Kwisatz Haderach
By NewHampster on May 13, 2008 at 12:54 PM in Barack Obama, Cult, Cults, Messiah
In Terminology of the Imperium, the glossary of the novel Dune, Frank Herbert provides the following definition:
KWISATZ HADERACH: "Shortening of the Way." This is the label applied by the Bene Gesserit to the unknown for which they sought a genetic solution: a male Bene Gesserit whose organic mental powers would bridge space and time.
Is Barack Obama the long awaited
Kwisatz Haderach?
Is Barack Obama truly the male savior the Bene Gesserit have been trying to breed for thousands of years? Or as I believe, is he the manifestation of the SciFi reading, space game playing generation of boys who have brought new life to the Universe of Dune.
I myself, am an aging boomer SciFi and Fantasy lover. I've read The Trilogy 3 times (if you have to ask, move on to another diary), I got hook on SciFi with the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov, the greatest of all SciFi writers.
Dune and the Dune Universe are another issue. I've read every book in the original series and then the prequel. I've read them even though I've never really liked them.
The total mind emmersion / escapism is what any SciFi reader wants but there has always been an under current that left me uncomfortable. I could not put my finger on it until I began reading Hunters of Dune this week.
First a little background for those who never read the book or saw the movie.
Dune is set in the far future amidst a sprawling feudal interstellar empire where planetary fiefdoms are controlled by noble Houses that owe allegiance to the Imperial House Corrino. The novel tells the story of young Paul Atreides (heir apparent to Duke Leto Atreides and scion of House Atreides) as he and his family accept control of the desert planet Arrakis, the only source of the spice melange, the most important and valuable substance in the universe. The story explores the complex and multilayered interactions of politics, religion, ecology, technology, and human emotion, as forces of the Empire confront each other for control of Arrakis and its spice.[4]</sup>
Dune engendered five sequels written by Herbert before his death in 1986: Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune. It also inspired a 1984 film adaptation by David Lynch, a 2000 Sci Fi Channel miniseries and its 2003 sequel, computer games, a board game and a series of prequels and sequels co-written by the author's son Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson starting in 1999.
Hunters of Dune begins the final chapter based on Frank Herbert's notes found in a safe deposit box. Quite frankly I believe in the lost notes stuff about as much as I believe in the Unicorn following Barack in the artwork above. But that's besides the point.
The Dune Universe like most fantasy worlds, is a feudal place. Male rulers control planetary systems and empires for thousands and thousands of years. But always in the background pulling strings are the Sorceresses, the Bene Gesserit sisterhood led by the Reverend Mothers.
The Reverend Mothers are both feared and revered. They are geneticists who play a breeding game looking for the perfect male, the Kwisatz Haderach who will lead the Universe into peace and harmony.
What they got, after the initial Kwisatz Haderach, was his son the God Emperor who ruled for 3500 years. In the 1000 years diaspora that followed him, Bene Gesserit once more gain power but in constant battle with their enemies the Honored Matres. In Hunters of Dune these two warring groups of overlord women are known as Witches and Whores.
Men are, well basically fertilizer for the women who rule the universe. The Bene Gesserit Witches and the Honored Matres Whores. The Whores control by using their sex, the Witches use magic and control of Melange, the Spice drug which the entire universe needs. But for some reason the Witches, Whores and other powers still need to find or create a new Kwisatz Haderach. A male who can bring the universe together in perfect harmony.
Always, in fantasy literature, we come back to the good man saving us from the Witches and Whores. Always we have a good ruler, King or Emperor, never a Democracy and rarely a good Queen. This is the fantasy world many young people live in.
How does the Lord of the Rings end? It ends with the crowning of the good King and the Elvin Queen sailing into the sunset.
I'm just thinking and wondering.
I really don't know if Obama is the Kwisatz Haderach so I'm throwing this out to the community for thought and discussion.
Update: I use Witches and Whores because that is what Brian Herbert uses throughout the Hunters of Dune. I’m sure that Frank Herbert would not be happy with how his universe has turned out.
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Barack Obama reminds me of a male version of Olive Oyl.
Joel Stein of the LA Times , himself an Obamabot, called him an Urkel with a better tailor.
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/02/the-cult-of-oba.html
Someone should airbrush Ted Kennedy driving his car off that bridge.
and make that unity pony a unicorn.
Hahahaha!
LOL too much! haha!
When will these idiotic Obamabots finally liberate themselves from their warped fantasy spaces? Are we voting for unicorns or Presidents? And do they really view the campaign as yet another misogynistic SciFi novel wherein the feminine is suppressed in order to enact a narrative closure that reifies and restores a phallocentric symbolic order?
And this is why adults don’t let kids pick presidents. lol.
It’s a commie election, what did you expect?
Big old GLORIOUS pictures of Saddam, Castro, Che, Mao, and now Obama.
Hey, his people are doing what they know, leave them alone/snark…
bamaoil:
Don’t forget Lenin! And if we get really lucky we can put Obama in a glass case and preserve him for all posterity! Isn’t that a great idea!
I think they really do think that but I don’t think they know it. Sort of inbred over years of the same books and same games.
Hey Hamster, what are they going to do with Michelle? SHe’s a real problem.
If you’ve read Dune, she is the Abomination. The hatchet princess.
Well overall I would say abomination is a good word for her.
Some of us remember how well Dukakis’ anti-American wife worked out for him.
Well, from what I remember, they gossiped constantly about her alcoholism.
I don’t remember Kitty being anti-American. I thought her problems were alcohol and drugs?
She’s Mary Lincoln, but with a modern edge, to the commie hiphop Abe.
It’s Illinois, Land of Lincoln, it’s how Axelrod choose to sell them, right?
Thing writes itself….
I am LandOLincoln, and don’t you forget it.
And take your “commie” idiocy and stick it. Obama’s no lefty, he’s a right wing Trojan horse who’s totally in the corporate bag and wants to privatize Social Security and otherwise destroy what’s left of the New Deal.
In other words, he’s right up your alley.
I know I’m bucking the trend here, but I actually prefer Michelle to Barack. At least with her you might get a good face-to-face fight. With him, it’s always the knife in the back and plausible deniability.
Marcy
Yes, but the point is: These two nightmares are one and the same. They work in twins. Two sides of the same coin. Bad cop Good cop kind of thing.
I am fairly certain that very few Obamabots have read the original Dune trilogy, or much of anything else that wasn’t required reading in their Marxism 101 class. The central message of the original books is “beware of messiah figures.” It would do the Obama supporters a world of good to listen to that message.
I am also a SF/Fantasy fan and have no trouble telling Fantasy from reality. Fantasy in the person Obama plays in his speeches; reality is the Obama who associates with likes of Ayers, Rezco, and Wright.
Too many computer games have fried these kids’ brains.
Judging by their manners I’d bet on GTA: Vice City!
People get hooked into believing they are Dune, or Merlin, projections, when they’re really Wally Cox, without the looks. They want that power, they want to be seen as something special, unique, because, truth is, they’re unremarkable. They want the glamour.
And I see so much of that with people who see Science fiction as metaphor, exclusively. (Not you, of course, others).
The real power is JFK, or FDR, or MLK, the smart people.
No matter where you go, social systems have to form, even space, it’s just more Steven Spielberg, and it leaves me cold.
I think Michelle Obama is actually the AA version of Elvira! Happy Halloweenie!
i am ready for the party tonight .
who else is ready
I’ll party after my town dem committee meeting. should be a good night
hi guys
anybody who can make me feel better
It ain’t over until the lady in the pant suit says so. Who knows, with tonight’s blowout (fingers crossed) the msm may change their tune and decide Hillary can win.
no i am very sad
i used to blog all day at hillis44
yesterday i was mad at michelle so i used a very bad word
so all of sudeen
i was accused of trolling
i got called dumb,
retard,,stupid .. idiot ,,
i apologized too ,,
but i was verbally abused
i am kinda young
so i could not take it anymore
so i am here
fear not sonia
we are with you
we are with Hillary all the way to Denver and the White House!
we are passionate in our support of our candidate and have been pushed around too many times by the Obamabots running wild
I know how you feel and have been there a time or two myself in the past few months
but dont let the man get you down as they say
Hillary will retake the popular vote and keep it
and PR will put her WAY OVER THE TOP
the GOP will have to start moving on Obama soon and more will come out that the MSM has been sitting on..
either way we are not leaving Hillary and as long as we are with her she is not leaving us she is our FDR
the only Democrat in this race
I wont give up the party without a fight and neither will Hillary she knows how much we need her!
get on your HAKA face for tonight!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kd0kDxP04eI
HAKA!!!
I have to wonder what type of Mom MO is to her children?
She is wealthy enough to have “other” people raise here children.
You don’t want to know.
Bamaoil:
A cross between Mommie Dearest and Ethel Rosenberg?
thank you gina
u made me fel better
we been called all kind of names by obamabots
so i get emotional and say stuff ,,
but
anyway –
thank you
yes
i willbe ready for party tonight
Woa! We needed a Haka plan, long ago. Talk about intimidating the opponent.
We know where your heart is, Sonia, and it’s in the right place. You do so much for Hillary, and, by extension, all of us and this country. You are to be commended!
And you should have seen what I wrote about Michelle. I believe I called her a major-league bitch with the personal appeal of a Tasmanian Devil. Not the cartoon one, mind you, but this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jIvGSu-jG4
No one seemed to mind :-J.
You certainly have safe haven here!
Sonia, You are always encouraging us to make phone calls and providing links to articles we should read. You are so dedicated. Just consider that they made a mistake and don’t let it get you down.
THX FOR SO MUCH
Sonia,
You are safe here. You can express yourself like we used to in the Old World. Welcome to the New Continent.
Sorry to rain on your parade… but Obama is a very much of this world product of, arguably, the most corrupt political machine in the U.S. His only otherworldly connection may be as the reincarnation of Warren Gameliel Harding.
They caught him wearing a flag pin yesterday.
Who woulda thunk it
yeah
now its ok to wear a flag pin
how many starts on that pin —57
They have actually produced a 57 star flag pin you can buy..
Thats alright..Not only did he Ingnore American History..for “WRIGHT “reasons…he cant organize either..
I will bet his office staff makes Charlie Wilsons look like Librarians..
I think it wll be nick named the “OWL” party cause its full of “HOOTERS”..
he hates his middle name
so his new name should be
BARACK W.57 OBAMA
I’ll take a .50 any day.
Barack Heinz 57 Obama!
Just love them tomatoes!
He hates this one even more…
Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama, what they call him in Kenya.
Just because someone projects control doesn’t mean he has control.
Seems to be a big problem for certain people, hence the inability to make a strong decision, or see things clearly.
Its the same as being caught in vortex, struggling for some semblance of reality you can accept, and finding your “truth” contradicted, being unable to admit failure, and creating a deeper mess, to maintain an illusion.
NO different from American consumers spending thousands of dollars on items they cannot afford to make themselves think they’re really no different from the people who live in Beverley Hills.
They are.
Hence, a deeper and deeper mess.
They simply cannot get out, they aren’t smart enough, and they are crippled, psychologically.
That’s barry for you. Whore yourself to whatever it takes.
When I posted this pic earlier today I found a really large version among my tabs which I foolishly deleted.
This picture now clearly shows all the crosses…which seem to also depict the wounds on Christ????? Can this be truew?????
I’m not a Bible scholar, but it sure looks that way to me….
Am I nuts or are the Obama freaks totally losing THEIR minds??
(The editorial itself that accompanies this image descends into drivel…)
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/
Is that a bar of Barry soap in his hand. To cleanse himself of his sins.
LOL
Now THAT is a funny picture!!
Dear baby jesus, please save us from ourselves.
HOOPS…!!
Whats going on…How was the REUNION.??..Missed you here…
Lots going on…Full Court Press..!!
The reunion was great.. we ended up spending two weeks at the beach house. The 3/5 marines were delayed for a week so we surfed and shopped for a week waiting thier return from Iraq. We ended up letting about 7-8 marines stay with us for the week and some of thier parents also. We celebrated Jordan and his buddies safe return with Beer, BBQ’s, swimming and those boys did lot’s of shopping.
The really great thing was that every single Marine of the 3/5th came home safe and sound.
Jordan arrives here thursday night for 30 days leave and we have a huge coming home party for him planned on saturday night and hired his favorite band…
I’m in a great mood and really relieved after all this time of stress with him being in such a dangerous place.. of course his mom is just exuberant.. The Video of him getting off the bus was fantastic with screams and cheers of hundreds and hundreds of parents and spouses..and new born babies seeing thier dad’s for the first time.. I’m going to post the video on Jordans my space in the coming week.
HOOPS…Thanks for the Feedback…So glad they all got home Safe..I Pray for them all..just had a relative over there for 15 mos tour..got back safely recently..!!
Nice that you got all those people together at the beach and had some fun..Bet you had some great Partys..
I have had a party or two with the SEALS but thats and different story..
Hope you can find a way to share the Video..You are like family to some of Us..Bet Your wife had a great Mothers day..Hugs to you all… Welcome Back Jordan..!!
Best Wishes..
HOOOPS!
I lurv this post
not even for the Spice would I vote for Oblahma
he is also not (Bel)Garion and cannot do the Will and the Word, he wont be taking on Kal Torak ..
he is not Rand al Thor and is not born on the slopes of Dragon Mount from a match of two races either, he will not face the Shadow in Shayol Gul and win…
he is not Arthur back for the Grail or Excalibur
he is a poseur
a puppet
NOT A DEMOCRAT
WE NEED HILLARY
HILLYEAH!!!
BOOYAH!!
Although MO does look a little like Beldin.
Well…The Control of Spices..and The Control of Oil
are similar Comparisons to the story line…so are the Players, Mutants and Dopers including..
Perhaps even Control of water..and then the Polluted Atmosphere…
Vewry Interesting Comparison Here ..New Hampster..
Interesting…I wonder if the new Age WUNDER KIND
can ride a WORM..I doubt it…His jeans are too tight
Thank you for the laugh I needed today.
Maybe he can’t ride because what we missed is that he is a Navigator not a guildsman.
So, Obama is a Spice girl?
Joining Bush, and the rest?
I’ve read the Dune books up to God Emperor of Dune. I thoroughly enjoyed them. I had an experience of heightened reality when I read the final chapter of God Emperor. All of the pieces of the earlier books seemed to fall into place.
Interestingly, most people I have talked to about the books don’t realize that the series is a statement on our dependance on middle eastern oil. The spice in Dune is analagous to oil, everyone needs it to get around, and the European countires are the noble houses that try to control the spice/oil, oppressing the Fremen/Muslims.
Barack does have one similarity to Maudib. He definitely rides on a WORM(what obama really meant). If Barack is the Kwisatz Haderach I’ll be waiting for him to gouge out his eyes, and walk into the desert, not to be seen again for a very long time(Dune Messiah).
Did Herbert say it was Oil? I’ve always thought it was really about our drugged society. Then again, Oil is like Heroin.
The navigators need the space to travel across space. We need to oil to go from place to place.
Arakis, the only place in the universe where spice is produced is a desert planet. The natives, the Fremen, are a very religious people who after being opressed by the occupying forces resort to terrorism to achieve their goal of taking over the planet and ridding the planet of “infidels”. Herbert even uses the word Jihad in the book, so I always thought it was clear he was talking about the middle east and oil.
In Hunters of Dune they have a tribe of Jews who still celebrate Passover and a sect descended from Islam. I think those were the ones with the Axlotl tanks. drawing a blank.
I haven’t read Hunters of Dune. Is it worth it? I like God Emperor so much, i’m sortof scared to read another one in case it ruins it for me.
But those books reflect a particular point of view, some seem to look upon them as a bible.
I loved the mary stewart “merlin” triolgy, I don’t see it as anything but fiction.
When we look upon oil, or even space, as “spice” well, we are attaching a false value to it.
It’s garbage.
I hope you wouldn’t see it as anything but fiction.
You said, “When we look upon oil, or even space, as “spice” well, we are attaching a false value to it.
It’s garbage.”
It is a metaphor nothing more.
I’m not sure what you are saying, but I thought the books were pretty good, not garbage as you say.
I read the prequels and realized the son and his helper are not bad. Then I took a few years off and finally broke down and got Hunters last week. I need a distraction from the blogs…
Hunters is part one of the final book that Frank supposedly outlined and left in a safe deposit box. It is very good.
And do you see it as fiction, or as truth?
Dune, that is…
Complete fiction but based on one man’s view of his world. Nobody can write in a vacuum.
New Hampster
I KNOW! I tried that once and my nose got stuck! I simply wouldn’t advise anyone else to write in that vacuum ever again!
I’d try the vortex first next time and if that doesn’t work I hear the black hole can be quite inspiring!
Thank you for reminding me!
Its alway the Ability to Control peoples Emotions through Supply and demand..
Every thing we do is based on having some DESIRE fullfilled…Physically, Emotionally, Spiritually..
There have always been Forces that Know that..and thus Control behaviour..and the Rise and fall of Civizilations..Puppet Masters..
But, always…The Dark forces remain..scheming..
They indeed are the sending Navigators..like the CARTELS..and TRI~ LATERALISTS..and the HOPE DOPERS..who Decieve People all over the WorlD. with Ideologys and False Prophets..
And thus it will be, until the SON of PERDITION is REVEALED..
And the the Final Chapter Closes..on this Triology…
It’s all part of the Machiavelli thing anyhow. Keep the lean and they will be grateful. Pretend to be moral, but you don’t actually have to be, just convince them you are.
Well Said, Uppity
As a kid, when “Satanism” was the thing, the stoners and losers aspired toward “magic” as power, validating their lives, a feeling of control over others. They could barely tie their shoes, but god damn, they were to be feared.
I saw them as childish fuck ups, which they were, so pretentious they had to CONTROL other people to have some sense of self worth, their self worth attached to object, as opposed to intrinsic.
Laughable, ugly weak stupid boys struggling for respect, who ended up working in the Campbell’s soup factory near our house, lives over at forty.
Sad thing.
Bamaoil
That sounds almost Victorian. Kind of like a cross between Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory and Dickens’ Great Expectations. A thousand lost boys all eaten up by the Infamous Soup Kitchen in the sky. Sad!
Hillary as independent candidate, anyone? I called her campaign to ask about it and I was told I was the fourth call today about that.
Can we start a movement?
Draft her? For all of us disenfranchised voters?
I won’t vote for Obama and I can’t stand McCain. What kind of choice is that? We are more than sixteen million voters and they act as if we don’t exist. I’m not ready to accept that. Hillary is a fighter. We should be fighters too.
Dem Party - uh, forgot, Obama Party, is offering her nothing. Not even Senate Majority leader. And that’s not enough.
Oh, and us nothing, of course.
Hillary as Independent. Yes.
I think she’d actually be the first with a good shot but I seriously doubt she’d even consider it.
This time is different though so I could be wrong.
What is the filing period?
I am only talking local so it might be different nationally–but it’s generally July.
Why hasn’t the MSM picked up on this Kwisatz Haderach connection? It’s so obvious. Just another example of the MSM ignoring important issues.
When will they start focusing on the stuff that matters? Like comparisons between a presidential candidate and science fiction?
I think I really was comparing Science Fiction with Political Fiction. Both are total imaginary lies.
It might explain that thrill going up Chris Matthews’ leg.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Hampster, try on a little A.E. vanVoigt, my favorite from that era. Tho, I do love Herbert and Dune. And Ringworld, etc.
Precious is none of the above. He is more like Peter Pan inbred with the Tin Man and bitten by the Cowardly Lion.
aol poll…..hillary 60% ohummer 40% straw poll every monday. shes way ahead of him for weeks in spite of the biased bloggers there. what does it tell you about the real pulse in this country ? aol is the largest internet provider in the world. why isnt obummer winning that poll ? cheer up, sonia….she is going to pull this thing off one way another.
Delurking to advise how much I enjoyed your analogy, Hampster. I enjoyed SciFi in my youth, agree with your statement that Asimov was the best, although Clarke was a delight. Hebert was up there but not on the same level, IMHO.
Given that I’ve read all the greats, have your considered the current situation in comparison to Hari Seldon? Not that I think Obama is in any way comparable to Hari, however, whomever is controlling him appears to be trying to socially engineer the outcome of the election, same as Hari did with the empire. Just a thought. Back to lurking.
If you’ve read all of the Foundation follow-ups you’ll realize that although Harry thought he was engineering the future he was in the end just a tool of Daneel. Everyone was.
So yes there is a parallel which is why I am so scared of Axelrod. Someday to be known as Axelrod I
I must admit, I haven’t read beyond the first four, however, I think the question should be who is pulling the strings,no? This is one pug-ugly campaign in the Democratic campaign, and it saddens me to see how the liberals have become divided, To what purpose? Why? Who does this benefit? Follow the money, to quote Dr Murder.
Don’t confuse science fiction with truth, the truth ,much more mundane. Even as metaphor, it is the behavior that drives the science fiction, not the opposite.
You don’t want to lose perspective, big oil behavior is really no more than the movie “Mean Girls.”
You’re speaking of human pettiness leading to small minded decision, when you look at these things in terms of science fiction novel, you attach a grandiosity that is non existent.
It can be fun, no big deal, but don’t let it screw up your perception of the reality.
Next thing you’ll be wanting to fix elections, and start wars in Iraq/snark
Just a reflection, I don’t mean to criticize you.
What does everyone think about this. Perhaps, this is the “October Surprise” that’s been floating around about Obama.
In any event, I’m certain the republicans have knowledge of Reverand David Manning’s accusing Obama, Rev. Wright of being gay. Even if it’s not true, the republicans will have a blast sending out innuendo’s all over the south and midwest.
Take a listen to what Rev. Manning has to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejTmistHFw0
That guy is funny but really really scary.
Obama’s going to have some surprises long before October. The October one will just leave him available for all his radical supporters to scrape him off the pavement after his head implodes from the stress and humiliation.
I bet Hillary knows what the surprise will be but is too much of a dem and too classy to use it.
Yes he is quite the delicate one isn’t he? Poor thing!
Fox is discussing that Edwards’ blue collars aren’t too pleased.
Did he endorse Obama?
Too bad.
No he didn’t endorse him. They were just speaking of his followers, who are predominantly blue collar and “Nascar” whatever that means.
Uppity I am a nascar fan…
“I like big wrecks and I can not lie…”…
What other sport has mil Jets flying over at the start of each race?
I am not sure how the stereotype works exactly but mostly Conservative I would think,
it all depends on what part of the country you are in since the events are in a whole bunch of different states.
The sport has no AA Race car drivers, each car cost @ 1.5 mil to make and run.
Edwards may yet prove me right in saying that he is just an opportunist looking for a market. I met him when he spoke in our town last summer and I did not like what I felt in his presence.
I have the same reaction to Edwards. I live in Chapel Hill, and have seen him speak a couple times. I get a creepy feeling from him. I know it is not rational, but I am 39 and have learned to trust that feeling when I get it.
I read at least three of these Dune books in college years. Later I sat next to Frank Herbert at a publishing house conference table, a little assistant editor, as he autographed more Dune books getting churned out. It was a privilege because I remember like the first book in the series, at least. He was about 60 then, with grayed hair and beard, and as he signed, he kept chuckling every few moments because he half-heard our group which was a lively bunch, discussing some softball game we were going to play later.
I suppose there are archetypes we script and BO for some is getting squeezed into that. But I personally don’t get anything from him that makes him a leader who promotes harmony. You have to have genuine magnetism and a passion of conviction evident in words to draw people to you in that manner. BO lacks that.
And yes i see the place of women in the fiction example, the archetypes there, but I recognize that world as a creation from a male mind. More female voices through the fecundity of their experiences need to be heard.
Oh we will be heard. We vote. Lots of us.
Barry has charisma, I will give him that. But if history has told us anything, it’s that men with his kind of charisma have been known to take their followers straight to hell.
Upppity
You mean like Charles Manson and Jim Jones?
Oh and don’t forget Idi Amin! Big Daddy!
Who is this Manning character? Instead of Obama supporters threatening John Lewis, I’d think they would take on this Manning fellow.
Independent Party or write-in will just hand the election to Obama. McCain needs to win; sad but true.
GEEZ SONIA,
WHY WOULD YOU COME HERE AND LIE?
nobody called you those names, no they called you a bot !!!!
AND YOU DIDNT LEAVE 44, you’ve been there all morning…
AND you did call african americans gorilla face, too many times to count over weeks, and you call them the ‘N’ word and then say you are sorry…
YOU DID TELL EVERYBODY YOU GET OTHER PEOPLE TO GIVE DONATIONS FOR HILLARY IN THEIR NAME USING YOUR CREDIT CARD, SO YOU COULD GET AROUND THE RULES.
and everybody, especially me, told you not to bring that crap to a hillary site. you have consistently since you started there a month ago, said comments, that could be used against hillary, and have been subversive…
and whats more sonia, there are people who have come out and found your words and some of ours plastered at pro obama sites, used against hillary…
YOU DISGUST ME…
What did I miss? Sonia did what?
look,
if you people have a special place for sonia, fine, we had an episode last night and tonight, at 44’s web site…
many of us who were there a long time, left today.
many episodes of ‘VERY’ racial charged comments have been made by this person, people complained, and this person always says, i’m sorry, i’m just a little girl, i dont speak well…
okay fine, but when the behavior returns a few days later, its not cool.
we have had some of those statements show up on obama blogs, attributed to 44’s bloggers…
and we see our statement taken out of context along side…
OKAY MAYBE ITS A COINCIDENCE…
yesterday, this person was posting the word ‘N—-
on the thread. the person got jumped on for it, and again ‘im sorry, i was just so mad’, story came out.
one of regulars told sonia she is a bot, said why do you always write all in caps? said she had gone back thru all the threads and saw where all the nasty comments were in caps, were set up that way so bots can get on and lift passages and post on other sites.
also sonia has talked over and over how she gets other people to contribute to hillary cause she is maxed out, so they do it for her…
and was telling other people to do it.
i got into it with her or it a couple of weeks ago about this campaign contribution stuff, again, shes sorry wont do it again, than couple of days does something again.
anyway, many of us left today,
i went on this morning and told sonia i’m not afraid of her, i said i am not a nice person. i wont screw around. i said, why is it that
she sometimes can write in perfect english, i’ll post the response. than you can delete it…
not trying to tell you to get involved, just saw her here bad mouthing us over there, and got pissed off, thats when i went back to 44 to tell her not to mess with me…
anyway here is the response.
now you know what i was refering to, but i’ll not mention it again after this…
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SONIA4HILLARY Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
skmf12 Says:
May 13th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
SONIA,
IF YOU THINK FOR ONE MINUTE I’M SCARED OF YOU, YOU HAD BETTER GET READY TO MEET THE REAL ME…
I AM NOT A NICE PERSON, I DONT LIKE YOU…
lady u can say thAT AGAIN ,,U R NOT A NICE PERSON
AND FOR ONCE ,,BRING IN THE PROOF WHERE I WOULD SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANYBODY BAD ANYWHERE –
yeah —do run into me i will see
and no one has to be scared of me , but i am for sure scared of u snitch
now i am gonna have to change my name
i am scared u r following me everyhere
r u obsessed with me
yes
english is my 2nd language
and i am proud of it –thank s
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speaks for itself…
with all that i forgot to do my original comment.
hampster,
obama is no ‘muad dib’, i nearly barfed when you made that comparison, i see him more as a
baron harkonen actually…
(i’ve read all the books over and over thru the last 40 years…
love em…
So, if I understand this correctly, the Bene Gesserit witch Michelle taught Obama “the Voice” so that he could become the Kwisatz Haderach? Works for me, but I’m not sure that Paul Atreidies is going to go for it.
Ah Yes…”THE VOICE”…Hypnotic,..powerful..You Mean THAT VOICE..
The One that MOVES THE MASS’S..Hitler Style..lately demonstarted by Minister Wright to cheering crowds..or Fidel or Chavez..
Promising a Workers Paradise and a Loaf of bread..
Right after the Purges and “GOTT MIT UNS” Slogans..and we Prove Our Worthiness and Loyalty..
Well..Looks like Most Cultures in the World are now WaING FOR THAT “CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND ” Moment…so we can all reach the mountain top..
With Todays international Media capabilitys..and Human Nature…I have a felling that is going to happen Pretty Soon..
AAAAAAAA…….AAAAAAAA……OOOOMMMMM…
Yes that resounding symphony of mellifluous romance that fills the air with CHANGE!! CHANGE!! I feel so transformed! I feel so transformed! I’ve been SAVED!!! I’VE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!
that ain’t no light lady, that’s just BO shinin you on!
OOOOOOOOOOOOO….BAAAAAAAAAA….MAAAAAAAAAA
OOOOOOOOOOOOO….SAAAAAAAAAA….MAAAAAAAAAA
Put it All Together with Christian..Muslim..Jew
Capitolism .. Communism..Marxism..Fascism….Religions..Prophecys..Messiahs…and you have a pretty good Dune Scenario going here…
Live to Ride…Ride to live…
it would sure look that way to someone on the Outside looking in..on OUR Spice world..
Timothy Learys dead…Burst up..to the Sun again..to the SON Again..To The Son again..
Lets all Laugh together…
Patrick
Is this like the old fashioned acid trip?
I PROTEST! Asimov was the most PROLIFIC Sci-Fi writer, but NOT the best!!
Arthur C. Clark and his 2001 trilogy is the best! :p
OBama…Obama…Daisy daaisy giivveee meee yourrr…
ChrisXP , How did you know what I had for a desktop?
(Hal’s eye)
His pic up there looks like he’s got something stuck in his throat? Is he going to upchuck his cookies or what? He’s certainly no Harry Bellafonte that’s for sure!