fast forward
Got beef with radio if I don’t play they show
They don’t play my hits well I don’t give a shit SO
Rap mags try and use my black ass
So advertisers can give em more cash for ads…fuckers
I don’t know what you take me as
or understand the intelligence that Jay-Z has
I’m from rags to ritches nigga I ain’t dumb
I got 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one
Hit me
I have heard about Chelsea being pimped out by Hillary. I have seen enough vulgar, misogynistic crap on DK and HuffPo to last me a life time. So, please don’t say that there’s something wrong with this post, and that we need to get back to serious issues. This is a serious issue.
Good grief… this whole line of thinking is like saying that anyone who used (at the time or now) the phrase “keep on truckin’” is an acid dropping freelovin’ hippie.
It’s silly.
You’re right, dude. It is silly. Just as silly as it would be for Hillary to turn up at one of her rallies and twirl a noose while being cheered on by a white crowd. Silly season, that’s all.
Kevin (sigh)…Preach it to OPRAH….Even she is pissed off about the promotion of violence and sexism towards women in Hip Hop….
Oh sorry, I sent that off before clarifying. I still think Hillary will get the nomination. I just don’t think Obama should be in this race at all.
Back when he made the first racist comments (that we got to hear about) and refused to disconnect from the demure Rev. Race-Baiter– the DNC should have stepped in and said, “NO.” We can not support you as one of our candidates. We will not sanction racism. But Coward Dean (as Uppity calls him) took no stand. No stand at all. So now we have this piece of garbage still in our primary. So it’s either Hillary or its McCain for me. I believe it will be HIllary because politicians are self-preserving by nature and they know that if they align themselves with the incredibly insane and nasty Obama, they will be chucked out of office or fail to be voted in. I know I will be making damn sure that happens in my state. Oh Senator Baucus.. watch your step. If you don’t endorse Hillary there’s a lot of Republicans and people like me who are gonna help you retire early!
Correction — song’s name is 99 Problems. Sorry, just a little upset.
So BHO wants to grow up to be a rapper? Citizen Obama can do that. But the President is supposed to look out for all of the people. Can we trust a rapper wannabe to respect all of the people? I am unwilling to take that chance.
Not to change the subject, but I just saw that Hillary is going to be on Larry King Live on Monday.
You can email questions or send a vido clip.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/
That video from the Nation is dizzying in its cockiness.
Obama has all the maturity of the adolescent boys who worship him. I’m sure he’s throwing down signs and playing “black guy” all he can, just to give them a thrill.
He’s come a long way since the days of “hope” and “change”–which was only what, a few months back?
I can’t help thinking that if he makes those gestures about John McCain, he’s going to have a bunch of angry bad ass Vets hunting him down.
Obama did it because she is a woman and he thinks that he can get away with insulting her. He knows he can’t intimidate her because she’s meaner and tougher than he is.
He wouldn’t have the guts to do this to McCain because Grandpa McCain would probably sneak into his house in the middle of the night and beat the crap out of him.
And then wipe his crappy shoes on Barack’s doorstep.
His fairy-tale campaign’s facade is beginning to fall.
Yes, the mask is coming off and we are starting to see the real person underneath.
And it’s not a pretty sight.
I think this is what over confidence looks like.
Seriously, this is still going on?
YOU REALLY ARE OVERDOING THE BIT ABOUT BEING SILLY AND IRRELEVANT
Harping about why would Obama scratch his face with his right hand when he is left handed, WHILE OBAMA INCREASED HIS LEAD OVER CLINTON
And Obama is getting endorsements:
HTTP://ROBERTREICH.BLOGSPOT.COM/
FRIDAY, APRIL 18, 2008
Obama for President
The formal act of endorsing a candidate is generally (and properly)limited to editorial pages and elected officials whose constituents might be influenced by their choice. The rest of us shouldn’t assume anyone cares. My avoidance of offering a formal endorsement until now has also been affected by the pull of old friendships and my reluctance as a teacher and commentator to be openly partisan. But my conscience won’t let me be silent any longer.
I believe that Barack Obama should be elected President of the United States.
Although Hillary Clinton has offered solid and sensible policy proposals, Obama’s strike me as even more so. His plans for reforming Social Security and health care have a better chance of succeeding. His approaches to the housing crisis and the failures of our financial markets are sounder than hers. His ideas for improving our public schools and confronting the problems of poverty and inequality are more coherent and compelling. He has put forward the more enlightened foreign policy and the more thoughtful plan for controlling global warming.
He also presents the best chance of creating a new politics in which citizens become active participants rather than cynical spectators. He has energized many who had given up on politics. He has engaged young people to an extent not seen in decades. He has spoken about the most difficult problems our society faces, such as race, without spinning or simplifying. He has rightly identified the armies of lawyers and lobbyists that have commandeered our democracy, and pointed the way toward taking it back.
Finally, he offers the best hope of transcending the boundaries of class, race, and nationality that have divided us. His life history exemplifies this, as do his writings and his record of public service. For these same reasons, he offers the best possibility of restoring America’s moral authority in the world.
posted by Robert Reich | 9:49 AM
SUNDAY, APRIL 13, 2008
Obama, Bitterness, Meet the Press, and the Old Politics
I was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania, 61 years ago. My father sold $1.98 cotton blouses to blue-collar women and women whose husbands worked in factories. Years later, I was secretary of labor of the United States, and I tried the best I could – which wasn’t nearly good enough – to help reverse one of the most troublesome trends America has faced: The stagnation of middle-class wages and the expansion of povety. Male hourly wages began to drop in the early 1970s, adjusted for inflation. The average man in his 30s is earning less than his father did thirty years ago. Yet America is far richer. Where did the money go? To the top.
Are Americans who have been left behind frustrated? Of course. And their frustrations, their anger and, yes, sometimes their bitterness, have been used since then — by demagogues, by nationalists and xenophobes, by radical conservatives, by political nuts and fanatical fruitcakes – to blame immigrants and foreign traders, to blame blacks and the poor, to blame “liberal elites,” to blame anyone and anything.
Rather than counter all this, the American media have wallowed in it. Some, like Fox News and talk radio, have given the haters and blamers their very own megaphones. The rest have merely “reported on” it. Instead of focusing on how to get Americans good jobs again; instead of admitting too many of our schools are failing and our kids are falling behind their contemporaries in Europe, Japan, and even China; instead of showing why we need a more progressive tax system to finance better schools and access to health care, and green technologies that might create new manufacturing jobs, our national discussion has been mired in the old politics.
Listen to this morning’s “Meet the Press” if you want an example. Tim Russert, one of the smartest guys on television, interviewed four political consultants – Carville and Matalin, Bob Schrum, and Michael Murphy. Political consultants are paid huge sums to help politicians spin words and avoid real talk. They’re part of the problem. And what do Russert and these four consultants talk about? The potential damage to Barack Obama from saying that lots of people in Pennsylvania are bitter that the economy has left them behind; about HRC’s spin on Obama’s words (he’s an “elitist,” she said); and John McCain’s similarly puerile attack.
Does Russert really believe he’s doing the nation a service for this parade of spin doctors talking about potential spins and the spin-offs from the words Obama used to state what everyone knows is true? Or is Russert merely in the business of selling TV airtime for a network that doesn’t give a hoot about its supposed commitment to the public interest but wants to up its ratings by pandering to the nation’s ongoing desire for gladiator entertainment instead of real talk about real problems.
We’re heading into the worst economic crisis in a half century or more. Many of the Americans who have been getting nowhere for decades are in even deeper trouble. Large numbers of people in Pennsylvania and across the nation are losing their homes and losing their jobs, and the situation is likely to grow worse. Consumers are at the end of their ropes, fuel and food costs are skyrocketing, they can’t go deeper into debt, they can’t pay their bills. They aren’t buying, which means every business from the auto industry to housing to even giant GE is hurting. Which means they’ll begin laying off more people, and as they do, we will experience an even more dangerous downward spiral.
Bitter? You ain’t seen nothing yet. And as much as people like Russert, Carville, Matalin, Schrum, and Murphy want to divert our attention from what’s really happening; as much as HRC and McCain seek to make political hay out of choices of words that can be spun cynically by the mindless spinners of the old politics; as much as demagogues on the right and left continue to try to channel the cumulative frustrations of Americans into a politics of resentment – all these attempts will, I hope, prove futile. Eighty percent of Americans know the nation is on the wrong track. The old politics, and the old media that feeds it, are irrelevant now.
posted by Robert Reich | 11:26 AM
FRIDAY, APRIL 11, 2008
yawn…..filing nails
I think Gator types very well for 9 yr. old.
Robert Reich! He was an hysterical joke in corporate America in the 90s. He made this silly assed videos with W. Edwards Deming, pretending he actually knew a fraction as much as Deming. In the videos, the little troll Reich actually talked to a freaking cartoon parrot on his shoulder.
Barak (real spelling like his daddy) Obama will. Never. Be. President.
Keep it brief, Gator. Like this: “Waaah! Bawack got pounded! Waaah! Call a waaahmbulance!”
Obama is vaidating the suspicion that he is not only arrogant, but sexist as well.
Lots of women have really had it with him–this gesture put him right over the top. I wasnt a groan-up in the White House, not a disrespectful adolescent.
Wow, bitter (oops, pun intended) Robert Reich, and conservative Dem. Sam Nunn.. yep, that’ll do it.
Gator before you copy some talking points that were handed to you know what you are talking about and look in the issues. You mention the economy and you show or ignorance on the subject.
Obama 3 economic advisors are Goolsbee, Cutler, and Liebman. Goolsbee is a professor at the U of Chicago and a disciple of Milton Freedman and in case you didn’t know is the godfather of Reaganomics. He is a free market economist who believes that the market place should be the determining factor in health care. He is against single payer health care. Liebman is his economist on Health Care issue and thinks that increase in cost is good because it will drive market stratgies that will improve the quality of care. We have been down this road before. Liebman was in Clinton’s administration and was his advisor on SS issues. He recommended to Clinton that we should privatize Social Security a boon to Wall Street. He left the administration and wasn’t ask to participate in Hillary’s campaign.
Wall Street is in love with Obama for his advising team. He has gotten more in money from them than all the other candidates combined.
But you are attempting to talk about the issues.
you are so full of it! get over yourself.
TWO MORE SUPER DELEGATES (THAT’S 3 TODAY) ENDORSE OBAMA:
Boren, Nunn Endorse Obama
18 Apr 2008 12:24 pm
Two major stars of the Democratic foreign policy establishment — former Sens. Sam Nunn and David Boren, have just endorsed Barack Obama and have agreed to serve on his national security team. Nunn served as the Democratic Party’s coverman in foreign policy debates for two decades. He voted against the 1991 Gulf War and thereby gave many other Democrats permission to take that political risk. He’s a social conservative in many respects, too. More recently, Nunn has associated himself with the cause of nuclear nonproliferation. He spent 8 years as chairman of the Armed Services committee in the Senate. Boren left the Senate in 1994 and is a former chairman of what used to be called the Senate Select Committee on intelligence. He also spent 16 years as governor of Oklahoma. In the statements they provided to the Obama campaign, both Nunn and Boren sound Obama-esque notes. Here’s Nunn: “Demonizing the opposition, oversimplifying the issues, and dumbing down the political debate prevent our country from coming together to make tough decisions and tackle our biggest challenges.” Here’s Boren: ““Our most urgent task is to end the divisions in our country, to stop the political bickering, and to unite our talents and efforts. Americans of all persuasions are pleading with our political leaders to bring us together. I believe Senator Obama is sincerely committed to that effort. He has made a non-partisan approach to all issues a top priority.” Last summer, Boren held private talks with associates of Mayor Mike Bloomberg about a possible independent presidential bid.
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Gator, no one is disputing that your guy will most likely be able to steal him some nomination, and then he will be Mondaled in November.
Hey Palomino, I’m disputin plenty. He ain’t gettin no nomination. He goin back to Chicago. He gonna be a county commissioner and take care of all dem boys o his in da hood. No more senate seat for the dumb boodoo. No more standing lunches for Mr. Barack. No more big money for nuttin. Home boy gonna have to strut his stuff in the windy city. He gonna put on the boy tie and make his Farrakhn make over complete. He gonna walk tuff and try so hard to be black it’s gonna hurt. He ain’t got rhythm and we know he ain’t got soul.. so what he gonna do in Chicago?
ha, that’s funny. cause that was almost racist.
I typo-ed on the bow tie. I wrote boy tie.
Shoot. That is funny.
fist of all, our candidate isn’t OUR GUY. SHE IS OUR LADY CANDIDATE. hillary doesn’t have to steal anything or use dog whistle insults to get crowds to love her like your guy.
pssst…silly lil Obama-BOT..check this out….
s workers
BRAVO EBONY…
I’m disputing that Obama will get the nod. He’s letting his facade droop and the true Obama is beginning to show–and he’s much worse than his unctuous persona. It’s a long time to August.
If we Hillary supporters are so clueless and wrong, why are Kool Aid and the Gang here to argue with us?
Ummm….me thinks they protest too much….
if he is so close to the nomination, why is he spending 80 gajillion dollars in PA?
Mary Jo….I hope you are right….If GROWNUPS who want to win the WH in Nov. elbow past the Terrible infants who are trying to RIGG THIS ELECTION…and bring some sanity back to the party.
Well, Robert Reich is THRILLED that you consider him a MAJOR figure. The only reason he gets any press at all is because he was, WAIT FOR IT…in Clinton administration.
BTW, Clinton picked up three SD’s today and, unfortunately for you, Tuesday is another BIG primary in a BIG state — and we know what that means.
reich probably hopes he just might get a job. he already knows his big mouth has finished him with the clintons. follow the money. and as for the “boss”. that was a disappointment. i wondered if kerry was whispering in his ear.
these dim elites are setting up the ruin of the party. it has been coming for a long time
If I am not mistaken, neither Boren nor Nunn are super-delegates.
Their endorsements are merely that, endorsements!
The gansta motif suits the man.
I have to work this weekend so can’t rewatch the debate and make a list of his lies. there should be a thread about them with the quotes and reason why they are outrageous lies.
no handwriting on gun stance, no lobby money, disown (till called on it), just a guy in my neighborhood (same as he said about his farrakhan tie) he didn’t attack hillary about bosnia - what others?
well in my humble opinion the rap and gansta culture doesn’t add that much to the aa community. i can see where to a point it would attrack attention and support. but i think it has reached current levels because tv and movies push it. if i was a member of the aa community i would be ticked off to see these influences being presented all the time in the media. i would want folks to know that there is much more to the community than that. also the long term influence of women bashing, violence, etc will have bad returns which we are seeing right now in obama’s use of it and the crowd’s reaction.
The ones adversely affected are the ones who aren’t going to church.
In Black communities the church is much more than just Sunday sermons, it’s a way of life. When they leave it for other persuits — a good example is Whitney Houston — they go down hill.
Gangsta rap and it’s offshoots exist, because the kids never got inspiration and sense of purpose hanging around on the street. Their God is some gang leader, their congregation is gang mates (can you imagine Snoop Dog in church??). Same can be said of the gang ridden Latino communities.
[...] lost me as a fan as he spent the better part of a day and posted not one, not two or three, but four times making the accusation. And this was a guy that used to work for the [...]
Here’s a laundry list of Obama lies, and it is continually updated.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/?page_id=15
you might also like slickbarry.com
Someone needs to post the mashup here. The Nation seems to think it is great for Obama - but it simply confirms that Obama is out of touch with white midwestern middle class working people. Not being a hip hop fan myself, I didn’t even catch the white racist code until I saw it in the mashup. This once again shows that when Obama goes to the south he campaigns with racist code words and gestures. This clip is just the same as the bamboozled clips in South Carolina and Mississippi. It’s black racist code, just like Ronald Reagan’s white racist code in 1980. Perhaps this explains Obama’s admiration of Ronald Reagan.
LOL…Damn those Pesky crackers…there’s just too many of them…
send the nation an email about it. i did. i used to hear all this limo liberal bashing from the conservatives and thought naw, no way. now i am beginning to wonder.
Sorry about the mistype. I meant to write:
Not being a hip hop fan myself, I didn’t even catch the black racist code until I saw it in the mashup.
Same here Greenly. It’s all lowlife street trash stuff to me.
I thought of an actually bearable rap tune
“Ooohhh…Ladies First, Ladies First”
I believe that’s Queen Latifah. And I would pay ten dollars to see her pick up Obama and gentrify him.
The Queen could do it with a glance…
Reposting the slo-mo close-up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWTpYlU-UI
It was just a matter of time when some Democrats would go after Obama because he is black and likes hip hop.
It’s pretty clear from the other side video out there that he has two fingers up - not one.
Here’s the link, racist tool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWTpYlU-UI
bullxxxx!
No wonder they don’t want to count FL/MI, then can’t fucking count!
ok, i can’t f. spell, either.
THEY = o-trons
Yesss, thats what this is all about…he’s black and likes hip-hop. Yesss, thats it!
It couldn’t be because he’s a hack, lowlife politician doing ANYTHING to get this nomination (see Michigan, Florida for details). Could it be? Nope.
Definitely, cause he’s black (well, he’s sorta black) except when he’s taking the campaign contributions from the rich, white people…then he’s a 1/2 white HARVARD man.
Vote for Obama — He’s a little bit left and a little bit right….a little bit black and a little bit white.
I am over being called a racist - it is like being a liberal used to be. Too bad that when you cry woof enough times people stop listening.
Agree….I’m over that whole WHITE GUILT shit too…I vote responsibly as an informed democratic voter. I’m pro-civil rights everybody. He is the wrong candiate and there are plenty of good AA politicians who don’t play this game in a UBER SILLY desperate attempt to build PHONY STREET CRED.
deke
According to Greg Mankiw a Harvard professor and former chief White House economist for President George W. Bush the three economic advisor to Obama: Goolsbee, Cutler, and Liebman
They’re all top-notch economists. Their views are left of the political center, as one would expect, but only slightly.
Hear that? Left of center.
I’ll have to take Greg’s word over yours because he seems to know his stuff.
Not according to Krugman or any other liberal economist. Why don’t you go to the web site where there credentials are stated. Mankiw is a conservative free market economists and is not repected in progressive communities.
That is not a gotcha because you don’t know what free market economics is.
But I like you because you are trying keep it up do some more research it’s good for you. But do it yourself!
ps don’t take anyones word prove it yourself
Two words — Milton Friedman.
However, it’s interesting that Dumbya’s Chief Economic Advisor “knows his stuff” in your estimation. I doubt that any other sentient being feels the same.
Obama is a coward. Even if you have doubts whether he flipped her off there is more in the video and it’s all bad. His brushing off his shoulder and his cleaning off his shoes are all in reference to Clinton. And all this with a big smile on his face; enough to give you chills and come to the realization that he is indeed a thug.
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OK, I gotta admit–a light came down, I had an epiphany, and I almost choked on my grilled radickio when I got myself edickated about these ridickulous charges against Barack Obama. I haven’t been so outraged in almost a dickade. Come on, ladies, and I do mean all you ladies of both genders–fess up. You just wanna geld Howard Dean, sell his nads on e-Bay and use the proceeds to help Shrillary steal the nomination. Well, that schdick gets old. It must be addicktive, too. If this indicktrination campaign is any indickation, you’re trying to intimidate the undicklared superdelegates. That spells “traitor” in my dicktionary. It’s just ludickrous.
Someone who thinks hip hop culture is appropriate for the White House is not fit to be president. This behavior is beyond the pale, and he should. This is outside of the mainstream. It is out of touch. It is sexist. He must be defeated. He is influencing children, my children, and I am scared.
I posted earlier about the night of NH and Obama playing JayZ’s 99 Problems song, and how it was meant for Hillary.
This is misogynistic gangsta shit with no apologies whatsoever. I just went to Ackerman’s website, and this was just posted.
ChrisWWW Says:
April 17th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
You are now tuned into the motherf**king greatest!
When/if Obama finally defeats Clinton, he should have his campaign play 99 Problems.
Palomino
You’re drinking the Kool-aid of hate. That’s not a flip off. Have you seen this view:
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/4/18/102120/357/8#8
Watch the clip. At 19:57 he touches is face and again at 20:57 he does the same with BOTH fingers. It’s the second one that people pay attention to because he mentions Clinton. But no one is saying anything about the one he does at 19:57. Throughout the speech he touches his face at least 5 times. A habit perhaps but not a flip off.
Obama’s out of touch relation to hip hop, jayzee, fingering clinton and whatever else is outside of the mainstream. He also does not speak in a Presidential manner. He is a scourge, unelectable, out of touch. He scares me, and I do not want to expose my children to such filth.
is this a symbol of his “superior judgement”?
The issue is it is not natural that you would unconsciously scratch yourself with the middle finger. I sure you have never done it. But thats the opinion here and the only one who knows the truth is Obama and he’s not talk. In the mean time we can all speculate here.
Thanks anyway, Mod, but I believe my lyin’ eyes and ears. And I don’t have time for hate, which is not the same thing as calling out Barry O. for a sexist, cowardly, dick move. What a charmer.
sexist and cowardly? yeah that describes obama very well.
If the audience reacted as to one finger, and one finger fitted the context — then maybe the second finger visible from only a particular angle was plausible deniability.
Mod…How do you splain away that shit eatin grin of his…C’mon…He was playin to the crowd…
If you watch this clip (from a different angle) there is no doubt something happened based on the audience’s reaction. So what if he had two fingers most of the time, initially it looks like one and the crowd goes crazy:
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/obama_fingers_a_gotcha_debate.html
The finger gesture is at 1:24 and the crowd laughs and claps; one woman doesn’t get the joke til 1:34 when her friend explains it, then she laughs like crazy. What else explains their laughter? He wasn’t speaking at the time. Unfortunately I doubt anyone present will tell us what happened.
Comment by alibe | 2008-04-18 19:03:57
It is unbelievable that there are videos of Obama saying the same speech in front of 2 separate audiences! At the same point in EACH speech, he takes his middle finger and pretends to scratch his nose. It is at the point where he says “Hillay is in her element”. I have seen this gesture before. The audience understands what he has done. They are in on the joke. Their response is inappropriate if they don’t get the gesture. Like I said, there are 2 separate videos with 2 separate audiences. The speech was pre written as they are identical. At the same point in each speech, he does the stupid gesture. the one video, from ABC news http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4675790&affil=wtae (there is also a You tube video of the ABC one) shows the best angle and in listening to it you get the irrefutable proof. The other video is very similar but not quite as obvious, but you get the point. The audience in that video are less in on the joke. Notice the different people in the audiences even though he has the same suit and tie on.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNO58WdUptUIt is best to use 2 laptops and watch both at the same time. It is shocking that he would do something this stupid. Can you say Maccaca?
Wow. My spouse was dubious when I showed him one video, but TWICE did it.
Yes, this MUST get out.
Obama is poison to the democratic party.
Larry,
Pass the above comment on to Hillary campaign. Get the 2 videos…..make sure you get the ones that have the two different audiences.
The Obama surrogates has made race as an issue in this primary (with the blessings of the Obama campaign?) and race bait, too ,maybe as a counterpoint to whatever future controversies and scandals that Obama might have in the future. He has made race and race baiting the central portion of his campaign. It is with a certainty that Obama surrogates(with the blessings of the Obama campaign?) will answer every controversy and scandal with statements pertaining to race.
So what could the Clinton team (and surrogates) must do in order to counteract it? The only thing that they (Clinton team and surrogates) could really do is to be careful of what they say in public so that the other party (Obama team and surrogates) would not have any ammunition for race baiting. Because that is what it is. Race baiting.
Remember the time when the Somali tribal dress that Barack wore in 2006 and was leaked thru the Drudge Report? David Plouffe immidiately accused the Clinton team of ’shameful offensive fear-mongering’. Then there is the op-ed of Orlando Patterson in the NY times which tried to put race in the 3am ad of Sen. Clinton.To qoute the 1st paragraph of the op-ed:
“On first watching Hillary Clinton’s recent “It’s 3 a.m.” advertisement, I was left with an uneasy feeling that something was not quite right — something that went beyond my disappointment that she had decided to go negative. Repeated watching of the ad on YouTube increased my unease. I realized that I had only too often in my study of America’s racial history seen images much like these, and the sentiments to which they allude.” And that is only the 1st paragraph.
Then there is the latest “brushing the dirt off the shoulder” incident which the Obama surrogates(?) has linked to the Jay Z song, “Dirt Off Your Shoulder”, a racially charged song (see this web link and judge for yourself.)
This can be construed as race baiting tactics of the Obama team and surrogates. It only needs a spark which Geraldine Ferraro unfortunately started. That is why the Clinton team and surrogates must be very careful of what they say or email to each other.
Please forward to your friends because it is imperative that the American people know who the real Barack Obama is and the way it is seen by me is he wants the race card to be front and foremost always. This could be his strategy up to the GE ( in case he wins the primary) and, heaven forbid, up to the presidency ( in case he wins it.)
In order for me to change this perspective on Obama, he must prove to me by his actions that this perspective is wrong. Otherwise, it will just strenghten it.
This isn’t race based. It is the fact that he is crude and coarse and not ready for prime time. He is nuts to think he can use that gesture twice in the same day in front of two different audiences. the fact that he has done that and made the same gesture guarantees it was no accident. It was a deliberate slur against Hillary. But the real victim is Obama.
if you had the stomach and the videos, then review all of them. you would find this isn’t the first time ole barry did the insult. this is not new; this guy has been doing it for awhile.
I wouldn’t worry about him getting to the Presidency. One thing you gotta give the Republicans — they know how to run a dirtier campaign than Obama could EVER come up with in his fevered imagination.
ITS WHAT THEY DO. They don’t govern competently but they will, quite cheerfully, gut him so ferociously that he’ll win D.C and Illinois (if he’s lucky).
And unlike the Democrats, they don’t give a rat’s ass if you call them racist. That only saves them from having to tap out the code.
Sorry. link here http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/dirtoffyourshoulder.html
I really enjoy the way he slurs the words, “Solraight” during his speech. Also, he clearly used his middle finger to make a subliminal point about his own supposed injustice during his speech.
Good God, this will be played in an endless loop during the GE, and it will go over so well with the over 35 crowd in the big 10 states. Why would I want another fucking idiot fratboy for my president?
is obama jut being rude to his opponent?
or petulant?
or
is he doing some “dog whistling” of his own.
his campaign having run the campaign they have,
depending on a strong black vote in some states as they have,
and there being substantial numbers of black voters in n. carolina,
i’m guessing the latter.
obama is whistling up support in n. carolina.
he needs to recover from the debate
and from what he fears will happen in penn,
based on his campaign’s polling.
Okay, I don’t think he flipped anyone off. Some of you believe he did. Fine. I get that.
Play along with me for a minute, though. This is purely hypothetical.
What if incontrovertible evidence proving beyond any shadow of any doubt popped up? How would those of you who claim to see the extended middle digit react?
*Would you apologize? Would you concede the error?
*Would you just move on to the next day’s mini-scandal, pretending as if nothing ever happened with Fingergate?
*Would you refuse to acknowledge the evidence, pretending as if it happened even though you would know better?
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a three-way tie in terms of the response.
Your buddy,
John Brown
Mark Teahen Needs a Bigger Glove
Do better turd polisher.
You’re gassing like Limbaugh.
Simple question… and that’s your best answer…
Yours,
John Brown
Not Surprised
Can you picture JFK, the real JFK, doing these moves? Does this make the Kennedy clan proud of their choice of who to pass the torch to in a new generation?
i’ve been wondering about that myself. we all know teddy’s just a bitter old drunk with an ax to grind. but caroline has been strangely quiet lately - is she embarrassed? same for maria shriver. don’t know if they came to their senses (and don’t care), but if i were in their shoes i’d hide out.
just think how jackie would feel. jackie had culture and elegance. this crude man and his even more crude wife pretend they’re the next jfk and jackie. the real jackie would be sickened.
i don’t hear much from oprah either. i wonder if her falling poll numbers got her attentin. she has a lot of ambition and making bad decisons doesn’t help.
It’s been good for Ellen….But I have’nt watched the OPRASPHERE in a while….She’s so full of herself she makes me feel suffocated in my own living room….
I watched the wonders of JFK. Barrack Obama is no JFK.
Heading for bed. Nite all. Let me know when you figure out that rap crap. It’s all crap to me.
Hakuna Makaka.Oh, Lord. I coughed upa lung laughing at this. Thanks! I needed that.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
The finger is … plausibly deniable. But if there was really a pattern of gestures that links to a song with violent and/or racist lyrics — did Obama really say he got that song from his children?
Maybe that’s what they sing in Wright’s Sunday School?
This guy’s damage control seems to be going from bad to worse.
Wright tapes -> racist grandmother -> typical white person.
‘Guns and religion’ -> six-shooter in a duck blind and Annie Oakley.
Losing a debate -> gangster music -> got it from his children.
That’s because some of us think he’s a traitor to, a gosh darned enemy of, America.
We don’t appalued traitors, unless we’re bowling with them.
applaud, sorry, my morning fugue state most have taken over….
I’ve been reading blogs about this matter for the past two days and I find it very interesting that no one who was present at the event has written anything in Obama’s defense, that no one has come forward to explain why else the crowd chose that particular moment to laugh, clap and cheer. In a speech full of sly gestures, gestures count.
I find it very interesting that trolls can’t think of better nicknames. They’re as disposible as their comments.
ChrisXP:
You’re criticizing my screen name? Are you 12? Get a life. (PS It’s “disposable”.)
A. Yes, an F for originality.
B. I’m probably old enough to be your mom — strike — grandma.
C. Already have a life, and one of the jobs I do is babysit kids online — too bad I can’t use a switch to tan some backsides.
D. Thanks in reminding me that I haven’t finished my cup of coffee. }:>
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I have posted a couple times saying the clips of Obama giving her the finger is actually at two different speeches as the people are different by him. He spoke at least twice in NC that day…April 17. The first link is good. the second won’t link but here is the youtube info. I don’t know what I am doing wrong. Barack OBAMA FLIPS HILLARY THE BIRD After PA Debate
00:50 From: Aharleygyrl …YouTube
I AM AMAZED AT THE LATTITUDE THAT OBAMA IS GIVEN COMPARED TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT OR THE FORMER First Lady.
WHEN THE LITTLE PRECIOUS PULLED THE RACE CARD IN SC THE PRESS BLAMED BILL CLINTON , SCREAMED AND CARRIED ON, THEN HILLARY DARE NOT GET TO ROUGH WITH THE PRECIOUS ONE OR TED KENNEDY WILL THRASH HER OUT.
HOWEVER PRECIOUS CAN GIVE HER THE FINGER, CAN MAKE THE SOUNDS OF A KNIFE GOING IN, AS THOUGH SHE HAD KNIFED HIM IN THE DEBATE AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST THE MOTIONS OF BRUSHING HER OFF.
SORRY FOLKS THIS IS TOO MUCH MOB LIKE FOR MY THINKING. HE IS ACTING LIKE THE LEADER OF A STREET GANG. THIS IS TRULY THE LOWEST GUTTER ACTION I HAVE EVER WITNESSED BY SOMEONE ABOUT TO BE INSTALLED AS THE NOMINEE FOR THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. I SAY INSTALLED BECAUSE AFTER I HEARD HOW THEY ARE POLLING ONLY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND INDEPENDENTS I NO LONGER BELIEVE THE POLLS. SO HE IS BEING INSTALLED, TOTALLY WITHOUT ANY OF THE PEOPLE S VOICES BEING G HEARD LET ALONE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN, HE WON’T PERMIT THEM TO BE COUNTED. IS THIS REALLY AMERICA, THAT ONE LITTLE PRECIOUS CAN PREVENT 2 MILLION PEOPLES VOICES FROM BEING HEARD. WOW WAKE UP PEOPLE.
SMELL THE COFFEE.
Duck and Cover…..
Ah, I woke up this morning singing “fools paradise” by the blasters.
I wonder what I dreamt of last night?
heh.
Your having wet dreams about Obama?
If he wasn’t flipping her the bird, why were all the Obamites laughing after he did it?
The knife thing was nasty. The dirt thing was nasty.
Obama’s nasty.
Obama is NOT presidential material. He doesn’t take this seriously. I DO!! IT’S MY (OUR) COUNTRY.
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LOOK AT THIS:
Photos of Obama’s circle of friends and affiliations:
http://www.jeffhead.com/obamacircle.htm
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I want to contact this guy, because I can add way MORE!
I especially want Rashid Khalidi (PLO, ETC) on this list.
If anyone is interested… MSNBC covered the “finger” controversy today (video clip is on their main page right now)… EXCEPT — they completely manipulated the video and put it out of order so it makes no sense. It is TOTALLY biased, and leaves you with impression that we who believe he did it are making a big deal over nothing. HOW DARE THEY?
Quick update: the video is off the MSNBC front page now but here’s the link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24204755#24204755
After lurking here for some time and enjoying the refreshing change from the usual “Obama-love” in other sites, I thought that I’d pitch in. I’m with statbabe on this one. The other angle shows that it wasn’t just the middle finger, and besides there was only one speech made. There is no point acting like the deranged Obama cult on Daily Kos or Huffington Post. However, it is also clear that many in the audience did think that he was insulting Hillary with a derogatory gesture, which says a lot about the people he attracts. In addition, and a lot more telling in my opinion, were the rest of the gestures that he made during the speech. The bump and grind a la Reverend Wright and the brushing off his shoulders emulation of a misogynist gangster rap song were despicable and unseemly. It clearly indicated that he is a lightweight, thin-skinned, not-ready-for-prime-time candidate, in the same mold as the current uncouth President who is an embarrassment every time he is abroad with his frat-boy antics. Hillary for President!
“brushing off his shoulders emulation of a misogynist gangster rap song”..
Has anyone taken the time to consider what the song means in CONTEXT?
Probably not, because then you’d all know that you are stupid for coming to the conclusions that I see here.
The song’s intent is to push the notion that a person should ignore detractors, especially those that have frivilous intentions, or meaningless issues to take up with you.
Brush them away, don’t address them. It has nothing to do for Obama about being a pimp, or stabbing women (also out of context, even for Jay-Z’s intent).
Now maybe Obama is using this to duck questions, or to passively sling mud back by saying “Look, I’m taking the ‘high road’ by brusing this off.
But only the the stupid people or those intending to misrepresent this could come to the conclusion that Obama seeks to align himself with gangster rap, or wants Hillary to get stabbed.
enjoying the refreshing change from the usual “Obama-love” in other sites
Fresh air is intoxicating, innit?
says a lot about the people he attracts
Reams.
a lightweight, thin-skinned, not-ready-for-prime-time candidate
Not ever ready for any time.
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