Obama Congregants: Waaaaa! Leave Barry Alone! No More Debates!
By Uppity Woman on April 23, 2008 at 4:46 PM in Barack Obama, Democrats, Hillary Clinton, North Carolina
No Quarter has a verified copy of a letter from a member of the Democratic Party in North Carolina that is addressed to the North Carolina Party Leadership. It seems that the debate scheduled for April 27, 2008 has been abruptly cancelled. Our letter writer, a registered Democrat, has some serious questions about the real reason this debate was cancelled.
According to the state party’s press release, the reason for the cancellation is sort of, but not really, this:
“time constraints and logistical issues associated with such a large, national event.”
The press release then goes on to say,
“While there was great interest in the debate, there were also growing concerns about what another debate would do to party unity, …” (Uppity Translation: There are growing concerns that any more hard or revealing questions might not be so good for Baby Jesus Obama.)
Concurrently, Obama supporters at a Raleigh NC event did what they do best. They chanted.
Did they chant, “Yes We Can!?” Nope.
Did they chant “Ooooo Baaaahhhhh Maaaaa!!”??? Nope.
They chanted “No More Debates!!!”
Word has it that this rally was held at the same venue where Obama flipped Hillary the bird. Obama wasn’t flipping birds this time though. He was riling up his infantile base to get him out of another debate he can’t handle.
It is rather interesting, isn’t it, that the man who claims he is going to “Change The World” went into the fetal position when hard questions were tossed at him. The kind of questions Americans have a right to see answered by a man who came out of nowhere and who wants to be the most powerful person in the world.
I can’t help but think that, if Obama had been through what Hillary has been through by the press during the past 15 months, he would be institutionalized with a nervous breakdown by now. He can’t even handle a tough debate. And while none of these questions matter to his entranced following, they matter to the vast majority of Americans.
The problem, apparently, is that Barack Obama doesn’t think he owes anybody an explanation about who he really is and who he hangs out with, and he feels that we should just coronate him right now. Kind of like George Bush nearly 8 years ago. It all kind of makes you wonder what kind of Hope-y Change-y President this man would make, doesn’t it?
Now onto the letter, written by a brave registered Democrat we shall refer to as Anon. After all, we don’t want Obamazoids to descend upon his house with pitch forks, do we?
The letter was written to a paid state party staff member, Jeminee Richir, the Online Communications Director for the North Carolina Democratic party:
Dear Jerimee Richir,
I am writing in order to seek justification for the various claims you make in the press release you issued yesterday regarding the debate scheduled for April 27, 2008 in Raleigh.
According to your press release, the debate was cancelled as a result of “time constraints and logistical issues associated with such a large, national event.” To which time constraints are you referring, and what specific logistical problems proved to be insurmountable?
I ask these questions, as the North Carolina Democratic Party had already secured a location, a network sponsor and a time slot. I quote the Charlotte Observer:
“The debate would be held at Raleigh’s RBC Center, home to N.C. State basketball and Carolina Hurricanes hockey. Meek said it has helped energize the state’s Democrats, with requests for tickets running 500 per hour at peak times in recent days.”
“Meek said the state Democratic Party and the CBS network chose April 27 because the debate would follow ‘60 Minutes,’ putting it in a coveted timeslot.”
Were there specific problems with the venue, or did you encounter problems with CBS?
I await your response to these questions.
I also desire substantiation for the following claim:
“[T]here were [sic] also growing concerns about what another debate would do to party unity.”
Who articulated such concerns? Which elected officials or party operatives cited these concerns? According the Charlotte Observer, the Chairman of the NC Democratic Party, Jeffrey Meek, did not have such concerns on April 17, 2008. I quote:
“North Carolina has never hosted a debate for its Democratic presidential primary,” said N.C. Democratic chairman Jerry Meek. He said Friday that he’s still confident Obama will accept the invitation.
“‘North Carolina is the 10th most populous state in the country,’ Meek said. ‘This is a great opportunity for North Carolinians to hear directly from the candidates about issues directly related to North Carolina.’”
Governor Easley also desired a debate in NC. I quote:
“Gov. Mike Easley is urging Barack Obama to agree to a debate in North Carolina”
“In a letter dated Tuesday, Easley wrote to Obama that a debate with Democratic rival Hillary Clinton would energize and motivate N.C. voters ahead of the May 6 primary.”
Did other elected officials in NC articulate concerns about party unity. And if so, who? Or did a specific campaign, namely the Obama campaign, cite these concerns? I ask, as the Charlotte Observer reports the following:
“Obama made clear that both scheduling and strategy will determine his participation”
“He had previously agreed to an N.C. debate April 19. Clinton did not agree. The Pennsylvania primary is three days later.”
“Clinton has agreed to an April 27 debate. Her N.C. director, Ace Smith, said, ‘It looks like their intention is to stop debating.’”
Are the logistical problems you cite ones created by the Obama campaign? And why does your press release conflict with the news reports of David Ingram of the Charlotte Observer, who noted in three different articles that the Clinton campaign agreed to a debate in NC on April 27, 2008?
References:
- “Easley urges Obama to debate in N.C.,” April 16, 2008
- “Obama hedges on debate in Raleigh,” April 12, 2008
- “Democrats abandon effort for N.C. debate,” April 22, 2008
Lastly, why are the rationalizations for the cancellation of the debate you provide in your letter similar to those issued by the Obama campaign? You write,
“Senators Clinton and Obama have offered additional opportunities to be seen and heard across the state in the coming weeks and months.”
This is essentially a paraphrase of the following statement of Obama cited in a Charlotte Observer article:
“‘I will tell you, after the 21st debate — all of which have been nationally televised, and so North Carolinians have had ample opportunity to watch these debates — I don’t know that they are ending up being more informative than the kinds of town hall meetings that we’ve scheduled,’ Obama said.”
And when, exactly, did Senator Clinton claim town halls and rallies will serve as substitutes for a substantive debate about the concerns of NC Democrats? Please provide a quotation from an official press release of valid news source.
I thank you for responding to my letter. And I also want to thank you for your advocacy for Obama at BlueNC.com. I read the site regularly, and I know you write under the name “Jerimee”.
I hope your support for Obama as evinced by your comments at BlueNC did not inflect the various claims you make in the press release you issued to North Carolina Democrats yesterday.
Sincerely,
Anon
Registered Democrat
North Carolina
Nice job, Anon. Hope you are still well. I was wondering: Do you think you will get any answers to this obvious rig-job to get Barry out of another debate? We understand that a reporter from the Charlotte Observer has responded to your letter and is interested in any further developments. So are we.
Thank you, brave Anon.
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Spot on!!!! “I can’t help but think that, if Obama had been through what Hillary has been through by the press during the past 15 months, he would be institutionalized with a nervous breakdown by now.”
Hillary has a strength that defies all of the laws of human nature.
What a POTUS she will make!
Well said Shainzona…
Excellent Editorial Uppity..Well Done..
I don’t think any of us Regulars who Hang out at the no quarters Quaters..are really surprised at this News…The barry Bubble Burst..Like Larry says ..thery are running Scared Now…had some Wins the first half…and Now the Other team (Our Girl Hillary..) Book title?.. he he..is making a Strong comeback and the Game has changed…The Fans are cheering fo hillary, Who has been the underdog that never Quits, What a Champions heart She has..and the new QB seems to be handling the ball better…She came into todays game…with a Win just yesterday in that Great State of Pennsylvania, with Strong support form a Broad range of People..frrom politicians to grass Roots..They came out in new Numbers to support hillary..
Regarding the Above Proceedings in iIllinois, and Obamas Comment that any Debate would depend on his schedule and on Strategy..
WHAT..?? North carolina is mentioned as Obamas next most Important State, where the real Peoples Choice will take place and Obama belkieves he has such stronge Advantage..
Why would He cancel a debate there now..??
Fear.?? Afraid He going to Lose Votes now that he knows he is losing Momentum and People are starting to examine him More Closely..??
that the ONLY Plausable Explanation…!!
As far as Strategy ..I wonder If that means Obams camp and DeanCamp getting together and discussing and Approving that strategy…??
Would that be Ethical of the NATIONAL Party since there are Two Front Running candidates Right Now..??
Its always about Ethics, isn’t it..??
she is amazing, what stamina. It’s a truism that the first female has to be smarter and tougher than any guy, and it’s sure true for her. Not to diss Obama, Hillary could cream anyone in a debate, and pass any policy quiz, and know the history of legislation, what it was intended for, whether or not it works as intended. She may be the smartest candidate in our nation’s history, this would not surprise me. And it’s not just a lazy high IQ, but she also studies, does her homework, doesn’t take things personally, has a great personality. Reminds me of an ubber mom,the one you always want to be in charge, because mom never sleeps, she keeps us safe. And as james Carville says, “I just love her to death.” Too bad he can be the veep.
A Labor Maggie Thatcher.
LOL….Refusing to do anymore debates is a big mistake methinks…..
I wonder why CBS doesn’t offer to do a Couric/Clinton 1.5 hour one on one interview in the NC venue that focuses on hard questions…policy or otherwise no holds barred.
It would be a sweet get for Couric and Hillary could make fine use of the prime Sunday airtime. Win/Win
(I’m sure Bambi would reconsider in a heartbeat)
Ooo, that’s a good idea!
I think it would be good to get Helen Thomas….But she’s a grown up and a woman and a cracker and a senior….Barry would back out of that one…
they chanted “no more debates!” ?
that is so asinine. you know, i am starting to admire bush more than this obama guy. at least bush doesn’t whine about debates. he just goes there and tell it the way he see it. bush trusts the media to spin it well for him and it works.
obama, even with all this positive media support, is still afraid of debates?
what a whiner.
I agree with you Lori, but remember when Bush went in with the famous “pack” upon his back that no one could literally figure out what it was?
Maybe Obama needs one of those packs on his back under his suit coat too. He can’t seem to stand up under pressure or on his feet without a script.
Heh. Hi Hope. Two souls with a single thought. Happens sometimes.
Hi Dormaphaea:
Isn’t that too funny! Did anyone ever figure out exactly what that was? I think I got sidetracked when that happened.
GMTA
Methamphetmine booster pack?
In his case maybe it was Seagrams 7
Or at least Bush has the foresight to know he’s out of his element and gets a wireless in his ear for the correct answers.
Remember the bulge on Bush’s back when he debated Kerry? LOL
“No more debates” is beyond asinine, it is obscene and troubling.
It’s a symptom of the self-esteem generation.
that is so asinine. you know, i am starting to admire bush more than this obama guy. at least bush doesn’t whine about debates.
Actually, while it’s been almost 8 yrs, Bush’s campaign actually publicly flirted with the idea of NO debates against Al Gore in the late summer of 2000.
BUT HE DID DO THEM YOU IGNORANT ASS!
bush debated and barry ran away to hide. geez!
I noticed that when Clinton mentions Obama’s efforts in the race the crowd never boo’s, contrast that with last evening Obama crowd booing when he congratulated HRC. Sore losers.
Childish, boorish, mean-spirited morons who believe they are all entitled to “change”. BTW, what does that really mean anyway? What are we supposed to miraculously change into? This guy Obama is a magician too? Yeah, more like a voodoo sorcerer if you ask me.
Barack’s here with his new book, “How to Serve Mankind”, but his legions haven’t yet figured out that it’s a cook-book.
Yes, we’re in the Twilight Zone!
Didin’t you hear? He is going to fix our broken souls. (Fascism anyone?)
Yeah Hope, I was just thinking that the other day. Reagan had voodoo economics and now Dean and company have voodoo candidate Obama.
Yeah more voodoo! Just what we need in the mess wer are in already after 7 years of Bush.
I noticed that last night, too! Big babies led by a bigger baby.
You’re right. And anyone with half a brain and any manners whatsoever will also notice the rudeness. It’s a real turnoff to “typical white folks”. And the fact that Obama doesn’t try and straighten out the crowd’s behavior is also very telling.
Did he not say “No, no. She ran a good race.”? Because those are the words that were emitted from my TV.
Gee … did you miss the rest of his condemnation, er, concession?
In his concession speech, Mr Obama condenmed those who would “say or do anything” to win an election where Democrats not only had the chance to reclaim an office “but the trust of the American people”.
that leaves me with the question. Barray is a typical what? washington insider pretending to be an outside comes to mind. i am sure others have ideas also.
And the fact that Obama doesn’t try and straighten out the crowd’s behavior is also very telling.
You said it.
It’s about the content of his character. There you have it.
Great point. Hillary’s audiences do not boo. Only his immature bunch of nitwit, no-real-life-experience followers do that. Ugh.
Who was it that they booed in Texas? Sheila Jackson Lee? Her own constituents simply because she backs Hillary? I’ll never forget that. And i bet Lee won’t either.
grtphoto was that one in Indiana? I watched the entire thing and did not hear anything like that.
Could that possible be because when Hillary loses, she forgets to mention that little fact entirely? Just a guess.
Yeah we know. She lost PA. Why can’t we see that?
Do you seriously think that is what I meant?
No. I seriously think you are here to be a pain in the ass because you had a bad night.
Actually, I’m here because I am disturbed at the sheer number of unchallenged ad hominem attacks on a putatively Democratic blog. I’m not sure if Larry considers himself a Democrat (maybe Independent?), but he has certainly been on enough liberal shows to be lumped in with the amorphous “left”.
No one makes a secret of the fact that this is a pro-Hillary website. You are here only to be a pain in the ass.
And I’m sure you spend your time challenging the TRULY ad hominem attacks on Hillary over at all the other so-called progressive blogs that have been going on for months. Right? Right? Hello….
Actually, I did. However, this is by far the most vitriolic blog I have seen advocating for a Democratic candidate.
Liz
WE have a right as Americans, no matter what our party, to state our outrage despite whether or not it seems politically correct to you. Time to wake up. Life is not a scripted event like Obama’s campaign. People are individuals and do not have to subscribe to a party rule. We don’t live in the former USSR.
We grace the Democratic Party with our spontaneity!
At least some of us refuse to be intimidated by the likes of you.
Liz
Sorry we just don’t meet your stereotypical
definition of what Democrats should be. We aren’t little cookie-cutter, stick-figure peeps ! We speak our minds here comfortably and without fear of reprisals from the Obama brownshirts.
If hate speech and racism is comfortable to you, I seriously doubt your are a Democratic.
Never been to Huffington Post or DailyKos where calling women cunts and whores is just a big ho-hum?
Please …. just toddle off now.
what IS it about the obamatrolls that one of their favorite lines is that we’re not dems because we think their guy’s a jerk?
Dismount Liz; you look pretty ridiculous up there.
That’s hilarious, Hope. Give her hell. (Someone’s a little uptight tonight.)
Susan
I am so relieved to be here on this site because, in truth, I can speak my mind without having to worry about being politically correct. Thank you for everything you do here! And we are little cookie-cutter peeps here!
Except that Larry recognizes a disaster when he sees one.
Jesus H. Christ… Can you get the marbles out of your mouth? Putatatively? Amorphous?
Ad hominem? In a blog less than 50 words you manage to throw in three needless bruisers like that. I know we’re all deeply impressed that you scored at least a 500 on your SATs, but really, if you are going to be annoying and interject your unwanted-self here, could you at least try to be less pretentious? There are two ways people hide the fact that they have nothing to say: the endless recycling of catch phrases (the Obama way), and the needless
promulgation of over-stretched verbiage.
(I threw in that last bit in honor of you and your painful machinations of our beloved language)… (I also threw in that bit for my ode to your linguistic gymnastics)… Oh shit, I did it again…
Sandy
You go girl!!
Liz:
So by your logic that “Orange site” & the HuffPo and most all other so called progressive (ha ha!) blogs are Republican sites; you know given the shitloads they spew by the second against HRC, a
Democatic candidate
C’on, be serious.
I’m not sure if Larry considers himself a Democrat.
1) if you don’t understand that there a whole lot of Democrats “not sure” if they are democrats right now then you are as out of touch as Obama and his ilk are.
2)Actually, I’m here because I am disturbed.
Many people who support Obama are, it’s the kool-aid. Stop drinking it.
i don’t think you have a clue about what is up and what is down frankly.
Did you know that the Kool-Aid Drinkers actually believe that Obama won Nevada and Texas? It’s pathetic.
What was that delegate spread in those states again. Bud? Oh, I forgot. Actual, pledged delegates don’t count. Only superdelegates, who are going to turn this thing around.
On that we will agree.
oh you mean like those patheti caucuses where my sister was rudely treated and saw people voting twice. is that what you obamabot?
Texas
Obama — 99
Clinton — 94
Nevada
Obama — 13
Clinton — 12
Scoreboard!
Texas: HRC WINS !!
Nevada: HRC WINS!!
And that R-Bob is what counts come November.
Bye bye now.
You know, she must have really kicked some ass.
We have seen such an influx of trolls today that you can’t believe it.
I guess the “make nice” with the Hillary supporters campaign has to be put off until he wins something, right?
As I said about an earlier influx of them… someone peed in their Unity Wheaties this morning. There is no sunshine in UnityLand today…
It seems the adults in the Party are starting to wake up, finally.
They always do Bud. Just ask George McGovern. Adults don’t let children having tantrums pick Presidents.
Let’s hope that there are enough people out there who don’t have to see all that red on the map the day after a la McGovern and Kerry ….
Uppity:
McGovern’s Youth Movement:
Nixon 60.60% 47,170,179
McGovern 37.53% 29,171,791
Put the kids to bed everyone so the adults can go and vote!
Yup. 38% and he marginalized the party for decades. The democrats had TWO presidents in the past thirty years, and only one of them was a two-termer. And now they are even demonizing him. The problem has always been the whacky fringe. They are the mirror image of the republican social conservative whack jobs. That’s why superdelegates were formed to begin with. To make sure the party avoids another McGovern train wreck. And if anybody is a train wreck, it’s Barack Obama. At least McGovern had some experience under his belt and was a hero. This guy is a vapid empty suit who can’t even put two words together without a chanting script.
Interview with McGovern as to why superdelegates were created.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/11/fmr_presidential_candidate_george_mcgovern_on
Uppity
Exactly! And the superdelegates need to wake the hell up and see that the “children” are sabotaging the party once again.
Yes I agree with you that the lunatic fringe (and yes San Francisco my beloved City that means YOU! wingnuts) is the “mirror image of the republican social conservative whack jobs”. !!
Never were more truer words said! A scary group of demagogues who think the world MUST agree with them no matter what because they are RIGHT!! Fools!
Check out Air America radio sometime, all of the hosts not only hate the idea of Superdelegates, but pretend that they dont understand where they came from, why they are necessary, how they can be included in a DEMOCRATIC primary, etc. It’s called Willful ignorance. Or just plain dishonesty. Pick one.
Oh, but caucuses? No problem with them. Not at all. Perfectly reasonable and fair.
saw a comment somewhere earlier that obama’s problem in the general isn’t him, it’s the darn electoral college thing where he won’t get a proportional share of the votes in the red states….. whhhhhhatttttttttttttt? the person’s comment wasn’t clear, not unusual as we know, but do they really think the rules will change so their guy can get votes out of idaho or wherever even if he loses 90 to 10? (was an article about how he’ll turn red states blue,,,,,yeah right, and i’ll lose 50 pounds and become 40 years younger).
true, but the way some of those campaigns were conducted didn’t help. remember kerry and gore. both good candidates but with terrible campaigns. some genius in the kerry campaigned shut edwards down. strum probably!
The American public deserves not to be surprised at the material the real rightwing will hurt Obama with come the fall if the suicidal lemmingness of the Democratic Party refuses pragmatic, proven leadership in Senator Clinton.
Why is everything all about the O!? He doesn’t want to get taken to school at a debate again - by a girl, no less! He sucks at debates because he sucks at substantive policy! She’s got a massive headstart on him & he cannot HOPE to catch up, it’s nothing personal.
Whining surly jerk. It’s easy to lob figurative firebombs at DC from the other side of the wall. I do it verbally all the time. What is harder is to deliver change.
Hillary is the right president for right now. This is about endings, not beginnings. We have old business to clean up. So tired of this fantasy land of hope & change. Grow up.
What material are they going to fling at him? He has been competing, for the last 5+ months, against someone who has been better funded than McCain. The longer this goes on, it is entirely likely that the general will be shorter than the primary.
Also, do we think that the Republicans are going to politely refuse to discuss anything that happened (or was alleged to have happened) between the years of 1994-2000, as Obama has? My guess: no.
McCain won’t have to answer for Bush except where his record requires. And he was very smart about that.
Obama has yet to be asked about Odinga, Hamas endorsments, Rashid Khalidi, Zbigniew Brezinski and his cold call center in Gaza City (with video already recorded). If you think that the Republicans aren’t going to address these things and scare the CRAP out of America, then I do not even know what to say to you. Then they can easily take his campaign lies, which add up to far more than Bosnia. Not taking money from Lobbyists for starters. Or Oil money. this is a lie and I will be DAMNED if I am going to do the research again and retype it all for you. Then there is the fact that five of his top ten contributors are sub prime lender bundlers. Not to mention his finance chair who busted a bank and stuck it in the nose of the customers. And I am only typing what I can think of right now.
Let me extrapolate on the Odinga issue. I think it will be mighty uncomfortable for Obama to try and explain why and how his own paid advisor travelled to Kenya to help Odinga for at least a month (on a tourist visa!), and the ensuring violence, but worked in Kenya and travelled there PRO BONO?
Are there FEC rules about campaign funds being diverted for those uses? Cuz I guarantee Dick Morris does nothing for free… The story told is that Dick met Odinga at a “party in Chicago” and was “introduced by a mutual friend” and was so moved that he decided to spend a month helping him.
Oh.. that is going to be a very interesting scenario to unwrap.
and don’t forget his cousin odinga having his people burn up a church full of people because he was mad he lost an election.
Yeah talk about a bad loser. He’s killing off all the people who didn’t vote for him. It’s a good think Obamazoids don’t get to do that here in America or we would all be heading for cover.
Uppity
I’m not so sure we aren’t going to have some major unrest at the Denver convention. Can you imagine what the Obamatrons will do if their kid doesn’t get the nomination? Expect violence!
All the GOP has to do (in their sleep) is remind the American Public that a YEAR in the US Senate following senior senators around asking…
” Hey guys can I tag along…” does not POTUS material make. And that is if McInsane wants to run a clean race and play nice…The GOP will also play up how he and Hillary try to get along….etc…..
politely refuse to discuss anything that happened (or was alleged to have happened) between the years of 1994-2000, as Obama has?
I’m still wondering where the polite Barack Obama is? Much less Michelle! My God, they can’t even put her in front of an audience outside of Universities, heavily AA or so small that it is almost insignificant. And, when someone asks her about it, she is just as snippy as he is!
WHITE PEOPLE! WE NEED MORE WHITE PEOPLE!!!!
Uppity
OOOP! You iz gonna half to wa8t cuz weez all n church sittin wit r guns!
zOMG! HALP US BAROK O’BOMBA– WE R STUCK HEAR N ALTOONA!!!!! SAV Uz!!!
Uppitty
Gimme mor ah dat Ripple! Iz kneed mor ah dat stuff dat goz down reel good!
BAMA BAMA BAMA Help uz oh deer BAMA
gee, as a troll sent by the obamabots, you are terrible. a good troll can at least make me smile, but all you do is leave everyone snarling saying go change your diapers.
Can you just imagine what else Barry can manage to do or say not that he is wounded?
He is particularly vulnerable to lies and getting caught at it when he is pissy. The shine is a starting to fade as far as the American voter is concerned. He can’t afford to do or say anything nasty or impertinent. He’s on very thin ice.
When the going gets rough, Bratty Obama gets sullen.
He is another Dubya.
The more people see, the less they like what they see.
Let’s see a whole lot more of this guy!!!!
And yet Hillary has MUCH higher negatives. I guess it takes one to know one, huh?
Well, B-blob has apparently been run out of Taylor Marsh and is trying his hand here!
Some negatives can’t be measured by the media.
Yeah . . . like having bill collectors hounding your campaign. Has Hillary paid all those vendors yet? Or is she waiting for a flying saucer to deliver her a new cash infusion?
No like pretending that Italians, White Women over 40, Jews, Gays, Catholics, blue collar workers will fall into line, flock to the polls and vote for Barry after he insulted every one of them. It won’t happen. This is a McGovern repeat. He’s a 38% candidate. Adults do not let children pick presidents. Nor do they allow candidates who align themselves with domestic and foreign terrorists to become presidents. It’s just the way it is.
and now he’s saying his problem in pennsylvania was the older voters. does he think old people will just go away by november? or is he planning to slip some koolaid into our lipitor?
YAWN….
Boy you are sooo boring man. Get a life please!!!
And yet she’s won all those big general election electoral college states.
Damn, I hate it when reality bites you in the arse.
I do hope you have a third board you can go to after you get thrown off this one.
LOL
Uppity, I sincerely hope you weren’t responding to me. I’m on ‘your’ side in this. Search NQ and read my other comments, please.
I was making the point that she’s won the big states we’ll need to win in December. That is, she’s won all these vital states, DESPITE her negatives.
Thusly, brob, is worried about some silly poll numbers, when the numbers that count are those relating to the GE.
No Recall I wasn’t.
You know, your analysis would be interesting if this was the general and there was actual vote . . . which is the only time the electoral college comes into play. But since this is not the election, the “electoral college” analysis is about as useful as tits on a bull.
So let’s tally: we have the “she wins by GOP rules” argument, the “electoral college” argument, the “”Black votes don’t count” argument, the “caucuses don’t count” argument, the “Obama can’t win California” argument . . . you have all these arguments, but one fact remains: HE IS IN THE FCUKING LEAD!
Maybe if you actually overtake him, THEN you might have a point. But until then, you folks are just making yourselves look silly
He’s in the lead, because he’s reaming the fine folk of FL and MI.
This is the primary, and even with only FL included (where both BO and HC were on the ballot) she’s in the popular vote lead.
So if you wanna play only in the primary sand box, let FL/MI vote. Then come back to me with your who’s in the lead.
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We’re about to get hit by a mofo of a supercell tornado so I’m off the KB for now.
also because his pals at msnbc, cnn, etc., made sure people didn’t find out about wright, rezko, etc., until after he built up that lead. if people knew then what they know now, he’d have had to drop out, way behind in delegates, long ago.
Now now, take your Xanax and calm down.
Leading is not WINNING. WINNING is getting the required number of delegates.
R-Bob
Tits on a bull? I bet you just wish huh Bob!
now bob, play nice or go home with no dinner.
Obama is going to need his disciple to be on a full time payroll and go on shouting every time he has a problem as POTUS.
Scoreboard!
I love to point it out from time to time. See, it’s funny, I saw the whining earlier about “Obama outspent me 3 to 1″, now you are whining about not getting another debate? What? No tears this time? C’mon! Let’s see some tears!
This is your problem, Hill-fans: she simply cannot win, but you are not willing to accept the truth. So you create an imaginary world . . . where the Dems use the GOPer delegate selection rules instead of their own rules; where the rules are changed in midstream because it might help the Warrior Queen of Tuzlah; where caucus states don’t count but disqualified states do; where Massachusetts is a “big state” but Georgia, with a larger population is not; wheer 9.2 rounds up to 10; and where the person behind on states won, popular vote, delegates, and money somehow gets to lead the ticket, while the person who ran a better campaign and BEAT HER LIKE A RENTED MULE takes second fiddle. This world, people, does not exist. Your candidate has higher negatives, no money, and trails in head to head against the GOP candidate. Handing her the nomination is akin to saying that the MAJORITY of voters who voted for Obama just don’t count. Yeah . . . THAT’S a recipe for success in November!
Watch. Learn. And until I see the number 2025, nobody has beaten anyone. And if you think Florida is settled guess again. He lost 8 out of 9 large states that democrats have ALWAYS needed to win. And adults don’t let children pick presidents. Now take a moment and read this interview with George McGovern as to why superdelegates were put in place, specifically to avoid another GE disaster with a candidate who surrounds himself with nothing but radicals, screaming children and college kids looking for excitement as a loser presidential candidate. Then you will understand exactly how secure in this nomination Obama is not.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/11/fmr_presidential_candidate_george_mcgovern_on
Ah, yes . . . back to the ole “Obama won’t win California” argument. Well let me clue you in to another way of looking at this: since Hillary obviously can’t win Wisconsin, Minnesota, Maryland, Vermont, Illinois, Washington, Hawaii, or Connecticut (all states that Obama won and Kerry won in 2004), she will fall 76 electoral votes behind Kerry and lose 362 to 175!
See how stupid your analysis is?
It’s battleground states, it’s simple. Any educated analyst will point out that it will come down to OH, PA and FL. All of the states that are closely contested between the parties HRC has won. Please don’t tell me you believe Obama is going to carry the south.
Guys, remember, the Paid Obamabot trolls get paid for the replies they can get out of us. Don’ t put money in their pockets. It’s not like they are here to be convinced or to convince.
Just ignore them, they’ll go back to HuffPo, DailyKos, or whatever slimy rock they climbed out from under.
Your analysis is still stupid for all the reasons I laid out. See, just as Obama “can’t win Ohio” because he lost it to Hillary, she “can’t win” Minnesota, Maine, Vermont, Wisconsin, etc. So she might as well hang it up, because by your idiotic logic, she can’t win either!
Wow… that’s really elevated discousre, R-Bob did you go to school at all?
Man you are pathetic; what do you think you are after with your meaningless comments? Changing someone’s mind? Highly unlikely. Picking up a fight? Go to a bar.
Note also that the most heavily Hispanic wards voted heavily for Clinton: ward 7 (70 percent to 30 percent) and ward 19 (65 percent to 35 percent). Hispanic voters may have contributed to Clinton’s 60 percent in Lehigh County (Allentown) and 58 percent in Berks County (Reading); those counties were 10 percent Hispanic in 2000, the highest percentages in the state. As I noted in a previous blog post, Latinos, like Jacksonians, have proved a heavily pro-Clinton (anti-Obama?) constituency.
How do you plan to win Arizona or Florida without the Latino vote? If you haven’t noticed, Obama has blocked the revote efforts in Florida and Senator McCain is from Arizona.
Did you also miss that Barak is losing to McCain in Massachusetts? If so, please check one of the earlier threads here.
Must suck to see these results, no?
now bob, i know you get confused. but hillary kicked your buxx last night. so today you are humiliated and mad like your whiny hero, obamanot!
No Obama won’t win california. He also won’t win florida and michigan since he arranged to give them the revote finger. He won’t win Ohio and he won’t win those hicks in Pa. He won’t get white women over 40, he won’t get seniors who have no problem swing voting, he won’t get gays and he won’t get Catholics (70 million of them), he won’t get Italians.So, tell me, genius, how is he going to win.
You haven’t been in politics very long have you bRob?
Barack Obama will NEVER be president.
Well, the latest SurveyUSA has Hillary easily winning against McCain in MA, but Obama tied and/or losing in MA (Obama ahead by two points). Doesn’t this undercut the notion that her negatives are holding HER back when it could very well be the other way around? It’s Obama’s negatives that are holding him back, and costing the general election to be won by McCain. Heaven forbid McCain wins MA!
If Obama can’t carry a blue state with the governor, the two senators and the blessings of many of the Kennedy clan, what is wrong with Obama? Hillary even went and won the MA primary with virtually NO endorsements from the MA political establishment. Obama had them all in his corner, yet still lost and looks like he’d lose the state to McCain in the GE. Also, if Obama has to campaign hard in MA just to keep it, that means he would have less time to campaign in other battleground states, almost all of which he couldn’t even carry in the primary season.
I was quite astounded that Obama does so poorly in MA. This is the reality of Obama; he’s unelectable in 2008. Not even close. And what happens when Obama is blown out of the water in November? Will they be able to blame Hillary, as they are already preemptively trying to do right now? Will they blame “racist” American voters like places such as HuffPo have been desperately trying to do? Or will they look in the mirror and realize the disaster OBAMA has wrought?
Not only is Obama bad for himself, have you seen the new GOP ads, which I now refer to as the Six Degress of Kevin Bacon? Why? Because they are using the endorsements of Obama by two Democratic candidates for governor. The ads basically say that since Obama is an extremist because of Reverend Wright, then those that endorse him must be cut from the same cloth, and therefore radical extremists themselves.
I think this may explain why some SDs, particularly the elected variety, are very reluctant to back a candidate now because they have to suspect the GOP will use Obama against them in their own election cycles, either this year or two years from now. Right now, there is such a cloud over how the GOP will use Obama, congressmen and other elected officials who squeaked into office by thin margins cannot afford being linked to Wright through Obama.
My original fear is that Obama would become Dukakis: The Next Generation. He’s educated, coherent, which is typically denigrated by the GOP has a huge anti-intellectual streak. Obama’s “liberal” record makes him quite susceptible to the charge of elitism even before his SF comments. Now they have his own words they can twist against him. It’s also now common knowledge that he can’t break into blue-collar folks and the GOP will use that as well to drive their point home about how “out of touch” he is to middle America.
Obama might be a spell worse I originally feared. Instead, it may not be Reverend Wright as the “Willie Horton v2.0″, but Obama himself; a figure used by GOP attack ads against local candidates. They’ve begun in North Carolina already, as was mentioned above.
Preach it to another choir…Brob
God. If there was ever a group that deserves the candidate that they support it is the obamabrats. You are all a bunch of haters. Hate America first. After that, hate all women. Then hate “typical white people.” If you have any time left, hate lunch bucket Democrats. And, for good measure spread your venomous hate on anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Close down websites, slash tires, beat people with signs, fix caucuses ….
I will be PROUD to vote against Barack Obama in any way I can. Did it here in Ohio. Every time I donate money to Hillary Clinton, I picture Barack Obama’s smug mug talking to the effete elite in that “closed” fund-raiser in San Francisco and it makes me feel GREAT to give him the finger that he was so classless to give to her.
There. Thanks for joining us this evening, B-lob.
We heard so much on making nice so that we’d support Obama. After a day of the likes of you, I am more committed than ever before that I would rather vote for a Republican than ever ever vote for your candidate. Happy?
R-Bob better known as Rodeo Bob
Sounds like you have a fetish for bull tits and mules honey. What’s up with all of this bovine fantasy romantic holiday talk of yours - huh? wink wink
I hear they’ve got a good Obama rodeo scheduled for your kind of guys comin this summer in Denver.
Cowabunga!
Sorry no open thread…. Lou Dobbs question tonight….Do you believe there is a gender bias in the media against Hillary Clinton?
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/
Go vote….
The real truth, even when the Democratic field was filled with candidates, Obama sucked at debates. It wasn’t until the MSM started fawning over him and giving him a pass as Democratic hopeful after Democratic hopeful left the race. Then it when it was down to him and Hillary, people like Russert, Williams et al were down right vicious in their obvious contempt and hatred for Hillary. But Hillary stayed strong, answered questions and kept her head above water. The first time Obama gets asked a few questions that he feels he shouldn’t have to respond to, therefore that’s why he was stupid enough to come to a debate without answers, the minute he gets roughed up a little bit he does what? His punkass flatly refuses to debate anymore.
Now if that doesn’t look like some yellow-belly, coward shit I don’t know what does. Tell me, does he think that Putin hasn’t paid attention to that? Ahmadinejad? Medyevev? Kim Jong-il? The list goes on.
The Democratic Party needs to stop worrying about damage to the Party and pick the person who’s right for the country.
Could these people be any more stupid!
So you would have the candidate who LOST the race be the winner? She can’t manage to run a credible 50 state campaign with the name recognition, “experience” and initial cash advantage, but she should get a “do over” in November?
Uh huh . . . makes sense to me!
Hello,
Thanks for your comments.
The delegates decide who is nominated. That is how we determine who wins. And the delegates have not voted yet.
Hey Garlic Nose, did you hear the number 2025 yet? I mean the ones that are already committed can’t change their minds or anything, right. Naaaaaa.
Hello my friend,
See my post below for talking points. Let’s stick with them and keep hammering away. We got Obama on the ropes and by the screeching troll volume I’d say we are on to something.
Obama can’t run a fifty state campaign. Two states were stopped from revoting by him and his two senatorial co-chair thugs in Michigan –having blocked the bill to allow a revote. If you think Florida (record turnout) and Michigan are going to forget…..These are what are called SWING states. This means they have no problem voting republican if they are ticked off at the Democrat.
Again, correct me if I am wrong, but when did Obama become a Michigan state senator such that he had a vote? And exactly how did he convince the Hillary backers in the Florida congressional delegation NOT to do a rerun their?
Funny . . . she had no problem with “disenfranchisement” until she realoized that this was not going to be a coronation. Now its too late and she is whining and blaming Obama, a person with NO SAY ON WHAT HAPPENED? W.t.f. is wrong with you people! You Hill-bots have the common sense of a bunch of high school glue sniffers!
Those two Michigan bastards were CoChairs for the Obama campaign. They laughed right into the camera after they kept the bill for the revote out of the senate–and smirked, It’s good to be in the lead”. How stupid do you think Michigan is? Michigan, like Ohio and Floria and PA are SWING states. Obama is dead in all those places.
As for Florida, he refused to agree to a revote. He wanted another one of those hooting, threatening caucuses and they didn’t. What part of this do you not understand.
These people are MUCH pissed off.
People offered to pay for both of these primaries and Obama blocked both of them. If you think they won’t remember this, as SWING states, I want some of what you are having.
That’s right R-Bob, bye now. YAWN….
Oh, that’s right, we have erased a couple states from the map. Those two being the two most important states in the past two general elections, and you’re more than willing to flip them the bird, and stick the knife in and twist it.
Fuck you and your 48 state campaign you rode in on.
What? You Hill-bots didn’t know that there was more to the US than just NYC and LA and their environs? Well no wonder you dumb fcukers lost!
Lost what you little ass? I think we won last night … regardless of you and your silly little fractions … HE FUCKING LOST …. get it … got handed his hat, couldn’t close the deal, got fired, didn’t get the job, got his walking papers, didn’t make the sale …. with me?
Yeah, there’s a lot of RED states. Like Texas where Senator Clinton beat Obama in the popular vote. Go figure. Details.
They voted DFAD in the primary and will revert to their ‘bitter’ selves and vote REPUBLICAN in November.
And unlike the previous ascension, there’s no do-over on November 7th.
Yeah I do know. I also know there are Catholics, gays, white women, Italians, hicks who pray and have guns, and Jews. How come you don’t know that? There are only 70,000 catholics, so what the hell. And have you seen the numbers of Hillary supporters who will not vote for him in November? They won’t be staying home either. That includes if he tries that Hillary VP stunt. That would make most women even angrier. Plenty of us have watched women in second slots doing all the work to make some mediocre man look good. So if they think that will work, good luck with that. If he steals this nomination (and not letting Fla and Mich revote IS stealing), Hillary can just wait out four years of Yawn McCain. She’s not stupid in spite of the fact that she doesn’t have a dick, you know.
I also know that barry has a better chance of seeing God than he has of converting most of those red states. The only reason he won them was because of the AA community in the south. In November, Barry won’t be able to block Republicans from voting. And florida and Michigan are going to give him the finger, which he deserves. In the end he may be the nominee, but he’s a loser in November and a big one at that. Contrats.
Incidentally did you know Hillary beat out Obama last night among the latte crowd? In fact she took Upscale Bucks County 62-38.
Time is NOT Barry’s friend is it now?
exactly. at some point, probably very soon, the latte crowd is going to realize that it’s no longer fashionable to be for this guy, since he’s just your typical crooked, dirty, lying chicago politician, plus he’s overly fond of hamas and they’re overly fond of him. so they’ll move on to some other “cause” and leave him in the dust.
he’s SO february/march.
What part of Democrats Can’t Win without Florida and Michigan do you not understand. How long have you been following politics? You seem to be very new at this. If you weren’t you would know how hopeless it really is for Obama. Eh! Learn the hard way!
R-Bob R-Bob…didn’t your mommy teach you some manners? What kind of language is that? Watch your mouth kiddo; this is not high school anymore– you did finish high school, didn’t you?
Rodeo Bob
Your titty bull is waiting for you Bob. Better get back to the barn honey.
get clear, bob, you don’t make sense and we don’t give a daxx what you get.
But Obama can’t win unless the Super Delegates decide. You think you can wrap your peanut brain around that fact?
But what does that have to do with the way Obama is coming off like a punkass for all the world to see? That’s what I was talking about.
If he can’t handle Hillary how’s he gonna match up with the guys?
Sorry, but I don’t want to wake up to find Chinese soldiers under my window calling the shots.
ITM, 2025, pal. And just like Hillary he can’t make it without the SDs say so.
They’re going to decide this thing and they’re suppose to pick th one who can win and who is best for the country.
“Word has it that this rally was held at the same venue where Obama flipped Hillary the bird.”
Good grief… is it not enough to stick with real, valid things? You have to continue harping on something that didn’t happen????
Yup. I do.
Kevin
Are you okay today? Do you have a fever? A headache? Perhaps diaper rash? Something is obviously terribly wrong as you haven’t asked for a direct quote?
Should we send the paramedics? Not your usual MO honey?
actually having a wanna be president trying to act like a rapper gives me pause and heck yeah i think it has merit. those things are called red flags to be ignored at your own peril.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, the next USA President, last night, challenged Obama to debate, as scheduled!If he refused to accept, I’ll say & scream :”OBAMA, YOU ARE WEAK AND SCARED TO DEBATE A LADY OPPONENT!!!YOU CANNOT FACE HER? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIGHT FOR US AGAINST THE TERRORISTS??? WITH YOUR EMPTY TALKS???? WITH YOUR BRUSHING YOUR DANDRUFFS FROM YOUR SHOULDERS??? WITH YOUR MIDDLE FINGER TO YOUR OPPONENT???? COME ON, OBAMA, DEBATE!!
Utterly pathetic. Giving a speech to announce this in front of a friendly crowd of Kool-aid drinkers is laughable on its face.
How can anyone expect to be given the keys to US military when they show such cowardice and can’t even show up to a debate?
I think our global adversaries would take notice of such cowardice and perceive it as a weakness.
And I also think Hillary can declare victory of this debate since she is courageous enough to want to show up.
Obama is not acting presidential at all. He obviously does not really seriously want the job. And we won’t give him the job anyway. He’s kaput.
No candidate should be allowed to wear an ear phone and they should be admonished as the debate begins and ordered to remove it. He can’t answer anything unless its a memorized speech. He is just too dumb about the issues or anything to do with being the president of the United States. Someone, anyone, can you tell me if he has dual citizenship, Kenya and the USA? We should insist that he attend the debate. Aside from that I believe there has only been one one-on-one debate with just Obama and Hillary. Am I wrong?
See, this is what you Hill-bots don’t understand: you are LOSING! Losers do not get to dictate ANYTHING! You get to ask politely if he will join you in a debate to give your feckless candidate another bite at the apple. But “insist”? What friggin planet are you people on where the Number 2 candidate tells the Number 1 candidate what to do? It is that very arrogance, capotured perfectly in NOT PLANNING PAST THE SUPER TUESDAY CORONATION that has you on the outside looking in! Your entitlement mentality is so grotesque, you think the TRAILING CANDIDATE gets to set the rules? W.t.f.?
See below, dillweed. Maybe by the time you’re old enough to vote in an election you’ll have something better to do than work for Axelrod.
Its The Other FRONT Running cadidate Hillary Clinton, whose Known Florida and Michigan Supproters have been denied being added to Hllarys numbers by Howard dean and the DNC Imperial Deciders who DID pick the Candidate for the Party and Who are now trying to Manipulate the Game and the Numbers in Senator Obamas Favor..
Fair..?? No..The Games been stacked for obama, like buying off all the officials in a football game that kept calling Fouls on hillarys team..
Those are the facts J. Foreman..along with the other growing Exposures of Senator Obama and the Overt and Covert acts of the DNC so far…
As a man, I really relate to hillarys Courage and her Tenacity as well as How Smart and committed she is…Its as good as any Trooper i have served with..People are beginning to see who has the Dignity and quality in this race..
Hillary Clinton..
Come on over J. Foreman..You will have the Satisfaction of knowing you are standing up for whats good and bestabout America…its Political Process..and Womens Equality which is the Other great Civil Right process going on here..just as important as having a African American candidate for president..I say that, because at this time, Its the year of the WOMAN in my Opinion, and Hillary is leading the Way..She is the BEST Candidate and MOST Qualified at this Time,…She will Best Serve Our Nation..and ALL PEOPLE EQUALLY….
OK, Hillary, let’s see. You knew going in that they would not get any delegates. But you ran a dumb strategic campaign and decided to ignore the “flyover” states and you didn’t organize enough to be competitive in the caucuses . . . which, mind you, have been around for a couple hundred years. So now you trail the better run, better planned campaign. So the world is supposed to stop, change the rules just for you? Well, boo fcuking hoo! If you had planned better, you would not be in this mess.
It is not Obama cheating that gave him 12 straight victories and 14 out of 16; it was your own incompetence! And so he is the bad guy because he won’t bail your lame campaign out? Uh huh . . . the unmittigated arrogance and entitlement mentality of the Hill-bots reigns!
And by the way: there is no “other front running candidate”. You are behind in delegates, popular votes, states won and cash mainly because of your own incompetence. You are losing, not winning. The sooner you deal with that reality the better for everyone involved.
B-lob discussion as we hear you …. blah blah blah obama blah blah blah blah blah obama blah blah blah blah blah blah obama. Please take your discussion else where. Obama gives us all the blahs.
oh stfu!
LOL
B-Rob
What’s wrong? You poor thing! You must be so perturbed today. I can understand how upset you and your friends all must feel what with the results last night and all. But don’t worry, better days for you and yours are coming. We promise. Now please stop yelling as it will only exhaust your energies as you are sorely going to need them for the upcoming contests between your boy and our Hillary.
Here’s to the next debate - whenever your boy decides to come out of his hiding corner.
Hugs
Just bagged another Superdelegate! Scoreboard!
Just bagged another another… troll
How old do you think B-Rob is, when he has to cry “Scoreboard!” whenever he thinks he’s made a point? Weird.
I’m guessing eight.
The residents of NC that I know who are still undecideds or Hillary supporters will not vote for BO in the GE, this onliy reinforces their resolve because he is to chickenshi*t to debate her and if he does do a debate in Indiana, boy are we going to be pissed that he totally dissed us. He can so depend on this state for his vote that he can IGNORE us when it comes to a debate. That’s fine because either way he is screwed, if he debates she will thump him just like she did before and if he doesn’t he comes off looking, weak, scared and ineffective, not traits that will help him make inroads into the blue collar working people that he so desperately needs!!!
and odds are he’ll spend most of the next two weeks in indiana, since he thinks he has nc in the bag.
hope y’all show him he’s wrong.
What you don’t understand is America sees what a COWARD your inept candidate is. He will NEVER be president.
R-Bob, ok. I was patient with you b/c I understand you are sour and terribly bitter from your devastating loss last night; yep; Obama is a LOSER in the states that count. But you’ve become annoyingly boring so; times-up. Go lick your wounds somewhere else. We really don’t care about you.
This is so correct, my son. Obama does have dual citizenship. The United States of Amerikkka and the United States of Afrikkka.
Kevin…He did it, I watched all the film and looked at the stills, that Beliefs is pretty much held worldwide, People know what Obam is doing with His Bird Signs and Flip offs..They are getting into his background with Extremists and Terrorists, they are learning he is way out in Left Field with a Bunch of Extremists who can be considered to Think the Racial opposite of the KKK< who’s ideology and Militant Activism have been pretty much Eleminated..
The next Proceess in Eleminating Race Problems now is to move on to solving all race problems, Predjustice, Militancy and criminal Activity..
That Includes the Black race Problems, which are coming to Light, and the many other racial and Gender and Ethnic problems…so that we gets some consolidate Leadership for each group and problem and include it at the cabinet level somehow…
I agree with those now, who suggest that even Mayor nutter would be a good short list candidate for VP..
I would really like to see John Edwards heavily involed..on Poverty issues and Problem solving…with rwesponsible revenue spending, thightly controlled, and on Foundaiton Grants…which i believe have been Exploited ..and Money wasted..
Which brings Us Back to Senator Obama and Ayers..
Don’t forget the black helicopters!
Hello,
Thanks for your comments.
Patrick Henry is making a valid observation. You can feel free to disagree with his observation of course.
I find it troubling you are implying he should be institutionalized. I understand the use of humor and sarcasm, but I don’t think you were just trying to be humorous. Feel free to explain how I am wrong if you disagree with my assessment.
now bob, you are an axx and a pathetic one at that. you aren’t even good at that. at least bush had some funny trolls.
Forget helicoptors. What’s with that friggiin’ black suit he wears allllllllll the time. He always wears black. And she does his miserable wife most times.
i know. it’s so noi.
and dull too.
Uppity:
It comes from his time in Indonesia when he was once a rather rotund little rascal and was hideously teased by pale, cruel shepherds who traversed the streets at night calling out his name, taunting and ridiculing him for his choice of white clothing which made him appear even more obese than he actually was. OY! What to do?
A kindly, wise tutor, Imam Rashad Ibrahim, Barry’s Persian tutor, taught him that if he wished to make himself less the butt of town jokes, he should dress himself in black garb to disguise his unsightly fabola. OY!
It is a holy thing - a man and his suit!
Hey this is really cool. Two friends of mine who are Clinton bloggers in Indiana and who go by the names Obi-Wan and Jar-Jar decided to drop by a Barry campaign office and see if they could get a job.
The first thing they noticed was this line of PCs along one wall all open to Digg and YouTube. They were manned by a bunch of preteen pimply youths who were continually modding down anything pro-Hillary and modding up everything pro-Obama. They had bags of Doritos and empty Dr Pepper cans all over the place. There was also an overturned KFC bucket on the floor.
So Obi-Wan and Jar-Jar go up to what looks like the one in charge (she’s the only one looks 18 or older) and ask if they can sign up to help. They’re told they first have to pass a PQ test. PQ it turns out stands for political quotient and it’s evidently something all Obama workers have to take (and pass).
There were three preliminary questions ordered in terms of increasing difficulty.
1. Spell ‘hope’. (H-O-P-E)
2. Spell ‘change’. (C-H-A-N-G-E)
3. Use the letters the above two words have in common to form a new word. (If you answer ‘HE’ - for Obama - you pass. If you answer ‘EH’ you’re out the door.)
Both applicants passed the test this far.
The next part of the test involved watching five Obama stump speeches from beginning to end. Afterwards you’re supposed to answer the following multiple choice question.
In the five stump speeches you just watched and were totally thrilled by: how much of what Obama was saying was bullshit?
A. None of it. It was all true.
B. Some of it was bullshit. But not much.
C. I fell asleep watching the first one so I don’t know.
D. It was all bullshit but I’ll still work for him.
If you answer A or B you’re out the door. If you answer C you get the job. If you answer D they put you in campaign management.
LOVE THAT … thanks for the humor … come back often!
Yeah . . the Obamabots are real losers. So what does that mean that they are KICKING YOUR ASS?
Another Red State governor comes out for Obama.
Scoreboard!
Oh yeah the red state republicans are going to stay home in November. Do you know that Mississippi, for example, hasn’t voted Democratic in a GE since the mid sixties? And you think Obama is going to wave his hope-y change-y wand and fix that. The only people in red states who will vote for him are mostly AAs. It’s not going to happen. He will NEVER be president.
here’s how this works, b-rob, in the real, grown-up world. some idiot in a red state endorses obama. the red state stays red in the general. the idiot loses his or her reelection bid. the red state is happy again.
Very funny!
So I get it, the trolls will keep pounding away that Hill “has already lost” Jolly good show. That’s a smoke screen misdirection spin and disingenuous, to boot.
We will keep pounding away:
Obama is unelectable due to poor judgment (Wright, Ayers, Rezko, etc.) and what the Republicans will do to him. Well we see that video ad with Wright in it already as proof in the proverbial pudding.
The delegates will have to exercise wise leadership, take the heat from not being PC, and nominate the only chance for the Presidency: Hillary.
Oh and let us not forget the “riots” that will ensue when Hillary “steals the nomination.” yada yada yada
Nothing like using fear of mob rule in a campaign. And it won’t work: America is strong and resilient, look at Hillary!
We’ll easily survive any potential unrest.
The game is on.
Hmm . . . and yet the majority of Dem senators who have endorsed a candidate have endorsed him, a virtual nobody four years ago, and not her, who they have known since the 1990s? Wonder what that means . . . . Maybe we should ask Robert Reich!
Time is not Barry’s friend in case you haven’t noticed.
What state does Robert Reich serve as senator?
Superdelegate and he has know Hillary since college . . . and yet he went the other direction . . . .
LOL Robert Reich. He was the laughing stock of Corporate America. He made this series of tapes with W. Edwards Demming and he had this cartoon parrot sitting on his shoulder talking to him.
I stand by my assertion. Have you seen the Republican attack ad? I’d be interested if you would comment on that.
Thanks!
Yeah, I saw it. Let me ask you a question . . . you think there might be a GOP attack ad on Hillary? That is what I just don’t get . . . the fact that Obama has few skelatons in his closet is a BAD THING because of what the GOPers might do; yet you ignore the very real skeletons in Hillary’s closet (not to mention Bill’s) because supposedly all the dirt (and there is tons of it) has been exposed? How does that make any sense? It is much better to have them make it up with Obama, rather than use the very true stuff about the Warrior Queen of Tuzlah!
It is much better to have them make it up with Obama,
You can’t make up Reverand Wright. I work for a publisher … no one would buy that story ….
Do you honestly think “Reverend Wright” has legs into November? Puh-lease! Nope, they will have to make it up . . . saying he is playing the race card, calling him a Muslim, claiming he was a drug dealer . . . wait . . . those have been used by Hill-bots already. Well, they’ll just make something else up!
they don’t even have to write their own ads. all they have to do is quote from his own books, show videos of his own speeches, show videos of michelle telling us what a terrible country this is, etc. the ads write themselves.
It is my opinion Wright is a candidacy destroyer, that is, against McCain.
I think the Super D’s will be considering Wright along with many other things.
So on this point we agree to disagree.
Thanks!
Of course there will be attack ads against Hillary. We on the Hillary side feel she has been vetted on most issues. We also feel Obama has not been vetted. We feel she has a much better chance having the experience of the Republican attack machine on her resume.
Bottom line: It does not matter what I think or you think — the delegates will be making the decision.
Kennedy and Kerry endorsed Obama and he lost Massachusetts. I am mentioning this to put endorsements in perspective.
Casey in Pennsylvania anyone?
Seeing as the Dem leadership hasn’t done shit since their ‘big win’ in ‘06, I couldn’t care less about what they think.
Superdelegates have the right to change their minds any time before convention. Look at what happened to Lewis after they strongarmed him. He still has a look of pain on his face. Superdelegates are NOT bound to ANYBODY right up until Denver.
Lets hope that HRC’s win in PA and the upcoming primaries will swing the pendulum back in her favor….enough at least to get the SDs back to her side.
I’m afraid the hurdle for them to do so is less about these two individuals, but the fear of racial backlash.
Cite a reputable source for this assertion please, thanks!
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/31/844144.aspx
Thanks for the link.
That’s dated March 31, 2008, FYI. And the Super D’s can change their minds at any time up until the convention. That is my understanding.
Things are far from over.
Rober Reich. I think I already posted what a hysterical joke he was to corporate America with that silly cartoon parrot on his should talking to him in videos.
The point is, I can endorse you and you can endorse me, but we don’t pull the levers in the fall.
Another loser; he cound’t even survive the primaries in MA against a candidate so weak that ultimately lost to Romney. And R-Bob,
i am tuirted of your ignorance: Robert Reich was NOT a senator….
Another loser; he cound’t even survive the primaries in MA against a candidate so weak that ultimately lost to Romney. And R-Bob,
i am tired of your ignorance: Robert Reich was NOT a senator….
and yet the majority of Dem senators who have endorsed a candidate have endorsed him, a virtual nobody four years ago
That says more about how the old bulls view Obama as their new bitch. The Senate is prison and as
Red said…
So is your reality. No matter how you spin it, you just can win it.
And one of my favorites …
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Such is the “brief” fate of Obama supporters. A seperate unsustainable reality, they have sucked on the oldest pipe known to man. Hope. And still we are not free.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111161/quotes
Like I said,they had a bad night.
“Infantile base” is right. I was just over at Digby’s Hullabaloo where some guy name “dday” demanded that a stop be put to all of this voting immediately!
Stop the voting or we might lose! <–can anybody believe they’d be reading something like that on Digby’s blog ferchrissakes???
They’ve sold their values down the river, all for Barry.
And yet they wonder why 10% of the population of Pennsylvania was not persuaded … imagine
It was 9.2 points, which rounds to 9. Not 10. When you say “10 point margin” instead of the actual 9 points, you are boosting the margin about 11% higher than it actually was!
Sheesh! I know Hillary is ethically challenged but didn’t think her people would lie about the vote totals, too!
Please cite a reputable source for this alleged rounding off, etc. I am sure most people will be happy to use the exact figure, since it doesn’t change the fact it was a huge victory anyway.
Thanks!
Simple math:
54.6 - 45.4 = 9.2
You round DOWN from 9.2, not up. And it is a grotesque distortion to round 54.6 UP to 55, then round 45.4 DOWN to 45. Because that makes the spread look like it is close to 10, when it is actually closer to 9.
Hell, even if you were consist and rounded 54.6 up to 55 and rounded 45.4 up to 46, guess what the spread is? 9
Kindly provide a link to the basis of the simple math. It will actually help your argument anyway.
And if those are the exact numbers, I’ll guess the 10 point spread was prior to all the votes being counted?
If you are correct, I don’t see it as a large issue, and I am personally happy to use your numbers once they are verified.
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us
I imagine the “10 point margin” lie comes from some desire to exaggerate the size of the win to encourage the rapidly discouraged Hill-bots. But calling it 10 when it is actually 9 is an 11% fabrication! People have gone to prison for less!
What no fractions? Show me one state that was counted with fractions. 9.2. Crack me up. 10 for clintin is 9.2. For Obama, it’s 10. All righty then.
The point is, she just kicked his butt in a big swing state that Democrats need. That’s the 8th time.
And your beloved CNN just said she beat him among the latte professionals too. 54-46. Guess why? It’s the Women, Stupid.
As I explained before, the “Obama can’t win California” argument is about the dumbest one you folks have come up with yet! It is even lamer than “caucuses don’t count” or “Black voters don’t count”. Here’s a hint: if Hillary can’t be win the Obama states (and there are twice as many as Hillary states), she will lose by a margin close to McGovern!
Here’s a thought: maybe if Hillary had payed more attention to those flyover states that “don’t count” she would not be in the losing situation she is in, where she and her minions have to come up with assinine arguments like “she is ahead in the electoral college” or “she would win under GOP rules.” Yep . . . and if you got a point for first downs, the Patriots would be the undefeated Super Bowl champions! That ain’t how the game is played so stow the idiotic argument.
LOL at you R-Bob… stop spaming.
A fact is a fact is a fact. She beat him by 9.2, which is rounded to 9. She did not beat him by 10. I have no idea why you Hill-bots refuse to acknowledge even the most obvious facts, but there it is . . . sheesh . . . next thing you will claim you are in the lead!
B-Rob,
I think you forgot when quoting the 9.2 percent figure that:
You are correct, it is a 9.2 percent difference. I think people have been using the 10 percent figure because that is what CNN/MSNBC/FOX was reporting late last night.
I guess I am not a Hill-bot then, since I will use the correct figure, and thanks for the information.
And bottom line: it does not change the fact Hillary had a huge victory in the face of huge financial advantage of your candidate.
Thanks!
Please find me one official site that lists the percentage tallies of any primary or caucus using decimal points. Or are you telling me that when Obama wins by 10 points it’s ok to call it ten even if it should be a fraction?
I am waiting for those official results of all the point tallies of all the races that have been won. Good luck with that.
Name me ONE Obama win where CNN or anybody else called it with a decimal point. That should be less work.
No it is because ALL races are called to the WHOLE number.
and it doesn’t negate the fact that she kicked his ass.
I don’t want belabor this point, but is it common practice to round up?
Also, as I said, the 10 point number is what the major news outlets were reporting last night.
My way of looking at this, I’ll use the 9.2 number if it makes him happy and as you said, she kicked his butt anyway.
You really don’t even know basic algebra do you R-Bob: what was your best grade in Math at school? You did go to school did you?
The child needs to understand this- The GE is winner take all. No rounding up or down. He lost by 200,000 votes yesterday. He lost some NW PA counties by 64-36!
Get a grip son, your whining, unqualified, terrorist loving, America hating wuss of a candidate got his ass handed to him.
Should general insanity plague the sperdelegates, he will lose to McCain by a landslide! Obama is a walking lying security risk, the American people know it and they do not like it. Deal with it and grow up!
He’s a 38 percenter, just like McGovern. How embarrassing.
You forgot to mention there is no way in hell America will turn over control of its nuclear arsenal to him.
And I will never vote for him. I can’t see putting the lives of my family and community in his hands. That’s what this is about to me.
I guess its up to us elders to wage this battle.
You will need everyone of those voters in November. Do you find it a prudent policy to continue to insult people?
Speaking for myself, you can’t influence me, since you would have to snatch an Obama vote out of my cold dead hands, but I keep hearing about visits here from “undecideds ….” You might want to think about the influence of your flatuence ….
Let them keep going. This is how Mcgovern got his butt kicked. Only it’s even more serious now because of the internet. 50% of the reason so many people hate Obama is because they hate his followers.
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totally confused on this, can you fill me in?
It’s just a ping.
So many questions and Obama keeps hiding!
When did Obama really meet Ayers and Dohrn?
What sent Obama to NYC and Columbia U from Occidental in 1981?
What (or who) sent Obama to Chicago from NYC in 1985?
Was it really Rezko who got Michelle her promotion and double increase in pay, or was it all the trustees (Crown being chairman of trustees) and major donors of U of C hospital sitting on her husbands campaign?
Oh the list goes on and on people would like to know about Obama, the chanpion of transparency, who refuses to provide his schedules from pre-2005 and tax records to explain how he paid for his first home with such a large down-payment when he and Michelle were so deep in debt, then managed to provide hundreds of thousands in downpayments for his mansion when none of his book money had come in yet nor his condo had been sold yet or who would give a $1.3 million mortgage for a couple who’s prior 4 years earnings amounted to an average of less that $400 grand a year?
Oh the list is long Mr Transparency!
He may have spent some of Rezko’s money on buying a black helicopter! Check into that!
will do, right after you get your high school dipolma, so will get back to you in 3 or 4 years!
I pointed out to you before B-rob about the black helicopter reference when you used it against Patrick Henry:
Mel is making valid observations, ones I will add the Republicans will exploit to the max in the fall against Obama, assuming he gets the nomination. Have you seen the video the Republicans are already test marketing?
This blog is a cake-walk compared to what the Rovians will dish out.
Thanks!
In a Fight, You start Bobbing and weaving..because you got your Bell Rung..and Your know the other Fighter has a Good Counter Punch..A Strong heart, Good Skills , and has the stanima to go every round and finish the Fight…
his Options are..To get Knocked Out..To get whupped real good ..to the end, have swollen Eyes, and have the Judges give your opponent the Fight…or He can Just Thrown in the Towel because he is the LOSER…not Hillary..
He is now OBOBBER..
In order to prove he is a viable candidate, Sen. Obama must win NC by 30 points.
On the NC debate, why not let Clinton and McCain debate?
Why would McCain want to debate the person who will not be the nominee? He might as well debate Mike Gravel, at this point! Neither one of them has a snowball’s chance in hell of getting the nomination!
Hello,
I vehemently and totally disagree (with the Hillary part). Hillary can win if the nomination if the delegates choose her. Yes, I understand many people will be upset under such circumstances — but it is within the party rules. And there is always the wild card possibility that some other scandal worse than any of the others comes out. We probably disagree on the definition of an Obama scandal, but I think you see my point, or at least understand my position. I understand yours.
You imply this contest is over. I disagree, as does Hillary too!
Not a wild card. I would bet the farm on there being lots more skeletons in Obama’s closet that the media is keeping under wraps.
I agree, but they are not facts in evidence.
But I do agree in theory, yeppers.
Time is Obama’s worst enemy, Hillary does not have to drop out, she has cash and Obama can’t get the magic number of delegates to shut her out.
Something will probably spring out. People can’t keep secrets, its basic human nature.
All the troll whining is just noise and a distraction. We should stick to: Obama is unelectable and the delegates will decide this. Period. KISS principle! (keep it simple, stupid)
But the SDs are going to have to choose Obam too.
On Lou Dobbs tonight….
Do you believe there is a gender bias in the media against Hillary Clinton? Go vote…
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/
He is going after the NYT editorial… you owe everyone an apology for stooping that low.
If the winning candidate has to win by a certain margin to “prove” he is a viable candidate, then what does the losing candidate have to do to prove she is viable? And if he is not viable and she can’t beat him, what does that make her? Double non-viable? Or have these questions already been answered?
B-Rob,
I am puzzled by the 30 point assertion myself.
I’m going to get a life and will be back later. It was a pleasure meeting you B-Rob. If you hang around here long enough we might be able to “convert” you.
Seriously, there are some amazingly smart people here, albeit sometimes some of them are combative, but we are involved in a war of sorts, so ces la vie.
Ciao,
G-N-G
There is one topic I would like someone to explore if they would. Sen. Obama hangs his hat on unity and “getting along” I personally don’t want to get along. Getting along has only gotten us into this horrible mess we are in. I don’t want a witch hunt but I do want criminal acts investigated and punished. Until Sen. Obama gives up his plan to make nice with the repubs I can’t and won’t support him.
This is my first post and maybe my last. I really enjoy coming here. Thanks.
Mr. Obama is Mr. Milquetoast. He is not just a snob, he is quite frankly a snot. And his toady minions reflect his absolute lack of class. We say, you have your own sites, leave ours. As you would ask an unwanted guest to leave your house. Instead of leaving they stay and jabber even more. They respect no one and nothing, just like Mr. Milquetoast. Their sense of entitlement is a disease that will rot them to their core. Personally, short of telling them to fuck off and throwing them out of your house, I don’t understand why you bother to talk to them. They are unwanted intruders with no redeeming qualities. Ignore them, and discuss what you want. If you would like I can once in a while post hate filled invective ranting at all of us who are here. I could state at the beginning of such blog entries that I am a Clinton supporter just turning the whining turd Obamites into background noise. I, and everyone here, knows their stupid comments by heart, anyway. Why don’t we just dilute them out by co-opting their comments.
Example: Hey, it’s just me again. I’m writing the Obama troll line so you don’t have to hear it from them…”$#@$#% blah, blah, blah… “
And your candidate can’t beat a milquetoast. What does that say about her? Scoreboard!
Hello,
Can’t beat in which way? She just beat him.
And it depends how one defines a scoreboard. On the electoral scoreboard she is way ahead. I think I understand which scoreboard(s?) you imply, but that is only one consideration to the delegates.
We’ll see what happens at the convention. I am urging Hillary to do whatever it takes within the rules to defeat Obama, and you are obviously free not to like that B-Rob.
I think he would be a disaster for America, but that’s just my opinion. And I respect yours.
Ciao
George McGovern says Hi.
LOL
I don’t think these jerks realize how hard people are going to work against Obama if he steals this nomination from Florida and Michigan.
I know Scott already has the Hillary writein site ready just in case. I am not going to stop. NQ is not going to stop. None of us will stop. We will bust our ass to make sure this pig does not get elected. The numbers of hillary supporters who refuse to vote for him is growing and the polls reflect that every day. It’s going to be: Writein, Stay Home, or Vote for the Old Man. The swing states will not go for him and Florida and Michigan are only two of those. It’s over one way or another. He will NEVER be president.
Agreed.
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/
pls vote on ,,if media has gender bias with hillary
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/
pls vote on ,,if media has gender bias with hillary
use the link
Yeah like it’s a big surprise to them. lol.
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B-Rob, of the states that obama won, and for that matter, his number of popular votes,[ most of which were before the information about rev. wright, and the "bitter" remarks came to light], do you actually believe obama would have the numbers he does had the american people known all this before they voted?
Okay, I’ve made the maximum donations to Hillary that I can afford this month, so…I’ve decided that I’m going to keep count, and for each post an Obama**hole puts on No Quarter I will give Hillary $1 when May rolls around. That should probably take me to my government limit!!
i cant believe how all the morning shows SLAMED hillary.it was like they were reading from the same[script] word for word, ABC,CBS, and NBC.im coming to the colusion that the republican owned media is as controled as the russian /soviet pravda.
they ask her questions word for word from there republican scrip.mabe the republican party own all the USA media?
she was SO HAPPY!!!!. and they threw poo in her face , it was so sad.
It does not matter:
The people in the coffee shops and hair salons and at the water cooler are finally clued in about media bias and how wonderful a candidate Hillary is.
Stay positive, the media noise is designed to lower our morale. Mine remains high.
b-rob doesnt get it, obama is # 2….number 1 is peepee, #2 is doodoo…so obama is basically shit.
No debate - no mandate!
If Obama will not debate, he has no business running for President.
Well he figures he’s got the numbers now, so screw everybody. Is this really a surprise about this buffoon? He thinks he can thumb his nose at everybody and his thugs will threaten everybody to vote for him. The problem is, voting is private and boy is he going to get what he deserves if he thugs this nomination out of America. America ain’t Chicago.
People will report they are going to vote this way and that way but when they go into the voting booth
they can turn immediately and do quite the opposite of what they have professed to pollsters.
Obama is not electable in the GE.
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Like most revelations about Sir Obama, I’m finding his ducking the press when they aggressively take him on to be very disturbing. Frankly, it’s a picture of a man not ready to be President, or even a Presidential candidate. Not talking to any reporter for 11 days, was it, before the PA primary? Avoiding questions he doesn’t like?
Does anyone anywhere really believe that this man can
1] withstand what the GOP is going to do to him and his [alleged] record if he’s the party’s nominee?
2] get anything—anything—done if somehow he’s elected President? The Republicans will slice him into little pieces, possibly worse than they tried to do with Pres. Clinton [since they've now had another 10 years of experience in pulling effective opponents off-message and off-target].
The way things stand now, he’ll go into a pout and whine from the Oval Office. What a picture that makes!
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Why Exactly Has Obama Refused to Debate Hillary in NC?
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Wasn’t he the one that said the last debate spent too much time on pesky “distractions” instead of issues we really care about?
He performed so poorly at the last one, he can’t afford another.
He only likes it when he has a teleprompter or when he can direct what he can say.
How dare we question the great one. He only wants to be our President, after all.