Comments on: Math that matters most. (With update from Mr. X, update II from Grey, Update III Hominid Views Monte Carlo) http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:27:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Hillary’s Voice » From today’s postings 5/13/08 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-242709 Hillary’s Voice » From today’s postings 5/13/08 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:13:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-242709 [...] Math that matters most… (by V at No Quarter) Many people are asking. “Why isn’t Hillary leaving the race?” Or, “Isn’t the math prohibitive?” Well, the answer is given quite simply by Karl Rove. Now Karl may be a lot of things, but he is not stupid and he knows politics and elections. Unlike Hillary and her surrogates in the Democratic party, he does not have to say, “either candidate can win the general but Hillary is stronger.” He can tell the unvarnished version which is that Hillary wins against McCain and Barack loses. So it’s simple, a vote for Barack in the primary is tantamount to a vote for McCain in the general. Click through for another study that confirms Rove’s analysis. [...] [...] Math that matters most… (by V at No Quarter) Many people are asking. “Why isn’t Hillary leaving the race?” Or, “Isn’t the math prohibitive?” Well, the answer is given quite simply by Karl Rove. Now Karl may be a lot of things, but he is not stupid and he knows politics and elections. Unlike Hillary and her surrogates in the Democratic party, he does not have to say, “either candidate can win the general but Hillary is stronger.” He can tell the unvarnished version which is that Hillary wins against McCain and Barack loses. So it’s simple, a vote for Barack in the primary is tantamount to a vote for McCain in the general. Click through for another study that confirms Rove’s analysis. [...]

]]> By: Make Them Accountable / Media & Politics http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-242577 Make Them Accountable / Media & Politics Tue, 13 May 2008 17:05:42 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-242577 [...] Math that matters most… (by V at No Quarter) Many people are asking. “Why isn’t Hillary leaving the race?” Or, “Isn’t the math prohibitive?” Well, the answer is given quite simply by Karl Rove. Now Karl may be a lot of things, but he is not stupid and he knows politics and elections. Unlike Hillary and her surrogates in the Democratic party, he does not have to say, “either candidate can win the general but Hillary is stronger.” He can tell the unvarnished version which is that Hillary wins against McCain and Barack loses. So it’s simple, a vote for Barack in the primary is tantamount to a vote for McCain in the general. Click through for another study that confirms Rove’s analysis. [...] [...] Math that matters most… (by V at No Quarter) Many people are asking. “Why isn’t Hillary leaving the race?” Or, “Isn’t the math prohibitive?” Well, the answer is given quite simply by Karl Rove. Now Karl may be a lot of things, but he is not stupid and he knows politics and elections. Unlike Hillary and her surrogates in the Democratic party, he does not have to say, “either candidate can win the general but Hillary is stronger.” He can tell the unvarnished version which is that Hillary wins against McCain and Barack loses. So it’s simple, a vote for Barack in the primary is tantamount to a vote for McCain in the general. Click through for another study that confirms Rove’s analysis. [...]

]]> By: CHRIS http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-241669 CHRIS Tue, 13 May 2008 01:12:47 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-241669 The Monte Carlo simulations are just great. I thought of running some, but i am too lazy to gather the data and do it. Moreover, 10,000 simulations give you enough data points and that is showed in solid SEs and a nice 95% CI. Really great job. The Monte Carlo simulations are just great. I thought of running some, but i am too lazy to gather the data and do it. Moreover, 10,000 simulations give you enough data points and that is showed in solid SEs and a nice 95% CI. Really great job.

]]> By: pm317 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240413 pm317 Mon, 12 May 2008 13:50:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240413 I have a feeling if Hillary was on the GoP side, they would have run her with pride and respect. What a disappointment this dem party has been. I have a feeling if Hillary was on the GoP side, they would have run her with pride and respect. What a disappointment this dem party has been.

]]> By: Uppity http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240408 Uppity Mon, 12 May 2008 13:47:17 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240408 Yes it is too bad that MSNBC and CNN are busy blowing Barry. But we expect that to change soon and then we can "rely" on them again to baste Obama handily for the roast. Yes it is too bad that MSNBC and CNN are busy blowing Barry. But we expect that to change soon and then we can “rely” on them again to baste Obama handily for the roast.

]]> By: Uppity http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240407 Uppity Mon, 12 May 2008 13:45:08 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240407 scrap that, I read it wrong. Thought it was Obama-Clinton. I need to stop posting in the morning. scrap that, I read it wrong. Thought it was Obama-Clinton. I need to stop posting in the morning.

]]> By: beebop http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240406 beebop Mon, 12 May 2008 13:45:07 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240406 No. The "new" "Democrats" are doing a spectacular job with no assistance from anyone! Let's give them all of the credit, shall we? No. The “new” “Democrats” are doing a spectacular job with no assistance from anyone! Let’s give them all of the credit, shall we?

]]> By: Uppity http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240405 Uppity Mon, 12 May 2008 13:43:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240405 To be honest with you, that could offend many women. You see, plenty of professional women understand the concept of a superior woman being the second-in-command to a mediocre man, holding him up so that he might take the credit. The Obama camp just plain doesn't understand women, and doesn't care to. There is no way I would vote to put him in charge of my country even if my mother were his VP choice. To be honest with you, that could offend many women. You see, plenty of professional women understand the concept of a superior woman being the second-in-command to a mediocre man, holding him up so that he might take the credit. The Obama camp just plain doesn’t understand women, and doesn’t care to. There is no way I would vote to put him in charge of my country even if my mother were his VP choice.

]]> By: pm317 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240402 pm317 Mon, 12 May 2008 13:41:20 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240402 Yes, my husband and I were joking about it last night. Especially with McCain's campaign pointing out the <em>fatal attractions</em> statement from Obama's surrogates are unbecoming of his lofty rhetoric. They are of course, doing it for their purposes but the irony is that they are defending Clinton when all the cowards in the dem party are staying silent. Lofty rhetoric, my foot. It is gutter politics at its worst. Yes, my husband and I were joking about it last night. Especially with McCain’s campaign pointing out the fatal attractions statement from Obama’s surrogates are unbecoming of his lofty rhetoric. They are of course, doing it for their purposes but the irony is that they are defending Clinton when all the cowards in the dem party are staying silent. Lofty rhetoric, my foot. It is gutter politics at its worst.

]]> By: pm317 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240383 pm317 Mon, 12 May 2008 13:31:16 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240383 <blockquote>If you browse the comments to this post, Barack’s trolls seem completely offended and oh-so defensive when presented with the data. Perhaps this is because they don’t have any of their data to show. In fact, I’m still trying to find ONE data based analysis that shows Barack winning or doing better than Hillary in the general election matchup against John McCain. Here’s your chance Obamabots! C’mon, show me the data…</blockquote> This is key. Where are their numbers? There are none. Even as we speak he is MIA in WV and KY both Bill Clinton carried both times and Hillary is poised to win in big numbers. So take those states off his list for November. It is double whammy for Obama; under normal circumstances, the dem nominee has to work hard for the swing states. In this guy's case, it is even worse because he does not have a big chunk of the dem base itself. Bye, bye swing states and the win.

If you browse the comments to this post, Barack’s trolls seem completely offended and oh-so defensive when presented with the data. Perhaps this is because they don’t have any of their data to show. In fact, I’m still trying to find ONE data based analysis that shows Barack winning or doing better than Hillary in the general election matchup against John McCain. Here’s your chance Obamabots! C’mon, show me the data…

This is key. Where are their numbers? There are none. Even as we speak he is MIA in WV and KY both Bill Clinton carried both times and Hillary is poised to win in big numbers. So take those states off his list for November. It is double whammy for Obama; under normal circumstances, the dem nominee has to work hard for the swing states. In this guy’s case, it is even worse because he does not have a big chunk of the dem base itself. Bye, bye swing states and the win.

]]> By: beebop http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240368 beebop Mon, 12 May 2008 13:19:59 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240368 Considering what happens to people's cars with Hillar Clinton bumper stickers, you might want to be careful with that ... Sugar nearly got into trouble with a yahoo cop! Considering what happens to people’s cars with Hillar Clinton bumper stickers, you might want to be careful with that … Sugar nearly got into trouble with a yahoo cop!

]]> By: beebop http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240366 beebop Mon, 12 May 2008 13:17:31 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240366 Bo can't spell GI Bill ... push off .... Bo can’t spell GI Bill … push off ….

]]> By: hammeringspammers http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240360 hammeringspammers Mon, 12 May 2008 13:14:09 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240360 John McCain does not support the GI Bill. I find that appalling. John McCain does not support the GI Bill.

I find that appalling.

]]> By: dora ratquila http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240145 dora ratquila Mon, 12 May 2008 08:32:20 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-240145 Can someone print "B.O.W.L. Big Time!" bumper stickers please? B.O.W.L. stands for "Barack Obama Will Lose" Can someone print “B.O.W.L. Big Time!” bumper stickers please?

B.O.W.L. stands for “Barack Obama Will Lose”

]]> By: Mr X http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-239076 Mr X Sun, 11 May 2008 19:42:32 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-239076 Your analysis agrees with mine. However, I do have a few differences. I have doubts with Hillary getting CO or TN just yet. Possible? Sure. And for Obama, NH is out of reach. For Hillary, she can carry KY though. The kicker is this. Obama MUST carry 3 of these 4 WI, MI, OH & PA. So he could hold both OH & PA and still lose. In fact, he could hold all 4 and still risk losing. If McCain can grab these: CO, NM & NH, he can go for either OR or IA for the win and get exactly 270. Unlikely? Maybe, but McCain would be crazy not to try. Your analysis agrees with mine. However, I do have a few differences. I have doubts with Hillary getting CO or TN just yet. Possible? Sure. And for Obama, NH is out of reach. For Hillary, she can carry KY though.

The kicker is this. Obama MUST carry 3 of these 4 WI, MI, OH & PA. So he could hold both OH & PA and still lose. In fact, he could hold all 4 and still risk losing. If McCain can grab these: CO, NM & NH, he can go for either OR or IA for the win and get exactly 270. Unlikely? Maybe, but McCain would be crazy not to try.

]]> By: Gary McGowan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238400 Gary McGowan Sun, 11 May 2008 09:44:14 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238400 And send it to the dozen members of Congress who just wrote the letter (see report at top.) Well done! And send it to the dozen members of Congress who just wrote the letter (see report at top.)

Well done!

]]> By: Gary McGowan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238396 Gary McGowan Sun, 11 May 2008 09:41:33 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238396 This really has to be put in flash video format and put up at youtube and elsewhere! Maybe put as powerpoint and send to all the superdelegates. Put up at Youtube, approve comments and alert all the good people to go there asap and rate it up, etc. "Make an account if you have to," Very powerful argument. This really has to be put in flash video format and put up at youtube and elsewhere! Maybe put as powerpoint and send to all the superdelegates.

Put up at Youtube, approve comments and alert all the good people to go there asap and rate it up, etc. “Make an account if you have to,”

Very powerful argument.

]]> By: so saddened http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238311 so saddened Sun, 11 May 2008 07:31:21 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238311 because you don't drink koolaid, of course. just ask brazile and dean. because you don’t drink koolaid, of course. just ask brazile and dean.

]]> By: so saddened http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238308 so saddened Sun, 11 May 2008 07:24:01 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238308 yheitman, agree. love savagepolitics. and will be on the mccain train the minute obama's nominated, if we have the misfortune of that happening. yheitman, agree. love savagepolitics. and will be on the mccain train the minute obama’s nominated, if we have the misfortune of that happening.

]]> By: so saddened http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238306 so saddened Sun, 11 May 2008 07:20:47 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/09/math-that-matters-most/#comment-238306 music just can't seem to get it through his head that we know what we want and it's not obama. if obama's nominated, we will indeed move on - but not in the way he wants. music, please come up with something more original than he won, so join him. it's boring and not working. music just can’t seem to get it through his head that we know what we want and it’s not obama. if obama’s nominated, we will indeed move on - but not in the way he wants.

music, please come up with something more original than he won, so join him. it’s boring and not working.

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