who is guilty of stealing the nomination?
By American Girl in Italy on May 8, 2008 at 11:16 AM in Barack Obama, DNC, Democrats, Donna Brazile, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, John McCain, Obamedia, West Virginia
Susan’s Note: Sarah wrote a particularly powerful comment in the post just below, “What’ll Be Left of the Democratic Party.” I am adding her comment at the end of this NEW post by Sarah today.
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I keep hearing on the news that if the Super Delegates *give* the nomination to Hillary Clinton, the African Americans will be so mad, they will leave the Democratic Party. They will riot in the streets that Hillary stole the nomination. (There are already planned riots in Denver.) The MSM blathers on and on about how it will be seen as *stealing* the nomination from Obama, and giving it to Clinton. They talk about the rage that will be felt in the African American community.
And you know what? We Clinton supporters know what that will feel like. Why you ask? Simple. Because we see so many instances of Obama stealing the election NOW. We are pissed off. The Obama campaign has been practicing fraudulent voting practices for months, and the MSM just sits there, and says nothing. The MSM has done everything in their power to force Hillary out of the race, for months.
We feel like Obama has been stealing this nomination all along.
And ALL the talk about the importance of the African American vote is driving some *typical white people* a little mad. Yes, the African American vote is important. But so is the non-African American vote. Dem party leaders are pissing off the white women, the blue collar workers, Asian Americans, and Latinos for a start. Donna Brazile doesn’t seem to think the blue collar worker is all that important to the party. And the Democratic party, if Obama is the nominee will lose 50% of Clinton supporters. They will vote McCain or stay home. Obama will not get their votes. So, you might want to consider that.
Yesterday, someone saw Obama campaign literature INSIDE a polling place - which is ILLEGAL. They video taped it. Jack Trapper wrote about it on his blog. Will it get any coverage? HA And it makes me wonder how often this has been happening. You can NOT campaign INSIDE polling places.
Last night one county in IN took hours to report any numbers last night. Sounds very suspicious. The Mayor (Obama supporter) of Lake County blames it on early voters? Weird because every other county managed to get their votes counted. The Mayor of Hammond County (Clinton supporter) said it reeks of hanky panky.
We have seen numerous stories about intimidation, illegal practices, bullying, and full on fraud at caucuses in many states. Another here. (you have to read the *more* to get this one)
Kim Frederi documented numerous occasions of Obama supporters not following the rules, and using intimidation in her state’s caucus She is a delegate.
And they hand out free sandwiches? Is this legal? There were reports in NV that they literally pulled homeless people off the street, and promised them a free meal, to campaign for Obama.
There is also a lot of talk about seating the delegates and the votes in FL and MI. Well, Obama broke the rules in FL. He ran TV ads in FL and he campaigned there. And he is fighting the votes being counted and the delegates being seated? Bill Richardson said that we have had enough debates, but on the other hand he said that Obama was not known in FL, so the vote wasn’t fair. There were 17 debates before the Florida primary.
And don’t think I am being loony with my stealing vote theories. Machines can very easily be hacked. And considering Obama has the *higher educated* and *younger* voters, I doubt this is happening.
CNN: Vote Fraud Diebold Voting Machines Steal 2008 Elections
I don’t trust the guy. I think he offers the worst kind of politics. He has too many questionable associations. I am five years younger than Obama, and have managed to spend my entire life never knowing or associating with terrorists, slumlords or anti-American crazy assed ministers. It is absolutely not coincidental that Obama is associated with that many anti-Americans or seedy characters. One, ok. But we are talking numerous. See this chart someone made. Hugo Chavez?? There is a long article here.
Obama lied about what he knew and when he knew it with Wright. He fabricated a public fight with Wright, so he could finally denounce *the man*, something he said he could never do. But he had to, after he realized his *speech on race* did not do enough. Now Obama thinks a 20 year relationship is behind him, just because he *denounced* him last week? Just because they fabricated the opportunity - something he couldn’t do for 20 years? Do not believe the hype, people. He did not disown Reverend Wright.
And, listening to him last night, in his most recent attempt to appear patriotic, he mentioned how meaningful it was to see his father’s casket draped in the American flag. Well, that is a lie. His father died in Kenya. He was in a car crash, as a result of his drunk driving. He was buried in Africa. And Obama didn’t attended the funeral. And his father was not draped in an American flag, in Kenya. To me, he just revealed more of what a fraud he is.
Perhaps it does sound like I am a *sore loser* following the NC results last night. But you are only half right. I am sore, but wouldn’t you be, if you knew your candidate’s opponent was stealing the nomination? If they were covering up and lying about their seedy associations, if they were guilty of race baiting, and cheating at caucuses and polling places? For threatening African American super delegates and delegates who have received death threats for not supporting Obama, others being pressured to support Obama. Obama started attacking Hillary in this race months and months ago, and has always blamed her. And the media helped spread that fallacy.
So, I am sore, but, not a loser. Hillary has not lost. This race is not over yet. The super delegates have to nominate the person who can will the general election. And that is NOT Obama. He has only just begun to be vetted, and there is MORE to come. He does not stand a chance in the general election.
So, if the democrats want to win the White House, they should nominate Hillary Clinton. If they don’t, the Democrats will be the losers. We, Americans, will truly be the losers.
The people “have a right, an indisputable, inalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge — I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers.” John Adams
If the MSM had been doing their job this past year, Obama would have been out of this race months ago. They have overlooked his background, his friends, his associations, his lack of accomplishments, and now, all the voting fraud. And for those who have done some reporting recently, I can assure you there are many people who would like to take back their vote for Obama after seeing the stories.
Obama said the other day that Indiana was the tie breaker. Clinton won PA, he would win NC, and IN was the tie breaker. Well, Hillary won IN. SO, for all those pundits in the media today, shut up! Quit telling Hillary to get out. If Obama were the shoe-in as the nominee, he would be carrying these final contests. And he isn’t! The rest of America matters. Hillary Clinton supporters matter.
The VOTERS matter. NOT Chris Matthews. Not Keith Olbermann. Or Campbell Brown or Andrea Mitchell. So, PLEASE just knock it off. Do your job, report the news, and let the voters vote. And quit alllowing Obama steal the nomination.
And way to go Hillary in IN! Now she is in beautiful West Virginia!
Gooo Hillary!
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And here is Sara’s comment in the post below — “What’ll Be Left of the Democratic Party“:
This was my email to Donna, regarding her comment:
“message to base: stay home.”?
Dear Ms. Brazile,
I find it very disconcerting that you have been speaking on behalf of the Democratic party, and all the while you have been an Obama supporter. You have not declared yet, but it has been obvious to everyone. And you have continued to drive a wedge in the party, even going so far as to allude to Bill Clinton as a racist.
And now, I see from this email, and your appearance on CNN, that you do not care about a majority of the party - white, blue collar workers, women, Hispanics, and the non-college educated. You actually said, “message to base: stay home.”?
Well, have no fear, many of Clinton’s supporters, should Obama be given the nominee, will stay home, or vote McCain. You can not use RvW as an issue, to try to force me to vote Obama. I know that will not be over turned. It is a voting issue, and we see it every four years. And I know that McCain does not plan to wage this war for 100 years. I understand his comments. McCain supports stem cell research, which is very important to many. And McCain is a decorated war hero, who has served and loves his country. And he has a long standing service, with many accomplishments.
Something that I absolutely can not say about Obama.
I am not a Republican. I am a Clinton supporter and a Democrat. And I think it is crucial that we put a Dem in the White House. But I am an American and I have pride in my country. And I do not, in any way, support Obama. His choice of friends, associates and churches shows me that he has the worst kind of judgment. His utter lack of accomplishments, spending only 143 days in the US senate, with 120 present votes, baffles me, that he has so much Dem party leader support.
How can we elect someone who has never accomplished anything, refuses to take stands on issues, befriends anti-American terrorists, attends a church for 20 years with Wright, and denies ever hearing anything controversial, and then stages a *public fight* so he can finally denounce him, takes credit for bills in the Senate that he had nothing to do with, and is propped up as the candidate of Change?? He is an empty suit, and is being forced on us by people like you and the liberal Obama loving MSM. Obama will never get my vote. And I know many others who will never vote for him either.
Obama does not stand a chance to win the White House in a general election. Had the party and the media (except those few who have actually challenged him, mostly Republican skewed pundits) done their jobs months ago, and actually vetted Obama, or even *questioned* him, he would have been out of this race long ago. And you know it! The debate on ABC was the most telling of them all, and they were ridiculed, for doing what no one has dared to do to Obama, but have been doing to Clinton all along.
If Obama is given the nomination, you and the Democratic party will be telling us ALL that you do not want to win the White House and that YOU want McCain as President. So, it is not we the voters who will be putting McCain into the White House, it is people like you, Kerry, Kennedy and the pro-Obama media.
And this is not meant to be a rude email. I believe this with all my liberal heart.
Sincerely, Sara
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Also remember how Missouri was stolen from Clinton in St. Louis City and St. Louis County. They held their votes until the very last minute, and somehow Obama surged ahead by a mere 10,000 votes. Someone should investigate the St. Louis votes and Claire McCaskill’s connection to the St. Louis machine.
And yes, voter fraud in St. Louis is well documented.
God, I’m having 2004 Kerry/Bush flashbacks.
At some point you all are going to have to accept the fact that Hillary got beaten according to the system that’s in place. Work to change the system next time, but no one complained about the rules before they didn’t work in your favor.
And you don’t have much to support a counter-argument:
Well, OMG, let’s just overturn the primary - which Clinton won by the way, and only lost Lake County by 10 points. Just - grow up. Seriously.
As far as Kerry flashbacks, I’ll say this: I ALWAYS bought into the idea that we all had to get behind candidates I thought were crappy - Kerry, Dukakis, even Al Gore in 2000 was arguably a bad GE candidate.
Now it’s your turn.
My country is more important to me than the party and Obama. I don’t want him near the White House or privy to classified information. This man cannot be trusted.
I don’t think your conclusion is based in realty, but I can’t tell you what your values are. You have to decide whether your distaste for the man outweighs the fundamentally sound policies that he proposes. At this point, it seems like it does. I hope you change your mind.
fuck off. there I took my turn.
For a crowd that complains endlessly about those mean Obama supporters, some of you certainly lack manners. Hope if makes you feel better to insult me rather than engaging the substance of what I said.
You are an unwanted intruder in this place with the moral standing of a child-molester. If we had gone to your blog and posted rude comments you might have a point. Crawl back under your rock and stay there.
I think that writing the word “Obama” on this site is considered rude, especially when followed by the words “honorable”, “decent”, “inspiring”, and “thoughtful.”
This isn’t YOUR blog, jwrjr, and if you want to make your own forum where you won’t have to hear any dissenting opinions, feel free.
I will accept criticism from the owners of this blog. Your criticism has all the value of a fart in the wind. As for Obama and honorable, decent, inspiring, and thoughtful, if you want to post fiction here you should label it as such.
I have learned much from the occasional fart in the wind. Therefore, I accept your compliment.
I am so happy for you. Now try learning from something more informative: the posts on this blog.
No, we don’t want your dissenting views here. When we want to hear trashing of Hillary all we have to do is go anywhere else on the internet, MSM, etc. You are not wanted here, please leave. There are countless internet forums where your views are more than welcome, this is one of a small handful for us. We have different premises in place here and we do not agree with your version of reality, we think it is all lies and deceit from the Obama camp, and we don’t want to hear more of them here.
JKFriz -
I’ve given thousands of dollars to Dems and I will not consider voting for someone like BO.
I believe that he should be locked-up with his buddy Rezko as a co-conspirator. You’re a fool if you think Rezko was Tony “The Fixer” who got BO involved in politics and never illegally gained from it.
BO wanted a mansion, so he let his people freeze.
I don’t want someone worse than McCain as President.
BO voted to limit access to the courts for injured parties. Only an attorney who hates people and desires to take away all of their rights would vote for such an abhorrent law.
BO is not to be trusted. He is funded by the evildoers who continue to make money off of the suffering and misery of others, such as those who lost thier homes in the mortgage crisis.
Obama has always voted for the war. Every time he could.
He has never bothered to convene a single Senate subcommittee meeting, which he chairs regarding NATO.
He is a shapeshifter who pretends to be all things to all people, but the truth is that he is a dangerous deceitful character.
McCain is in fact more decent than Obama. You should be ashamed for being part of a cult. True Americans fight for their country.
I guess the 16+ million americans who have voted for Obama think different.
Obama is not called “Bamboozler” for nothing.
The Democratic party does use “winner take all” rules for distribution of the state delegates. In these races, the number of votes in each district is extremely important.
We’re talking about a revolution. Dump the party leadership now!
Now I know why the Democrats in Congress refused to fix the evoting machine problem. They wanted to use them to install THEIR candidate.
Bingo!
What is REALLY going on:
Anyone adult in 2000 heard the chant “Americans just want to Move On” When Gore was trying to get the FL votes counted.
It worked.
Democrats said, oh well. It’s easier just to let Bush win this time, and in 04 everyone will see how bad he is, and we’ll get a dem back.
The first time I saw this nation brainwash was a decade ago when Bill Gates
was trying to kill off Apple computer.
Microsoft bought out all of our trade journals. Suddenly, the word “Mac” was never seen in print.
I had written an article, and for no reason, the offending word was edited out.
We saw how overnight, the blogs were purged of anyone not mind fucked into believing Obama was Gandhi.
How the entire MSM is chanting in unison “Clinton must get out” “Clinton must get out” “Clinton is hurting the party.”
This is Republican shit.
Please stay in, Hillary Clinton.
It is republican and Obma shit….I want Clinton to stay in on Principle and because IMHO she is THE ONLY CHANCE for sanity we have. I will not vote for OBAMA AND I WILL NOT STAY AT HOME EITHER….
Obama has garnered the votes he has for one reason and one reason only - race. If he was qualified I would vote for him, he isn’t, and under no circumstances will I, come November.
When you try to prove a negative, you prove the truth of my assertion.
Do you understand?
Now, if you understand that basic proof, and apply it to war theory, and defense systems, you have complete control over your enemies actions, leaving peace as the only manner of victory.
Any violent act is an attempt to prove a negative.
I swear, the pentagon opened a can of big dumb white boy, and the sent it to Texas…
This, btw, is why Cheney was DOOMED the minute he decided to invade Iraq, same with Rove.
Again, why genius?
“I don’t get it”
I know.
That is exactly right. Defending oneself against a lie is almost always impossible. You stumble and stutter because you don’t recognize the circumstance you are trying to dispute.
Obama is a Republican Trojan horse. No matter whether McCain or Obama “wins” in November, the Republicans and their DINO enablers keep the White House.
The only question I have at this point is who in the Dem establishment is knowingly enabling this, and who’s just flat out stupid/arrogant–though, come to think of it, the two categories have considerable overlap.
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Why is nobody talking about the Latino vote
by observer5, Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:25:14 AM EST
It seems to me that:
1. Obama has irretrievably lost what the MSM calls the “downscale white” vote (a.k.a. the white trash crowd, per Randi Rhodes) - even if Hillary were to spend 24/7 in the boondocks to plead his case for him. Blame it on inbred racism or clingy bitterness. Most white men will NOT vote Obama.
2. Obama has lost white women. Blame it on Hillary and the hard-to-miss mysoginistic treatment heaped on her by Obama followers and the MSM. Younger white women may vote Obama, but most OLDER white women will NOT.
3. Obama cannot win the GE with just African-Americans and latte liberals.
4. Therefore, the Latino/Hispanic vote is key. Unfortunately, the tensions between Latinos and blacks are well documented. Talk to anybody in California and Texas; look at the primary stats. Richardson is an anomaly. Most Hispanics will NOT vote Obama. They have watched this race, and they have seen how Hillary fought. I suspect they will vote like the “downscale white” crowd.
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Hillary went out to West Virginia today for a noon rally. I found out about it and mentioned it to a friend of mine at work, and she just happens to lives just outside Shepardstown (commutes in to a DC suburb). So she rang her husband at home even though she wasn’t sure he’d get out to it - and darned if he didn’t make it to the rally. He had a great time and even learned a few things about Hillary that’ll help him decide who to vote for next Tuesday - like the fact that Hillary’s is the only universal healthcare plan out there.
Once I found out he was an undecided voter I swung into my phone banking mode in the hopes that she’d pass along what I told her. I talk about things that usually help folks get a little insight into Hillary’s character - things they won’t hear on the talking head shows or the news. I told her about the major difference Hillary’s early and continued focus on children has had in my own son’s life. Of how she’s fought over the years for programs and funding that provide that vital early intervention for children with developmental delays. Of how she could have had an easy path to the big bucks when she earned her law degree from Yale, but she chose to go to work with Marion Wright Edelman at the Children’s Defense Fund and has continued in public service for most of the next 35 years.
At any rate, I think I may have won a couple of votes for Hillary just by mentioning that I was taking my daughter to hear her speak later today. You never know where you’re going to find a few votes on any given day eh?
So back to her visit to Shepardstown WV today - she spoke with the press while she was out there and the campaign put up a video of it on their YouTube page. Take a look…
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I agree. It is time to really begin the fight. I believe it is thanks to No Quarter that the picture of Ayers standing on the American flag in 2001 was finally mentioned in the press today!!! We need to continue to get the word out, because one more Obama scandal may be all we need. But I think we need to do more than talk to each other, we need to get the word to all the papers in the upcoming primary states, really do our research regarding papers, radio broadcasts, write letters to the editor, and mention things like Evelyn Pringle’s 3-part series on Obama’s rise in Chicago politics, Real Clear Politics article “Who is Nadhmi Auchi and what are his ties to Barack Obama?” The MSM is NEVER going to help in this, so we need to keep digging and get the word out on Rezko, Auchi, Alsammarae, etc. We have more primaries to go and if Hillary isn’t giving up, then we need to help her all we can. The Dem party leaders don’t care about and have ignored the sentiment of the people on the internet, and many of the older generation [I'm 60 myself, so I know this!] never log onto the internet, so we need to find other ways to reach them. Pringle details Obama’s many ties to Ayers and the time frame they worked together. Just google her to read her articles, beginning with “The Wizard of Oz”, and spread the word, people!!!
When instances of alleged voter fraud are brought up, I think it would be good to site the specifics. The vague references to fraud do not help push the subject to being discussed as thoroughly as it needs to be.
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SO JUST KEEP E-MAILING THEM THE STORY
Email every bit of dirt on Obama to hannity@foxnews.com and oreilly@foxnews.com, because they have been the only ones to talk about the negatives on Obama.
Vee this blog posted a great reference to the Fraud in Texas by Pacific John….I suggest you read it….And there was Fraud in Texas…I saw it….
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More illegal activity during voting, poll worker saying this is Obama’s house and chanting Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u22NK8S3t10
Well, I have a prediction here. The MSM plan:
Even though the msm has not been willing to go public with all of the documented electioneering (and worse, in the case of many of the caucuses (sp?), I feel confident they are stashing all of it away until after they railroad Obama into the Democratic nomination.
These guys (the msm and the Repubs) have resources for information that we don’t have, and I promise they are organizing it and squirreling it all away. If Obama becomes the nominee, it will all come out. They will then use the truth to totally nuke Obama.
They will say they aren’t Swiftboating, because Swiftboating means using a lie to smear someone, and what they are saying is the truth.
Further, I predict that somehow they’ll try to attribute much of the information to HRC, to see if they can so smear her that her opportunities are diminished for the future.
Lyn This is overtly illegal activity in a voting place. Bare-faced. How can we send this along to Fox News and everywhere?
If Obama steals the nomination, you can be certain the Republicans already have this information in their files and will use it to their fullest advantage.
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If Obama becomes the Presidential Nominee, Hillary Clinton will still get my vote - I will WRITE HER IN. This is the only way I have of making my voter statement to the DNC. I cannot in good conscience vote Republican/McCain!! But I will support all the other Democrats running and if McCain does win the election, at least we can handicap him with a Democratic Congress. Shame on the DNC for putting our party in this position!
My state will go Republican ( Texas )….Clinton could if the nominee bring it back in the fold….If Obama is the nominee I’ll write in Clinton….
Hammond is not a county; it is a city within Lake County that lies on the Illinois border. That Clinton won a city that is only 15 minutes from Obama’s Rezko mansion reveals he cannot carry white urban ethnics and Latinos.
This is one of the dumbest posts I have seen since . . . well at least Uppity’s post yesterday. Obama won primaries and caucuses in Minnesota, Iowa, Colorado, Wyoming, and Idaho. None of these states has a sizeable Black population, therefore, he must have won Whites and Hispanics. So how in the hell is the fact that he lost a single city 15 minutes from his house MORE IMPORTANT than the fact that he won entire states that are three or four hours flight time away?
Another thing: Pilsen is a Mexican American neighborhood on the north side of Chicago, so it is farther from his house than Hammond. How is the fact that he lost Hammond less important than the fact that he won Pilsen? Do you realize how dumb a conclusion you just made based on the distance from his house?
B-Rob,
You are an idiot: Pilsen is located on 18th Street, which is on the South side, not the North side of Chicago. Pilsen is also largely integrated with UIC students, Latinos and white college educated gentrifiers. This is a demographic very different from the one in Hammond, Indiana, which Clinton won. And by the way, Clinton won Mayor Daley’s Bridgeport, or the 13th Ward of Chicago, which is just five minutes from Obama’s Rezko mansion. Those voters are also white ethnics and Latinos, and they rejected the politician all of them know is corrupt.
I am right, and you, of course, are wrong.
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Why can’t this primary race go to the convention, isn’t that what its for?
The convention is not always supposed to be some Kumbayah party or feel good celebration, right? The convention sould be the place to really hash out all the pros and cons of each candidate, without undue bias of the MSM and other interference, and also allow some of the hijacking of caucuses and other unfair tactics by BO to come more to light.
The argument of who is the better GE candidate would also be vigorously discussed and also allow for MI and FL to be seated and counted fairly. This would additionally give a chance for ‘pledged’ delegates to reconsider their position for either candidate.
I think also that when the convention eventually rallies around one candidate, the losing side would at least feel they had their full say in the process and would be more likely to support the other side.
If Dean and the DNC is so worried about not having enough time to fight the Repubs after the convention, why didn’t they schedule in July? Also, do they really think that McCain is that strong of a candidate, especially against Hillary? I mean, he’s acting like he’s got a case of PTSD from 2004, get over it and grow up.
Going to the convention would also mean a real test of BO’s stamina, his ability to go the distance. Is he a workhorse or a showhorse? If you are already complaining now you’ve been campaigning for over 15 months, how are you going to handle 48 months as POTUS? I’m beginning to think that this is Hillary’s strategy, that she believes that absolutely she is the best candidate, she will take her case all the way to the convention.
Which I personally think would be a brilliant strategy, it gives her so many opportunities as I outlined above to make her case. When she wins in November, nobody is going to be that mad or the party won’t be broken, how ridiculous and childish to think otherwise.
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LET’S GO, GO, GO HILLARY!
HERE’S THE LINK TO OUR CANDLES WITH PRAYERS TO GIVE HILLARY THE STRENGTH OF COURAGE, WISDOM AND COMPASSION:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=...
GOD BLESS HILLARY AND HER VILLAGE! GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Guys go visit the states page on
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/oregon/
and look for the various events that are lined up. Please see if you can help anywhere…
West Virginia Primary - Vote Hillary
Who do you predict will win the West Virginia Democratic Presidential Primary?
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2366
Go Hillary!!
WE CAN TAKE W VA 80% TO 20%!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAVE BLOGGED THAT I THINK WE CAN WIN 80% to 20% HERE!!!! THAT IS WHY BO IS PANICKED AND WANTS US OUT NOW!!!!!!!
A survey 2 months ago had 35% undecideds in w va and since then 5% went to bo and 13% to Hillary! THERE ARE STILL 17% UNDECIDEDS AND IF WE GET THOSE THAT WOULD ADD TO HER 56% SHE HAS ON THE CURRENT POLLS AND MAKE IT CLOSE TO 80%
I MEAN THIS FOLKS!!!
WE NEED TO REMIND W VIRGINIANS THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS AND VOTE AND THAT HILLARY IS STILL FIGHTING FOR THEM!!
W/ BILL AND HILLARY SATURATING THE STATE THIS WEEK I THINK A BIG GIGANTIC WIN WILL SHUT UP THE MEDIA AND THE SD’S !!!!
yea!!! A W. Va. win, and how exactly do you get to the magic #?(your caps key seems to be stuck,..just thought you should know)
Here goes the Victimology 101 all over again…
…Sigh…
Dems, until you realize it’s not about “stealing” elections but the issues at hand, you’ll be chasing your tails long after the election is over.
2000 is history.
2004 is old news.
Today it’s 2008, and whining about who stoled 20 votes here and whereever takes resources from where it’s needed — gaining more voters TO ACTUALLY vote!
Priorities!
ChrisXP….Exposing Corruption and Voter Fraud is called ETHICAL PRACTICE….It is the Lawful Responsibility of the Citizenry…..
PLEASE…STOP….YOUR…..WHINING….AND….PREACHING….CYNICISM….
It is getting Old…..
That becomes a crutch for 4+ years of whining that goes nowhere. Chicken Littles aren’t listened to for what reason again?
Want to know why things don’t get done? It’s because resource, precious resources, are wasted on whining about the past — like VICTIMS.
Throw away the crutches. Start walking, your legs aren’t broken afterall.
They are whining about stolen votes in Texas. But did they actually file a challenge? NO! It is so much easier, a la Bob Dornan, to allege that the victor stole something than to actually provide evidence that they did. So you see them flapping their gums in here, floating conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory, but never proving a god damned thing. Delusion is the one state Hill DEFINATELY will win.
BROB…WILL YOU PLEASE FIND YOUR ENGLISH MANUAL IF YOU INSIST ON BORING US WITH YOUR DRIVEL….THEY HAVE SPARES DOWN THE STREET AT THE CALL CENTER IN GAZA….
good 1 ‘working’,..you caught him with a typo!! Man I guess that erases all my doubts( lies,and distortions: Bosnia ,N.Ireland,Macedonia, Annie Oakley, etc)!! Contrast the rational tenor over at HuffPo, to the shrill, obscenity ladened rantings here, and you’ll be able to understand why so many former Hillary supporters have abandoned her, and the likes of you.
CNN shows Texas “Caucus” as 41% reporting.
Who needs to challenge when there’s less than 50% reporting? Wonder what the hold-up might be? Any guesses? Reality based people don’t need to guess. It’s OBVIOUS on its face.
Unfortunately for you and yours, there’s plenty fraud and electioneering to keep Team Obama mired in sludge for some time. Stay tuned.
Kevin and B-Rob ; Delusion is a land for trolls, so go off and dig for roots,grubworms and the occasional Amanita you prize so much.
AMEN AMEN AMEN PRAISE THE LORD STAND TO MY FEET IN WILD ENTHUSIASTIC AGREEMENT!
Wow great post and many great comments. It is like therapy to me to read this… because it releases what I am feeling!
Thank you…..
I am a vote for McCain person if Obama is on the ticket ….. I can not support that man and his wife. He is a marketing product that is stealing the nomination and laughing all the way to the White House laughing at how gullible Americans are.
We should welcome the riots in the streets …. it would be far better that what woul happen with him in the White House.
I refuse to just stay home…..Brazille would rather we stay home and not vote because that is a vote for Obama!!!!! So if you want Obama in the White House, then stay home if the vote is Obama vs McCain.
If you don’t want him in the White House… vote for McCain!
We can without stand 4 years of McCain better than 4 or 8 or Obama!
And it ain’t over yet… our girl is still out there working it!
Maybe Rezko will be found guilty by then! Or they will buy his way out.
If he is guilty…. Obama will get him out as President.
We are suppose to trust this man’s judgement in the White House….OMG
“And, listening to him last night, in his most recent attempt to appear patriotic, he mentioned how meaningful it was to see his father’s casket draped in the American flag. Well, that is a lie. His father died in Kenya. He was in a car crash, as a result of his drunk driving. He was buried in Africa. And Obama didn’t attended the funeral. And his father was not draped in an American flag, in Kenya. To me, he just revealed more of what a fraud he is.”
Seriously??
Does anyone have this on tape? He’s always rewriting his past.
Well, tell bama to keep playing that funky music…
heh.
Bitch when you don’t get it how you’re being gamed, isn’t it?
He didn’t say his father, moron, he said his GRANDFATHER who fought in WW II! Idiots!
Well, I am not the moron. you might want to listen to him yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9-1JmTQFoc
He said father. 3:04
Of course he said “father” instead of “grandfather,” Sarah.
The whole country heard him.
B-Rob is the moron.
Um who’s the idiot now? But hey, we all know Bambi just misspoke. Bush does it all the time, too. Obama, the George W. Bush of the left.
AND BARRY QUEEEEN OF SNOTS…HAS A PLAN TO SAVE THE GREAT LAKES OF OREGON…..lol
Sara, very impressive. It sounded like he mis-spoke on purpose, to me. There was a little pause, possibly he was about to catch his mistake but decided to go ahead and say Father anyway? He is so full of himself.
yes and how many news cycles did Hillary continue with her sniper fantasy (blatant lie)?
Quitting is UNAMERICAN! Dropping out before the race is decided is UNAMERICAN!
Let her finish what she started!
No matter what happens, she’s already done a tremendous amount to help.
Every negative Obama makes, he’s trying to prove a negative, he bolsters the people fighting him, throwing his own organization into chaos, particularly if he’s being poked, or baited, deliberately.
Some would say his methods, Rove’s methods, are harmful to US security, we can see it already in the election of Bush, and look what happened. We ended up in a war we cannot, um, win.
Is that truth?
Yes. So any attempt to spin it feeds those who understand Rove’s weak attempts to game, using divide and conquer, and “chaos,” BECAUSE HE IS TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE, DESPITE “OWNING” THE PRESS, SWIFTBOATING, ET AL.
This is why the pursuit of truth, and justice has laways resulted in advanced civilzations.
And rove, and Cheney, and Obama simlply cannot udnerstand the abstract, whereas any civilan scientist probably can…
Obama utters a falsehood about Clinton, and Clinton refuses the bait. In doing so, over a period of time, and given controlled conditions, those baiting Obama can slowly gain control of him, as he continually treis to prove negatives through the use of his methods, whether the story of his youth, or the portrayl of the Clinton’s as racists, and he can be baited, and controlled, his chaos fed, the LIES, until his system collapses, adn he is rendered inert.
Spin is the attempt to prove a negative, get it?
And that’s what Brazille, and Dean and Rove are trying to do, those brilliant strategists. (LOLOLOL)
So are projections, and every attempt tp prove a negative proves the abilty of this assertion. There is no way around it, every time they falsely game, or lie, they prove the assertion.
NO way around it, once applied, they’re simply a bee, to be poked, to provide honey, that nourishes the nation, eventually.
Kind of like for every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Aby action, any unecessary violation of the 4th amendment, anything, feeds those working on behalf of the American people, fortifys them.
Therefore, Bush and Cheney can be kinda poked, and they ALWAYS TAKE THE BAIT, which is what you want.
You don’t . you’d rahter have a Clinton, but the boys wanna rebel. This is why prior to the doofus twofus, the US practiced restraint, and thrived. It WAS scientific.
And they simply DO NOT understand this.
It’s very general, but if you understand the applications, it’s pretty easy to see.
You say snow?
Is that true?
No, it’s not, therefore you’re trying to prove a negative.
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEELOLOLOLOLOLO
And before you foam, are you trying to prove a negative?
So this would be bait, right?
But it’s not, it’s truth, and you can’t argue it, or debate, right?
Labelling someone a racist when they’re not, as those morons at Obama.com are doing, is an attempt to prove a negative.
Speaking of elections maybe is isn’t over..Does anyone know what the OCTOBER SURPRISE is? Hannity is hot on this subject….I have racked my brain and all I can come up with is that is the month when REV Wrights book and book tour begin. I once long ago listened to Don Imus. (Sorry) He being the most famous drug addict I know often said most addicted people have a “come to Jesus moment” when they are into addiction and I think that is why Barry went to see the Rev and the Rev was his Savior so to speak People go for God to sober up … ..that is why they were so tight and that is what will be revealed in the Rev’s book. I bet it was worse than we thought. I bet someone knows something from the publisher. I bet nobody can reveal it .I bet it can only be revealed in the book because of a contract or something legal. but by then it will be to late for Hillary. Does anyone have an idea on this “surprise”??????? This is something the the Washington Post knows about also….and I wish I knew what it was all about too.
all the talk since may 7 about obama’s great victory and his certain coronation as the democratic nominee is nothing more than very loud, very extensive, pre-emptive p.r.
how truly precarious obama’s lead over clinton is,
is indicated by the numbers below
and by his campaign managers’ decision to announce an obama “victory” on may 31
and by efforts by the obama team to preempt any challlneges clinto might make on florida, michigan, or the texas caucuses
as “extra-legal”.
from http://www.diversityj.com
2008 democratic primary election results (updated may 7, 2008)
total popular vote with florida and michigan counted in:
obama 16.401 million
clinton 16.313 million
difference ~90,000 votes
obama’s lead as a percent of toyal votes cast:
0.28% (that’s less than 1%)
total poular vote with florida and michigan omitted:
obama 15.824 million
clinton 15.113 million
obama’s lead as a percent of total votes cast:
2.26%
the obama team and the corporate and web media who support them are trying to paint an extremely close race, where obama’s entire lead is a function of his being the favorite son of black democrats,
into a resounding, inevitiable victory.
more smoke and mirrors from the obama team.
You win on delegates, not popular vote. Just as in football, you win on points, not yards. Your numbers, therefore, are meaningless . . . ESPECIALLY since you add two states, Michigan and Florida, that do not count toward the delegate total. That is like not only claiming a losing football team is better than the champion because they gained more yards, but also including yards gained in pre-season games!
nope, not long term, until your behavior reflects truth, which is a reflection of your psychology, you lose.
Look at this country, under the republicans for the last forty years, all those victories, yet still, the empire declined.
Honestly, troll boi, how DO you think the USSR was brought down?
How do you think this lil propaganda spew you burped up was defeated?
You’re not bright, and I’m not impressed.
But troll on, please.
Gore won the popular vote but lost the presidency. Why? Because he did not win the electoral vote. THAT is what really mattered.
Incidentally, nothing is your post (which just BARELY passes for English) addresses the central fact that I laid out: Hillary is too far behind in delegated (pledged or super) to win. That is the reality that all the parsing in the world won’t change. To catch up after her 14 straight blowout losses to Obama, she would now have to win 70% of the remaining delegates. She did not do that in New York, so what makes you think she could do it anywhere else?
Face facts: its over. Now all we need to know is what her exit angle will be. Try for the No. 2 seat? No . . . her negatives far outweigh her positives. Supreme Court? No, not competent for that job. Maybe she could run for governor of New York if Paterson steps aside. Then she might get a chance to actually run something competently, since she didn’t do that with her health care plan or her presidential campaign.
Because King Georges Brother fixed it…America was in denial…
Since you’re a fan of the math, B-Rob, you may want to factor in the other two states BHO wishes to ignore, plus those Supers who will be the ones *really* deciding the nominee. They can, and have, changed their support in the past. Fact is, only when the fat lady is on the DNC convention stage will the pudding be done. Until then, HRC should stay in until she herself wishes to step down.
Considering the spped in time of the Wright scandal, there is still time - pre-convention - for more tar pits to seep to the surface on Obama’s character. More of the Wright kind of baggage.
No #2 slot for Hillary? That would forever crush the #1 spot. And I can just see Bill’s reaction, ushered into the WH back rooms reserved for the slightly less important. Nope… don’t see a BHO/HRC ticket on the horizon. This is not a couple content with the backseat.
Personally I think Hill will be patient. If she does not get the nod, she need only stand by graciously and let the events run their course. Obama stands a great chance of losing, most especially if HRC supporters go to McCain. And believe you me, he will not be the media/DNC darling in 2012.
But Hillary? She’ll be around. With credibility still intact.
Yeah, and just like when you lose in the Super Bowl, you still lose.
Sara, that is a great article, and I love the letter! I had not seen the Hammond video, so thanks a lot for that. I’ve had to start a “Vote Stealing” file for Obama, and have been adding a lot to that lately, because we need to keep track and send this info OUT! I really think Sean Hannity may be interested in that kind of story. But people need to get it to superdelegates and the DNC, over and over and over.
As for the MSM: They don’t love Obama, they love their large paychecks! Seriously, if it meant they would keep getting paid outrageous sums, they would throw him under the bus, too. They love “living la vida loca”! And “la vida boca,” I might add :-J.
You hit it on the head telling Donna that she and her ilk will be putting McCranky in the White House. But that’s not going to happen, because of Indiana and North Carolina (and the fact that BO is totally unfit for office). The outcome of these these two races has Hillary’s supporters ROARING for BO’s head, because it showed, again, that she can win and that he’s only where he is because of cheating and bias.
I put this country ahead of most everything except God and family, and I will not stand idly by while a poseur tries to steal it away from me. I will fight, and I know everyone here will, too. Thanks so much, Sara, for the ammunition!
A 14,000 vote win in Indiana combined with a 240,000 vote loss in North Carolina “showed, again, that she can win”? W.t.f. are you smoking?
He should have won North Carolina by double that, and the whole nation watched as Mayor Clay stole votes in Gary. Think, man, think!
WTF are you smoking, B-Rob. The past two elections have the entire state going GOP 56% to 43%. Rather a moot point for your case, don’t you think?
Amican ragazza in Italia;
Molto ben affermato. Sono d’accordo con te.
B-Bob
only a fool would compare competition for the presidency of the united states with a sports contest.
yes there is a simple analogy to be made there - by a simpleton.
but the point of winnning the presidency is to serve the nation and its people competently.
the point of winning a sports contest is to win that contest and advance in some set of “standings”.
i have seen the mindset you exemplify before. it is rampant on sports web sites an on sports talk radio.
but applied to the americn presidency it sounds less like good, fun, competitive debate,
and more like the arrogant foolishness of a cocky, ignorant, young male.
There is one other way in which politics (often referred to as a “horserace”) is similar to sports: at the end of the day, you have to look at the scoreboard to see who won. Scoreboard says . . . Obama!
I used the sports analogy because it is simple. You want a cooking analogy? OK. Counting which candidate has more votes when delegates are the selection criteria is akin to claiming you should win the bake off because you used more expensive ingredients . . . er, no. The bake off is won on taste, not the cost of your vanilla.
Hillary is simply not deserving of the nomination because (a) she did not beat the other opponent. We can stop right there, but I can also add in the fact that (b) Obama won more states, (c) raised more money, and (d) selected a better campaign staff [all three are key for winning the general], not to mention that (e) Obama is not considered untrustworthy by 63% of the electorate! These reasons, all rolled together, explain why Obama won. Deal with reality and move on!
AXELROD STOLD THE NOMINATION..
Axelrod Stold the nomination..
This has been the Most disgusting abuse of Our Election Process in American History..
Its just a shoot out between The Left Winger and Right Winger top Guns…a “Pissing Contest”..
We don’t count…We are the “MASS’S”..
Manipulated by propoganda and Ideology..
It was AxelROBBED….
Hope there is an Investigation…
American Girl..
I appreciate your well prepared Article, Intelligent and Mature…and an excellent
observation…and I appreciate Sarahs excellent letter too…
American Elections have become a PR sham..nothing but Propoganda, and manipulation by Promoters, handlers, Bundlers and Media managers…First it was the manipulations of the Bush Regime and Karl Rove, combined with his Internet Skills, the second time around the DEMS gave the election away by putting up
JOHN KERRY, the worst candidate possible..Why…Beause he turned war protestor..??
Now…We Have the far LEFT Backlash…and Oabmas Regime out of CHICAGO…with all His radical..Revolutionary ..Terrorist Connections and
Obvious Racist Package, All BUNDLED up and being sold by that nice Jewish kid from new york, david Axelrod, who went to Columbia, like Obama then moved to chicago to become a Social Activist ..who, Like William Ayers, became attracted to Barack Obama, and started using his marketing skills to help Obama make adavances in Politics..
Reality is, That Senator Obamas whole Campaign has been Overtly racial, first with all the Publicity thatMinister Wright got over and over, and Obamas association with him and Black Liberation Theology, to Connections With Luis Farrakahn and the Nation of Islam, all of which HELPED Obamas campaign with Blacks all across America…It was a strategy to get
Messages and propoganda like Wrights and Farrakahn out..which exactly what happened..It was Most Likely Planned Strategy…These are militant Political and Social Activists, Senator Obama is well connected to them back to his early Childhood and his Father..
It is a Plan to Steal the Nomination, It is Strategic and deliberate and radical..as well as racial..
The One think The Obama camp has been hiding is
that there is not just a African Amrican Black theology Connection, but also a very well organized Muslim Connection, and a Jewish Connection, through Axelrod and another Obama Staffer named Sam Graham Felsen…who is on the offical Obama Web Site ..
Sam went to Russia his sophmore year at harvard and came back witrh a Communist party flag, which came back and put on the wall where he stayed at Harvard…
One can see how these Groups are interacting in Chicago..and forming coalitions..
Elections in America are now a Sham..Obama Lies about his Background and Connections…He is a Smooth talker, a Bamboozler, The People around Him recognized his talent as a Bull Shitter..and Pckaged
him.. What You see, is NOT what you are going to Get..
They couldn’t do it on the Streets with BOMBS…so they are going toi do it from the INSIDER…with alot of BULLSHIT..
AXELROD STOLD THE NOMINATION…
First it Was KARL ROVE…NOW ITS KARL MARX..
Thanks Patrick. :O)
(btw - I am Sara)
AXELROD STOLD THE ELECTION…
I think the level of discourse here is really wrapped up in this comment. Can this be its own diary?
16 million voters say you are a fool!
They Vote for Obama because He is One of Them..or because of the “Cheer Line” Issues he steal from other Politicians and candidates…
The Proofs in the Pudding..Which is Made in Chicago…Look at the REAL OBAMA..
How can you support a man like Obama who has a Terrorist like Bill Ayers for a friend and Supporter…
Your empty rhetoric didn’t seem to work to well in NC or Indiana, did it?
Let’s stay focused here, skippy. See, this is very interesting: you discount the fact that 16 million voters have gone to the polls and pulled to Obama lever. They were not forced and they had choices. They CH0SE not to select Hillary, probably for the same reasons Bob Reich, Joe Andrew, and Bill Richardson chose not to back her: there was a better choice to be made.
You can come up with whatever excuse for losing that you want. So far I have heard “Jewish money”, “Arab money”, “beating up old ladies in Texas”, “gaming the caucuses by sending college students”, “caucuses are too late in the day”, “caucuses are too early in the morning”, “Black people voting in blocks”, “latte drinkers voting for him”, “sexism”, “the race card”. If you people had worked half as hard at fundraising as you have at excuse making, maybe this would be a real competition. But it’s not. It’s over because the better organized, more disciplined candidate with more enthusiastic support won.
He has all the apperances of a Manchurian candidate with His Backgtround and you know it…He is winning because of all the reasons you listed and because most Americans are too naive and trusting..look how Bush Pushed evberyones Buttons over patriotism and WMDS…
Obama is a Phony…He associated with people who HATE the United Stated Government and Rich White People, or any other so called “WHITE OPPRESSORS”…all His Life..
He has made a few Lying alibi’s for his His Radical friends…But the Truth is..If he associated that Long with them..and thier Marxist Anti American Activism..and Theology..
HE IS ONE OF THEM..He just doesn’t have the Guts to give a Clenched Fist Salute at his Rallys..
The Phony..
well put RB
Thank You..I think this is the Most Important aspect of what is Happening to Voting and Elections in America..We Americansd have little real control of the whole PROCESS…
We are sick and tired of hearing about “delegates”………when delegates are at the convention they are NOT OBLIGATED to vote for whom they have pledged. Governor Rendell said this on the Charlie Rose program.
What about the undemocratic caucus system where no official entity controls the voting and caucus votes are not even considered legal? Or that winning a caucus in a “red state” doesn’t mean much in the general election?
Or that Howard Dean said on NPR the DNC wanted South Carolina to vote before Florida because African Americans (11% of the population) should carry more weight in deciding the nominee.
Or the absolutely crazy caucus AND primary voting states where even though Hillary won the Texas and Washington primary the illegal caucus system decided who the delegates were pledged to and she received fewer delegates than Obama!!
When the Florida republican state legislature voted to hold the state primary BEFORE Howard’s chosen S.C. date, Howard offered no solution to when Florida dem. voters would be able to vote. Non-partisn people said they could raise funds to hold a primary election, he refused their offer.
It is clear that Howard didn’t give damn whether or not Floridian votes would count and he does not want Hillary to use these votes/delegates in her total vote/delegate count.
Hillary did not disobey the rules and advertise in Florida, Obama did, DNC rules penalty for this…any delegates earned will not be seated however Dean never speaks of this.
Are we democrats going to submit to the wishes of a biased inept DNC leadership who believe they can force whatever their wishes are on those of us who support the party with donations, working on the ground, writing letters, etc.??
Hillary doesn’t whine about these inequities, like the energizer bunny she smiles and keeps working. Have democrats EVER had such an engaging, intelligent, experienced, attractive candidate for a nominee??
Hillary’s campaign autopsy:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1738331,00.html
my favorite paragraph:
Lesson number one: if you are going to play the game, at least know the rules!
And another one:
You can’t pick and chose which battles you will fight hard in; otherwise, you get overrun as you mail it in on battles you think are “not your thing.” This is exactly what Hill did and another big reason why she lost.
B-Rob
I admire your efforts in trying to bring reality to this site.
But as a professor told me, don’t try to use reason with zealots and drunks. It doesn’t work.
This blogsite could be considered a worrisome group for their contentiousness, but fortunately they are limited to the same dozen or so fervent bloggers, saying the same-old, same-old over again, and expecting a different result.
Clearly, they are people who have nothing else, including a job and a life.
I do, so good-bye
Do You Really Know wherwe all of Obams Money is coming from..Speaking of ROB..
How about ROBBING the Nomination…
There is no more question about where Obama’s money came from than there is regarding Hillary’s money. They both raised money the same ways: fundraisers, mailings, internet. He was just much better at it than Hillary. But superiority in accomplishing a goal does NOT mean anyone cheated; is just means he was better executing than she was!
Lets see what comes out of the Rezko trial…I think the FBI is taking a hard look at Illinois and Chicago..also there is still the PATRIOT ACT to Consider..even if they did away with the Committee on Un~American Activitys..
I hear Obama MAY have links to the Trilateral Commission, the Counsel on Foreign Relations, the Buildeburgers, and the Freemasons, too.
Do you people ever get tired of this b.s.?
Here’s a hint: if you can’t identify anything Obama did for Tony Rezko (and so far no one has identified anything), you will have a hard time “nailing” him on anything. WHEN YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT OBAMA DID THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ILLEGAL, GET BACK WITH ME!
Exhibit number one for the stupid white troll:
What about auchi, bob, certainly there is enough there to warrant suspicion?
Get it?
And bob thinks he has a bite, and goes into spin, trying to prove a false negative, “creating chaos”…
And everybody laughs and laughs and laughs at the lil thing with a sock in his pants, beacuse he’s been baited into proving a false negative…
keep proving THAT false negative to throw YOUR organization into chaos
DUH!
And he doesn’t get it, at all…
Blagovitch is headed for impeachment…he will take everyone down…
[...] Seriously [...]
Dont you wish you were capable of understanding physics, what’ it like ot be so on the outside, gamed relentless, thinking this Lil fart of a propaganda burp would succeed?
Now, was that last comment an angered response, or bait to throw YOU further into chaos?
Troll boi don’t know, so fucking stupid might as well be working for Obama, or Kos, or Rove
(truth)
now spin that truth, prove that negative, slave…
Troll boy doesnt get it, and he takes the bait!
I Love dancers..so TOGETHER..
You do understand spinning the facts the way Obama and Rove do is indicative of an enemy propaganda action against the US, the CIA used to guard against it during the cold war.
So, why are Rove or Axelrod different?
They’re not, they’re using propaganda to interfere with an American election, weakening our government.
It elected Bush, Bush started a war for the wrong reasons, against everything the US knew, and the country is in the dumper, fer real.
Why Do we have national security? To guard against tolls like rove, and axelrod, and You, but really, you’re the best plunger I’ve ever ever had, wannabe.
So, why is it OK when you, the low IQ “I have no idea what Simon means when Simon says my trying to prove a negative strengthens my enemy, we control the press,” tool boy , engages?
Now keep engaging, as war theory is beyond you lil troll wallpaper head.
But oh man, the google bomb impresses, you are one smart gay man.
here, let me, “jeff”
“Are you fer real?”
Ok, prove it!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
as with labeling someone a racist, if it is not true, you are attempting to prove a false negative, throwing your own organization into chaos, and decline, it’s how to destroy a government from within, utilizing their methods of propaganda.
but alinsky was cute, I mean, you guys tried, you really really did…
troll away, white boy…
“I don’t get it”
I know, just keep trolling..
no, its not reverse psychology, you’re trying to prove a false negative, and it helps those manipulating you.
The more you troll, the more you lose…
Wow! Your two personalities are arguing! How festive!
No, you’re trying to prove a negative, because it’s not true, your attempt to slur, and swift boat.
See>?
Mine was a counter propagada move, and you came back with another negative, because I TOLD THE TRUTH about YOU.
You really dont get it, do ya?
See why they never recruited you, moron?
BTW, Bush and Cheney’s administration is a mess, truth.
So, um, it appears they were harmed by their own methods, according to what I said.
True?
Or spin it, white boy…
So, if with the swift boat you get Kerry, say, (which might have been a good thing) you have inextricably weakened your organization, your troll swift boaters, and that’s the goal.
By desperately trying to prove a negative about Kerry, they weakened themselves, and the US government, unfortunately.
And how does that action fit into the larger war, the war on terror?
Don’t ask this guy, wow, he only spanks and slurps…light up that defense, checking the oil, here.
I am sure you are collecting many converts here. You have such a good way about you.
I’m sorry, uppity, if you were speaking to me, this trolling though, this pushing of Obama onto us, by both sides is disgusting.
They dont care about the country, they only care about a trophy, and then they get the job, and they, like Bush, screw up.
I figure it’s one way to help pull it apart, but we all know how the trolls are, and really, they won’t stop until they understand they can’t win.
People have tried to reason with them, if it had worked, they’d have stopped.
And the last one:
I just saw a graph that Clinton has 17 field offices in the remaining primary states. Obama? 44.
So there it is: poor understanding of the rules, poor strategy, and poor execution. Three traits you definately DON’T want in a president displayed right there in the campaign.
Boob Robbie -
Oblamer gets his bundled cash from Tony “The Fixer” Rezko who got BO involved in politics and budlers who McCain wouldn’t touch.
Big damn deal that his ill gotten funds have bought a bunch of offices. He bought a bunch of superdelegates with millions of dollars to, but he’s still just a damn crook. Like you’re still just an idiot.
BO wanted a mansion, so he let his people freeze.
I don’t want someone worse than McCain as President.
BO voted to limit access to the courts for injured parties. Only an attorney who hates people and desires to take away all of their rights would vote for such an abhorrent law.
BO is not to be trusted. He is funded by the evildoers who continue to make money off of the suffering and misery of others, such as those who lost thier homes in the mortgage crisis.
Obama has always voted for the war. Every time he could.
Grow up or shut up!
“I’m not against ALL wars”.
–Barky Obama
We know, Barky. As a matter of fact, you are not against reversing the direction of our middle eastern fire, are you? All that middle eastern money and those middle eastern names that keep cropping up…..
HA HA HA HA HA!
There are 4,000 American families that surely wish Obama was calling the shots in 2003 instead of Bush and his enabler, Hillary. Hey Hill . . . GREAT VOTE, there! What next? you going to join Bush in his quest to start ANOTHER mid-east war, this time in Iran? Idiots . . . .
B-Rob,
What has Obama DONE for the troops since he has been in the US Senate? Has he brought about any of that “CHANGE” we keep hearing about? Has he fought for our tired Vets? How about the soldiers serving on their 5th and 6th tour?
Bottom line…keep your “Obama is the anti-war candidate” bullshit streaming. Riddle me this…
THEN WHY DOES HE SAY THAT IMPEACHMENT IS NOT WARRANTED?
Huh? The man who started this illegal and immoral war (which Obama gives lip-service that he’s against) shouldn’t be held accountable? We don’t even need any hearings on the subject, eh? War criminals in OUR White House and Little Lord Obama comes down OPPOSITE the authentic anti-war protesters and decides that it’s ok to give them a pass. Hmmmmm…
Time for a new talking point, B-Rob. Perhaps a new line of work…
Field offices don’t vote.
Yeh…Like the Military Can’t get Involved in Politics…unless they are ordered to be Backdrops for the CIC…a few hundred times so he can promote His war and make it look like the Whole US,Military supports him…
The Official Amrican Bird should be the TURKEY aftrall..Like Ben Franklin suggested..
the Politicians Get all the MEAT and GRAVY..and the American people are the Wish Bone..Pulled One Way by the “RNC”…and the Other way by the “DNC” whoever thwy are..
No, they are just used to ORGANIZE the voters to actually vote for you! That, my friend, is why she has lost this thing. She is a poor manager and a poor steward of money! Luckily, she showed this now and NOT in the general. So we at least have a chnce to run a candidate whose team knows the friggin delegate selection rules!
BWAHAHAHAHA! Now I KNOW you’re fucking nuts…or nothing but a “gamer” like your buddy.
Actually, one would say she has minimized waste, given all that money, and Obama is DROWNING.
We see it differently, which is the truth?
Oh, yeah, you.
Never mind.
Drowing in what? Delegates and cash? Uh, YEAH! I guess you folks never heard that it is a GOOD thing to have extra delegates and extra cash!
thank you so much for articulating what I have felt for so long….sitting here actually now contemplating a vote for McCain.
The only comfort in this thought of voting for McCain is the old adage about republicans: “at least they stay bought”. With a democratic congress and a more aware electorate I believe we can stop the most egregious moves on his part, and, at least we will absolutely know where he is coming from.
Oh Good! Another person who Sees the danger that is Barack Obama.
Well done Sara! If this 48 state plan plays out, I am going to seriously enjoy helping that pig lose. The goal here is “Worse showing than McGovern”. After all,if we are going to have to put up with these people who can’t make it in their own party trying to hijack us every decade or so, we need to make an even bigger statement for America than the names on that T-shirt. It is time to marginalize them for a far longer period.
In industry there’s a saying. If you anger 1 customer, you anger 350 people who ultimately hear the story. I am on a a regional email list with nearly 800 women on it. That’s 800×350 pissed off people who would rather swallow a broom sideways than vote for Barack Obama. But that’s just me alone. Remember, folks, when you reach one person, you are reaching their families and their friends….and the families and friends of their friends….and…
One person can do a lot. Consider the butterfly affect everyone.
One consistent thing about McCain is his inconsistency. I think he, with a democratic congress might turn out better than people think. He’s more like a chameleon than a maverick. I think a war hero beats a lefty radical. I can’t believe I am even saying that but Obama seems exactly like Bush to me only the left version.. he’s immature and arrogant, both very bad traits in a Prez. Have you noticed how he has already taken a vacation and a few days off?
WIMP!
Yeh…Thats the Theory that AXELROBBER..Obama and Minister Wright have been using…Thats why Wright went International for his Ripple Effect..kind of like a New Bin Laden taped message to the Faithful..
Well, Those Creeps are not BUTTERFLYS…
They are FLAMING MOTHS ..They Hide in the Closet and eat away the Clothing..Its Time to Expose them to the LIGHT..
Right, but it’s all international, including counter “Wright.”
And the Obamabots, and even the cheney bots, cant grasp this, it’s too much for their little heads.
All I have to say is stealing or whatever If Mr. Obama is on the ticket I will be a part of those 50% Hillary supporters who run like hell… I’d rather see/have no problem seeing McCain for 4 years then Obama! Obama to me is another Carter and when Carter ran in 1980, I voted Reagan!
I’ve been a life long Democrat that not only votes but USE TO give money and hold fundraisers for the DNC. Not this year! I keep getting calls too from the DNC and I told them this last time to save their dime and not call again!
I’ve been saying this for a long time but this year it’s even more meaningful… it’s time for a NEW (3rd) Party for mainstream centrist voters. I really think it would attract not only a good fraction of the Democratic base, the Independent base, but also some of the Republican base too! the DNC has been run INTO THE GROUND by Dean, Brazile, Pelosi, et al …
Go, Sara! I couldn’t have said it better myself.
And, TODAY (Thursday, 5/8), Donna Brazile introduced herself on CNN as “A neutral superdelegate”.
I wonder how much longer the Democratic Party can survive this kind of politics.
There are Sharks ..There is Chum..Someone Play the Theme Music from Jaws…
You have said my points, I can never, never vote for him. I’ll go the other way.
Never mind the voting for McCain. Go to HillaryClinton.com and contribute! Even $5.00 is good. She’s going to win. Keepup the fight!
I find it amazing that the DNC and DNC favored so-called new Democrats semm to think we old-line unwanted Democrats are bluffing when we say we will never vote for Obama. They seem to think we will fall in line, kiss and make up, and vote for Obama.
Wrong!
I have never been more serious or determined in my life. I have been a voting Dem. for 46 years and wiil for the first time shun the party. However, this current, so-called, Democratic Party is no longer my party anyway. They have shunned me. They have denigrated my value as a Democrat and a voter, pushed me aside for their new preferred demographic, and treated my candidate like hell.
I am through with the Democratic party. Whether the Braziles, etc. know it or not, for my referred to 46 years the Democratic party has needed me far more than I needed it.
Maybe we “old folks” and working folks need a new party. I am disgusted, and finished, with the Democratic party of Howard Dean, Brazile, Shrum, Axelrod, MoveOn, etc. They are all losers trying to defeat the only proven winners the Democratic party have!
The only winners we have are the Clintons. If necessary, I would fully support an independent run for Sen. Clinton.
Sen. Clinton, just as President Clinton did, would govern for all Americans, which is what I desire in a President.
I will not vote for Obama under any circumstances; and should he be “coronated”, I will do everything I can to defeat him.
He is the wrong choice for Democrats, and the wrong choice for this country. He and his backers would be every bit as bad as Bush and his, merely replacing the extreme far-right with the extreme far-left.
The only extremism I embrace is an extreme desire to end sexism now and forever; and to finally give a woman a chance to prove that a woman’s perspective regarding governance of this country is quite likely the answer to our problems that is now needed. That would be the ultimate change.
Thank you MC, that was fantastic. Like you I am through with the party; they don’t want me, well, wish granted, I’m gone.
THANK YOU, SARAH. YOU HAVE CAPTURED MY POSITION BEAUTIFULLY. I HOPE WE ALL MAINTAIN OUR RESOLVE. MS. BRAZILE HAS BEEN PISSING ME OFF FOR WEEKS!AFTER THIS SHAM OF A PRIMARY, AND THE ABSOLUTELY SICKENING MEDIA BIAS AGAINST SENATOR CLINTON, I AM JOINING THE APATHY PARTY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE ELECTION SEASON. NO WAY, NO HOW, WILL I VOTE FOR BO. AND SINCE THEY APPARENTLY DON’T NEED US ANYWAY…