Terry McAuliffe Blames Howard Dean for the Florida Mess
By SusanUnPC on May 12, 2008 at 7:42 PM in Barack Obama, DNC, Delegates, Democrats, Florida, Howard Dean
I tell you, between watching more and more of Fox News and reading more and more conservative blogs, I’m having to check myself to make sure I’m not getting unduly influenced by the right. (Not really, but I find that I get a lot more news and realistic appraisals by exposing myself to a broader spectrum than the narrow views of “liberal” thinking.) Anyway, once again, it’s a conservative blog that notes McAuliffe’s on-mark criticisms of Dean and expresses it just right:
From Hot Air blog:
Schieffer’s trying to play gotcha with McAuliffe here [on Sunday's CBS Face The Nation], and he’s correct in his assertion at the end that McAuliffe’s political interest plays largely into this analysis. Schieffer misses the point, though, and McAuliffe has this correct. …
The DNC and its chair went overboard in disciplining the two states, creating a mess that has enabled Hillary Clinton to continue her campaign againt Barack Obama and cover herself in the mantle of Florida 2000. She can now claim to champion the disenfranchised voters who went to the polls in good faith, while the Democratic establishment has to now argue for disenfranchisement. It makes a mockery of their rhetoric after the debacle in Florida during the 2000 general election, when they fashioned themselves as the defender of the individual voter (while attempting to block military ballots).
Republicans avoided the problem while still disciplining the states that attempted to hijack the primary schedule. They cut their delegate counts by half, diluting their impact on the nomination and on the platform and rules votes during the upcoming convention. By doing so, they completely avoided the credentials fight that the Democrats must now resolve.
Dean has proven himself completely inept at chairing a national party. …
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The last sentence is probably one of the truest things I have ever read. Dean screwed this up big time! And Brazile who led the charge and sought to set an example of the rule breakers.
Dean is uttely INCOMPETENT, and I was so stupid to be a fan of him in 2000.
The first big mistake was the rules and by laws committee stripping them of their delegates.
Then, after Super Tuesday, it was apparent that Florida and Michigan should be resolved. What did Dean and DNC do? Put their head in the sand and HOPED that the problem will go away.
Dean doesn’t have much real power, but he certainly has a megaphone. He could have cut a deal with the state parties regarding the primaries and told the campaigns to deal with it.
The whole mess can demonstrate to voters how incompetent and spineless democrats are, and defeat them in November.
HOPE it goes away - good one.
Yeah - for a while I was defending the DNC telling people don’t talk about voting GOP! The DNC is going to resolve this! They will work it out within the Party. Then I saw how they were willing to not count the votes at all and also not allow a do over! and I was flabbergasted.
a deal is supposedly already done or in the works….i got a letter saying as much today but i am not at liberty to post it..and it doesn’t look good to me..
fly..a 2004 elected delegate of the State of Florida..
Dean is concerned the party is divided?
Then why did he let Obama operatives turn the democratic blogs into Clinton hate mills?
He thought after being kicked in the head for 6 months, we would eagerly jump on the Obama bandwagon?
I hate jumping to bash Dean because I don’t know the whole story. But based on the superficial knowledge I have, he looks like a major villain. It just seems like he used his position and our primary for personal vendetta against the Clintons.
I agree with you……. Dean is someone who is hiding and donna brazile is an Obama supporter so why should she not support Dean…
It’s not enough that I’ve endured months of witnessing “Hillary hate” in the media, on the Internet, etc., and had to listen to calls of “F—-g whore” and “bitch” and “c—t” hurled at the candidate I support. Obama is a ma who has inspired slogans like “Bros before Ho’s” and who, in appearances made after his Pennsylvania debate with Clinton, “flipped off” his opponent and her whole gender. You expect him to defend our rights?
I very much doubt that your choice will win the presidency if he is the candidate. He is no match for McCain and Huckabee (the Republicans’ probable vice presidential nominee). Unlike Hillary, your guy does not connect with and cannot win over the bulk of mainstream working people in America. Huckabee, who is rooted in the religious right and sees women as the “servants of men” is perceived as a “populist” who can “talk the talk” with everyday working people. We need Hillary, with her proven ability to connect with working Americans, in the race to avoid defeat in November.
“Congratulate yourselves on helping the Democrats once again fulfill their historic mission by seizing defeat from the jaws of victory once again.”
I’m beginning to think that $$ have influenced Dean in some way. I’m almost sure Donna Brazile is bought. I still think Hillary gets the nom no matter what is being portrayed in the press. There is no way the SD’s can be quite so irresponsible as to select BO. Blacks will easily come back. If they look at everything, there is really nothing Hillary did to make them support Barack. Wait until they (my own people) find out how they were herded by DB.
Dang video doesn’t work.
Works now though. Weird.
Dean is responsible for the MI and FL mess. But then he does nothing about Donna Brazille’s big mouth either and her alienation of the Clinton supporters. He’s a very weak leader for such an important position.
A bit off topic but I thought this article was interesting.
Strong Majority Of African Americans Want Unity Ticket
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:04:49 PM EST
This is a wonderful finding from an ABC/WaPo poll:
Clinton continues as the preferred choice as Obama’s running mate, with 39 percent of Democrats saying they’d like him to pick her if he’s the nominee. That peaks at 59 percent of African-Americans, 47 percent of Clinton supporters and 42 percent of women (vs. 34 percent of men).
There’s also an indication that Clinton on the ticket would be a slight net plus in the general election: Among all Americans, more say having her run with Obama would make them more likely to vote Democratic (25 percent) than to vote Republican (18 percent). The rest (54 percent) say it wouldn’t make a difference in their choice.
It turns out that the only people against a Unity Ticket are Ted Kennedy, Mark Cohen and Creative Class bloggers. Obama’s strong African American base want unity as do Clinton supporters. The divisive ones are people like Kennedy, Cohen and the Creative Class bloggers. I must admit I feel vindicated by this finding.
By Big Tent Democrat
It turns out that the only people against a Unity Ticket are Ted Kennedy, Mark Cohen and Creative Class bloggers
And me. He will drag her down like an anvil, politically. Obama is about to become the most hated man in America, by anyone who has fundamental reasoning ability.
I’m not including AAs. I think there is a loyalty issue there, nurtured by years of unequal treatment. I can’t begin to judge that.
Agreed.
No entitlement.
Start treating people like special children, and this is the result: a ready made mob, loyal to handouts.
Those “down-scale” Blacks aren’t seeing Obama as some hero (heck, ask the gang bangers; rappers; and hip hop stars what they think about REAL Black heros like MLK, Jr; Booker T. Washington; George Washington Carver; Harriet Truman and more — it’s not praise, because being a pimp with his pimped out ride and flashy cash and hos’, are more important). This “new generation” is seeing payback and some other freebies. They know Dems help to give it to them, as that’s what they’re good for — taxing and spending other folks money, especially the “White guilt” crowd that pays most of the taxes.
It’s like a whole swath of America is blind to this shell game. Like they’re shocked and surprised about “Black Liberation Theology” — when no one is touching Black Muslim militantism either, when they are more of a threat than Hamas, they’re all over in those prisons that about 25% of Black boys and men are incarcinated.
Should be a requirement that everyone live in the South for a year to see all the above in practice. Maybe, just maybe, THEN we can put this cancer to rest.
One thing to address past evils, it’s another to use it as some crutch and baseball bat. More Dems keep buying, “Oh, those poor people” the sooner you’ll find Mr. Pimp putting a 9mm to your head asking for “Mo’ money”, and your fellow Dem next door, saying, “Payback is a bitch, isn’t, Home boy?!”
Wake up folks. It’s not a partisan thing.
You know, I’m a black woman myself, but I’ve never heard it put so properly into words; eventhough I’ve said this myself for years. I abso-freakingly-lutely, AGREE.
and me, i would have to turn my back on hillary if she decided to run for vp with obama, it would turn my view of her upside down.
I WOULD VOTE AGAINST HER….
but i believe the african american community like everyone else supporting him, have been informed, that he will never win without hillary’s people.
especially if we vote mccain…
OH AND THEN THEIR IS THE ‘GUILT’, THEY’VE BEEN UNTRUE YOU KNOW…
I am with you SMKF
I will not vote against Hillary persay….yet I will NOT vote for the Democrats if Obama is anyway on the ticket. I don’t care if Hillary is on top of the ticket!
I do not want that man near our white house!
me neither!
ditto
No unity ticket for me. She doesn’t need him if she wins the nomination and she sure as hell should never, ever take a backseat to him. Just the thought makes my blood boil!
I have the utmost respect and admiration for Hillary Clinton, but I wouldn’t vote for Obama if Jesus Christ were his veep nominee. And I can’t see Michelle allowing this anyway should O get nominated.
He will drag her down like an anvil, politically
Yes, this is another effort to court HRC voters. Their resistance to BO is apparently having a negative effect on his campaign or they wouldn’t be floating this idea.
But the idea of being lectured to by the GOP about fair elections… don’t.make.me.laugh
If Hillary falls for the bait, she’ll be dragged down and blamed for The One’s fall.
Best that she either is nominated, or sit it out. McCain did, and despite the pounding the GOP gave him in 2000, he’s now the nominee.
That way when Barry falls, he’ll fall on his own petard — as the Hillary loyal aren’t around to prop that loser up.
i would not vote for Obama even if Hillary is slated as VP..he would keep her neutered ..and she would be powerless..and he on the other hand would still be the leader of the most powerful nation in the world..no thanks..i can not do that one!
he is a crook..and a dangerous crook..
When i began working politics after 9/11 i did so for the security of all The flying public and all those on the ground under those aircraft..i did it for the security of all Americans..obama is not qualified to be president and to supply the nationakl security for a gant..let alone the Flying public..
no way no how can that man be president..he is a damn crook..and a lying sack of crap..and a damn cheater too boot.
No ..he can not be president.
end of story!
fly
that would be gnat…
I concur! he will drag her down like a ton of bricks!
Too bad. I hope Clinton doesn’t demean herself. Obama has demeaned her enough already, as has the entire party. Why should she bail them out???
If she took VP I would lose the respect I’ve developed for her. Don’t do it, Hillary!
I agree Gloria!
Hillary will be more effective in a different role….not VP.
Clinton = President and Obama = VP might be tolerable. But not the other way around.
Not for me.
I won’t vote for him in any way shape or form.
Something very solid inside me is guiding me on this.
I am right there with you sister. I opposed the War in Iraq from the get go and the same voice is telling me he is a con artist.
Me neither — my gut feeling is solid — No Obama No Way!
The last thing I want is a “unity’ ticket. I am not going for the superior woman holding up the mediocre man. I bet none of them asked Hillary what she thinks. I will not vote for Barack Obama for president no matter who is on his ticket. I feel he is just too dangerous for me and my country. His conflict of interest leads me to the middle east, where I don’t want to go, thanks. I keep saying this, but I believe it, if this goes for him, she will let him hang alone and revisit on the I Told You So Party in four years. Hillary Clinton didn’t bust her ass to be a useless VP.
Exactly, see my post. AAs are now worried that he won’t win and they want a winner on his ticket to make him win — how self-serving is it? I say no way!
The sad thing is children will cry until they get their way, or threaten to have a temper tantrum (riots).
To bad the riots aren’t countered with more Korean shop keepers armed with AK-47s. When more businesses don’t count on insurance to pay off what looters carry off and destroy, the less likely the unruly will want to have their “five finger discount” fantasies.
I don’t like the VP option for Clinton at all. It is the age old sexism of a more qualified female candidate having to sacrifice for the greater good. It is not a good choice and not an inspiration to girls to say this is ok. We have an abundantly more qualified candidate than Obama in Clinton and because of the stupidity of the party elite, the bias of the media, she is now being denied her rightful position and if she is forced to contemplate something inferior and beneath her, it is not a good. That BTD at talkleft is a bit of a pompous guy (I’m holding back, can’t you see..).
That has all the markings of a group of people who want their cake and to eat it as well. These people obviously know that Obama is a screw up who won’t look out for the socioeconomically disadvantaged so they want Clinton as VP because she will. Regardless of how they are currently voting I truely believe these people know the score.
One of the real problems with Obama’s candidacy is that he is woefully qualified for the position and the risidual effect might be to disqualify well qualified and dynamic AA leaders in the near future simply because of their heritage. This may be doubly problematic if Obama actually wins and is a clusterfuck of a president. AA’s simply want to hedge their bets because they know that Clinton is the far superior candidate when it comes to protecting their own interests.
Obama would use hrc as a scapegoat for all his “bonedheaded” mistakes if she were vp. I pray she will NEVER accept such an offer if it comes to that.
And who better than someone who isn’t even Black?
You’ll see the same with Tiger Woods. Despite that golf class IS the most racist I’ve seen (and I mean real racism, not just labeling a sneeze it), they like him because he’s not Black-Black, and they can use him as a token.
Remembered what an avid White woman golfer said about Tiger after winning the Green Jacket (Augusta National): “Don’t you think he’ll look like a Christmas tree with that jacket on?”
Which is basically what Barry is, a “Christmas tree token” to this power base, but the Black community is putting that down “FOR HISTORY!”, as they’re groomed to keep up with the status quo (by the bible; their segregated churchs and neighborhoods).
Powers-that-be mold society to their liking, and jiggling the bait enough folks are going to bite (just look at the media, and how they exploit sex to their advantage).
I am against a Unity ticket. Obama is dirty — Hillary should not be on a ticket with him and get tarred with the same brush.
A large number of the regular commenters at TalkLeft continue to disagree with BTD’s numerous calls for a Unity Ticket.
Many, if not most, are old feminists like me that see a unity ticket with Clinton accepting a secondary position to a lesser qualified man as an insult and completely out of the question.
It is a reaffirmation for all the women that have ever been told to get that one necessary step behind a man that they are second class citizens.
I have no doubt that many liberal women will support this idea because they accept being second class citizens every day of their lives. Some of us have to live with it, but we don’t accept it and we never will.
BTD cares about the good of the party. I say if the party doesn’t have a place at the top for a woman then screw the party!
Some men don’t see that and never will. Some women don’t care and never will. Many of us do and we aren’t going down without a fight and we will not jump on a bandwagon that we think is going the wrong way just because it is “supposedly” a Democrat’s bandwagon.
We may lose, hell we’re used to that. Anyone heard anything about that little thing called the Equal Right’s Ammendment lately? Thought not.
Screw Obama, his surrogates, his supporters and the Democratic Party. They do not speak for or to me.
You certainly are vindicated, BTD. And you definitely changed my mind on the topic.
What I feel is also obvious from this information is that the AA community does not view the Clintons as racists, and that implication by Obama surrogates was never anything more than an unjustified threat to the DNC.
I feel vindicated, too.
As long as HRC heads the ticket. Blacks will not object to this.
I Sorry But I Can’t Agree With That,Mr Obama Need’s To Be Nowhere Near The Whitehouse,He’s To Slimy And His Pimp.I Agree With D4Hillary They (Our People) Will Return And If Not We Only Make Up 12% Of The National Population,And 49% Of That Is In Republicans District.
Here’s The Real Math AA’s Make Up 12% Of Obama’s Voter’s Which Is Roughly Since 2004 When The Consensus Were Done 1.3 Million People Out Of An Estimated 285.7 Million Total People,Which Has Now Grew To A Little Over 304 Million,Whites Make Up 69.9% Since 2004 Of The National Population,Now That Number Is Around 73.3% And African American’s Is Around 1.7 Million Since 2004.
And Hispanic,s Is 14% Since 2004,But Now Averages Around 2.1 Million People,So With This Mathematics I Don’t See Mr Obama Being Anywhere Near K Street,And His Pimp.Now If You Flip The Script Then I Could Possibly Live With That If It’s Alright With Senator Clinton,And I Would Still Have To Give That Some Consideration.Let’s Not Forget Here How She Were Treated By The Media,The Blogs,Her Supposingly Loyal Friends,Who Turned Out To Be Cutthroats.
And By Mr Hussein Himself And Now They Wannnnaaa Make Nice I Say To Hell With Mr Obama,Let Him Work His Ass Off Like Senator Clinton Did For Over 35 Years,And Yes She Deserves The Presidency,She Worked Hard For It,And What Exactly Did You Say Mr Obama Had Accomplished Since He Comandeered The US Senate From Alice Palmer And A Host Of Other Candidates.
That’s What I Thought Not A Single Dam Thing,Which By The Way Is What He Would Do In The Whitehouse.
Schieffer’s a hua.
“[Senator Clinton can] claim to champion the disenfranchised voters who went to the polls in good faith…”
She doesn’t just claim it. She does champion disenfranchised voters. Barack claims it.
Remember: Only 2209 delegates is legit!
But doesn’t that imply that 53% of Clinton supporters DO NOT favor her as a VP for Obama and 58% of women DO NOT favor her as VP?
Speaking only for myself I want her to have no part of him. Not. a. single. thing.
I’ll take her any way, I can’t stand the Unity Pony, but I can’t let Hillary down if she’s VP.
Sure I’ll be pissed, because she is 1,000,000 to the 10th power more qualified, prepared and ready for what’s at stake. But I’ll take her anyway she can.
Are you an Obama shill ?
Take her anyway she can? As a secondary, marginalized, one step behind an under-qualified man? Why would you, why would she accept this?
And if she did do you believe for one moment that Obama and his advisers, that have attacked her so viciously, would allow her one damn moment to outshine their puny little man? What’s wrong with you woman? Have you no pride?
Ditto for me. I trust her judgment.
If she thinks this would move us forward, by inches, then I’ll accept it.
I so think she’s heads above him.
But I do trust her judgment about leading the country.
Yes, it does mean that majority of Clinton supporters and women don’t want her to take the VP position — it annoys me that these surveys put out numbers that suit them rather than the truth. As I said before it is the majority of the AAs wanting the unity ticket — maybe they realize now he can’t win on his own. Where were they when Clinton needed them?
I would rather have Hillary in any role other than VP…..she can not be with that man.
Let the new Democratic party run their candidate!!!
I and the majority of voters will vote for McCain.
Dems (without the elitist leadership) can try again in 2012.
Keep Obama away from the White House
exactly - keep him AWAY!
I agree keep Obama away from the White House.
AMEN …
The last thing she needs for the tireless campaigning she has done is to be marginalized by her tormenters.
Let them lose on their merits. John McCain will do so much less damage in four years than Barack.
Was saying this for the “global warming” types, but it also applies here with statistics…
You know those numbers also tell us something — the supporters who don’t want her in the VP position also don’t want to vote for Obama — of course this is an inference but perhaps true. 53% of Clinton supporters!
The Democratic Party handled Michigan and Florida as if they were reading from the Book of Mao. And The One played it like a good communist party protege - taking his name off of the ballot. (Has any American President ever taken his name off of a primary ballot?)
Meanwhile, the Republicans treated the citizens of Michigan and Florida as if they lived in the United States of America.
I’m not so sure the Democrats should count on Michigan in November.
They are practicing for Obama.
Have you seen the pics of Obama’s head over the rising sun montage used in Mao’s propaganda posters, of late?
Not only will these Far-Left Red Guard types will quote Mao, they even fashioned a representation of Mao II in images!
At this stage, it’s not Hamas we have to worry about, it’s these Maoists (which unlike these splinter groups, actually ran a country and murdered them by the millions — more than Nazi Germany, even).
But to do so, the DP will have to be reinvented, because it has tolerated anarchists; Communists (with their trade unions); Marxists and every other radical political philosophy known to man. Which is why the angst is centered around Hamas, as that’s a new radical belief that grandma dyed-in-the-wool Union worker didn’t engage in — that’s “fair game”.
American politics is a mess of these minefields. Especially when folks don’t want to disarm them, as it’s “family you’re talking about!!!!”
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Obama’s May 20 Bash: A Cynical Replay of Election Night 2000
Posted on May 12, 2008 by GRL
Think not??
I’ll take you back to that fateful night in a moment.
But first, listen to strategist David Axelrod on WCCO, the CBS affiliate in Minneapolis, MN the night of the May 8 Indiana and North Carolina primaries. (The video is the top left “thumbnail” located just above the video player in the event the current news plays rather than the Axelrod video; you will also have to endure a short Coldstone Creamery ad).
MORE MORE MORE in the blog post…..tell me it ain’t true!!!
That was not Axelrod in the video (the guy who said inside baseball of delegate situation). I could not even get through what he was saying — it is so wrong. It is an affront to the SDs and I hope they will exercise independent judgment and prove these jokers for the fools they are by voting for Hillary. If that was a reporter talking in that video, it is even worse than I thought it was.
Thank you for stating my suspicion of the DNC and DEAN are valid. It seems the left-wing of this party is hell-bent on shoving Obama down our throats. Senator Clinton has over 16 MILLION VOTES, but that does not seem to matter to this party. In fact, many party members, including members of the House and Senate continue to suggest Clinton step aside. Happily, tomorrow WEST VIRGINIA votes. Perhaps, the results of that contest will give Obama surrogates pause for thought. Let there be no doubt, further attempts to demonize Clinton by Obama zombies WILL DIVIDE THIS PARTY!!
The division is done. It’s 1972. Bye Bye Democrats. See you in a decade or so when a moderate shows up and wins. That is, if you stumblebums don’t get in the way. Again.
Ladies and Gentlemen: Adult don’t let off the cliff radicals and children pick presidents. How many times does it have to be proven to these half wits? The more this man’s past and affiliations play out, the more his followers act like bullies and Ohhhh Rahhhhhh Hitler youths at a rally, the more frightened the middle becomes. And they solve the problem at the polls. The majority of this party is MODERATE. They will cross over to the Old Man. How many times do they have to help hand us our ass on a plate before we get it?
Going over the 2000 primary and GE voting counts, yep!
But I warn Dems, popular vote counts and all don’t matter, because 2000 showed it didn’t (right or wrong folks can’t change history — they’ll try to rewrite it, but history IS history!).
What has Obama done for me? So why should I support him?
My thoughts exactly.
Well, he a gave a speech against the war once, to a bunch of his neighbors, back when he was a state senator and could vote “present” on controversial issues. Don’t forget that.
Of course, we don’t have an actual RECORDING of that speech, but we do have a reenactment recording, with added sound effects of the crowd cheering.
Hmmmm…….FREE IPODS FOR CRACKERS WHO VOTE FOR OBAMA….
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With an embossed Obomba logo???
Take the “So why should I support him?” out of the sentence, and use the rest as a slogan (and on the ‘net, as a sig [which I wished this blogged had/allowed!]). It’s catchy, and gets to attention.
It’s an “above the fold” type headline, actually.
The Obamatics can’t think, so questions are your answers.
Better yet, what the hell has Obama done for anyone other than himself? He seems to have done quite well for himself. What about those he was supposed to be representing when he was a State Senator? What about those he is supposed to be representing now that he’s a United State’s Senator? What the hell has he ever done for anyone?
You are correct. It’s all about him. I think 16.7 million people need to be de-programmed. I wonder what percentage of that number are college students and the professors who teach them.
By June 3, we will get to the conclusion of this primary. If you can go to the hillary website. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/ and volunteer to call voters for the upcoming elections.
We can spread the word around that she is still fighting and to vote for her.
SusanUnPC
Look I too read a very broad range of publications and websites. I find that Pat Buchanan’s The American Conservative as horribly un-pc as it can be sometimes to still turn in some pretty dam good reporting. To be honest they had Barack Obama nailed over a year and a half ago. It pretty embarrassing that other journalist and pundits blantantly have stolen from TAC and especially the depised Steve Sailor, the one guy everybody on the web is supposed to not stand but reads anyway. Even big name liberals like Glen Greenwald and Hendrick Hertzberg have admitted to reading TAC. Greenwald has written an article or two for TAC.
Also Lou Dobbs on both his TV and Radio show has been hammering the Michigan and Florida fiasco daily. He too is especially critical of Howard Dean and too a lesser extent the Obama campaign for playing games.
On his radio show Dobbs has been hammering Howard Dean for months on why can’t there be a revote in FL and MI. Dobbs also is highly critical of MSNBC and CNN!!!! for calling the nomination for Obama. Dobbs keeps asking what the hell is wrong with a brokered convention. Last Dobbs has stated that this should be the very last primary season with caucuses. The purpose of a caucus supposedly to pick the most likely candidate to carry your state in the general election. That sure is not what happened with Obama this year.
Question — what if Obama gets the nomination and alot of crap about his hate America pals comes out and he is forced to give up his nomination, does the first runner up Hillary get to be the Nominee?
Good question. I’m going to post it upthread and see if we can get an answer.
He’s actually too PC for Traditional tastes now. The Zionists got on him, so he tapered his rhetoric when they called him basically a Mel Gibson (both are staunch catholics, but Pat isn’t of Mel’s brand of catholicism — the old old catholicism before Vatican II), and Pat adopts some of the Neo-Con rhetoric to suit them, too.
But Traditionals are more into Traditional conservatism. The stuff before the Neo-Cons and Religious Right took over (where I fault even Pat, who put his Catholicism before country). The stuff that allowed the ERA as a plank in the 1940 election. The stuff that made Lincoln and TR crusaders for rights, and that Teddy was also for women to vote (not drowning them; nor raising a new generation that would rape them — no, I don’t like Teddy Kennedy at all). The stuff about country, and true patriotism — why we DO eat up the John Wayne stuff and don’t think it’s corny; or cry when the anthem is played knowing the real price of freedom.
Neo-Cons came and now what liberals see is the trash on the doorstep. Just like Traditionals see with the liberal brand of radicals.
Old conservatives and old liberals have much more in common: they like their education in the Classics (and lovers of history, that is, unrevised history these “kids” decided to fiddle with) as a guild of actual good government; are about policies not fashion (the “pop” issues of the day, that are as fleeting as a boy’s virginity in a whorehouse); and believe in more measured progress (you know real progress that stands the test of time, not this new label, “progressive”?), as they read, study and uphold the Founders vision of the country — not Marx, not Stalin and certainly not Mao.
We’re not William Kristols or Al Gores, thank you.
Which is why you get either of us in a room, and we can be like friends. Just different ideologies, not different species looking to make each extinct.
Unfortunately, we are rare (even rarer are those who didn’t bite into that Religious-Atheist poison apple). Which is why the “kids” are running the show, to our horror.
It’s official. 64% of the Dems want Hillary to REMAIN in this race.
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/story?id=4837828&page=1
ABC/Wall Street Journal Poll
As one of the pundits on Fox News this morning said “Who knows whats going to happen tomorrow–nobody is ready to see this race over.”
Because the networks are eating up the profits for keeping it all alive.
The pundits want it over, so they can chew out the other side’s butthole (”hey, it’s a living”). The powers-that-be want it over so they can hurry up with their empty-suit (which pockets are filled with their cash), can get on his throne — that toilet he’ll rule of 10001 special interests and terrorists.
Mao would be so proud of what America has turned into. :rolleyes:
Howard Dean spoke about the Florida vote in an interview on NPR Mar. 5th. Below are two exerpts from that interview.
“The problem with Florida, moving forward, was not only was it incredibly disrespectful to all the other states who voted for and kept their word, it also stepped on South Carolina which was our way of including large numbers of African-Americans in the process to select the Democratic nominee, who cannot become president without a large number of African-Americans winning in November.”
And Howard said, “We’re not interested in disfranchising Florida and Michigan voters. They’re important to us. But what we are saying is we have to be respectful of the other 48 states who stuck by the rules, played by the rules and we most certainly have to be respectful of the candidacies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who knew what the rules were, and changing the rules halfway through the game is incredibly unfair to both of those candidates and frankly would split the Democratic Party. So we’re not going to do it.”
Howard vehemently states “So we’re not going to do it.” and ignores the fact that the republican controlled state legislature changed the Florida primary date, not democrats. Clearly Florida voters were tossed over the cliff to enable African Americans in South Carolina to choose our presidential nominee.
That’s what it sounds like to me. Stacked deck.
Dean’s a complete idiot. It was the Republicans in those states who set the primary dates.
Let’s Disenfranchise Democrats for Republicans Dean”
Ah, a shoe drops!
It was ALL PLANNED!
So, did Dean et al give Obama’s camp the green light to play the racist card, too? From his own mouth, he’s showing what level of fraud he’s willing to conduct, as it is.
He needs to go back to the farm. Wouldn’t trust the guy to go back to medicine, he’s like another Mengele. >:(
Oh, and who gave the MSM the game plan?
Makes sense now how lock step they are in trashing Hillary. Fox News didn’t get Dean’s love letter, and the results????
He also ignore the fact that 3 other states moved forward too and suffered no consequences. He counts on people being ill-informed via the media. And mostly, it works. Without an honest media you can never have an honest election.
He also ignores that the rules did not state that MI and FL should be stripped of ALL their delegates. Dean is now as big a liar as Brazile. Hopefully enough Democrats now see that so that these two pinheads are forever relegated to the anonymity they so richly deserve.
It’s harder to know whether Coward or Odonna is crazier. Check out her bitter comments lifted from a Politico column:
During the debate, Donna Brazile, a DNC member from D.C. who was campaign manager for Gore-Lieberman in 2000, said: “I understand how states crave to be first. I understand that they’re envious of the role that Iowa and New Hampshire have traditionally played. And I understand that they would like to see if they can get the candidates to come down and … spend all of their time and the resources and fill their bars — oh, sorry, not the bars! — fill their farms and their barns up with people. But the truth is is that we had a process. … That vote will stand … and send a signal to the people of Florida – which includes my sister, who had to show not one, not two, but three forms of ID in 2000.”
Terry spelled it as is. They should have done what is always done which in any case, is the 50% reduction, not this 100% drama. It’s unconstitutional!
I’m one of those FL voters who went out in good faith as Hillary said, and the DNC will not see a vote from me if Obama is the nominee, FL & MI isn’t counted (in a fair and legal way - not this highway robbery the Obama campaign wants), and if Hillary is on the ticket, either as Pres or VP.
No vote for Obama, I’ll write in Chelsea’s Mama!
It’s FRAUD.
America, you’ve been had by this traitor. The DNC seems to have had planned this all from the beginning — and even willing to close it down, just before Hillary recovers with enough votes to show who’ll be the REAL winner in the GE.
Now who put Dean et al to it? Who wants to throw elections so some nobody with zero anything to be president? Even the GOP got an empty suit with more experience.
What a freaking prick. He’s becoming like another Teddy, ready to sacrifice the party to whoever. With traitors like that, who even needs the GOP, let alone Hamas and Mao???? >:(
Howard Dean seems to lack any finesse in his leadership style. He unleashed Brazile on Florida like a Louisiana pitbull. The damage that was done to the Dem Party for the GE is yet to be seen, but I’d bet my (prime, soon to be paid off)mortgage that Dean will be remembered as the DNC chair who sacrificed a General Election to make the primaries safe for Obama. If he thinks he’s upholding the appearance of being neutral then I’m the Queen of France.
Couldn’t agree more!
Pretty pathetic that ‘they’ are scared ‘they’ won’t win without Hillary on the ticket.
Makes ya wonder who’d have really won it for the the other if they ran #1/#2….
My gut says the only person keeping BO from bringing HRC aboard (with the assumption Dean gives BO the nom.) is Michelle. No way is MO sharin’ that glory.
With all due respect, it also does not make sense for HRC to join BO in a ticket. By now, the electorate has a pretty good idea of what he stands for. He is the genuinely secretive and divisive candidate of the moneyed elite. Joining him will tar her and compromise her values and the Clinton brand name. In fact, BO is bad news to the Democratic Party. Full stop.
That’s what I was getting at. I don’t want HRC to run as #2, at least not with him as #1. If Pelosi wants to run, go for it. What a deserving END to her undistinguished in a national office.
If Hill is going to be number 2 to anyone I would rather it be John McCain.
They will not ask Clinton to be on the ticket because they cannot afford for her to say no.
It’s as simple as that.
yeah, they already asked michelle obama and she doesnt want hillary on her husbands ticket, what nerve….but i dont want hillary on it either and neither does old drunk kennedy. screw the dnc and dean and donna brazille.
Hillary would wield tremendous power in the Senate. If they steal this nomination from Hillary and Obama loses the GE, Hillary will be vindicated. By the time the republicans finish unvailing the “real” Barry Obama and his band questionable Chicago political supporters and surrogates will make it clear that the loss of the WH lies on his and the DNC’s shoulders, not Hillary’s. His career may suffer an unrecoverable blow (now that’s the kind of hope I can believe in!)
If Hillary cannot overcome the forces against her to nail the nomination, she still will be revered and respected upon her return to the Senate and it will be with honor due to her extraodinary run and noble stand on behalf of the people, particularly because she stayed and fought the good fight and withstood an enormous amount of shit from the media, Obama’s camp, the pundits, the so-called progressive community.
The only way they can pin any blame on Hillary (fair or not) is if she does not give a show of “party unity” and campaign for Obama. If she can pull that off without throwing up daily, that in itself will be a major accomplishment. We all know if she doesn’t do this, she will surely be blamed for an Obama loss.
In the end, the way I see it, I’d rather lose with a winner, than win with a loser.
I hope she doesn’t, because Dean et al have committed treason — sabotaging a valid candidate’s election, so they can install a King.
A hundred years ago that would’ve caused a Civil War. Two hundred years ago a REVOLUTION!
What’s the betting that if Obama does get the nomination, and Clinton doesn’t run as VP, she’s blamed for NOT running with him when he loses in November.
99.9% chance. It’s even expected. :rolleyes:
It will never be a token’s fault. Especially one protected by Dean and Donna (sounds like a song, huh?).
Hillary is the toughest politician I’ve seen ever. Truly. Blasted on everything, and she’s still going strong.
That’s the type of president I want. Someone who can roll with the punches, and brass tacks time, won’t hide in a corner until some Kommissar gets back to dictate the next New Order to her.
In the past, Republicans have relied on Progressive newspapers to come out with things they could not.
It’s funny to see this now happening in reverse.
The conservative media didn’t get Dean et al’s treasonous memo.
Fox et al are playing it as a typical campaign over partisanship. Dean et al are playing it by fraud.
The ballot box stuff wasn’t enough. The ABB wasn’t enough. No, this time become actual king makers, and trying to push a literal king in office, hoping a sleepy public over the sideshow tomfoolery won’t notice.
FRAUD.
I wanted to add a caveat to my previous post.
I just wanted to make it clear that I still believe Hillary can win this nomination. She’s capable of it. It’s all a matter of what lenghs will the DNC to in order to take the nomination away from her, regardless of what the majority of citizens want.
Her perserverance has forced them to show their extreme bias against her, which we all know has been breathtaking in its arrogance and cock suredness (no pun intended), that honestly believe that no one is going to call them on it.
I predict that the DNC and Obama and his supporters are going to be in for a major shock to their misogynistic systems come the Convention, when Hillary’s broad coalition of supporters roar their disapproval in protest against Obama and in favor of McCain.
What goes around, comes around and I look forward to delighting in Obama and his gang getting a taste of their own medicine.
Kathleen — I agree I believe Hillary will win the nomination. The undecided SD’s have not budged. After tomorrow they will see once again that Obama cannot win white voters — fatal.
I did something today I thought I would never do. I have been a democrate and a Committee man here in Illinois for most of my adult Life. My Motherand father also were very active in politics here for 40 years. That being said…I resigned today as a Committee man! I was tired of being pressured to support Obama. I was tired of being called a racist by no nothing, snot nosed, X-Box playing juveniles telling me that “CHANGE WAS COMMING”! I am tired of explaining to those Text Message babies, that if one would only educate themselves that they would see that this man does not have their best interest at heart!
It’s like talking to a brick wall! So, I will register as an Independent and let the chips fall where they may. If they think that they no longer need those of us that have given our adult lives to this party, than let them commit this political suicide.
We all know that the AA community along with their enablers will NOT carry the day! let see how long they keep the attention of these “NEW VOTERS”! We all know that they will jump ship for the next fad. Then those like Brazille will have to explain why they need my Native American/Mexican American vote. They can kiss my Red Ass!
Bravo! You may have a stress-free day tomorrow!
Congratulations! It takes guts to stand up for your principles and convictions. It feels good to know you had the courage to do it and rest of them don’t.
Red Dragon 62 — I am proud of you. ^5 ^5
Good for you! No need to put up with bullying from ignorant snots.
But making this big decision and letting go of something that has been such an important part of your life is sort of like dealing with a death in the family.
I’m convinced that the Democratic Party as we know it is dead. Something will replace this thing that was called the Democratic party — but we don’t know yet what this thing will be — or what it will be called.
Dr. Dean is one heck of a doc — his patient is DEAD!
thank you RedDragon62 ..as a floridian and having a hubby who is both a Native American and Hispanic..
(spain)..we will both be leaving the dem party..i however want to make a real point so i will register as a repig for the general and then reregister as indy after the general..i want to hurt the dems..especially Dean and see that many of we floridians are leaving the party..hell if the dems are stealing our votes, like the repigs have, we might as well be repigs..it gets you further in Fla..and when or if any rounding up of activists goes on..i can hope they won’t come get me in the first round!!..lol..
we have beggier blocks of Indies in Fla than dems or repigs..so reregistering indy does not make a statement here.
i want to make a statement.
furthermore..this class of dems does not reflect my values..none of my lifelong dem values..they are cheats and cowards.
they allowed a crook to stay in this white house ..after using my money to gain both houses..they let these crooks sit there and they did nithing to hold them accountable..
they did nothing to get at the real truth of the deaths of my co-workers on 9/11 and two of my neighbors sons..so fuck them..
no more..i want to send a strong statement..and i will do it next wednesday..May 20th if that day Obama declares himself the nominee..then i am finished for good.
My vote means more to me than any possession i own..without it …i am not considered a dem or a repub..or more important..i am not considered an American..that is how i am being treated by the democratic party..it is disrespectful of all Americans..today it is my vote stolen..tommorrow it could and may very well be yours.
I will not stand for this,.it does not reflect any of my values…period.
My husband served in the reserves for 8 years..does he deserve to have his vote stolen?????
Does the largest block of Vets in the nation here in Florida deserve to have their votes stolen????are those dem values??????????
The headquarters for this war is here in Tampa..do all those serving deserve to have their votes stolen??????
Just this past month we have 4 soldiers dead in iraq..from my area..do their families not have the right to have their votes counted???????
We have one of the largest blocks of retired American citizens..do they not deserve to have their votes counted after working their entire lives and raising their families????
I am sorry but this does not reflect “AMERICAN VALUES” LET ALONG DEMOCRATIC VALUES..
Many of our citizens fought in WWII and Korea, and Vietnam and Iraq both times….they fought for their votes..how can we tell them with a straight face ..there votes will not be counted in full for the nominee for president of the USA????????
this is not the America i have known for 56 years..no siree it is not ..and it reflects nothing of any value i hold dear..not one of my values.
fly..with a broken heart and anger now in my heart…i feel like i have no country any longer..why would i not..i am the uncounted.
Do everyone a favor: don’t vote again.
This isn’t payback central — THIS IS A COUNTRY THAT EVERYONE IS INVOLVED IN, AND EVERYONE WHO VOTED HAS MADE IT TO BE THIS SHITHOLE IT IS NOW!
It’s the Dems fault. It’s the Republicans fault. It’s the Libetarians fault. It’s the Greens fault. It’s the Constitution Party’s fault. It’s the Communist Worker’s Party fault.
It’s everyone who took an interest in politics and participated in this crap.
Now what is America is going to do about it?
That’s the question NONE of the voters can answer. Why? Because they’re more interested in BLAMING, not RESOLVING issues.
We have parties that are so full of themselves, Judas looks like a saint. Go join another same party, and collect another 40 pieces of silver. It’ll suit you and everyone else who continues it as “business as usual”.
Just look at these sites even: canned talking points, over and over and over and over. What’s the definition of insanity again? Repeating something often enough and hoping for a different outcome?
Well, there. You have American politics, in it’s nutshell.
Okay. How does one change party affiliation?
I sent an email to the state Democratic party and as Uppity is fond of saying “crickets.” How do you make that happen?
If you want to be 100% sure, move to a state that doesn’t even require it.
You may even enjoy being an Independent — and having fun with a mixed ticket vote.
Radical, huh?
I wish that you would not have stepped down. We need someone like you in Hillary’s corner. If she can take the punches, we all can take the punches. We are in this together!
She deserves better from the media and doesn’t get it. She deserves more from her own party chairman and doesn’t get it. There is very little sugar out there for Hillary. She needs us to stand steadfast with her.
I thought HD was “the man” back in 2000. I am so very thankful that he did not get very far. He has so made a CF out of the whole party that it is probable he would have made a worse mess than Bush out of our country. I just didn’t think that was possible.
We need to get Hillary to the White House. She is the only candidate who has a total understanding of all of our problems and the smarts to do something about them.
Hahaha! I do believe you are right!
Future historians will write books about the phenomenon called, “Clinton Republicans.” Another term will be, “Neo-liberals.” Surprisingly, these people won’t pull the Republican Party to the Center, but hard Right, in order to punish the segments of the electorate who voted for Obama. Even when Hillary is denied the Republican Party nomination in 2012 the Clinton Republicans will remain in the party because they’ll have nowhere else to go.
The true “Peggy Noonan” Republicans hate the Clintons because the Clintons have been such successful *Democrats*. One example would be Social Security. WJC was very strong about making the Social Security system fiscally sound.
She will be running as a DEMOCRAT in 2012. Nice try though.
Some of us are the conservative Right-Right.
Not much further Right to punish me, anyway.
BUT, you may like to take a look at our friendly neighborhood Neo-Confederate running — Bob Barr (L) (notice the change? Told you folks the Libs are aligned with the GOP).
Now he rises because the White vote is being insulted. If he gets a toehold, think Newt (who’s really another Libber, complete with handing out Thomas Paine’s work on the congressional floor) and 1992, again.
“Turner Diaries” anyone?
If anything, Susan, the Right still wants intel, not comedies. Intel is that boring stuff of actual news, that makes eyes bleed and brain cells want to hide — the same exact stuff the Obamatics avoid like the plague (they don’t have 2 brain cells to rub together to worry about hiding them!).
BTW, half of Fox News TV audience has been liberals long before now, let alone no matter what store I goto that has a TV on, it’s always on Fox (even with Barry’s Black Block).
It’s subliminal. The Right is going to brainwash the masses…BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Comment by ChrisXP | 2008-05-13 03:19:02
If anything, Susan, the Right still wants intel, not comedies
If the Right wanted Intel, they wouldn’t let GWB have PR people change scientific reports commissioned by the US government.
My reply to you is from someone much wiser…
Now go back to your own “scientific” PR Establishment.
Next…
John von Neumann died in 1957, bud.
How refreshing, Obama 2008 delivered to me another Bell jar.
I do not believe Dean screwed up anything..he and Donna Brazile have succeeded in what the planned to do..Right after the bill was signed they offered Fla a cacus to get out of losing the delegates..this was planned and executed to the tee..they Knew from the get go..Fla would go to Hillary..they began a propaganda campaign last May when the bill was signed to move the primary..it was planned and executed to perfection..
Dean was never going to let Hillary get such a big number out of Florida.
Many of us who work very close with the Florida Dem Party could not understand last may and June why there was such a big damn push by the DNC to have Florida go to a caucus..but we knew..the state is too big..the FDP did not have the money..Dean suggested that we do the primary but not have it count and do a follow up Caucus that would count towards the delegate selection..The FDP with feedback from State Dems ..said no..most of us knew it would disenfranchise too many of our seniors.
Most of us did not see why the heavy Push for a caucus..
now it is quite apparent why Dean and Brazile were pushing for a Fla caucus..so they could steal Fla and make it look like Obama won this important state..
it was a win win for Dean , Obama and Brazile..because here we sit ..with Hillary owning the a big block of Fla delegates who will probably not be seated as voted.
Hillary is having these votes stolen from her..and Obama is winning because Fla is not counting and will not be counted by these dem crooks..
understand this…
In 2004 in the Florida presidential preference primary about 720,000 Democrats voted. In 2008 in the Florida presidential preference primary 1,725,000 Democrats voted. A more than 100% increase, a more than one million net voter increase, is incredible when you consider no candidates campaigned.
and all the candidates were on our Florida ballots.
and the only candidate who broke the pledge and campaigned in Florida was Obama..why isn’t he being held to the rules???????????
and yet the innocent voters are!
I want to see Dean held accountable for stealing the Florida democrats votes. He is not a democrat in my book..he is a communist or what ever you want to call him ..but a democrat and American he is not ..neither is Donna Brazile or any super delegate who stands with these crooks!
Personally if any of the three stood in front of me i would spit in their faces!
That is how angry i am..
I know how hard we in Fla have fougbht to have our votes count…we have lived through repeated elections being stolen by the republicans..only now to see all of our votes not count by the democrats..
That folks is the death of democracy.
and anyone who supports this is unamerican..there are no other words for it..this is the total death of Democracy aka..Dean Brazile, and Obama..with the help of Pelosi, Kennedy, and Kerry.
fuck them all..they not only are destroying democracy for me and my family..but they just killed it for their own families..their legacy will be well noted in History and history will not be kind to any of their lousey little asses!
fly..a 2004 Elected Democratic Delegate for the State of Florida.
sorry for some typos..too early am for me..
oh and i forgot to mention that Dean and the DNC in the Fall of 2007 offered the FDP $800,000.00 + towards doing a caucus in Florida…and is there anyone who now questions the reason for trying to force Florida into a caucus?????????
The most recent offer ..offered to Florida..would have only allowed approx 100,000 a chance to vote..statewide..
so 1.7 close to 1.8 million would have melted down to 100,000
these sob’s knew exactly what they were doing and it was planned and executed by Dean Obama and Brazile..what worries me ..was it in concert with the Republican party..is Obama the real candidate the Bush Junta wants and needs to follow them??????
the Manchurian candidate??????
fly
I just saw the first commerical i have seen for Obama in the Tampa/Clearwater Florida area..paid for by Move On…
i hope they go broke..and everyone here has quit their sorry asses!
fly
Flyarm: your series of comments is interesting and amazing. Yes - after seeing the big picture - the push for you to hold caucases and not a private-voting primary is very suspicious.
Always stooping to conquer, I see. It’s OK to post a video from Michelle Malkin’s Hot Air site as long as it helps?
No, campers. It wasn’t the DNC chair who did that, it was the Rules & Bylaws Committee that did it. Remember?
Yup, Donna Brazile the biggest fucking idiot in the DNC.
The DNC Staff recommended that the rule the Florida delegate selection plan to be not in compliance. The DNC Staff did NOT recommend a punishment. But let’s not let a little detail like that stop everyone from shitting on Howard Dean.
Who is saying this? Malkin? McAuliffe? If it’s McAwful, someone remind me of the great things he did as DNC chairman. Besides raise money, I mean.
McAwful’s reign as DNC chair ended in disaster, with the Democratic Party in worse position electorally than when he came in as Chair in February 2001. Democrats lost seats in the House and Senate, and failed to cleanly take out the Worst President Ever.
While McAwful was an artful fundraiser, the party continued to lack the ability to develop a clear message or properly frame the political debate.
Schieffer reminds him that when he was chairman, he threatened Carl Levin if Michigan moved its primary up:
I guess the DNC finally did to FL and MI what McAwful only threatened to do. But his response to Schieffer was to blow it off. Yes, Terry McAwful is a great man and a fine human being.
No, he just committed TREASON, instead.
You don’t throw elections to just hand it to a handpicked successor, and annoint him king even before the REAL nomination.
That’s disenfranching 50 states and over 16 million voters.
That’s ABSOLUTE treason on the worst scale. >:(
Interesting that Brazile was behind the over-punitive measure.
She’s such an Obama supporter while pretended not to be for a long time.
I think that alone should disqualify her completely from her role in the DNC.
She should be drummed out.
bLUE STATE GIRL..YOU ARE WRONG..IT WAS HOWARD DEAN WHO CAME OUT ANGRY FIRST AND READY TO PUT THE SQUEEZE ON FLORIDA..
I know ..i was on the rapid response emailers for the DNC…
you stated this..quote:” No, campers. It wasn’t the DNC chair who did that, ”
no Blue State you are wrong..Howard Dean was the head cheerleader for full sanctions on Fla ..he was invited down here for the legislative hearing to Ban the DRE voting machines from Flordia and he did not show up..
I know that as well as i helped train one the the people who got that bill before the Florida legislature..and that person called me from inside the state captiol when the bill was going on the floor and when it made it through the vote..
so please..stop the bullshit…if you don’t know what you are talking about.
There is enough propaganda and bullshit coming from Dean and Brazile and Obama.
The Four people who got that bill before the Florida legislature just were honored with the highest award the Florida ACLU gives out..
too bad Dean had a plan ..instead of congradulating the Florida citizens for doing what no other state has done for the 2008 election..he was planning his steal of this election from Edwards and Hillary and the American electorate.
Howard Dean has now set a precidence..there is no longer democracy in this nation..thanks to howard Dean and Donna Brazile..and you are the biggest fool of all if you do not understand this was planned to steal the election for Obama..
I hold Howard Dean 100% responsible for :
…. stealing of my vote and the votes of our biggest block of Vets and the active Headquarters of active military of this war in Iraq..
The Day Howard dean destroyed Democracy ..was the day he stoel the votes of Florida voters.
The Florida voters had nothing to do with the republican legislature changing the date of the Primary…and yet Howard Dean has held them captive and accountable ..and he has stolen their democracy.
It was Howard Dean who kept demanding Florida change over to a caucus, in order to have our votes counted. I know that as well as i read the letters he sent the Chair of the State Dem Party…she sent them out to many state dems.
The FDP said no..rightly so..as caucus would have disenfranchised to many of our senior citizens that are house bound and it would have disenfranchised too many of our active military.
fly..a 2004 elected Dem Delegate for the State of Florida.
But notice McAuliffe said he would cut half their delegates — not all of them. This is what the GOP did and this is what would have been a fair and reasonable solution.
Nor do I see any mention of McAuliffe promising to award delegates to a candidate who did not earn them.
So, sorry, your candidate still loses on the question of who is disenfrachising voters and stealing votes. As TominPaine has noted, we didn’t realize that when Obama talked about “changing politics” he was referring to elections.
And the reason the Democrats lost the last time despire McAuliffe’s fundraising prowess was because the party ran another out-of-touch elitist, the one who is now your candidate’s biggest booster. Given that his own loss came at the cost of highly questionable voting practices in Ohio you would think he might be a little more sensitive about vote-stealing, but maybe there is a reason the Republicans branded him a flip-flopper.
And Howard Dean may not be the one who made the decision about FL and MI but I’m assuming he has a wee bit of clout within the party, no, I mean he *is* the chair, right? And he certainly could tell that walking liability Donna Brazille to shut her yap. Furthermore, I’m sure it is just coincidence that the rules committee is largely made up of Obama supporters. Just coincidence, I’m sure.
And yeah, I hate Malkin too and won’t link to her, but isn’t it interesting that the only media sources at all willing to question these tactics is coming from the right? And after all, they oughta know voter fraud when they see it. Aren’t you proud to support someone who uses the same strongarm GOP tactics? Is it a wonderful hopey-changey vapor?
Go peddle it elsewhere.
Whoops, posted with my old name. I am no longer a crazed opossum but a dancing one…All hail the great marsupial, the wonderful wildebeest of the woods.
THIS IS WHAT IS AMAZING!
The general election has not occurred yet. But , if history is any guide, we will see a repeat of the voting machine problems that occured in 2002, 2004, 2006. We’ve seen some of this already in the primaries but it is being ignored. Why? Because the people in Congress got elected and they have their jobs. They were supposed to be investigating the problems that enabled a Republican to take office from San Diego(mis-counted ballots) and Sarasota ,Florida (83,000 missing votes). In Florida, we got rid of the machines. But attached to that bill was the re-scheduling of our Florida Primary. We decided it was too importannt to get rid of the machines so we took the primary schedule and were punished. We’ll see what the voting machines do to us this year in other states that still have them. It may not matter who the candidate is. Congress never did its job to rid us of these damn machines.
And folks got what they asked for, so live with it.
I liked my paper ballots. Made each vote REALLY count by PUNCHING in the hole — and I made sure each one was so clear I could see China.
BUT, folks wanted these touch screen stuff, and spoiled the fun.
If 20,000,000 votes get lost due to a cracker (oops!), that’s the breaks in relying on computers do your math!!
Not odd a bit they tried to force our state of Michigan into a caucus this year, just like Florida. Not odd a bit I read yesterday that they are trying to give Hillary only a 10 delegate net gain in Florida over Obama (should be a net gain of 38 for her) which is exactly identical to them trying to make it 69-59 (10 delegate difference) in Michigan, when she should have her earned 73 delegates plus her portion of the 55 Uncommitted. Delegate stealing AND vote stealing.
Now we have Obama arrogantly coming to our state tomorrow night May 14th to the Republican Central Stronghold city of Grand Rapids, and going to FL on May 21-23, thereby making sure a revote will never happen before the primaries are over. What a complete farce.
And if I’m not mistaken even though the Republicans stripped half their delegates they still tallied 100% of their certified votes to the board. Our certified votes should have been tallied also. I think the oddest thing of all is the DNC thinks I’m going to vote for them or BO after all this. Won’t happen.
I will be going to protest Obama …i am so fed up..and damn him..he is now responsi ble for the demise of democracy in this nation..
remember folks..today it is my vote stolen ..tommorrow it is yours!
fly
Our Florida votes have been totally certified.
In 2008 in the Florida presidential preference primary 1,725,000 Democrats voted. A more than 100% increase, a more than one million net voter increase.
In 2004 700,000 Democrats voted in the Primary.
Florida is a closed state Primary..only dems can vote in the Dem Primary..so the 1,725,000 votes this year were Democrats..no cross overs, like Michigan had.And no Independants.
Thats alot of Dems to piss off Dean!!..and they are pissed off!
fly
With folks like you people Lush Rimbaugh and the repubicans have a great ally in Operation Chaos. You should be so proud.
PS: quit banning me just because you don’t like what I say.
That’s a silly comment by Schieffer. Imagine if the Supreme Court had said to Larry Tribe in Bush vs. Gore ‘oh, you’re just saying that because you’re Al Gore’s lawyer.”
Why even bring Wolfson, McCauliffe or Axelrove on your show if their links to the candidates disqualify their remarks? When Axelrove spins for Obama, the horseshit speaks for itself, not the fact that it comes out of Axelrove’s mouth. Likewise, if Axelrove ever spoke the truth, I’d judge his remarks on their face, not by the fact that he’s paid to say them.
Dean sits behind his close door wondering.Florida and Micigan should have their voices heard.Dean and (pepis lady)is full of it.It comes as all the bad /media MSNBC MSN and press who calling Hillary out after Ohio as well as playing the bisa game is the ones who was hurting the democrat party.They sit there behing their make-up and go at it like a dog protecting their bone.(OH I GOT CHILLS UP MY LEG)what was that?HUH…Keith Olberman,Chuck Todd are the most un human people.Tim Russert he’s there as well.And the lady who sits at times in the back ground sounds like she is chocking is so nasty.MSNBC MSN has made their media into a media that now many who can not trust.And to put someone above a peddle stool.The campaign of Obama and himself you can see on videos of just how his campaign has been tacky.but is that reported?NO
What I saw in Hillary is a clean campaign who talks to the people on issues.sure I saw her ad in the oil companies which is her ad that she counter Obama for saying that she didn’t stand up agaist the oil companies and he was the only candidate who did.Hillary’s vote records show that she did stand up against the oil companies Bush -Dick Cheney Energy Bill was a bill done by the energy/oil companies which gave to the lobbyist.Obama voted YES on that bill. Sen.Hillary Clinton and John McCain did not,they both voted NO.it’s right there on their vote records. So tell me why Obama would say he was the only candidate who voted NO ? Sen.Clinton has an amazing record.Go check your self.
Obama has to many ties with people that causes alarms for me.As far as a ticket.I don’t think so.Not me not never.
DEAN (PEPSI) MSNBC MSN YOU REALLY MESSED THIS UP FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Why would they protect Obama when there is some much known of him.
I lost all faith in most media.How would you like to be doing the right thing and still get punch no matter what?and given a sweets to the other where I can see,hear what they are saying is untruth!With a media that I can nolnger trust.I no longer have any use for their media.I will always wonder is this the truth?Or are they just tearing apart peoples lives.