Obama’s Subversion of the Democratic Party
By SusanUnPC on May 11, 2008 at 11:29 AM in Barack Obama, DNC, Democrats, Hillary Clinton
It is all laid out here, at Digby’s blog, in “The Obama Party.” This is not written by Digby who, I sense, would have a different take on this, but by a contributor named dday.
Qualifier: I could give a rat’s ass about the Democratic party per se, but I am horrified that this party could allow itself to be taken over by what is essentially a CULT of “The One.” And to the exclusion of the MILLIONS of us who have no desire to be part of a cult. Especially having witnessed and been subjected to the brute force of his followers — who represent the coarsening of American society — I want no part of it.
Please read through the entire article … try to ignore dday’s obvious excitement about this, and look at the complete restructuring involved, which includes the banishment of people like Lanny Davis (who has become my hero for his passionate, brainy support for Hillary) and everyone who has anything to do with the Clintons — including you and me.
… He’s building a new Democratic infrastructure, regimenting it under his brand, and enlisting new technologies and more sophisticated voter contacting techniques to turn it from a normal GOTV effort into a lasting movement. The short-term goal is to increase voter turnout by such a degree that Republicans will wither in November, not just from a swamp of cash but a flood of numbers. The long-term goal is to subvert the traditional structures of the Democratic Party since the early 1990s, subvert the nascent structures that the progressive movement has been building since the late 1990s, and build a parallel structure, under his brand, that will become the new power center in American politics.
This is tremendous news. [ARE YOU F--KING NUTS?!?]However, despite his calls that change always occurs from the bottom up, these structures are very much being created and controlled from the top down. …
Here is what some longtime Dems have to say about this:
Mr. O wants to do away with ALL independent progressive groups that can not march in lockstep with his “movement”. This means that groups ranging from Media Matters to Women’s Voices Women’s Votes to EMILY’s List to the Sierra Club to Democratic Party orgs themselves are threatened by Mr. O telling his donors NOT to donate to anything other than “official Barack Obama” outfits.
Mr. O is setting up parallel party infrastructure to not only compete with the current Democratic Party, but ultimately OVERTAKE IT. He’s not just looking for control, but he wants to weed out EVERYONE who still has ties to Bill & Hillary Clinton. So say bye-bye to everyone
currently working in some capacity on Hillary’s campaign… We’re not welcome any more! …
I can’t believe this comes to mind, but this is what this takeover reminds me of: In 1969, the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) had a big convention in Chicago (ahem) in which those who advocated the violent overthrow of the U.S. government took over — and threw out — those who persisted in believing in the Martin Luther King legacy of non-violent protest. The non-violent groups were no longer welcome. They were cast-offs. It was made VERY clear that they were not to be trusted by the new violent leaders in charge.
Another person writes in an e-mail:
People, we should get this out. The Kos Boyz may be celebrating the “death of the Clintons” now, but they don’t know that they could very well be next on the chopping block themselves if they won’t fully assimilate into “The Obama Party”. This is what I feared would happen all along… If we don’t stop this madness ASAP, we can say goodbye to the Democratic Party we know and love.
From now on, we’d have to choose between the GOP and “The Obama Party”. Scary, isn’t it?
Then a person, whose opinion I particularly pay attention to, writes:
Darn right it’s scary and it’s among the reasons why, after voting a straight democratic ticket since 1972, I won’t vote for Obama. It basically means re-aligning the entire party away from the people and values that I’ve supported for decades.
Susan HERE: I’ve never been burdened by having voted straight Democrat because I’ve never seen the point in supporting a single party all the time, and prefer — ideally — voting for the best candidate. But, overall, my choices have usually been for the Democratic candidate. But NOW? With this CULT apparatus taking over the party? No, thank you.
More reactions:
This is sick. This is just like facism, which was one thing when it was just his cultist, but now he’s intent on shutting the rest of us down. Yikes.
And one more:
Against my own financial interest and in the interest of what I believed was the greater good, I’ve supported the Democratic Party (since 1960) and given it my all even when it gave me lousy candidates. But I’m done. I will not be Obotomized.
IF I HAVE TO VOTE FOR JOHN McCAIN TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING, I WILL DO IT. Frankly, I think he is not only more sane — his anger management issues aside — but I also think he is more qualified to be president.
MY THOUGHTS about all of this are embryonic. I’m still in such shock after reading this piece, that I need time to think it through.
And I need YOUR feedback on what this portends.
ONE MORE E-MAIL:
. But how can we get more folks to see this danger fast approaching? I mean, Mr. O wants to obliterate the whole Democratic Party, kill off all of us “Clintonites”, and centralize all power to himself. This should be frightening to more self-proclaimed “progressives”… So why are they now so docile? Why are they ready to sell their souls to this guy?
Or shall we all just buy Mr. O’s version of Mao’s Little Red Book and march in lockstep?
on sale for only $16.95.
also comes with a special spatula.)
Recreate68 is modeled after all those radicals who descended upon the convention way back when. It was wonderful. Why, everybody got to see it on TV and couldn’t WAIT to get to the polls and vote Republican out of sheer fear of what kind of scum wants to lord over America. That year gave us Richard Nixon. I can’t wait till they do it again. If these radicals learn one thing from history, it’s how to repeat their mistakes exactly. I would be disappointed if they didn’t do it all again. Marvelous. Love it.
You know, I think this is mostly like what the Republicans did (fairly successfully, unfortunately) to their party, with the extreme right gaining control. In my mind, this all comes full circle. Rigid and unable to see facts that are clear as day to those who have not been totally bamboozled. (A cartoon for Pat in here somewhere I think!)
WE ARE POSTING UPPITY’s piece on Recreate68 in a few minutes.
Stay tuned.
From his hijacking of the web, we see Obama’s totalitarian way of doing business.
I can only hope and pray that Hillary runs as an Independent to stop this. She may not win but she could cook Obama’s goose.
What’ll they do if she wins on an independent ticket? It is not out of the question. If you run the numbers her real support is a cool 75% at least.
Petition to urge Hillary to run as an independant
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/148/petition-to-urge-hillary-clinton-to-run-as-an-independate
I don’t think she would run as an Independent, but if she did would it not just hand Obama a win by splitting the anti-Obama vote (and that is what my vote is — I don’t like McCain, I just think he’s better than Obama)?
For right now, we’ve just got to keep supporting her and fighting alongside her to try to keep Obama from getting the nomination.
Could she still do that? Run as an Independent? I’ve been wanting her to run as an Independent for well over 2 months. The Democratic insiders (Clyburn, Brazile, Dean, etc.) have completely hogtied Hillary from truly being able to compete in this race while letting him get away with flipping her the bird in Raleigh and Michele saying, “I know one thing - if you can’t take care of your own house you SURE don’t need to be running the White House.” Yeah - nothing negative coming from that campaign.
Exactly! I was one of the cast-offs then and evidently I’m to be one of the cast-offs now. This shit keeps up, I gonna get a complex!
Yeah, too bad the Democratic Convention isn’t going to be in Chicago. Jimmy Hoffa Jr. could emulate his late and dearly departed Dad (who is swimming somewhere with the fishes chained to a block of concrete) and call out the “pigs” to beat the Obamaites heads in.
Then the whole country would vote for McCain and we’d have 20 more years of Republican rule.
The whole thing would have this incredible symmetry!
My Mother voted republican for that very reason. She recoiled from what she saw on TV.
Ehemmm……..IT IS FASCISM…..BERLIN 1933…..
Why do you think Mr Transparency won’t release his Columia University records?
God only knows.
Uppity, his majors were political science and African American studies there! His exposing his studies exposes him and his beliefs which he is not letting anyone see!
it would be interesting to see some of his old papers for AA studies.
Obama’s book — Dreams of My Father says it all. He hates white people. He is obsessed with his hatred of white people.
I was one year behind him at CU and I have no doubt why he wont….because it would show that his grades were not stellar and that he got into CU AND harvard only because of affirmative action.
getting into Columbia at the time as a transfer student wasnt too hard - if your original grades were good - but Id bet they didnt hold.
He has admitted he checked off the AA box on his law school aplication - though now his minions say he didnt…
they sure as heck dont want this to become an issue…
remember - Michelle said again last week that “they” told her that her test scores werent high enough to get into Princeton - and that “they” told her Harvard might be too hard….
And of course - one of Obamas smart moves has been to say that affirmative action should move away from being race based to being “class” based.
How convenient! AFTER
OOPS!
After the 2 of them got the great advantages that come with having degrees fromsuch elite schools.
Let me tell ya…the hardest thing about the ivy colleges is getting in…once in - theyre not much different….but for the rest of your life when asked - people go wow - when you answer toheir question of where did ya go -
its a joke and a great advantage.
This couple are such frauds…
In 2000, I worked with the political publication that reported what Gore and Bush’s SATs were….MAN - would I luv to the see the Obamas - Id bet they were both hundreds of points below the schools cut off.
Hell - have you looked at Michelles thesis? Its frigging unreadable….
Seymour: Did you know Barack at Columbia? He has been strangely silent about his time there. One would think it must have been a very formative period in his life, no?
I am unaware of any friends, roommates, classmates, or professors who have spoken out about knowing him at Columbia. I wonder why.
Yes. I think that is a very important question. Where ARE all his former associates? Where are the people who knew him at school? Where are the people who worked with him while he was a “community organizer” (which I read meant that he worked for a church registering voters after grad school), or when he was in the Illinois Senate? Why won’t these people come forward and vouch for him? Who IS this guy, anyway? He came out of nowhere and suddenly had a big machine and millions of dollars. You will never convince me that all his money is coming off the internet.
derridog, some of the questions about where his money came from are answered at
This is an old article at thecityedition.com that has been updated.
Seymour Glass, I have read it. it is a compilation of what she learned under Rev. Wrights tutalge.
Mimi, Obama has said his first night in NY was spent on the street…This is unlikely and my theory is that he spent his first few days at Ayers’ crib…
For months now I have been looking for info on his CU days…zip, nada. Can you recall when the past of a candidate was scrubbed? Why?
GW impounded all the paper trial of his time as the Texas gov, but there was a trail.
Was Obama at Columbia when he met a Pakistani classmate and traveled with him/her to Pakistan on “vacation”? I was in college in the 1980’s and don’t remember Islamabad as a popular spring break destination
His parents having attended Harvard, he was simply another legacy admit, like Bush.
WHO paid for it?
I would look at Auchi, Wright, even NOI,maybe..
Look to those who sent Rezko to see him, too.
Don’t you think he got into Harvard as a legacy, just like Bush got into Yale? Both their daddies were graduates of their respective ivy league schools. Plus Obama had the added plus of being a minority. He may have had grades similar to Bush…poor. Do we know?
OMG- “class” based. Does anybody else out there remember - before this insane evil candidacy we had a ‘middle class” PERIOD.
Everyone take a deep breath.
Hillary is going to win. Hillary knows it. Bill knows it. Many of us know it. We are going to watch Obama self-destruct over the next few months.
Don’t forget to exhale.
I wish I were that optimistic. UNLESS we can derail him, he will be the nominee.
You tell ME WHY you are so confident.
Susan it almost seems like Bill and Hillary are alone in trying to stop him. Do you think it would be better if she ran as an Independent? Either way I am so done with the Democratic Party. What has Bloomberg and his Unity Party to do with all this? I notice Obama meets with Bloomberg every month to kiss his ring.
One other question–Do you think that the media ultimately wants Obama to take it all or are they still firmly on the Republican side?
It’s like Bill’s impeachment, the COUNTRY is behind Clinton, this is a manufactured scenario.
And enough, fuck them, they can’t solve the war.
Well, we can’t be confident because, even if she wins everything from now till the end of the primaries, the Media and the party have made it clear that they will vote for Obama anyway.
However,as long as she wants to fight, I’m going to send her money. That’s the one thing she can’t fight without. There’s always a chance that Obama will implode. He has a lot of baggage. So, please, even if it’s only $5.00, send her some cash!
Let’s just say she’s still in play if he gets nailed over yet another problem nobody has revealed yet.
Rezko’s not going to sing. he is going to need a president to pardon him. Another good reason to vote for McCain.
He will derail himself. BO’s Big Mo is over. It’s time to revert to the mean.
Mr. O and Hillary are both intelligent. However, while the Clintons are both emotionally evolved, the Obamas are underdeveloped.
Since the Obamas (both Barack and Michelle) don’t have the skill set necessary to deal with stress, they resort to bullying tactics which surfaces when they don’t get their way. For Mr. O, it comes across as being sexist and racist. The racism became more obvious after watching his mentor, the Rev. Wright.
While Mr. O CHOSE to remove his name from the Michigan ballot, four candidates CHOSE to remain on the Michigan ballot. Hillary offered to do a re-vote. James Carville went on TV and stated Hillary would finance one-half of the re-vote. Yet, Obama refused.
Mr. O thinks he (male) can simply ignore Hillary (woman) in Michigan and ultimately ignore the will of the people of Michigan. This is blatant bullying by Obama.
People in Michigan and Florida are fully cognizant of Mr. O’s bullying, as they are the ones being disenfranchised.
Lady Hillary, the damsel in distress, keeps waving the “Michigan” hanky every once in a while, but only slightly. At least until the Michigan delegates are finally resolved.
Should Mr. O declare victory on May 20th, it will backfire on him. It goes back to the old rule of thumb, NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING. People will revolt (whether they are delegates or citizens). Only omnipotent people act like that. Mr. O is blinded by his lust for power and his hostility towards anything Clinton (or white people, or both).
Mr. O’s momentum is waning. Elections in WV and KY will speak loudly for Hillary. Subliminal racial messages will come from those elections. Specifically, it will show Mr. O’s inability to connect with the white voter.
When VA and GA voted, Mr. O carried the typical white person. By the time NC voted, the typical white person wised up.
The drama from Mr. O’s “hope” and “change” is winding down.
Because Mr. O has shot his wad, there is a huge gap of time remaining between stimulus (today) and response (convention). That gap is going to have to be filled with something.
Let’s see here…
Rev. Otis Moss
Bill Ayers
Michelle’s racism
Rezko jury verdict
Michigan and Florida
Mr. O’s IL senate record
More investigative reporting on Mr. O
The fact that Mr. O is not electable
Mr. O’s personality style is self-destructive. There is a race to the finish line. Which will happen first? Will people finally catch onto Mr. O’s anti-social personality? Or, will Mr. O’s passive-aggressive hostility get the best of him. I believe the latter. Mr. O has a self-destruct button, and Hillary pushed it when she refused to leave the race upon Mr. O’s numerous demands.
When all of this becomes more and more evident over the next few months, EVERY DELEGATE (super or not) can cast their vote for either candidate at the convention.
By then, Mr. O, The Movie, will be over and people will be back to reality. People (read: delegates) will be so repulsed by Mr. O, and they will see that Hillary is the best choice to move us forward.
Obama is for Hope and Change as much as Bush was a Uniter and not a Divider. They both became proficient on their Orwellian double-speak before running for office.
Nope. Mr. O is going to derail himself. Hillary will be elected. Patience is a virtue. In the mean time, accept things as they are. Find peace and harmony.
I hope you are right.
My first corporate mentor taught me the most valuable thing I have ever learned. Timing. Timing is everything. You sit and you wait. However long it takes, the moment will occur. And then you get the SOB.
This is why Time is not barry’s friend.
Susan, he can certainly still be derailed.
I have many sites and links concerning his campaign and supporters that have received no attention. Cannot post them without first having someone mirror them, I do not know how. Afraid they will take them down.
If acceptable, I would be willing to e-mail you and Larry re such. The info needs more than just posting in comments. Blog articles could be done re much of it.
I am not much of a blog commenter, mostly a reader. However, I have pretty good knack for finding obscure information.
There are stil unasked and unanswered questions like the one posed below:
“Will Iva Carruthers be the next Wright for Obama? as far as I know she is still on his campaign committee.
“Wright isn’t the only controversial member of Obama’s church. Dr. Iva Carruthers, who describes herself as an active member of the church, is an outspoken advocate of reparations for blacks and was a participant in N’COBRA’s 2004 conference.
Carruthers was identified, along with Wright, as a member of Obama’s African American Religious Leadership Committee. Wright has since been dropped from the group. But Carruthers is sometimes referred to as a spokesman for Wright and works with him closely.
Indeed, Carruthers may be even more controversial, especially on the issue of reparations. She wrote The Church and Reparations―An African American Perspective, which was reportedly “distributed by her denomination” at the 2001 U.N. World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance. The conference was considered so extreme that the U.S. delegation, led by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, walked out.”
She was also Wright’s representive at the following meeting in 2004.
Ndaba: ?A great sitting-down?
By Dora Muhammad
Updated Aug 9, 2003, 08:32 pm
CHICAGO (FinalCall.com) - There?s a certain moment in time, that if leaders have the wisdom to see and seize it, they can make a historic turn in the lives of their people. Such a moment was the July 26 summit on reparations, the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan said as he opened the meeting held at the Salaam Restaurant.
Nearly 50 activists from across the country answered the call to discuss operational unity and a consolidation of efforts, in order to enhance and fortify the movement for reparations for Black people?s suffering in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
“The principle of reparations is the one great principle that we all can unite around,” Min. Farrakhan stated in his opening remarks. “Religion has not united us. Politics has not united us. Our economic needs have not united us. Our Blackness has not united us.
“But in the principle of reparations, all of us have a stake in it and see the value of it and know that if we unite today on the basis of reparations, then our children and our children?s children can be the beneficiaries of what happens today and from this day forward.”
Gathered together in the Ashanti practice of the principle of consensus, the “big sitting-down”?or ndaba, as the South African Nguni call it?was the fruition of the vision of Dr. Conrad Worrill, the national chairman of the National Black United Front (NBUF).
The church, the courts, the community
Representing Trinity Church and its pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Dr. Iva Carruthers spoke of equipping ministers beyond worship, and enabling them to effectively network, empower people and impact policy. Within the next year, she intends on working with over 400 preachers, with a focus on connecting theology, technology and transnational public advocacy. She termed it: “intentional communication.”
Much of the consolidated case is based on human rights precedents of crimes against humanity, but another strong component of the legal argument is consumer protection law. This will enable the litigation team to challenge the companies on the basis of their lying to the public in denials that they have no connection to the slavery, because the team has gained possession of documents that show the companies? involvement.
Since the consolidated lawsuits are set for a Chicago courthouse, Attorney Lionel Jean Baptiste, who is representing a Chicago plaintiff, has been thrust to the forefront of the legal team. However, he cautioned the summit that the legal battle cannot stand alone in the fight for reparations.
“We understand that we are in an arena that has been set up by the slave master,” he said, “We will not win in that arena, unless we step it up in the streets, unless the political fight is brought to bear.”
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/ …ticle_940.shtml
The Call is Louis Farrakhan’s newsletter.
Thank you (I always forget that, LOL)
I pray you are correct!
I just posted this on another thread. It also relates to your comments. The MSM is in the tank with Obama. As we’re all aware, they’ve been trying to push Hillary out of the race for months and trying to bury her candidacy. This week, they’ve loudly proclaimed it dead and buried. The vitrol coming from these people is amazing.
Here’s an interesting article in Media Matters that says it’s unprecedented for the media to call a campaign over when it’s this close.
SO NOW THE PRESS TELLS CANDIDATES WHEN IT’S TIME TO QUIT?
Here’s another first: the press’s unique push to get a competitive White House hopeful to drop out of the race. It’s unprecedented.
Looking back through modern U.S. campaigns, there’s simply no media model for so many members of the press to try to drive a competitive candidate from the field while the primary season is still unfolding.
“Clinton is being held to a different standard than virtually any other candidate in history,” wrote Steven Stark in the Boston Phoenix. “When Clinton is simply doing what everyone else has always done, she’s constantly attacked as an obsessed and crazed egomaniac, bent on self-aggrandizement at the expense of her party.”
Indeed, even after Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary convincingly last week, she awoke the next morning to read an angry New York Times editorial, “beseeching her to get the hell out of the race,” as Howard Kurtz put it at washingtonpost.com. On the Times opinion page that day same, Maureen Dowd actually turned to Dr. Seuss rhymes to make her point: “The time is now. Just go. … I don’t care how.”
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200804300001
It is Clinton’s responsibility to stay in, as a leader, remember, this is the same group that brought us to Iraq, using the same methods.
I know it’s hard, and money can be an issue, but she sees it right, trust your judgement, Hillary…
Exactly, the same people who brought us the Iraq war are bringing us Obama. Why don’t the real progressives see that? Why is the mouthpiece for General Electric so pro-Obama? It is fascism.
You’re absolutely right. The question that bothers me is why they want her out so badly. This likely means that the corporations don’t want the Clintons because they know how the government runs and historically have put the brakes on corporate greed. But the other question is: do they want Obama because McCain can knock him out easily or do they want Obama because he’s their guy -they put him up to this because he’s in their pockets and they want to take over the Democratic Party and knock all the progressives out of it and leave us with only easily ignored third parties.
I think the latter.
Me thinks you got it. By Jove I think you definitely have it. One party. No such thing as partisan politics. Just one party…bought and paid for. Same party, different spelling. Fascism by any name is spelled the same.
Because they’re stinking idiots.
Both Obama and McCain are the candidates of big business, period, both cheat, using the press in this manner.
But neither man is qualified ot runt eh country, given what we’re facing, very real problems, the biggest threat to our country being the inability to reign in the wars, the costs to us politically militarily, and economically.
There are many ways to go about solving the problem, the greater point is the business community looking ot the short term ants their money to continue, so they’re putting in candidates who will do their bidding, BAD business decisions, but just because someone can manipulate doesn’t mean he’s smart. Not every military man, or Princeton graduate is bright, they believe in Strauss, not understanding why it can never work.
Clinton won’t play ball, I would think, or they feel she would investigate them for their crimes.
BUT, without intelligent governance, those business people lose all, as these wars are breaking the US like Afghanistan did Russia.
And a US failure is internationally catastrophic.
The only way for business to save itself is to clean up, and it can’t.
THEY Are THAT dumb.
All that we see on Wall Street, that’s what they bring to their political decisions too.
The good side, though, is their killing themselves, bringing about their own deaths by stupidity and greed.
Without cleaning up , they destroy themselves, if they clean up, we all win.
INVESTIGATE WHO IS BEHIND MSNBC, the main toxic waste dump on American. This propoganda is so staged and entrained, it’s about more than money. There is a deeper agenda here - underneath it all there is a powerful manipulative force - and it isn’t wimpy obama.
Barky has the party bosses and the DNC in his corner. Barring Rezko ratting him out he will get the nomination.
And Hillary and the mainstream Democrats will be told to either get on board or be thrown under the bus. Just like what Bush and Rove told fellow Republicans when they took over the GOP.
You mean the ones who haven’t already been thrown under the bus?
If the Democrats threaten me to get on board or else. I will leave the party and become a Republican–because outside of Hillary and my Congresswoman there is no Democrat I can stand anymore. Funny how the only people who have been decent to Hillary are Republican pundits.
I read an article which said that Bill and Hillary are staying in this race because they know something about Obama which would make him bad for this country. God bless them
And the delusion continues….
From your keyboard to God’s ear.
I try to believe, I want to believe, and I am afraid. Afraid for my granddaughters who will never know what it’s like to be free and equal citizens in a free and open society. Women forever as things to be used.
Ordinary people to be forever denied the health care they must have to live full and fulfilling lives.
War of somekind without end because it benefits this bank accounts of those that own our government.
And a dishonest and criminally negiligent media that counts on their 1st Amerndment “rights” without doing their 1st Amendment job of informing the people. (Don’t give me your damn silly opinon ala MODO the Dodo, I could care less. Just give me the damn facts and I’ll decide what I think and feel.
What is so funny is Obama’s claim to experience is his work as a community organizer in Chicago, home of Saul Alinsky, the organizer who the 1960’s SDS followed to 1968 and when it was rejected by the few, including Ayers and Dohrn, the result was the WU.
Here is Alinsky’s views of revolution in 1971, after the WU terrorists became so violent, sort of what is happening today!
“There’s another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families - more than seventy million people - whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don’t encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let’s not let it happen by default.
Obama’s tricks are not smart to people who can read and think!
One add on, the DCP which Obama worked as a community organizer in Chicago followed Saul Alinsky’s teaching! So has the Woods Foundation, the charity that paid for Obama to move and work in Chicago in 1985!
my, my that language sure reminds me of michelle and barfy’s speeches doesn’t it!
This will make it all the easier. Maybe even a little balloons and cake, to celebrate becoming an Independent again.
That is the fastest growing party, I have read. I can learn to like Lou Dobbs. He’s not always acting like he’s xenophobic. He’s way better than Tweety and Olberdouche.
AND, I don’t think BO stands a snowballs chance in (you know) of winning in NOV.
Dawnelle — I hope you’re right. I just hope the Media makes its usual right turn. But my question is who gave Obama 250 Mill. We have spoken of moneys coming from rich muslims. So whose side will the media be on in the GE.
Suddenly McCain makes no sense, almost like he is dogging it — I hope he isn’t going to take a dive for Obama.
Soros who started Move-on.org to help Bill Clinton fight Karl Rove, gave Obawalla (obama) 200 million dollars.
Why in the hell would he do that?
Was soros involved with Turkey?
He was convicted for some money crime, right?
Hell no, the Republicans would prop him up even if he were dead, like they did with Strom. Strom was dead for months and still voting. just kidding.
Anyways, they aren’t having Barack Obama. And McCain wants it. He got the bad shaft from Bush, if you recall.
Re above: Muslim money…….ended with GE. I know you meant General Election. However, GE is the world’s largest corporation. Got a feeling your comment had a double meaning (below surface).
Anybody, who leads and funds GE? What is GE’s agenda? Has the company been contributing to what/any campaign?
I guess the threat of primary challenges for all those who did not endorse Obama was not empty. And look at how Obama removed Alice Palmer from the ballot.
from k**, and THAT group?
Bwhahahahahahahaha.
Remember, we all supported K**, before, now we don’t.
He lost base too, and every day he looks loonier, and loonier, more isolated.
Who is K?
Where some in Obama see the Second Coming, others (more sober and grounded) see the second coming of Adolf Hitler.
I guess now I have a better understanding of words Samantha Power used in one of her notorious interviews:
“…He wants to move away from electocracy…”
This election season may be your ONLY opportunity to prevent this from happening, because, come January, it may be decided that franchise is a redundant and unnecessary luxury for Americans.
electocracy (rule by elections) reduces the role of citizens to a series of discrete choice
points, often shifting the actual moment of choice to the politician.
THIS post is why OBAMA is and will… WIN BACK OUR COUNTRY FOR - PEOPLE …NOT CORPORATISTS.
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I used to read this site daily and was proud of the sentiments of the strong, “patriotic” AMERICAN voices here.
No more. All I read lately on this blog - is no different than the racist, hate filled, pro-war retoric of the RADICAL NEO-CON controlled right who apparently put their support of ISRAEL and perpetual WAR over the true beliefs of …AMERICA.
Sad - that you have chosen this path.
Happy - that the majority of Americans - DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU.
How about those lakers, Aeon?
Half of the Democratic party sees it little one … when the Republican party demands the equal time that Hillary Clinton did not get the hard rain will be coming on Obama’s head.
Oh please. You mean to tell me you have no idea how many corporations are bundling money for Obama? Or that half of his top ten contributors are from wall street. Goldman Sachs? JP Morgan? Exelon? You know, that’s the company that has nuclear leaks and got barry to change his legislation so that they don’t have to report any leaks to those dirty masses who live near them? The CEO of CONEd, heir to Thomas Ayers (Bill’s dad), raised 200k for him in bundled money. He was registered as a lobbyist you know. He sits on the board of Exelon too. Look, have your hopey changey dream, but do not ever for a minute think Obama isn’t in corporate pockets. He gets money from lobbyists too. The only difference is he lies about it. Just sayin’.
Up —
Don’t confuse them with facts. It interferes with the hopey changey reception … now he has to move around the basement again, mess with his joystick and hop on each foot, log back onto the internal site and bathe himself in the bullshit before he can go on with his life. Shallow little pimpled fool.
I’d prefer it if he went to his Masturbatorium and left us alone.
Jerk-Off!!
COGNITIVE DISSONANCE — when does this activate in Obamabots?
Some of the Obamabots really believe that Obama isn’t tied to the massive International corporations.
With Obama’s ties to Chicago corruption — and Obama’s willingness to play the game — he isn’t going to suddenly change into the Savior. Corporations exist to make money — and that is why the corporations are betting heavily on Obama. They expect that he will NOT change the rules and that he will continue to make them wealthy.
Aeon — do you take ice with your Kool Aid or do you just drink it straight? I myself would gag on Obama’s Kool Aid because its made of bile.
Delurking once again, because the following statement is bollocks.
“I used to read this site daily and was proud of the sentiments of the strong, “patriotic” AMERICAN voices here.”
I’ve been reading this site since Larry set it up. I’ve seen new people come in, and oldsters move on, and unless this gentleperson has changed monikers, he/she is trying to mislead.
Uppity, I can’t remember. Did you include this one on your bingo card? If not, I’ve seen it repeatedly in the last month, and it really should be included. IT speaks to the ability of some people to distort the truth to try to present a position of legitimacy, to which, in truth, they have no claim.
Back to lurking.
Still trying to prove a negative, which they can’t grasp.
They have no method that works, simply because they can’t understand the dynamics.
More than the majority of Americans agree with us, you idiot: we are locked in a split Democratic Primary, and the Republicans despise Barack Hussein Obama. Also allow me to remind you that one spells rhetoric with an “h.” You are obviously not very bright, and I imagine you are one of those duped voters who cast a ballot against his or her economic interests.
Now take a hike.
Obama is beholding to Wall street, big oil, and big corporate players. he owes them big time.
Obama has fooled many people into thinking he doesn’t take PAC money
Rev Manning knows all about Obama. He says Obama not only was lovers with Wright but will nominate him as his vice president and Oprah as his Secretary of State. This is heavy stuff. Rev Manning is NOT a kook but I see him as the only person so far who can bring honor to the AA community.
Please Check him out. (he is passionate about saving the AA’s so be patient)If Bill knows something about Obama that is very bad for America, I wonder if Rev Manning and Bill are exchanging words because Rev Manning is saying the same thing.
The best You tubes of Rev Manning is where he is sitting in the chair and speaking to the net audience.
Lovers with Wright. Is that why Michelle is so bitter? Rev Manning says Obama walks like a pimp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxKpdxiXKgY&feature=related
By what metric do you calculate majority? If you compare pledged delegates (without FL. & MI.) and popular vote, the % of difference is very small. Neither candidate will achieve the majic number to guarantee an uncontested nomination before the convention. The SDs don’t count as pledged delegates. They are unpledged until the rounds of voting fails to produce a clear nominee with 2209 or 2025-depending on whether you count FL. & MI.
Well, it’s not going to work.
So you give them enough rope, and they die, just like their republican counterparts.
My goodness, so stupid, you’d almost think someone was trolling them to make decisions against their better interests.
I hope we get something, new, soon, this whole Obama melodrama is getting dull. Axelrod out of ideas? Can’t he steal some from someone creative, this time?
Can they do anything else, but self destruct , and try to run amateur psy ops, like a dumb Arab terrosit group?
Haters are SO dumb.
About Mr. O’s version of Mao’s Little Red Book. . liberalrapture site is one place I’ve seen this connection before . . . very insightful. . . and thanks for making the dem party takover plan so undeniably clear.
Feel on all of that the best we can do is organize response to MSM, which is Mr. O’s main propaganda outlet/disseminator of fraudulent misinformation. Remember when we used to have real news??? real journalists????
Bad way to start Mother’s Day, seeing sicko chris matthews on a Sun Am Special: HOW TO FOR OBAMA TO WIN OVER HILLARY SUPPORTERS! These people are way beyond flagrant and this is last of many MSM bs campaigns of the last week using PUBLIC AIR TIME AND AIR WAVES to create a manual of “what to do’s to get barry-boy out of the mess he has gotten himself into.”
In 90 seconds I could keep this on without throwing up, chris, with his patronizing smile was sharing how poor Hillary could really become a great senator if she just stays there.
WE SHOULD NOT STAND FOR THIS CONSTANT STREAM OF PROPAGANDA ANY MORE. The FCC grants these jerks free use of the air waves, in purported exchange, for free public service information. What do we get in 2007-2008? All free use of airwaves is given to bo for his stream of bs… unconsciounable misuse of airwaves against democratic process has gone on too long, too far. What can we do?
I’ve seen somewhere a formal FCC protest form for complaints of misuse. I will locate the form and turn it in at NQ this week.
1. In the meantime, we can and need to make personal protests. That’s pretty easy. Each network (CNN, MSNBC) has a section for reporting errors, and/or complaints email box, etc.
2. Please let’s flood them with error reports (which happen ad nauseum). Most of us know more accurate facts on these candidates and campaigns than they do.
3. How about some Mother’s Day complaints re Chris Mathews using MDay AM to hold a conference on how to manipulate American Mothers into supporting obama?!
In honor of your own Mother, please send a complaint letter to the networks today. We ought to start calling them what they are: Media Against Mothers (unless we can use them for something)
4. Any attorneys listening here? Think it’s reached a point that we have A GOOD CASE for a class action lawsuit. These are public air waves being used to lie about actual public opinion in order to fabricate and disseminate false public opinion! Who out there has idea of legal action we can take with FCC/MSM?
They’re so stupid, I laugh every time they open their mouths.
Nothing worse than wannabes, who can’t understand basic theory.
Wasn’t there a recent federal or SC decision that the networks can broadcast content even if it isn’t true? I think it may have been a case against Fox. Someone with legal expertise needs to factcheck this.
It’s a false fire, why bother?
I read all about this a few days ago and have been in shock ever since. If Obama’s allowed to restructure the Dem party in his image, then it will finally be the time for a viable third party in the US. I, like many many others, have been a lifelong Dem, loyal to the end. Well, it looks like the end is near, thanks to the “group think” and millions of blind followers of Obama. If they think they can do away with all things not Obama, they have another thing coming.
Oh Yeah, they’re going to get millions of voters to replace us. That means edging into the 50% or so of people who don’t vote. So getting them to register in a mall or outside a grocery store won’t translate into loyal voters, now will it? I’m telling you, the “Obama Movement” will be studied for years. Classic: charismatic leader, group think, blind loyalty from willingly blind followers bullying anyone who dares to go against “the one”. Sounds like a takeover to me. When the Repubs get their mitts into Obama, there will be little left to vote for. We must vote against this aberration of a movement.
ok, so they get some folks hanging around the local grocery store to register and put their x or their name depending. i am not being rude here as i used to teach and know that a large segment of the population is basically illerate. does obama and gang think that is what they’ll build their new party with i wonder. so the core democrats are then invited to leave. what do they have? why a group that they can’t rely on for votes long term and certainly not money. they have the ones removed turning to third parties or republicans(majority). people begin seeing this and joe sixpack and mary homemaker really begin to see what they consider a real threat. result is the demise of the democratic party and any hope of majorities in congress for a very long time much less the wh.
It would be funny, if it wasn’t so sad. Seeing this country falling for what msm wants us to believe. I shouted from the highest rooftops what a mistake George Bush was. You could see what was coming. Now the Dems are doing it to themselves. Elevating an empty suit, that the Republicans will find very easy to defeat. I will be changing my party to Independent very soon. I called the DNC and got a guy named John this morning. I asked him why the DNC was allowing Obama to call himself the nominee. His reply-I haven’t heard him call himself the nominee. Is he living in an alternate reality? Other than that, he sounded very bored and just a tad arrogant in his comments. I will not vote Obama, but I will vote Democratic down ticket. We do need to have checks and balances. You can see the train wreck coming, if Obama is the nominee, and you just want to do whatever you can to not see it happen.
Why do you respect idiots?
I mean, by their tactics they’re destroying themselves, who will maintain the business community, given the lack of intellect, and the war?
SO they’re killing themselves, every lil poke and they go NUTS, using more force.
All this democratic party this, and democratic party that, and the war is breaking the country, the war is breaking their base, but they’re too stupid to understand.
And they’ll break, too.
ROTFLMAO, they’re so DUMB.
I have never seen a group of dumber men, like they’re the first to discover alinsky, and no one ran counters to it.
True, they are idiots and then some. But like their Maoist and Bushco predecessors they are going to do a lot of damage before they start circling the drain.
Just look at what Cheney and Rove did in a matter of 8 years. They turned the U.S. into a economic and military basket case, with Beijing and Riyadh calling the shots on our currency and debt.
We don’t need any more of this shit period.
Because of this I won’t laugh at them, they are a threat to our national well-being.
rwc — Hill and Bill know what they’re up to. If Hillary felt that Obama was going to get the nomination and he was a decent enough person she would back off. She knows what this is all about and she is standing firmly against Obama. It reminds me of the reconstruction period after the Civil War. We are in for alot of strife and violence if Obama gets his way. I think thats what he wants–weaken the nation to such an extent that only a strong leader — like Saddam can lead this nation.
What Obama is trying to do is known by the CIA whose business it is to know these things–with the light of truth the roaches scatter.
Yes, they are, and the country has to learn to counter it, demand changes, you teach a man to fish you feed him his whole life, you spend all your time countering fires, you might as well be Obama.
Right?
Like a terrorist war, the idea is to cause as many problems as necessary.
Why bite? The American people HAVE to learn to stop men like Obama, and demand change, care for their democracy.
It won’t happen if we take the bait, and yes, sadly, that means people will die.
But again, fucking idiots, bringing down the whole of the military industrial complex is no easy thing, which is what they’re doing, right?
It pays to see the bigger picture, too, what about the corruption in Congress?
when i called i didn’t even give them time to respond. i said my piece and hung up. when the obama campaign calls here, i hang up. maybe the dims need a good boot kicking. just saying!
My typical white sister and I were commiserating this morning about this hijacking of the party and we began fantasizing about Hillary taking the thermonuclear option and running as an 3rd party candidate. In New York state there is already an extant “Working Families” Party–which has a web page asserting its function as a counterbalance to the entrenched politics that benefit “the wealthy and well-connected” (sound familiar?). We’d like to see Hillary take up the WFP banner make some REAL change by running against Obama and McCain in the fall. If Obama were truly interested in “post-partisan” unity politics, he wouldn’t be able to paint her as a Party traitor. I think she could win if she could find a way to ensure those down-ticket Dems she would be standing up for them as well and she could lend them the cachet of “independence” that seems to be so in fashion these days.
Crazy? Yeah, a little. But not as crazy and disturbing as what the fascistic Obama campaign is doing to our Party and our country.
Another idea floating around is using the Green Party’s candidate, Cynthia McKinnon, as the HRC protest vote. Not that I think CMK would make a great pres, but the symbolic impact could be huge, if all else fails, and the idea of the Clintons going Green, with all their expertise and connections, could be just um amazing. It’s happened before in history, it can happen again.
Are you kidding? Ralph Nader is still trying to channel his fame from the 60s. He’s not giving up the joy of his 2 percent vote in November.
Be very cautious about a third party movement - especially if it starts in NY. Warnings of this for a while- doesn’t relate to Hillary. Does relate to Bloomberg. Any recall when barry had lunch with Bloomberg in NY a few months back?
Stop and think! This is not a socialist country. All of a sudden our language has been changed from ‘middle class’ to “working class”. michelle o didn’t say she was middle class- she said “I was raised in a working class family”.
Socialist agenda is to do away with American middle class values, traditions, very structure. Be very careful!!
ADMIN NOTICE:
I removed Alibe’s comment… there was something embedded in it that made the far-right column disappear.
Very strange since I can’t see what code there might be that did that. But once I removed his comment, it was fine. GO figure.
SusanPC, Axelrod sent out the heavyweight virus team today since they are being called out on their May 20th date to derail the outcome to cause more riffs!
Oh, good, I enjoy the special olympics.
Boys ever see bait?
I heard yesterday that Obama will make a statement on May 20th that all is going well for him but not that he has the nomination–even Howard must have felt that was going too far.
My fear is that Obama does have a chance of winning. It is scarier than him losing, though. This is a Democrat year. People hate the Republicans. McCain is flawed in many many ways. Personally I can’t think of a positive for him. Both candidates are bought and paid for by the same interests. I just think it will be easier to build some resistence to McCain if he is elected and his policies than it will for trying to stop Obama and his fake liberal ideas. Rememer when Social Security is being threatened by the interests reprented by Obama backers (Goldman Sachs, etc), it will be much easier to stop McCain than trying to muster a defense against Obama. Will Obama be the Nixon/China gambit type person? Obama will be the one to destroy Social security for the “good of the country”.
alibe — this is why Obama is running his campaign directed toward the youth of this country. He has made many statements such as — I can’t worry about old women they have had their chance. Yes Obama would be seen as the one who could take down Social Security–by making it a them or us theme.
It would appear that this is the way he has orchestrated his whole life. From chosing his friends at Harvard to going to work at a law firm, only to end up recruiting them for his own purposes. I think he has a serious EGO problem. I can think of a few other leaders around the world who started out with the same massive ego. He is the arrogant pose in that photo…the one with his nose in the air. He is breathing it in…he smells domination. Let’s not allow that to happen.
My sister and I made a few hours of calls to WV and OR yesterday through Hillary’s website phone-banking tool and the response was overwhelmingly pro-Hillary, especially from people we called in Bend, Oregon. Several voters said they have never voted Republican but would vote for McCain in the fall if Obama gets the nomination. Imagine if those people had another option?
Hillary Clinton ‘08
Working Families Party
Very good news!
So winning the primary is now hijacking?
You people need to go back on your meds.
There hasn’t been any winning. The number of delegates has not changed. Declaring victory and achieving it are separated by REALITY … see Bush on air craft carrier for example.
You need to get a clue, but please, the more you troll, the more you destroy yourself.
And you’re too dumb to get it.
Too dumb to plumb!
Go away, take a bath. You are stinking up the place.
Hillary will prevail. Let’s keep working for her.
If I were cynical I would say “If Obama wins the nomination, that frees up a lot of my time. All I have to do is stay home and sit on my ass.”
But I’m not cynical. I can outlast the red guard. I won’t wear a placard with my crimes written on it. I won’t participate in self-criticism sessions. I will continue to work within my community to help friends, family and neighbors.
Keeping folks safe, healthy and happy is a day-to-day grind. So is politics. I am still able and willing to diaper the babies, feed the kids, poolcar people to work, care for my 81 year old mother, rake the lawn, pay the bills, and sit through planning commission meetings. Life is not for sissies.
Keep you chins up, mes amis!
Amen, sister.
You mean the Democratic Party is being taken over by and transformed intot the OAFLP. (Obama Animal Farm leftists Party).
If it means the same Democratic party that has rolled over for the past 7 years to Bush, then by all means, let Mr. Obama redefine and transform it…immediately!
Don’t count on any support.
well rick if you are counting on your local bros down at the local liquor store to back you up, good luch with that. the core dems are leaving, we turned off the lights and sent you the bill.
This is the type of RACIST shit that shows the true colors of the regulars here.
ROFLOL! I like it!
Hush. What’s that quiet sound. Why it’s the MODERATEs. They are the MAJORITy and ALWAYS were.
Is that agitprop?????
Who benefits? The Radical Right WINGERS. They have come up with a scheme to keep the base mobilized.
The Democratic Party is now the party of useful idiots. Has been for some time, actually. Some are something worse, much,much, worse.
The public is being played.
This is destabilization.
It’s not the Democratic Party that is being subverted. It is the country.
Take heed how ye play into this, take heed.
This is incendiary shit.
I agree, there’s a lot of hatred here. People just need to take a step back and breathe again. The Democratic party is not about hatred, it’s about coming together to help all Americans. The contrived-issue Rovian attack-style politics needs to end now. If it doesn’t, give a hearty greeting to your new president, Mr. John McCain.
Thank you, Rick.
I am impressed by the quality of Obama’s supporters.
Right. No hatred from the Obama side. It’s perfectly okay to call Hillary a cunt, a bitch, a filthy sow and a fucking whore, not to mention imply her daughter is prostitute and the whole family are racists.
I told you, they project..
lol
Not all of us Obama supporters say those vile things. I agree that there has been some unnecessary hatred and sexism from some of Obama’s online supporters, just as there is some unnecessary hatred towards Obama here and at other sites. I am a woman and an Obama supporter but I have consistently stood up against sexist remarks leveled at her. I certainly think David Shuster’s comments and other demeaing comments about Chelsea are way out of bounds. I know Clinton supporters in real life who will defend Obama against charges that he is a Muslim or anti-American, just as I have defended Hillary against sexist crap or drudged up crap from the 90’s like Vince Foster. Not every Obama supporter hates Hillary, just for the record.
That is what we are all hoping for in the event that the Democratic party flushes their brains down the toilet and puts Obama on the ticket. If that happens, hello President McCain. I for one, will do everything in my power to MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
Democrats don’t disenfranchise two key states. Obama is no Democrat.
When Donna Brazile/Howard Dean/David Axelrod/Barack Obama all say they can win the GE without white workers or hispanics is that bringing us all together? Pal they are throwing the Democratic Base under a bus. Get real
October 1. Bin Laden turns up dead.
Oct 5. Iraq becomes so democratic they adopt the apple pie.
Oct 25. Hamas is thwarted in an attack attempt attempt and everybody blames Barry.
I see a whole bunch of “let’s be afraid of Obama”, but no details or evidence to back it up. Everybody has the right to fall in love with their candidate, but not at the expense of truth and fair play. For those who are small minded enough to say that they would vote for McCain if the almighty God-like Hillary is not nominated, you need to take a serious step back and get plugged back in to reality. I was prepared to support “H” if she got the nomination, up until she went Rovian with her campaign. There is no place in the Democratic party for this type of negative race-baiting and lying. We’ve had enough of that with “W”, don’t need more of it with “H”. For those suggesting “H” should run independent following her loss for the Democratic nomination, I say go for it. She has not represented the values of the Democratic party for the past 2 months anyway, so why shouldn’t she run independent?
Where you come from they apparently don’t need to read the thread. It is understood that what is posted is “truth.” We have a tendency to read here. Funny enough. An follow links. And use our own thinking power.
You’re new here, so maybe you didn’t notice a really, really long thread with blue portions. Go back, read, and then, if you want to post something, do it intelligently and not to insult your hosts. Got it?
No need to engage in personal attacks. We are done with the “W” and “H” style of attack politics. It’s time for real change.
“Change” as in alleging that the only successful Democratic two term president is a racist? Change as in disenfranchising the voters in two states regardless of how many plans they have presented to him to revote? Is that the change of which you speak? No thanks. Not me. I’ve had a belly full.
You are misinformed about the Michigan and Florida debacles. The candidates had nothing to do with whether the votes would be counted. I heard an audio recording last week of “H” saying, prior to the primaries, that she knew Michigan and Florida would not be counted. She also signed an agreement with the DNC that she would not campaign in those two states, knowing that their delegates would not be seated. The ballots in Michigan and Florida did not represent the full list of candidates running on the Democratic ticket. The only solution would be to do another vote, but Florida and Michigan legislatures could not come to agreement on a revote. To count the votes that were placed would be an utter abuse of an invalid “vote”, and would be just as heinous as the manipulated Florida presidential vote of 2000 and Ohio presidential vote of 2004. Honesty and fair play should be the absolute goal. This should not be a contrived manipulation of the facts in order to attack Obama, he had nothing to do with the outcome, nor anything to do with the Republican legislatures screwing up the process. If you want to get pissed at someone for the disenfranchisement, get pissed at all the morons in Florida who have put Republicans in charge. That’s the unfortunate pain of democracy, those who get elected call the shots for the entire state.
You are wrong.
Florida and Michigan both have come up with multiple plans with the party and Hillary agreed to. In each case, BO said “NO.” In the Florida case, they were going to do a mail ballot which he said he would challenge with an appeal. Funny how he felt that the same rules that apply to voting by mail which he approved in Federal legislation would be violated in practice when conducted in Florida, isn’t it?
Why is it that Obama trolls never know facts? Why do you assume that we don’t know how to google? I would respectfully suggest that you not believe Clinton supporters are all as dumb as the media would have you believe and that we do in fact know what is going on.
I feel very sorry for Obama if he is stuck with you and the rest of the trolls who can’t form an independent thought or do any personal research.
As a moron from FL., we have had a republican majority shoved down our throats since Jeb Bush became gov. (FL. has traditionally voted republican) and now under his chosen successor, Charlie Crist.
BTW-ALL of the candidates were on the primary ballot. Most voters didn’t know anything about the squabbles between the DNC & the FDP, so we voted in record numbers.
Another BTW-Two dems. co-sponsored the bill to move up the primary in FL. Wanna guess who they support? OBAMA. In MI., two dems. advocated the move up of their primary, too. Wanna guess who they support? OBAMA.
This whole mess was planned back in early 2004. Party infighting and power struggles. That’s the “change” they’ve been “hoping” for.
That explains everything. There was always a piece of the puzzle missing. I knew that a Dem was involved in the moving up of the primary. I just didn’t know it was an Obama supporter who was in on the conspiracy to defraud the Democrats of a legitimate election. Is this illegal or is this illegal? Is it a felony? A conspiracy to defraud the people of Fl and MI of their votes and due process. Oh how cute of Howard Dean and Donna Brazile and the DNC. Yep, that is the final piece. thank you. Lock ‘em up Dano!
People don’t want to believe you’re telling the truth, but you are.
Politics are dirty, and men who take money from terrorists will steal elections in this manner.
OMG- I’ve got a bridge to sell you - and it’s in Minnesota.
don’t obies read anything?anywhere?ever?
It is common knowledge in brain functioning circles that revote for MI gained momentum and total support of HILL campaign. obama’s crew killed that on the state level. They didn’t and don’t want ANY MI vote- because it is not an obama vote.
Best you check youtube-among other sources for the ranting AA Detroit councilwoman who blocks much legislation with her agenda: Demands compensation to AA’s for slavery 150 years ago.
She is big obama supporter and gerrymandered (look it up between sips of kooliad) the state leg. to block the preparations needed for the revote.
It is more scary than anything how uninformed and ignorant obama supporters are - or think we are:
SO HERE IT IS IN BLACK AND WHITE - and if you must bother us here don’t bother us anymore with your victim fairytales about MI:
1. he took his name off the MI ballot because he knew he would lose.
2. he then blocked MI vote legitimacy because his name was not on the ballot.
3. he then blocked MI revote arrangements through his local surrogate’s screeching tirades because he can’t win a revote.
poor barry lol
since your bros involve themselves in personal attacks ricky poo, you can’t exempt yourself. now go home and be nice to your mother, poor lady.
Obama, he had nothing to do with the outcome,
He had everything to do with the outcome. He did everything to NOT have the votes counted.
He gamed the votes of 2.3 million people for who?
The comments of Hillary Clinton are only part of what she said. She also said as part of that statement the votes should be counted.
Be selective at your own risk. Take responsibility, blaming democrats for voting FOR voting machine reform in Florida by refusing to understand the political realities in that state is intellectually dishonest.
Obama is such a doormat that he can’t stand up for a democratic principle unless it serves those that brung ‘em to the Rezko and Ayers fundraisers.
Defend him toasting Auchi, not once but twice.
Defend his involvement with Ayers for years as he lies and say he lives in the same nieborhood…
Defend his racist views.
Go ahead and defend him and his transformation to the darkside will be complete.
dang ricky poo, you keep posting the same manure.
Oh my, they want her to run 3rd Party.
Interesting new bag of tricks. A present for Mother’s Day.
I will not vote for Hillary if she runs 3rd Party. There will be no:
“Sneaking in the back door with those crazy hoodlum friends of” Obama’s (thanks Stevie Wonder)
Fuck that!
After reading that article this is what I’m going to do. I’m going to dry up his ratshit coattails too. Straight down the line Repub.!!!
Smoke that!!!
Rick — so you are going to tell us what has a place in the Democratic Party and what doesn’t. Now we have the Democratic Party police. You want to go police something? Then perhaps you can tell us why Obama talks against white people while embrasing AA’s. Are these not incendiary actions by a person who wants to be the nominee of our party?
The majority of the party is not saying a word. But they vote. They are the moderates who aren’t into all this hooting and hollering and they are definitely not into Marxism. They just vote. Like they always have. Don’t mistake Loudest with Majority. That mistake has happened before.
Obama is not qualified to be Commander in Chief. He doesn’t have enough experience. End of story.
“H” is as qualified as Laura Bush.
Rick:
Laura Bush? Are you serious?
What legislation did Laura work to get passed? And when was she re-elected senator with over 60% of the vote? And what policy issues does she have mastery over?
This your new politics? We are NOT impressed.
obama has never had major legislation passed that he really “worked” on, as he relied on a helper to get that done for him. he doesn’t even wait to get the curtains hung before he is out looking or another job. he plays with the local terrorists, fraudsters, unsavory types, religeous fanatics, and has a resume you can put on the head of a pin. so ricky poo take the crap and put in the garbage where it belongs. you are stinking up the place.
Obama would have helped to pass important legislation except that he kept hitting the wrong button.
You’re trying to prove a negative, Rick, you cant, and long term you don’t understand how it works.
Look at Dick Cheney, his American empire, and the middle east, that’s what happens.
Other than that, how about those lakers?
Iron my shirt.
He cannot be a commander-in-chief because he already answers to one commander: Michelle!
The Clinton name has been synonymous with NAFTA, China free trade, and support for Iraq/Iran war mongering. We can’t afford to put a Republican back in the White House when real change is needed.
Don’t talk about not smearing someone and then smear the candidate that this site supports. Go back to the scum who believe what you do.
A smear would involve bending the facts. Did “H” not appear in speeches saying how great NAFTA was, while Bill was rolling it out? I heard the audio. Did Bill not approve the designation of China as “most favorable trading partner”, with the help of his Republican congress? The Democratic party principles are about helping society grow, not helping corporations grow. The Clinton name will always bear the stain of corporatism. Now, if people are more afraid of the black fellah than of the corporatist candidate, that’s another story.
I’m getting a a buck from an AA Obama supporter every time a an Obama troll mentions racism on this oboard. And I’m donating it to Hillary.
Thanks Rick!
Hillary thanks you, too!
Well be fair. We haven’t seen the race card for at least an hour.
you poor deluded messiah freak. you don’t even recognize the corporate candidate when you’re kissing his ass.
learn to thin, reason and read. or shut up.
and since the former 3 can’t be expected, just shut up or go chant hymns at obama’s pretty pretender site.
There isn’t free speech here? Hmmm…I always thought the Democratic party’s first principle was all about free speech. My mistake.
it is lying and trolling that isn’t accepted, rickeypoo.
First principle is to count all the votes. Everything else comes after that.
The Obama name is synonymous with voting “present” when tough decisions are there to be made. The Obama name is synonymous with getting other names pulled off of ballots so that he can run unopposed. The Obama name is synonymous with doing NOTHING for his constituents. The Obama name is synonymous with disenfranchisement. The Obama name is synonymous with dirty Chicago politics ….
Should I go on?
The Clinton name is synonymous with supporting Bush’s war and disenfranchising the working class in America. Need I mention the little 18 cent gas tax trick? You think the oil companies wouldn’t have raised the price by an equal 18 cents to squeeze more profits in their unregulated little free-for-all?
Should I go on? It’s obvious here that love is blind…
Collectively raising their prices is called “fixing” and it prohibited under the anti=trade policies. But you don’t understand that because it doesn’t fit your scenario, does it? You’re not an economist and you don’t understand anything that Obama or the economists said in opposition to the 18 cents, so you are just pulling this out of your ass …
As for “supporting the war,” so did Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry, Daschele and most of the big names supporting Obama …. who by the way didn’t have a vote at the time, so we’ll have to take his word on how he would have voted when the rubber met the road. Maybe he’d have been in the Senate toilet with his pants down around his ankles and missed the vote?
Actually, Obama claiming that he would have voted against the AUMF is, at best, suspect. He voted repeatedly to fund bush’s invasion when he was in a position to vote on the matter.
>As for “supporting the war,” so did Dodd, Kennedy, Kerry, Daschele and most of the big names supporting Obama<
But Obama is running for president, not Kennedy, Kerry, Daschle, and most of the big names. Why don’t you croon on about Mark Penn’s Columbian ties? Sure, he was dismissed for show, but the reality of hypocrisy within the Clinton campaign is still there. He is directly related to McCain’s senior campaign advisor, he was a lobbyist for Columbian free trade, something that Hillary “supposedly” was against. For every contrived issue you can find on Obama, you’ll hear back something just as valid and damaging about Hillary. It’s politics, people, be honest about it, have some integrity.
You don’t think price fixing exists in the crude oil market? Did you read the internal memos that were released about how consolidation would help them achieve higher prices at the pump, by shutting down refineries? Please don’t forget that the corporate-friendly justice department under our Constitution-hating president Bush has not been willing to go after big oil. So please understand that price fixing by big oil is a reality. Oh, and did you forget that Mr. Clinton deregulated commodities trading at the end of his 2nd term? That’s what enabled Enron, that’s what screwed the California energy market, that’s why crude oil futures are being “played” in the commodities markets, that’s partly responsible for grain and corn futures going through the roof.
Come on, guys, don’t be ideologues. If you’re supporting a “Democratic” candidate here, then you need to at least be sensitive to issues that are important to the Democratic party, and to the American public in general.
Lastly, try not to resort to the name calling and illustrative inuendos, it really does weaken your case. There is no need to impugn my qualifications to speak on a topic, especially when you have no knowledge of the topic to comment. You have every right to be in love with your candidate, and support her with all your heart and soul, but you have the responsibility to be civil, and integrity is vital.
You don’t tell us what our responsibilities are! You want to see nasty attacks, go home to Daily Kos and lecture them.
“The Clinton name is synonymous with … disenfranchising the working class in America.”
Is that why the working class is supporting Hillary over Obama?
It’s very revealing — we’ve all heard this ‘working class, worker’s party, the working man’rhetoric from the ultra-left for years. But now they want to drive the working class out of the Democratic Party. The ultra-left never cared about the working class. They are like parasites jumping from one social issue to another, trying to find the doorway to power. Now they’re out playing the race card when I’ve seen they are just as racist as anyone.
The last people who were disinfranchised in those 8 years were the working class. Were you old enough to remember that? Seriously. If not, then ask your parents. Most of them made the money then that put plenty of you through college. I’m serious here. This was a time of serious prosperity. Yes there were poor people. There will ALWAYS be poor people unless we plan to redistribute everyone’s money. Do you think that’s a good idea?
I just took a look at your blog. A Higher Goal I see.
No, actually, the uneducated middle class white folks, who are also Bill O’Reilly’s biggest Nielson-rated segment, just aren’t ready for a colored fellah in the White House, plain and simple. Obama is attracting more of the educated white vote, people who have life experiences to broaden their window of experience with people and society as a whole. It’s too easy to hate the black folk when you live in a sheltered white environment. Just because it’s called the “White House” doesn’t mean you gotta stick a white person in there.
How do you know so much about all of us here? Color, education, age, life experience, cultural knowledge?
Furthermore, if you subscribe to Obama’s mission of unity and hope, then why are you coming here to argue and insult. You are not practicing what he is preaching.
That’s right, working class Americans. Obama attracts the ‘posh set’ and they are better than you in EVERY way.
As the British would say, ‘Upper Class Toffs for Obama’!
Rick:
If your really mean all that nonsense about Hillary having the same values as McCain why are you even bothering with us? According to you we already have Republican values and she clearly expect us to follow them by voting for McCain in Novemeber.
Please go away. You are not helping yourself or your cause.
well ricky poo, we have seen the “change” to which you are referring. now scat!
rickypoo, your hero also voted for all those things. dang, little fellah, you are just plain stupid.
Again, you weaken your case with the name calling. You can be in love with your candidate, that’s fine, but you need to realize something that the Republicans learned a long time ago. If you market your ideas like crap, your result will be crap. So, my advice, try to offer the positives of what your candidate will do. A little warning, the Clintons have screwed the black vote by trying to capitalize and promote the Wright controversy. You’ll need the black vote to beat John McCain.
You’ll need the black vote to beat John McCain.
That is correct. If Senator Clinton is not the nominee, I will vote for Mccain after being told I am not needed by BO.
after all BO sat on a symposium with Bill Ayers titled “intellectuals..Who needs them?”
PS Love has zip,nada to do with anything.
We all Know Hillary would have had the Black Vote and she would have beaten McCain too because americans are sick of eight years of
REPUBLI`GATED…which Finally been Digested and is being REGURGITATED..We would have had a totslly UNITED Democrat Party this Year…and people would Started feeling GOOD again by Now…
Hillary is the Most Intelligent and qualifed candidate in this Race and could have Won..
Now, she is being unfairly attacked, and lied about…The Obama campaign is playing the Race Card…as a Strategic game plan…But look at who the real racists are…all of Obamas Friends..and He even played the Race card with his grandmother..
Reality is..Axelrod Doesn’t care about Hillary..
He doesn’t seem to care about whats best for America..
He is just another Gamer..Playing the Ego game..
Hillary deserves the Nomination..She has worked so hard all her Life…She is Campaigning Harder ..with more character and Mojo..She is ReaLLY SINCERE ABOUT THE ISSUES..sHE HAS Solutions..She has support that Counts..that go’s beyond Race and idol Worship..BUT..
A Commie Wants Obammie in the White House..
If They are given the OIpportunity to BUY Our Government with Happy Meal and Clown…they Will..
Lets Face it…There has been alot of DUMMYING DOWN of America…
Saw the Lanny Davis clip Patrick Henry.
I really think she should take it to convention floor. Point in fact is she has a constitutionally sworn obligation to do so.
I agree….in fact so do the Our Government Agencys…Some of this is so Anti american Government it should be covered under the Patriot Act and on someones Oat to Protect and defend the Constitution…
Clinton has said next to nothing about Wright and Obama’s church. Only when she is DIRECTLY asked a question about it does she respond. If she wanted to bury Obama she would have unleashed this before Iowa.
The facts of Obama’s church have been in plain view since at least April of last year. There is a NY Times interview with Wright from that month. She did NOTHING with it. The MSM covered Obama’s ass for months. It was only when Fox just couldn’t hold their fire any longer that it became common knowledge.
She has stayed away from it because she knew she would be called a racist. Hell, if you say good morning nowadays you get called a racist. Go back to the mothership and get your facts straight. BTW, if BO gets the nom I’ve got some news for you — the Rethugs don’t CARE if you call them racists.
Sparky you just described Obama and his economic advisers.
BTW Obama has no legislative track record standing up for American workers against off-shoring, the use of H1-B and L-1 guest visa workers(in-sourcing), etc.
He’s also the same pile of shit who called a American engineer a racist because he lost his job to a H1-B guest worker and complained about it.
Yeah he really cares about people who actually work for a living.
On the Iraq war, why hasn’t Obama voted no on funding it?
So much for standing for something.
The fact is your boy is a fraud and is why he cannot win over the white working class in decent numbers. They see it unlike the stupid guilt ridden liberals and racist AA’s who only see and care about Barky’s skin color.
Rick — what is that change you are talking about? He is going to change Washington but he cannot even seem to find his flag pin in his sock drawer. The man is an empty suit with pockets full of money.
You’re calling him an “empty suit” at the same time you’re impugning his not wearing a Chinese-made flag pin, like the Republican war-mongers do? And you’re criticizing me for supporting him? Holy crap! Pot, meet kettle…kettle, this is pot.
OK, let’s see. If it’s about cheap shots like a flag pin, how about Hillary’s crying moment? Seems like we need a president who isn’t going to cry when she gets a little tired. If she answers that 3am phone call, she’s going to bawl her eyes out.
There, that’s an equal response to the flag pin crap. An equally cheap shot based on inuendo and spin. Learn from it.
Its an American Flag pin sparky and Obama won’t wear one. Even though every member of Congress wears one. Whose fault is it that The American Flags are made in China–I guess its the fault of the white workers who demanded so much money for making our flags. Give it a rest–you ain’t converting anyone here.
How is the weather where you are?
Spin it, tool
And the cabal behind Obama may be receiving plenty of “insider” help.
In an interview with NPR’s Robert Siegal on March 5th Dean states, “The problem with Florida, moving forward, was not only was it
incredibly disrespectful to all the other states who voted for and kept their word, it also stepped on South Carolina which was OUR WAY of including LARGE NUMBERS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN in the process to select the Democratic nominee, who cannot become president without a large number of African-Americans winning in November.”
Howard also said, “We’re not interested in disfranchising Florida and Michigan voters. They’re important to us. But what we are saying is we have to be respectful of the other 48 states who stuck by the rules, played by the rules and we most certainly have to be respectful of the candidacies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who knew what the rules were, and changing the rules halfway through the game is incredibly unfair to both of those candidates and frankly would split the Democratic Party. So we’re not going to do it.”
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Does “So We’re not going to do.” sound as though Howie gives a damn that he DID disfranchise Florida voters or that the Florida Republican controlled State Legislature changed the primary voting date not democrats?
Were Florida democrats thrown over a cliff to enable Obama to win the S.C. primary? Is this part of the Obama/Brazile,/Dean campaign plan to takeover the democratic party?
JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST ON A CRUTCH!
These Doers of Good and their Best of Intentions are dangerous.
All their initiatives turn to shit - but at a slower rate than those of Cheney.
You forgot to mention that SC broke the rules too and moved their Primary up and were not penalized. Why???
Because Barry had lots of voters there.
Please don’t forget that Florida’s Republican legislature was entirely responsible for the primary fiasco. Further, the Republican party also lost their delegates. It’s merely political opportunism to think that Hillary would have won Florida or Michigan if a valid ballot had been hosted.
YES
Some of those comments show some need serious medication..
And someone should tell them Obama is a BOOMER. Its like those who went to WOODSTOCK 99. Its not your parents WOODSTOCK anymore.
Patti,
I assume you are a woman for Obama?
N’est-ce pas?
Case closed!
Why would you think any self-respecting woman would care what you think?
And speaking of meds, stock up on thorazine for Nov. You’re going to need it after the ass-whipping Obama’s going to get.
Now run along dear and be a good little Obamaton and go play on one of your own blogs where you can massage each other’s egos and just maybe if you’re a good little girl Obama might give you a kiss and tempt you with the vibrating cell phone in his pocket. I doubt he could tempt you with anything else since he doesn’t have any balls.
Here we go again, conservatives personally attacking anyone who disagrees. Fox Noise machine all over again.
Rick if you had a cogent argument you’d stand a chance.
But you’re just another dumb republican, tool, losing, DYING, and you don’t know why…
The more you troll, the more you lose, and some people choose to keep you engaged, for reasons you don’t understand.
But Obama, and the republicans, and the businessmen who support them, aren’t doing well.
I call them Jennifer Pupps!
Woodstock 99? You guys have no idea how far apart woodstock 99 was from the real thing. I wasn’t living far from there at the time. It was a joke. Stop trying to reach out to nearly 40 years ago for your identity and fun. It wasn’t as romantic as you imagine.
patti — what exactly is it then? Sorry I don’t get the Obama excitement. In fact I think he’s ugly and vapid. He tries to tell me about a time I lived through. But he doesn’t tell me how he is going to change Washington and what he is going to do about this economy and those are just the domestic issues. How about Foreign Policy where he has absolutely no clue. Oh yeah he does have a cousin named Odinga who is trying to take over Kenya — and make all their women wear burkas.
Then there is his charming wife —- NOT
Well, Hillary is shrill as a banshee. So maybe some people like ugly and vapid as an alternative. Hillary has been in Washington since 1988, so I’m not sure that she really wants to change anything, as she has not been a champion of change that entire time. Granted, I’m counting her Laura Bush experience in that period of time, which is of dubious merits.
No, Rick, just because they poke you in the balls, you shouldn’t’ bite.
You know nothing about the Woodstock generation. We stood for something. We would never have been fooled by a media manufactured little nobody like Barack Obama. You will have a job to do if God forbid Obama gets in — you will be part of a Generational war to privatize Social Security and Medicare. This is why he directing his campaign toward young people. So get ready — your job is to throw your Gramma under a bus.
My Local NM SDSteadfast for Clinton, Udall Silent; Breakdown on NM Count
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/
I woke up to some good news today as the paper reported that my local superdelegate, Mary Gail Gwaltney, is sticking with Clinton for as long as the latter stays in the race.
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She is also quoted as saying that Clinton has the “stamina and the will” needed as a leader.
I’m so glad Gwaltney mentioned these qualities, because Obama, while he might have the will, doesn’t look particularly strong when it comes to stamina. As long as things are going his way, he’s bright as a penny, but it’s horror show time if he has to confront serious questions or has to debate. He also mispeaks about where lakes are and the number of states in the union, which doesn’t give me much confidence in his ability to actually do the job of President. But, of course, he will have advisers, just like Bush has had advisers…
MORE including the updated breakdown of the superdelegates…Hillary only 4.5 behind with the hysteria about she should quit never-ending…
SusanUnPc, out of that whole post here is what I find most disturbing.
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No dought that maybe true, however considering BO’s methods and Axelrods “secretive media company”, how this is to be accomplished portends to be a very dangerous direction.
It says the voters are secondary to the process.
When that happens …history will be obliged to repeat itself.
Mr. Clinton enabled media companies to turn their news organizatinos into profit centers, which is what created today’s propaganda machines and infotainment media. If we’re going to point out “secretive media companies”, why don’t we create legislation to break up the media conglomerates and force them to be independent of all business ties? Media companies should be restricted to media services only. It’s time to reverse Bill Clinton’s deregulation of media companies.
It is “President” Clinton.
A title Obama will never have.
Well, I certainly hope the era of Bush/Clinton corporatism comes to a quick end this November. I can’t afford this crap anymore. But I guess we’ll all just get jobs at Wal-Mart and keep on buying our poisoned Chinese-maid crap, and life is great under Bush/Clinton. Hey, maybe once Hillary gets done in 8 years, Jeb will be ready to roll in. Sounds like a dream come true.
But I guess we’ll all just get jobs at Wal-Mart and keep on buying our poisoned Chinese-maid crap
Like the Maytag people and the Treehouse people had to do thanks to Obama standing in front of his Finance commitee chairman James Crwon stuffing his pockets with money instead of fighting for the peoples jobs or Michelle stuffing her pockets at Treehouse while hundreds of Latino jobs were lost at Treehouse?
Shit and Obama hasn’t even been a Preident yet and never will be!
Rick — how naive can you be? Do you think Obama got 250 Mill to run for president from all the little people. Obama is corporate owned and operated. Of that you can be sure.
And somehow your corporate-owned candidate is better? Or wants to eliminate lobbyist influence? I’m all ears, haven’t heard news on that front yet.
Your are trying to prove a negative, and you cant’ grasp it.
Governments are brought down on that premise.
Apparently, Cheney, the republicans, the trolls, and Obama, too.
So keep trolling, tool…
Rick:
You don’t get it. You have it entirely backwards. We believe that Bill was one of the most succesful presidents of our lifetimes. Bashing him and his legacy will get you no traction with us.
As for the media conglomerations. We already have the antidote, you are actually posting on one. We have the abilty to get actual facts, sometimes video or audio and to move it around the world without the media.
I you want to explain why anyone here should move to support Obama. You have to explain what he has to offer. Not bash Bill and Hill (that is assinine). Not spead McCain fear (that is DOA).
If Obama wants my vote (in the unlikely event he makes it to the general) he has to address MY concerns and values. And clearly, since I do not support him or his judgment, by bashing things that I do support (voting rights, univeral healthcare, smart and detailed policies, and bill and hill).
Fair enough. But the bashing of Obama in this comment blog opens the door to bashing any other candidate. My comment that “love is blind” is simply to illustrate that we all need to be realistic. It’s fine that everyone here is in love with their candidate, I support the notion of an emotional bond with who people support. But just as Obama’s “weaknesses” are being trumpeted as the reason he would lose in November, we need to be realistic that Hillary has some major baggage herself, perhaps not unlike Obama. There are a bunch of folks in America who just can’t vote for a black fellah, and I get that. I don’t agree with it, but I understand the nature of the folks that comes from. At the same time, there are a bunch of folks out there who just won’t vote for a shrill white woman. Not my definition of her, but that’s what will be used against her. America is still split down the middle, half Republican, half Democrat. Polls are crap, they mean nothing, when it comes down to it, people don’t change. It will be a close election, no matter who gets the nomination. But people need to be open to the fact that as many people who are out there opposing Obama, there are just as many opposing Hillary. To say that Hillary can weather the storm better in November is wishful thinking at best, the hopes of love-struck admirers. We really don’t know which candidate will survive the storm that the Republicans will unleash. But to attack the other Democratic candidate with everything convenient, no matter who one supports, is NOT the way to ensure a Democrat in the White House in 2009. In fact, it’s the BEST way to ensure a John McCain victory.
Whoever those people are that you are talking about, please direct your comments to them. I am not racist. I am not unrealistic. My only concern is putting the most comptent person in office. And I can assure you, that bashing McCain alone will not get you my vote. Obama has very serious issues that I am concerned about.
The Race Card is required every 15 minutes on this board and at least once a day in the media. I hope it increases myself. It makes the majority electorate groan at this point. It’s been so overdone, it’s a Republican tool now.
OK, then let’s play the misogyny card. Hillary is a woman, and we only elect males to the White House in this country. Last I checked, we’ve only had men as president, so there is clear precedent. The misogyny card is every bit as relevent as the race card, and I have been a strong proponent of shattering either of those glass ceilings. At the point Hillary stopped talking about what she could do, and more about how bad the black fellah was, she lost me. I was prepared to vote for whoever got the Democratic nomination, and I thought it was awesome that a black man or a woman could smash the barrier to the White House. I just don’t want Karl Rove politics any more, I’m sick as sh1t of that stuff. It’s old school, young people don’t want to hear the bitching about stupid sh1t, which is why the young people have gone to Obama. The playing field is always changing, and Hillary needs to learn that the youth vote is just as important as the uneducated rural white vote.
The misogyny card doesn’t work. Pigs like you already know that. It’s just fine to kick a woman’s ass so long as you don’t mention a black person. So cut the shit and get the hell off our board if you don’t like it.
Rick — you still didn’t tell us what Obama offers this country and why we should vote for him. But I guess you’re having problems because Obama never says what he will do except he will change Washington.
It’s like the Easter bunny, he simply doesn’t get it doesn’t exist.
Even this virus attack, they don’t get there is in fact defense, they only know what they see, and even then it’s a toss up.
You’d think they’d have some clue, really provincial.
But then, you know how it is when you hire, you can get 55 applications, and maybe ten that are worthy, and you’re blessed if you get one viable hire.
Hatred is a defense, not an offense, and you don’t understand that about yourself.
Neither do the Obama’s, Axelrod, and K**.
How you sleepin at night?
I dreamt about this big piece of sliced mahi mahi, in a yellow shirt, with one yellow boot, pretending to be a farmer of some sorts, harvesting, or tilling, shit, while working his part time job of selling washing machines.
Stupidest white fish I ever did see.
Next nignt I dreamt Mr mahi started a war with Iraq, to control middle east washing machines, he wanted them all.
And boy does HE smell, but I swear, last night, it was just a bit…better, the stench, better, miniscule, but better.
Maybe I’m wrong, I’ll see.
Rick so you don’t know a damn thing about Axelrod do you? President Bill Clinton had nothing to do with what has happen in the last 8 years.
Not for me to ed you up. READ!
Axelrods “secretive media company.”
Hey Kite…Howdy Captain Howdy..
You should have heard hannity and Lanny Davis just getting into this issue about Ayers..and Minister WHITE Hater…
I am recording it.
Patrick — Did Hannity do something on Michelle? I heard he was going to focus on her today.
Oh…SKOOOZE Me..
Its Texas WHITE STAR BullShit…
But They were called red star States..
But Now we Have Obama turning Red Star States..BLUE..
and the Blue states turning RED..
Oy Ve CHE…
Americans CAN BE SO NAIVE AND Guillable..
AxelRove has packaged up..a DRONE..
Enough of a SOMETHING for Everybody Happy meal and Smiling Clown for Everybody..
Reality Is…Axelrove has gotten the American People to Buy an ObammaBaby…that is at a Minimum…A First generation American…Whose African Citizen father supported Black Liberation..was a Political Activist ..and wound up a drunk…and whose mother was also a Social Activist..
“Candidate Obama”..has a life long history of only being mentored by or Associated with..or being friends with Communists, marxists, radical Students, Revolutionarys, Terrorists,
and American government Hating Bombers of Government Institutions..who regret they haven’t done more Bombings..whise pastor Embraces Louis farrakahn..and Black militancy..and they all hate the “Rich (Capitalist) White Mans System..
Boy…Thats Quite a Sell Job Axelrod…A CURSE on You for not giving a shit about whats good for America..for Dividing Our Nation even More..and for Your Egotistical Interference…
The “New Communist” are Amazing..they still
are Anti American..Hate the “Capitolists”..
Fund revolutions all over the World…
And LOVE all the Money and Power..
Hypocrites..
But Bush was a coke addict and boozer, but he made it to the White House. Somehow I don’t suspect Obama’s father winding “up a drunk” is relevent. And being a social activist is a bad thing? Doing the work that Jesus would do is bad? This forum is more right-leaning than I realized.
Not half as bad as your denial is to me, as your enemy.
HTH
For Eight years We have been the Republic of TEXAS
BLUE STAR..Bullshit
Now its Welcome to the Bananna Republic of the United States..
RED STAR..Radicals…
There is a BAD MOON RISIN…
Perhaps RED CRESCENT…RED STAR..
Somewhere over the Rainbow jus’t isn’t the Same.
“Same as it ever was” Patrick Henry.
You see statements like this
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and it confirms to me that “you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack”
but
thinkhope it can be turned of like a light switch. Poor bugger is clueless to believe it is even a remote possibility.The quick end is a “Grapes of Wrath”.
Happy Mothers day to you and yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NXkM8PsPXs
check out mr businessman
he bought some wild wild life
on the way to the stock exchange
things fall a part, it’s scientific
Obama is going to lose the popular vote that is what Bill Clinton knows. W.VA and KY.is going to give Hillary either the lead or a few 1000 votes behind in the popular. Obama is trying to make the case the POPULAR vote means nothing its the delegate count that matters. He knows Puerto Rico is going to put Hillary way over the top in the popular vote Now with the delegate count when all said and done Florida and Mi Hillary will be counted at 50% Bill Clinton said without Fl and MI; Hillary would be about 80 behind in the delegate count and estimates after all the races she would have the popular vote lead. May 29 we will know if the finish line is 2025 or 2209 to premature to give anyone the nomination until we know that anyway. But when Florida and Michigan is counted Hillary should be 69 delegates behind with either having enough to win, Obama will be close but NO cigar
well you certainly have this well thought out and it makes good sense to me. it also shows just what thse folks are so afraid of in the dim party and media. i don’t think the dnc will give in at all to michigan or florida delegations. they can’t let that happen. i agree that it is important for hillary to go on and collect those votes both popular and delegate wise. i recommend that she take it to the convention. when obama gets his bxxx kicked in november and the dim congressional races have no coatails, that should be interesting.
The problem is that Fox Noise Channel has rooms full of video and audio that will eviscerate Hillary in November. Why do you think Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter have been promoting Hillary so hard? They have so much crap on her, it will give them 5 months of solid time-filling sewage for their propaganda attack against the Democratic party. Strange bedfellows, wouldn’t you say?
i’d say bill ayers, rev wright, pelosi, reid, and kennnedy make strange bedfellows, fool.
No need to call people names. I’m continually amazed at how conservatives just LOVE personal attacks as a primary means of means to achieve their end. And by the way, if you have any evidence that Ayers and Wright had any influence over Obama’s politics, please present it. You would be the first to do so. Guilt by association works as well as with Vince Foster, right? How about the mysteriously appearing Rose law firm files?
No need to call people names. I’m continually amazed at how conservatives just LOVE personal attacks as a primary means to achieve their end. And by the way, if you have any evidence that Ayers and Wright had any influence over Obama’s politics, please present it. You would be the first to do so. Guilt by association works as well as with Vince Foster, right? How about the mysteriously appearing Rose law firm files?
stodgie — great point. Now its the Democratic Party and the people who hate America. This is a Republican wet dream.
Yeah, well, we know she and Bill didn’t borrow any mob money to buy their home or have any weather underground friends who launched her senate race. OK?
It’s a hard rain agonna fall!
As she has said so many times, they’ve been trying for 16 years, and much to their dismay, she is still here.
Just maybe Rick–the Republicans are Americans first and they see what the rest of the media has done to Hillary. God Bless Hannity, O’Reilly, Buchanon, Dobbs, Fred Barnes, Charles Krauthammer, Richard Brooks, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich.
OK, you just made it perfectly clear that this is a right-wing group. Which explains why there is so much support for a corporatist. Corporations are screwing America blind, jobs are disappearing, health care is unaffordable. At what point are the good muddy boot hypocritical Christians going to realized that Jesus praised those who reached out to the weakest among us? Nah, screw them, Jesus was the Prince of War and believed in the strong corporation as the principle worth dying for.
The republicans are just as complicit as Obama’s crew.
And neither will succeed.
All of this, and yet, none of the posers can tell me why the war has failed, the consequences of that failure, and how it will be corrected.
So, yawn, I’m not impressed.
You’re starting to bore everybody.
Keith Olbermann had a great segment where he described the different ways that the Clinton campaign identified what was important. It has morphed through each primary vote.
Unless “big white ass” follows “Keith Olbermann” and “great” in a sentence, I am not interested in anything about Keith Olbamamann. No one will desert The ONE faster than Keith when the mud starts.
Ah yes, Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity are the great and all-knowing Gods. Yep, you’re right.
I am, frankly, amazed that none of the Democratic bloggers see the two number one huge problems with what Obama is doing. Obama’s campaign is brilliant in its bloodthirstiness, and learned the lessons of Animal Farm (Orwell), Fascism (Hitler), and Oprah (Oprah) well. His entire campaign has been based on these three strategies:
Orwellian: Use double-speak and triple-talk to make words mean the opposite of what they mean, while taking advantage of less critical person’s emotional desires for transformation and happiness. Obama’s campaign deliberately enlists the northeastern-based “noblesse oblige” media oligarchs and “salt of the people” politicans such as Jim Clyburn to smear the Clintons as racist in and after South Carolina, increasing his percentages in the African American vote from a 60/40 split to a 95/1 split in virtually all successive primaries. While smearing his opponent as a racist, he sweetly and “innocently” reinforces established anti-woman and anti-feminist stereotypes against her. (And watch for it: Now that he has AA’s wrapped up, he will find the next wedge, he will accuse John McCain of questioning his patriotism which we will be code for racism because of his exotic background, all the while will sweetly and “innocently” use age-ist smears against John McCain.) He deliberately and divisively uses established media memes to turn Hillary Clinton’s strengths into her weaknesses: her toughness and tenacity turns into “does and says anything to win.” And is the first to start negative campaigning (with Harry and Louise style attacks on the only truly universal health care plan on the table) while again using established media memes to develop the divisive storyline that Hillary Clinton is running a negative campaign. “Hope” and “Change” become touchy feely good-sounding emotional touchstones, repeated over and over in a consistent and brilliant message, to take on whatever meaning diverse audiences want them to, all while providing no rational or reasoned factual basis that he, in fact, as ever produced any change in the past. And, worst of all, “moving beyond the partisanship of the past” has become the new Animal Farm buzzword that back in the bad old days was called “never taking a stand, saying anything to anyone to make them think you agree with them, and (wait for it) triangulating the issues.” The Animal Farm Obama Revolution is almost complete, and we now know that “some animals (AAs, eggheads) are more equal than others (less educated whites, older women, Latinos). This new segmentation fits perfectly into the northeastern medias view of the world and their place in it: the noblesee oblige egghead whites feeling they have done their One True Thing in singlehandely erasing the vestiges of centuries of racism by electing their perfect Blend Candidate: an egghead elitist just like them who went to all the right schools and joined all the right circles — but who comes complete with AA-tinted skin. (Notice, please, that their preferred choice does not, for example, come with the beautiful deep skin tones of the lovely Djimon Honsous, for example. It is only high yaller for the eggheads, or nothing at all. Is this racial of me to point out? Or, really, just truly racist of them for behaving this way?)
Hitlerian: The fascist movement in Germany demanded three things: a radically new ideology that said the way things had always worked was wrong, a profound sense of personal devotion and undying loyalty to an almost God-like central charismatic figure, and crushing, top-down control of imaging, communication, and symbolism of the new movement. Obama’s campaign is selling millions upon millions of Americans that there is a new way of doing politics — “post-partisan” — that somehow does not devolve into unprincipled mush. If the factual record had shown that Senator Obama had actually spent any time at all learning to operate the levers of powers in Washington, DC (such as actually using his influence and power as the chairman of the Afghanistan subcommittee)he would know that unprincipled mush is often the OUTCOME of the political process even in the best of times, and that the most effective way to steer the mush towards one own point of view is to start with a stronger position and work backwards. But the Senator has never taken a strong position in his life, choosing instead to focus on his brilliant and machiavellian understanding of human nature and the control of power to subvert the healthy dynamic of the give and take of legitimate ideas. There will be no give and take with Obama, for their is no position to argue with, only the raw consolidation of power, absolute power. Through top-down control of genuinely powerful, sexy, and glitzy symbols (the beautiful O logo with the waves of the flag, and the simple fact that Obama stays thin and fashion-model-esque for a reason that has nothing to do with personal vanity) he holds mindsway over vast legions of people too hopeful, innocent, and trusting to know what they are doing, much as a charismatic preacher would who rises occasionally onto the scene. The large rallies, the control of the messaging, the maintenance of the charismatic leader — all elements of the Hitlerian rise to power. Yes, this post to which I am commenting is right. He is amassing centralized power and the bloggers of the world beware. “First he came for Hillary, and I said nothing, for I was not Hillary. Then he came for the traditional Dem base, and I said nothing, for I was not a traditional Dem. Then he came for me, and there was no one left to help me.”
Oprahmian: The central added ability of the Obama campaign over his competitors is his ability and willingness to take the advice of a secretive, masterful billionaire mentor. No dirt ever appears about Oprah Winfrey in any media because to get even within a 1000 miles of working with her you sign a multi-page confidentiality and non-disclosure form. She has complete control over her message, her branding, and her empire. She is a marketing genius, who through dint of crafting a warm, sassy, vulnerable (and staged) personality has convinced millions of (mostly) middle-aged white married women that she is their Source, in spite of her $50 million dollar home in California (among MANY others), her lack of marriage and/or a family, and who knows what else about her personal and professional dealings remains out of bounds. Even her charity work is done a continent away, in South Africa, away from the prying eyes of American investigators and reporters. Oprah can Do Know Wrong because Oprah has learned brilliantly and beautifully how to craft, market, and control her own message. Obama has learned well at the feet of his latest mentor.
As with any human, there is a mix of good and evil, of selflessness and selfishness, in their actions, methods, and values. Obama no less. But it is curious to me that no one else has commented on the striking similarities in methods and goals between the prospective Democratic nominee and these three sources. There are chilling warning signs all about, and yet, no one seems to see them or hear them.
I hope to never have to say I saw it coming. But, in fact, I see it coming. We have all been warned.
I regret if, in my lack of any editing at all, really, these words genuinely (not politically) offend anyone for their insensitivity to issues of race, class, gender, age, religion, or education.
I stand by these words, inartful as they may be.
Yours,
Politicus Finch
Finch you’re spot on! Have followed the US primaries from afar with increasing disbelief! Found it utterly unbelievable that the American people (you did elect Bush mind you!) are so gullible as to elect a charismatic egomaniac who resonates with figures in history who seduced their people into voting for them in the name of democracy, only to create totalitarian regimes the minute they came to power. (There was actually a democratic election in Germany in 1933.) I sincerely hope your type of argument is picked up in the national media somehow. But then again someone might cry foul and draw the racist card. It is really and utterly unbelievable what goes on in your country. Prospects are grim for the American people but no less so for the rest of the world! You bloggers are doing a great job of spreading real information that the established media don’t seem to want to touch.
Men and women of every country want to buy and sell washing machines, especially in the middle east.
Go figure.
A workman does need his tools…
I LOVE THIS.
Politicus Finch — your commentary is brilliant and as I was reading it I remembered reading that Obama was trained for 15 years by an executive training firm. One of our problems in this country is that we don’t know our history. We believe we are the best, strongest and freest nation on earth. However, we are naive when it comes to propaganda and we are fickle when it comes to loyalty. We seem to have no memory and there fore signs of impending doom are lost because we cannot relate to the past.
I like your name because it reminds me of Aticus Finch in To Kill A Mockingbird. I think you’re right in what you predict and I fear for this country. The country is facing hard times — similar to the early 30’s in Germany where the Germans gave up their freedom for food on their tables. We are not there yet but a couple of more years of neglect and we are done.
Do you think the media will stick by Obama in the General Election or will they turn? I am seeing support for Hillary among the Republican pundits which leads me to believe that the mainstream media is going to stick with Obama.
Well said. And is endorse, nye, pushed by the powers that be.
Politicus..
First Welcome…What a Great Contribution…Thanks for sharing your thoughs..I join others here is Thanking You.. and hope you come back…
You’re seeing the game play as well.
Obama is a sly salesman. He’ll promise you the moon, and while sitting you down he then comes up with some “little problems” of not delivering the goods. All with a sweet, “Just sign, and we’ll get this other stuff cleared a little latter” reply.
He’s a wordsmith all right, but smart mouths don’t recoup from bad moves on the political battlefield. That customer’s tank will ensure the deal is sealed to terms. }:>
The biggest question in all of this is: what will Dems do if the DNC throws this election? The true test of the resolve for Hillary to win is how her base will defend and fight for her nomination. Moderates tend to go with the flow, and by Donna’s reply, it seems she’s counting on them to do so.
Poker anyone?
This is a truly scary cult movement. I have never been a believer in conspiracy theories but I can’t help but wonder who is really behind all of this.
I don’t think for a minute that Barack (”I’ve been to 57 states”) Obama is clever enough to have put it all together.
This has been dusted off from 2000 when the post turtle was Dubya and is making the rounds again.
Okay, there are 2 Mimi’s posting today.
I’m the AA one the one above is not me. ( not that there’s anything wrong with this mimi said, just pointing it out)
mimi: No, you are not me! My name is capitalized. Didn’t realize there were two of us. Sorry for any confusion.
Mimi — like Bush everytime Obama gets caught red handed — he gets dumb. Its a ploy.
Less conspiracy, just international mafia business.
And look at tea pot dome, same thing…
Up post… typicalwhiteperson… YES! please keep reminding us. Hillary is going to win. She knows it, Bill knows its, most of us know it.
Keep remembering that.
Obama will throw Brazile and Dean under the bus, too, when it’s politically expedient. Right now they suck up… they want that database… but it won’t last.
Can you think of a single long-term friend of Obama’s who isn’t either corrupt or just plain bad news?
Can we say Marc Rich?
Emmanuel Rahm? Howard Dean?
Actually, I saw yesterday that Rahm Emmanuel is pushing legislation for hybrid car and plug-in hybrid upgrade kit tax breaks for Americans. For some reason, congress has allowed tax breaks to expire on Toyota hybrids, but not on Ford or GM. I don’t understand why congress wants to expire tax breaks on the best hybrid vehicles on the market, which in effect discourage energy efficiency.
Money, Rick, you pay to play.
Congress is dysfunctional, in part DUE to the amount of corruption it is now infected with.
Under any new president it will be worse, I think Clinton stands the best chance of leading it…
I would just write it off, not even deal with it…
And Rham was connected to Daley, anything connected to Daley is corrupt, too.
And Rham was a fundraiser for Daley…
uncle sam — Emanuel was the one that got Obama the gig at the 2004 Convention.
Yeah, and he was attached to Bill Clinton, too, but Clinton wasn’t profiting off of the Chicago-mafia-middle east connections like the IL combine is.
I hope.
I think that democratic team is just as dirty as the republicans, both with so much to hide.
And any Chicago reporter, if he, or she, were free to tell the truth, could enlighten the world.
But given how the FBI is investigating this, the truth is out there.
heh.
Someone has to, my god, they’re ripe.
I have known for some time that Obama was not a real Democrat. And I stated long ago that he was using the democratic party to achieve his own ends.
Barack Obama is a very dangerous man. He seems charming and eloquent on the outside but his cadre of associates are not poorly chosen examples of bad judgment. They are intentional alignments with individuals with which he shares a world view. Wright and Ayers are brothers in arms with Obama. Add Rezko and Auchi and the Hamas connection and the picture becomes very clear.
They have found a way to destroy the country from the inside and millions of people have been bamboozled.
Call me a conspiracy nut if you will. Matters little to me. I don’t trust the guy in the least. Never have. And I don’t put anything past him.
That’s how I feel about NAFTA, China trade, foreign policy, Marc Rich, the corporatist DLC. It’s all about power and wealth, isn’t it?
No, it isn’t. It is about getting past the icebergs on Titanic II. Not a good time to be tinkering with the engines, the hull or dismantling the life boats to improve them.
How about a different analogy. If the patient is going into shock, you postpone the elective surgery.
It’s not conspiracy, it’s common sense.
Running a business you learn you need to make certain sacrifices, you don’t always get everything your own way, and neither do you want to, WHY doesn’t Starussian theory work, scientifically?
And they can’t tell you.
And that’s all it is, NOT conspiracy, stupid men who cheated their way into the presidency.
My party affiliation has always been “unaffiliated”. So I vote for whom I think is the best candidate. With each passing day thae choice becomes clearer. Of the three, Clinton is the best choice. Obama is easily the worst choice. Obama cultists coming here spreading insults, documented lies, and general nonsense will never change my decicions, but rather confirm them.
This is a great and glorious plan about how to win an election. Then what …..?
How is this structure going to be used to pass legislation, deal with writing the rules and regulations by which the legislation gets put into day to day activities. How is this structure going to defend our country from its enemies?
I hope this stuff finds its way to the desk of every Democrat who has to go to his/her constituents to be re-hired every two, four, or six years.
This is not the change that they have signed onto.
The wars are the biggest threat, they have no CLUE how to begin to resolve the issues.
From that, everything stems, the economy, the military, and our politics.
Hamas gonna cooperate because it’s Obama?
What happens when those old personality differences surface, the same tactics that drive Obama, say, or an English plumber walks in and fucks things up?
Well, OK, so there goes Israel hat next?
Should they ask Qaddafi to bomb Israel?
Maybe they can send Rev Wright, or better yet, Auchi can settle it, he’s got pull…
But then, what about the English plumber who sees what a stupid tool Obama is, and even McCain, given he follows the same failed policies as Bush, who keeps draining the US by starting fires across the middle east, to which the president’s team responds militarily, because they don’t understand the English plumber’s motives, or game, because they’re too DUMB, again draining the bank account with no new jobs created, as the cultural zeitgeist under this mediocrity leave the country flat, no new ideas?
The country dies. Wanna war to drain your enemy? Elect a dumb President, like Bush, Cheney or Obama, then keep poking them in the balls, at will.
They’ll respond like a good pup.
They re trying to run it like Saudi Arabia, and well, the Saudis aren’t doing to well.
And then how does this affect the US? General motors, General dynamics? (Is this too Tom Clancy, tools, because nations don’t really play this way, and the cold war never really happened, the Russians just crapped their pants at the site of Ronnie Reagan, and surrendered, right?)
See?
None equipped or smart enough, none, except for Clinton.
All arrogance and pretension, no intellect, at all.
None, the stupidest men I have ever seen.
We should all thank Hillary for staying in the race - regardless of the outcome. She is the only think standing between “the one” and his goal of party
destructionreinvention.ca moderate — Damn right
rick, get the hell out of here…..you are getting on my nerves with your stupidity. we all know hillary’s baggage. do you know obummer’s baggage ? hell no you dont. next week, rezko’s trial’s closing arguements…..sing tony rezko ! give obama up for less time ! ha ha ha ……and the illinois governor is going down the toilet with obama too…chicago cesspool of politicians, down the toilet next week.
For clarification: the AA mimi is with a small ‘m.’
Ricky -
Your Mommy’s calling you! Why don’t you go and color her a card for Mother’s Day?! Color her big and ugly like Michelle Obama. Bye bye widdy biddy baby.
I’m glad that Hillary has continued her campaign and I’m still hoping she triumphs and I have continued to donate, even if it appears to be a lost cause right now. She is the BETTER qualified candidate.
However, if Obama wins the nomination, I plan to vote for him because a McCain victory would signal a disastrous coninuation of the last eight years of BushCo — much worse for the U.S. than an Obama Administration.
Call me naive (or maybe a little less paranoid), but I’m not yet worried about some over-arching “Obama domination” party. Democrats are simply too idiosyncratic and disorganized to fall for something like that in “lock step” for long. If Obama and his followers remain that arrogant, the pendulum will swing.
I dont see it as a lost cause, why do you, because Tim Russert the pumpkin head told YOU?
UncleSam -
Who says I don’t support lost causes? (Smiling.)
I never really watch Russert and Matthews makes me want to throw stuff at the television, or throw up. Yuk. Once upon a time, I respected Keith Olbermann. Not any more.
However, today’s headlines indicate a “cascade effect” of superdelegates falling for Obama and Clinton cannot fight that.
Unless something awful comes out about Obama that changes their minds between now and the convention or somehow HRC whups BO in all of the upcoming primaries and the SDs switch, it looks pretty bleak for Senator Clinton.
I don’t want it that way, but am partially a realist as well as supporter of lost causes.
Just made another donation to HRC’s campaign though. Am not giving up yet.
Again, you believe the news ?
(smiling)
You shouldn’t.
Would your uncle sam lie to you?
When liars determine your reality, your reality is flawed, and you make bad decisions.
Ask a troll…
Uncle Sam -
And what makes you so trustworthy or knowledgeable that I should defer to your opinion over the news? So far, you’ve accused me of trolling, stupidity, and being a moron. Not a very good way to inspire confidence in you as a source.
Actually, our other (governmental) Uncle Sam has lied to us - many times, so you may not want me to answer THAT question.
Meanwhile, I’m for Hillary until she wins (and I mean in November, not just the nomination) or pulls out of the race.
(Still smiling.)
Cath — If Obama gets the nomination — the DNC gave it to him. You want to vote for someone who hates white people go ahead. I will never vote for him under any circumstances.
If you want further evidence of Obama’s hatred of white people check out his book Dreams of My father. The man is consumed with hate for a majority of this country.
Yes he is worse than John McCain.
Thanks, S. Hall. I haven’t read “Dreams of My Father,” yet. I’d rather not give Obama any royalties by purchasing it, so may check out the library or peruse at my local bookstore.
If she’s an example of the sentiment of the DP, woah, this is worse than I thought.
The Germans are rational thinking people, too. Problem was they were punished too severely by the allies after WWI, and had nothing but to cling onto someone who’d promise something better. Hitler came around to fill the void.
We’re in unsettled times and an uncertain economic future. In comes Obama with the same EXACT feel good message. He inspires the youth in droves, especially the college types.
It’s no joke or mere partisanship the comparisons between Hitler and Obama. Each has the charima and wordsmithing needed to pull in the masses, and to whip them up into a frenzy. Add the blind obiedence, and the subtle threats to confirm, they’re much the same. Obama even adopted Hitler’s frown and head cock.
Hitler’s scapegoats were the Jews, Gypsies and the infirmed. Obama’s scapegoats are every race but his “master race”, Blacks (and I’m afraid even they will feel betrayed in the end, as Obama isn’t in it for them, but his ambitions).
2008, and I can’t believe I’m posting about this about our own political system.
Chris -
I presume you mean me when you say “she.” Not sure if I reflect the sentiments of the DP, but I’m not at the point where I believe that Obama and Hitler are on the same level.
Of course you might be right and maybe it IS worse than we thought, or maybe it’s time to take a deep breath and calm down and determine if there’s sufficient, genuine evidence to support your feelings about Obama.
Remember, many folks who oppose Hillary hold the pathological belief that she killed Vince Foster and drinks the blood of the young. They are nutso, and I DO NOT want to sink to that level of paranoia or irrationality.
Well,
let me say that I have been voting against my economic interests for years. For me it was always the equality (for women and minorities) and social justice. After years of saving my nickels and dimes I am doing OK.
Now that the Deomcratic party has given me the signs that they do not want me or my kind around, I guess its OK to forget about that ideological stuff.
Maybe I should have been voting Republican (UGH) - but hey, how about it?
Go Independent. Jumping to the GOP would be a culture shock, and you’ll be miserable with folks who aren’t interested in Dem ideology on social issues — and trust me, they will put the screws to you if you press social issues that don’t follow their platform (the GOP is run like the military, conform, shut up or get the you-know-what out).
Being an Independent you can still be a Dem in thought, but now vote on the issues themselves (no plank or platform stuff to abeit too). It offers you the freedom to also really play politics, with more choices. Oh, and you won’t get notices to pay some dues, as you are your own party boss (unless you want to pay yourself).
Cath-you know Obama and his zealots will be absolutely unbearable if/when Hillary gote out - are you prepared to let them get away with it?
SAS -
Of course not, but neither am I prepared to allow four more years of Bush via McCain, and the smugness with which the Rethugs will view a victory by McCain at a time that the Dems should and must win. Are you prepared to let the GOP get away with that Bushcrap AGAIN? Are you prepared for four more years of drug-addict Limbaugh and his ilk laughing at the Dems? Not me. I will fight tooth and nail to keep John McCain and the Republicans from the White House.
In an Obama versus McCain contest, I plan to vote for the lesser of two evils (Obama).
Also, IF Obama and his supporters become really unbearable, it will prove that all of Barack’s “uniter” stuff was horse manure (i.e., no better than Dubya’s lie about “compassionate conservatism” during his campaign), which many of us already suspect. No matter what they claim now (consider Brazile’s arrogant, divisive comments), Obama and Company will need Hillary’s folks in order to win come November 2008. Obama is too smart to toss away that many votes out of hubris.
Obama’s more juvenile supporters may gloat, but big deal. We already know about their level of immaturity, and the ADULT Democrats will just keep ignore them and get about the business of rescuing our country.
Let’s not forget that Hillary Clinton remains a Senator. She will still have supporters/comrades in the Legislative branch of our government. She’s not a saint and I suspect she could exact some nasty vengeance against an Obama Administration that gets too full of itself. That’s politics and Hillary knows how to play the game well.
cath — there are worse things then what Bush and Cheney have done to us. And no one hates them more than I do. But I will not vote for a party that wants to dump its base of reliable voters in order to incorporate the latte liberals, AA’s and cross over Repubs.
You have a few months to come to terms with this. Obama hates white people. He talks about something called Black Liberation Theology–which is Black Activism and then there are his friends who hate America. No one is more for the Democratic Party than I am as a third generation Democrat but he is not a Democrat. If this all sounds like a conspiracy theory. Please look at his writings. He is one scary dude.
S. Hall -
I find Obama phony, but not all that scary. Nor do I believe he hates white people. What is his motive for that hatred? OTOH, he has shown remarkably poor judgment in some of the people he has allowed to guide him.
Time permitting, I’ll Google Obama’s scarier writings, but if you can provide a source, I’d also appreciate that.
Meanwhile, this latte-liberal, middle-aged, white woman for HILLARY has to head off to work. OK, I don’t really drink lattes; I prefer strong, black coffee without milk. But I do fit some of the other demographics that are supposed to go for BO, yet I will not support him as long as Senator Clinton remains in the race.
Oh, work, yeah, I have to rinse off the astrroturf next door, my neighbor is on vacation, and a dog pooped all over it while he was gone.
Stinks, you know?
So his ground sycophants won’t worry you then? Just some food for thought.
Uppity -
I’m not sure if this was a comment/question to me. (The format here makes the threads a little hard to follow.) Should I be worried about “his ground syncophants” and exactly what are they? (Sounds like some sort of garden pest, but maybe scarier?)
I’ll try to get back to this once I’m home from work.
Thanks.
Cath, Bush or McInsane won’t be worse than Obama. The DP operated as a party with both of them in office, as your wings could at least operate as a party and there wasn’t a racial split, either. Obama is fixing to destroy it — he’s alienated about every wing Right of Mao, and but Blacks and the Latte lot.
If he gets elected (which is unlikely), you’ll find that those who remain “for the good of the party”, if he sneezes wrong, the same division Carter faced. It would be open season to nitpick from within, and it weakens the party further. You saw some of it with the GOP over McInsane, but conservatives are conditioned to obey authority and get behind their CiC. Dems are not, and the rammifications are a turf war. Depending how he behaves, it could be mild, or a ‘68/’84 revolt.
Obama is NOT what the DP needs at this time, so near in winning both congress and the White House together (hasn’t been that way for over a decade), all that can be lost over a turf war.
Ugh!
Interesting, with the trolls, or even with the republican jet set, or the democratic tool time, ask them how to solve the war, and they can’t tell you, all they can do is project arrogance.
And right there, any good business person knows this guy is a poser, a no talent, incapable of doing the job, period.
How can they be taken seriously?
Why would you say this:
“Even her charity work is done a continent away, in South Africa, away from the prying eyes of American investigators and reporters.”
Oprah has operated “charities” in America for decades! You should have done a google search to check your work.
When you make ridiculously false statements like that, people will just blow off everything you have to say. It looks like you’re making up stories.
Don’t clutter up your posts with garbage if you want to be taken seriously.
Charities are used to launder money, for criminals, and apparently it’s been quite the party, with no end in sight.
Given Oprah’s connections, (Wright, Obama, et al) she’s suspect.
Those people are corrupt, period, it’s about money, and you should Google, too.
Really, don’t be naive.
I guess I can’t vote vor B.O. because it sends the wrong message. I can’t allow that disgraceful behavior to triumph if I can help it.
Besides I’m not convinced he’s not equally as bad a choice as McCain. Who knows what he would do? He won’t say.
I’m not sure that wrecking the Democratic Party is such a bad thing, though. I’d like to see a new party –one not tethered to old boulders like Reid and Pelosi and Kennedy, etc., etc., etc.
The Democrats have disappointed me so many times over the years. And now we have a Democratic Party leadership that sits silently by while the last Democratic Presidency, the one that left us with a surplus, gets trashed on the campaign trail.
In my opinion, the Democratic Partyu has been taken over by a sub-species of egomaniacal parasites. There are some exceptions of course but they are powerless.
Hillary at the Mothers Day rally said to trun your TV off and you’ll enjoy the race more.
Come here, and enjoy it even more.
Uncle Sam, you’re going to have to offer up something other than patronizing condescension if you’re going to convince me that everyone who has gone to Wright’s church and has endorsed B.O. is a suspected criminal. And you don’t have it. This is all an ugly smear.
Don’t lose your bearings, people, and start condemning everyone who has supported B.O. If you do, his division of the Party will be successful.
Oh no, you realize that IS fact, right? Anyone who has gone to Obama’s church is the devil. Anyone who has driven down the street in front of his church, even if they didn’t stop in, is the devil. All of these people should be held to account, perhaps even thrown in prison. You just don’t know when they’re all going to rise up against the good white folk in America and demand, well, I don’t know, civility or respect, or perhaps freedom of speech? Oh God, not that!!
You prove it, troll bois.
One, you misread.
Two, if it isn’t true, I will be in the position of proving a negative which I know anyway to be impossible, if it is true, you will.
Over your heads morons?
Isn’t everything?
God, YOU ARE DUMB.
(smiling)
A complete totalitarian takeover of the Democratic Party, complete with purges, centralized, top-down control, and 90 million jack-booted Obamabots marching on Denver, with glassy eyes and set jaws, determined to install their leader.
Oh, great. Democrats can be so very proud of this neo-liberal “movement.”
I feel like a german living in Germany in 1933, watching the political events play out with horror. Maybe I should do like the Obamabots demand and “get the hell out.”
I sure don’t want any part of their totalitarian takeover.
BMC:
What convinces you that this will happen? And where are those 90 million Obamabots?
I’m not convinced and neither is Senator Clinton, who has said that she will throw her support and resources behind Obama if he’s the Dems’ nominee. But she also says that first he has to defeat her, which he has not done. He can’t close the deal; she’s too tough.
cath, cujo, how about those lakers?
Don’t you understand what it means to prove a negative?
Smart people do, you look like a moron.
Uncle Sam -
I just don’t get the “cujo/lakers” remark. Is that supposed to be an insult?
It’s easy to call folks names and it’s an especially good ploy when one wants to avoid asnwering a question asked in good faith. But in the end, it only signals that some of the folks here are as intolerant and divisive as the Obama supporters they criticize.
As I read these well thought out comments I realized that what we experienced and saw in 1968 - 1970 is what will play out again as Obama’s organization eventually fizzles into nothing with lots of chaos and damage in its wake. I was in SDS and a group of us watched in horror as it went up in smoke when the weathermen split. They had no real guiding philosophy or ethics, just psychosis and destruction. It’s a bumpy road ahead but those of us who saw it before can use that experience to keep countering them and educating those around us. Thank god for the internets!
I think there are many Obamazoids like dday who have delusions of grandeur and believe they can hijack the Democratic party in the same way that the ‘movement conservatives’ (in combination with right-wing evangelicals) hijacked the Republican party. In their view, the ‘progressives’ (think the so-called netroots, MoveOn, etc) are the ‘movement’ part of the equation and African-Americans are substituted for the evangelicals (to provide a monolithic voting block).
The problem they’ve got is that this is a personality cult built around Obama. On the other hand, the right-wing take-down of the Republican party took the long view and had been active for over a decade (beginning with Goldwater) before they found their main personality in Ronald Reagan. The right-wing also had a big advantage over the Obama crew in that it actually had a geographic base (the South) from which to build real electoral power.
These ‘progressives’ are blowing smoke if they think they have the power to accomplish the same thing the right-wing did to the old Republican party. They are nothing more than a subset of the original ‘big tent’ Democratic party, without a geographic base or electoral clout outside of internal Democratic party elections. Like their right-wing counterparts they feed on racial resentment (the ‘progs’ on black resentment, the right-wing on white resentment) but the crucial difference is the number of possible adherents to the resentment philosophy is exponentially larger on the right-wing side. Simple demographics.
Street_Parade:
Thank you for that analyis. It actually provides some hope and balance.
Thanks. Remember it takes 2209 delegates to win AND be legitimate (unless BO can convince FL and MI to secede). Hillary fights on.
You know the strangest thing has happened and I would have given long odds against it a year ago. Hillary has pulled the working class back into the Democratic tent and is showing herself to be a tough, no-nonsense fighter. These are the things (be strong, not a wimp and appeal to the working class) that Democrats need to do to win elections, yet they are rarely able.
She’s done it and the Dems should be pinching themselves, because, if they will get out of their own way, they’ve got a winner with coattails. Otherwise, well at least it won’t be a long night the first Tuesday in November. We can all get ready for bed (or a late dinner in California) when they call NEW JERSEY for McCain.
I think you’re trolling cath, distorting the truth to appear on the side of smart people, but to stupid to understand your technique is obvious.
Uncle Sam -
At first I planned to ignore this comment because it’s probably not worth the energy to respond. However, I remember how frustrated I was when John Kerry didn’t go directly back at the rotten organization that swiftboated him, so…
You’re absolutely wrong when you remark “I think you’re trolling cath, distorting the truth to appear on the side of smart people, but to stupid to understand your technique is obvious.”
No trolling on my part. Count on it. And I am not stupid, so don’t make that accusation. You do not even know me. In fact, apologizing would be the nobler thing to do.
I came to No Quarter because it provides an alternative to the anti-Hillary bias at other blogs that I used to enjoy (e.g., TPM, Huffington Post, Mark Kleiman). However, it’s obvious that people can behave as badly and intolerantly here as at those other sites.
If you want to accuse about trolling, fine. You might even want to get me kicked off because I actually question some of what I read here. That’s so very democratic and tolerant.
That said, I still support Senator Clinton until she either wins or says it’s over. Accusations of trolling won’t change that.
When was your last donation to Hillary’s campaign, or when did you last phone bank for her? I donated this afternnon.
Crap, it reads like a Nazi takeover prior to the Night of the Long Knives.
This is worse than “Citizen Kane” and “Manchurian Candidate” put together. That was Hollyweird, this is for real.
Who’s scripting this bad movie? It’s not the GOP (it has a mess of it’s own on it’s hands — like trying to keep the lights on). I could say it’s the Far-Left, but they showed in 30 years they’re more like Rohm’s SA than Himmler’s SS (rabble rousers) — even if they could put their bong down long enough.
Whatever it is, this cult of personality is trying to destroy one of the two main parties of the USA. Destroy, because there’s no way in hell that Obama can win the GE, when so many of the 66% of the White vote wouldn’t vote for him. Hillary has the Hispanic and Asian vote to compensate for “White flight” to Obama, even. Throwing the election on purpose would also be so illegal that the DNC would be total imbeciles to try to pull that heist off. That’s not rioting, that’s actual civil war.
Folks don’t get cocky unless they got some sort of nod, and if the DNC is giving one side of the campaign insider info at the expense of the other, I hope the M.O. is spilled before the convention. Because even I would be there protesting against that shit. Partisanship aside, some things just don’t get crossed. >:(
The more I see of WW2 Japan, and the Nazis, well, those Nazis were STUPID, less monster, more moron.
I always remember the MASH where Hawkeye mocked Hitler, and it was spot on.
And if our Dads felt contempt and scorn for Hitler, as opposed to fear, well, I guess we should, too.
Here’s what I know….
The Obamites better respect Hillary. All she has to do is say “Let’s go.” and half this party will follow her anywhere.
To put it in perspective - Kennedy and Kerry said Obama, and Massachusetts said “Clinton” to those two Senators.
Two words - and “POOF” - all those weasels are powerless.
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Exactly.
This is politics.
Why she’s not backing down. She has a very strong showing, and a loyal base — and a new one of GOP voters, even.
If she goes independent, joins the LP, or forms another party, any would finally have a “star” candidate to make either viable.
Hmmm, come to think of it, she’s really better off with the Libertarians. That’s basically the demographic she’s pulling — God, Guns and social progress (and almost no Blacks). And Libertarians are all over the map, Far-Left to Far-Right, all the elbow room she needs.
Ah, wishful thinking. She won’t bolt.
Did anybody see “Land of the Blind?” It’s violent, graphic, and strange. Anyway, a fascist regime from the Right is running the country and there’s a violent revolution to over throw them because they’re horrifying. When the Leftie revolutionaries finally seize power, people wake up and discover nothing has really changed. Fascism is still fascism. Power is still power. Progressives with unchecked power are just as evil as anyone else.
Anyway, I see a lot of that movie in Obama supporters and this alleged “movement” that people seem to want. Just like the movie, they’re already justifying things they used to abhor, because it’s okay to bend what you stand for in the name of The Chosen One. At all costs…means exactly that. Disenfranchise voters, promote sexism, advocate violence, it’s all okay because it’s for The Cause.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Blind_(film)
Read this article about Obama and the “Presidential Cult.” It’s scary stuff and we need to do everything we can to keep this man from power.
http://internet.cybermesa.com/~melcher/PresidentialCult.html
yheitman -
Thank you. Good essay. I checked out some of Melcher’s other writings and they were pretty thoughtful as well. What he writes about presidential power and the cult of personality should make us very wary — perhaps not so much of Obama himself, but of some who support him so blindly.
I read the post in Hullabaloo and it took my breath away. My first thought was, “Is that wacko Johnathan Goldberg actually on to something with his liberal fascism thing?”
Ah, Hullabaloo, any Motown?
Wrong Hullabaloo?
If I feel scorn and contempt for K**, I feel just as much for his republican counter part.
All of them are whiny babies, trying to find validation in the eyes of others, their lives spent trying to prove a lie by diminishing others, and still failing.
BTW, to suggest “they” won is bit premature, they war isn’t over yet, when those idiots can’t figure out how they’re being trolled, now, right?.
Uh huh, that’s right.
Ask them how to solve the war, and they can’t.
The far left are seething with self righteousness and hatred for this country. They can’t stand it that anyone disagrees with their great wisdom, and when all worked up, they loose contact with reality.
Last time, they ignored the winner take all system and third grade arithmetic, obsessed on the fanatsy of proportional representation, and put George Bush in office.
Now they’re infuriated that other democrats would dare to question their brilliance, or suport the most experienced and knowledgeable candidate.
They got away with it both times only with support from the msm, which doesn’t want strong liberals in office.
oh, just like an empty headed jet set republican.
Uh huh.
(smiling)
I Have a Suggestion That’ll Knock Your Socks Off,How About All Of Us Who Dispises Mr Obama Send As Many e-mails As Possible And Ask Senator Clinton Would She Consider Running As An Independent Candidate,Because Anything Short Of A Miracle I Don’t See Her Being Supported By The Remaining Superdelegates,Even Though This Has Been In The Cards For Some Time Now
If That’s Not Suffice I Guess I’ll Be Voting For John McCain Aswell,Their’s Noway In Hell That I Would Even Ponder The Idea Of Supporting A Mr Obama Candidacy.It’s Obvious To Myself That No Matter What Negatives Mr Obama Is Perceived To Endeavor,It Just Rolls Right Off His Shoulder’s.
And One More Thing Why Are White America Voting For This Fool,Please Tell Me Why,Because That’s The Only Way He’s Managing To Win States Like NC By Over 200,000 Almost 300,000 Votes.The Demographic’s Are Clear AA’s Only Make Up 12.2% Or 34.7 Million Of The US Population Consensus 2004,While Whites Make Up 67.3 Or 192.3 Million People, Source Consensus 2004,Hispanic’s Make Up 14% Or 44.0 Million People,And That’s Just The Household Alone.This Were From 2004 At The Time The US Population Was 285 Million It Has Since Grown To Roughly A Little Over 304 Million People Who Resides In American,s Households.And That’s Not Counting The Over 12,000,000 Illegals That Has Rights Aswell To Vote Or If Not Mr Obama Will Surely See To It That They Have That Right And The Same One’s That You And Me Have,Now Wouldn’t That Just Be Fantastic.
It’s Just That Over These Last 16 Months I’ve Grown To Admire Senator Clinton For The Determination,The Humility,And The Fight That She Has In Her For This Country’s Personal Welfare,And If It Takes Running As An Independent To Get My Vote,I Hope And Pray That She Would At Least Consider The Possibility,How Bad Could It Be……Let’s Say An Barack Hussein Obama Presidency
It’s so sad to see the negative remarks about Obama’s supporters being likened to being a cult. My demographics are I am a retired, 68 years old, caucasian woman. When I saw Obama speak at the Dem Con 2004 I was so excited. What he said was what had been in my mind for many years since the Bush illness descended upon our country. I said then “I want to vote for that man for my President one day”. Also, I noted that some of the things the Democratic party had done during the Clinton years was adversely affecting the poor and middle class. As our jobs were being shipped overseas thanks to the “Free Trade” agreements, I wondered who is speaking for us? The lobbyists seemed to get everything they wanted, but the citizens voted, and no one listened. I read Barack Obama’s writings, listened to his speeches and discovered he is our lobbyist. He is speaking for us. I must admit that I was torn between John Edwards and Obama, but never for Hillary. I would vote for her if she were our candidate, but she’s not. I was very unhappy to see the way she was and is running her campaign. Those painful Swift Boat days from the Republican party seemed to be a part of her campaign. I used to check out Larry’s blog when the crimes against Joe Wilson and his wife were perpetrated by Cheney and Rove. I’m very saddened to read such twisted writings about the supporters of Obama. Very, very sad.
You know, rather than spend the time responding to your troll, I can only tell you by trolling you’re trying to prove a lie, since the information you gave was false.
BUT, given as the larger war is to stop activities such as yours, troll on, because you really don’t know if you’re being provoked to troll.
And you can’t see past your little effort, because you can’t even understand HOW, and WHY your methods are failing, have failed, if your LOSSES are perhaps trolled.
So, troll on.
And right there, its now too difficult for the republicans to handle.
Oh, you thought it was weekend at Bernie’s?
Poor things.
I think smearing your opponents as racists qualifies as some of the more reprehensible ’swift-boating’ I’ve ever seen.
Oh and I suggest you google Austin Goolsbee and Milton Friedman to get a little preview of Obama’s free trade policy. Several of his top economic advisors are also quite keen to privatize social security. Yep, he’s a friend of the working class, no doubt about it.
I judge people by actions, not their speeches and the books they write. Ask Alice Palmer about what a Prince Obama is — she could tell you a thing or two.
did you read the article? does it disturb you?
Check for pulse. Fuck his speeches, all of them. He had speech writers, he practiced in front of a mirror and had handlers who told him what to do.
JUST LIKE BUSH!
Trust the Clintons! They gave us RESULTS, they have been vetted and proven.
READ the archives here and on other Clinton sites.
Obama is an abomination.
Obama followers are scary in that their mantra is so uniformly redundant. Symptom of being a victim of a cult of personality as I have previously opined.
Facts do not filter.
Reality is rebuffed.
Transference unto a false god is not recognized.
It is amazing to watch/read/listen to these individuals who attempt to defend someone that they themselves clearly know so little about. It is a monumental tragedy.
It is left to those of us who are impermeable to this demagoguery to defend our democracy and our country above all else.
Hillary 08
Sharon -
I’m guessing you mean Jonah Goldberg. He’s a crackpot. He’s easily confused by communism and fascism and uses these polar opposites interchangeably.
He actually should say totalitarian, which like BO’s followers is a “you’re either with us or against us” viewpoint. Also think GWB on the far right.
It’s totalitarian thinking that takes hold at either the far left think Communist/Mao/Stalin and at the far right think facism/Mussolini/Hitler.
It’s a frightening mindset that allows for no free-thinking, which is why followers sound brainwashed, or zombie-like.
If people were allowed to use their brains they would quickly see how insane the propaganda is.
Sorry fascism.
Now I finally understand the link between Obama and Bill Ayers! What they couldn’t achieve by violent street action in the 1960s-70s, they’re going to try to achieve through electoral subversion. The revolution really will be televised, you just won’t recognize it when you see it. Obviously, Obama is a stalking horse, and if this scheme succeeds, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are plans to dispense with him once he is no longer needed.
My head just exploded. If I am reading this right Obama is writing the book “Revolution for Dummies” and the lemmings are falling for every word of it?
Every step of the way this election year has served to make me more and more wary of the incredible dangers our society faces from this man. He and his kingmaker Axelrod and the rest of his psychotic crew, those who trained him as well as those who brought him to this point of power have given us a Frakenstein monster that must be defeated.
A Fascist, London-Run Coalition Is Moving in for the Kill Against the U.S., Now
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/05/09/larouche-warns-there-fascist-coalition-run-london-moving-kil.html
Obama’s Backers Make Their Threat
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/05/10/obamas-backers-make-their-threat.html
FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS!!!! PLEASE SEE THIS:
http://my.opera.com/Vorlath/blog/2008/05/09/who-is-the-safe-choice-for-the-white-house
That was super interesting Yheitman.
yheitman -
That is an encouraging analysis. Any ideas on ways we can get it to the Superdelegates who seem to be rolling over for Obama?
Thank you for the link. I need some good news right now.
Latest poll in another state Barry doesn’t need.
WV 66-23
More good news. Thank you.
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Let’s all get ready for Obama’s nomination, and to those of you who would rather vote for McBush, good riddance!
great comment by commenter chancellor over at talkleft:
and as an FDR/WJC dem, you can bet i’m pissed the hell off at this shit. obama’s a 3rd party impostor trying to hijack the democratic party. i’m so angry i could spit nails.