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Krugman Nails It Again: “Self-Inflicted Confusion”

God, I hope he doesn’t have to work near Maureen Dowd. Surely he gets to write his columns at his Princeton office, don’t you think? Paul Krugman’s latest, “Self-Inflicted Confusion” is damn fine, as always, even if he is the lonely voice for reason in the NYTimes op-ed department.

First, there’s Anglachel’s “shorter Krugman”: “Act like Democrats, not Obamacans.”

Then there’s Digby on a similar theme: “[Obama's] ‘change’ campaign may seem a bit distant and abstract in the current circumstances.” — and — “Unlike Perot, who ran as a reformer in a recessionary climate in 1992, Obama doesn’t have the decades of business experience to use as a proxy for successful economic stewardship, so he probably needs to be more explicit in his economic message now.”

And there’s my new favorite quotation: “The Democratic nomination contest is a process, not a suicide pact.”

And now here’s Paul:

A few months ago the Obama campaign was talking about transcendence. Now it’s talking about math. “Yes we can” has become “No she can’t.”

Mr. Obama was supposed to be a transformational figure, with an almost magical ability to transcend partisan differences and unify the nation. …

Well, now he has an overwhelming money advantage and the support of much of the Democratic establishment — yet he still can’t seem to win over large blocs of Democratic voters, especially among the white working class.

As a result, he keeps losing big states. And general election polls suggest that he might well lose to John McCain.

What’s gone wrong?

That, the Obamatrons say, is Hillary’s fault. It’s her negative campaigning. If only she’d get out of the way, Obama could get through to the white working class. Not so, asserts Krugman.

[M]aybe his transformational campaign isn’t winning over working-class voters because transformation isn’t what they’re looking for.

From the beginning, I wondered what Mr. Obama’s soaring rhetoric, his talk of a new politics and declarations that “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for” (waiting for to do what, exactly?) would mean to families troubled by lagging wages, insecure jobs and fear of losing health coverage. The answer, from Ohio and Pennsylvania, seems pretty clear: not much. Mrs. Clinton has been able to stay in the race, against heavy odds, largely because her no-nonsense style, her obvious interest in the wonkish details of policy, resonate with many voters in a way that Mr. Obama’s eloquence does not. …

My answer? It’s what the people of Ohio, Texas, California, and most recently Pennsylvania have said: GIVE US HILLARY CLINTON.

Give us the candidate with the “no-nonsense style” and an “obvious interest in the wonkish details of policy.”

People may get a quick high off rhetoric. But in the end they want the one who can get it done.

Read all of Mr. Krugman’s fine column today: “Self-Inflicted Confusion.”

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Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-25 18:05:05

CNN Poll of Polls has Clinton and Obama in a national dead heat with 10 percent undecided.

I also see Obama is pimping Hillary’s oill company windfall tax now as well.

 

Comment by Other Lisa | 2008-04-25 18:05:18

Ah, Susan, but don’t you know, Krugman has jumped the shark?

/snark

 

Comment by jes | 2008-04-25 18:06:04

Krugman is the best. He’s brilliant, unbiased and understands the common man. That’s a viewpoint that you don’t see much in academia.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 18:10:33

Does anyone think Pelosi and Dean might have some inkling Obama can’t be elected?

If Obama were to bow out, FL and MI would no longer be an issue, certainly.

Where is the problem, I wonder?

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-25 18:16:05

Like Obama the chicken shit who won’t debate Hillary again Pelosi and Dean are too chicken shit to admit they made a mistake?

Pride is foolish indeed.

By the way Hillary and Obama have only had 4 debates together.

 

Comment by jes | 2008-04-25 18:16:17

Since the DNC is striking a deal to take money from Obama’s fundraising efforts, I’d say the FIX is in.

The question is. Does this deal pass the smell test? I’d say, NO. There’s a huge confilict of interest there.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 18:23:08

Can the DNC be sued for conflict of interest?

I would suppose Pelosi and Dean are subservient to other wealthy people, including Clinton supporters, they know where the bread, pardon the pun, comes from.

But still, only a half wit thinks Obama can be elected, and Pelosi wants to keep her job, as speaker.

She won’t, if Obama is the candidate.

Hey, I’ll read her tarot, if she wants…

Comment by Patrick Walker | 2008-04-25 19:10:33

Isn’t Cindy Sheehan running against Pelosi now? I think Sheehan could do a much better job than Pelosi. What has Pelosi done other than cave to Republicans time and again?

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 20:01:40

Shirley something, I thought?

But if the democratic downticket fails, Pelosi loses her speakership, and that’s very real, if Obama is the nominee.

 
 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-25 18:23:53

I am pretty sure he can donate to them from his funds but I also think there’s a limit Jes. Besides, he needs all the money he has. He had to spend 3 to 1 in PA just not to lose by doublt digit points that start with a “2″.

Comment by jes | 2008-04-25 18:35:52

If it’s legal then the law should be changed. The DNC is running the primary system and Dean is a super delegate. Obviously, if they take fundraising money from one candidate they will favor that candidate.

BTW. there’s a rumor going around the internet that Dean is behind Obamaa’s refusal to have the NC debate. That Dean is trying to stop Cinton from getting free press from the debates. Does anyone have any info on this?

 
 

Comment by scott | 2008-04-25 18:36:16

Yeah, the fix is in.
Obama/Pelsoi 08

It will happen. If that bastard gets the nom he’ll pick her to get the “female” vote and give the big finger to Hillary.

Comment by Kevin | 2008-04-25 19:00:18

“Obama/Pelsoi 08″

Now that’s just plain crazy talk. Will never happen - he’d never even consider it.

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-25 19:12:37

I agree. Obama don’ want no Ho on his ticket.

Bro’s Before Ho’s! Obama 08.

Besides, we who despise him still wouldn’t vote for him. It’s a silly idea. I wouldn’t vote for him if my mother were his VP.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-04-25 22:13:28

Now that’s just plain crazy talk.

I am the Ghost of Obama Present. It is time, Kevin.

While we are on the subject of crazy talk, I thought I might take the opportunity to ask you what you want in a candidate. Lets just put all the candidates back in the closet for the time being so they won’t clutter the place.

Look at the current state of human endeavor in this country;two wars;depressed economy;health care for profit;energy and environment degraded; our constitution; shattered in a million easy pieces.

It will take a generation to reverse the damage done by the current administration and the first question asked by someone with no experience and on the first day at 1600, is “Who am I going to call, before you get the call.”

Someone with experience will handle adversity differently. Keep in mind, need I remind you,we have shots fired in the gulf, Israel taking out a site in Syria that allegedly was built with the assistance of North Koreans, the Russians and Chinese invested in Iran, “food shortages” worldwide, the IMF and World Bank indicating they will put more M1 in to the system, 4 dollar a gallon gas.

In a time when we have been told, as a nation, not to sacrifice, while our family members are shipped to foriegn lands at great cost to the fabric of this nation. Shall we offer our liberty to this lie?

Our men and women serving in the military are being held up from returning home because ATA went bankrupt. Is that ANY way to treat a fellow American, let alone one who is serving this country?

This is the present, Kevin…but it is not time to leave just yet.

However you wan to spin it, 2.3 million people’s votes will not be counted.
People in Wisconson are have their power turned off at a rate of six hundred a day.
250,000 jobs have dissapeared making 40 dollars and a mule sounding better every day, regardless of color a person is…

Before I return you to the comfort of your familar surroundings, I would ask you a question.

Would you rather, as BO says, “tell people what they want to hear” or “what they need to hear”?

Or would you like many people choose niether? Instead, looking at the state of affairs, concluding it requires ADULTS, that have arrived at this point in time to lead, having gained this position through hard work and positive contributions to the nation.

Which is it?

 
 
 

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 19:01:02

And she is narcissistic enough to go for it, too.

Can you imagine being so removed from reality?

I would venture the woman is now HATED, outside her circle, maybe even within, especially because she betrayed democrats on the war.

Which will be another large issue, the war, and democratic inaction.

The Wright ads by the NC 527 also portrayed the democrats as weak, and unpatriotic, Obama was not the only target, there. Some people appear to miss that very important point.

And given Pelosi’s betrayal on the war (Rolling Stone had an article about this about 3 months ago)Rove has another weapon in his arsenal.

And Dean and Pelosi dont see it, at all.

But Clinton does…

Comment by Patrick Walker | 2008-04-25 19:18:31

If Hillary committed a betrayal with her war vote, how come she seems to be the only Democratic sentator being singled out for scorn? Didn’t Kerry vote for the war? We know Edwards did and apologized for it. Didn’t *most* of the Democratic Senators vote for the war? Didn’t Biden and Dodd vote for it as well? I could be wrong on the details but the overall point of this post is valid.

Comment by Psychodrew | 2008-04-25 20:28:56

She is being singled out because the Clintons are to blame for EVERYTHING!!!

It is their fault that Dems lost their Congressional majorities in 1994 (it had nothing to do with the corruption).

It is their fault that we are in Iraq (not Sen. Kerry or former Senator Daschle).

It is their fault that McCain is polling so well.

It is their fault that we have high oil prices, a sinking dollar, and a growing national debt.

It is also their fault that I am hungover today! And it will be their fault when I am hungover tomorrow. And I’m sure my parents blame them for my being gay.

 
 
 

Comment by OldCoastie | 2008-04-25 19:52:58

ooo - that would explain a lot…

 

Comment by bert | 2008-04-25 20:15:29

That would be suicide on top of suicide. Neither of them has any military expereince, and they would be up against a war hero and a former POW. He needs to get someone with expereince so he can blunt the charge of lack of his own expereince and prefarbly in the military.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 20:35:05

But that would be rational…

 
 
 
 

Comment by B-Rob | 2008-04-25 18:20:22

As soon as you come up with a reason why the leader should bow out to the underperforming second banana, I would like to hear it. So far, I haven’t heard one.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-04-25 18:31:08

He is immoral and has never been a leader of anything. Since kool-aid makes one oblivious to the obvious and partially deaf.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-04-25 18:37:41

con’t …you won’t hear anthing but the;

Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys,

The percentage you’re paying is too high-priced
While you’re living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he’s made on your dreams
But today you just read that the man was shot dead
By a gun that didn’t make any noise
But it wasn’t the bullet that laid him to rest
Was the low spark of high-heeled boys

.

Good luck thinking “hope” is going to feed you.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 18:55:33

One of the best piano riffs, ever, when I was a kid, spent a whole night playing it over and over.

Sorry…

Steve Winwood is one of the best, period.

 

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-04-26 06:29:30

Ah, TK, you are an individual of Taste and Discernment.

I used, “Low Spark,” as my Bumper Music when I did a local radio talk show about 6,000 years ago, mostly because Station Management wouldn’t allow, “Sympathy for the Devil.”

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-04-26 11:46:57

“Sympathy for the Devil.”

Played that tune for ever as an up and coming basement band. My friends mom would flick the light switch on and off…

“knock it off”! :)

I grew up with Alison Steele.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Steele

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-04-26 11:52:15

“Sympathy for the Devil.”

I grew up listening to Alison Steele.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alison_Steele

I did a JD gig in High School and was shut down after playin Frank Zappa.
The Principle did not like Sun Village.

 
 
 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-04-25 18:59:09

“He is immoral” - based on your personal sense of morality?? ROFL

What… have you forgotten the same charge(s) being leveled (and sticking) to both Clintons?

Oh, that’s right - there was that acknowledgement of being deaf and blind.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 19:06:43

He is immoral because he associates with Wright, and Ayers.

He is also immoral given his past actions in regard to Rezko, and Chicago housing.

This, even a low information voter can understand.

Wait until the big stuff breaks.

You may not see those things as immoral, god knows Pelosi doesn’t, but the rest of the country does.

When they speak of a bubble, this is what they mean.

It’s more frightening when people like you, kevin are in positions of power, determining war strategy.

You begin to think the same you spin, if you were ever capable of problem solving in the first place. And I have my doubts.

You see why we lose…

Oh, man, they’re cleaning the sewers outside my house today, but at least the smell is getting less pungent, I guess they’re getting unclogged…

 
 
 

Comment by Mary Jo Kopechne | 2008-04-25 18:37:51

Barry is the banana peel on which the Democratic Party is slipping into a McCain presidency. If you can’t see that, you definitely need to detox from the kool aid. Obama’s balloon is leaking helium.

Like it or not, Obama will never win the GE. He gained his lead early on ONLY because he was an unknown and gullible people who don’t have much sense and/or have not done their homework joined the Euphoria Movement, whose motto should be “IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, THEN IT IS!”

He took the caucuses by intimidating people and corrupting the process.

Since then the country has learned that he is only good at giving speeches, and then only if they’re scripted.

Obama is a liar and a fraud. Krugman is right, as usual.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-04-25 18:50:47

Curious how when faced with common sense facts; BO and his cult followers resort responses akin to “the dog ate my homework”.

Poor Dharma. Staring at the empty dog bowl that is Obama’s concept of morality.

 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-04-25 18:57:00

Okay… here’s my question to you and the others. Being as Hillary remains the most polarizing figure in politics today… why do you “magically” believe that she has less negatives and “chinks in the armor” than Obama?

Why do you believe that the GOP doesn’t have more material already set aside to pummel her with?

Because she’s shifting (depending on who you ask) to “Republican Lite”?

Seriously… just wondering.

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-25 19:26:14

Polarizing is a Republican talking point. At this very moment, both of them are VERY polarizing. Today Obama’s surrogate declared that people who aren’t going to vote for Obama are basically racist so who cares. Who do these people think are going to elect Obama, the African Americans, radicals, children and some former hippies who didn’t grow up because of acid flashbacks?

As for Rebulican Lite, it might come as a surprise, but the vast majority of Democrats are not hanging off the McGovern cliff. It’s just a loud bunch of radical leftist who try to hijack the party every decade and a half. These are the people who are the reason there have only been two democratic presidents in the past thirty years. And only one of them was a two termer, and guess why? I’ll wait.

Obama is McGovern on sterioids. he’s Dukakis all over again. They all got huge primary vote tallies, and by the time they were in place, people who knew they were and wouldn’t vote for them. Obama is just like every one of them. He’s a loser. If all those primaries, including the bully caucuses were held again today he would be in the fetal position, because now people know who he is. But that won’t stop this same stupid radical minority from fracking up another November for the rest of us. They do more damage to the Democratic party than anybody. Frankly they really should just re-join the socialist party and get the hell out of everybody else’s face. Then maybe we can actually elect more than two presidents in 30 years.

Comment by Dawnelle | 2008-04-25 20:10:16

I may be woefully late commenting on this but

RIGHT ON GF!!! That was awesome!

You are much better staying calm than I am. I admire that.

Lately, I cuss too much and get really angry while typing so all I can muster is a bunch of short PRONOUNCED sound bytes. lol - but these lemmings are WACKED! It’s NUTS.

This BO dude has become toxic.
They all realize it.
They’re just trying desperately to shift the blame to Hillary. It’s all her fault BO is tanking.

lmao, yea right! What whinny wimps!

 
 
 
 

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 18:38:02

He’s connected closely to a man who is filthy, and given the dealings of Rezko, and other politicians, it’s a safe bet Obama is corrupt, too. The meat of the testimony hasn’t even started, and Ata pleaded guilty, so who knows what’s to come yet.

Be realistic.

And when that breaks, he’s toast.

Secondly, even though YOU choose to ignore Wright, and the bitter comments, and Ayers, and Rezko, and Auchi, and Farrakhan, the rest of the country hasn’t, and it shows, I would bet even in Obama’s internals.

Anyone with half a thought knows how ALL of those issues can be exploited, throughly, but maybe you’re different.

And the house deal with Rezko is very smelly, every single day, to those who read and watch Fox news, it gets worse, and worse.

And the DNC leaders cant call it, can’t even understand WHY Wright affects the public.

Then they whine when they lose to Rove.

Well, this is why you lose to Rove.

As Larry posted the other day:

What do Obama and Osama have in common?

They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.

People dont like people who bomb the Pentagon, it makes them feel less secure when others attack, physically, American military headquarters.

 

Comment by jes | 2008-04-25 18:43:14

You sure assume a lot. You assume that you know who’s the first banana and who’s the second. You probably also assumed that BO would win PA and are having a tantrum that he didn’t.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 18:51:04

Not me, I think Obama is a terrorist enabler, personally, among other things.

Americans shouldn’t have to worry about their politicians blowing them up, just this thing I have about democracy, law, and equality.

Obama, Ayers, Auchi, and who knows about Rezko?

Excpet for the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, MI, Fitzgerald, and most of the Chicago and English press…

 
 

Comment by alexei | 2008-04-25 18:49:24

He is not the leader. Pledged delegates in a flawed and undemocratic process, does not mean he is leading. Clinton as far as actual votes including MI and FL (and both are certified and thus should count and the DNC has no legal or moral grounds to stop those from counting in the popular vote), she has the most votes ever for a Democratic candidate in a Primary. So, between a flawed and undemocratic system and counting actual votes, the popular vote reflects the will of the people and not the pledged delegates. She also leads in the total number of SDs (granted that Obama has significantly narrowed the gap, mainly in Feb.). Add that she also leads in votes from Democrats and in carrying the largest and most diverse states and has the most diverse coalition and is gaining with Obama’s base, Clinton is the clear leader.

And please, no more arguing that Obama wasn’t on MI’s ballot, he made a political calculation to pander to Iowa and NH and to ensure that Clinton couldn’t claim victory by taking his name off the ballot and convincing others to do the same. He has also denied a re-vote. Therefore, there is no reason that he should be able to claim any votes for this political gamble. That’s politics, any one who voluntarily is not on the ballot can get any votes.

As for the most states argument, what a crock. Most of those “wins” were caucuses, another totally undemocratic and unrepresentative process (also, there are real issues with intimidation, possible fraud and other misdeeds by the Obama campaign to make these “wins” suspect). And all of his victories were pre-Wright (except my state of VT, and its Dean territory). Polls have shown significant decreases in support for Obama and concomitant increases for Clinton in those states. I would bet that Clinton would win and at the minimum, be a lot closer, if the Media had did its job and vetted Obama instead of cheer leading for him. Finally, the so-called proportional distribution of delegates, is crazy and was a appeasement to Jesse Jackson. If the Democrats had what they use to have, a winner take all system (Repubs still do), then Clinton would have been the nominee after Super Tuesday. This whole mess is at the feet of the DNC though for disenfranchising voters.

 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-25 19:16:10

As soon as people here here decide what you thinks matters, I am sure they will come up with your demands.

 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-04-25 23:17:57

Obama couldn’t lead lemmings off of a cliff. No, wait, leading lemmings off of a cliff is exactly what he is doing.

 
 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-25 20:32:01

the short sweet answer is self inflicted confusion. also the know nothings that call themselves democrats in congress are for the most part a sorry lot who deserve their low poll numbers. with respect to readers i won’t write what i think of the obama cabal of kennedy, kerry, pelosi and reid. the anger growing in this country toward ALL THE insiders for the mess they have created is growing. now here comes obama with his new/change fantasy. he reminds me more and more of the old politics of rome. throw the crowd a live human with a lion and they won’t notice the mess you have created.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 20:38:34

But the people have noticed, so have others.

I mean, that’s why we’re here, discussing this issue, right?

Corrupt governments can’t survive, you have to figure someone in power, gets it…

 
 
 

Comment by ash | 2008-04-26 03:14:39

most in the academia are like sheep following the latest trend placed right in front of their noses like some myopic slugs. very few are able to see the big picture like Krugman. you rock paul :) !!

 
 

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-25 18:10:30

Thanks to Krugman for writing that and to Hillary for standing up for all Americans.

 

Comment by Andy | 2008-04-25 18:11:55

Krugman’s piece today is brillant. He understands it; he gets it. He knows. He is a really smart guy; the real thing.

Great post SusanUnPc.

Also check today’s oded by Geoff Garin at the Washington Post: Fair is Fair. Excellent as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/24/AR2008042402976.html

With so much trash coming from the media, the DNC and
the BOmaniacs it’s such a pleasure to read these to articles today. Nice contrast of intellect!!

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-25 20:32:56

krugman is so coool!

 
 

Comment by Charles Lemos | 2008-04-25 18:12:58

For Obama to talk about oil windfall profits like he did in Indianapolis today is really the height of hypocrisy. He voted for the Bush-Cheney Energy and spins that as “reaching across the aisle.” Senator Clinton did not.

More at:
Obama on energy in Indiana

 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-25 18:16:31

Watching obama’s rallies reminded me of those seminars in Corporate America. We called them “religion seminars”. Everybody gets all hyped up and floats away from the place with plans and ideas. Within a week, reality sets in and you realize the whole seminar was moose poop.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-25 18:21:58

OK but when does the koolaid wear off? It must be 200 proof koolaid?

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-25 18:25:52

I was talking about normal adults.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-25 18:33:32

 

Comment by alexei | 2008-04-25 19:24:41

That’s unfortunately, true.

 
 
 

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 18:41:17

Well, it is based on Amway, right, Amway marketing?

Eric Prince of blackwater is part of the amway family, right?

 

Comment by OldCoastie | 2008-04-25 19:57:09

reminds me of the est movement and Werner Ehrhardt in the 70’s… lotta feel good, not much substance…

Comment by rwc | 2008-04-26 00:43:11

Like most bad ideas it never really goes away, and in fact its still being taught in the San Jose area and still creates screwed up people.

The graduates were a rigid and humorless lot to say the least.

 
 
 

Comment by jes | 2008-04-25 18:19:14

Off topic, but interesting. Just saw this on Politico.com . Apparently, Obama is still using Wright’s name in campaign literature.

These people are not the brightest bulbs in the package, are they?

POLITICO.COM
April 25, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama

Not disowning Wright

Obama’s refusal to disown the Rev. Jeremiah Wright extends to continuing to use his name in campaign literature.

In this religious-themed piece, which was being given out in Philadelphia, the campaign quotes Obama’s account of his 1985 embrace of Christianity: “I heard the Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called ‘The Audacity of Hope.’”

By Ben Smith 03:23 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

 

Comment by B-Rob | 2008-04-25 18:23:14

Krugman is just pissed off that he hitched his star with Hillary and that gravytrain looks like its stuck in the station. Which is why column after column it’s disingenuous whine after disingenuous whine.

Comment by jes | 2008-04-25 18:38:06

You sound like you’re the one that’s pissed off that Hillary gets some unbiased treatment from the MSM.

 

Comment by alexei | 2008-04-25 19:28:19

Obama followers continue to attack the messenger - no rebutting the article because there is no logical way to do that.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 19:45:57

They are though chock full of information.

Too bad they dont get it.

 
 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-25 20:35:11

troll alert! an ugly virus is appearing on my screen writing smears. get the disinfectant!

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 20:41:08

Really?

other than usual republican like tactics, in which they drown, believing their own swill, and losing, continually?

Where is the troll?

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-26 12:47:59

it was snark, simon. i should have added that, but i thought it was apparent.

 
 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-04-25 21:00:31

R-Bob:

disingenuous whine after disingenuous whine.

I would say this is an accuarte description of all your comments: you nail it!

 
 

Comment by secularhumanizinevoluter | 2008-04-25 18:33:22

Obamalamadingdong better watch out! All those hundreds of thousands of dollars from oil EXECUTIVES and lobbyist bundled contrabutions from oil company workers might be demanded back!

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 18:43:47

Can they do that?

Really, if it were to break he was corrupt, had some deal with Rezko, or took money, can they ask for donations back?

What is the recourse, just as an FYI?

And as an aside, given the terrorist connections, if Obama is found to be in violation of the Patriot Act, can the government freeze his money?

I wonder what the law is, there?

Comment by may not have to leave party | 2008-04-26 01:06:19

they can send him to guantanamo. and likely should.

 
 
 

Comment by IndayHill | 2008-04-25 18:43:42

A very honest opinion, Mr. Paul Kruman. Thank you, SusanUnPc, for the post.
America is waking-up now from the mesmerizing rhetorics of Obama, and finds them shallows, empty.
America WANTS TO KNOW MORE OF BARACK OBAMA before it is too late. TV presidential debates answer the questions.Senator Hillary will give us the answers. YES, SHE CAN AND SHE WILL !!!

Comment by ash | 2008-04-26 03:21:39

personally i find obama’s rhetoric boring and soporific - the only hope he gives is to those suffering from insomnia — zzzzzzzzzzzz

 
 

Comment by Mary Jo Kopechne | 2008-04-25 18:49:42

I posted this earlier on a blog now passed and want to repost because I’d like to hear what others think.

I’m curious about something: Given the well-documented fact that Obama will NEVER win in the GE, and yet some SDs contInue to move toward him, what kind of payoffs, bribes, promises might be in the works?

I’m serious about this as a question. From what I understand, the SDs have never before been very important; they are mostly politicians themselves. Obama’s campaign has oodles of money and not much else going for it, and to my knowledge he is relatively uncommitted to a potential administration.

We hear that the candidates are talking to the SDs, and I don’t think it’s so farfetched that the most affluent one would be sweetening the pot. And I’m sure it can be done legally, through loopholes and ambiguity.

Obama’s a liar and a fraud, and Axelrod and Company are in the business of spin–great combination.

Is anyone investigating this?

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 19:56:28

You probably just answered your own question.

The parties, or Washington, may be so shattered everyone is in it for their own gain, meaning get as much as you can, look out for yourself, only. (Corruption will do that). Read about Rezko, read the trial testimony, and Fitzgerald’s observations, (Rove has strong IL connections, the former RNC treasurer is a big time IL fundraiser, close to Rove), indicating IL is simply a microcosm of Washington, and neither is no longer functional, the corruption has simply choked our government.

And it shows.

We have a broken government, kind of like a broken toilet, I suppose.

the best way to understand the thinking is, IMO, to read the trial transcripts.

I was simply amazed at the level of rot, and callous disregard for the public. Corruption doesn’t draw the best and the brightest…

Comment by Mary Jo Kopechne | 2008-04-25 20:28:49

Thanks Simon. I’ll read it. Where do I find it?

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 20:45:46

Try the chicago tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-court-story,0,7957753.story

They have a link to audio, also.

Straight from the horses mouth is best, really enlightening.

Apparently, Rezko, or Levine, tried to shake down the producer of “Million Dollar Baby,” apparently he ran afoul of Blago, the IL gov., who is up to his neck in this….

And rezkowatch provides invaluable links, always great stuff, paints the complete picture.

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-04-25 23:34:38

Regarding payoffs, I yesterday saw that since 2005 Obama has given 750,000 dollars to Superdelegates compared to 250,000 for Clinton.

Obama talks about “backroom deals” . sick

 
 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-04-25 20:42:45

Are you asking beyond giving money to their campaigns, etc, right?
Maybe there are some business connections being offered. The usual
“networking” should not be underestimated. Many of tehse people probably would love to sit in some board and get paid tons of $$ for nothing.
Of course the real story would emerge afterwrds if anyone cared to follow up what happens in the “lives” of these SD.

Comment by Mary Jo Kopechne | 2008-04-25 20:46:48

Yes. I see. I just learned about Obama’s PAC “Hope Fund America” which hands out bribes, I mean donations, to politicians.

HELLO PEOPLE. LOOK INTO THIS!!

Larry, Susan, Uppity, someone. Can we find out more about who’s getting the money from this PAC.

Comment by Andy | 2008-04-25 20:52:26

 
 
 
 

Comment by buckskin711 | 2008-04-25 18:52:36

who will tell obama that it is over ? i know, obama’s brain, axelrod….. the rev. at 6 on pbs. figures he would speak on that weenie far left fringe news channel. now, da man is going to be on fox, axelrod will probably have him wired so he can talk to him and tell him what to say and do with the questions, i dont know if chris wallace is up to it. i would love hannity to be the interviwer.they would have to give him several pillows afterwards for that butt kicking !

 

Comment by Ugo | 2008-04-25 19:48:02

Why don’t Sen. Obama get out so that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton can reach the Afican-American. Obama is the one causing all these problems for African-American.

 

Comment by DCDemocrat | 2008-04-25 19:52:47

Eleanor Clift writes:

“I’m beginning to think Hillary Clinton might pull this off and wrestle the nomination away from Barack Obama.”

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134012

She has been in the Obama is inevitable corner for a while.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-25 20:08:31

Wow great find! Thank you! Hillary is much tougher a competitor than Obama who doesn’t have the stomach to debate her now. They’ve only debated 4 times one on one. With the presidency at stake people expect someone as tough as Hillary. Non koolaid drinking people.

 

Comment by Eurogirl70 | 2008-04-25 20:17:42

On that note did you see last week when she referred to Michelle Obama as a “modern day Abigail Adams”? My mouth dropped open. I just couldn’t believe she [Eleanor Clift] said that. She has no understanding of history. Abigail Adams fervently loved her country. She was never quoted as saying “I am only proud of my country now that my husband has become President.” She knew what it meant to sacrifice. This was a woman who cleans, and tilled the land on her own much of the time, without the use of seasonal labors or slaves. She had herself and her children inoculated against smallpox and tended to them and herself thru their own illnesses with the disease. She never turned up her nose at hard work and in one letter chastised her own son John Quincy Adams for getting too uppity with people who were not as highly educated as he. She told him that he had been given great opportunities not afforded to anyone else of his generation. She told him that it would have been a grave insult had he not elevated himself due to those opportunities, but that in recognition of that, he [John Quincy] should not use those gifts as a means by which to distance himself from the plight of others or to make others feel small and inconsequential. She did not have a personal trainer, nanny, and housekeeper. In fact on her trip to France to be with her husband, she mucked in with the ship’s crew and proceeded to show them how to keep an clean and tidy boat and would not abide by the un-hygenic conditions. She loved her husband dearly but was willing to deal with the long absences because she knew what Adams was trying to accomplish in establishing a free and independent United States was so important. She never said “give me something.” In fact it was usually she doing the giving and the sacrificing. I don’t know what in the hell has happened to Eleanor Clift in this election cycle but I know that as she railed on Hillary last week, she was told by John M himself to get off her Obama lovefest and to quit railing against Hillary!

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-25 20:37:49

michelle makes me nails grown an inch and then i look for a blackboard to vent my fury.

 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-25 20:40:44

thanks for the insight. i am wondering if there are any historic figures left that the obamas have not compared themselves to? oh, i got it, the clintons.

but wait that is coming during the ge. they have no shame.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 20:50:43

On that note did you see last week when she referred to Michelle Obama as a “modern day Abigail Adams”?

Oh.my.god.

The brain does rot, doesn’t it?

I think Michelle is as corrupt as her husband, and when you’re taking money away from sick people (Michelle works for the U of Chicago hospital,where she was given a 200,000 dollar, um, raise, right after Obama was elected, strangly enough, and Rezko shook down the Edwards hospital in IL for 1.5 million, among other activities), forcing our insurance rates and taxes to go up, well, you’re no Abigal Adams, are ya, angel?

Uh.

Disgusting.

 
 
 
 

Comment by KG | 2008-04-25 20:22:40

From NBC’s Chuck Todd
One of the things that both Dem campaigns are always nervous about is defectors. In particular, Clinton is more vulnerable to this problem since she’s the candidate that is trailing. Well, NBC News has learned that a major fundraiser for Hillary Clinton, former Amb. to Chile Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon is leaving the campaign to join up Barack Obama’s campaign. Officially dubbed a “Hillraiser,” Guerra-Mondragon raised nearly $500,000 for Clinton’s campaign, according to some estimates. He has been informing people inside Clintonworld this week in what’s been described as some tough conversations. A formal announcement of a role for Guerra-Mondragon on Obama’s national finance committee will be made next week. Guerra-Mondragon was appointed Amb. to Chile by Pres. Clinton in ‘94 and served until ‘98.

Among the reasons for Guerra-Mondragon to defect, according to one informed source, was he was uneasy with the tone of the Clinton campaign and was beginning to worry about what this would mean for the general election. It’s unclear if this defection will lead to others; the Clinton camp has been particularly effective at getting folks to keep their powder dry. For Obama, this comes at a time when his campaign is trying to re-convince insiders that the math indicates he has the nomination virtually wrapped up. In addition, Guerra-Mondragon’s defection could serve as a tipping point with some key Hispanic Democratic leaders that Obama is ready to start making a bigger effort to court Hispanics.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-25 20:36:46

This post is full of spin as to ramifications. We’ll see how it actually plays out. It’s certainly not the end of the world.

 

Comment by Mary Jo Kopechne | 2008-04-25 20:38:25

Comment by KG | 2008-04-25 20:50:23

I can go away, but so did “Hillraiser” Guerra Mondragon, which is a lot more important.

Denying reality never works…

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 20:58:52

No, not true, the xerox doesn’t work, what are the factors, what has this man been promised, was he refused a position?

Is it really this difficult for you?

You know how Bush and Cheney and the republican and Obama trolls use this method, no critically thinking, poor flatulent arguments, with an assumption they can create their own reality?

Do you see the flaws, yet?

And they’re a mess, internally, arent they?

And if I know you think in the astroturf, PR way, I can feed YOU, and you wont know what is true and what is not, leading to a blind xerox, like this.

They never check to see if their own asses are being shredded, as they pretend to um, “agitate, or shred.”

Seriously, the stupidest things I have ever ever seen.

Corruption does not draw bright people, does it?

Three wars lost, three, it’s a BIG deal.

And you know why?

Because a lot of washington power people think like you.

 
 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-04-25 20:47:17

Good riddance Guerra (War) Mondragon; couldn’t care less KG.

 

Comment by Taters | 2008-04-25 20:53:31

Thank God the former ambassador to Chile didn’t defect before PA.. -snark-

Comment by DJ | 2008-04-25 21:13:42

And thank God he couldn’t take the 500,000 he raised…

 
 
 

Comment by GOPmurderedconscience | 2008-04-25 20:36:47

Susan is worried:

“God, I hope he doesn’t have to work near Maureen Dowd.”

Susan, he doesn’t.

Paul Krugman lives in and works from Princeton, NJ and rarely goes to DC or anywhere for that matter. I remember watching him in an interview saying he is very lucky because he doesn’t need to meet all these scumballs to do his job.

He doesn’t rely on some politicians to write his columns or do his work as one of the top economists of his generation. He doesn’t need to go to some parties to socialize with all these people who are so much better that the rest of us.

How do you think he got to remain so sane?

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-25 21:00:48

How do you think he got to remain so sane?

Yes, you’re right.

But it’s still Princeton.

 
 

Comment by Madison | 2008-04-25 21:01:26

Krugman has been a favorite for years. Too bad they can’t hire more like him at the NY Times.

Mo Dowd loves all the attention she gets in DC from the politicians. I hear they fawn over her. Uugh!

 

Comment by Madison | 2008-04-25 21:02:29

By the way, could HIllary supporters write a nice note to Dr. Krugman. He says he get viscous e-mail from the supporters of the “Hope” candidate.

 

Comment by Madison | 2008-04-25 21:03:01

By the way, could HIllary supporters write a nice note to Dr. Krugman. He says he get nasty e-mails from the supporters of the “Hope” candidate.

Comment by Andy | 2008-04-25 21:05:07

Agreed !! Post a comment also if you can on his blog.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

Comment by DJ | 2008-04-25 21:16:25

And please thank him politely for his help in advising Hillary about the Healthcare plan.
He always praised highly the plan (his plan) publicly.

 
 
 

Comment by ddh312 | 2008-04-25 23:07:32

Susan:

I’m LOL — literally — at your first two sentences. Very funny.

Paul Krugman remains logical, rational, and as even-handed as he’s always been. It is a relief to read his op-eds, which are common sense at its finest.

And at this point, he’s one of the ONLY opinion/editorial writers at the NYT that I can still read!

Thanks for giving Mr. Krugman some much-deserved kudos and credit for doing such a fine job.

 

Comment by splashy | 2008-04-26 02:27:55

Health care and the economy, that’s what it’s all about for those that are getting sick and dying because they can’t get jobs that give them what they need to survive.

Purdy words don’t cut it. A full health care plan, not half of one, is what we need.

 

Comment by Kourian | 2008-04-26 04:02:43

Surely he gets to write his columns at his Princeton office, don’t you think?

I sure hope so, Susan! Paul’s a class act.

Comment by kenoshaMarge | 2008-04-26 08:31:16

Most liberals used to think Krugman was one of the best. Then he dared to not favor the anointed one and now he is a favorite of the Obamacrats no more. :(

But so many of us are not wanted, or needed any more. Low-information voters. Out! Old white women. Out! Blue Collar workers. Out! And many more that I haven’t addressed but can all easily come under the heading of “those who do not support the One”.

Not gonna be much of a party when they get done kicking everybody out. But maybe they’ll make up for it with really great snacks.

 
 

Comment by Ron from S.F. | 2008-04-26 10:19:09

Ever since the death of FDR, with a few exceptions, we have had real problems finding a candidate who can get more electoral votes than the other guy. I don’t know how often the lemmings go over the cliff, but we manage it every four years. We can either continue to blame Rove or find better candidates. We should consider Nobody for President. It wouldn’t be much worse than where we are now. Or find a woman who is half black, half white, half hispanic and half Jewish. Helen Keller would have made a great candidate. A real hands on president.

 

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