I Call a Spade a Spade
By PaganPower on May 7, 2008 at 1:12 PM in Barack Obama, David Axelrod, Democrats, Donna Brazile, Hillary Clinton, Indiana, Jesse Jackson Jr., Michelle Obama, Obamedia, Race, Race Card, Republicans, South Carolina
Obama campaign strategist (and Adolf Hitler lookalike) David Axelrod stated last night that Hillary won Indiana because Rush Limbaugh mobilized Republicans to cross over and vote for her. He claims that 10% of the Indiana electorate were Republican crossovers and Hillary did very well among them.
Obama Campaign Points Finger at Rush
“There were elements of the Republican Party, including Rush Limbaugh, Sen. Clinton’s new ally, who were urging people to cross over and vote for her,” said Axelrod, referring to the Limbaugh-led “Operation Chaos,” a bid to disrupt Obama’s path to the nomination and prolong a divisive primary battle. “She obviously was somewhat a beneficiary of that.”
Let’s have a reality check here folks. It seems Mr. Axelrod is suffering from Cult-Aide syndrome. You know, that mysterious disease of sudden memory loss that affects Obama supporters. Because what Adolf, I mean David, Axelrod neglects to mention is that it was his savior, I mean client, Barack Obama who began this mischievousness of courting Republicans to cross over and be Democrats for a Day over a year ago.
Bush Latte: Obama “Democrat for a Day” scheme in Florida, not only in Nevada?
But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.
Not enough proof for you? How about this?
And if that is not enough proof that Obama has been the one behind all of this, take a look at the results.
Of course, Obama has carried Republicans in more states than Clinton has thus far, and has long pointed to this as evidence of his potential general election crossover appeal.
Notice the pattern? The Obama campaign starts something, then works their voodoo convincing the rest of us that is was actually Hillary or anyone else that was behind it all. The whole meme is that Obama is someone fresh, someone new and someone that preaches a “message” of hope and new politics. While conversely Hillary is polarizing, is responsible for the war and is willing to do anything to get elected. And people are buying into this bullshit.
How about a few more examples? Let’s source this pattern out and get to the bottom of things. It all started with Michelle Obama’s pronouncement in November 2007 that despite Hillary’s large lead among African Americans black folks would wake up.
Michelle Obama: ‘Black Americans will wake up and get it’
“First of all, I think that that’s not going to hold,” Mrs. Obama said of Clinton’s current numbers in an interview with MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski. “I’m completely confident.”
Acknowledging a certain reluctance in the African American community to back her husband for president, she said that support would come — but it would take time.
“Black Americans will wake up and get it,” Obama said.
Michelle Obama has never been one to mince words. She is a strong supporter of black segregation dating back to her days as a Princeton student. In fact her senior thesis (now permanently scrubbed until after the election) did precisely lament the fact that she has always considered herself a victim because of her race.
Mrs. Obama as an Ivy League schoolgirl
In her 1985 Princeton senior thesis, “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community,” Michelle LaVaughn Robinson lamented that white professors and classmates always saw her as “Black first and a student second.”
Yes, victimhood was a trait used by Michelle Obama early on. It is little wonder that she gravitated to the church where victimhood was the sermon du jour every Sunday during that most segregated hour in America. As Michelle saw it then and still sees it now, white folks would never accept her as is, they would always think of her as something less than them. So to her, segregation was the only acceptable way for her as a black person to be.
“further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”…
And this concerned her so much that she wondered if all black folks at Princeton felt the same way. She had it in her mind that being black was something more important than being a person. So her own identification started with the premise that she was black first and human second. I will make no mention of the fact that science has proven this assumption to be incredibly wrong. But don’t tell Michelle.
“I wondered whether or not my education at Princeton would affect my identification with the Black community. I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with Whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that Black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.”…
So in other words, in the world according to Michelle, hanging out with white folks made people forget that they were blacks. And that is according to her, something really bad. I don’t expect she was one of the people around the country that joined in singing Michael Jackson’s “We are the World.” She is more of the James Brown “I’m Black and I’m Proud” type of person if you ask me.
But then Hillary pulled off an impressive upset win in New Hampshire shocking the Obama campaign and the political pundits. And almost immediately afterward Obama’s Campaign Co-Chair Jesse Jackson Jr., son of Farrakhan friend Jesse Hymietown Jackson, and Grand Wizard of the JJJ announced Obama’s strategy very plainly. Watch for yourself:
How convenient that JJJ neglects to mention the tireless work Hillary provided immediately following 9/11 and how she took a leadership role as the following video demonstrates.
And then the infamous South Carolina memo surfaced that put it all into perspective and proved without a doubt that the Obama campaign intentionally played the race card to steal away Hillary’s strong African American support.
With his impressive win in North Carolina last night Obama once again received 90% of the African American vote. Does anyone actually believe that any group of people have the same political beliefs 90% of the time? If it was possible we wouldn’t have all the fighting and gridlock that has become commonplace in Congress since the beginning of our country. So it has to be something other than politics that unites 90% of the blacks. And I am quite certain that what it is that unites them is race. They support Obama because he is half black but he identifies as a black. Sort of like Joe Lieberman being an Independent but caucusing with the Democrats. Only difference is, they give Lieberman a Chairmanship and he takes it seriously. Obama, not so much.
After Hillary’s outstanding win in Ohio the buzz promoted by the Obama campaign was that Ohio voters were racists and that is why Obama lost so decisively. Exit polls from several sources promoted the same belief.
Race mattered more in Ohio primary than in any other state
In exit polls conducted for the Associated Press, 20 percent of Ohio voters surveyed said the racial backgrounds of Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton loomed important in their vote.
But what is not mentioned in this article is the percentage of blacks that voted for Obama. It is as if race can only be seen as a detrimental factor if white people use it to form their opinions and cast their votes. A full 87% of blacks in Ohio supported Obama for the nomination but what made the headlines were those 20% of Ohioans polled that considered race in their decision. The 87% black vote we are supposed to ignore or somehow gloss over. And that appears to be exactly what Donna Brazile and the DNC expect us to do.
Donna Brazile, the one that started the race war against Bill Clinton has concluded that blue collar white voters are part of the past and no longer a necessary part of the Democratic coalition which she sees as blacks, young people and overeducated whites (no offense to Uppity Woman).
Brazile vs. Begala on CNN: Brazile’s Blowout
But, Paul, you’re looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.
Before the election results came in last night SusanUnPC of No Quarter said something very important in response to a comment I made at the beginning of a thread. And my apologies in advance should I embarrass her for pointing this out. But in my opinion she is a very wise person that many more of us should listen to.
If all I’m capable of is looking at my arm, seeing the color of my skin, and voting accordingly, I am not worth much. Imho.
And that is the crux of all of this nominating process. What started out as a race of ideas has become a race about race. And this diary has pointed out several examples that back up the claim sufficiently.
Many of us in the Hillary camp are distraught at what this race has become. We feel strongly that the Obama campaign has played unfairly. We know that they have successfully exploited people’s fears of the consequences of having a frank and honest discussion about race. And they have used it at every turn and do so with the tacit acceptance of the Democratic elite.
In case any of you forgot, it was John Kerry that said specifically that what made Obama uniquely qualified to be President was his race. Never mind that Geraldine Ferraro saying essentially the same thing only a week or so previously and was vilified and attacked mercilessly as a racist by the Obama campaign.
Open Mouth, Insert Foot [Updated]
the color of Obama’s skin makes him uniquely qualified for president and even reach out to the moderate Islam world (VIDEO BELOW).
The message I get from this whole experience is quite clear. It is ok to be a racist if you are an Obama supporter.
What the hell has happened to our Democratic Party?
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
BRILLIANT PAGAN….GREAT POST….
Here is the $10 billion question.
Who supports Hillary pulling a Ted Kennedy and fighting the convention, no matter what the odds?
I know I support it. Ted was no where near as close as Hill when he took it to Carter. What does everyone else think?
I support Hillary Clinton in whatever she decides to do. Frankly, since Donna Brazile has now thrown us old Dems out of the party, I wish Hillary and Bill would start a new party in which all races and ethnic groups, women, GLBTs, working class people, the elderly, people needing access to health care, people who love being Americans, you know, old school Democrats, are still welcome and valued.
When you use “cute” phrases against Obama like “call a spade a spade” and make Hitler references, you are not helping.
Yes. Please delete the “Hitler lookalike” and rephrase the spade metaphor. As Clinton supporters, I think we shouldn’t stoop to that. Senator Clinton has always adhered to the highest standards and we ought to try to emulate that.
I agree. Hillary would hate this kind of thing. The rest of the article is A-OK. (Okey- dokey?)
i agree i would like yo send this out to my internet groups..but i will not with the Hilter stuff here..it is unnessesary…and unbecoming of all of us.
please delete that part..
I agree
good for you
Again, given your method of troll, how the hell would you know?
You’re not perceptive, you’re not bright, you have what, a college degree, but no talent, no creativity, no capacity for critical thought?
And how many people did you blow to get your job, beacuse you sure didn’t get it based on talent, intellect or personality.
Yeah use pitch fork instead since thats what Barkys followers were going to bring to the convention.
My dog is offended by your calling Obama “Barky.” Cut it out or I’ll get Jason on your case.
To call a spade a spade means to tell it like it is. I appreciate your opinion that doing so doesn’t help but I beg to differ. I believe that it is about time we did start telling it like it is and stop hiding behind the politically correct normal speak that doesn’t allow us to communicate. Something drastic and dreadful has happened in the Democratic Party. I am not going to shut up just because someone might misinterpret my words or become offended by them.
And seriously… you don’t think Axelrod looks like Hitler? Trim that mustache some and pluck those brows a lot and viola.. or should I say Ja wohl!
And there’s Barky
“I see nothing”
Then you’ll have no problem retitling this post “Telling it like it is” or “Calling it as I see it” since, as others noted, the spade metaphor is a loaded one.
As for the Hitler reference, I suggest you familiarize yourself with Godwin’s Law:
“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”
Axelrod is more like Karl Rove than he is like Hitler.
Using both totally derails your argument.
Using both totally derails your argument.
And yet, miraculously (or so you imply), you’re here.
Once again, America is that wonderful place were we are free to disagree. Don’t like it? Don’t read it. Don’t like it is fine. But don’t read into it. That is just looking for trouble.
No one can write anything too libelous or any comparison too extreme for you, eh? If Axelrod is Hitler, can I compare Mark Penn to Idi Amin?
No, you can’t your arguemnt is fatuous garbage, go back to a real college this time.
OTOH, grasshopper, Axelrod is using race as method to divide the US population. The AA community, as well as the republicans, are being exploited.
Can you see it, the difference, and why your comparison paints you as a moron?
If anyone ever asks you to start a war, say no.
You’ll lose.
You wanna know what’s amazing?
Prior to this election season, blacks have voted 99% white - despite the presence of black candidates in the race.
And you say that only NOW are we being exploited? Funny how no one complained when we voted the way others wanted us to. But now that a qualified ‘black’ man is running - never mind he is more white than black given his rearing - we are wrong for supporting him? Were Catholics wrong for supporting JFK en masse? Geebus, I cannot believe I’m wasting ink on this site.
This should be called a ‘dump site.’ I think I’ll go take a shower now.
I am not going to re title my work. Period. You are entitled to your opinion as to what I mean with my words. I have stated very precisely what I mean by them. And my meaning counts more.
Self censorship is why we got in this mess, I agree, Pagan Power.
I may differ but….I stand by your right to say it any way you see it.
I agree with Pagan, well said and Barry and company can bring anything to prove their point, same way we will do. Analogy ‘master mind’ accepted, well written, come on, how is the word Barry uses? yes…he will say ‘to embellish the cynical tone’, that’s what we need brave people to call things by their name. That copy of the form where it shows the evidence, that this is ‘a game’ where all tactics are being used is exactly what will be on the record. I don’t trust ”google” since it endorses Barry, google is removing some ‘damaging posts’ regarding Barack, so if you find out something interesting, copy it, or if the info is still on the ‘cache’, copy and paste that address in your notepad and save it.
The guy who writes Barry’s speeches, incite to riots but in a camouflage way, so when those listening to (have proof) his speeches won’t notice, but those ‘the underground’ knows in what phrases, words (memes) is the message hidden.
So if you want to fight, sometimes you will have to be not too delicate that you might offend by saying “Adolf”, remember is to embellish, and feel better and bravo Pagan, just say it!
I think that the title was fine, and wholeheartedly agree enough is enough with the ultra-sensitivity. Now the BO fans are ultra-sensitive? Please. Where was the outrage with “pimping out Chelsea”? I saw bozos quoting Websters on that one. Always rationalizing their blatant, willful, purposeful disparaging remarks and sentiments towards Hillary, Bill and Chelsea. Rhodes was free to spew her vile against Hillary, and so did Rev. Wright — did someone ever apologize. Look, two wrongs don’t make a right. I just don’t think that calling a spade a spade is wrong. The term is part of common vernacular. Just ask gamblers about that one.
Regarding Hitler… my sister is a History Prof, specialist of WW II, we both noticed over a year ago the similarities — only thing with that is that Axelrod’s methodology is taken more from Goebells’ playbook. So, he resembles Hitler, but implements Goebells propaganda tactics. No joke.
If you trim HRC’s mustache and throw her under a heat lamp at McDonald’s, you’ll end up with Bill.
From Wikipedia:
The phrase predates the use of the word “spade” as an ethnic slur, which was not recorded in usage until 1928.
From Wikipedia:
If Obama’s campaign can say this about Fox:
Then it’s quite okay to use the phrase “calling a spade a spade” when not used as a slur, which was not the case here.
(The Hitler reference, though, was a little over the top; one, Hitler was a mass murderer, Axelrod is not. Two, how a person “looks” serves no purpose, is inflammatory, and the important substance of the conversation is lost.
Who gets offended by “tip of the spear”? Fox is a bunch of old white dudes.
Old white dudes aren’t going to be offended by that.
Simply because a phrase has another usage that predates the current offensive one, doesn’t mean it isn’t offensive when you put up a picture of a black man and call him a spade.
Everyone knows the phrase “calling a spade a spade”. No one disputes its old.
No one (sane at least) disputes that its also an offensive term commonly used to denigrate african americans and its usage in that regard is far more harmful than its usage here.
If the author doesn’t want to change the title, that is certainly her right.
It is also a reasonable position of any reader of this blog to assume she is a racist and the blog, by posting an article with that title is condoning racism.
re:
I do. I’m offended by that, using a code word.
No, it wouldn’t be reasonable, as she has repeatedly explained her intention and what those words mean to her. So if you don’t believe her, just call her a liar. It would be good, though, to offer proof why you think she’s a liar, and then everyone can weigh your argument against hers.
But I do congratulate you for distracting the import of this diary. I see you’ve learned quite well from the republican playbook: Look over there.
Why are AA’s voting against their better interests?
Obama is seen as a traitor by some, should his race serve as a shield, taking precedence over national security?
Let’s open it up, let’s discuss it.
Nobody seemed to mind whenever Obama people called me a C*nt. Think that’s ok? Fine. So screw the whole lot of you. I care about others the way they care about me.
Except I wouldn’t condone calling you a c*nt either. Thats the whole point. Just because some schmuck somewhere else called you a nasty word doesn’t make it ok for you to then call Obama a spade.
If I push you, you don’t just get to go push some random white guy.
Does that make sense to you?
No, you dont’get it.
Ko^, and Axelrod, and Obama are knowingly using race and the label of racist inan attempt to undermine their enemy, and defend against legitimate criticism.
In doing so, they are labeling as racist people who are not, putting themselves is a position where they have to defend a lie.
As such, the dynamically create chaos in their own house, and their own thinking, internally weakening them, and that’s what we want, that’s the goal, destroy them from within, by their own gun.
Good.
It’s the AA community, and their republican counterparts who are affected, though, and that has to stop.
It isn’t football, Obama, and Mccain are not the same as the cowboys, when they make a decision to go to war, illegally, they harm all of us, and we all have to learn to call them out, stand up to their methods, see through the shenanigans, to the truth.
People with common decency usually practice the kind of respect they’d have bestowed upon them, even in the worst situation.
I appreciate that you feel hurt, but I ask that you think carefully about how you respond to this feeling. You seem to have a great deal emotionally invested in this primary, and the way you’re reacting to it may not make you proud in the long run.
That’s you, again be aware, you’re creating your own reality in this desperate weak attempt to troll and project, a wrap around, but you’re being trolled, and others are letting you see what you want, you, the victim of your own lack of intellect, your own lack of understanding, your own amateurism.
I know you don’t understand it, you aren’t capable, but you have lost for seven straight consecutive years, and your current system, from the media, to your head, has failed, and you don’t know what to do.
ah, another obamabot patronizing people.
power of persuasion? needs some lessons.
There are NO persuasive methods that can be used to persuade the folks here that Obama is an acceptable candidate, despite the fact that the distance between him and Hillary on policy is about a foot, and there’s about a mile between the both of them and McCain. You all will have to come to that conclusion on your own, or not. I can’t tell you what your values are.
Since all of the policies to which Obama can lay claim that are attractive to any of us started out as Clinton policies, that argument falls like a lead spade.
Anyone who advocates voter disenfranchisement cannot be further from policy than I am. There is nothing that he can do to undo the fraud he has perpetrated on the voters in Michigan and Florida by spurning each and every attempt to fashion a revote that would “please” him short of just handing all of their delegates to him.
In November when those folks vote, all hell will break loose. All of those “dems for a day” he advocated (God, I throw up a little in my mouth just using that phrase) will be lining up to cast their REAL votes for daddy McCain and McGovern’s measure of defeat will be overturned. Barack Obama will “out” under perform him. Great dececision!
Like I said, no arguments will sway you from your course at this particular moment. I think the DNC did the wrong thing by stripping ALL of FL and MI delegates, but both Hillary and Obama have been playing this for political advantage; Hillary by trying to change the rules when they didn’t work in her favor, and Obama by sticking to them.
If you want to go crazy about the MI and FL situations though, you should be addressing your concerns to the DNC rules committee (which included many Hillary supporters) rather than the Obama campaign.
There are no arguments that can ever be made that would cause me or my family to vote for Obama ever, but I wonder what is going on here. Only last night the Obamamessage being parroted by everyone from the Obamatrolls on here right on up to Donna Brazile was that you guys not only didn’t need our votes, you didn’t even want them. We’re last year’s Democrats. Did you get a new memo from headquarters? Is a new, kinder, gentler Obama on the horizon who will actually pretend to like women, working class people, gays, the elderly, gun owners, people of faith, and all the other demographics that have been insulted and belittled by him and his followers?
Probably not — he’s really not that good an actor; but your comment was very informative. I did not realize the DNC was a separate entity from the Obama campaign. Interesting. Do Howard and Donna know that or do they just not care?
That “foot” you speak of is really a world away.
No comparison. If you can vote for him then you are as indifferent and evil as he is.
He is an immoral person. Period
Senator Obama,while a State Senator, gave Rezko letters of recommendation so Rezko could acquire loans from the the state and purchase Thirty low income housing tenements. Eleven of those were in his district.
Obama has stated he did not know that they were with out heat and running water for 6 weeks in a Chicago winter. If you believe this he was ignorance of this it shows he is indifferent to the suffering of people he took an oath to represent. That is immoral.
Obama, based on the facts surrounding his association with Rezko, in fact is lying, that he did not know. He chose to profit off the misery of others he swore an oath to serve and protect. That is immoral.
Obama’s associations and lack of experience in todays world, being told it doesn’t matter.
His Overt efforts to aggravate the racial divide for political gain.
His relationship with Auchi, Ayers,Wright,Rezko.
His ill gotten “Mansion”
No Plan and loves to plagiarize others.
I do not want this immoral person ANYWHERE near the “football.”
“You all will have to come to that conclusion on your own, or not.”
NOT!
Non-negotiable! Firm!
Now run along!
This is too funny. An Obamabot attempting to lecture us about decency and respect.
I wish I was around to respond when they said that. Whew…. I also wish I could have witnessed how you responded.
i have been CALLED ALL THOSE NAMES AND A RACIST.. but it does not mean i would send that on to others or that i would call others those names..to get my point across..
There is an EXCELLENT article on race in this election on savagepolitics.com. A MUST read.
Maybe because my mind doesn’t go therre … but I always thought the spade reference was a bridge thing, the card game. If you ever played it, you’d get that but I could be wrong.
Well, me too, but several (online) Obama supporters have told me that they are AA and that is a racial slur, so I take them at their word.
I’m a minority also, so I am more aware of racial slurs against my group that might go unnoticed by an outsider.
It is both. “Spade” has been a negative term for black people for years.
It isn’t meant to offend black people. If it does there isn’t anything I can do about it. And I ain’t going to curb my language or allow it to be shaped by anyone else. Hell, many blacks believed that Hillary was being racist by saying that LBJ was responsible for signing the Civil Rights Act.
I know what I mean and thats good enough for me.
I am with you on this, Pagan. We can’t let the beauty of the English language undermined by some ignorant people.
Amen. THe list of words is getting far too long.
This phrase goes back to Greek text at least as early as 300BC and doesn’t have racist origins. John Knox introduced it into English when translating a Latin text by Erasmus. “I have learned to call wickedness by its own terms: A fig is a fig and a spade a spade.”
The origin of the word is irrelevant. Having an article about Obama entitled calling a spade a spade is just short of saying “I call a n—– a n—–.”
Seriously, supporting Hillary and bashing Obama is fine, but there has to be some limits for civility.
I’d expect you to be up in arms if I called Hillary Clinton a “ho” (which I haven’t) and tried to tell you that its a term for a gardening implement.
Even if you think your opposing candidate has no class, you should retain some.
Like I said, if I could be called a c*nt, I couldn’t care less about these touchy feeling things that don’t even have any meaning other than an opportunity for an Obamazoind to yell RACIST!…again. I find sexism offensive too, but they don’t seem to care. So screw it. All bets are off when you can call me the most base words I have ever heard in my life.
Iron my shirt for all I Care.
Just as I predicted:
Frivlous and deceitful playing of the race card would lead to exactly this.
AAs should expect this and much more.
I’m sure they’d prefer if you just stopped calling them spades and it wouldn’t be an issue.
Jason, you’re free to leave. That’s the beauty of the internet. We don’t go to Daily Kos or Huffington Post because we find them offensive in the extreme.
Truth be told, you’re always going to be offended by something. The freedom of speech thing has some bugs in it, but we’re still working the bugs out. Give us a couple more hundred years and people who aren’t quite so inclined to whine about issues that aren’t issues.
Of course I’m free to leave. But I am also free to expose the hypocrisy thats going on here and to try to be reasonable. Thats the actual beauty of the internet.
Freedom of speech isn’t the issue. I know this is hard for your small mind but freedom of speech involves the government censoring speech. Not the case here.
I am asking you, one free citizen to another, to not casually throw around racial slurs and to think about how you would react if someone was maligning Clinton with misogynistic slurs. I think you would be quite up in arms about it.
You’re too late with worrying about slamming Hillary. First off, come the end of the day, she’s heard it all. She’s not the issue. She doesn’t make herself the issue. She spoke up for Chelsea and she understands that to tolerate sexist hate speech puts all women in danger.
If you want to parse innocent phrases that have been in use since 300 BC (roughly 2200 years BO or before Obama), you enjoy that ride. I for one am simply not going to live in fear of uttering harmless sentences that someone — anyone — can decide are racist in tone. I don’t hang out on hip hop sites and I am not going to bother myself with the nonsense that apparently is essential to be so totally P fucking C that any color is going to be left IN America. You have your fun with driving the remaining white voters further and further and further from your candidate. That’s a terrific plan …. Drive them further and further and right into John McCain’s waiting camp. Great idea.
You are not smart enough to expose “hypocritical arguments” esp ones that don’t exist ( your say so isnt enough, because you don’t have the intelligence to understand what you’re arguing), so again you’ve descended into defending a lie, and you don’t’ understand the physics and compunctions behind that premise, because, again, you’re not smart enough.
And that’s not a lie, so it can shown.
All I see is a wannabe struggling for some validation, who looks like a fool, way way out of his league.
You might try Cheney though he likes them dumb.
Makes him feel smart.
And you just telling people they aren’t smart enough to understand something without having anything to back that up doesn’t make it true either.
Which lie am i defending? The one where calling a black man a spade is not racist?
The hypocrisy here is simple to expose. You all go on and on about how Hillary is the victim of misogyny and then do the exact same shit to Michelle Obama.
You are the one who isn’t smart enough to see it.
Actually Jason, there’s a little more involved than just government-censored speech. Perhaps since your candidate is a Constitutional Law professor, er, lecturer, he might enlighten you. Or maybe not.
If you are so offended by language that might be interpreted as racist or sexist, it might be appropriate for you to favor the pro-Obama sites with your wisdom. It is my understanding that they don’t pussy-foot (oops, hope that didn’t offend you) around with words that MIGHT be taken the wrong way — they use the ones that leave no doubt, well, only about women or the elderly, of course. Counseling your Obamabot associates in this way is called casting the mote out of your own eye or sweeping around your own back door, or many might recognize it as the clean hands doctrine; but since you are, at the end of the day, still an Obamabot, no matter how “concerned” you try to act, you are probably unfamiliar with those concepts.
You don’t really know how the first amendment works, do you?
“But I am also free to expose the hypocrisy thats going on here and to try to be reasonable. Thats the actual beauty of the internet.”
Who taught you that?
The Hypocrisy Guru?
The real beauty of the Internet is I can make you disa-fucking-ppear with one click!
Ciao!
Hmm. Still here. Weird.
what????? since when in the 21st century is a spade considered a racial slur….i would guess jason that you are….mmmmm i don’t what to offend…not black….you know what;s offensive….a democrat that has no problem not counting the votes that were cast by over a million people in the state of Michigan and Florida. and before you say it…Florida and Michigan broke the rules….BLa BLA Bla….at one time this country alowed slavery….until the some brave people rose up and said slavery is bad….at one time women did not have the right to vote…until some brave people rose up and said women not voting is bad……you want outrage then go demand your candidate seat the delegate of Michigan and Florida or have a revotes….Jason are brave?
Please explain, then, why Obama’s campaign used the word “spear” and that’s okay. (The context was in reference to Obama finally accepting Fox’s invitation.)
And I’m a Garlic Nose.
…shrug.
Wow! I am totally impressed!
To call a spade a spade is a regular English idiom. This kind of self-censorship just because we have a black candidate is bad for elevated discourse.
No, it isn’t. Its very easy to have elevated discourse without using racial slurs.
To call a spade a spade is an English idiom, but there are many other clever titles you can use for an article like this that aren’t also racial slurs.
Its classless.
I did not grow up here (meaning the US). So I don’t know how or why it is a racial slur (I don’t care to know because I want to move past this divide). I stand by my assertion that we can’t restrict use of language over some unknown potential. It is a perfectly good idiom. Unless we walk away from crying race every time ascribing false motive to the writer/speaker, we can’t have a meaningful dialogue. Post-racial is what you do and what you think without giving it a second thought walking on egg shells.
I myself am Indian American and I never think of myself as black or white — I have a healthy respect for all good things I bring into this American culture from my own and have an eagerness to learn the good from this new culture. This race related stuff and how it has been used by Obama and his supporters in this election is mind boggling to me. If that is their political expedience, how can they help others to move past racial tensions, especially when they cry race about things perfectly ordinary.
Dude, I’m not even going to start trying to pull out derogatory slurs for Indians but pick one of the nastier ones and throw that in the title of an article about you.
Get it now?
You can restrict your words if those words are offensive without changing the level of discourse.
Why be insulting if that doesn’t help get your point across? Unless your intent was to be insulting.
Its simply asking people to think about what they say before they say it and knowing the impact of those words.
I actually don’t know any derogatory Indian slur that is also an English idiom. If I came across one, I would give the writer the benefit of the doubt before ascribing false motive and crying fowl.
The real problem is people’s knee jerk reaction to words. You get hung up on words, and can’t get to the meaning.
You haven’t even discussed the content and intent of this posting, because you’re worried about someone else potentially being offended by its title?
Pagan is making a point. Maybe you’ve missed it. Barack and his surrogates and especially his more naive supporters have used more than implicit comments (hoodwinked), or gestures (The Scratch™, The Brush™, The Twist™) but actual words (TWP crossin’ the street).
Maybe if you stopped and understood why you can’t get past The Spade™, you’d better understand our ANGER at having certain words used in our direction.
This isn’t afternoon tea, it’s politics. If you want to solve the problem, got to the obamablogs and get them and their dear leaders to stop using race as a wedge.
You are correct, I haven’t gotten to the substance - I started off simply trying to address the racist title.
The substance is easy - in one instance you have Rush Limbaugh trying to get people to come out and vote for Hillary because he thinks she will be easier to beat.
In the other instance you have a candidate reaching out to the other party and to independents to try to bring them into the group by showing them that if they support him, he will help them as well as the people already in the group (Dems).
Then it concludes that black people are racist because they vote for the black candidate. Yawn. When have minorities ever failed to support their candidate?
Lets turn this around for a second though - many people on here keep saying women should support Hillary because she’s a woman. Why is that different?
And the 40% of women who voted for Obama in Indiana yesterday? Voting against their interests. Uh huh. Same shit.
See you have to say racist title.
I’m saying. Read the whole thing first.
Don’t judge a book by its cover.
ok, racist title.
The rest of it is not racist.
I’m not a women and I voted for Clinton, because I think she’s the better candidate.
But it was Obama’s clearly anti-white campaign that made me look into his credentials.
So right now, he’s not the best candidate, in my opinion. If he’d run a cleaner campaign and not pulled the race card (see SC memo, for starters), he’d still be on my list for later elections.
But now, I will never vote for him, because of his sexist and racist tendencies. Primary to this is using any and all excuses to pull out the race card. But for Obama it’s not just some title, but his whole character.
And yes, blacks who are not only voting for Obama, but recycling repug trash against Clinton are being racist. I think Rev Wright is not alone in what he has said. I lived in Detroit for a long time and got sick of people covering for each other, just because of color. It’s the same with these people who are voting for Barack. You yawn at Blacks blindly voting for “their own” (despite him being half white), but get upset over a term than can used in a bad way?
I think it’s telling that some white women did vote for Obama. I think it reveals where the racial angst exists and doesn’t exist today. When blacks vote 90% for a half-black man, and whites voting for the white woman are around 60%, that says something.
And please, the Rush argument? Please. Address Baracks own DFAD campaign.
You asked:
In 2000, the Jewish people split their vote between Bush and Gore. 90% of Jewish people did not vote for Lieberman.
Dude,
Where’s my
dellHell?Look Jason. No offense intended, at least not that kind of offense. I realized last night that I had to write this. Someone had to tell it like it is. And that is what the phrase of the title means. I have used the phrase for most of my life to mean just that. As Freud might say: Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.
I do not know the origin of the slur use of the term spade and blacks. I have heard people use it maybe 20 or 30 years ago. I am guessing it was in reference to slaves being just another piece of equipment which I find personally offensive. I also find the N word to be very offensive even though I hear black people use it frequently.
Are there several meanings to this diary? perhaps. But none of them are meant to slur someone because of their race.
I don’t know the origin of the term - I suspect it might simply be because spades are black.
So you knew it was offensive, you think it might be because of something you find personally offensive but figured you’d use it anyway? Ok. Good judgment call.
You could have protected yourself from racist attacks simply by calling the article “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar” or some other idiom.
It goes back to 300 BC where a “fig was called a fig and a spade a spade.” Maybe Homer was a racist, is that your point?
No, the origin of using the term Spade as a derogatory term for blacks.
Are you honestly telling me you didn’t know that until today?
Seriously. She already admitted in her comment that she knew it was racist, why do you bother trying to say otherwise?
The FULL context of referring to blacks as “spades” comes from “AS BLACK AS THE ACE OF SPADES”. That’s it. THE EFFIN’ CARD SUIT. Not the GARDENING TOOLS (which have been around much longer than the playing card suit–which was so named because of ITS resemblance to the tool).
Spades, as in the gardening tools, are NOT “black” (if anything, they’re “gray” since most are made of iron or steel), which is why the Greek proverb was translated as such.
Now, take your happy little self over to an AA site and inquire as to why it’s appropriate for AA’s to EVER use the “n-word” when it’s apparently never acceptable for whites to use it.
Frankly with some of the names I have seen women called in this election season, I don’t give a shit. All bets are off as far as I’m concerned. I respect who respects me.
You Have Mine UPPITY..
You are Ma Kettle and Wonder Woman..and You are always good for a Laugh..Will You Adopt me..??
You couldn’t have elevated discourse in a three inch pair of heels.
Every time you open your mouth, with every word you write you tell me you have no idea HOW you are being gamed.
You are breathtakingly stupid, you cretin.
You really add nothing other than telling other people they are stupid.
Why don’t you try saying something substantive for a change?
Or would that make your little tiny brain explode?
The idiom “call a spade a spade” is far older than the use of the word as a racial epithet. According to Wikipedia, it was first used in English in 1542 in a translation of Erasmus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_call_a_spade_a_spade
Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade.
It was not a reference to playing cards, but rather to a common garden implement.
The words “spade” as a card suit and as a digging tool are unrelated. The former comes from the Italian espada, meaning sword. (You can still see the sword as one of the suits on a tarot deck. The black cloverlike symbol is not a stylized shovel, but a stylized sword.) The digging tool comes from the Old English spadu. Even though the two “spades” are both implements with sharp blades, the words are etymologically distinct.
The ethnic slur is recorded for the first time in print in 1928. It is probably derived from the phrase “black as the ace of spades” or something similar. If so, it derives from an etymologically unrelated source from the familiar phrase “to call a spade a spade.”
comes from the Italian espada, meaning sword
That should be “comes from the Italian spada. I gave you the Spanish form of the word.
You mean “Garlic Nose” espada right? As in They Should Talk.
I am watching some Obamazoid horse’s ass on Teee Veee saying that the people who say they will never vote for Obama don’t mean it anymore because Barry made a unity speech last night.
Oh, this is gonna be fun!
I left a request at your blog for you to post the pics of the teeny-tiny Obama rally over here. Please.
It’s in queue.
too too funny! we hate obama but now that he made a pretty speech we’ll like him….
those obamanuts must have some pretty powerful koolaid. if i were a 60s flower child i might try some of it to check out the trip. but i have fortunately grown up.
Yeah, I feel like a unit. And I don’t much like it.
Barry says pick up his socks.
I cannot wait to see the expressions on their faces when he LOSES HUGE in the GE (should he be allowed to steal the election). I’m stocking up on popcorn and beer. I will enjoy watching the IMPLOSION. Every freakin’ minute of it.
I am with you. It is going to be one hell of a show!
It’s one of the reasons I am GLAD McGovern endorsed him.
The behavior of Obama supporters yesterday convinced this Democrat to never support him for any office.
Great job as always Pagan. There is so much bull in this Obama camp, we could keep writing about it even AFTER Obama does the McGovern.
What a wonderful thought!
May be a book deal for you, Uppity after Obama does the McGovern (I like the sound of that! No, I don’t, let us nip it in the bud.)
LOL PMS!
You will probably have the opportunity to do so during the Obama presidency. Cheers!
And feigning ignorance on a diary entitled “I Call a Spade a Spade” that’s 80% about the race issue is too cute by half. At least belly up to the bar and admit what you meant.
I stated in several places what I meant. That it had another meaning to less intelligent people I cannot control.
I don’t want to say this in front of everyone, but your hubris might be showing a little.
And if you weren’t AWARE of the negative connotation of spade, you’re excused, but it somewhat undermines your trumpeting of your own intelligence.
Well if anybody can recognize hubris,it’s an Obama supporter.
Nobody forces you to come here. In fact, if you are offended, I am glad. You never cared when I was offended.
Obama will never be President.
Your assumption of what I cared about “when you were offended” is a little strange at the least. Do you mean me personally, or do you mean “Obama supporters in general”? What has offended you that I personally didn’t care about?
Still waiting…
Yes but are you hanging by your thumbs while you are doing it?
I’ll mark that down as “declined to answer”.
That boys need to stay home and let the adults do the drinking?
Oops! Saying “boy” now the PC police claim is racist. :rolleyes:
Put a sock in it, Francis.
It was over taken and crashed by the Far-Left that keeps sabotaging it’s presidential candidates; much like the GOP was run over by the Neo-Cons, and trashed it.
When extremists take the reins of power, all the worst happens.
The GOP didn’t learn from Goldwater, and apparently the Democrat party from McGovern (history keeps repeating itself).
“It was over taken and crashed by the Far-Left that keeps sabotaging it’s presidential candidates; “
Oh, but I thought Obama was a closet Republican. I can’t keep up with you guys–which is it?
Obama is really neither Dem nor Repub. He’s all about the green — not the party, just the money the oil company and nuke execs are bundling for him.
Neo-con Bush and neo-liberal Obama, just two crooks in bed with the corporations and on opposite sides of the same corrupt coin. Obama is Bush III.
He wouldn’t qualify as a Republican as he’s even Left of Mao. But he qualifies being a Neo-Con, though.
Neo-Cons are basically Commies, and Barry loves that brand of socialism, complete with aiding and loving terroristic anarchists and their fellow travellers.
But he’s no conservative, even by a long-stretch.
You can’t keep up with anything, never could, why start now, tool?
I keep telling you he’s a marxist.
Is that what they call thoughtless money grubbers?
“marxist?”
it’s scary isn’t it! I agree.
It’s time for a new blue-dog Democrat type of coalition that embraces our society’s most vulnerable (the elderly) and strives to level playing vield, but explicitly rejects victimhood.
Also one that values loyalty and a proven track record. And one that demands you stand up and walk out on the Ayers of the world.
“It’s time for a new blue-dog Democrat type of coalition that embraces our society’s most vulnerable (the elderly) and strives to level playing vield, but explicitly rejects victimhood.”
I guess No Quarter won’t be playing much of a role in that coalition.
No place for queen Michelle either … I guess that goes without saying … ???
What ARE they going to do with Michelle during the campaign? They can’t actually let her stump for him because every time she opens her mouth she alienates another group of people.
i’m hoping they continue to delude themselves and send her out everywhere. every appearance will equal thousands of lost votes.
More analysis from the genius , arent we lucky.
ROTFLMAO.
heh.
Why do the AA’s vote against their better interests?
Shouldn’t we find out?
And along the way, we can save the republicans, too.
Maybe write a hit song, get Britney to sing it…
Totally agree!
This black woman could not have said it better. One of the highpoints of this election for me was when Hil said she wanted “affirmative action for everyone.” That is the only wat to go.
Good to know jocelyn. We need a new vocabulary to talk about this, you know?
I’m thinking of an essay like: Anti-Elitism is Salary-Neutral. It’s a muscular, moral set of values.
Unless the Democrats change their outlook for the last 20 years, unfortunately that won’t happen.
Victimhood is the M.O. of the party, and exploiting it at every turn (like excusing Black racism as some “liberalization”, yet condemning White racism as evil — not condemning racism regardless of ethnic group/color/pet favorites) is how it became the party of suffering.
Americans aren’t about victimhood. We strive to overcome obstacles, not wallow in them as crutches.
They are called Moderates. And they happen to make up the majority of the party. They just aren’t the LOUDEST. But they alllllll vote.
So far this “silent majority” has given Obama too much leverage. Anyone with common sense who is a moderate will see Obama’s associations and disassociate from him, as he’s too extreme. To date, they have even embraced him.
That spells trouble in the GE, since TRUE moderates will be voting then (as it’s no longer a running soap opera on TV, but the REAL vote for president). Between Obama and McInsane, they’ll go with McInsane, as he has a record spanning 20 years and a more safe bet (for their portfolios; let alone their way of life).
I agree 100 percent with Pagan. we all watched it travel into the gutter..Any-one from Chi-Town will recognize the pattern. It’s been used here since Harold Washington was Mayor. We, those of us from chicago, knew this was coming as I suspect many of you did too.
Frankly, at this point in time I care more about what the rats living under the shithouse in back of Aunt Nelly’s farmhouse think then whether some obamazoids take offense at anything said by just about anyone else. Since when do the complaints of a bunch of racist political thugs count for squat? They can take their concern over obscure offensive only to hyper sensitive obamazoids and stuff it where the sun don’t shine. Did they concider “Garlic Noses” an offensive remark? How bout their cult leader hanging out with wack job selfhating homophobes? Larry, this is one of the BEST and most honest postings I’ve read on this subject. If any of the corporate media had any balls OR ethics they would pick it up. This huckster, this hoodwinker, this bamboozler has lied during this campaign and conducted a racially divisive, and calculatedly so, from the start. So to the obamazoids who’s widdle feewings are hurt, FUCK OFF!
What sill amazes me is the AA’s in Barkys district still voted for him while the have no heat and live in Rezkos slum.
Have you ever once heard Barky give a speech that specifically addresses the needs of the AA community? He doesn’t care about them and they flock to him.
He’s black. That’s all that matters.
“He’s black. That’s all that matters.”
Except they voted for Bill Clinton, and Al Gore, and John Kerry overwhelmingly. Hmmm…
And yet, they never turned off the utilities. Hard to imagine, isn’t it?
Hahahaha!
LMAO!
yeah, me too Scott.
Obama is the problem, and AA voters, as well as republicans need to see his corruption, and how it hurts them, how it hurts America.
I wonder who Axelrod is connected to on the republican side, via Rove say…
Ding!
Please, call a spade a spade huh? What a joke There is a big difference between people who a typically Republicans who are mad at their party switching sides and between Republicans who are voting in the Democratic primaries but will vote for McCain EVEN IF THE PERSON THEY VOTE FOR WINS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION. That’s two completely different things, and you know it.
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/mccain-supporte.html
There were plenty of republicans who did it for Obama too. It’s just plain not right that ANY republicans OR independents should vote in a Democratic primary, ANYWHERE, not just where YOU don’t like it. For another thing, this pussy delegate method that we use, the let’s give sally some points and johnny too is bullcrap. If we had an intelligent system like the Republicans do, this race would have been over. And guess who would have won?
Yeah, but in MUCH smaller numbers. 1 in 22 in Indiana, and 1 in 31 in NC. As for the rules, no one started complaining about them until Hillary started losing. Personally I like them - the number of spoilers is usually so small they don’t matter and it allows people to set up races between two candidates they like or hedge their bets if a candidate they don’t like ends up winning their parties nomination. But if you don’t like the rules, fine, work to change them for next time. But don’t blame them for Hillary losing like they were set up specifically to hurt Hillary.
Please source your information. On what do you base this?
The website I gave in the first post - http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/mccain-supporte.html
But I thought you said they VOTED for Hillary.
They don’t belong in Democratic primaries. Neither do Independents. If they want to pick party leaders, they should join the party. I will be cancelling one of them out anyhow.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here, that’s exactly what I did say - Republicans voted for Hillary, and I’m ok with that. For most of those people I assume their preference goes
1)McCain
2)Clinton
3)(distant) Obama
and I have no problem with them voting to see a race between their two favorite candidates. I certainly don’t think many of them were Rush’s spoilers - he gets far to much attention for how little influence he has. Don’t misunderstand me - I’m not an Obama fan. My point was that there is a difference between people changing parties because they really prefer Obama, and those changing parties and voting for Clinton even though in the general election they’ll go with McCain, a point that is ignored in this blog post.
As far as your opinion on the rules for voting in the Democratic primary, which is a totally different subject, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. There are valid points on both sides, although I really think at least Independents should be able to and not have to choose between two candidates in the general election chosen by people to the far left or right, which is what happens when they don’t get to vote.
I differ. Because without new voters, the Democrat party would’ve long vanquished into history.
Need new voters, and the only way to get them is during these test runs. Make them chose, you’ll have less participation.
Glad I live in GA, no forms to fill other than the voter registration and pick your candidates. Can vote for whoever in the primary, and even change my mind during the GE. True freedom, not more obstacles to grab power.
No more Tammany Hall stuff.
WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!
I am native American and I too have heard many insults disquised as inocent. But PLEASE!!!! I use that phrase and I dont think its racial.I just called an AA friend of mine and asked if he thought it was Racial..He laughed at me. He said that was the last thing he thought it was..He knew what I meant. Dont be bullied into parsing your words..thats what is wrong in this race discussion…Now I understand the outrage if it was used as an insult. But people please! Look whats happening to us. we are afraid to speak out
And that’s exactly what Obama and his followers want. He cannot win on experience, ability or issues; so he has resorted to whining and playing the race card at every opportunity hoping to shut us up.
It would be a more effective ploy were it not for the fact that simultaneously he and his followers are bashing women, the elderly, working people, people of faith, and anyone else not supporting His Wonderfulness.
Look it up in the Urban Dictionary. It is - or was?- a very derogatory term. This could be a generational thing, but I immediately cringed when I read it. (I am in my late 50’s.) I have a feeling younger people are not aware of the conotations the word had.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spade
52 here and I cringed as well
could be location as well (I grew up in the South)
I agree that the term spade WAS used as a derogatory term. I heard it when I was much younger. But a spade is also a type of shovel and a suit in cards and a card game among many other things. I will not curtail my language because someone else mistakes my meaning as an insult. That is the whole purpose of the title if you think about it.
It was also a means of calling out the racist trolls, one way or another, those who use racism to “divide and conquer” the Axelrods, and the Roves and the Kristols.
They simply don’t get it, they’re going to spin racist again, in the way that destroys them internally.
But they don’t get it, it’s like a troll kill switch, internal, use their own behavior against them, they’re own lack of intellect, no bombs needed, now even a google bomb, just a moron lead.
You’re being very niggardly about this.
They don’t care what you think. You are just the person whose ancestors had the whole country stolen from them. They can call you or me anything they want. You just can’t call them anything, even if it’s not meant that way. Frankly I didn’t enjoy being called a Garlic nose by that whackjob psychopath Wright either. But so what, it’s me, not him. I won’t even get into the gender offensives that have sent gender relations back to the 60s in this country. Right where this campaign wants to be. recreate68.
HUMOR + THE HARD TRUTH via Rush Limbaugh, quoted at Halperin’s blog:
After months of promoting “Operation Chaos,” in which the conservative talk show host pushed listeners to vote for Clinton to aid McCain, he pulls back on Wednesday and tells them to go for Obama.
Adds: “He will lose. He will lose big and you supers know it….but go ahead. Go ahead and get in the tank for him.”
Though in “special” monologue he pushes Clinton not to drop out. “You’ve come too far to quit…this one, Mrs. Clinton, you do deserve.”
Listen to clip of broadcast here. Permalink
I live in Maryland. During our primaries, the talk was about the republicans in VA told to vote for the weaker candidate meaning Obama. I bet he got a lot of republican crossover vote in VA.
I would just as soon not torture myself listening to Limbaugh. It’s hard enough to read about him.
Thanks for quoting me, Pagan.
When I wrote that, I was speaking from the CORE of my being.
If all this is about is race, we are all lost.
It’s not about race as much as it’s about validation, and vengeance, and a void of leadership.
Race is just the catalyst.
It’s not different from approving of OJ’s verdict, even though he brutally murdered two people.
How is that good for anyone?
It’s not.
And blackness, or gender, or gayness is not a shield, is not kryptonite, protecting us from some hard truths about our motivations, or providing a shield that we feel others will never breach.
I mean, “jeff” referred to me as racist garbage, and I referred to Jeff as a “faggot,” thereby making me racist and a gay basher, I suppose.
Am I, really?
No.
But why should I tolerate having my thoughts censored by a half wit, yielding race as a weapon to hide the crimes of his candidate?
Come to my hometown and see how this race warfare is played. Went from being the county of the Cracker Party (literally, since it was the home of the Cracker party in GA, and the political power base that rivalled Atlanta); to this Utopia Rev. Wright preaches about. The result: more racial division.
All that Obama preaches is exactly what is seen here, and the results (America are you reading this????) is a colossal failure; increased poverty; taxes; and political incompetence.
As ugly as the Crackers were, they at least increased the population and jobs (most industry we take for granted here was created under their tenure). Results today? About a -3% loss of population; loss of the manufacturing sector (and the idiots let the BMW plant goto SC); higher poverty rate (with even less social services); property taxes increased 2x (and tax assessors trying to “reevaluate” properties for even more money this year).
We’ve seen this Utopia and living in it’s failure. No way will I vote for the same to destroy this country, like they’re trying to my hometown!
I doggysat for my daughter today and on the way home counted 3 different HUGE trucks with their confederate flags waving high above them.
I have NEVER seen that this far NORTH of the SC/NC border. (I see small stickers occasionally but NEVER big ass flags)
It’s disgusting. Those big flags are littered along the route to Atlanta from here (once you hit SC) but I’ve never seen it up this way. It’s spreading!
Axelrove you should be so proud.
Well, it’s what they wanted, let the feed it, and let them drown.
They can’t handle it.
I mean, really, how do you bring down a bunch of Axelrod/Cheney/Rove cretins from within?
All this, and how is that budget and war going, d0ods?
Not too well, huh?
I’m t-h-i-s close in running up the Stars and Bars up our flag pole, in protest myself. Used to be sympathetic, but when Black panhandlers targeted my mom yesterday (thinking she’s some dumb immigrant), that IS the final straw. That’s twice in 3 days, and that’s enough of that shit.
Racism is alive and well because of the Obama types in the world, preaching of victimhood. No way an able bodied young male has some right to aggressively panhandle a nearly 80 year-old grandma, claiming he was hungry (he sure wasn’t skin and bones, like the real hunger mom saw during WWII when folks literally starved to death!!). My mom worked hard since 16 [she left home to work on her own at that age, even -- zero safety net], now she’s retired and debt free because she worked and didn’t take the pity parties in the very time of Jim Crow and facing discrimination from BOTH whites and blacks.
No sob stories as excuses. >:(
Your comment moved me Susan. Thank you for inspiring me.
Hell Pagan you should be desensitized to that BS by now. The Uniter. Yup.
Remember that one where the delegate got trounced
for referring to a bunch of kids playing in a tree as “monkeys?” At first it was reported that she was a superdelegate (at least in the places I saw). And I thought “no way in hell is the Obama camp hassling a superdelegate.” Turns out, of course (as we all know now) she was just a delegate. I guarantee you if she had been a super, “monkeys” would have been a term of endearment, no sweat.
You’re not racist if you’re for Obama.
With Bush anyone who disagreed was “unpatriotic.”
With Obama anyone who disagrees is “racist.”
(of course I didn’t think “monkeys” was racist in the first place. It has been a term of endearment towards kids playing in trees and climbing on stuff for as long as I’ve been around.)
I remember that incident. They lost another voter. The more they act like fools, the more I like it.
I was one of the few women in my college program back in the late 60’s. I know most of my professors and fellow students saw me first as a female. At times the discrimination was real and blatant. (I distinctly remember some guys who were very condescending to me in one course until they realized that I was doing better than they were. After that they came to me for help.) In addition I was from a small town in a rural midwest area, so I was also somewhat on the outside since most of the students were from the Northeast. I am sure other students who were different from the majority also experienced this. Many of us just rolled with it or found ways to push back when appropriate.
Michelle seems to believe that only black people experience this kind of thing, when I have a feeling many people have at least in some situations. This is a far cry from what African Americans had to suffer through in the past and she needs to put things in perspective.
You learn who you can speak to, and who to avoid, who gets the science and abstracts, and who gets the talk about the Laker’s game.
Once I found my professional niche, it was easier, but then personality differences settled in, guys like Jeff, obtuse and oblivious, but then we all know the Dick Morris delusional types…
Michelle is an existentialist type. She sees the world from the inside outward. That’s why she is always so miserable.
Way it’s going, I’m seeing her more as an Objectivist panhandling to the lowest common denominator.
Hmmm? So Republicans are voting for Hillary, because Rush Limbaugh told them to? My husband is planning to vote for Hillary if she’s the nominee, and he doesn’t listen to Rush Limbaugh. He’s also not doing it because of my support for her. No one tells that man what to do. Believe me! And I’m sure this is the case with most of the Republicans who voted for Hillary. What Axelrod can’t stand is the fact that it proves Hillary is really the one who can unite Americans.
I’d say a lot of Republicans are unhappy with McCain for numerous reasons if the RW blogs are any indication. Because of this I can see why some are crossing over for Hillary.
It’s because he’s not a right wingnut evangelical. Those were their party hijackers. The other side of our radical left. If they don’t like McCain, it’s GOOD news.
Nope. Because he betrays the principles of conservatism to court the MSM.
McInsane is Obama. An empty suit that promotes things to the highest bidder. McInsane isn’t trusted to lead conservatives.
As a Traditional I couldn’t vote for him, as he wants to Empire build. The USA was never founded on being an Empire, as the Founders understood history and how they tended to fall (due to politicians just like McInsane, who’ll sell out our country, trading patriotism for cash and trinkets).
God had some reason for McInsane to live, after the USS Forrestal fire and being a POW. Perhaps to warn the USA of the perils of war and leaders who promote it above national welfare.
How could he do that with the poster?
most important read over at black Agenda this am Larry Susan and Co.
I had read about this at SavagePolitics but here it is again in great depth, for working people –
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=613&Itemid=1
whoa is ANY of this true????
the MEDIA is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo fk’d
when this finally surfaces
that THEY kept it hidden
rut roh!
wow I need popcorn
Uppity has written about this. And I expect that more will be revealed soon.
Now we all understand why Reverend Jeremiah Wright sat on the Obama campaign’s African-American Religious Outreach Board. We also understand Michelle Obama’s ceaseless race baiting. The recipient of the verbal abuse and physical intimidation engendered by the comments of Wright and Michelle Obama, I will not vote for him in a general election. And I am someone who was raised in an integrated environment.
But I am sure all those wealthy white people who have never lived in an integrated neighborhood or attended a school with a significant African-American population feel the understand the history, discourse and experience of race. I am sure all those wealthy whites who never sat through a critical race theory seminar feel entitled to tell me that i am racist. And I am sure they will continue to grab their wallets and purses if a black man crosses paths with them on the street. And I doubt they will drive through an African-American neighborhood anytime soon. But I guess a vote enables them to feel aware of an experience about which white obama supporters know nothing.
Who knows how many Republicans really did that?
But they DID & the fact that Rush L told them to do this, is repulsive.
The race is over & there is only 9 months left to go after the criminals in the Bush administration.
Let’s hope Hillary leads the charge.
It makes them feel good,Victim. They have no clue because they are ignorant to that. Those of us that have grown up around it know.
David Axelrod is Adolf Hitler. And Obama supporters are the Hitler Youth. All stupid blond boys who view Obama’s putative blackness as a phantasmatic promise of pure masculinity.
“And Obama supporters are the Hitler Youth. All stupid blond boys who view Obama’s putative blackness as a phantasmatic promise of pure masculinity.”
Now that is one I haven’t heard yet. Credit for originality!
You obviously missed the point of Steinem’s article. And this also pertains to most white supporters of Obama, as they view his manufactured blackness as the site of pure authenticity. How paradoxical that whites who support the black candidate do so for reasons that are demonstrably racist.
the truth hurts, obamabots. and deal with it, for these thoughts are not original.
How would you know, you delusional cretin?
Shouldn’t you be trolling American civilians, or whining about your rough treatment in email, to the admin, because you can’t fight the battle, mano y mano?
Hey! Now I know why Larry isnt on the MSM talking head shows anymore..
and yeah, Axelrod does look like….You Know who!
:-0
Thanks Pagan- e-mail me off line- i want to give you posting powers at my blog- you are so much more eloquent than me.
I posted a link to the article at your page.
Love your work!
Victim of violence- yup- my feelings exactly- except I think Axelrod is more like Goebbels. SCARY SCARY PEOPLE!
Racial slurs and the destruction of language.
It ought to be a thesis (please, just don’t let Michelle try and write it). I have censored myself several times while writing. Now I just think, if I would use this expression for a white man, then I use it. If I want to refer to Obama as Axelrod’s boy. Then I will. I would do it if he were white.
For a while there I got so silly that I thought it would be bad to refer to Obama as a “black hole” which is exactly what he is– no identity, no describers, no substance. He pulls in others towards him and they move towards nothing. He is a destructive force, the opposite of a glowing star.
I remember once at a women’s music festival, I was working in the healing center, doing massage and such. I was then about twenty. A fifty something woman was there for bodywork. She had problems with her back and her hands. She laid down on the table and I asked her to visualize white light. Very common healing technique (at the time, at least– I haven’t done that kind of work in years.) This is what she said to me, “we don’t use the term white light anymore.” (wherever she was from). She gave me a look that could only be interpreted as that such descriptor of healing light had racial overtones. I caught her meaning immediately. (whatever). So I said, “Okay, visualize a healing light.” I will never forget that moment, because she looked so very irked that I would not engage her in some long drawn out arguement about the appropriate terms for visualizations. She so obviously was more into that tripe than she was into getting relief from her physical/emotional/spiritual pain. And I was so much more into doing what I was there to do. I was there to give any help I could to relieve anyone’s pain. So I worked on her and then she was gone- draggin her miserable expression with her- and I moved onto the next person. The next person I found a place in her back that was
a problem. She said no one had been able to find that place. No doctors, or anybody. She was so psyched that i had found it. So I worked on it for a little while and then she was off taking her happy self with her.
Two ways of dealing with pain/illness:
The Michelle obama way and the Hillary Clinton way.
Bitch about stupid rhetoric and let the world go to shit, or be positive, work, and get things done.
He’s accusing his enemies of doing what he’s doing ti’s a preemptive move, and it’s a common tactic.
Unfortunately he’s also trolling the AA community, because Obama doesn’t give a shit about them, if he did, he wouldn’t use this method of troll.
So, you know, first thing you do is let Axelrod know the battle isn’t about public opinion, (if people want to think “m a racist, so be it, I’m not here for the love) the battle is to eliminate his methods.
But I’m not running for public office, Clinton is, so I have nothing to lose really, people know who I am, most, anyway, and the truth about my intentions.
And I can only win with the truth.
And this differentiates me from Rush Limbaugh say.
And then the ones labelling are the ones having to defend a lie.
Get it?
And no, they don’t, it’s a simple abstract.
And just meditate on the paradox of how Obama’s putative blackness was manufactured and marketed by a white man named David Axelrod. Now who exactly is bamboozled, and who is the bamboozler?
Obama is Axelrod’s little minstrel toy, and African-Americans fell for it. When will someone remove Obama’s blackface mask and reveal who he really is: a privileged white man whose wealthy and educated African father had no relation to the African-American experience.
When Ko% and the like deliberately label others racists, they are forced to defend a lie.
Long term it fails, against someone who knows what they’re doing, they open themselves further to chaos, look at Rove.
They simply do not understand.
I DO wish you would consider blogging.
Troll children: It turns out you and your evil master are actually agents of change after all:
You have forced a small dedicated group of volunteers to action, to stop you. When your defeat is completed, we will make the change you have been only dreaming about and your master only promises but won’t/can’t deliver, by manifesting change into reality by having great ideas, an actual plan and the political moxie and stones to bring it all together.
I thank you for the inspiration.
My bite is fierce and pierces into your soul but in a nice way.
If you need a hobby, perhaps stick to masturbating to Internet porn and video games?
As long as it isn’t “roger stones.”
How very true
Michelle ‘victimhood’ Obama and that hubby she is so proud of make me ill. THEY are racists and THEY are causing more race problems in this country than anyone else at the moment - IMHO.
WAKE UP AMERICA! Why the hell is anyone voting for Obama? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY?????? There is NO GOOD REASON! UGH! (I’m frustrated!)
Oh … and Obama isn’t black. He’s green.
How true!
Barack “Kermit Greenbacks” Obama?
Or
The Obominable Snow-job-man — that’s my favorite.
Imagine the tragedy of African-Americans casting votes for a man who is not even African-American who left African-Americans in slums without heat or sanitation services during a Chicago winter. I guess David Axelrod can change shit into gold.
“It ain’t over till it’s over.”
I think Yogi Bear said that.
Hill’s a scrapper and tough as nails, ans she realizes our very freedoms and liberties are at stake. We will deny the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler and his Fourth Reich.
Send her cash, and work your ass off for her!
And trolls, get used to the Hitler references, there will be more and they will grow in volume as we spread the word and millions of people see the truth about Obama’s hostile takeover attempt of the US government.
You will have to grow up and understand history to comprehend what I am saying, though.
Even in hard time we need to still be better then they are. One point I’d like to make…..how sad the times really are, that even AA’s know deep down Obama really has shown nothing, he has such strong support. He has skipped events, etc. The hope for some power, justice, a place at the table, shows a lack of understanding by white America that Axelrod is using against the American people and it must be handled. It has split the Dem party….most of the party is scared of the Black part of the party, truth be told.
All that is very well known here. Obama did nothing for those poor people living in those slums, and let me tell you. They are SLUMS! Houses falling down etc. its bad. All the time he was in office here in Illinois, I NEVER heard him say a word about those conditions.
And another thing…….There is a very deep level of mistrust here with the Hispanic community and the AA community. Those that don’t live here will NEVER understand it. It all goes back to Affirmative Action.
Jesus H Christ, is this freeperland now? You people are just as ugly AND as full of shit as they are. Every time I check in at this once-respected site, the worse the rhetoric.
Pity, Larry, for letting this happen to your site. Adios.
wwjd?
never knew he had a middle name
keep you pity for the party you will be attending in Nov when Barry loses.
You will need it. Then you can go back to tie-dying your sideburns magenta!
that’s YOUR not you
Ah, yes, meet Kev and Jeff.
See, it’s a lie, your assertion meant to inflame and demoralize, all your trolls are based on lies.
As such, the physics force you to defend, rather than attack, and here, in your offense you’ve ignorantly set up your defeat, a circle of sorts.
And you weaken yourself into extinction with each troll, it’s how to bring down a simple mind like you.
You don’t get it, do you?
Gosh, no wonder they rejected you, you re too stupid.
Try real propaganda war sometime, absent those silly projections that were invincible.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Mocking the truth only shines a brighter light on it.
Ooo I like that one Lion!
Thankie
Boys doing a lot of work, all I see is more stupid, and not one clue.
See, it works, now dont change a thing about your troll methods.
Cretins.
Oh look, calling people stupid again. how clever!
Pagan…Very Interesting Read..You did alot of work putting this together..
Its pretty obvious what has happened to the Democrat Party…It has been taken over by Really Far Left Wing Liberals ..some who who Read Karl Mark..and Socialist Writings and who have educational Associations, Backgrounds, Far left Parents, and a History of Activism..that go’s way beyond any Loyalty to the United states Government…as seen by Senator Obamas Long association with the Terrorist and Traitor, William Ayers ..other known Communists, and with His Long Association with His Propoganda Minister Jeremiah Wright..who embraces Louis Farrakahn, Nation of Islam and others in an ALLIANCE
of radical Racists Groups, Like Ayers and the weather Underground did with Violent racial Groups
in the 1960s..
I think that all The Publicity that Minister Wright got recently was his Opportunity to get the Militant Black liberation message out to the entire black Community and to the World…to Me it was more Like a DECLARATION..and part of some Plan..
I Have to believe that Barack and Michell were secretly pleased at Minister Wrights exposure…they have been his Followers for 20 years…
It did not hurt Obama at All..because as the POLITICAL ARM of the Movement..He can say One thing…and His PROPOGANDA Ministers can get thier messages out..However they are “PACKAGED”..
I am Disgusted to see so much Garbage piled around Obama and his Backgound..
we have all seen a long history of Coups and Juntas
and political Takeovers..in the name of “Social Justice” and “Liberation Theology”..and how populations react to Rhetoric like Minister Wrights..
We have recently seen the Machete wielding results in Africa..not only Blacks killing Whites, but Blacks killing blacks..in the Name of “Black Liberation”
Obama’s Mentors are Revolutionarys..Radicals..Known Terrorists..sme of his friends bombed targets in the United States and wish they had done more Bombings..
Obama is thier Political front man..and He is being
FORCE FED on a Gullible America…
If He is a Communist, or follower of Karl Marx, or a Socialist,or He really Believes what Minister Wright teachs about the United States Government..
He should have the Guts to say so…But, you don’t take over Governments with truth when you want a Coup… You tell LIES, get the People behind you..
and let them Learn the TRUTH whwn its too late…
Hell, we don’t even have a Committee on Un`American Activitys any more…
That all went away during the Middle Stages of this Coup decades ago…We are seeing the Last Chapter…
BOO!
Jesus! Cut that out! You scared me!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election
PLS EVERYONE ,,,SIGN ,,LEAVE A COMMENT ,,,,AND PASTE IT EVERYWHERE ,,,,EVEN REPUBS SHOULD SIGN ,,
WE WANNA HAVE A LOT OF SIGNS
have ur neighbors ,,and relatives sign ,,
have ur co-workers and anybody u know to sign this
we need to do it people ,,
I notice the Obama supporters in this thread are particularly vicious. This is why I refuse to support Obama. They are both verbally and physically violent.
Pretty much every time I say something I get a “fuck you” thrown in my face. We’re hardly the violent ones on here.
if someone was physically violent to you, you should have them arrested.
SO A SPADE IS A SPADE ???? DOES THAT MEAN THE JIG IS UP ABOUT OBAMA. IF OBAMA CANT GET THE WHITE VOTE, HE CANT GET THE WHITEHOUSE, DUH ! KEVIN AND JEFF……DONT YOU KNOW WHAT EXIT POLLS ARE ? GOD YOU ARE DUMB.
Dude, look over to your left. By your pinky.
There is a button called “caps lock”.
Press it, please.
Thanks.
You guys have gone bonkers.
Welcome to the Obama era.
Does anyone have the link for Obama’s video ad to be a “Dem for a day”? I’ve searched with no luck. Blitzer is interviewing BO tomorrow and is requesting our ?s on his blog at cnnpolitics.com. I want to see if Wolfee has the guts to call BO out on his own commercial. They will certainly discuss the claim of “Limbaugh’s Chaos”, but will they show BO personally asking people to be a Dem for the primary? I’d like to give them a chance. (cough, cough)
Please, post the video link here and send it to Blitzer on cnnpolitics.com
Thx
Wrong board.
If you’re going to bother replying, why don’t you go the extra step and inform a newbie where the proper board is. Then it wouldn’t be so off-putting.
I don’t think my post is OT since the very 1st line of the article is about Rush’s crossover votes. If trying to expose BO’s hypocrisy is wrong on this board, then I’m wasting my time here.
Why don’t YOU go the extra step?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/hillary_chief_strategist_north.php
What I like is that, now that this battle is pretty much over, the Hillary campaign is being rather blunt: they simply do not think Black, Hispanic and Asian votes count for much. Which is why we get this gem:
“On the Hillary conference call, Hillary chief strategist Geoff Garin made the case for her electability in some of the most explicitly race-based terms I’ve heard yet.
“Garin argued that the North Carolina contest, which Obama won by 14 points, represented “progress” for Hillary because she did better among white voters there than she did in Virginia.
“When we began in North Carolina,” Garin said, “our internal polling and much of the public polling [showed] we were running exactly even with white voters.”
“Garin said that the Virginia electorate was the “closest white electorate in the country” to North Carolina, and added that Hillary “started even” among whites in North Carolina, and “ended up earning a significant win of 24 points.”
“We obviously did not do as well as we would want or needed to among African American voters,” Garin concluded.
“Put in the context of the Hillary campaign’s chief argument that she’s the more electable Dem, Garin’s overall implication here is that her success among white voters in North Carolina yesterday is “progress” in the sense that it strengthens her case for electability.
“In other words, it’s an explicit, and unabashed, linking of her claim of electability to her success among whites.”
* * * * *
I knew it all along . . . “electable” was a code word for “White” the same way “qualified” used to be the old catch phrase.
Just so long as you never confuse a battle with the War. Very bad mistake. Be humble. You are going to need it.
Do you want us all to just stay home?
He has played the race card, sat in the pews of a white hater, accepted funding for his home from a criminal and bundling from the middle east?
Then, he goest to San Francisco and calls whites bitter, clinging to guns and bibles.
Do you really expect that they are going to run to embrace him?
Wake up.
Grow up.
Use your brain.
He played the game to win the nomination. AT ALL COSTS.
Now he doesn’t like the consequences? BOO FUCKING HOO.
Hell I’m not staying home! I am voting! I want it to be gooooooood.
me too..Mickey Mouse gets my vote..from the state that was totally fucked by Obama and team Dean and Brazile..i will stand for my state ..the state of Disney World..and i will give my protest vote to Mickey Mouse!!
and so will many many Fla dem voters..Let Dean explain that!!
fly
You needn’t worry about Latinos. Your chance of getting their votes are slim to none. you see, they feel AAs have treated them the way AAs say white people treat them.
Obama has done just fine with Latinos in Chicago, who tend to be Puerto Rican or Mexican. Check the numbers.
But I notice you don’t even bother to address what Hillary’s own people said. They have now admitted that pretty much anyone knew was their strategy all along: concentrate on only motivating White voters as evidence that Obama was not “electable.” But you know what is so fcuking great about this country?
THEY FCUKING FAILED!
It blew up in their face because young people of all races, the ones with Black and Asian and White and Latino friends, pissed in the Clintons’ lemonade! It blew up because educated White voters, the ones who work and play golf and drink with their Black friends, basically gave the Clintons THE FINGER! You played the race card and you LOST! I love it!
no B-rob..you were conned…and used horribly..when you have been totally screwed and you get it right in the crotch by these new world order boys…we will not be here to wipe your tears.. consider yourself warned..big time…and we grownups are very aware of how you were conned..when you grow up and gain wisdom we will discuss it with you…
fly
the operative phrase is “in chicago.” ooohhh, what a surprise.
of course, dead people vote there too.
i’m in texas - where all the latinos you say will vote for your guy actually voted against him 2 to 1 and in many counties 3 or 4 to 1.
Latinos have gone with Republicans in the last two elections. To even imagine they are going to put Obama in office is like saying Mississippi is going to go Democrat in November. Obama would never get the Florida Cuban vote either. In fact, considering he practically told them they don’t count unless they vote for him, he’s lucky if he gets much of that state at all. Florida is a swing state and they have been disinfranchised before–and they are hopping angry. Just because Obama did “pretty good” with Mexicans in a state doesn’t mean Latinos love Obama. The problem here with the Obama campaign is they think winning a battle is winning the war. They are so busy trying to win the nomination, two states be damned, that they keep forgetting that Repubublicans vote in November and all those swing states have NO problem going Republican.
Latinos love Hillary.
I used to have a friend named Rich. I remember the first time I learned that Dick is a variant of Richard. I started calling my friend “Dick.” Over and over again. My mother told me to stop, that she knew I was just using it as an excuse to be crude. But I would just respond “What? That’s his name!” I thought I was clever.
I was in fourth grade.
Fine. So now you call him Rich.
The expression goes back to 300 BC.
If you guys want Obama to be “mainstream,” you better toughen up. No one wants to pussy foot around a CIC for four years.
Oh right, that was just for Clinton supporters ….
Yes, now I call him Rich. Because I grew up. Get it?
republican crossover votes are FOR OBAMA.4,063 republicans crossed over and voted for obama in erie pa, it was on tv, that republicans said they were doing it.
not for hillary
________________
THE USA NEWS MEDIA IS OWNED AND CONTROLED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
THEY DONT WANT UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE
they destroyed universal health care in 1993
they are trying to destroy universal health care in 2008
Well it’s OK if they vote for Obama. It’s only not OK if they vote for Hillary.
No matter anyhow though. In November they will vote republican. The Obama camp has been bragging on all those republicans who are going to vote for him. Delusional. Primaries are not General Elections.
Don’t be so selfish!
HO HO HO….That’s priceless.
I don’t hate Barky, but the fact that he is a lying two faced, bigot, flim-flam artist, who seeks to profit on the backs of others, has no experience for the office he seeks, and with the level of effort he expends as HE seeks to “covet” (first principle) is not what I would vote for. I DON’T HATE HIM. He has made a bargain with his own devil.
Some one said love thy enemy… but that is a cross to bear of his own making. Shit!
I still fail to understand how so many African-Americans would choose to vote against their economic interests. What has Obama actually done for that community?
when he was born, his skin color came out like his dad’s instead of his mom’s. that’s it.
When I saw the story title and the Hitler reference, I thought, “Even though this is no doubt a quality article [and it is], it will not go far [which is what you want it to do] in the media, and if it does, they will errantly focus on the title and that will be the story.” I’ve had to change my wording a few times, which was hard, but worth it to me. You, naturally, have to decide for yourself. I think your words deserve national attention.
I appreciate your opinion. You made the case in a respectful way which I appreciate. I wrote this diary with this particular blog in mind, not a national audience. No Quarter is what is needed and No Quarter is exactly what I have given.
I love your writing, and just want it to get a fair shake! Thanks for keeping us informed, Pagan. We need that now more than ever.
There is no way I’m voting for a black muslim communist!!
GO HILLARY DONT GIVE UP!!!! Let’s put this boy back in place!!!
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I cannot with a good consience vote for Obama. I dislike his wife as much as I dislike him and because of his connections to people of very questionable backgrounds,I am scared for our country and I hope sd show some backbone and not let threats of riots by black people scare them and keep them from doing the right thing.
Yes Sir Pat..Someone has to say it..
This is for B-Rob. I don’t know what hole you just crawled out from under. I Live in Chicago. I am very involved in the “process” here. He DID NOT get the majority of the Hispanic vote! My wife is Hispanic and she refuses to vote for Obama! Sure some did. But if you think he will get the Hispanic vote you are sorely mistaken. Look at what happened in Texas, Nevada, Oklahoma, California. He WILL not get that voting block! There are many reason for this but I will try to give you just one. The Hispanic community has been shit on far too long by self serving Pols! This is a very very large voting block and all pols know it! Too much damage was done over the years by the Afirmative Action crowd here in Chicago to simply think that hispanics will fall in line. Please, if you do not live in this community dont pretend to know what you are talking about. You will be in for letdown this Nov. The hispanic community LOVE the Clintons and it will take a very strong Politician to fill those shoes. Obama is not the one!
reddragon62, i suspect that he did get the hispanic vote in chicago. that does NOT mean that they voted for him. it just means that the chicago machine gave him the votes. just like gary indiana was going to do last night until mcdermott called their asshole mayor out on national tv. (and i strongly suspect the reason for the close vote in indiana had nothing to do with real votes).
actually, that’s the one way i can see obama winning in november, the only way - if he has enough pull with diebold. it certainly appears that he has shitloads of money, and that most of it came from lobbyists, etc., and much of it came from foreign and domestic terrorists. a few bribes here and there and bingo, presidency.
if he can’t pull that off, he can join kerry and kennedy in loserville. i’m rooting for that.
And another thing…….
I don’t hate Barry. But I can’t in good faith vote for him. I “EDUCATED” myself about him years ago when he started running here in Illinois and I never voted for him because of it. If you bothered to take off those rose colored glasses and put the Jesus Juice down for one minute, the information is out there.
FREE YOUR MIND AND YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW!
Well Said Red Dragon…
I’m sorry. I thought this was an information center for dispelling the media’s fantasy-spinning about Obama and helping Hillary–not some “this is my blog and I’ll say what I want!! And because Billy said ‘poo-poo’ on his…DOODY!! (giggle giggle!)” Internet short bus for special-needs children.
You go right ahead and “celebrate” your Freedom Of Speech. I’ll move along and look for constructive sites where I can actually quote and link articles about Maya Angelou and William Ayers without the discussion being distracted by loaded language throughout the site.
Thank you PH.
It always angers me when some POL or Troll decides he or she knows what is going on in a certain community when that person has never stepped into it. I am an American Indian. I can’t tell you what it means to be Black,White or Asian. But I DO know my community. And that community is a mixed one. Of all races!
I do most of my volunteer work for the DNC in the Hispanic community and I KNOW what they are saying. And it is not comforting for Obama and his cult of personality. The damage done over the years and especially as of late will take many many years to heal. Women are angry at being marginalized. Older voters are upset at being told they are no longer useful by some of these snot nosed punks that spew this hatred over at those other sites. I have three daughters and believe me I am pissed at the level of hatred tossed at one of the strongest women I have ever had the pleasure of watching. do they talk to their Mothers that way? Is this what they think of their sisters? Shame on them all!
I just hope that those that spew this hatred can sleep well at night.
They don’t have “mothers” anymore. They call them by their first names, and they’re just “friends” now. And you know, friends don’t rat out friends, or all that stuff. So the kids can be baffoons, and “Carla” will be so hyped to protect her family unit, meanwhile advocating more laws to protect society of the very monsters she has raised.
This is our l33t world now.
It’s amazing that you can title a post “Call a Spade a Spade”, and simultaneously accuse the other side of race-baiting.
“Does anyone actually believe that any group of people have the same political beliefs 90% of the time?”
Explain why blacks vote Democratic 90% of the time. Explain why they cluster geographically, why they are clustered economically, why they are clustered educationally?
Your analysis is laughably racist It’s also simplistic to the point of caricature. Actually “analysis” is probably too generous a term - more like propaganda.
Thanks for the laugh.
Oh look, the Race Card! Gee, what would a day be without at least three of them?
well, sometimes a racist is just a racist.
You know, the way you call a spade a spade.
Are all Hillary supporters racist pieces of shit like you all?
Too bad she’s in debt now, maybe if she didn’t run such a fucking stupid campaign she wouldn’t have to cry for Barack to pay back her smear ads.
I’m sure half of you people voted for Bush, there’s no way you can be this dumb as shit and NOT vote for him.
Fucking losers. Your shit candidate lost back in February and you’re still crying about it like a bunch of children. Grow up. She’s a terrible candidate.
Can I get a serious answer to a serious question? Without the name-calling of anyone. Here’s the question: Are there true liberals and progressives here who won’t vote for Obama?
Late Tuesday night, while watching Obama, I had the most vitriolic reaction to his demeanor and his words. I thought then that I could never vote for him. I’m not voting for McCain… I just won’t vote.
But yesterday, somebody sent me a stupid “Obama is a Muslim and this is what the White House will look like…” with pictures of all Muslim paraphernalia. That made me angry, and I had to set straight the person who sent it.
So I’m truly confused and would like to hear others’ opinions if they feel the way I do. I certainly can’t get honest feedback from other blogs that I frequent. Thank you.
(I have to go out, but if anyone responds, I’ll read it later tonight.)
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So, um, has the irony of this comment escaped everyone here?
Folks, Axelrod is JEWISH. And my Godwinometer is off the freakin’ charts. And this is a progressive blog? WOW.
This site represents the worst the democratic party has to offer. In fact, you sound an awful lot like a bunch of skinheads. You might want to rethink your party affiliation because the Dems don’t need your kind.
And how long have 99.99% of “black voters” been voting for the “white candidates”?
Racists.
what a POS site. This is a bunch of progressives?
Rush, Dick, Don, Alberto, Alito, Roberts, McSame, Ann, Michelle - yep, looks like the gang’s all here!!
Wait - where’s Karl?
Oh, yeah - he wrote the article. I forgot!!
Fu=foobar. Sums up his commentary well!
Man, As a black man,I love this stuff. Who knew there were still Dixiecrats around?
Pagan-whatever seems quite…bitter.
And Black racists.
Oh, while I’m at it Black racists…
http://www.tabunka.org/newsletter/black_racism.html
If you want a race war, I’ll give you one you’ll never forget. >:(
and…
“So it has to be something other than politics that unites 90% of the blacks. And I am quite certain that what it is that unites them is race.”
None of you were complaining about that before, were you?
Lovin’ it:)
Dear Larry,
We recently learned from a Chicago paper that Barack Obama attended a religious school in Indonesia for three years, a Catholic one. Then for one year he attended a public school where the teachers wore miniskirts.
Seriously, race is an issue that we need to leave behind us. We have a lot of challenges, but clearly Obama is the presumptive nominee. You’ve done all the opposition research, are you as willing to do the pro-candidate research? You can look at any individual as half empty or half full, but if you start out only looking for things that can be interpreted negatively, what do you expect to find? Favorable perspectives? Let’s put this in the context of gathering intelligence about another country. Should one start out just to gather dirt, rumors and half-truths? Isn’t that what Bush did so wrong in regard to Iraq? If that was wrong, how can you suggest that what you are doing makes any more sense? I’m sorry, I just don’t get it.
Arrogance knows no bounds, now the vultures are trying their soft sell.
“King Arthur”, there’s other dragons to slay, starting with Dean who likes to sit on his largess of gold. Get to work, champ.
“If you want a race war, I’ll give you one you’ll never forget. >:(”
That’s what the blogger The Unapologetic Mexican calls the “Carom Scarem” Wite Magik Attak. The threats of “race war” are always amusing. Who do you expect to carry out this “race war”, btw? The U.S. military?
Do you not want to see a black man be President so badly that you threaten “race war”? That’s sad, and falling-down funny at the same time.