Indiana & N.C. Results Thread
By SusanUnPC on May 6, 2008 at 5:39 PM in Hillary Clinton, Indiana, North Carolina
HILLARY has won Indiana, declares CBS News.
42% of precincts reporting– Clinton 56%, Obama 44%
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MAY I RECOMMEND that you watch FOX NEWS? I don’t think a single one of us should give MSNBC ANY rating numbers. Besides, Fox News does a great job, and Karl Rove’s analyses are quite fascinating since he knows the country so well.
INDIANA = 72 delegates
NO. CAROLINA = 115 delegates
(via Wikipedia)
AHA! UPPITY WOMAN stole my HOPE BONG a couple weeks ago.
I just stole it back. Pass it around, everyone! Give your Obamabot pals an extra hit!
Early results via Drudge for Indiana (hate to admit it, but he’s pretty fast at getting results up):
IN [2% PRECINCTS]
CLINTON 20,237 61%
OBAMA 12,935 39%
(It’s too hard to keep updating this so let’s all report results in the comments.)
(NORTH CAROLINA doesn’t sound good - perhaps double digits — I’ll never get it, but that’s just me. People voting against their own best interests, just to make themselves FEEL good.)
From exit info from A.P.:
The economy was on voters’ minds in Democratic primaries in Indiana and North Carolina. Two-thirds of Democratic primary voters in Indiana and nearly as many in North Carolina said the economy is the most important issue facing the nation. That’s more than have said so in 28 previous competitive Democratic primaries with exit polls this year.
Only about one in five in each state said Iraq was the top issue, and even fewer picked health care from a list of three issues.
Four in 10 Indiana Democratic voters said the current recession or economic slowdown has affected their family a great deal. Nearly as many said that in North Carolina.
CROSSOVER VOTING
Indiana’s Democratic primary was open to all voters. About one in five said they were independents and one in 10 identified themselves as Republican. North Carolina’s Democratic primary was open only to voters registered Democratic or unaffiliated; nearly one in five voters in that contest called themselves independents.
DEMOGRAPHICS:
The exit poll estimated blacks made up about a third of voters in the North Carolina Democratic primary, about one in seven in Indiana. More than half of voters in both states were women, which is typical for Democratic primaries.
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It’s going to be an interesting night.
I hope so. I shouldn’t have looked at the headlines at Memeorandum.com and Drudge.
If it’s true, I’m going to need a wall to bang my head against.
If all I’m capable of is looking at my arm, seeing the color of my skin, and voting accordingly, I am not worth much. Imho.
It’s the African American vote, though, no more.
Remember in 1980,when John Anderson ran as an independent, or even Ross Perot?
That’s what the AA vote has become to Obama, nothing more, NOT decisive.
And you’re right, it is too bad, but it is marginal, IMO, he’s going nowhere.
I think she will take both IN. and NC……That’s just how I see it….Goin to Mass to light a candle for Clinton…..
Nope she’s gonna lose NC (sadly)
They are saying BO got 90 percent of the black vote in the early exit polls
I just hope she doesn’t lose by more than 10 pts. My daughter just left with 3 friends 2 just voted for BO (white 20 something women), the other isn’t bothering (also white), MY daughter for Hillary (and she’s half Asian half Euromutt) Me being the mutt. LOL :-/
grrrrrrrrrrr
After tonight, he is running out of African Americans to vote for him.
Great point, Uppity. Instant perspective. I love your posts.
Please keep religion out of politics. Please keep superstition out of personal philosophy.
She has every right to express her feelings and beliefs as she sees fit, and she has every right to say so here.
You’ll see plenty of religion in the General if Barky is the candidate. Most of it will sound very much like “God damn America.”
That’s cool, WCA - thanks! I go to a site - http://www.gratefulness.org - for the same purpose.
Very powerful and poetic Susan!
Delurking once again (I seem to be making a habit of this lately…not to worry, after this horrendous primary is over, I will retreat into the ether)
Susan, you, more than anyone, has revitalized my interest and involvement in political action, and I’m not even american. Don’t bang your head. You have done everthing that could be done and I’ve no doubt you will continue to fight. Well done, you are an inspiration, even to a 60 year old in another land. Keep on trucking! (as we used to say)
In more vernacular terms of today “You done good girl”
Don’t go back into lurking, participate, please…
THANK YOU!
It’s ALL Hillary. I haven’t been so motivated in a very long time for a candidate.
Usually, the MORE i get to know a candidate, the less enamored I am with them. With Hillary, it’s just the opposite…. the more I learn about her qualities, her brains, her knowledge, her grit, her energy, her never give up gusto, the more I SUPPORT HER. It’s amazing.
Susan-
Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication!
A few questions…
Why haven’t they called Indiana? Hillary has had a substantial lead. North Carolina is CALLED for Little Lord Obama and there are NO #’s reported? Grrrrrrrr…
Also, WTF does THIS mean?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/us/politics/04indiana.html?hp=&pagewanted=print
Are you kidding me? A school district is BUSSING kids to polling places for early voting? Unfrickingbelievable.
Sorry. Forgot to post part of the NY Times article:
Four hours north in Gary, a predominantly black city of 100,000, a vastly different debate has been simmering in the days before the primary on Tuesday: a Clinton supporter has questioned the school system’s decision to bus high school seniors to the county courthouse for early voting, field trips that some said looked like a way to try to produce higher numbers for Mr. Obama.
WTF?
Unreal.
Could be that they are allowing some polling places to stay open late.
And Susan I am patting you on the back over the net as well…..All of you at NQ who spend the time and talent…..Salute !
Thanks to you - I too have found that I feel stronger about Hillary daily. And to think at the end of December, I was very tepid toward her. LOL
Susan you are truly remarkable. The world needs many more like you.
Barack Obama: to know him is to loathe him.
HT -
may I ask where you are from. I’m from Germany myself originally.
Ignore the propaganda for sure. What time do the polls close? I won’t turn on Fox News until then. MSNBC (Make Sure No Body Clueful) I won’t watch as they will instantly start talking about how Hillary can’t get the nomination blah blah blah.
We know the truth, Hillary has to lobby the SD’s and we can help her convince them they have to stand up to Obama and his thugs. Our nation as we know it is in peril if we don’t stop Obama now, not later.
Click my name/handle for some ideas.
Hillary is going to pull this off, but we can’t be afraid to go tooth and nail by all legal means available to help her. Fuck fear, its being used by Obama and we’ve added in our own fears and I think its holding us back from victory.
“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself…”
—FDR
Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself…”
—FDR
Thanks, Garlic-Nosed Guitarist. I need that reminder right now. I am just a wee bit down. You are helping get back up. Yhanks. I needed that
We will defeat this devil.
The MSM — ignore them for the duration.
Work towards helping Hillary by donating time, energy and funds if you can. And above all else stay positive.
The game plan is to lobby the SD’s. All the bullshit on TV is a diversion to sap your energy and keep your morale down. I’m only watching the tube tonight to see Hillary give her acceptance speech. Look for her to mention the “tiebreaker” as I did in the post if you click on my name/handle. Terry M. already mentioned it this eve.
Regards,
Your Friendly Neighborhood Morale Officer
To add, should Clinton get the nomination, I’d rather reach into the republican base, hoping they, too, could start voting their own self interests, as opposed to a tired, empty ideology, that has betrayed them, also.
It’s not only the AA voter, it’s the knee jerk republican voter, too.
Actually, Fox News reporting that Clinton is winning the crossover Republicans at 52%.
You can bet your bottom dollar that’s Republican WOMEN voting on her behalf.
Same thing happened in Pennsylvania.
I hope, it’s not only the AA’s who are voting against their self interests, it’s the republicans, too.
When I hear of them crossing over to vote for that insipid piece of crap, I have to wonder how they think they’re helping.
Don’t they too see the problems this country faces?
If they think McCain is legitimatley more qualified, Ok, that’s their choice (as long as he isn’t a blatant traitor, to me, Obama is, dealing with the group he does) but to just vote for him simply because he is Republican, without examining his qualifications, given what the country faces, is just as insipid as the AA’s voting for Obama because he’s half black.
Spike Lee, meet Rush Limbaugh, or Spike Lee IS Rush Limbaugh…
We know that we cannot - EVER — count on the far left. And it is folly to ever align with them. If by some miracle, Obama were to become president, the far left would turn on him in a heartbeat because he could NEVER live up to their impossible demands.
The far left is as bad as the far right. And they poison politics.
The far left IS the far right, just the flip side of the whackjob coin. They can’t make it in their own party. God knows they tried. So every decade or so, they try to hijack ours. And then we show them who their daddy is in November.
LOL! We need to say “who’s your Daddy” in this Primary. Any way, they are ineffectual - if the AAs wouldn’t be such a monolithic block - Hillary would have won a long time ago.
How about “Who’s your Mommy?”
In reality, they aren’t, women are, and the democratic “elite” are missing the point, again.
The greater trends are Hillary winning the big states, the arguments Larry and others here have made, and the Democrats should be supporting her, if they were serious about winning.
Why they’re focusing on this small contingent of AA voters is beyond me, but the decision making of Dean no longer surprises me, he’s no better than Michael Brown, when it comes to efficacy, and recognizing the pertinent factors that will decide this election.
Dean can’t win an election, and Cheney can’t win a war, and they’re both the same, really.
One plus one equal two is a conundrum for some, I guess.
Women and seniors are a HUGE block.
Yeah, I wonder why Howard Dean doesn’t see them?
Because they contradict him, and he can’t have that?
Because the only thing Coward Dean notices aside from a mirror is a TV camera….No ?
Black Americans make up about 13% of all Americans. It is not a large enough base to won a general.
A couple of times this primary season I have felt like just giving up and letting this young generation have their McGovern and get it out of their system. BUT after eight years of Bush and the neocons and the assault on our democracy and Constitution we NEED a Democrat in the White House to begin to restore and undo what Bush and Co. has wrought.
McCain was giving a speech some where today about appointment of judges, especially Supremes and that reminded me of why we need Hillary, so I will keep on keeping on.
It’s a circle the far right and the far left meet in THEIR middle. They have a different reality. We’ve seen a dramatic example in the Big Orange Satan evolving into the FREEPER hate website.
Nothing like watching the theory of political science come alive in real time!
Susan,
I’ve always identified myself with the far left, but even I’ve got brains (they tend to develop with age), and as much as I hate to say this, I completely agree with you. I will always have far left goals, but I have learned that they are achieved though diligence, perseverance, hard work, patience, and long-term commitment.
The alternative is a revolution (violent and ugly). America is in no way ready to do this right now, so the only alternative is to find the person most able to do the first.
Yes, rapid change would be better, but I cannot possibly understand HOW Obama could bring it about.
I remain a far-left idealist, probably for the rest of my life, but I still have a brain, and Hillary is the only one that has a chance to begin changing the course of the Titanic, and averting the disaster looming ahead.
The Republicans were hampered because they were hijacked by the Far Right. See what happens when you let Off-the-cliff people hijack? Extremism is the path to destruction. That goes for BOTH sides.
The republican rank and file, oh, hell even the “generals” of the party, buy into the same level of PR the AA’s do, what was that old saw about Hollywood stars believing their own publicity?
They really think the lies they spew are true.
I just understand some people. In one breath they say that The Clinton’s used “Race Baiting”. we all know that thats bull poop. but what is there to be said when Africans refuse to vote for a someone because they are not “Black” Enough? I’m no racist but I can assure you that the MSM would have been having a coniption, ( hope I spelled that right ).
Bovis Stercus ! = Bull Shit in latin….or Bull Poop if you prefer….
oops! I meant to say….” I dont understand some people”…. and “African Americans” sorry about that.
The race-baiting plus fear-mongering has come from Obama. He has been blaming Hillary for what he is doing himself. In the next release of Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary under the word “asshole” will be the defination: “Obama.”
Ironically, Obama has used fear of riots if he is not nominated and we’ve wised up to this horrific tactic: Now, America fears Obama.
No, it doesn’t, America is laughing at Obama.
But if needs to see himself as dangerous, well, more power to him, he’s self deluded, though, and that can bite…
Projection.
My prediction for tonight:
Hillary by 11 points in Indiana.
Obama by 3 points in North Carolina.
Hillary wins the (Obama’s words) “tiebreaker” then we go for the checkmate and put this puppy to bed at last.
Click my name/handle for info on the checkmate reference.
The MSM and the trolls will spin a different tail. Ignore them. Keep your spirits and morale high, we got Obama and his evil minions on the ropes, and Hillary will deliver the knock-out punch with our help.
My prediction
Hillary wins Indiana by 10
loses NC by 10
my dream
Hillary wins Indiana by 20
and NC by 5 pts
C-SPAN with 9% reporting in Indiana:
58% Hillary
42% Numbnuts
Fox has got 16% in
Clinton 57
Obama 43
Anybody seen NC? I can’t find it. (Yes I know it’s on the east coast haha.)
Every time you call him that I burst out laughing. I haven’t heard the term Numbnuts in a long time. Oh shit and shinola, CNN just called NC for Numbnuts.
How can they do that…..the Fat Lady Has Not Sung….
I’ll tell you something totally bizarre about CNN’s exit poll of NC, they factor in Republicans, if you are a republican you may NOT vote a democratic ticket. You have to be either unaffiliated or democratic registered, it is the ONLY way you can vote dem. So why do they have republicans in their exit poll? Beats the hell out of me…. They must have got confused, so stupppiiddddd MSM…
I think Hillary double digits Indiana and Obama double digits NC.
Thank you, GNG…I was feeling a little blue, watching the pundits say that she’s going to lose the nomination (even on Fox). Of course on the Networks That Shall Not Be Named, I heard calls of “if she drops out.” But I won’t lose hope. I’ll keep helping Hillary. And now, I check out your info.
Thanks again. I needed that.
Hey…That reminds me of the OJ Jury..A Brother is a Brother…Justice be damned…Some People think Justice is dragging some Poor White truck driver out and bouncing bricks off his Head..and looking for any Excuse to Burn and Loot..But..Hey..that reality is too sensitive to talk about..Now its the Relity of reverend Sharpton, Pastor Wright and Minister Farrakahn that Counts…which is setting the Civil Rights Movement back 50 Years…
Guess they forgot about the Part that says..”Blessed are the peacemakers..”..but then its Not the Gospel of Mark they follow is it…More like the Gospel of Marx…and Revolutionary Theology…not Religious Theology..
Hack…Patooee…
And this is Only the Election for President of the United States at its most Critical Time in History..
One a CAPITAL CRIME…The Other a CAPITOL CRIME..
You can’t say We here at NQ didn’t try ..
God help us All..
But you know, Patrick, it occurred to me the Republican voters are just as bad, those who follow Karl Rove, anyway.
And it goes really far in terms of understanding how to deal with them, and Rove’s tactics.
Bingo.
Groucho or Harpo ?….chuckle….
Hey, Patrick HENRY:
Have you thought ahead to the general, if he is the nominee? Dare I ask what you plan to do?
I’ve been thinking about it a lot, and I’m shocking myself with what I am thinking.
I think you are thinking what I have already decided. I won’t stop.
I actually made a decision a few days ago. I am still a little freaked out by it.
To me, it’s about what is best for the government.
No matter who runs, I will keep digging out the corruption, via Rezko, and the Chicago papers, et al.
In the end, it’s less about the candidate, and more about restoring our government.
I dont find McCain suitable, and I will not vote for him.
And if he’s corrupt, I think you have to stay on his ass, like a good newspaper man.
I guess more of that Royko thing rubbed off on me than I thought, growing up.
Aw I got here late and you guys got all the good seats!
Uppity…I’m Gonna slide over or Stand up for You Girl…Have a Front Row Seat..If any BumerBats run up…You trip em on your side and trip them on Mine…
Go Hillary…!!!!
Thanks Patrick!
well good friends, i am going to be kind to me tonight. i can’t handle this well after 2000. i am sure ya’ll know what i mean. i know in my heart i’ll probably think no, no i won’t all the while my hands are typing on my laptop.
anyway hold down the fort while i watch some nothing movie. i’ll be back for the champaign.
Current Numbers Indiana:
Clinton 70,225 58%
Obama 51,456 42%
Yipee!!!!!!!
Horseface is a loser and a pussy. He showed us his stuff already. It’s no stuff at all.
JOHN KERRY SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.
He is hate mongering to Olbermann that the only reason HRC is winning in IN is because Limbaugh told Republicans to run vote for her.
His voice was so full of bitterness and outrage, I switched channels.
This is just what the democratic party does not need. Olbermann and Daily Kos have been ripping the democratic party in half.
A U.S. senator who uses our primary to settle his own personal vendetta (angry at Clinton for not bailing him out for his moronic comment about our troops last year, blaming John Edwards for “costing him the presidency”)
This man is not a senator. He is as loony as Jeramiah Wright.
No one listens to Kerry, I wouldn’t even waste my time.
He creates a lot of noise, a useful idiot for someone, not Obama, though.
Oh and turn off MSNBC, they just want to keep our morale down.
Well, that, but who really wants to hear a room full of middle aged men fart?
Oh, that’s supposed to be commentary…
LOL! I’m with you on that!
Sounds to me like Kerry is a bit round the bend.
WHY are you watching that channel?! It is verboten!
Es ist verboten!
If Obama takes power we better get used to speaking German?
Hey Kerry-
Doesn’t seem to bother you when the Repubs vote for Obama, does it? Fucking piece of shit.
The only person who cost Kerry the presidency was John Kerry. Fucking coward ran to Europe instead of honoring his promise to the Democratic voters (of which he collected a shitload of cash) to count EVERY VOTE. He sickens me. Hell, he bailed on us before all of the totals were even reported. Asshole.
He never fought the Swiftboaters, either. Guess winning the presidency didn’t matter then. NOW? Oh my. Kerry is a fucking traitor to his constituency. Kennedy isn’t much better. I hope Mass. voters vote BOTH their skanky asses OUT. Who needs enemies when you’ve got friends like these?
Funny how Kennedy was behind 1000 delegates and he still took his bullshit to the floor of the convention. My. My. How times have changed. He sure seems be be singing a different tune re: delegates.
Do they really think we are that stupid?
The Obamazoids are in their online meeting. lol.
NBC just called N.C. for Obama.
No surprise. Gee, guess why?
What the fuckis up with CNN they called SC for Obama but I don’t see any numbers…but they won’t call Indianna for her and she’s stomping him at about 60/40. WTF?????
It’s CNN, Strawberry.
UNBELIEVABLE..just unbelievable..they call NC at exactly 730 pm according to the clock on my computer with no numbers called ..totally on the exit polling..wtf is going on..the numbers all day were called at approx 5% Obama..so they call NC for Obama with no numbers showing..hey does NC still have Diebold????????????
i bet…
what a freaking joke!
fly
You’re seeing it too? I swear, WTF? No numbers put up yet for SC but yet they’re are calling it for him?
Think Rove, and the typical Republican voter, the typical republican election.
Just like the AA voter, Obama, and the media.
Rove Republicans, like the AA voter, have to learn to vote competency and issues, instead of political ads…
No kidding. And they PROJECT that Hillary is the candidate that uses “Rovian” tactics.
It’s all about PROJECTION. Hell, haven’t we lived through 7+ years of stinking projection? I can’t believe these rat bastards are continuing to get away with this crap.
Yeah, and the funny thing is they project their own weaknesses onto their enemies, and fears, but being the good little narcissists they are, it never occurred to them a world exists outside of themselves, that is capable of manipulating …narcissists.
It never occurred to them narcissism is a weakness, a fatal flaw, they knew it all…
So they fight themselves.
Idiots, I tell ya…
it’s really sickening. they can’t call PA for over 30 mins and its’ a 10% margin win.
I do Not Hear A Fat Lady SInging Yet…..Course I’m down in Texas wthout cable…..This Po’ Cracker relies on you kind folks for info…chuckle…
Nobody doing exit polling at either my mother’s or my polling place. I have a feeling that they are totally calling it on the early voting. The numbers are up on CNN with 0 % reporting for my county meck, but BO has a 10,000 vote lead, that is early votes, not today’s votes at all. I only know one person who early voted personally so we will see…
Something is fishy, folks.
Fox called it for him too in NC
Indiana has different time zones and polls close at different times.
I heard the news say they agreed not to call IN until all polls closed ??
which should be now
Right, some of Indiana is central, and other parts Easern time, right?
Yes I would say they are waiting for Marion county to tally.
CBS, Katie von Kouric just called N.C. for Obama.
Pfffffssssssssssst!!!!
What was that?
That was your democracy, Basil.
Can we have it back and try one more time?
No. Sorry.
MSNBC’s war room, apparently.
Olbermann just opened his mouth again.
CBS carry a Politico story. Basically it’s all uphill now.
Click here.
SusanUnPc! You stole my bong that I stole from you! Thief!
Porter County in Indiana polls open to 8pm?
Craig Crawford is on Cspan 2 (he’s a HILL supporter)
early numbers for NC have Hillary ahead but it’s with not even 1 percent
NC (on C-span 2) shows Clinton 49- Obama 46…
Interesting how Huff Ho and all MSM called NC for Little Lord Obama IMMEDIATELY.
Also interesting how C-span 2 has the SAME #’s that CNN has for Indiana… Clinton 57- Obama 43.
Hmmmm…
Edit to add: NOW they claim Obama 66- Clinton 32 with ZERO percent reporting in NC. What the hell is going on here?
I think there may be an upset in NC….My crossed fingers are bout numb.
Mine, too!
She also stole your email address
They’re still showing 0% counted in NC and both Fox and CBS call NC. Something’s not right.
You can bet if Clinton clobbers him in Indiana, the spin will be “it’s not good enough”…while, his victory in NC won’t be called “not good enough” if he loses Indiana big….
I’m sick of it all…
Oh hell it’s never good enough. She’s a woman.
Wouldn’t it be strange if the the exit poll AA’s lied about voting for BO. Some of them? When asked in person they said “I voted for Obama” but didn’t.
Look at John Lewis, the pressure he was under to switch to Obama. He was shaken - said it was more pressure than he’d faced in Civil Rights movement.
Very possible. Especially with electioneering going on, so many violated the 50 foot rule.
In the current political climate with Meeeeechelle glarin down from on high…..I’d lie…..
ok forget I said that
the numbers just jumped big
From Fox:
It’s unclear how wide Obama’s victory in North Carolina will be.
There’s no explanation how to work their ‘magical maths’.
Fascinating watching the way they think, though, this is actually helpful, should Clinton win the democratic nomination.
I smell Backpedalling…..maybe……
He cheats by electioneering. I saw it here and I have proof from NYT on Wyoming too. I’ve never seen this in my life. Calif has honest elections.
Proof from NYT? Do tell. On Wyoming? Another CAUCUS state?
That SOB hasn’t been up 25 points in NC in a month. A proven liar, they want us to believe that he has MIRACULOUSLY rebounded? Bullshit.
They’ve got him up 30 pts ahead!!!!
I can barely believe it either!
It’s just like Rove, why does it surprise you, I would have been surprised if it had been anything different.
And I don’t count it as legitimate, and wouldn’t make decisions based on dubious, spurious results.
Susan, I’ll get you another Bong if you post our Seat our voters protest in front of the DNC tomorrow.
Indiana is still holding at 57 to 43 with 34% of the vote in.
A friend just wrote this in an e-mail:
It won’t help Barack in the fall when very many of the swing states have very low numbers of AAs whose votes will not make up for his loss to McCain among white voters. So if AAs vote 90 plus for Democratic candidates no matter what and we still don’t win states like NC and SC, why is this going to help him so extraordinarily now? It’s asinine.
They’re living in a FANTASY world. Obama hasn’t got a prayer against McCain. Good god.
Not Fantasy. Fear.
I dont think he will get the nomination, am I missing something here?
I mean, I can’t call it yet, why do so many assume he will, when his win in NC is due to factors not indicative of overall general trends?
Marion county is the county with predominantly black voters? Thats where that video of the Obamazoids violating the polling place was made.
Marion county is where Indianapolis is. And yes, there is a large black concentration there.
Marion County does not have predominantly AA voters….It’s just that Indianapolis and Gary have the highest concentrated AA population in the state….When I lived in Indiana it looked a lot like Ohio demographically speaking….
Gary is where the school district bussed high school seniors in for early voting.
ok, what is going on? All the tv channels are calling NC for Obama but it says 0 precincts reporting? So that’s the early votes? How can they be calling the state? Why aren’t they showing numbers like in Indiana??
Heck I can call NC for him without even seeing a return. 1/3 black voters.
Gary is a 30 min drive from Chicago…..Indianapolis is about a 60 min. drive from Chicago….
now they say IN is “too early to call” with 30% reporting, which seems ok, but with less than 10% of NC reporting they are calling it for Obama? Does anyone know where they show the numbers as they come in for NC?
I’m watching this link. From CNN elections. It has a county map
She’s gonna double digit him in Indiana.
Agree….She will cream him in the Cream corn state…..Teeheehee…..
I love corn. Too bad we may soon be unable to afford it, what with the party the corn growers are having growing everything for ethanol big bucks, which I think won’t do squat for us in the end.
Tis the one thing I miss about Indiana aside from the folks who are generally rock solid prarie folks…..THE CORN COMES IN FROM EVERWHERE…..AND IT IS SERIOUS CORN FEST GORGING WITH SWEET TOMATOES….. Yeah…..Love them Hoosiers….My daughter is a HOOSIER…..
Uppity….Funny How the CaRTELS Have us jumping through the Hoops Now…first it was 19 guys in Airplanes..that Pushed all the Follow Up Buttons..with an expense account of say $200,000 tops…causing BushWackos to go over the Top, and spend a Couple Trillion here and start a war with Iraq… then stick to the same old republican Politics as usual on top of It..
Now, OMG, fourty Years after We Had Gas lines, we now have gas guzzeling SUVS that people can’t even sell anymore..The Financial and Economic Blackmail Squeese is on Americans that President bush has never Reponded too..Since He just Can’t “Anticipate” anything..
So..Now we are being squeezed to Ruin and Endanger Our FOOD Chain..and Supplies..
Speaking of Connecting the DOTS…
Whats Next..Rationing and Food Lines…??
We only Have One Chance Left to get things Right..
Damn thee Left Wingers…Damn the Right Wingers
Lets all meet in the Middle…
We had the gas lines during Carter. You could only fill up on odd or even days, depending on the last number on your plate. People rationed gas and started buying smaller cars. Then Detroit lulled them back into a false sense of security and started making guzzlers again. We did this ourselves but putting what was there behind us, when we shouldn’t have.
All I can say is it’s looking bad globally speaking of course….
Food Riots every day in the news….This latest Cyclone hit Burma
in their Rice Basket zone as well as killing 15000+….Massive Crop failure in the Punjab….Europe and the US pulling back because our own stocks are low…..Sound familiar to any student of history….No ?
The Pharoh upon being told he would have 7 years of good and seven years of …
Kevin, the 3 horses don’t belong to any party, their names are War, Poverty and Indifference. It does not matter which you chose to ride.
Patrick Henry and workingclass artist are right to be concerned.
Teak we are getting increased international pressure as is Europe from the World food Bank because we have cut back so much….There is this new bill allotting $$ we don’t have for Global Aid….Ethanol is contributing but not to the degree that most folks think….We can feed ourselves if there is a national emergency but only for an alarmingly short time comparitively….Russia is stockpiling it’s national reserves in anticipation….China has reduced Crop output so much that they have become reliant on imports….Below the equator the weather has become so funky that crops are unstable…See Patrick Henry’s mention of Australia…What is also bad is the obliteration of fisheries all over and enforcing international law is going to get really hairy….
These are problems that will require a painful pragmatism coupled with the courage of a visionary….
This is FDR time and Clinton is the closest thing we have got….I thought it was telling that the Tories overturned the Labor party in the London Mayoral Race….An Omen perhaps
I addressed you….Teak cause you get it….So does Patrick….Rdancer does too but this is more than a recipe for what history has to teach us because the clusterfuck has more components than before and we are so UNSTABLE in so many ways….Globally speaking of course….There will be very few Voices of Reason….
It is very troubling…..Thanks for letting me lament…
Yes Artist…All Good Points…Thoughtful…Enlightened..
Yes…They all are Omens Now..Your Comparisons to FDR seem appropiate
..Different Game..Same consequences..
Visionarys..yes indeed..much Wiser and
Stable than Reactionarys..with Hearts that are More Pure..like Bilbo”s..
War. Poverty. Indifference.
Amen, Teak. Thanks for that reminder.
Americans don’t want to believe they’re subject to danger, just like the rest of the world, a large result of Reagan’s happy time cocktail hour.
Or maybe it was just a reflection of Reagan’s simplistic mind.
All the safe guards Regan removed have destroyed the traditional political process, I swear, once they saw the USSR coming apart, they just let everything go.
And I think they saw this as early as Carter’s administration, it just took 10 more years for the demolition of the USSR.
The historical response to these conditions has been isolationism……The only candidate who seems to understand this shit is Hillary Clinton…..She is a student of History…..
Tom Brokaw and Herr Obermann..and “Tingle” and “Tweety.. are all worried about how disenfranchised African Americans are going to feel if Senator Obama doesn’t get the Nomination now that
African Americans…(Black People) finally have thier chance for the White House..
Like that is the MOST Historic Aspect of this Election..I would not have any problem supporting an African American candidate..if thier Friends were not Known Terrorists..Radicals.. revolutionarys..and Marxists…and they lied to Cover it all Up..
What Total Sexist Contempt some in the Media show for, Hillary and Her Supporters..Those Supporters
who know Hillary is Best qualifed for the White House and Being President…No Matter what Race She is or What Party she belongs too…
Yes..Susan..When Our generation said “Far Out”..I wonder if they knew just How “Far Out” American Politics would go..
Now its Squirrels and “NeoNuts” every where..
Liberal Liberation….??…..
“No.. No… No..God damn the USKKK of A..”
Barack grew up Digesting “Black Liberation”..and that is what alot of those voting for him Expect..
Not The Rational Response Hillary has to offer.. Oh No, She’s a “Gasp” Woman…and a White One at That…
Guess how DISENFRANCHISED Democrats are gonna feel when Obama is shown for the lying, conniving rat bastard that HE is.
Just got home from work and came here to check the news.
As to them calling NC- my husband has been going crazy every primary date because they call states for the precious before half the precints are in but wait until 90% are in before calling a state for Hilary.
very fair and unbiased
It is true. But this is the way I see it. Obama said that Indiana is a tie-breaker. I’ll stick to that. Plus, what the hell can Hillary do about NC? AA vote went 93% for Obama. Good God, if that would have happened with whites for Clinton, reverend crazy would be preaching up and down US of KKK.
It goes on till June, convention, I don’t care. The tie breaker went to Hillary and her spokespeople shouldn’t stop from pointing out.
Something else screwed up about CNN’s, if you look at their election map, they have Beaufort county in their twice, also their results and Wake county in their twice also??? WTF is their problem….!!!
Look at this:
Indiana Counties
And look at ALL of the counties Hillary is winning.
From CNN’s website:
Remember when Obama was ahead in Indiana, or w hen it wqs too close to call? Now Hillary was SUPPOSED to win Indiana all along! The goalposts moved again!
This is simply not true, this perception was tweaked as part of a PR assault, by the bama’s team.
But see how they actually start to believe it?
If they wanted the truth, they would count FL and MI, look at the small states Obama won and consider their true relevance, look at the AA arm twisting and payoffs, republican crossovers and dirty money.
This is not a win, it’s a giant bribeathon, and it will fall apart. It’s as funny as Bush saying he had political collateral after the second election, when he announced he would try to steal social security for wall street. He thought he did!
oops!
Imagine making decisions based on this spurious garbage.
But imagine this is a general, making decision about Iraq, and wow, explains a lot, since that whole elite is so stupidly incestuous.
No wonder we can’t win a war.
It’s as funny as Bush saying he had political collateral after the second election, when he announced he would try to steal social security for wall street.
Perfect comparison.
Sad to say but I tend to view each of these primaries as a contest between Hillary and John McCain. A vote for Bambi = a vote for McCain in the general election because BO’s unelectable.
The AA base is as reactionary as the republican base.
The point is to help us all see the truth about the issues, and Washington, who really is the most qualified, the least corrupt.
It’s not a football game.
I can’t deal with this anymore. I am staying up way too late and getting up way too early reading all of these blogs. I am an ardent Hillary-supporter. I’ve made phone calls and went to IN Sunday to canvas. I’ve donated more money than I can afford and will probably donate more. I went to IN, from Chicago, a few weeks ago to hear Hillary speak.
I can’t understand why anyone would support Obama. I first became upset as the results of NH came in and his supporters started denigrating Hillary’s win by claiming it was the result of the Bradley Effect. This race baiting enraged me. Within a week his campaign falsely accused both Clintons of racism. Those phony charges caused the AA vote to turn against Hillary. If Obama hadn’t been allowed to get away with such lies, she would be our nominee by now.
Instead Obama leads. I am another 57 yr. old white woman who will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. I went to college during the 60-70’s and endured the craziness of radicalism at my college. The Berrigan brothers-two priest that threw blood on draft records-were guest lecturers at my college. I saw the Black Panthers, with guns, board a bus carrying my teenage sister. I have always considered myself to be a liberal Democrat, but not a radical Democrat. Nothing could convince me to vote for Obama, whose friends include Ayers, Rezco, Wright, and so many others. If he is the Democratic nominee he will lose. I would rather see 4 years with McCain and a Democratic congress than 8 years of Obama. If Obama loses, McCain wins, it will be Hillary in ‘12.
I can’t believe our country has come to this. I can’t believe the Democratic Party has come to this. I can’t believe that I have to admit that I will register as an Independent if Hillary is not the nominee.
I still believe more stuff will come out about Obama and Hillary can still win this, so we need to stay strong for her. I will keep praying that she can do this, with our help.
You are preaching to the choir Karen. Many of us are completely outraged. And rightfully so.
These nuts on Fox are saying that Sebelius gave a good State of the Union response and Obama should choose her for a running mate. What bullshit!
Is that realistic?
They have such a hard time, look at them frothing, and yet, they still lose, overall.
Why?
Ya know, not too difficult to psy ops the American press and political process, now is it?
And look at the disaster we face because of it…
Rove is on FOX salivating over what they want to do to Obama. Remember, all those middle eastern names haven’t even come out yet.
she’s moving up in NC and only 30% of the vote is in. Why are they calling it? it’s 514,000 give or take to her 358,000 with a lot to go.
The lady sitting directly behind Obama during his speech right now (she has short red hair, holding a white Obama sign, wearing a pink shirt) was sitting directly behind Obama when Obama was previously speaking from a podium.
Did I just hear this asshole refer to SOUTH Carolina?
Is’nt that where those big lakes are…..No that’s Oregon…..chuckle…..
And Obama is a product of elite private schools…..OH BROTHER….
Obama is makin King George look like a scholar…..SHEEEEEESH !
Okay, guys, I feel MUCH better!
Indiana 73% in:
Clinton 52%
Obama 48%
NC 47% in:
Clinton 41%
Obama 57%
Last time I looked, Obama was in the 60’s and she was in the 30’s…it’s a much more even race now in NC. And the NW region (the Chicago side) of Indiana is now in.
Oops, my bad. NW Indiana is NOT in yet.
and only half the votes are in. NC is a lot closer than they are will to admit on ALL the ObamaTV channels.
go Hillary go
I say NC is too close to call, she’s been moving up steadily, she’s within 8 points of him now
I know, Kathryn, the Highly Lip Glossed One on the Network That Shall Not Be Named (but starts with an M for Moron) was gloating when his numbers were in the 60’s at 5% in. Now that they’re closer, the gloating? Not so much.
I’m a little anxious about Indiana. I hope she holds.
sorry, typo it’s more like 18 points
I am flabbergasted at the disgusting bias being shown on tv. MSNBC is even darkening the Clinton ticker on tv to try to down play the fact that she is gaining on him in NC.
How dare they call NC, she’s within 150k votes of him and 43% left to count
It’s horribly disgusting and makes my stomach hurt.
Do what I do: Don’t Watch the Moron Network. I’m actually watching Fox and muting when an Obamabot comes on.
We can rationalize all we want… Intelligent critique means NOTHING. The f**cking powers that be will AGAIN nominate / put in power a DANGEROUS, ARROGANT, SELF-SERVING ASS… They will never learn… Nixon, Regan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr… now Mccain? Obamassole? It will never matter if Hillary wins evrything left etc… Too much is being done to keep her out! If this country lets her get away, I will leave and disown it. I’ve had ENOUGH! Its just too disgusting! Damn ignorant clones! **SPIT**
Sorry to say it guys -but you are sounding desperate.
Need to be objective or else you will be laughed at.
No, that’s simply your projection, we are really laughing our asses off at you, as we use your projections to troll you, and you’re too fucking stupid to get it, despite a cycle of losing you can’t break.
Try K**, though, they’re easy troll, some of the dumbest white boy you’ll ever see.
You’ll never win this way.
Oh, wait…
See, the republican/ko* type trolls arent smart, and they’re narcissistic.
They can’t recognize those of a higher intellect, because to do so would throw them into a narcissistic crisis, a rage.
So their personality disorder cripples them, they are caught in a Catch -22, they can never transcend their own limitations, allowing others to troll them, very easily.
You can’t transcend your limitations until you admit you have them, and recognize your opponent as superior.
They can’t do that, due to their narcissism.
Didn’t 8 years of George W. Bush demonizing our enemies teach us anything? People who don’t agree with your point of view aren’t stupid, or inferior, or narcissistic. They just don’t agree with you.
Dave, Obama is a traitor, really no more than a middle eastern op, so you’re either disingenuous, or stupid.
(Middle eastern ops have been known to murder innocent American citizens, and it looks like Obama has some connection to those people, making him a traitor).
And given the level of troll I see around here, I’m going with stupid.
If you don’t understand what I’m saying, or you think there is a way to troll this, well, you’re too dumb for me, son.
And you really are stupid, btw, the republicans are some of the dumbest heads I’ve ever gamed, or SEEN gamed.
And I KNOW it’s over your head, don’t bother, but, it isn’t the policy of the United States to support traitors.
HTH.
And you are narcissistic, your rage prohibits you from admitting it, it’s why you’re stupid.
It’s cute though the way you try so hard.
Shithead.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I’m not interested in being friends with Americans who betray other Americans.
And if you really think as simplistically as your weak minded attempts to troll, well, really…
LOL
Wow. The first time I read through this interesting response, I thought you were doing an over-the-top impression of hateful, non-issue-specific blathering.
But it would seem as though these are your actual thoughts. Rather than try to take pot shots at you, as you have at me, I’m going to attempt to take the high road.
Do you honestly believe that Barack Obama is a “middle eastern op?” Could you perhaps provide some evidence for this claim?
And while you’re at it, could you quote anything I’ve said and explain to me how it fits the definition of rage?
Not another “high road” projection…
Wow.
I’m not interested in pretentious trolls, with the IQ of a watermelon.
The reality is Obama deals with Auchi, who deals with Qaddafi, who blew up a plane full of Americans.
At the very least, it is NOT acceptable to take money from this man, no matter who you are.
That you even think this is acceptable shows a level of stupidity or denial that should be no where NEAR a decision making process for this country.
Period.
If you wouldn’t want your kid around this type of traitor garbage, (and Obama betrays all Americans when he takes money from Auchi) then you have no right making decisions for other people’s kids.
Can you follow it, or is the moral paradigm still out of reach?
Your faux outrage is boring, you’re too slow intellectually, show me some brains, here, meat.
And yes, if he, or his supporters, help to facilitate the laundering of money, either to Palestine, or Pakistan, or worse, he would be classified a middle east op, and I would venture tracked as such. Rezko? Syria? Problem here?
What do you call people who dally with hamas, say, and Qadaffi, and god knws who else?
Other than Cheney acolytes and business partners?
I don’t care
I don’t read
I don’t think
I don’t learn
All I know is
Hope!
Change!
Gimme more!
Gimme more!
Gimme more!
Oh Like the News media that is “Objective”..
or the DNC and Howard Dean..or Dick Cheney and
Lap Dog Libby..They are all turning into Junkies waiting for thier next “FIX”..
So…We can add Selling “HOPE”…to those not already Addicted to “DOPE”..
Its a Cult thing..in the 60’s it was” Hippys”
Now its the “HOPE~DOPES” Or “HOPPEYS” for short..
Think I’m gonna write a Song…
“
Susie…
The results will be in after midnight..Its all Gaming.. the Game..
Its Bigger than Me and You..Sue…
Think I want a Bowl of Ice Creme..
What’s the story with Lake County and holding off the reporting of votes? The mayor of Gary, Indiana is a huge supporter of Obama’s and states that Obama would rack up huge number there to overtake Clinton.
First off, I cannot bring myself to ever watch FOX if they have Karl Rove on it, don’t legitimize that b**tard crook ever. MSNBC is gone from my viewing habits forever. CNN tries to be fair at least.
On the Gary vote counts, there are rumors circulating that this mayor made a prediction several weeks ago that Gary would give Indiana to Obama. Smells like Ohio in 04 to me…
Interesting read by Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal” AKA “RokSki”: Obama’s North Carolina victory undermines his chances
http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=494
So while North Carolina looks like an impressive win on its face for Obama, when you realize that he received over 90% of the African-American vote from a heavily African-American Democratic contingent in a state which will not be going Democratic in the fall because that heavily-black vote will not be enough to offset the white and non-white, non-African-American vote in November, the win becomes much less dramatic. Further tempering its applicability to the question of November electability is that if one wishes to only focus on Democratic voters during this primary season, Clinton is clearly ahead. So on either the question of general election viability or on the question of who a greater number of tallied Democratic voters support, Clinton is clearly ahead of Obama. North Carolina not only doesn’t change this reality, it actually reinforces it: Clinton has shown she can win the crucial swing states, she can win states that actually have the opportunity to go Democratic in November, and she has the backing of more Democrats than does Obama. This is the reality.
Ha! Mayor of Gary got caught with his pants down! Had to wait over 5 hours for the votes to come in from Lake County. The mayor from Hammond called him out. Votes magically appeared, even though they were supposed to be electronically counted with no wait time with Hillary squeaking by.
They stole the caucuses and they tried to steal IN.
He screwed up, didn’t he? Somebody just bought himself a slab of concrete.
Yep. Wait for the MSM to start digging. Those that don’t get shivers up their middle legs that is. But don’t hold your breath. Fact of the matter: nobody in the MSM gives a shit. About anything. Much less fairness and democracy. Screw it. Kids will be able to read about democracy in history books - published and used only in other countries.
The North Carolina and Indiana vote counts do not pass the SMELL test!!!!! The polls could not have been that far off! Check out what the polls were reflecting for the past few days(with the exception of Zogby who has been off the mark for the past six months)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
You are correct. The results were rigged.
Do you think that they conveniently “forgot” to count votes?
Let’s say all is true - that all the votes (other than a few stragglers…) have been counted in IN. Is it possible that the counties where Hillary was going to, for sure, do good in were counted first only to show Obama’s leading gaining?
And, I still don’t get declaring Obama the winner in NC with 0% of the precincts counted. That is some BS there!
Something’s wrong here. I went to bed with Hillary in a twelve point lead in Indiana with nearly half the votes counted. At the same time the major outlets were giving North Carolina to Barry despite no votes being counted. That was strange enough.
I wake up to find Barry’s won North Carolina by double digits? And closed in on Hillary to within two percent?
Whfffffffffffff!
What was that? Did somebody blow one?
No Basil - that’s the sound of graft. That’s the smell of election rigging. Of Barry’s boys coming over the border to vote in someone else’s election. That’s the smell of Repugs voting in Dem elections to keep Hillary away from the White House. That’s the smell of Obama black shirts hijacking democracy.
So can we do it over? Can we get the stench out of here?
It’s doubtful, Basil. Sorry.
Plucked out of the international press.
It’s three in the morning. Nine in the morning back home. Here’s the latest version of all the articles I’ve written last night. It took six hours until an ornery area in the northwest of Indiana returned their votes.
The final result in Indiana was too close a victory for Hillary Clinton. OK a win is a win but it wasn’t enough. And at the same time Obama won a crushing victory in North Carolina.
Tally: Hillary is in trouble.
The famous NBC journalist felt very confident about the situation.
‘We know who the Democrat nominee is going to be.’
And he added:
‘The Clintons have a big decision to make tomorrow.’
Dramatic. Hillary’s normal reaction is of course to just push ahead and in such case she’ll be around until June. But she’ll be under a lot of pressure from the leaders of the party. The superdelegates will be fleeing to Obama.
Hillary also has financial difficulties. It would seem she has to use her own money and how much will she dump into a campaign she’s doomed to lose? Should she continue - or not?
She has to work through all of this and give her answers today.
She can say what she wants but now she’s going to get the media against her.
Adam Nagourney writes in the New York Times: ‘Tuesday’s results did not improve her chances to get the Democrat nomination. Her chances to pass Obama have been further reduced’.
Chief CNN analyst David Gergen thinks it’s over for Hillary. But the moment when she gives up won’t come until June. And she’ll be ‘very loved’, he predicted surprisingly.
Watergate journalist Carl Bernstein who wrote a book about Hillary:
‘She needed to show the superdelegates she had momentum. It didn’t turn out that way. The only way Obama can be stopped is if he’s run over by a truck - in other words if he runs into trouble like his pastor.’
Full speed ahead to the White House for Hillary!
Unbelievably Indiana have not tallied their votes yet. An area near Chicago is missing.
‘Crazy’ says CNN analyst Jeffrey Toobin.
Seriously he said it looked like good old fashioned classic corrupt Chicago politics until one sees what type of results are needed and then you arrange for the necessary results. This was of course an exaggeration and his colleagues laughed with him but no one contradicted him.
Hillary didn’t hesitate a second when she finally gave her speech in Indianapolis. Of course she’d won. She told her supporters:
‘Thank you. Now it’s full speed ahead to the White House!’
More.
It’s remarkable how quickly the psychology in such a marathon campaign swings back and forth. Two weeks ago when Hillary got her double digit victory in Pennsylvania it began to feel like the Obama saga was over. Now when he’s won big in the delegate rich North Carolina and lost by a narrow margin in Indiana it suddenly is Hillary’s curtain coming down.
And even more remarkable how one is influenced by this psychology.
It’s ten o’clock and 80% of the votes are counted. And the media still won’t pick a winner in Indiana. In the beginning when Clinton had a 20 point lead they seemed overly cautious - but not at all.
The margin shrunk successively through the night and when the results from the northwest districts Hammond and Gary come in it can shrink to nothing.
They are namely suburbs of Chicago that happen to be in another state - and Chicago as we know is Obama’s home state.
91% of black voters in North Carolina voted for Obama according to CNN. I shouldn’t report that, write some of the people who’ve sent me mail. Skin colour means nothing and therefore should not be mentioned, they claim.
One might wish it were true but to ignore the importance ethnicity has in this election - when the US can get its first black president - would be to shut one’s eyes to reality out of some misguided political correctness.
And now the magnificent John King is saying it will be until midnight before the Indiana counties in the northwest report their results.
And I’m not waiting that long.
Obama is giving a new victory speech - the first in over a month - that gets the CNN experts to jump for joy over his rhetoric brilliance. Especially for the part about what awaits in a possible campaign against John McCain in the autumn.
‘I am not naive’, claims the senator.
‘He better not be’, as they say around here.
And what happens now?
This is what I wrote in the commentary to the paper’s hard copy: ‘logically this should mean Hillary has to give up. It’s been a long time since she’s had a theoretical chance to catch up - and now the situation is even more dismal. And if she against all odds wipes her rival off the floor in the remaining primaries she’ll still lose. Big. But there is no chance in the world the former first lady will admit defeat.
She will continue to demand the results in Michigan and Florida - which were voided before the campaign began according to a decision by amongst others Clinton herself - are counted.
And she will continue to plea with the superdelegates who will be forced to resolve this mess in the end.
They will be told time after time that it’s only Clinton can win the big states, that only she appeals to the conservative Democrats who determine the outcome of ordinary elections and that therefore only she can defeat John McCain in the autumn.
Therefore count on this tedious process to continue until the last voter places a vote in Montana on 3 June.
And then the superdelegates will determine who will be the nominee around midsummer.
So what is this drawn out super expensive painful campaign circus good for?
Good question.
Remaining are West Virginia next Tuesday; Kentucky and Oregon 20 May; Puerto Rico 1 June; and Montana and South Dakota 3 June.
But as stated: no one can count on there being a candidate even on 4 June.
And now it’s time to go to sleep in New York. Goodbye.
I personally think both results were rigged. I suppose a recount could be good but somehow this doesn’t seem like what the HRC offices can tackle. I think they’ve lost important margins over the past months because they’re just not as well organised. And it’s a shame. But that Indiana and North Carolina return results so at variance with all polls - no. I do not buy that. The results were rigged and I can detect the stench of organised corruption far away. US democracy RIP.
I just read the transcript over at talk left on Donnidiot’s MELTDOWN on TV last night…..According to Donnidiot the new democratic pary oes not need WORKING CLASS VOTERS OR HISPANICS……
SHE JUST DELEVERED THE LOWER HALF OF THE UNION TO THE GOP !
THE HISPANIC PRESS WILL BE ALL OVER THAT !
Fox? The Ministry of Propaganda for the Republican Party.
Rove? A criminal who should be in jail by now–if it weren’t for the Bush dictatorship preventing his prosecution.
Drudge? A fascist liar and muck peddler.
Now I get it. This blog is for right-wingers who like Hillary. Nice.
I don’t question Rove’s ability to understand the electorate - but after what he helped do to Valerie Plame & Joe Wilson, do you really think we should give him or his network any exposure at all…??? I feel like my head is going to explode after reading some of these pro FOX News posting…?!?!?!
I personally think Rove’s a treasonous pr*ck and should be in jail - but hey that’s just me…
I know I could pull dozens of articles from this site alone that support my disgust for this guy…
– Mitchman
When the rest of them start reporting facts rather than tingling down their legs, they will get my viewership back.
I watch ABC because Charlie and George took shit for their debate. I haven’t had the others on in two months.
I read the newspapers on line.
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.”
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan