Barack: Befuddled, Taken to School [Update]
By SusanUnPC on April 19, 2008 at 11:58 AM in ABC News, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Pennsylvania
UPDATE: The April 18th blog post to which the panel refers is “Fisking Barack Obama — Deconstructing the Philly debate,” by Pete Wehner. (And, below, I’ve added a short excerpt from Wehner’s article as well as excerpts from a WSJ blog post about the McCain campaign that refers to Wehner’s article, and to the growing problems in the Obama campaign.)
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Yes, they are all arch-conservatives, but I found their observations about Barack Obama and his befuddlement in his Wednesday debate responses to be fascinating:
They make negative comments about Hillary Clinton as well, but that goes with the territory that they all inhabit. I decided to post this anyway because the observations about Obama are worth considering.
UPDATE: The Hume panel refers to “Fisking Barack Obama — Deconstructing the Philly debate,” by Pete Wehner. Here’s a very short excerpt that’s worth noting:
These issues were entirely appropriate to raise — and, in fact, several of them have not been asked of Obama before, including Obama’s relationship with William Ayers (the former leader of the Weather Underground). Obama, after all, was given a chance to respond in full, and there are few questions that should be declared out of bounds for presidential candidates. There was no “specious and gossipy trivia” (to quote the close-to-unhinged Tom Shales in Thursday’s Washington Post). And the debate did not focus exclusively on those issues; there were questions about Iraq, Iran, taxes, guns, affirmative action, and other topics. This debate, more than most, was enlightening and useful. Obama’s supporters are enraged that he would be treated like any other candidate running for president. …
In searching for that blog post, I ran across this WSJ blog article yesterday:
Political Perceptions: An Unorthodox McCain Campaign Emerges
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McCain will, Martin writes, “lean heavily” on the well-funded Republican National Committee to perform some campaign functions; will decentralize his campaign by relying on “an unconventional structure of 10 regional campaign managers”; and “will rely on free media to an unprecedented degree to get out his message in a fashion that aims to not only minimize his financial disadvantage but also drive a triangulated contrast among himself, the Democratic nominee and President Bush.” The problem is, Martin notes, that nobody is sure such a strategy can work.
The recapping of Wednesday night’s Democratic debate in Pennsylvania continues, with Pete Wehner writing on National Review Online that the “debate was a bad one for Senator Obama, both substantively and in style. He was on the defensive because of associations he’s had, things he’s said, and positions he’s embraced.
Indeed, the last six weeks have been damaging ones for him. People who were once impressed with Obama are beginning to wonder if the image he projects — post-partisan, post-ideological, post-racial, a uniquely unifying and hopeful figure for America — is deeply at odds with the man himself.” Wehner, a former Bush White House speechwriter who once was higher on Obama now concludes that “for Barack Obama, the magic is gone.”
The New York Times’ David Brooks agrees, noting that over the course of the primaries Obama has moved from an unconventional leader to a run-of-the-mill politician and liberal. “He sprinkled his debate performance Wednesday night with the sorts of fibs, evasions and hypocrisies that are the stuff of conventional politics,” Brooks notes. He cited Obama’s assertion that he never attacked Sen. Hillary Clinton for her remarks about the Tuzla airport. Then he denounced taking other candidates’ words out of context — something he has done with McCain’s 100 years in Iraq comment. On top of that he “made a pair of grand and cynical promises” about taxes in Iraq, which he may very well have to renege on if he’s president. “It was inevitable that the period of ‘Yes We Can!’ deification would come to an end,” Brooks says. “It was not inevitable that Obama would now look so vulnerable.
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Read all of “Political Perceptions: An Unorthodox McCain Campaign Emerges.”
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I can’t believe that I’m in agreement with Faux News pundits…it’s like the planet went through some weird wormhole back in 2000 and wound up in some alternate universe where everything is backwards and upside down. Uffda…I need to lie down.
Yeah, we’re all thru the looking glass now!
Things are getting curiouser and curiouser
yes I too am on the Dark Side for media coverage
but if we have to listen to Faux
I do it with Eddie and the Cruisers in the background
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J9uP8qqgm-c
On the Dark Side
http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/rezkowatch-presents-pundita-barack.html
Apparently, David Pfouffle, Obama’s campaign manager, is mafia connected?
I mean, DAMN!
Howard Dean is pure genius, only the best for the people of America, from ole Howard…
There was also some things I’ve read about an Obama bff that is with Broadway Bank in Chicago, with those same issues.
Do the people that are screaming that the debate was unfair to Obama because it gave ammo to the GOP for November actually realize that the GOP knows all of this and MORE?
Howard, et al, were so desperate for an image candidate that they neglected to remember that the moderates and the swing voters are what win it for Democrats. He need only look at Bill Clinton’s win, and Al Gore’s win (!) to see that.
The Obama toads were all over the internet yesterday telling us that “they don’t need us!” to win in November. Ummm yah, good luck with that.
Catriley I always like your post. Since FDR the democratic party has been a coalition party everytime we nominate a candidate that does not have across the board support among people within that coalition it loses election. Obama message ignores parts of that coalition and in many cases ridicules and puts them down. There is no magic to it broad coalition support wins strong support within 1 or 2 parts of the coalition loses.
Deke, though, you know, Pfouffle is, was questioned, or indicted in relation to the mafia, and polticians.
See, why would anyone want a candidate like Obama anywhere near the Presidency?
It has nothing to do with coalitions, or candidate legitimacy, and really, when I see that point brought up I think oh, a hijack, or someone not fully informed.
Obama is filth, should be in prison, Dean wants him in the presidency.
The man is either blind or drunk, or shit storm, (ss heh) stupid.
Probably all three.
My question, is, though, is Obama’s camp using the mafia to intimidate?
And how does the American mafia react to the feds?
Too much trouble?
And the greater issue is why are all these Washington politicians so eager to betray the American people, because that’s what they do when they promote an Obama.
And really, that is simply unforgivable.
Sorry Simon 2 your right. I took your post wrong I thought you were swooning over Obama. I should know you by now sorry.
Obama is so corrupt, the whole IL combine STEALS money from the taxpayers, resulting in higher insurance premiums, and taxes, among other things.
That’s my money Obama, and his cohorts are stealing, and I don’t like it.
Yours too, everyone who pays taxes.
At a minimum.
He’s also a traitor to our country.
It’s not cool, there is no such thing as “terrorist chic,” no matter how much money you have, or which Ivy league school you went to, or which magazine you edit, no matter the big glamorous city you live in, or the republican you support for President…
People have rocks in their heads…
(Sorry, just a vent).
He will never be elected president. The only sad part about that is the marginalization of the democratic party for a decade or so. Again.
“Do the people that are screaming that the debate was unfair to Obama because it gave ammo to the GOP for November actually realize that the GOP knows all of this and MORE?”
Yeah, Catriley. It’s like when concerned citizens mention that our chemical and nuke-you-lar power plants are insufficiently protected, and Bush screams that pointing this out will only give the tehrists big ideas.
The reason Fox News gets it’s publicity is because it’s not only conservatives who watch it. Believe half of O’Reilly’s regular audience are liberals — I rarely even watch him.
But Fox News has one thing CNN, MSNBC and over-the-air news stations don’t have: content. If you want to listen to issues, it’s the network to goto, as they spend more time nitpicking the details — the 6pm to 7pm slot especially — while CNN et al are more interested in puff pieces and feeding news to the masses.
This is why Dems can tune in with guilty pleasure now — especially since CNN et al are more into protecting Obama (Fox also can’t knock out Hillary, because if McInsane loses, conservatives will be angry at Fox for helping the enemy win by overplaying their hand).
Rendell said it best when he said At least Fox News hates all democrats equally…
Keep the deed to the house safe, because IT’S A TRICK!
If the questions in the first half of the debate were too tough for Cream Puff, I agree that we should spend a great deal of time reviewing his answers in the second half of the debate. He was completely unprepared for them as well. I guess he expected what happened in the previous debates where Senator Clinton gave a thorough and thoughtful answer to a question and then Cream Puff got to say, “Uh, um, I agree with Senator Clinton…”.
It’s only going to get tougher from here on, Cream Puff, you’d better start doing some homework.
to be quite candid, i’ll be delighted to see cream puff get “CREAMED”.
Obama is a delicate flower, and that’s why people freak out when he faces scrutiny. They like looking at their idealized delicate flower.
Susan,
Neo-Cons, not arch-conservatives. That’s like saying Zell Miller and Sam Nunn are San Francisco liberals.
Ha! Point well taken.
Those anal FOX guys are going to really let it go to their HEADS now.
The sensation they are all feeling is the one of being HONEST & realistic (as they see it).
It probably felt really much like how TWeety Feels when it goes up his leg or what ever nasty thing he said about ODrama! Ew.
These PUFFED (mostly male) shirts on all the channels need to “catch on” to the lesson THEY should also be learning after all of this! I don’t see it sinking in anywhere. :-/
Can you imagine what this is doing for their ratings? The hard core BOBO fan is no more a network viewer than I am a fan of hiphop. They only shout ABC, CNN, NBC, CBS because they see it on WHOPO or Kos and it is all monkey see, monkey do. Every time data comes out regarding viewership, the only one gaining is FOX.
Try Pete Wehner.
Bravo. Thank you. I found the blog piece, and am adding a link to it as an update.
One thing Pete Wehner, Charlie Gibson and the boys at Fox are dead wrong about is the effect of a capital gains tax cut (or any tax cut). While it is technically true that they increase revenue, they do not make up for what was lost by the cut. If you cut capital gains taxes by $20 billion there will be more selling of stock, which generates more taxes. Some of the money that would have gone to taxes will be invested giving a boost to the economy. However at best you will only make up for half of the revenues lost by the tax cut - $10 billion in this example. You will be short by $5 billion. This is the major reason that both Bush II and Reagan ballooned our debt. Their tax cuts were reckless. When Clinton raised taxes, he generated a surplus along with strong economic growth which benefited all income levels.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113002190_pf.html
I would like to see a comparison of cutting taxes vs. investing a comparable amount in things like R&D or rebuilding our infrastructure. I would bet in the long run, these tactics would create more economic growth and generate more tax revenue than tax cuts do.
I do not understand why neither Hillary nor Barack pointed out that Gibson was wrong about capital gains tax cuts. Democrats have allowed this lie to stand since Reagan and it hurts us badly. TAX CUTS NEVER PAY FOR THEMSELVES!!! Spread the word.
Barack didn’t point it out because he was still trying to figure out what Charlie was saying. I think Hillary was just enjoying watching someone else answer a question first. She’s helped him enough in the past. I guess she’s over it.
>>> I would bet in the long run, these tactics would create more economic growth and generate more tax revenue than tax cuts do.
I’d bet a $20 gold piece that the labor on a new mega-yacht (probably SE Asian) is paid a lot less than Davis-Bacon construction help on a domestic bridge or sewer/water project or the boys at Caterpillar, GE, Ingersoll-Rand, Buffalo Bomag, et al make cobbling up the machines and machine tools to make those projects happen.
Do I need to explain, “multiplier effect,” to you, or were you awake in Economics 217?
My point is: is $100,000,000 pissed away on some plastic ego-gratifier from Singapore more or less likely to benefit the Barber in Peoria than money spent widening roads?
And, which choice do YOU think a 34 year-old Fund Manager would make, if the choice were his?
Invest in the infrastructure of his own country?
Or, buy some piece of floating crap to increase his Nookie Quotient?
I thought it was great when they nailed him on being a leftist academic. This is really getting tribal. The generational devide is interesting too. Rich vs workingclass/poor…Black vs white…Male vs. female….Gay vs. straight…Obmessiah has played all sorts of cards, either up front or under the table. But what it boils down to is that for a lot of the traditional democratic base it is about Party leadership and what many feel is a betrayal of party principals. This anger ( at least for this workingclass cracker ) has been festering since the HIJACK OF 2000 and Selecting OBAMESSIAH is as big a mistake as Kerry was. When the party veers left we lose….The only chance we have against the GOP is the centrist platform interrupted by the HIJACK of 2000. No matter what the Puppet says to pander to his audience….He is of the Left and because of this the Democrats will lose. I think that despite what the polls say,…Pennsylvanians like tough people…Rendell and Nutter are a huge help to her. That’s kinda how it looks frm here, and I aint no mindless Hillbot either. Just common sense.
here’s what I really don’t get: Obama is not really a “leftist.” I would argue that he is more “centrist” and corporate than Hillary (one of the reasons I am supporting her over him). Leftists traditionally gave some weight to the interests of the working class, and Obama does not. He doesn’t attract working class voters either, with the exception of African Americans. He doesn’t favor universal healthcare, he’s dogwhistled Republican on social security, etc. etc. etc.
Oh, and he’s a lousy environmentalist.
Otherlisa…Look up the New Democrats on the net OK. OBAMESSIAH is a leftist puppet….Look at his puppeteers. Clinton/Gore admin. were New Democrats who challenged the party leadership n the 90’s and successfully began to move the party to the center. This is why the GOP hated Clinton ( both of them ) and Gore. They are New Demopcrats. Kennedy et, al. hate them too because they threatened their stranglehold on the party. When the leftish willingly TRASH THE MOST SUCCESSFUL DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION since FDR it is simply delusional PARTY SUICIDE. This is about the Liberals wanting to keep power within the party at all costs. Why ? Because with a centrist platform, ID politics is not dominant…Economics is.
But that’s just it. I think Obama actually is more about representing the interests of monied classes - I mean, from what I can tell, given the thinness of his record. It’s why he has all these former Republicans turned “Democrats” like Kos promoting him. It’s why he doesn’t support universal healthcare and why we really have to wonder if he’ll privatize social security, with all those Chicago School of economics guys on his team. When you have guys like Paul Krugman - a REAL liberal - questioning Obama’s economic policies and coming out in support of Clinton - again, who is the real progressive in the race? I don’t think it’s Obama.
I agree with the commenters who see him as sort of a blank slate - they can project all kinds of things on him because there’s so little of substance that’s actually there.
Understand, I AM a Liberal! And proud of it! And this is one of the reasons that I’m not supporting Obama.
At his core, I think he’s a little boy, constantly feeling the SHEER terror of maternal abandonment.
Strip it all away, and you have a frightened, terrified, parent-ally rejected trouble child.
Most kooks are just that.
And stupid.
You can play them like a fiddle.
Ok…I’m going on the principal that what the prince says or puts on his web site is not what he will do once in office. The republicans love him because they want to win in Nov. and his campaign tactics are doing what they have been trying to do for years, split the party.
Clinton is part of the New Democrats faction, which is centrist.Kennedy et, al are old guard Liberals and there are New Left which is another more radical faction. I take into context a lot of things with a candidate Platform, political assoc., words and actions, history etc… It is clear to me that the prince is what I call a Leftist Puppet ( puppet by virtue of political inexperience ) I nkow you are proud to be a liberal….I guess maybe the question is more about priorities and tactics.
i have serious doubts that obama even understands his positions or knows whether they left, central, right, whatever. i think they were put together by his team, whom he chose for political reasons rather than ideology, and that he’s just trying to learn his lines.
Your analysis is accurate. The left hates the Clintons.
The left thinks Obama is one of them, but it seems like he basically does whatever is politically expedient and furthers his career.
Otherlisa, a huge LIGHT just went off in my head, your post makes so much sense! The New Liberals are a combination of the 60’s ex-super radicals who are now super-rich and feel SUPER guilty (which doesn’t include the ex-hippies et al. who post on this site) and the college-boy generation of computer-savvy, spoiled, sheltered, easily swayed naifs (which doesn’t include focused, aware, college-educated on this site). So Barack (with the aid of his Svengali Axelrod) has hyp-MO-tized them and like a cult, they follow like sheep. Ohhhh-kay, NOW I get it.
I’ve been trying to figure out where all the Democratic hate comes from…Thanks!
i’ll place a bet here a now. hillary by 15 to 20% on tuesday in pa.
Agreed but I like what Fred Barnes said when he was asked how much Hillary has to win by to stay in the race
“One Vote”
That’s a good one, Daryl! I will try to remember that on Tuesday, thanks.
Just going to show that he may be full of shit, but he’s not stupid.
I agree there will be double digits to pay. Remember they played this game with Ohio. To listen to CNN you would have thought Obama was overtaking her there.
and yet …
They believe that the party has lost touch with its fundamental differences from the Republicans. Their point is that Hillary is just the other white meat. Which we know to be a crock, but when it is said enough, people believe it.
What the hell has been accomplished since 2006 is what you have to ask yourself? So much for a mandate.
I love how they broke down the statistics on Pennsylvania: Clinton - 48%, Obama - 42.4%. Gotta make sure Gutter Ball gets in that less-than-half-a percentage point :-J.
They can’t hack into the voting machines yet, can they?
I know! You never see any decimal points on Hillary’s numbers!!
Here’s another positive note 4 Hillary.
(undecideds have been breaking her way in pretty large numbers all along right?)
Who are these undecideds? I have concluded a large portion of them are like my MOM. Of a generation that thinks their VOTE is private and “would always tell a pollster, I didn’t know yet, because that’s MY business not theirs!!”
Her Sisters and Brothers are all strong Hillary supporters. 70-80 yr olds.
That could be a good thing!
Dawnelle, you are correct. There are a lot of voters that don’t let the MSM use them to scew elections. Pennsylvania has a population majority that works in her favor as most of them are over 40, the average voter is 60. This is important because these people have seen a lot of electoral BS and tend to see through the polispeak generated by the prince.
FYI, I’m listening to the Tim Russert show (via MSNBC) — I think it’s reaired a few times more this weekend.
David Gregory on Obama: “I don’t think he’s a particularly tough campaigner.”
Huh.
that’s funny! he was promising to be tough. so are cream puffs tough now? playing dirty isn’t tough. pushing your followers to demean the other contendor is not tough. giving the fu sign to hillary for young people to see because you got your axx handed to you isn’t tough. obama isn’t tough. hillary is tough, barry.
>>> David Gregory on Obama: “I don’t think he’s a particularly tough campaigner.”
Oh, Davey…do ya THINK?
I read some pissant yesterday saying that HRC was running a, “shin-kicking,” campaign.
Wait until she kicks Hope-a-Dope square in his cojones a few times. He’ll wish he was back in Chicago, doing real estate closings for Rezko and writing 3ed mortgages to sell to widows and orphans.
Since this thread has some conservative talking points, I’ll add some REAL conservative talking points to consider (this IS the job of Traditionals, to remind those across the aisle of issues that matter, that tend to be ignored)…
http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_04_07/cover.html
There’s going to be a rude awakening for everyone that pie-in-the-sky ideals don’t pan out in an economic crunch. There’s more chance that services will be cut, to avoid further economic down turns: for a country can’t continue to spend more than it can tax; and history proves what Americans feel about high taxes.
There’s a lot of issues to discuss, and sooner or later Americans will be faced with the reality of them. Better to address the issues early, than trying to clean up the mess later (Iraq anyone?).
ChrisXP….check out The New Democrats and the platform on the web. Then let’s discuss….I’m in.
We have gotten into this mess because of free market economics. The Clinton Administration is not completely without blame but I think late in his administration free market thinking had gone away. Obama’s 3 economic advisors are very much in the mold of free market economics. If you read anything about them you would quickly come to the realization that they are nothing more than Reaganomic disciples. His advisors on economic health care issues is fundamentally opposed to unviversal healthcare. His name is Cutler. His economic advisor on SS is Liebman and he is in favor of partial privatization of SS. He was in the Clinton administration and was forced out.
If you wonder why he keeps bring up Reagan in his speeches is because of his admiration of his economic policies.
you need to do your home work on bo before you write posts like that. bo is not your friend unless you are a mega corporation or a racist church leader in chicago.
chrisxp, agree re the economics. also think whoever wins the election is going to have one hell of a mess and that if they actually try to clean it up it will be painful. so reelection for that person will be unlikely. then the next person will be afraid of losing, too, so they won’t do the tough stuff. and so it goes. down into ruin.
This is what No Quarter, Taylor Marsh, and many other Hillary supporting blogs have been saying for months now. It’s validating to hear it from the conservatives, but they certainly aren’t the first to make such pronouncements.
The biggest concern though is if the Democratic party is going to be hijacked by the Neo-Liberals, the Left Wing Fascists, the anti-American “progressives”, Kool Aid and his Gang of Dimwits, by the SDs giving Obama the nod and McCain the presidency.
Damn, hate to say it being a lady and all, but you just nailed exactly what those sons-of-bitches are!!
Agree….Insead of a phony case of ” White Guilt ” they have the new hip disease called phony ” American Guilt ” either way it’s a delusion.It’s an academic elitist BS diversion. White guilt did nothing for the civil rights movement. People risking their lives did. White america was rightfully shamed and began to change. I saw it and lived it in the south. We still have more to change but OBAMESSIAH acts as if there has been no change. I’m not going to let these lefters make me feel ashamed to be an american any more than I’m going to pretend to feel guilty, for what. I’ve been an informed voter since 1978 and I’m a lifer in the Democratic party. I’m not afraid of any truth. When I had extra $$, belonged to the ACLU, Amnesty Intl. I’m strongly Pro-civil rights everybody. Obamessiah is NOT the AA candidate I’ve been waitin for in my liberal heart. There were a lot of better AA politicians, who had more exerience and a better record of service. This man is a phony and a dangerous one at that.
say what you will about jesse jackson sr, but his idea of the rainbow campaign was classic. he also played well with others. sure he was disappointed about not getting the veep slot, but he understood that the destruction of the democratic party was not to his benefit either.
Agree…Jackson is a party member and worked to change the party from within. “Hymie Town” brought him down…But his political campaigns made the party take notice and for good reason. Always thought his was a gutsy run. Teddy’s run was pathetic in comparison but then again memory can be a little fuzzy this side of ehemmmm……40.
I feel the same about Jesse Jackson, Sr. as well. I think one of the most affecting speeches I ever saw was his at the Dem convention (in either ‘84 or ‘88). People in the audience were literally crying.
Flawed though he is, he does seem to genuinely understand the reality of struggling in America, regardless of your race. I suspect it is because he really knows about being poor and can relate to people in a way that someone like BO could never do.
Agree with you there….American rhetoric .com has his and other great speeches on line. Love that site.
I still don;t think they can “legitimatly” (sorry spelling. Its late), nominate this bozo without seating FL and MI. …the shit will hit the fan!!
Just did some checking at Survey USA, the most dependable polling company this electorial season and they have not produced a single poll since last week-end concerning Pennsylvania or Indiana!
then there is this Obama email:
West Virginia’s voter registration deadline is coming up this Tuesday, April 22nd, and we have a special challenge for all West Virginia college students.
If you are not a student, please share this message with the West Virginia college students you know.
Everywhere from Washington State to South Carolina, this movement has inspired young people to get involved in the political process, often for the first time in their lives. In the coming days, you can take ownership of this effort.
From now through Tuesday, college students are encouraged to register new voters at their school. Students should return completed forms as possible to their local Obama office or organizer. Those who turn in the most valid forms will have the chance to meet Barack on an upcoming visit to the Mountain State.
Find the details and let us know you’re up to the challenge:
http://wv.barackobama.com/WVchallenge
All West Virginia college students are eligible to participate — and anyone who registers at least 15 new voters or new Democrats will be entered for a chance to meet Barack.
Additional students from the college or university that turns in the most registration forms will be selected to meet Barack — so be sure to recruit friends and classmates to participate in the challenge with you!
In order to count towards the contest, all registration forms must be submitted to your local field staff organizer by 12:00 p.m. on Tuesday, April 22nd.
Every thinking American voter knows there is no way Obama will win a GE.
Are we going to end up having another Rainbow Coalition exidus again with the DNP like in 1988 and thus hand the WH keys to McCain?
Or will the DNP grow up and make Fla and Mich count and thus prove who the most viable candidate to lead the party into the Nov election is?
There has to be someone in the DNP who has some balls to stand up to the manipulation and deception put out by the Obama campaign! There is no distain anywhere for a Black or Latino or Asian candidate, there is disgust in a dirty and loaded with terrible baggaged goods as this Black candidate is bringing to the table!
I tell ya, our democratic process is being destroyed by America’s obsession with celebrity. There are far too many frightening parallels to Bush’s campaign and followers.
Catriley….Amen to that!
Bush/Obama = Arrogant-Spoiled-Inexperienced-Uses Gut Instinct-100% dependent on advisers due to lack of experience-Questionable Associates-Elitist-Connection to Oil-Disenfranchised voters
I am thinking that Obama would actually be the third term of Bush, only worse.
Hillary and McCain would be a change in direction.
Hillary change in direction, change in America for the better, rise in middle class
Turning voter registration forms in to the Obama Campaign office (or any other politician’s campaign office) is an invitation to fraud and, I believe, unlawful. We expect no less from the Obama campaign.
and it will set back the idea of a minority candiate by decades.
Many of the students are actually registered in their home states. It is another indication that their techniques are fundamentally flawed.
It is as if they have a good idea and no one checks to see if the idea works in application.
That is what is insane about letting this guy any where near red phones or buttons marked “don’t push.”
i suspect bobo doesn’t care if they’re registered in their home states - he hopes they’ll (illegally) register in west virginia too.
Correct….A lot of voter fraud at the Texas Stumble…
” . . . anyone who registers at least 15 new voters or new Democrats will be entered for a chance to meet Barack.”
No! No! No! I WANT A PONY!
LOLOLOL
and i want a big balloon with happy faces all over it. and a red lollipop.
Barack is giving out RED Lollipops..and RED Ballons…Star shaped I hear..
Palomino, You have a Horse..
The Ponys are at the Race track..
Bubblegum is sticking to the Rail..
oops - i now want a pink balloon and lollipop.
Ehemmmm……..maybe I’ll have some of that US GOVT. ISSUE CRACK….and I want a a special UNITYPIPE…
Those who turn in the most valid forms will have the chance to meet Barack on an upcoming visit to the Mountain State
Is this legal?
Barak Obama’s ultra left followers should be very concerned that he has the support of Sam Nunn and David Boren. Those two are as right wing as you can get and still have a D after your name. They are Neo-Cons who did all they could to obstruct the first President Clinton’s progressive/centrist agenda.
How can BO have the support of Nunn, Boren and Bruce Springstein?? Only because Obama is a tabula raza; a Chauncey Gardiner with a Harvard diploma.
People can see in BO whatever they want to see without any real facts or history to support their daydreams.
We don’t have time to send Obama to school. Even if the fetching Michelle pays for it out of her lucrative board appointments at for example hospitals where they let patients die and rip up their Hippocratic oaths because she says so. And even if the klutz could learn we still don’t want him. Not with all that old graybeard Heinz/Chappaquiddick stuff all over the place. We want a new guard and not any of them thank you. Oh - one more thing: we demand HONESTY. So this joker is out on his butt from the get-go.
I would really be interested in seeing Michelle’s negatives. If she were a cereal, she wouldn’t make it into a box.
@Strawberrybitch: They say it takes one to know one. They see through Obama and his campaign best because they know that’s how they work too. I really have to refer again to the excellent video work by Flineo in this context. He follows up really well on the PR/Saatchi & Saatchi kind of opinion manipulation that’s been behind politics for half a century. It’s ugly and it has to be stopped and if the Repugs are willing to expose their colleagues then all the better for it.
It Wasn’t the Questions, It Was the Answers!
All of this nonsense on how bad the debate was really begs the obvious question. If BO had managed to answer any of the questions well, they would be singing his praises.
Both in the first-half on characteristic and the second-half on policy issues questions, BO didn’t give a good answer on most of the questions. He choked on Iran question, capital taxes, social security. And yes, he choked on the flag pin, Wright, Ayers, Wood foundation. So basically, he choked on both parts.
Guess he needs more time, his processing speed is so slow. Kind of like the interminable time he took to cook up that race speech.
When that 3 a.m. phone rings, he’ll have to put ‘em on hold, hang up or give ‘em the finger!
Will rap be the hold music?
Says Mrs Cleaver: ” I write rap.”
“God Bless America” written by Jay-Z with help from Jeremiah Wright?
Ha! Agreed it was the answers, not teh question. Maybe not everyone agrees, but people still want to know who he really is and where he came from.
The main thing I learned is that he offers gibberish whenever he is put on the defensive or criticized. He tries, painfully, to get back to his Acelrod stump lines. Ya almost have to feel sorry for him.
But, this is not what we can afford in a President, epsecially when times are so bad and ugly.
write to your senators/representatives and demand that senator obama be taken to task in the senate for conduct unbecoming a senator with giving hillary the finger.
i would think the repubs would love it. i already wrote mine. a big campaign would get fox’s attention and certainly lou dobbs.
I don’t think he is the blank slate we see. Someone has the goods. He hasn’t been smart enough or careful enough. I mean, my God, he knew he was going to a debate and apparently walked in with a clean sheet of paper — to judge by the “performance.”
He gets skittish about the weirdest things. Passportgate. Hiding his grades. Novels passed off as memoir. The last thing that Hillary’s campaign could afford to do was leave their finger prints on his documentation, but not only do the Republicans not care they will do it and leave no prints behind. Rev Wright got leaked by somebody. These things trickle out and for me it is an indication of so much that we can’t even fathom the possibilities.
All of this time that McCain has been the Republican candidate has been put to terrific use. They haven’t had to waste a moment of it on Hillary. They could focus on the only person whose inexperience, compounded by arrogance and lack of preparation will deliver up not only the presidency, but the potential to rebuild the Republican party with the type of voter they value.
The repubs haven’t been quiet because they have nothing on Obama. They have been quiet because they want to run against him.
Obviously everyone here hates Obama, but he is going to win the nomination so when it happens what are you going to do? Even if Hillary wins Pennsyvania by 10%, that’s only a few more delegates than Obama at the most. Are you going to call McCain a Maverick, which is a crock of you know what, or fight for what’s right? Stop doing the Republican’s job!
Terrific cut and paste post. Your insight only adds to the discussion here thank you for your open mind.
sorry, but you don’t have an open mind, you have concluded a swathing monolythic thought. There may be some here who “hate” Obama, but your tactic is right out of the Bushie camp. When someone questions Glorious Leader, you dismiss them as hateful. You are either new at politics or simply narrowminded. This isn’t over and you are so premature in your conclusions.
READ YOUR NUMBERS AGAIN.
Last I checked, Obama didn’t have 2025 votes.
And for you to tell these supporters they are “doing the republican’s job” is a perjorative attack that Glorious Leader should condemn you for saying. Are you not doing the Republican’s job by attacking Hillary Clinton? Look closely in the mirror before you bark out an answer.
In the words of Heywood Broun - “His mind is so open that the wind whistles through it.”
Thanks, Open Mind, every time one of you Obamazoids post here, you just make it easier for us to dislike Obama! So go for it!
Don’t feel so bad that you are in agreement with FoxNews in certain areas. You should consider that this is a tactic. By trying to call all of Hillary Clinton’s supporters “Rethuglians” and the like they have used a simple divide and conquer strategy. See through it.
Then go back and read 1984 by George Orwell again (and animal farm for that matter, or lord of the flies). You will learn again the art of doublespeak.
The Obama campaign is great at using terms that sound fuzzy but are divisive, that sound uniting, but are divisive, that sound encouraging, but only if you believe in their version of change.
Their message of love is glowing with hatred right now, so see it for what it is.
I’m an Orwell fan. I sure recognize the double speak, the fanaticsm, the divide and conquer strategy. I’m so angry about the outrage towards ABC for having the courage to ask the questions nobody’s been asking. I’ve been ranting to Obama supporters, WTH do you want, The Ministry of Truth to just deliver you your propaganda? Don’t stick around to hear the answer, it’s pretty scary. Yes, that is exactly what they want. They want nothing disparaging said about The Chosen One, ever.
Fascist behavior is fascist behavior no matter what side of the politcal spectrum you are on. Death threats, intimidation, and strong arming people is the work of thugs and bullies.
I’m indifferent to Orwell. My advantage is that if any politician tells me that the sun is shining, I go and look out of the window. Clinton does fairly well on those ‘reality checks’. With Obama my ‘bs’ detector is sounding constantly.
I appreciate the allusions to Orwell. I’ve been hearing the doublespeak since the night of the South Carolina primary, which Obama won with around 90 percent of the African American vote. His Cream Puffery gave an ANGRY victory speech, all the while surrounded by a hand-picked (”Get me more white people!”) coterie of Obamazoids who kept chanting, “Race doesn’t matter! Race doesn’t matter!” Kind of helped with the cognitive dissonance occasioned by the “Bill and Hillary Are Vile Racists” meme. That was the night when I first understood that Obama is a dangerous demagogue. And I have to say that he has only fallen in my estimation since then.
Orwell wrote some incredible essays on Totalitarianism and the media…Have to hand it to the English, during the period after WWWII there was some great writing as they tried to figure how those AHOLES got to power…
Republicans win.
Democrats fight.
Thanks for proving this with a Faux News post.
Yeeesh
I find it very revealing that they constantly use Fox News footage here.
It’s remarkable.
When I first saw Larry Johnson on Outfoxed, I thought he got it. I guess not.
When they have to turn to Fox News to smear a Democrat, it’s not hard to see what’s really going on here.
So smearing a Democrat is only good when CNN and MSNBC do it to Hillary? Is that what you are saying?
moveon .org busted on research ( just like they do on others). THEY WERE AGAINST THE Afghan war!!!!
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/19/111736/838#3
omg…this is funny as hell!
Obama video:
http://tinyurl.com/37kl75
Obama gained the backing of a disgruntled Clinton administration employee. But wait a minute…hasn’t Robert Reich been a vocal supporter of Obama for months?
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Asked to respond to Reich’s endorsement, Clinton spokesman Mo Eleithee said, “Didn’t he endorse him last year?”
Just a rumor, but I hear Michelle is set to endorse her husband a few days before the North Carolina primary.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/quiz/?sc=8
EVERYONE
GO TO HILLARY WEBSITE WITH THE LINK ABOVE
AND TAKE A QUIZ ABOUT** WHO SAID THIS**
If Marx were here, he would endorse him too..
Am I the only one who can never get videos to play on this site? (They work fine on other sites.) It would be nice to have a direct YouTube link so I can view them there in the future.