Hillary Writes a Letter to Barack
By SusanUnPC on May 8, 2008 at 2:46 PM in Barack Obama, Florida, Hillary Clinton, Michigan
May 8, 2008
Senator Barack Obama
Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680
Dear Senator Obama,
This has been an historic and exciting campaign. Millions of new voters have been brought into the process and their enthusiasm for the Democratic Party and the principles for which you and I have fought and continue to fight is unprecedented.
One of the foremost principles of our party is that citizens be allowed to vote and that those votes be counted. That principle is not currently being applied to the nearly 2.5 million people who voted in primaries in Florida and Michigan. Whoever emerges as the Democratic nominee will be hamstrung in the general election if a fair and quick resolution is not reached that ensures that the voices of these voters are heard. Our commitment now to this goal could be the difference between winning and losing in November.
I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted. We cannot ignore the fact that the people in those states took the time to be a part of this process and to make their preferences known. When efforts were untaken by leaders in those states to hold revotes to ensure that they had a voice in selecting our nominee, I supported those efforts. In Michigan, I supported a legislative effort to hold a revote that the Democratic National Committee said was in complete compliance with the party’s rules. You did not support those efforts and your supporters in Michigan publically opposed them. In Florida a number of revote options were proposed. I am not aware of any that you supported. In 2000, the Republicans won an election by successfully opposing a fair counting of votes in Florida. As Democrats, we must reject any proposals that would do the same.
Your commitment to the voters of these states must be clearly stated and your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated.
I am asking you to join me in working with representatives from Florida and Michigan and the Democratic National Committee to arrive at a solution that honors the votes of the millions of people who went to the polls in Florida and Michigan. It is not enough to simply seat their representatives at the convention in Denver. The people of these great states, like the people who have voted and are to vote in other states, must have a voice in selecting our party’s nominee.
Sincerely,
Hillary Rodham Clinton
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HuffPo has a lead article painting Hillary as a racist and I’m sure it’s being spread over the internet. (Top article on the Politics Page).
In addition to posting here, we must go to other sites and combat these lies. I’ve researched the following if you need data to post:
Bill Clinton appointed nine African Americans to cabinet posts. He also appointed Carl Stewart, the first African-American ever appointed to the Court of Appeals serving Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas.
Bill appointed hispanics, Henry Cisneros, Federico Peña, Bill Richardson to caninet posts. Plus Castillo, the first Hispanic federal judge in Illinois, and Lisi and Currie the first women to serve on the federal trial benches in their states.
Maggie Williams, currently running Hillary’s campaign, served as chief of staff for Hillary Clinton when she was First Lady. Maggie Williams was the first African American woman to ever hold that position. Patti Solis Doyle was the first female Hispanic to manage a presidential campaign, she was recetly replaced by Maggie. Hillary hired Addisu Demissiem, a Yale graduate of Ethiopian descent, as her Political Director in Connecticut.
Hillary also hired African American Bob Nash as her deputy campaign manager. Nash had worked as the director of White House personnel for President Bill Clinton for six years. Also, Minyon Moore, former CEO of the DNC and White House advisor to Bill Clinton. Nash and Moore are two of about a dozen of African Americans in the Clinton inner circle.
Obama supporters:
Please name the African Americans in Obama’s inner circle of PAID advisors. Because every search I do turns up only white liberal advisors on his payroll.
I absolutely refuse to click on Huff’n'Puff, it’s become so polluted. But thanks for doing the dirty work for us…
I couldn’t find the article you mentioned on Huff and Puff. This surely has to do with her use of the phrase that some people don’t cotton to Obama. I have heard more than enough of crap from people trying to turn everything any white person that supports Hillary into a racist statement. Don’t let me get started.
WAY TO GO HILLARY…..THANKS NQ FOR POSTING THAT….
ALL THE WAY TO DENVER HILLARY…
VOX POPULI VOX DEI
( THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IS THE VOICE OF GOD )
AND THAT INCLUDES FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN…..
Because every search I do turns up only white liberal advisors on his payroll.
Please stop this. Please stop using “Liberal” as a pejorative.
I’m a lifelong Liberal Democrat and proud of it, and I was first eligible to vote in 1964.
Neither Barack Obama nor any of his advisors is a Liberal. I have my doubts that any of them are even Democrats, but I can say with absolute certainty that not a single one of them is a Liberal.
Thank you.
I agree they are not liberals as you knew Land of Lincoln…They are the RADICAL LEFT POWER BROKERS….And assorted corrupted fascists….
Both are good points.
Please name the African Americans in Obama’s inner circle of PAID advisors. Because every search I do turns up only white liberal advisors on his payroll.
LOL! Like you really care about blacks being paid.
I worked with whites and blacks who came from various states and none of whom were paid for their hard work for Obama.
Sonia,
Call the DNC all you want. They are none too many about the Hillary supporters theatening to withhold funding if they don’t get their way.
No matter. Obama supporters are picking up the slack.
Where will you folks turn next…the RNC?
Like you really care about blacks being paid.
Hey CeeBrain your remark displays your vast amount of ignorance.
stick comments like that where your sun don’t shine. OK?
none of whom were paid for their hard work for Obama. Ewxcept in Philly of course…it wasn’t enough…
Didn’t answer the question did you, Cee?
Like you care about black people.
If Obama supporters are picking up the slack then why doesn’t the DNC have any money? Why is it broke and begging for money? Because, if you were educated about the facts, you would know that the Obama supporters aren’t picking up the slack. They just talk a big game. Like you. How much money are you, personally, contributing to the DNC? I’ll bet you haven’t given one penney. You’re just all talk. Just like Obama. All talk and no action.
i can only think of susan rice
I’m sorry to cut but this is urgent:
I just found out now that Larry King is asking the viewers to vote to this question:5/8/08
CAN HILLARY CLINTON REBOUND?
Vote:
http://www.Larry King Live-CNN.com
CNN.com Larry.King.Live/
YES: 37% 291
NO: 63% 490
Votes: 781
Pls. vote! Hillary needs our support! Thanks!
This is a link to a survey for Count The Votes, in conjunction with the meetings about this at the end of the month. I just completed it. Please participate.
http://www.floridademandsrepresentation.org/files/FDR_STV_SURVEY_WEB2.doc
Noce of you to give a run down of all the Black people Hill and Bill hired. It still doesn’t excuse her implicit “Only white votes are important” argument. But then again . . . Black voters long ago figured out what she was up to. It just took her getting knocked in the teeth in NC to let it all come out unvarnished.
That ought to get him elected. Please help us out and keep telling people that. You haven’t been involved in politics very long have you?
Here’s a little quiz for you. When was the last time South Carolina went Democratic in a General Election? How about Mississippi? Why did Barky win Mississippi? What are his chances of winning it in November? Careful with those odds now, Mississippi hasn’t gone Democratic since the 60s. You see the problem is, more white people get to vote in November in those states. And most of them are Republicans.
More questions: How come Barky didn’t win all those swing states? I’ll wait…
Hey it wasn’t us who said black votes don’t count, it was Brazile who said white votes don’t count. We have a ‘new coalition, yes we do. Blacks and college kids count. White people don’t. And hispanics don’t. Guess you will just have to find out in the GE. I was wondering if you are aware that there IS a General Election coming up.
You are right though. Black people and college kids count. Italians, Jews, Hispanics, women, all white people whose parents didn’t pay for their education on money they made during Bill Clinton’s presidency, Irish people, 70 million Catholics who don’t vote for people whose religion calls them the Devil,Seniors, most of the baby boomers who aren’t still on the bong, gays and lesbians, Florida and Michigan, Massachusetts don’t count. I appreciate how easy you are making it for us to help send Barky Obama to the Political graveyard.
Other quiz question: How many electoral votes does it take to win a presidential election? How many electoral votes do Florida, Michigan and Ohio Provide? Now remember, this is winner take all in the GE, not this Ding Dong game Barky is playing today. Winner Take All, just like real life. No caucuses! Gasp!
yes that article went up on huffPo, was probably sent to that Townhouse blogger email list, then instantly emailed all over the place and posted to A list blogs. That is how the Kantor video went around too with many of them not bothering to investigate whether it was a smear job or not before posting it on their sites. thats how they do
call the DNC and tell them you won’t accept obama’s tactics!
877-336-7200
pls call
repubs should call them
and bug them too
Obama campaign race baiting evidence :
Here is an OP-Ed in the phili inquirer that summarises it really well
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080330_Obama_was_the_first_t o_play_the_race_card.html
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That link does not work. they may have taken it down, for some reason.
Try this:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080330_Obama_was_the_first_to_play_the_race_card.html
This website is not opening up.
I am so sick of this race crap. If he continues to use the race card, he will never become president or be re-elected Senator.
Obama campaign pushed the race story prior to SC by passing around distorted versions of Bill Clintons comments
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Ytbr-7VaE
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and HIllary historically accurate comments on LBJ
Here is the memo passed around by obama campaign trying to stir the race issue
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_8 1205.html
Aren’t you the busy one! You may want to make sure your links actually work, though. Just a suggestion.
JKFRIZZZZZ…..Your pimp is waiting for you in GAZA….
Is hate your art?
Love & Peace, my brother.
Se how you’re still trolling despite what you’ve been told?
This is called give them enough rope, you ‘ll hang yourself, like Rove has, like Dean is, foam away.
BTW, there are still two horrific middle eastern wars that need to be attended to, this is real life, and the economy needs to be fixed.
Maybe we could ask MI6.(A void, someone will step in, get it, what are you going to do, project?)
Have any ideas?
And if you do, will they be of the quality and logic of your trolls?
Oh, wait, I get it, it’s why we can’t win a wars, the quality and logic of your trolls…
I mean, pimping propaganda and all, I figured you were a genius.
Where is all the understanding in this place? Empathy requires it.
Are we brothers? Are we our brothers keepers? Or do we threaten from that safe place behind our keyboards?
Love & Peace, my brother.
Try this link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html
The final straw for me was what they did to Geraline Ferraro …
They dug out her comments to a small town paper in CA and made a big race issue out of it one day before the Mississippi primary. He sure wasn’t concerned about giving her the benefit of doubt for a “clumsy” choice of words.
And then pretending to be above the race issue by giving his big race speech… — he is a hypocrite…
I will not only be supporting mccain if obama is the candidate , i will actively be campaigning and contributing to him..
To me character is important and Obama is a charlatan.
GO HILLARY !!!!!!!
Racism by Obama is unacceptable to me. Plus all the other isms — like sexism and ageism.
His “great” speech on race was full of hatred. And the Obamabots believe that is was one of the greatest speeches of all time. But the speech reads very ordinary and not worth the time it was given.
Back to the subject of this thread –
Will Obama ANSWER this letter? I doubt it — it is trying to run out the clock. He doesn’t want the revote. He’d rather piss off millions of voters than do the honorable thing and either accept the votes or accept a revote.
I still believe that Obama is not in this race to win in November, since he is really a Republican, he is in this race merely to keep Clinton from the White House.
And I think that would just fine with Howard, Nancy, Kerry etc. Just more of the same bowing to GOP that they been doing for years…only this time the scale of the Vicy bend over is a bit bigger
SONIA
Please:
Get a job
or
Take your medication
or
Take a nap
You are frenzied and out of control. You can help Hillary a lot more if you calm down and send her a lot of money.
WTF…Sajo…Don’t pick on Sonia…..MKAY ?
This is the way they act, WCA. Not raised very well, I imagine.
Sonia, what makes you think McCain DOES have character?
everyone : obama is plannning to declare victory on may 20th after oregon / kentucky.
the only way he can do this if he wins oregon. Polls have clinton behind in oregon by 10 points.
can everyone help make calls to oregon to get voters to go with hillary.
if he cant win oregon , he cant win any of the remaining contests… (SD and MT are white state primaries — not caucus , she will win these , PR, KY and WV are solid clinton)
lets humiliate the sucker and put our lady on top with 6/6 in the rest of the states.
please make calls to oregon.
Obama looks more and more like Bush II. Does this declaring victory on May 20 look like the mission accomplished stunt pulled by Bush?
It is incredibly arrogant of Obama to be declaring victory while the race is still on. The again, Obama has done a lot of arrogant and underhanded things in his attempts to become nominated. I’ve come to a point where I can no longer say that I’d be okay with voting for him if he is the Democratic nominee - I’ve been kicked too many times for merely being a Hillary supporter. This premature “victory dance” of Obama’s will only serve to alienate voters that he will desperately need in the general election. Obama should be reaching out to us, not giving himself a big pat on the back.
An epigram for Hillary’s letter:
“You know, it’s clear, this election they’re having is not going to count for anything”
- HRC on the upcoming MI primary, 10/10/07, NHPR
Want more info as to Obama, and then know he won’t work for Fla and Mich?
http://poligazette.com/2008/03/09/was-there-an-obama-daley-deal-on-the-presidency/
Excellent article, Mel. Thanks for posting; I’ve sent it to major media outlets.
GO, Hillary! Make the jerk declare IN PUBLIC he doesn’t want the votes counted. I DARE HIM to say that in public.
SHE LOST ALREADY! Way back in February, no doubt! Are you all really that delusional? Get over it and move on!
And Larry, what the hell happen to your site man? This used to be a credible place to visit. I used to recommend your site to people, now it’s just another whiny little bitch blog. Sad really…
there are no caucuses in november…
I’m not sure you understand how the primary process works, or the truth if it bit you in the ass. It ain’t over ’til it’s over, princess. Grow the f up.
AGREE TRUE…” Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe…” HG Wells. The Outline of History
And this is why OBAMA is never going to be POTUS….
You gonna post this on every single diary today I suppose. Go ahead reinforce my belief that BO supporters are the nastiest, rudest people on the face of this earth. Give me one more reason to not vote for him if he is the nominee. You do him more harm than good.
to Lonnie Loach…
hey are you one of the long lost bushbots?????????
you know those paid pigs that came to my state and kept screaming in our faces..”Get over it and move on!”
yeah we know all about your type..and ya know what????????..we don’t listen to your unadulterated bullshit any more!!
go into a room..fill it with mirrors..and cushions (for your own safety..as i am a little concerned for you) ..and scream that bullshit all you want at your image in the mirror..because you are being ignored here..got that?????????
fly an elected 2004 delegate for the State of Florida..
fly, you are too funny!
LONNIE LOACH,
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (DO NOT FORGET, HIS PARENTS GAVE HIM THAT NAME, NOT ME!)& WHAT DID HE DO TO IT?
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA HAS KENYAN COUSIN, RAILA ODINGA, WHO BURNED THE CHURCH WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE AGAINSTHIM,DEC.27,2007,
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/
http://www.freedomseeenemies.com
http://www.raila07.com
BARACK OBAMA IS A COWARD: HE REFUSED TO ACCEPT HILLARY’S ONE ON ONE DEBATE SINCE HIS HUMILIATING LOST, APRIL 16, 2008.
HE IS UNFIT & UNDIGNIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT: NO CLASS; FLIPPING OFF & BRUSHING HIS SHOULDERS (lots of dandruffs??)Is this the kind of president you want to represent you??? NOT ME!Obama, run from
Florida & Michigan will have their REVENGE!!!
Good post Lonnie, but just remember where you came from.
Pissing off the Americans that you were lucky enough to have had the chance to play for doesn’t really make much sense.
Just ask your mom Terri…her and your dad, Larry Morin which is my first cousin. They would both agree…not the way to go because we all come from “small town Northern Ontario”. Ask me how I know…
Opportunities abound, not by hammering our brothers to the South, but by embracing them…as you so did when playing for the teams that signed you up! Humble up a bit…
Kim
Hey Sonia,
You only have 50% of the posts. Time to get working.
As much as I would have preferred Hillary, it is over.
You are doing a real disservice to our party with the whining and parsing.
There is no way she can win.
I am sorry, but it is true.
If you feel that way, why don’t you stay away from here and go back to the DK or Huffpo.
Last time I checked, BO has not yet gotten 2025.
she has already won with my state and Michigan..and get this..we in Fla have a long memory…and right now..Obama is behind McCain by 15% points..he will never ever make that up…never happen..now get over it!
fly
My suggestion to all Hillary supporters is get a map of Oregon and connect with all the small newspapers, if we cant blog the info to them, maybe we can buy a piece in thier newspapers and get them the info that way.
think out of the box. you can teach an old dog new tricks. I do all the time.
Great letter from Hillary.
He’s got a big pile of dirt he keeps trying to sweep under the rug, but two states just won’t stay hid.
There were two articles by Sean Wilentz on the race baiting issue that showed how dumb the whole thing was. It was clearly a way to make black people feel fine about being disloyal to Hill and Bill after all they had done. Scapegoated the issue by a hit job.
This is how things once were, read this and weep!
Salon magazine from 2002:
http://dir.salon.com/story/books/int/2002/02/20/clinton/index.html
The number of times I’ve seen these two sorry Sean Wilentz articles dragged out as if they were the word of the Lord must be getting into the tens of thousands by now. Give it a rest.
Boy oh boy, the Obamarrhoids are out in force today.
Somebody’s scared.
Somebody should be.
Yep, what is the deal, repeatedly cutting and pasting the same comments on different diaries. They have me beyond POd. Why do they have to come here and be such A$$, like they think it’s going to win their candidate our support? How come they don’t see the very strong opposite effect it has. Perhaps they are too immature.
YEP…CLINTON THREW DOWN THE GAUNTLET….
OBAMA REVERSED HIMSELF AND SAID THE PRIMARIES WILL CONTINUE.
NPR : ALL THINGS CONSIDERED…..GUESS THAT SD MEETING IN WASHINGTON DID’NT GO DOWN AS HOPED….HMMMM…….
It’s psychological warfare. They are trying to wear us down. Best to ignore them.
hey, jk
did you click my link? it was from 2002, before she was running for president and it is about how much love they had.
so don’t tell me you’ve seen it all.
I remember this article from 6 years ago when the world wasn’t full of mean obamatrolls and chicago style politics.
that is two trolls i spoke to today. gotta stop this it might become a habit.
I am a Republican, but lately I am really admiring Hillary’s spunk and drive. The DNC, Howard Dean, Donna Brazil, et al are doing a grave dis-service to all American voters by not allowing a revote in both states because of their Stupid Rules. GO, HILLARY and knock ‘em Out!
Go check out her site and her platforms. You can also learn a lot about her from her wikipedia pages and her “Senator Clinton” official page with tons of information on her work in the senate.
Your comments made me laugh and it is true.
can somebody answer my question?
didn’t south carolina have its primary before feb? why they didn’t violate the rulz?
thanks!
Exactly. I’ve said it elsewhere. The stunt pulled by the DNC on MI and FL was totally arbitrary.
Now, legally they can do it. But MI and FL are getting F***** in the process.
YES Iowa New Hampshire and South Carolina all broke the rules.
Rule 11.A. of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention states the following:
11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.
We already know that Florida and Michigan violated Rule 11.A. by moving their primaries to a date before the first Tuesday in February. There is no argument there, but what about Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina too.
Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as “no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February” (Iowa), “no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February” (New Hampshire), and “no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February” (South Carolina).
Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That’s more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That’s more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That’s more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.
Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee’s Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.
THANKS SCOTT…
It’s not just that, why doesn’t the media EVER report on this. I have NEVER, EVER heard this on the TV about the others moving up theirs and no penalties…
I have been posting this all over the internet since Jan 3rd..in Iowa!!!!!!!!
thanks scott for posting this..now watch the trolls go running away!!!!!!!
they hate truth!! and they only want rulzzzzzzzzzzzzz..that game the system for their guy!!
fly..a 2004 elected delegate from the State of Florida.
“they only want rulzzzzzzzzzzzzz”
Now if only the dnc would abide by their own rules
Because that would mean that 2 of the states that Barky won would be disqualified. And we can’t have that. It wouldn’t fit into dean and brazilles script.
What are the 3 other states?
Never mund. I am a slow learner. I just reread your post. Now I get it. Thnaks for the very informative post.
Never mind. I am a slow learner. I just reread your post. Now I get it. Never understood it before. Thanks for the very informative post.
I have not even looked at the comments yet but posting this is great as it sends the trolls into a tailspin causing their usual MO of noise, spin and misdirection.
Way to go Hillary!
Hillary is a true patriot and person of amazing courage and is standing up for our fundamental right for our voices to be heard! She is a master politician, empathic and true visionary and not only will secure the nomination but WILL unite the party in the end. It is her opponent that is seeking to destroy the party as he does not care as long as he (in his mind only) can shove Hillary aside. Hillary will welcome back with open arms those Democrats Obama has been race-baiting and planting fear in their hearts with.
We see the evil bastard for what he truly is and by all that is righteous will stop him.
Hillary is inevitable!
If the DNC want to win in the fall, they must go with Hillary. So that is the heart of the matter. Do they want to win?
I honestly don’t think they think the presidency is the prize. I think that they think the downticket races are the prize and that the black vote will come out for BO and pull the lever for the rest of the dems. That even those dems/indys who won’t vote for BO, will still pull the lever for the rest of the dem down the ticket races. I believe that that is part of the reason that he has so many SDs.
On DK the other day I took a peek and they were saying that one of BO’s superdelegates was under attack from the Clinton campaign, not sure how, but they were fundraising for the SD! More like a payoff if you ask me, at that time, they had raised about 10,000.00…seems like this should be illegal campaign activity to me.
I think the dem party is are also looking at the amount of money that he has raised and think that that will carry over to the DNC fund raising and other dem races, he will get the money for them.
Personally I think that they are very wrong and short sighted.
His supporters have really pissed me off today, ever single time I think, well okay, maybe I could vote for him in the GE, they act like the superjerks that they are.
Go Hillary, the woman is brilliant.
Good for her, doing the smart thing, the right thing, STILL defending our country, looking at the long term welfare of the US, v personal gain, fighting those IDIOT droids.
This is why she is hands down, the best candidate.
“Whatever it takes to win” is a disaster of a strategy.
Abso-fucking-posi-lutely!
And the delegates are constantly being updated as to this nefarious and dangerous strategy and it will backfire miserably. Need proof: The fact Obama can’t, has not and will never close the deal.
Hillary is inevitable!
I am very glad that Hillary came out against the Michigan plan of awarding delegates today. And especially when Susan provided the evidence today that Obama surrogates did actually campaign for Obama in Michigan. It kind of takes the whole Obama wasn’t even on the ballot argument and rips it to shreds. But of course the Cult will continue their same mantra that Obama wasn’t even on the ballot so it can’t count. Just like the same Cultists will say that FLA and MI should be disenfranchised because they moved their primaries up against the rules. And they just totally ignore the fact that New Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina broke the rules too. But of course if Donna Brazil and Howard Dean don’t care nothing matters in their eyes.
I fully expect that the Obama campaign will still play their silly disenfranchising games with Florida and Michigan. Nothing will change. But thank goodness that Hillary is doing the right thing standing up for the rights of voters in this country while the DNC acts like a fascist regime.
Unfortunately, she was against the MI vote before she was for it:
“Well, you know, It’s clear, this election they’re having is not going to count for anything”
-HRC on NHPR, 10/10/07
I guess it’s one thing when the rules seem like they’ll help you, and another thing when they don’t.
JKFritz:
“Well, you know, It’s clear, this election they’re having is not going to count for anything”
-HRC on NHPR, 10/10/07
Is this the only sentence you have on Sen. Clinton’s dialog about the Michigan primary? What was the context of the WHOLE conversation? I have only heard that one little bit, and quite honestly haven’t heard anything else. Does anyone else have more than the one little snippet that has been run over and over and over? Just asking.
Since you asked, I’ll post it again
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19188859
In an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio last fall, Clinton explained why she was the only candidate who did not agree to New Hampshire’s request that she take her name off the ballot in Michigan.
“It’s clear: This election they’re having is not going to count for anything. I personally did not think it made any difference whether or not my name was on the ballot,” she said.
DNC = Does Not Compute
Obama supporters are UFO = Undeniably Fucked Over
But we will stop Obama, we have to, we don’t have a choice.
How about his supporters are UFO - undeniably fucking obtuse?
That works.
Or: Unambiguously Fucking Obsolete?
Or: Unimaginably Fucking Odd?
The cult has it’s use, though, in the greater strategy the more they project, the more they reveal themselves to be witless fools, the greater the chance they show Americans how insipid candidates like Obama are, and their methods.
Americans need to see through the ad campaigns and dirty tricks, really looking at qualifications to elect the best president, period.
You know, making the nation more intelligent, as opposed to dumbing it down, like Axelrove…
Speaking of projection…
I know an Obamaite. A young guy who lives at home ( of course ) He believes in roooles… For everyone else and takes the high morel ground about it. But if it benefits him, he breaks the rules without a thought, then giggles at his cleverness. Lord!
Obamabots are like the walking dead, zombies, with their arms outstretched, faces like those in “The Scream”: Obambi has already won…resistance is futile…we are the future…do not shine a light on us or we will die…”
Here is another article I agree with, very thoughtful. ::: Regarding:
“I will be sending money to McCain the minute Obama is nominated.”
I thought exactly the same thing ( I even thought of volunteering!)- but, and most disturbingly, I’m not even sure why!
McCain’s platform positions aren’t anything like what I believe and that makes me worried that I am - or am becoming - a racist. (As a result of 91% of blacks voting Obama, I might add, as well as Obama and black ministers saying, of Wright’s comments and views, “Hey, this is what routinely goes on in black churches; you just didn’t know it.” It was disconcerting to say the least to realize that, while my consciousness was being raised, blacks were openly stoking the fires of the most despicable forms of racism.)
But after giving it a lot of thought, I don’t think I’m a racist. I think instead my vote for McCain isn’t based on his platform positions so much as it is on his (to use a painfully overused and frequently misunderstood word) **values**:
Honesty. Loyalty. Hard work. Sacrifice. “Maintstream” (not radical) Christian values. A capitalist (not a Marxist).
A vote for Obama to me would be like taking everything I own and have worked for all my life into a casino and betting on a game I know nothing about. I’m not at all risk averse, but I believe in taking caculated risks not blind ones.
Maybe that’s why Obama’s supporters are largely young and/or disadvantaged - they have less to bet and less to lose. And the rest, I suppose, are either far-left idealists (who, by definition, bet recklessly) and people so wealthy they quite accurately regard themselves as largely untouchable - there’s always more where that came from and, if things should get tough, they can easily move to another country.
Viewed from this standpoint, it’s entirely understandable why working class people are not going to vote Obama, without giving any consideration whatsoever to the color of his skin.
If there’s one good thing that’s come out of Obama’s campaign - and the party leadership and media support of it - it’s that it has made people think. While I’m certainly not a Republican, my thought process has led me to believe that the Democratic Party is not where I belong either.
I have been talking about this “hostage” idea for quite some time myself, too. The supers have to see what we’re seeing-HRC is clearly the stronger, better, more qualified candidate, BUT Dems have gotten themselves in a predicament that they cannot now work themselves out of. They are scared to piss off black ppl, so they’d rather give him the nomination and lose in November, than admit that he’s weak and back the person they know will defeat McCain in the general (I’m black and I think this is absolutely ludicrous). But you know, why am I not surprised? Dems have a bad habit of doing this to themselves-like a Wall Street Journal article pointed out this morning, “Dems have a bad habit of falling in love w/the candidate who is untested and unvetter,” and ultimately that spells defeat in a general. No wonder Repubs have managed to win what, 7 out of the last 10 presidential elections?? I absolutely hate how the MSM is spinning this to benefit BHO. NO ONE expected HRC to win NC-like you’ve pointed out JC, it was an impossibility given the fact that blacks (who made up roughly 45% of the electorate) threw 92% of their support behind him. BUT, before y’day all of the pundits were saying how Indiana would be close, but how it would also be a tie-breaker and that BHO had the advantage going in to the contest there given the state’s proximity to Illinois and the fact that the NW corner shares the Chicago media market. BUT NOW, the pundits are saying something completely different (big surprise there, right?). No matter what HRC does, it’s simply not good enough for the MSM. BHO should have won Indiana and his campaign was predicting a 7-point win in the state. Now, suddenly, Indiana was always going to be a win for Clinton?!! Give me a freakin’ break BARACK!!! I’m so tired of this crap. I will NOT vote for him in the general election, bottom-line. Dems need to stop being so concerned about pissing off black people (12% of the national population) and start worrying about pissing off the majority population, and hispanics, and asians, and women (who traditionally make up roughly 60% or so of the democratic electorate). I love how they forget that while BHO might be leading in delegates, this is a CLOSE race-if he wins, I predict doom and gloom for the Dems once again. When will the Dem party ever learn? Making these same mistakes repeatedly is pathetic.
They’re letting his money control them. When a candidate spends billions of dollars and is still not the nominee, then something is wrong. I have a real problem with this nomination being bought and paid for. Especially, when the party is supposed to be the party of working folks. Helloooo
I take issue w/that as well. It’s laughable how many BHO supporters have convinced themselves that his campaign is actually funded by regular folks. HILARIOUS! This campaign is being funded and organized by the far-left liberal elite.
Read this article entitled “The New American Disenfranchisement”: http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html
it seems to me, it was your own beloved donna brazill who said they don’t need blue collar whites,latinos or seniors in their NEW coalition of blacks,snotnosed whinebags and latte lala’s !!!well as far as i’m concerned her and obama can have their wish. it will be interesting to see how far they get without us.and for not being real dems. !! all i can say is: if what i see going on now is the future of the party,then your finally {w}right about something.see ya !!
If Ms. Brazile, Coward Dean and BO don’t need us typical white people; reasonable, moderate dems; working class folks, then as Mimi says “win WITHOUT me!”
Don’t send me emails looking for money. Don’t ask me to write letters in support of your inept candidate. And DON’T ask me to vote for this dangerous, lying, fraud in November, because my money, my time and support is going to McCain.
I will NOT vote for a candidate who despises and hates this country and its people! I will NOT do it.
Won’t happen, unless that minute is in an alternate reality than this one.
By and large the delegates know Obama is a threat to our very way of life and are waiting for cover to stop him. He has not closed the deal because he is unable to close the deal and will never close the deal.
He is flaccid and will never impregnate America with his bad seed. We will face down this evil.
If Ms. Brazile, Coward Dean and BO don’t need us typical white people; reasonable, moderate dems; working class folks, then as Mimi says “win WITHOUT me!”
Oh, use Mimi like Hillary used Bob Johnson and Andrew Young.
Did it help Hillary when Andrew Young said that Bill slept with more black woman than Obama?
Hey CeeBrain you really ARE a bigot.
I always wondered about it.
How does it feel? Being obligated to be forever feeling guilty…eh?
Mimi IS correct. And has a ‘God Damn’ good reason.
MK5112 posted well.
You have no excuse…Do you?!
Teak,
Hardly. I’m not the one that has stooped to lies and using race and class to divide people.
What do I feel guilty about?
I’m not the one that has stooped to lies and using race and class to divide people.
Wrong again. It’s true you didn’t start it–that dubious honor belongs to your idols O(reo)bama and Axelrove–but you’re certainly happy to parrot all the talking points like the good little sheep ewe are.
Just when you think you hit the bottom of the barrel, you lift it up and underneath you find Cee Hussein.
Mimi; more squiggly things.
AND IT REEEEEKS…..Take a bath Ceehussein….or has the village pump run dry in GAZA…..
Teak,
Answer my question.
Just when you think you hit the bottom of the barrel, you lift it up and underneath you find Cee Hussein.
Mimi,
How does it feel to be used by people on this blog and by the Clinton campaign?
How do you feel about Hillary’s comments today dismissing black votes and needing white ones?
Oh, and we will win without you so you can keep saying. Stomp your feet even.
“Use” Mimi?? “Used” Bob Johnson and Andrew Young?
Could you possibly be more patronizing?
Oh, and Cee? I can smell the flopsweat from here…
Yeah you and cee are reeking of it…..Landlincoln my ass….WADDLE BACK TO GAZA….Your candidate is destined fo political OBSCURITY.
AND PROBABLY PRISON…..
Those of us that are relatively knew here genuinely do not know what the Gaza references are. Would you mind explaining?
SORRY LAND OF LINCOLN….MY COMMENT WAS DIRECTED AT CEE HUSSEIN…..SCUSE’
You’re ’scused.
Uh, workingclass artist?
I’m a Clarkie and a proud Clintonista, and I think Cee’s an a**hole.
I think you read my post too fast.
Oh yeah–and I was born and grew up in Illinois, so I know ‘waaaay too much about Illinois/Chicago politics, but I’ve lived in the southwest for nearly 40 years now.
Just sayin’…
WOW!!!!! MK5112 that is one great article you linked to. And it makes perfect sense based on what has been happening. A power grab by the far left of the party. Amazing. Just amazing. I am speechless.
What do you know about this blog? And who is J. Brown?
The black churches I’ve been in are nothing like that. They are red hot for Jesus!
Kevin,
Count the damn votes! I live in Michigan and we are pretty ticked off.
Obama won’t win in November anyway. Obama supporters are very naive. They have no clue as to how folks view Obama and it isn’t pretty. All the racists aren’t dead yet. Just remember when we lose that it was because of naive Obama supporters thinking our country has changed when it comes to race. It will happen some day (and the sooner the better), but it will not happen in 2008.
Sorry, but Hillary has become a sham…She is asking
for money for a product she can’t deliver, like a Katrina roofing contractor who takes the money and can’t deliver the work.
Hillary is done. She can go on, like a traveling circus, collecting more money to cover her own investment (11.4 million) but she will not get the nomination.
In the meantime she digs her hole deeper and deeper, losing the respect and the support of people for any future attempts to run.
It is sad. And I am sincere, not sarcastic when I say this.
Prove it , salo.
Second that SAJO..PROOVE IT….OR DON’T THEY GET US PAPERS IN GAZA
Prove what, unemployed “artist”?
If you don’t see the signs, you won’t get it.
Sajo wrote nothing that you can’t see or read for yourself.
If you have trouble with digesting information, that’s ok. Time will prove what you want sajo to prove.
And I am curious too…why Gaza? Are you from there?
LIEBERMAN…( TYPICAL MONIKER FROM GAZA ) I AM SELF EMPLOYED
AND WORKING ON A RATHER LARGE HIGH END COMMERCIAL PROJECT….YOU ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE TO WALK TO GET WATER IN A PLASTIC JUG ON YOUR WAY TO THE MOSQUE….
HURRY….SUICIDE BOMBERBACKPACKS ARE RUNNING LOW…NOW IS YOUR CHANCE FOR PARADISE….PRAISE OBAMA…LOL
I AM SELF EMPLOYED
AND WORKING ON A RATHER LARGE HIGH END COMMERCIAL PROJECT….YOU ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE TO WALK TO GET WATER IN A PLASTIC JUG ON YOUR WAY TO THE MOSQUE….
And displaying the milk of human kindness and certainly not an elitist.
Sajo,
Obama is done. We are going to be stuck with President McCain. I just don’t understand how folks can be so naive that after the last 7 years, race is not longer an issue. Wake up.
Donate to Hillary and help propel her to victory!
There’s lots of noise being spewed by the Obama/MSM/Troll-army-of-fools propaganda machine designed to sap your spirits.
We can stop both Obama and McCain if we remain focused and committed to the cause.
Hillary is inevitable!
Why? are you planning to vote for McCain?
I think you may give too little credit to the American working class.
They were not fooled by Hillary’s pandering about the gas tax relief, and in time they will also find out how the Clinton’s Nafta insistence started the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs, and the diminishing of the Unions.
While the Clintons were advocating for Nafta, Obama was doing community work with the unions for the workers whose factory was shut down
If you think blue collar is so racist, how do they feel about a guy whose mother was white?
Maybe only half of them will stay racist ????
Sajo….WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE WORKING CLASS…LET ALONE AMERICA…..PREACH IT TO ANOTHER CHOIR ! IN GAZA
As a “they” (aka Typical Working Class American), I find Mr. Obama more than offensive. And my other, TWCA half, finds him (B.O.) even more offensive, so yes, we will find ourselves voting for a Republican this fall if this continues and the nomination is given to him. For my husband, it will be the first time since 1979 that he’s EVER not voted a straight Democratic ticket. And yes, since I live in Nevada and can’t write in my preference, I will vote for Mr. McCain.
And as the TWP (typical white people) mother of two biracial children, I’m surprised that you even acknowledged the other half of his racial heritage. If one of my multi-racial grandsons ever said what that man said of his grandmother, it would break my heart. My children–and grandchildren–are human beings first, foremost, and always. And I am just as much a part of my children’t heritage as their father.
Anyway, in our household, we’re extremely disgusted with this nonsense. This is the first time I’ve ever held such animosity towards a Democratic candidate–EVER! And I’ve been of voting age since 1974.
We just wish that all these people would go back to their Libertarian, or Green, or whatever Party and let us have back our Working People Party–the Democratic Party!
JMO.
Hopefully better than that mother’s son does…think of her, that is. Do your homework. He had nothing but CONTEMPT for his mother.
And, if you’re not into reading…just get yourself the audio version. Better yet. It’s even MORE offensive hearing the words come straight out of his mouth.
Bullshit. Hillary said Michigan wouldn’t count.
A Love Note to the DNC from another blogger:
Due to my party’s refusal to see me, a citizen of the United States, worthy of the right to vote. I will not be voting for your candidate unless you count my state of Florida’s and the state of Michigan’s primary votes.
I’d like to congratulate Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi on their success in sytematically destroying the Democratic party that I have supported my entire adult life.
Best wishes in your attempt to pick up the pieces of our terminally fractured party. I will be one of those typical white Americans, clinging to my guns and religion as I vote for McCain.
There is an obvious solution to the Michigan problem. The undeclared portion of the vote should be deep-sixed. Hillary’s portion should be allocated to Dennis Kucinich. Since Hillary is obviously toast, this move could represent an act of repentance for her miscellaneous sins of self-centred brutality against her party.
As for Florida, this matter should be submitted to the Extreme Court of the USA. This is a body which already has had superience with such cases and could prove it by coming to its verdict at 3 am, the time at which Hillary is used to receiving bad news on the telephone.
Another option - an offer that Hillary cannot refuse. Hillary closes down her campaign, offers fealty to Obama, and generally stops yacking and waving her arms. In return, she is allowed to use her votes as trading points at Wallmart. She could use the votes to buy some lovely baggage or some new pant suits or a bush sapling or two. Let’s give these ideas and some others a lot of thought - or just enough that we come to a consensus by the time Obama is sworn in.
It appears that you are related to Donna Brazile. Her brother, perhaps? The two of you can get together and happily bend all the rules of democracy for your little Bambi fawn, Obama.
Once again:
“Message to the base: stay home”
Donna Brazile
Barack Obama will never have my vote. Never mind the fact that he doesn’t want my vote, you and your fellow idiots have sunk any chance he ever had. The incessant need to troll post leaves me to wonder why, if you are secure in your candidate’s “inevitable” nomination - do you troll post? Could it be that you, just like your candidate, lack substance and character? Leave already!
If only Hillary agreed about the correct winning number, OH WAIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OsYnegoV28
workingclass
I tried to write a thoughtful response to you twice, and for some reason my post doesn’t show up.
Are they censoring Jews on this site?
I truly think nobody ever thought out the outcome of how the DNC “rules’ in a scenario such as this one. The rules do say the re-vote can be done, it is just Obama won’t agree to it. For someone so intent on creating unity this does not match up. In reality he is a liar for saying he is for unity.
The Democratic party has, along with Obama, destroyed itself by not thinking about the big picture that it creates by not counting the votes.With the past failures we have had, it is not time to add onto them.
I will not be a part of the Democratic party until I see that it really stands for what it is supposed to be about.They, as well as the pundits, all seem to think we will come together and vote for someone who actually steals the vote from the American people.
And finally, let’s get these crazy rules thrown out. Let’s make it simple.
great letter senator clinton, all the necessary arguments are there, now what say you dnc and obamans?
ANNOUNCEMENT
Hillary is Inevitable!
It has been changed to:
President and Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton is inevitable!
Obama’s weenie is stuck in his zipper, as it were.
You got the battle cry, now lets get Hillary to the finish line!
Great letter Hillary!
If them Democrats wan to win in November they had better figure out a way to count the votes or revote in Michigan and Florida. Without that happening, no way will Obama win.
I am still waiting for someone to explain this. Both MI and FL voted knowing they were not voting for delegates. So why would they be so enraged by not getting delegates that they will vote R? Or not vote?
No one has explained the thinking here . . . .
Not that I owe you an explanation, but Florida had no choice. The bill was passed by the Republican senate. The bill was also attached to a law that required a paper trail in Florida. And given the problems they have had in the past, I don’t think the few Democrats there had much choice do you? I suppose you would have preferred they didn’t vote at all? It sure seems that way to Barack OBama. Too bad for him he can’t stop them from voting in November.
What the frig don’t you do your own goddamn research?
I wish I could post on other Obama sites, problem is, they, like Republicans CENSOR comments
In the end, if Obama refuses to redo the Michigan election, Hillary supporters are going to perceive Obama as having won the primary election by bullying Hillary.
And, they are going to perceive it as a sexist issue (women’s suffrage, women’s right-to-work, equal pay, etc.), where a dominant male refuses to treat a woman with equality and respect.
So many people will turn against Obama when they realize 6′1″ bully became the democratic candidate only because he refused to hold a fair and democratic election in Michigan so those people’s votes will count.
Stated differently, it appears that Obama may only win the election by dividing the Michigan delegates in an undemocratic manner, rather than holding a democratic election and that will not sit well for Hillary supporters.
juan
You are so right the DNC has done us a disservice but I try to find the “silver lining” in things and I find that this situation with Obama IS bringing many of us together from the Republican Party and Independents along with half the Democrats! WE are pulling together AGAINST what we see as a very bad choice for the USofA.
The MODERATES from both sides have been alienated by our parties. We ARE America, those of us that bust our butts everyday. Personally I think the term “lunch bucket” dems is damn offensive. I say we are the TRUE Progressives. The more they push her to get out, the more I am sure she will win. Hey, what about that debate Obama? Chicken?
I wonder if Hillary will want them to count all the Black voters votes in Michigan and Florida, since they are obviously don’t count as much in her mind as the White voters votes . . . .
Funny . . . the hillaryclinton.com website links to all her newspaper interviews, but NOT to yesterday’s USA Today interview . . . wonder why . . . .
I wonder if these votes will count.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g
Peace and love to all my brothers and sisters here. Keep the love. Spread no hate.
The Michigan/Florida thing is pure desperation. Clinton wouldn’t care about MI/FLA if she were ahead.
And regardless it’s really not that close. Even if MI/FLA were counted as is, Obama would still be the winner.
It’s a non-issue. They’ll be seated at the convention.
Why are we still discussing this stupid primary and who should the nominee be. Please, please, please Sen Clinton, if you are listening, give the nomination to Sen Obama and run as Independent. We want you to continue fighting for us and deliver us from the radical Obama and Bush clone Mcain. We can do this without the help of the Democratic party. You already have a strong following plus a sure shot on winning Michigan and Florida. You also are assured of the majority of working class white, hispanics and asians (remember CA).
All the luck.