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	<title>Comments on: Pants on Fire: Obama Ad Falsely uses Krugman&#8217;s Words Against Hillary</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-228605</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 13:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people are totally blinded by your ideology. The Hillary/McCain plan is stupid, and all of you know it.  When Krugman said it would be a &quot;money circle,&quot; that meant that it would have NO EFFECT on prices. It is a gimmick, just as Barack said.  He should know, since he voted for a similar program in Illinois, which failed to make a difference.

Aren&#039;t any of you concerned that Hillary has been railing against economists, and the &quot;elite?&quot;  Who is going to advise her on economic issues, then?  This was pandering, plain and simple, and Barack was principled enough to call both McCain and Hillary out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are totally blinded by your ideology. The Hillary/McCain plan is stupid, and all of you know it.  When Krugman said it would be a &#8220;money circle,&#8221; that meant that it would have NO EFFECT on prices. It is a gimmick, just as Barack said.  He should know, since he voted for a similar program in Illinois, which failed to make a difference.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t any of you concerned that Hillary has been railing against economists, and the &#8220;elite?&#8221;  Who is going to advise her on economic issues, then?  This was pandering, plain and simple, and Barack was principled enough to call both McCain and Hillary out.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-227510</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bee,

I hope you&#039;re right.  I just wish the story could have broken before today&#039;s election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bee,</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re right.  I just wish the story could have broken before today&#8217;s election.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-227504</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason that&#039;s significant is that Obama falsely claimed that Krugman had slammed Hillary, when actually Krugman had slammed McCain.

In short, Obama&#039;s &lt;em&gt;falsely&lt;/em&gt; used Krugman&#039;s words against Hillary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason that&#8217;s significant is that Obama falsely claimed that Krugman had slammed Hillary, when actually Krugman had slammed McCain.</p>
<p>In short, Obama&#8217;s <em>falsely</em> used Krugman&#8217;s words against Hillary.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-227496</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope so, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope so, too.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Cupples</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-227107</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that you may be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that you may be right.</p>
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		<title>By: beebop</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-226937</link>
		<dc:creator>beebop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raising it as an industry to make up for the 18 cents would be very foolish economically and I would think might invite a peak into their practices as it might be an anti-trust violation, but I&#039;m no &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Constitutional Law&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; lecturer myself ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raising it as an industry to make up for the 18 cents would be very foolish economically and I would think might invite a peak into their practices as it might be an anti-trust violation, but I&#8217;m no <strong><em>Constitutional Law</em></strong> lecturer myself &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: beebop</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-226928</link>
		<dc:creator>beebop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krugman won&#039;t stand still for this.

He&#039;s not really someone you want to piss off.  He&#039;s no Howdy Dowdy or Rantin&#039; Frank.  He&#039;s a wonk and respected.

I can&#039;t wait for him to take Snoboma to task for being a typical politician willing to say or do anything to get elected.

Funny how the folks in next door Indiana ain&#039;t buyin&#039; it.  So, how many states near and around Illinois &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; voted for Snoboma?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman won&#8217;t stand still for this.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not really someone you want to piss off.  He&#8217;s no Howdy Dowdy or Rantin&#8217; Frank.  He&#8217;s a wonk and respected.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait for him to take Snoboma to task for being a typical politician willing to say or do anything to get elected.</p>
<p>Funny how the folks in next door Indiana ain&#8217;t buyin&#8217; it.  So, how many states near and around Illinois <em>have</em> voted for Snoboma?</p>
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		<title>By: bwana</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-226925</link>
		<dc:creator>bwana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 23:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe.  but only if the oil companies don&#039;t raise the price of gas 18 cents a gallon.  there&#039;s no guarantee that consumers will see any benefit from this whatsoever.

it&#039;s a gimmick.  a hollow, cynical gimmick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe.  but only if the oil companies don&#8217;t raise the price of gas 18 cents a gallon.  there&#8217;s no guarantee that consumers will see any benefit from this whatsoever.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a gimmick.  a hollow, cynical gimmick.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On average it would probably save .90 to 1.80 at the pump for thjose who don&#039;t fill up at every stop. 

Now for those who do, would you want fries to go with that order? You&#039;d save enough from a fill up to buy lunch or breakfast if you commute and are in a hurry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On average it would probably save .90 to 1.80 at the pump for thjose who don&#8217;t fill up at every stop. </p>
<p>Now for those who do, would you want fries to go with that order? You&#8217;d save enough from a fill up to buy lunch or breakfast if you commute and are in a hurry.</p>
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		<title>By: yttik</title>
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		<dc:creator>yttik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is mocking the gas tax holiday as if saving people 30 bucks isn&#039;t even worth it. His supporters out blogging are really offensive and out of touch, as if 30 bucks doesn&#039;t buy 15 school lunches for a kid. Or two cases of top ramen. I guess it&#039;s a case of &quot;just let them eat argula!&quot;

This is the same response Obama had to capping the credit card interest at 30%. He voted No, claiming it wasn&#039;t good enough. No shit, Sherlock, but it was better then the nothing your &quot;no&quot; vote gave us.

So if you&#039;re poor in this country and Obama becomes your Prez, be prepared to wait a long, long time for relief. He won&#039;t try anything until the perfect plan comes along. And where do we keep perfect plans? I don&#039;t know, I&#039;ve never seen one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is mocking the gas tax holiday as if saving people 30 bucks isn&#8217;t even worth it. His supporters out blogging are really offensive and out of touch, as if 30 bucks doesn&#8217;t buy 15 school lunches for a kid. Or two cases of top ramen. I guess it&#8217;s a case of &#8220;just let them eat argula!&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the same response Obama had to capping the credit card interest at 30%. He voted No, claiming it wasn&#8217;t good enough. No shit, Sherlock, but it was better then the nothing your &#8220;no&#8221; vote gave us.</p>
<p>So if you&#8217;re poor in this country and Obama becomes your Prez, be prepared to wait a long, long time for relief. He won&#8217;t try anything until the perfect plan comes along. And where do we keep perfect plans? I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;ve never seen one.</p>
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		<title>By: workingclass artist</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/06/pants-on-fire-obama-ad-falsely-uses-krugmans-words-against-hillary/#comment-226904</link>
		<dc:creator>workingclass artist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee Krugman....You just now noticed....Clean the windows of your ivory tower every once in a while.....Sheeeeesh !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee Krugman&#8230;.You just now noticed&#8230;.Clean the windows of your ivory tower every once in a while&#8230;..Sheeeeesh !</p>
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		<title>By: bwana</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;harmless.&#039; 

boy, there&#039;s a ringing endorsement.

&#039;harmless&#039; as in ineffective?  inconsequential?  insignificant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;harmless.&#8217; </p>
<p>boy, there&#8217;s a ringing endorsement.</p>
<p>&#8216;harmless&#8217; as in ineffective?  inconsequential?  insignificant?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it certainly saves little money for all of those Americans who get one gallon of gas at a time and thus don&#039;t notice that eighteen cents.

So Obama&#039;s economists may be right.

However, discretionary spending for other items would still occur in light of savings for gas, we&#039;re talking about 11.5-13.5% taxation rate there. Oh, the economy also drives more items, less shelf life, etc.

So it still gets a return on similar numbers in efficiency with regard to generating revenue, only this revenue spreads across more markets than just the oil producers.

Let&#039;s take Exxon&#039;s word for it instead, and keep paying an extra .18 per gallon. Every cent gasoline reduces in price adds a billion a day to our macro economy.

That&#039;s eighteen billion a day Hillary&#039;s proposal would put back into the economy. That money would be taxed at a sales rate and help demand for other financial sectors, in addition to relieving shipping costs that produce higher prices at retailers and grocery stores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it certainly saves little money for all of those Americans who get one gallon of gas at a time and thus don&#8217;t notice that eighteen cents.</p>
<p>So Obama&#8217;s economists may be right.</p>
<p>However, discretionary spending for other items would still occur in light of savings for gas, we&#8217;re talking about 11.5-13.5% taxation rate there. Oh, the economy also drives more items, less shelf life, etc.</p>
<p>So it still gets a return on similar numbers in efficiency with regard to generating revenue, only this revenue spreads across more markets than just the oil producers.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take Exxon&#8217;s word for it instead, and keep paying an extra .18 per gallon. Every cent gasoline reduces in price adds a billion a day to our macro economy.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s eighteen billion a day Hillary&#8217;s proposal would put back into the economy. That money would be taxed at a sales rate and help demand for other financial sectors, in addition to relieving shipping costs that produce higher prices at retailers and grocery stores.</p>
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		<title>By: requiemforadancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>requiemforadancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Krugman.

He said a more constructive oil policy is needed, all around, nationally, and he&#039;s right, particularly after the dimmer twins. 

A gas tax holiday, courtesy of Shell, Krugman has said, apparently, is harmless.


Do you understand this, or should I explain it more.

And the dimmer twins are Cheney and Bush, a take off on their soulful brothers, Mick And Keith, the glimmer twins.

Then there are the &quot;chemical brothers,&quot; but  I&#039;ll save that for &quot;famous politicians who use a lot of drugs to make it through the day&quot; day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Krugman.</p>
<p>He said a more constructive oil policy is needed, all around, nationally, and he&#8217;s right, particularly after the dimmer twins. </p>
<p>A gas tax holiday, courtesy of Shell, Krugman has said, apparently, is harmless.</p>
<p>Do you understand this, or should I explain it more.</p>
<p>And the dimmer twins are Cheney and Bush, a take off on their soulful brothers, Mick And Keith, the glimmer twins.</p>
<p>Then there are the &#8220;chemical brothers,&#8221; but  I&#8217;ll save that for &#8220;famous politicians who use a lot of drugs to make it through the day&#8221; day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bwana</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has the clinton camp come up with a single economist who thinks this gas tax holiday is a good idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has the clinton camp come up with a single economist who thinks this gas tax holiday is a good idea?</p>
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