No More #2
By SusanUnPC on May 14, 2008 at 6:09 PM in Current Affairs
The first thread is closed because we surpassed 550 comments. This is the second thread. I am only included Truthteller’s statement because of its exceptional insights and thoughtfulness:
Truthteller: West Virginia voters rebuffed the candidate the media and the Party have arbitrarily christened the Democratic nominee.
How a Party can support a candidate who is so woefully unelectable confounds me: Obama’s victories are from states that hold caucuses, one of the most undemocratic practices that I view as a remnant of machine politics; he is weak on issues of choice, LGBT rights, health care, social security, wages and the right to organize; his past in Chicago is one of quid pro quo and corruption; he has accomplished nothing in the Senate; his knowledge of foreign affairs is wanting; he can only deliver speeches from a teleprompter; he speech yesterday contained two factual errors; he is sexist; he has exploited this nation’s history of race for electoral gain, even though he has no relation to that history; his wife is a race baiter and a negative campaigner; his only accomplishment while serving as a Senator is attaching his name to a book I believe a group of ghostwriters composed; he has lied repeatedly on the campaign trail; he is a puppet who will be controlled by certain factions of the Democratic party; and nothing he has accomplished has impacted my life.
This Leftist will not vote for him if he is the nominee. And this will be a problem, for I will reside in a state Democrats must win in November.
Good luck with your wooden marionette, Democrats. You will lose Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and probably New Jersey, and your Congressional candidates will be swept into the wastebasket of history. Until this party is able to embrace the notion that a woman can lead, I refuse to engage in any form of Party activism.
It is Hillary or bust. After all, Democrats value work and accomplishments, not overweening egos and inflated senses of entitlement of those who have never had to work for anything their entire lives. Regarding John Edwards’s endorsement, at least we now know he was never committed to universal health care or to the elimination of poverty.
It was just one act in a seemingly interminable drama entitled “The Democratic Boys Club.” Let us hope someone will drop the curtain on this sordid and sexist spectacle.
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Noted from another site…can you imagine how WV voters feel about the media dissing them and the fact of their primary in favor of a $taged endor$ement by Edward$?
Man these guyz (literally) don’t get it, do they?
Rove said the same thing……that Obama worsened his position by not even bothering to acknowledge the voters.
I’m not sure. I have no idea what I would do in the face of a blow-out. Knowing me? I’d probably say, “Obviously, I need to let you get to know me, because you don’t trust me yet.” Or something like that.
I suppose that’s suicide, however, to admit defeat. It shouldn’t be. It’s the truth. Well, in this case, maybe not the truth. LOL*
The more they got to know him, the more sure they weren’t going to vote for him!
But, you know, a good walker would have acknowledged the votes. If he intends to win, get anything done, he needs to earn SOME good will.
Really, to manage a government you need the bureaucracy to be behind you, you just can’ t fill it with your own people, no matter the fantasy, in addition, even your own people start to hate you, after a while, treat them like shit, even the white house cook will spit in your food.
He can’t lead, he can’t form a coalition, and do you know how fucked up psychologically someone has to be to ascribe to conquer and divide?
So when they don’t have the Clinton voters to project on to , they have to project on someone else, each other, if we’re lucky…
That makes sense. So far, everything he ascribes to Hillary?
He’s actually doing.
Not a surprise since they dis the former first lady and Senator with ease. It does make you wonder what they are thining. Or maybe they aren’t thinking and they are just being their selfish, heartless, cold, corrupt selves.
shainzona — you’re right that was staged and mean. I thought something was up. He said all those nice things about Hillary and then said he was endorsing Obama. Its like someone saying you’re beautiful and when you say thank you — they say they meant the person behind you. Then Obama came out and kissed Edwards on the check. Just another slap at Hillary by the two assholes Obama and Edwards. I guess this means Edwards can lose as the VP twice.
Edwards and NARAL endorsements back-to-back, ah, yep!
Sue,
I sent this message to Elizabeth Edwards just now. When you’re blogging today, ask others to let the Edwards’ know how disappointed we are.
Nancy
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You were noticeably absent yesterday from your husband’s endorsement spectacle. I commend you for that. I heard that you would have endorsed Hillary Clinton. I felt sick as I watched John become just another self-indulgent, self-important politician. Throughout the campaign, he seemed to agree with all that Hillary wants for this country, and the wind blew the other way, so John went along because he hopes to get something out of it, obviously. What a major disappointment for all of us who believed he was genuine. I was so bereft of hope as I watched him onstage with Obama soaking up the applause that I couldn’t listen to his speech. I can tell you that I would never again vote for John in any capacity. Two things happened to me this morning. As I was driving to work, the car in front of me was sporting a bumper sticker that read, “Politicians are like diapers: they all need to be changed for the same reason.” Then as I was walking up the sidewalk, I found a complete set of rosary beads. There IS hope, but John Edwards will never be a part of it. You seem like a wonderful woman. I hope you’re well.
thank you for sharing that, the rosary beads were a message of hope and faith
Amen!
Hillary all the way to Denver and the White House!!!
I think he loses Mass too!
Mass. is very unlikely to go Republican in November. West Virginia went for George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004 and is an actual swing state, given the Democratic dominance of its state politics, but Massachusetts will not go Republican under any imaginable circumstances.
You don’t get it. MA will be a tight race. The people of MA will be very upset that Obama has been shoved down their throat by Kerry and Kennedy. They already have been living through Obama the First (Duval Patrick), and they don’t like it.
Mas has already seen Obama in Patrick, and have buyers remorse and don’t want a repeat.
Obama will loose New York and California.
I don’t know about NY but CA could be indeed close; it is not clear to me what would happen with the latino vote should Obama be the nominee.
McCain after all favored a reasonable resolution to the immigration situation with a path to citizenship.
I’m not sure he’s going ot get the nomination.
So I can’t even project, because that would be silly, wouldn’t it, fucking up my own waters like that.
I also was going to say I hope Clinton just ignores the whole Obama BADLY staged melodrama for what it is: crap from inferior minds.
Just keep campaigning Hillary, YOU ARE WINNIG.
And you are, no matter what fantasy they’re selling you…
Clinton is winning.
Me, too. With all due respect to Edwards, I can’t imagine that his endorsement at this late stage will actually sway anybody’s vote. And so what if the media talked about this rather than Hillary’s obscenely huge ass-kicking of Obama in WVa — it’s not like they would have said anything other than WWTSBQ anyway.
And if he’s got Gore waiting in the wings to kiss his puny little ass after she thumps him again in Kentucky, I won’t care about that either.
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
I think this is HRC’s mantra. She seems absolutely unflappable — I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone so unphased by crap. This must be what its like to be at total peace with yourself. We’ll be lucky to have her.
It would have been better for her to win on Super Tuesday
Um, I think she won plenty on Super Tuesday. Why didn’t he win everything on Super Tuesday? Why has he lost CA, NJ, MA, AZ, OH, TX, WV, FL, RI, NV, NM, OK, TN, AR, IN, MI, PA, and NH? He has all that money, the media ‘loves’ him (until they can return to their true love John McCain), the Washington elite are behind him. Whats wrong with him?
NO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HILLARY HAS RANNED A CAMPAIGN ON DONATIONS AND OBAMA RANNED ON HIS TERRORIST BUDDIES.IN A ROOM OF A CAFE.IN OTHER COUNTRY.
RIGHT ON!!!
May I lift your quote!!!?
McCain really could win CA. Reagan won CA. I can’t put my finger on why McCain will win CA - maybe because we in this state are being squeezed financially and we know what it’s like to work hard? Obama just looks way too relaxed? McCain knows not necessarily hard work, but he was tortured for five years! That says something.
Latinas baby!
and foreclosures……
GW Bush got 40% of the Latino/Latina vote in ‘04. McCain is much more acceptable to Latinos and Latinas that Dumbya. That’s not good math for BO in California.
I think there is no doubt that BO would have problems in California that would not be a factor if HRC is the nominee. She will hold the state easily and could devote resources elsewhere, he will have to fight hard to hold it. McCain, in general is seen as a ‘moderate’ Republican. That may or may not be the case, but regardless he has built that perception over many, many years and it is going to be impossible to break it.
If the Latinos heard Prima-Donna say that the Democrats don’t need this Hispanic vote as well as the base vote of White Workers–then he is in mucho trouble.
If he’s the nominee you can be sure that the McCain supporters will make sure that the Latino/Latina voters hear about Donna Brazile claiming not to need their vote.
Dumb Donna is so far in the tank for Obama she seems to think that everyone else is too. She’s insulted enough voters all on her own to do enormous damage to the Democratic Party. They should have muzzled the silly cow a long time ago IMHO.
Now that’s funny.
I see Obama stickers and placards everywhere, have seen one for Hillary and NONE for McCain, not even in the valley. McCain will not win California.
Obama stuff everywhere, only one for Hillary and none for McCain? And yet Hillary won by a very decent margin. I’d say no state is really safe for Obama is he’s the nominee, well, okay, we’ll concede Idaho and Illinois.
Idaho? Only if the Earth has spun off its axis
No way will he win Idaho…too many right-wing nuts.
Thank God ….
Many people I talk to are regretting their vote for Hillary. It was early in the primary season and people voted based on name recognition alone. I’m not so sure that she would win if the election were held today. Obama is up over McCain in the polls by 6 pts in Iowa, 5 pts in PA, and 9pts in NJ. It is very doubtful that he could lose in CA. This is a change election, the idea that four more years of Bush policies are going to appeal to most Americans is not likely.
….yes, good old “many people” they come in so handy. On the other hand, “many other people” regret voting for Obama.
Yikes, as you no doubt have noticed the polls have been all over the map and not very predictive. As an example, the polls suggested that HRC would win IN handily and be close in NC. I wish those polls were correct, but they were not. The tracking polls fluctuate wildly from week to week. Most importantly, McCain (and his Republican attack dogs) are not running against Obama, yet. If he should get the nomination, their fancy will turn to him.
Like it or not, questions of patriotism will come to the fore — this is America after all. If Obama had great economic credentials or foreign policy experience he might be able to pull off getting away from his recent past. He does not. So onward we go to Patriot Games 2008!! If he is the nominee, I suspect the first Tuesday in November will be a painful evening. But take heart, at least it won’t be a long one.
This is fluctuation?
That’s in Iowa, a red state last time around. If he consistently does that well in Iowa I think it is very likely that California is safe.
Polls are mostly useless, especially this far out, but if you insist..
Ohio (20 votes, ultimate swing state)
Quinnipiac
4/23-4/29 Obama 42 McCain 43
Clinton 48 McCain 38
SUSA
4/11-4/13 Obama 45 Mccain 47
Clinton 53 42
It would be nice to have, but he doesn’t need Ohio.
Possible path to victory =
NM, CO, IA, MI, NV, MN, WI, PA
He has polled well or is polling well in these states.
I think Virginia, Indiana, and possibly even Montana could be in play. Given the recent Democratic victories in LA and Mississippi I think just about every state should be considered a possibility (with the possible exception of Utah).
WI will not go for Obama. It barely went for Kerry. Sadly, I believe with either candidate, WI will go red. McCain is very popular here.
Everyone I speak to that voted for Obama wishes they had their votes back. They have never been so disappointed in a candidate. They believe Obama thinks like Wright and wonder what else is coming down the pike. The New Black Panthers have endorsed Obama. That one really makes me sick.
Everyone (two) I speak to that voted for HRC wishes they had their votes back. They have never been soooo disappointed in a women candidate. They believe HRC thinks like McCain/Bush and wonder what else is coming down the pike. I wish (someone… anyone please) would endorse HRC… she really needs some love, as Larry is always telling us.
Though, that doesn’t make sick, it does leave me sad that we couldn’t have had a much better first women candidate.
Damn, who knew that “everyone” is just “two”? Everyone that I know that voted for HRC, that would be a couple a dozen would happily do so all over again. However most of them say if Obama is the nominee they plan on voting for McCain.
Wisconsin is a purple state that just barely turned blue for Kerry and that was because of widespread hate for Bush.
People don’t hate McCain and they don’t seem to like Obama very much. Most of the people I talk to, a couple of dozen or so at the Senior Center or at church, will never vote for a man that sat in church for 20 years with a pulpit humping minister. Some of us old people find that a tad tacky.
everyone I know who voted for Hill wishes they could do it the Chicago way and have voted early and often
like the Obama people in Gary Indiana did……
hussein has ZERO chance. In fact I am convinced this mutant won’t even wind up getting the nomination. There is more to emerge about this hideous malcontent.
I would celebrate if he got a massive heart attack or stroke.
Bullshit, yikes. Things getting pretty ugly at Team Obama, eh? Spew your horseshit elsewhere. Seriously, why would ANYONE want to talk to you? You don’t discuss anything- you just recite talking points.
yikes thinks Oblahma could win in PA!!
BWAHHHHAAAA!!!!
Those ‘bitter’ voters, nah they’re too busy clinging to their rifles and Bibles to vote for an Oblahama, betcha they make time for McCain though, I know I will if our Hillary is pushed out….
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Polling today shows she would lose.
Polling today shows Obama would lose. I know you want to sell Obama and that’s why you’re here but he cannot win. West Virginia was just a taste of what’s to come for him.
Sorry to everybody, I am the biggest moron for being Axelrod’s tool
You said it. It’s a beginning…
One could only hope that you realize that you are a moron. However since you have stated that sort of thing several times before it would seem you, like most “Bots” are a liar.
That you are here at all shows that you are a sad little attention whore so please go see a good shrink and leave us the hell alone. Your schtick wasn’t amusing or very clever to begin with and is really tiresome now.
first step is admitting you have a problem
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I wouldn’t put a lot of faith in winning based on bumper sticker counts or how loud your followers are. The voting booth is private and quiet and you can’t follow people in there.
For the record I live in the Bay area and I haven’t seen a lot of bumper stickers for ANY candidate. An occasional Hillary, a few more Obamas, though I did see a McCain sticker driving down I-80 in Oakland the other day. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a W sticker in the Bay area…so I don’t know what the McCain sighting means.
If you look you will see them.
Nope, never saw a W sticker and seeing a W sticker in the Bay area would have been like seeing a giraffe walking down the street….hard to miss.
Interesting since I’ve seen many in the Bay, I have definitely seen more in the valley and saw tons in the Palm Springs and near Tehachapi. I talk to lots of people and the general mood I sense in CA is one in which Hillary has lost her luster. He was gaining ground leading up to the CA election. If there was no early voting via absentee and he had a little more time I think he would have won. Even when you look at the county by county results it is interesting that he did very well in some rural (red) counties. I am not particularly worried about how Obama will do here.
When I look at the fact that Republican southern districts have gone blue in spite of anti-Obama ads, I think he has a really good chance of doing very well nationally. It’s a shame that so many on this board won’t be part of the fun of taking back control of this country.
Well he lost California by 9 points (10 points is considered a landslide by the way — West Virginia was an avalanche). I’m not sure what that says about her loss of luster among the people you talk to…but among the voters she seems to have at least more luster than he does. He did truly awful among Latinos and Latinas — West Virginia avalanche awful, no other way to say it.
BO’s always catching up though isn’t he, if he just had more time he would of won that darn thing….maybe in 2020 or something. And yep, I would expect you would see a lot of W stickers in Palm Springs…makes sense.
Obama Obama Obama — I wish it were November and I would never have to hear his name again.
What a fucking idiot. Fun? You think this is a game?
You think you get to actually be a “part” of anything that has to do with Team Obama? That’s laughable.
Honestly, yikes. I expected more from you than this. BTW- where were you last night? Can’t believe that YOU weren’t part of the fun around here. It isn’t every day that the self-coronated “presumptive” nominee gets his ass handed to him.
See ya around.
Guess we’ll just have to settle for the “fun” of watching him lose. And helping that process along as much as possible.
If you really were an Obama supporter and not just another attention whore you wouldn’t be annoying people that might come in handy in the general election should he get the nomination.
(Seems pretty sure to get it since the DNC is willing to disenfranchise over 2.5 millions voters in order to steal it for him. And one would suspect that a lot of Democrats, and former Democrats as well as left leaning Independents will frown on that.)
if you build it they will come?
in the booth Obamas polls arent realized….
That would be a useful metric if we chose our leaders by counting yard signs.
In the past week the four Obama signs in my immediate neighborhood have all come down. They have been there for months. I’m in Ohio. HRC signs are all still up.
I’m with you TeakWood Kite,
McCain will be very competitive in NY. These people need to stop taking hits off of Obama’s crack pipe. Staten Island: a dependable Red Borough; the Bronx, a fine mix of latinos, italians, and other white ethnic groups and many 3rd world immigrants from Africa and the caribbean, green card people and perhaps illegals; depending on how Obama fares with Jewish voters Manhattan should be his, but bear in mind the large latino population, and whites. Bklyn will be an interesting battle, lots of groups, yuppies, young professionals, the Far Rockaway and Howard Beach whites, the orthodox Jews, italians, caribbean blacks, latinos, Russian immigrants; Long Island, filled with NYC policeman, Sean Bell anyone? Then there are the upstate folks who keep Joe Bruno in office and gave Repub George Pataki 2 terms. I left out Queens and Westchester, a toss-up, but maybe not.
I think McCain will be surprisingly competitive in NY.
typical white people, Jewish voters, ethnic voters and the PR and other Latinas in Queens will make that a challenge for Oblahama…..
i have a lot of Jewish friends who won’t vote for him,and rightly so.
Obama called Israel an Infection in the Middle East. Wonder who he supports?
I think you better ponder the unimaginable. If nothing else, if BO is the nominee, he is going to have to work hard for Massachusetts (and California too). Having to expend time and resources in these two states is something that a Democrat should not have to do.
Conversely, HRC will crush McCain in both states easily, meaning she can devote her resources to winning Ohio and West Virginia and winning those states means we’re in the White House. All BO would be able to do is try and avoid an electoral massacre. There is no road by which BO can get to the Presidency.
It’s 270 to win, no caucuses, no proportional representation…WINNER TAKE ALL.
Perhaps Howard Dean can cut the amount of electoral votes Obama would need to win just as he cut the amount of delegates Obama would need to get the nomination.
We all know how well Obama does when he has to “work hard.” He makes huge gaffes and looks less presidential (if that’s possible) … Coming out of the convention, he is not going to be able to both make inroads with HRC’s supporters AND campaign in states he needs. He’s toast.
Obama puts massachusetts in play. Deval, bad governor. Kennedy, Kerry go against the will of the people and endorse barack.
Nope, Obama hung himself with this crew. Oh, by the way, some of themost active feminists live in Massachusetts. Do you think they will let Obama slide after treating HRC like he did?
Ha Ha! Get used to it, your guy is a loser!
Obama is a loser indeed; he is embarrassingly weak.
Mass people are stubborn and they wil not vote Obama.
They will go RED
I hope they will remember the SD endorsements from MA when their reelections come up.
I think you’re being too limited in your imagination. Operations Board Game is due for a Rezko verdict, after which they’ll be more closets coming out of false messiah’s closet. Evelyn Pringle/investigator/author says Repubs now have 1000 page document on him and, if nominated, he is not likely to remain a legitimate candidate.
Recall when famous psychic was asked about outcome of Gore/Bush race and said “I can’t tell you because you wouldn’t believe me if I did.” With the crooks and goblins all coming to the fore at once now, suggest we ‘think outside the box’ when it comes to the possibilities this bizarre race may still have in store.
I’m one of millions who won’t vote for hIm NO MATTER WHAT and I’ve never voted Republican - never even dreamed I would. but ……Why should that state be any different than we are?
I dunno–the Three Stooges (Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick) REALLY pissed off a bunch of older voters with their ignoring of the “will of the people.” I don’t know anyone over fifty who will vote for BO, and they do make up a hefty chunk of the reliably-voting population. MA is actually split three ways, with a load of left leaning indys between the D’s and the R’s. A lot of those indys are PISSED now, though. BO is going to have to spend MONEY here, unless he picks Suckup Johnny to be his VP.
I have friends over 50 who just love the Obama’s Rap Song — I Got 99 Problems But The Bitch Ain’t One–lol. Obama will not get voters over 50. He has already said he is running a campaign for the under 35. Obama is fussy about who he will accept a vote from. Money however, is welcome from anyone.
I hope the people of MA retire Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick. It would be sweet….
Won’t happen, unfortunately. Which is why Kennedy and Kerry are so smug. They’re party icons, and the Far-Left leaders.
The wrong fetuses were aborted and assassinated (JFK, RFK, MLK, jr all stood for something bigger than themselves, I hope those who were behind their deaths lives in the nightmare they have caused today).
I think he will lose MA. Axelrod made the mistake of putting Obama’s prototype, Patrick there.
I agree: there will be considerable backlash in MA as a result of Patrick.
MA traditional Dems were offended by Kennedy, actually.
These were hard-core Dems, who absolutely remembered when Kennedy was running against Romney, in a panic, and didn’t know what to do.
It was the Clintons who bailed him out.
These old-time Dems were offended that he flipped on the Clintons and showed him what they thought of it.
By making SURE she did well.
They worked their buns off for Hillary.
And they sent Kennedy a whopping big message.
No, they won’t boot him out.
But if you paid attention, you’ll notice he’s been quiet since then.
Teddy was about to lose his Senate seat and it was the Clintons that campaigned hard to help save hm. Now that Ted turned their backs on the Clintons, the voters will see to it that Ted and Obama are history. They don’t tolerate corruption very well.
Nothing gets the GOP’s dander up more than it’s favorite meat puppet, TEDDY!
You don’t even need to be a Republican to join the fun.
If Teddy so opens his mouth, it’s just food for starving tigers.
Talk about Great Expectations! I’ll admit, I voted for that idiot! What a massive DISAPPOINTMENT!
I drank the Koolaid and bought the bullshit once. Such a great…VAGUE…campaign! Upbeat, optimistic…and ANYTHING looked good after Romney!
Funny how the words of an idiot not-so-savant come to mind: “Fooled me once, won’t git fooled agin!”
now I am listening to The Who
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we wont get fooled again…
At this stage, the recalcitrance of moderate and conservative Democrats to be herded into voting for an unappealling candidate is just about the only way to send a message to ALL POLITICIANS, not just the Dems, that this is unacceptable.
We’re really ready for change.
We’re done with trickery.
We’re done with phony endorsements.
We’re done with the nasty-mouthed pundits.
We’re done with the obvious lies as though we’re stupid.
So, they will either “get” it or not.
I predict, not.
Obviously, they still think big rallies and “moments” such as the Edwards endorsement will derail voters.
I believe, deeply, they are wrong.
American voters are really sincere about this. We’re not interested in being told what to think.
We’re done.
We DO want change, but we want the real deal, not some Madison Avenue marketing campaign.
And I believe we are speaking out in the ONLY way these guys can get it: By VOTING.
That is one thing they cannot take away from us.
Our vote.
Their Madison Ave. marketing wouldn’t be so bad if they actually had a product.
zozomom — too right.
Take away our vote?
Sure they can.
And superdelegates were designed to do just that, weren’t they?
BTW one more pain in the ass is this spectacle reinforces the liberal media myth:
Gosh, I feel like I”m watching Bush go to war, in Iraq.
Fucking clueless.
Really, don’t let others create your reality, and for gods sake, don’t believe this shit. I really have to suspect your motives.
I smell moron troll, “I’m going to say Obama won, and that’s that. I can do it on TV, and I can do it here, at NQ, too, despite the reality.”
No you can’t.
You lost.
You’re right — watching the DNC/Dean/Donna screw up is just like watching bush march to war!
We are sitting on a cliff — watching the train wreck.
Hopefully there are enough watchers up on this cliff who will turn away and get Hillary elected in November.
Doh. No one won yet…say what you want…you are the one who needs a reality check troll.
It’s not just moderate and conservative Dems. This 69 yo woman, middle class by income and education but working class by recognition of the truth, is an old fashioned liberal who is absolutely appalled by what’s going on.
We need a new party - or to take over the current one and kick the bums out.
Definitely not voting for Obama. In the event that Obama is forced on us as the Dem candidate for President, haven’t decided between voting for McCain, writing Clinton in, or sitting the whole thing out.
What I’d like to see is a concerted effort in a direction by consensus so that the action sends a message.
Ditto here. And equally appalled.
If the DNC & Obama are allowed to get away with this it will be validating their despicable behavior and it will open the gates to more of the same.
This is no time to nominate an idiot and Obama proved he is that.
To quote Wes Clark: “This is no time for amateurs.” Right again, General!
Sorry but I will never sit out. I will never give Donna Brazile that satisfaction:
Message to base: stay home
If I have to crawl to the polls, which I shouldn’t, by hook or crook or absentee ballot I will get there and I will not vote for Barack Obama.
hells kitchen — I totally agree. I wish that Hillary would run as an Independent. Otherwise, I am changing parties and voting for McCain.
If Hillary isn’t the candidate you cannot write her in or sit home. You have to vote for McCain; otherwise they will win, think they have the formula for victory and keep repeating their disgraceful antics. They must be vanquished. A McCain presidency with a Democratic Congress will be ok. Remember Kerry wanted him for VP.
Dyed-in-the-wool Dems couldn’t, it’ll be like Bush voting for Hillary. This is what makes Donna’s memo so very ugly — such Dems have been taken for granted so long, and the DNC knows they won’t jump ship. So that branch of the DP tree really has only 2 choices (the writein for Hillary is like voting for Nader in 2000, a nice protest but goes nowhere): vote for their pending party leader or don’t vote at all.
Maybe, just maybe, more folks will learn how nice it is to be Independent — none of this taken for granted stuff; mixed ticket voting [this is fun, and to party types, r-a-d-i-c-a-l]; and better, no emails/letters pumping you to pay to be raped like now.
Only when these parties understand that no voting block is a given, will they reform. Until then, it’s the same BS over and over and over.
Wake up America!
Testify!!!!
Denver and the White House baby
we’ve got Hill’s back and she’s got ours
WE ARE SOLID
According to sil, they dont want a President as useless as their Govenor..
I sent an E-Mail to the DNC stating I would not vote
Obama period.
Obama is getting nervous about all us Hillary supporters who won’t vote for him. He thinks Hillary organized it. First he and Prima-Donna toss Hillary supporters and the white workers under a bus and now they want to know why we won’t vote for him.
He’s also thinks because if Hillary says they’re be “unity” even if he’s elected, her voters would be like his mindless robots, and fall in line.
Obama didn’t get the memo: Hillary’s net is cast wide, not deep. She’s netted about every demographic, and even Republicans and Conservatives. There’s no way they will vote for Obama, her supporters looked hard on qualifications, and won’t vote for Mickey Mouse for president.
I lurrrvv your user name
LURV IT!!
Twenty-six years. For 26 years I have dutifully and proudly pushed the button, pulled the lever, or touch pad the Democratic candidate. I held my nose and voted for Dukakis and then again for Kerry. After the treatment of Hillary Clinton by the DNC, Howard Dean, and many Democrats I am finished. It is quite clear that the main goal of Howard Dean and the DNC this election cycle has been to beat Hillary/the Clinton’s FIRST and follow up with whoever is the Republican candidate as an after thought.
I’m ending my relationship with the Democratic party because I cannot and will not support Obama. I’m done.
Ditto here, Denise.
What’s fascinating to me is that my straight Dem experience, yours, etc., are the very ones he’s losing.
Amazing, huh?
We’re the predictable, take it to the bank voter type.
And they have lost us.
Just a very odd year.
Perhaps they are having a go at making their own reality?
If the Cheneyites can do it, they can too.
yeah, so can a few people on this thread, too.
If you want to see how Bush and Cheney’s trolls were trolled, stick around.
Ever been to Hemut Ca, the pretentious side?
The trolls here think like that, none too bright.
Poor things just spinning around using every trick in their simple lil book, and the poor lil things are getting even more frustrated, and confused.
Pretty easy to spot when you dont have to rely on template to troll, when you’re capable of thought, when you OWN your own mind. Our trolls here, don’t own their own minds. Someone else has to think for them, or tell them what to think.
Read the Newswire piece on Rumsfeld, crazy stupid Don, and you can better understand the republican troll, and the right wing military mediocrities who support them.
CRAZY.STUPID.DON.
Imagine taking commands from that, thinking HE ccould lead, the world according to Rumsfeld….
LOL
I bet Obama followers will agree with the following…without having a clue as to its source.
“….when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
Funny old world.
The thing is the Neo-Cons never got rid of the Right-Right. We’re still here voting for Hillary, even.
It’s funny, I couldn’t vote for Hillary over “universal healthcare” and her Far-Left associations, but I sure can vote for her, because a sister is in need to break the last major glass ceiling.
She just attracts almost everyone, but the “kids” (the college types living on their parents dime; and the Blacks they reneged as children with welfare and entitlements). The DNC is willing to throw all that away, so they can install a token (that is what Obama is, a big coin of gold for the kids to get for “free”, and to buy their loyalty again with trinket).
The racism in all of this is the DNC, and how those racist jerks has treated the Black community, and made them but slaves to the party.
Commies are truly evil people, robbing individuals of self-respect and individuality.
Moi, aussi, Denise. I can’t believe what sexist tools they are–and that IS what’s going on. It’s shameful.
Denise — What got me was that Howard has lowered the delegate count so there is no doubt that her two victories in Florida and Michigan will not be counted. Between that and the Caucuses I am so done with the Democratic Party. Goodbye Teddy, Kerry, Nancy, who picks her teeth with her tongue, John Edwards and his stagey endorsement. Outside of Charlie Rangel and Barney Frank — there is no one I care about there. The other day I heard if Hillary continues to run she will be ostracized in the Senate. Its way too easy to become a fascist if you’re the impressionable Howard Dean.
If they keep it up, the DP may just as well turn up like the Federalists and the Whigs.
Even half the votes Hillary got in the primaries, as an independent, would be enough to make the indy label shine.
She started out to be the first woman president. She could start a whole new party and be president, as well.
Republicans would be more inclined to vote for a Independent, since they’re not Dems (and by the looks of it, not Far-Left), too.
Unelectability is the probable reason for Edward’s endorsement. The man is addicted to running for president.
I’m glad you started a new thread.
I’ll never vote for Obama, I don’t care if Hillary comes out and begs, or Edwards winds up as his running mate or if McCain suddenly starts eating babies. Nada, nope, NObama, no way.
I will campaign for McCain if they pull this away form Hillary. I will see to it he gets in. If they think Obama is a safer bet they have another thing coming.
Well, I’ve voted Dem since 1972 (when I turned 18) but, dammit, I WILL NOT vote for BO. I won’t vote for anyone that’s totally unqualified to be President. But I’m not voing for a nut-casse either. For the first time in my life, I will not be voting for President if BO is the nominee. The Dem party has left me, now. Clueless b*st**ds.
McCain has a 100% perfect history of voting against reproductive freedom.
Democrats lamented the Republicans for being one issue voters regarding abortion. Now, Democrats are using the same tactics to try to scare other Democrats into supporting Obama.
It appears the Democrats will not only keep the Congress but grow their numbers. Thus, if elected, McCain will be impotent to make any major changes to RvW. In addition, he will have to make moderate judicial appointments if he wants them confirmed.
I’m pro-choice with every fiber of my being but I’m not going to allow that issue to be used to manipulate me into supporting Obama.
As you Denise, I am pro-choice with every fiber of my body, however I can not be baited to vote for unqualified, manipulative candidate who I also do not respect.
I agree with comments that he may not win California, We have elected Republican Governors in last few elections (Gray Davis was the most recent Democrat who was voted out half term). If the Democratic SDs do not see this comming, then they will be in a very big surprise.
Many angry women who have been the back-bone of the Democratic party will join me in becomming Independent. Without Women, White working class, what the Democratic party will be ?? A party of AA and radical leftist whose ignorance of History will keep them forever away from the Presidency.
The ritual parade of big endorsements to steal the headlines everytime he lost big has become stale. Working class people, women are smarter than you think Barry the “emty suit”. You will be humble in November like George McGovern
Axlerod to Obama — those dumb broads will abandon Hillary - don’t worry. All we have to do is keep yelling ROE v WADE — it’s in the bag — you will be the President.
Women to Obama — GO TO HELL. We know what you are —
“The ONLY reason I won’t support Obama is that he’s an illprepared, arrogant, pampered,
insincere, inauthentic, preening, bullshitting glass-jawed, half baked, credit-taking,
sleazy, if-he’s-talkin’-he’s-lying egomaniac, backstabbing ingrate with a racial chip on his
shoulder the size of Montana. Other than that, he’s okay I guess.
kqb | 05.08.2008 - 5:15 pm “
Well not ALL women — there are the abused women who will continue to seek punishment and the younger air-heads who are ignorant of the history of feminism in the US.
The point is — WE are PISSED and we are NOT going to take this crap any more!
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Axlerod to Obama — those dumb broads will abandon Hillary - don’t worry. All we have to do is keep yelling ROE v WADE — it’s in the bag — you will be the President.
Women to Obama — GO TO HELL. We know what you are —
“The ONLY reason I won’t support Obama is that he’s an illprepared, arrogant, pampered,
insincere, inauthentic, preening, bullshitting glass-jawed, half baked, credit-taking,
sleazy, if-he’s-talkin’-he’s-lying egomaniac, backstabbing ingrate with a racial chip on his
shoulder the size of Montana. Other than that, he’s okay I guess.
kqb | 05.08.2008 - 5:15 pm “
Well not ALL women — there are the abused women who will continue to seek punishment and the younger air-heads who are ignorant of the history of feminism in the US.
The point is — WE are PISSED and we are NOT going to take this crap any more!
Me either. The Repubs don’t want Roe v Wade settled either, I finally got hip to that 2 presidential elections ago.
These young girls have to take the reigns and fight for their own rights. Or they can simply let Obama ’sweetie’ them to death. It’s their call. Not mine. I’m supporting the right candidate for women: Hillary Clinton.
Be so afraid. so afraid!
What is you fear most? when Bush says “Vote demorcatic and die” or Obama sayin we are the ones we have been waiting for”?
Neither. I’m done with partisanship guilt-tripping.
I now know my beloved Democratic party is hideously abusive.
There’s not a smidge of difference.
So I’m free from voting partisan.
teak,
but if we are the ones we’ve been waiting for, and we’ve been here all along, then why have we been waiting?
unless we have not been here, and if we have not, then where have we been? and have we gotten here yet? and if not when will we get here?
Maybe we’re just waiting for Godot. Or is BO Godot? Are WE Godot?
Hmmm…..existentialism. Should we low-information Hillary supporters even know of such things?
If we were here and waiting for ourselves, are we coming back from the future to tell ourselves we should stop waiting, if we fainted in the forest and No Obama was there to give us water would it be real..
No Obama ever
HILLARY ALL THE WAY BABY!!!
SKMF,
Do you see how fucked up that sounds. I mean really!
Well, the Dems in Congress better start doing their jobs then. It will be up to them and only them to confirm or deny McCain’s recommendations to the SCOTUS.
Think again BBB.
Well then for a time, there will be more children or fewer jollies. People can adapt, as in modify their conduct or accept the consequences.
Well then the Democratic controlled Congress would just have to get a spine and filibuster and defeat his SCOTUS nominees, wouldn’t they?
Oh well. The dems won’t let this happen and they won’t be effective holding this carrot under our noses.
The young kids have birth control. This country can’t afford anymore overpopulation and they know it.
Obama just votes present…so he doesn’t have to offend ANYONE. Gee, what a leader…. and snuggles up with homophobic “pray away the gay” preachers like McClurkin and Kirbyjon “Spritual Advisor to George Bush, and clown who married his daughter and her beau” Caldwell.
We’ll just have to count on the cooling saucer of the Senate to vet the next couple of Supreme Court Justices. We certainly can’t count on those NARAL clowns to make decent decisions, now, can we? What help are they, in the big scheme? Why none, the craven, opportunistic little shits.
BBB — The Republicans have been in charge for most of the 35 years Abortion has been legal and its still there.
what an excellent point!! GOP in both houses and WH for Dubyah and they havent overturned it and this with spineless Pelosi and Reid..
no worries here
hope some of the young women supporting Oblahma have their birth control handy
OH YEAH HILLARY MADE SURE THEY COULDNT BLOCK THE MORNING AFTER PILL
Thank Hillary you young women who think you dont need feminism ‘mock’-3 or what not, thank her loudly please…
NARAL wont have your back some of you young ladies supporting Oblahma, to each their own but dont tell me about how being a woman and a feminist doesnt mean you have to support women, and then expect women to support Roe v Wade by voting in Oblahma……
Sorry but I am looking out for the big picture this time
and Im not signing up for the 30% payroll FICA increase Oblahma wants to put on me….
Hillary or McCain all the way……
I don’t give a shit; let Obama supporters worry about it. I am an independent now.
I don’t care. At least we know where McCain stands and if Hillary isn’t the nominee he’ll stand there with a Dem Congress. Besides Kerry wanted him for VP, but he didn’t want Kerry (I was for Kerry then and didn’t understand McCain’s innate sense of smell.)
You’re on your own. I already MARCHED for YOUR reproductive freedoms. Perhaps it’s time you Obamabrats discover that these “rights” aren’t an entitlement.
What makes you think that Obama is going to protect your rights? Show me how his record indicates that he will do so.
If you mean no abortion unless it’s due to rape, incest and a threat to the mother’s life — that’s a majority opinion.
Abortion is made for emergencies.
The idea of having “abortion on demand” for irresponsible behavior is repugnant to most of this country. We don’t even put pets to sleep without the nightmare that haunts throughout our lives, and you’re saying, your firebrand holders think less of any life??
Are you Far-Left types so cold to even think less than for animals being put to sleep? That redneck that you so much hate and think is a Neandertal, would hand carry his dog back home from a Vet to die with family, and cry when he does as if he’s family.
The whole right-to-life bit isn’t just some religious push, it’s the day-to-day life of folks who care, and they don’t appreciate ANY life treated as trash to be disposed. You’ll find those on the Right as equal, if not more, helping the welfare of humans and animals, as we practice what we preach about ALL life.
Once it’s gone, there’s no coming back.
No way will I vote for Obama. He and his supporters have treated Hillary and all all of her supporters like s@#t. I will not forget that.
Like all of us, I’ve really struggled with this. Frankly, I’m not about to vote for McCain. He’s way too conservative for me. I do not wish to give any sign of approval of this year by voting for Obama, either. I’m not about to write in Hillary, since that would expose her to more bashing, and I’m convinced that this season has caused many people to become literally ill by watching a very normal and nice lady get abused over and over. So I’m not going to do anything that would put her up for abuse.
What I’ve decided….downticket counts.
I’m no longer a Democrat, but there were some very fine moments along the way. Nutter, for example. He was fabulous. He should be in national politics.
I’m going to focus on the politicians down-ticket, and choose to support them based on what I saw of their real character. This season pulled the covers on a lot of them.
I now have real information.
The presidency is over-rated, in my opinion.
So I’ll leave that blank when I vote, but you bet your booties I’ll vote…….and it will be a thoughtful mixed bag of quality Republicans, quality Democrats, and others.
No retaliation voting for me.
but this season has DEFINITELY changed my voting pattern.
The Democrats will never again get my automatic vote.
I must add, I’m fairly young in terms of voting years left. LOL*
So this decision will benefit the country, but Democrats are going to hate it.
I’m no longer “in their pocket.”
I agree with much of what you write but I feel the behavior of the Obama campaign the MSM and trhe DNC should not be validated with the chance of an Obama win. These people have behave in the same sexist and deplorable manner the Reps. have done before; undoing much progress in women rights for example. So, if tehy win, that validates their behavior and there will be NO party standing up for what is right.
My thinking is, if HRC is not the nominee I will vote to defeat the Dem.
nominee to guarantee that in the future they think twice before doing this again. At least that will salvage the chance that in the future at least 1 party
behaves in a semi-decent fashion.
I will vote straight Dem. down the ticket for Congress.
I respect, personally, all solutions this year.
I’ve struggled.
My decision?
I’m no longer even interested in partisanship.
It makes me feel like tossing my cookies at this point.
So, I can get back to my own ideals/principles by examining the real records of real people in office.
But I vow to never be “straight” anything again.
It’s obviously not a fair system.
Andy,
This is my take, too. I did it in 1988. And it wasn’t as nearly catastrophic as I thought. I survived. And as a gift, The Dems finally got it right with a 2 term president: Bill Clinton.
I’m not going to even chance Obama sneakin in the back door. Didn’t you hear what Brazile said?
Message to base: stay home
Sorry, but no can do.
Obama will have to
WIN WITHOUT ME!!!
yeah Queen Donna would like that wouldnt she
if the far right and the alienated disenfranchised Hillary supporters stayed home, Oblahma could win
NO NO NO
NO I SAY!!
Sorry Donna Ive got a newsflash for you if you push out our wonderful candidate, God Forbid, I will slap the McCain sticker on the right side of the bumper to balance the Hillary sticker on the left and raise money for the man to keep your Golden One out of power, he plans to take over our party and our system, Samantha Powers talked to BBC about how grand it will be when her pal in Canada and Obama “rule N America”
“rule” she left Mexico out of her equation
she also said Oblahama plans to eliminate Electionocracy or some crxp like that..
NO MO OBLAHMA
Right on, Andy. Except in my case I’m not voting for Durbin who has stood by Obama through thick an thin.
Im going Medieval on their axses
I suspect the cabal of dunces in DC like Pelosi and Reid dont care if Oblahma loses, they figure any Dems voting McCant will vote downticket Dems as a check on him and they will win/win
I wont reward any SD who went Oblahma over HRC and I let them know very politely why and what the positions are based on..
I didnt fight to get rid of JD Hayworth so Harry Mitchell could come and support Oblahama with absolutely no reason aside from CHANGE..
a pox on all their houses..
It’s a sad day when I trust McCant over Oblahama to protect SS, McCant PROMISES on his website to keep SS whole and ADD a matching program, Oblahma told CNBC Bartiromo when asked how he would pay for his programs, he said: well Maria the 3 things the Fed Govt spends the most money on are Defense S and Medicare
I am unwilling to cut any of those programs right now without Hillary at the helm protecting us and our FDR ideals
I trust McCain more and I think his word is worth something unlike Oblahma…
I agree with much of what you write but I feel the behavior of the Obama campaign the MSM and the DNC should not be validated with the chance of an Obama win. These people have behave in the same sexist and deplorable manner the Reps. have done before; undoing much progress in women rights for example. So, if they win, that validates their behavior and there will be NO party standing up for what is right.
My thinking is, if HRC is not the nominee I will vote to defeat the Dem.
nominee to guarantee that in the future they think twice before doing this again. At least that will salvage the chance that in the future at least 1 party
behaves in a semi-decent fashion.
I will vote straight Dem. down the ticket for Congress.
Re: Nutter
See, there is an AA I could vote for. I could vote for Rodney Slater too. I respect both of these men. I can’t vote for BO though. Am I still a racist?
If you’re a Dem and can’t vote for McCain, or now Barr, vote for Nader. He’s at least pushing social issues that’s appealing to Dems.
Just don’t sit the election out, and give into Donna. Show her that you’re not a vote to be taken for granted.
Vote your conscience, either way of the aisle, but DO VOTE!
I agree with a comment beebop wrote in the previous thread. Obama looked extremely weak today with Edwards having to come out to his rescue to try to dispel the notion Obama is a failure and will not capture the blue colar, wroking class americans. The DNC elite looked desperate and both Edwards and Obama, but especially Obama looked terribly weak.
It exposed Obama’s need for all party bosses to come to his rescue after being humiliated by the People of West Virginia !! Today’s show in MI was pathetic.
The fact that was in MI a state both Obama and Edwards snub was even more
pitiful…. what a couple of LOSERS ….
Yup, but the problem is: Voters so aren’t persuaded by endorsements.
They make up their mind on a completely different set of standards.
It was a “moment” and bumped her off the chatter, but that’s not even so bad. Over-chatter about the imporance of the exit polls also aggravates people.
They frankly don’t need all this “help” to vote. We’ve been doing this for our entire lives. We know what matters to us.
And we don’t need chatter-boxes to explain it, either.
Exit polls:
They keep asking white voters if race was a factorin their votes. I want to know why they don’t ask the 90% of black voters if race was a factor in their votes??
Because it’s obvious.
Just shows Tammany Hall doesn’t work well in this day and age.
They can’t buy votes today without landing themselves in the pokey. So their biggest way to influence is beyond them — no matter how they gerrymander a district when $$$$ doesn’t work; or use the media to hammer home their message.
The best thing cable did was water down the influence of news to influence votes, too. Over 400 other channels to tune into. This isn’t 1976, where families watched the news together that was limited to 30 minutes (no time for political poppycock, 30 minutes twice a day, and maybe a 1 minute newsbreak at 8pm).
On top of it, we now have the “internetz” and we can have 24/7 politics OF OUR OWN LIKES.
Nope, they can try to play the kingmaker game, but traitors get the traitor treatment in the end, even if politically.
Edwards thinks his FL delegates will do as he says and vote for Obama cuting
HRC delegate lead in FL to 25. Funny thing is I doubt the FL delegates will care much about Edwards opinion after he did nothing and stayed silent like a coward for so long about solving the MI and FL debacle.
No, Edwards is bright. He doesn’t expect anything like that.
He just waited until Obama was the presumptive nominee to endorse.
Frankly, that’s OK.
I think he views this as a mediator role, stepping up to the plate, so to speak. Note the positive comments about Hillary.
If he hadn’t stepped up, he’d have been criticized. If he does, he’s criticized.
But he sliced the “baby” as well as we could hope he would do.
He also plugged her health care plan.
Edwards was connected to Axlerod, and Trippi.
I have to disagree, I think the deal was in a long time ago, and I think the man is a skunk.
Too bad.
But thanks for the poverty plug, john, there really was a need to pierce the reaganism greed, bring the issue of poverty to the forefront, again.
Same with the lobbyists…
LOL
I never did like Edwards. I think he is insincere and his wife knows it. He’s a two time loser. Another loser endorsing a loser. Voters can see that.
No, Edwards is not so bright nor does he have any good intentions here.
Edwards reacted with panic to HRC 41 % kick in the butt to Obama. Just as the rest of the DNC elite bosses; this was clearly the Obama, Edwards and the DNC in full panic mode….
There is more panic to come-KY and Puerto Rico
Sorry, the timing of this shows Edwards in an EXTREMELY poor light. This was obviously planned, he didn’t just wake up this morning and decide, and it was planned for today because they knew the results from yesterday’s vote would be disasterous for BO. They wanted to change the subject and get the attention away from HRC.
Edwards doesn’t matter one way or the other to the voters in the remaining primaries. He should have just held off until the voting was over. This was a tacky, classless move on his part. As for BO? Par for the course.
AnninCA I think what Edwards did today was the biggest slap in the face at Hillary and women in general. After praising her he says I am endorsing Obama. It was unforgivable. Just another Democrat sexist.
Yes it was, and Edwards gave it away when he said this in reference to Obama:
“There is one man who knows that this is a time for bold leadership…”
Edwards prefers that a man be the president. Even if that man is woefully less qualified than the woman running. It’s obvious.
If they do vote for Obama, I believe their political careers are over. The Republicans wouldn’t want them, either.
If the DNC wants to play the block vote game, it can work both ways.
FL and CA goes to the GOP, kiss any election over.
Not that I believe Dems would work to make the GOP win, but if they did this time, they can gain some political capital to use to their needs (why it’s so important to not burn bridges, but to build them. New party is in, no big deal, as you have a stack of IOUs). Politicians love striking deals when it suits them, and the GOP is ripe for deal making to keep a Commie out of the White House.
Do some horse trading, and put that Mancharian sleeper to bed.
Oh, and remember SCOTUS is up for grabs, folks.
Do some heavy horse trading and not throw everything to hopeychangey (put all eggs in one basket, only to have it stolen in the GE). At least with trading you get signed deals that’s harder to renege upon, than maybe nothing if McCain wins without IOUs.
Need some good solid IOUs, and get them when the GOP is weak as they’re more inclined to trade. Never ever think, “all or nothing”, that’s how Dems have been out for so long.
They also likely will cost Mary Landrieu of Louisiana her seat in November. She was narrowly elected six years ago over a strong Republican effort (with a not very good candidate) and the opposition of the Catholic Church because of abortion. She is fairly popular because of her work to get money for storm recovery, but this puts things in a different light.
Since Katrina, the black community has been scattered, although there were enough blacks to defeat Mary’s brother for Mayor of New Orleans after Ray Nagin played the race card. After that, many won’t vote for Mary because she is now a racist like the Clintons are for not bending over.
And, we have a new, popular (not with me) Republican governor, Bobby Jindal. Jindal lost in his first bid because he is East Indian and many in North Louisiana thought he was black, if that tells you anything.
After the obligatory campaign appearance with Obama, she will be tied to him and his baggage by the Republican attack machine; it won’t be hard.
Hmmmmmmm*…….Mississippi Dems did well in their special election, although the Republicans tried to tie them to Obama.
So we’ll see.
Very conservative MS dems, almost republican like, so don’t fool yourself, someone here provided an excellent analysis.
Really dangerous water to attribute success to a wholly ineffective technique, simply to feel successful, when it had nothing to do with an apparent win.
Truth is brutal, weak egos must avoid it at all costs, esp the narcissists…
The Dem in Mississippi had to air an ad in which he specifically distanced himself from Obama. Obama is a problem, and the Dem in Mississippi had polling data that indicated he HAD to separate himself from Obama if he were to win.
It’s Blue Dog country, like the rest of the South. My state senator will have to go with Obama, but he’s a Blue Dog regardless (or Max will be back!!).
So if Dean et al thinks they got their Far-Left win, they haven’t seen how it is to work with multiple Zell Millers (the GOP coined his nickname, “Zig Zag”, and it’s true).
The South can change to be Dem, but not the values. Nothing will change them, as even Blacks here are conservative — and thanks to the even Jeremiah Wright’s churches, too.
What a blowup in Dean et al faces. They’re truly nubs to REAL politics.
Well, well, well, I jsut got a begging letter from Edwards- imagine that. Now just where oh where did he get my e-mail address???
For my answer, check out my blog
http://tinyurl.com/65gr7b
I am livid! Did Edwards sell out for access to a data base??? You warned us, but I did not think I had to worry, because i am not in Barry’s data base. never thought the DNC would pull the same crap!
Look at it this way: Think of all the fun you can have with a fundraising letter from Obama.
The democratic party of WA — gave or sold or whatever — their database to Obama. I started getting calls from snObama brats — and I just hung up on the bastards.
Then Dodd handed Obama HIS email list (I had sent an email to Dodd thanking him for something or the other)
Then Kerry and Edwards send email — I always respond to their garbage with a rude reply.
I suspect that Obama has us all listed somewhere — he either bought or his little followers stole email lists.
Next — snObama will be writing to us asking for donations to keep him out of jail.
Oh, and that database will contain more than just your address. In the datamining business, they need demographics that’s on the DNA level. So expect them shopping around for more personal data as well — cataloguing your viewpoints; background checks and more.
I don’t give parties a dime. Not into datamining (and I’ll give them a headache, as there’s no category to put me in — just like an Independent voter likes it).
Folks, not pay to be raped by these money dealers. There’s a reason why the internet isn’t regulated on personal info, too.
Like many of you I think I knew that Edwards would eventually come out for Obama even though it makes no sense when you look at the issues and positions of Edwards, Obama and Clinton. At least Elizabeth was not on the stage today and I would like to dream that she is true blue for UHC and is not going to sell out for a lesser product.
I have thought about what all this adds up to going forward and it seems to me that this was Obama’s ace of SDs and it also sets him up to get Edwards votes and delegates in MI and FL—I can hear him make the claim for all the uncommitted in MI and for everything but Hill in FL. That would make the seating of MI and FL acceptable, even though it would not be what those voters probably all had in mind.
Can Edwards help Obama in KY? I think that may be problematic. Edwards lost big in KY in 2004 to Kerry and Kerry and Edwards lost big in KY to GWB so I don’t think Edwards has a lot to add.
What really stands out about this is the timing of the announcement to trash Hillary’s big news cycle on the evening news, the booing from O supporters when Edwards spoke favorably about Hillary at the beginning, and the physical picture of it all—the guys piling on—again.
In calling voters today in OR several get the piling on and they did not like it. Hope there are lots of them who feel that way.
Be even more cool if Elizabeth came out for Clinton.
I don’t think Edwards will have any effect at all, he is not popular, even in his home state, it is said.
And being a hypocrite, it’s easy to see why…
I’m not surprised. Voters get this “timing” stuff now.
They aren’t sheep.
And enough information is out there now that even Edwards talk about kicking out the corporate guys rang false.
Excuse me?
We’ve all seen the numbers now about who is really backing Obama.
And we all know it was Hillary who let people see the doner list from the get-go, not Obama.
Nothing is going to change.
That much as been established. His “new” and “shiny” persona is trashed now.
But…….he is the presumptive nominee.
And……unless a meteor strikes, we’re stuck with him.
Edwards can not help Obama.
Edwards has no illusions that he can help him.
Obama will get crushed in KY just like WV.
Kentuckians saw how SNL insulted Hoosiers with their disgusting Hillary opening sketch, which basically suggested that we are all a bunch of ex-klansmen.
What the hell does SNL know about Hoosiers. The quickest way to get your ass kicked in an Indiana bar is to question character of or contributions to the NFL of Tony Dungy.
Kentuckians saw how West Virginians got slammed as racists.
They are not going give Obama a pass.
Senator James Webb wrote a great book on the Scotch-Irish in American. He pointed out that their instinctive distrust of the overtly pious and those they see as self serving and hypocritical predates their arival in the New World.
Obama got his ass kicked in WV because they saw him as somebody who is incapable of simple honest heartfelt patriotism in Appalachia which has some of the nation’s highest per captia enlistment rates. They saw him as just another condescending liberal elitist.
Chris Rock has a great routine about why Bill Clinton was loved by AAs. Rock pointed out that when somebody handed Clinton a black baby he radiated a genuine affection and joy that was contagious. AAs unmistakably picked up on it.
Truth is Obama’s assh*le puckers when he is around “rednecks” and “hillbillies”. Obama suffers from a real identity crisis. His two books are full of his incrediable narcissism and inability to come to term with his own bi-racial heritage.
These two are guilty of screwing Hill out of her Mi votes in the first place. They knew she would win MI so they removed their names. They do not have an honorable bone in their body and they want to govern? uh uh
It’s not issues. A decade from now, Edwards could be a Republican or some other party mover-shaker, with a different platform.
Politicians are salespeople. They sell ideas. When the weather is bad, they sell umbrellas. When the weather is good, they sell lemonade. Party types get their marching orders from their Boss, and look for a commission for being a good regional salesperson.
It’s like a business.
BUT, this time Edwards can’t sell what prefers to sell, since his market has a new product that is a fad, and strongarming for a control of the market in his backyard.
If he ever wants to sell umbrellas and lemonade ever again, he has to gladhand his rival product. In return, he may get a contract to work in his district and beyond.
That’s how these political “stars” remain in politics. It was never the issues itself, it’s what they can sell, make some profit out of it, and keep the Boss happy. Voters are just the smucks willing to pay for the warranties, and even to be robbed when they ask for more perks.
Business as usual.
They’re the “uncommited” team in Michigan who intended to humiliate Hillary in here the primary. Their relationship didn’t just start. Edwards and Obama were as classy as rabid jackals to Hillary when they teamed up on her in the debates.
I hated when they ganged up on her in the first debates. That’s when I started really disliking Edwards. His poor wife is stuck with him and his ego.
The RNC had nice things to say about Edwards’ endorsement:
THE OTHER JOHN EDWARDS: ATTACKED OBAMA DURING THE PRIMARY
Former Sen. Edwards Has Attacked Obamas Record And Experience:
Edwards Attacked Obama For His Voting Present Over 100 Times In The Illinois State Legislature. Edwards: Why would you over a hundred times vote present. Obama: John Edwards: I mean, every one of us, every one - youve criticized Hillary, youve criticized me for our votes. Weve cast hundreds and hundreds of votes. What youre criticizing her for, by the way, youve done to us, which is you pick this vote and that vote out of the hundreds that we have - (applause) - and all Im saying is, whats fair is fair. You have every right to defend any vote, you do, and I respect your right to do that on any - on any substantive issue. It does not make sense to me and what if I had just not shown up (Former Sen. John Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama, CNN Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Myrtle Beach, SC, 1/21/08)
Click Here To View: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eDVoXQzSgnA
Edwards Attacked Obamas Experience And Noted That He Is Relatively New To National Politics. Edwards: [I] think that Barack Obama, because he is relatively new to national politics, its, its not as clear to me where he stands on, on, on issues. And, and no, Im not faulting him for that, I justI think he just hasnt been around as long, so he doesnt have as long a track record (NBCs Meet the Press, 2/4/07)
Edwards On Obamas Early Opposition To The Iraq War: He Was A State Senator. Edwards: [Sen. Obama] wasnt burdened, like a lot of us, with the information that we were receiving on the Intelligence Committee and as members of the United States Senate. We were getting very intimate detailed information about what was actually happening in Iraq. Senator Obama, I think, what did you say? He was a state senator. So he obviously wasnt in the Congress and wasnt part of the decision-making. (NBCs Meet The Press, 2/4/07)
Edwards Called A Nonbinding Resolution Against The Iraq Troop Surge Favored By Obama Useless. That nonbinding resolution against the Iraq troop surge favored by Barack Obama? Useless, said Edwards. Exactly like a child standing in the corner and stomping his feet. (Roger Simon, Edwards 08: Talking Tough, The Politico, 2/1/07)
The Edwards Campaign Criticized Obamas Position On A 2007 War Funding Bill. The Edwards camp is taking issue with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for telling the Associated Press that if President Bush vetoes the war funding bill because of its timetable for troop withdrawal from Iraq, the Congress will provide the president with another version that lacks such a provision. According to the AP, Obama explained this by saying that no lawmaker wants to play chicken with our troops. (Teddy Davis, Edwards Camp Takes Issue With Obama For Not Forcing Showdown With Bush On Iraq, ABC News Political Radar Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 4/2/07)
Edwards Criticized Obamas Previous Acceptance Of Contributions From PACs And Federal Lobbyists. Edwards: And Im proud of the fact that Ive never taken any money, unlike Sen. Obama, never taken any money from a Washington lobbyist or a PAC. (Former Sen. John Edwards, Press Conference, 12/22/07)
Early In The 2008 Presidential Campaign, Edwards Criticized Obamas Lack Of Substance And Highfalutin Language On Health Care. John Edwardsthe candidate Obama pushed into third place in the pollsis more specific, suggesting that Obamas fine words are no substitute for his missing health-care policy. We have a responsibility, if you want to be president of the United States, to tell the American people what it is you want to do, Edwards said at last weeks presidential debate in South Carolina. Rhetoric isnt enough. Highfalutin language is not enough. (Richard Wolffe, Details, Details, Newsweek, 5/7/07)
Edwards Took A Veiled Shot At Obama By Claiming That Its Not Enough To Talk About Hope. Edwards: I hope you will put a really rigorous test to [the presidential candidates]. I dont know about you, but Im tired of the rhetoric. Its not enough to talk about hope and were all going to feel good. Were past that. This is a very serious time in American history. Its time for anybody running for president to treat this seriously. I have talked about hope and inspiration in the past, and theyre wonderful things, but you have to translate them into action. (John Dickerson, Op-Ed, Edwards Emotionalism, Slate, 4/3/07)
The Only Way It Could Have Been Clearer That He Was Talking About Obama Would Have Been For Him To Hold Up The Illinois Senators Book Jacket And Point To It. (John Dickerson, Op-Ed, Edwards Emotionalism, Slate, 4/3/07)
Thanks for the post Marie.
It’s politics. He waited to see who won his state and endorsed the winner. That way he doesn’t tick off his constituency.
And the party Boss. Can’t piss him off, if he ever wants to sell lemonade again.
Folks will see the light and become an Independent. Because they’ll eventually reach the point of no return with the Boss/Salesperson routine. There’s neither in the Indy camp, it’s pure issues, with beautiful umbrellas and fresh squeezed lemonade made by ourselves.
So now you’ve stooped to quoting the RNC?
Nicely done. I’m sure you make Hillary proud. Did you see her interview with Wolf Blitzer? She said very clearly that she hopes her supporters vote for Obama.
Every single nasty post on this thread make me very proud to have voted for Obama. I think he has a great chance of winning, and will be a great president. I would still vote for Hillary if she won, but am thrilled to support Obama.
You are thrilled to vote for Obama. Did you hear the rapture and did you get all tingly up your leg?
Hmmm and whyyyyy are you voted for an empty headed thug?
No rapture, no tingle, just proud to vote for a Democrat who has a real chance of winning.
His head isn’t empty and he isn’t a thug. I would have voted for Edwards, but he was out by the time I got to vote. I came to the conclusion that Obama was the next best candidate, and apparently Edwards did too. I was proud of my vote then, and the vitriol on this site makes me even more proud.
yikes — I love Hillary but I will not vote for a man who hates white people and hangs with people who hate my country. 17 Million people voted for Hillary and support her — you had better get used to losing a lot of Democratic votes if he is the nominee. However, perhaps Obama can just bus in some teenages to take our place.
Yikes, was sucked in by the talk of hope and change; and believes even now in the face of growing evidence that she must keep up the pretense that it’s true. She will face the realiztion she was duped; eventually she will wake up and then her anger will match ours.
Yikes was sucked in by the talk of hope and change; and she believes even now in the face of growing evidence that she must keep up the pretense that it’s true. She will face the realiztion she was duped; eventually she will wake up and then her anger will match ours.
His mother was white. His grandmother is white. His grandfather was white and served in the military. His family history is in his blood and is a major part of what makes him who he is. He does not hate white people because he IS a white person.
If you truly do judge people by the company they keep then you must not have done much research into Hillary’s friends and allies. Some of them (including Mark Penn) have been involved in some very shady business. Go ahead and google Burson-Marsteller if you don’t believe me. As shady as some of these characters are, they pale in comparison to the company John McCain keeps.
I do not believe that every person who voted for Hillary will be so shallow that they will ignore the good of the country and policy beliefs because of whatever petty anger they feel about the primaries. I may care deeply about politics, you may care deeply about politics, but most people just want to live a happy life. I hope that they will realize that four more years of Bush policy isn’t worth whatever satisfaction may come out of being stubborn because their candidate didn’t win.
His mother? Why wasn’t Little Lord Obama proud of his mama? Read his book, asshole. He’ll tell you. Actually, I think the word was contempt.
Sincerely,
Just another typical white person…
There was an article in Time about his mother, she was a bit of a free spirit and when she moved back to the pacific islands he chose to stay with his grandparents. MANY people have difficulties with their parents, that doesn’t mean that you don’t love them. He craved stability while his mother was a wanderer. She knew what he was writing about and was OK with it.
You don’t realize, that not everyone supporting Hillary is a Dem, and not every Dem can stomach Obama, no matter even if Hillary says to “make up”.
Some issues don’t get crossed. Ayers et al is but one of them. Going to bed with such fleas can spread disease.
Did everyone hear the booing? I mean did all media outlets pick it up?
If so, that will do more for HRC than some botoxicated head blathering on and on about the size of her victory.
They always boo. It’s the age.
Welcome to the future? *blech*
Rudeness is so…
Well, anyway, I think it’s crass. But they are young and rude.
It may be the age.
It also reflects badly on the values of the candidate and the quality of his “leadership.”
He condones and enables yobbery. Perhaps he doesn’t know how to put a stop to it. Perhaps he is too timid to try.
What’s all that high-minded horseshit good for if it does not translate into action?
Are the people in Kentucky big on yobbery?
free speech sucks
No. Ugly, hateful vile speech does… especially coming from a bullshitter who poses as a uniter. Like I stated downthread, Carrie- YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
AnninCA It doesn’t bother Obama if his supporters are rude. Has he said one thing about Randi Rhodes calling Hillary and Geralding Ferraro Fucking Whores. Obama likes his supporters to be thugs.
the above refers to Comment by jangles | 2008-05-14 21:56:46
Hubbie heard it on the radio today. He said it sounded horrible. Disgraceful.
Nice way to treat the former First Lady. I saw it live (CNN) and what bothered me even more was the HUGE smile on Obama’s face when they booed and hissed. Uniter, my ass.
And to think of it, he doesn’t do it unless the Boss allows it.
This hate for the Clintons is beyond just the GOPers, it’s inbred in the DP itself. Everyone can just point to the guy who seems to have blamed the South itself for his brother’s death — Teddy. Because Bill was from Arkansas, that woman killer will do everything in his power to purge both Bill and Hillary.
Hope Teddy croaks in his wine cellar, under the racks he probably made mischief with another “girl”; or his family helped raped or kill again.
Dark Camelot indeed. >:(
yw
I need to e-mail his comments to him he can use a magnet and put it on his refrigerator.
If you look at her experience Hillary is the best candidate. BUT that’s not what americans look at. We want someone who we would want to have a beer with. Remember Bush! Obama has some good ideas and is liked by many Democrats. He has made lots of promises and has given hope to many.
Here’s my problem - I stopped believing in heroes when I was 12. The things he wants to accomplish will come at a price. Many americans are not willing to pay the price - give up their SUV’s!!!! Also he simplifies many issues just like other politicians - give every american health insurance and do away with no child left behind - its just not that easy - just ask Hillary. You need to have feasable programs and then get others to sign off on them. Then you need to face unforseen repercussions of your actions. (IT’S NOT THAT EASY)
I believe he has good intentions but does not know what he is up against. I’d feel better if he picks Hillary as his running mate.
I know what you’re saying. She is someone who “grows” on you.
He grabbed attention.
But he’s actually not all that charismatic. He is definitely no Bill Clinton.
I am sure of this. The person he most envies?
Bill.
He can’t do it 24-7. He can move big crowds, but he’s a flop close up.
That is driving him nuts.
His big crowds are all pretense. They consisted of bussed in paid workers (they get a steak dinner for doing it)
It’s all done for public perception effect. But Obama isn’t doing it anymore and he’s getting less of a crowd than Bill Clinton now.
I’ve seen with my own two eyes in Oregon.
Baloney.
I think there are a whole LOT of people in the Democratic elite who envy Bill Clinton. He is what they are not, a winner.
The Republicans take a mediocre President like Reagan and positively venerate him. The Democrats take a successful President like Clinton (the only Democratic president of my adult life) and smear him as a racist and attack him at every turn. He campaingns and raises funds for wastes-of-space like Claire McCaskill and his thanks? She says she wouldn’t let her daughter be alone in a room with him. He saves Ted Kennedy’s drunken ass from getting beat by Romney and his thanks? Ted says Hillary isn’t ‘inspirational’ enough to be even the fricking VP!?!
I have never seen anything like this bunch…they’ve sure made it easy to walk away from them, I’ll give ‘em that.
street_parade — You’re so right. Your comment brought tears to my eyes. They are jealous of the Clintons because they’re winners. When Teddy dissed Hillary last week he said she lacked leadership skills. Where are his leadership skills? The man just loves being one of the guys in the Senate. When Hillary was pushing her healthcare plan in 1994 Teddy said I didn’t know that healthcare was such a priority or I would have instituted a plan 20 years prior. Fast forward another 14 years and he still has no healthcare plan. I heard they call Senators Show Horses or Work Horse–Hillary would be a work horse–Obama a show horse and Kennedy a Plow Horse.
I wonder if the people of Missouri are taking a second look at McCaskill?
Glad someone else sees it. Bill doesn’t need a teleprompter to raise the house. He just speaks, and folks listen.
Hillary is also learning more the art of gib. She just needs to rub some of Bill’s charisma onto herself. Then that smile will do more than look radiant, it can uplift the house.
Obama is not someone you’d want a beer with. The man radiates snobbishness and coldness.
Bush didn’t. Kerry was another cold fish who radiates elitism.
These character flaws are one reason why he can’t win industrial states with large working class populations.
The other is, he doesn’t offer them anything besides his contempt.
Remember his “bitter” comment?
Wrong.
No, very, very right!
High impact poster.
Come on, Bush was a slush. He knows his alcohol well, and in doing so, Joe Sixpack could better relate to him.
I don’t see Hillary as a beer drinker at the country bar. I do see her as someone to enjoy a cocktail with to talk business, though.
Hillary doesn’t need to down Wallbangers to be “hip”, a woman has more class and drinks appropriately. Give her a glass a wine, and women all over can relate, as GENTLEMEN can as well.
The msm supported Obama from the start because they will not tolerate the Clinton’s vast knowledge, flawless reasoning, and spectacular governing record back in office.
They’re pulling out all the stops now, and whatshisname’s endorsement may be a ploy to give his FL and MI votes to Obama.
People may object that they voted for Edwards, not Obama, and that the votes belong to the voters, not to Edwards to do with as the party bosses wish. If the ploy fails, at least they’ve taken attention from Clinton’s latest win. And they can just move on to the next swindle.
Face it. There is no way the powers that be will allow our most successful leaders back into the presidency.
No, the MSM has become the new sports commentators of tabloid TV. They don’t call the newsroom the bullpen for nothing, ya know?
Why the likes of George Will, despite his corrupt ways, could fit in with the Far-Left like they were team players. They all talk sports, and in that environment, it breeds that distaste for women being but, “pussies” to conquer.
The news has descended into the locker room, complete with jock-straps as “supporters” to whatever team that wins.
i used to say, if a dog is the presidential candidate of DP, i’ll vote for a dog. But now, i can’t even vote for a dog. they lost me. i wish Hillary will have another party. I will not vote for Obama.
Last week when Edwards was talking about the postives/negatives of Clinton and Obama, he said that Obama occasionally lacks substance. That’s no small criticism in my opinion. Obama has, in fact, compared himself to Reagan - light on substance, heavy on inspiration. A president has to be ready to think on her feet in any situation - in times of crisis; in foreign countries where there are significant cultural differences, etc.
I don’t want us to be represented by a bumbler again!
Obama keeps digging himself a hole. He thinks all of this is going to be forgotten.
He has got Edwards now to go talk to the white people of KY. Obama doesn’t have the courage to face them or deal with rural America.
Interesting who is Obama going to get to speak when he debates McCain.I hope Hillary Clinton is too busy that day.
Remember Senator Byrd? Didn’t work for the rural Southern vote outside his state, right?
Just like the military leaders tries to push as war heros: putting lipstick on a pig, won’t make Obama a “good o’ boy”.
How is it that Hillary wins WV in a landslide and Obama gets way more delegates. this has been a pattern across the country???
It’s magic!
Obama won these states with 60% or more landslides: ID, HI, WA, GA, CO, MN, AK
Idaho - caucus (21K votes cast)
Washington - caucus (vote totals not on CNN, have they even been released?)
Colorado - caucus(119K votes cast)
Minnesota - caucus (211K votes cast)
Hawaii - caucus (37K votes cast)
Alaska - caucus (total votes - 406!!)
Georgia — FINALLY an election which he did win big. Thank God for small favors. Its a problem in the general considering that over 50% of the primary vote was African American (and Georgia is Republican red), but at least it was a real vote with over 1 million ballots cast. When you compare GA to the tiny vote totals in your caucus ‘landslides’ you see the problem don’t you?
In the 5 caucus contests you mention where vote totals are available BO got a TOTAL of 147K votes more than HRC; HRC got 148K votes more than BO yesterday in one primary. She wiped out his vote advantage from 5 caucuses in one primary. Caucuses favor the candidate with the most zealous support - advantage BO. Primaries favor the candidate with the widest base of support - advantage HRC.
Come the convention HRC will have the lead in votes and BO the lead in delegates, but neither will have the 2209 needed to nominate. The goal is to beat McCain — the general election is not a caucus, it is not proportional representation - it is WINNER TAKE ALL.
And that happened, because Hillary didn’t campaign here like Bill did in 1992 (it was the biggest voter push I ever saw — they had booths at Wal-Mart signing folks up to vote. This election? Not even a Hillary sign anywhere to show their precence).
Obama got the vote here because, like with Obama in WV, he/she thought the votes weren’t there. The reply is — “okay, you don’t support us, we’ll support someone who does”.
Biggest mistake politicians do is consider a state “fly over” country.
I just hope Hillary isn’t into the “game”, though. Being the “scapegoat” to be sacrificed for the “good of the party”, to win points later. Because she could’ve campaigned here, and be more than a 4pm to 8pm campaign office in the middle of nowhere (and not in the part of the county where the Dem machine has been for decades, even!).
Pre or Post Wright?
I hope Hillary doesn’t stump for him. She’s got to stop being a doormat.
What good Democrats you all are.
Nope, good Americans. Why are you here?
Indeed, we are and we will save the party from Obama, the traitor: he is NO Democrat and obviously neither are you Carrie.
Well, that’s a wrap, folks. Millions of words, most of them angry, most of them destructive to the party, and what’s to show for it? I’m sorry to say that I gave up on this otherwise excellent blog when it turned nasty a few months ago. Not sorry that I gave up on it; sorry that I had to.
Like it or not, and I’m not sure that I do - I supported Richardson, Dodd and Biden, in that order - we’ve got what we’ve got. Whatcha gonna do now? It’s Obama or McCain. Or Barr, if you’re so inclined. Hell, I could have lived with Crazy Ron Paul, but even he admits he’s toast.
There it is.
Good night and good luck.
Steve — we didn’t destroy the Democratic Party they have done that themselves. I have gone along with the party for 40 years but I will not vote for a man who hangs with people who hate this country. McCain was tortured for 5 years. He served this country and is a hero–he has been in the Senate a long time and has paid his dues. I will vote for him.
By the way the party threw out Hillary supporters. Prima Donna Brazile called Hillary supporters, Anti American, Vile and Crude. I don’t stay where I’m not wanted.
You are the first of many who will blame Hillary and her supporters for the massive loss Obama will suffer in November. They will never come to terms with the fact that they chose to lose when they chose to support a loser.
It really is 1972 again. The party will never be destroyed. It does get marginalized every now and then. The people who marginalize it are the fringe radicals who rear their marxist heads every decade or so, while entrancing the bored children, only to find out that the majority, who happen to be moderates, will have none of this. We might have elected more than two presidents in the past thirty years if they cozied on back to their own fringe party instead of trying to hijack ours.
Maybe a new party. One where decent Americans who care about the country and ALL people, not just special interests and one voter block.
No more #2? Are you shutting down your blog. Susan?
Where will you find work? We’re not going anywhere.
Sorry, keep forgetting I’m a moron
I would guess that soon you will be shut down, kind of like what Kos does to us. However, your wishful thinking will not come to fruition. Should Barky be our embarrassing nominee, work will continue against him.
That means I can stay?
I think I went to heaven! A Dem blog that’s more into country than mere talking points? Lefty CIA even?
Count me in.
Buh, bye.
At this rate, you’ll be the last to turn the lights out.
Must be lonely being an Obamatic.
It doesn’t matter. Didn’t you hear Roland Martin say on CNN that Obama doesn’t need Ohio or West Virginia and Lou Dobbs looked at him like he was crazy and told him that no sitting Democratic President has ever won the White House since 1916 without the state of West Virginia. If WV, PA, OH, FL (who have lots of delegates) go for McCain, Obambi is toast. I already happen to think he is toast.
And this is TO CARRIE, since when are the states you listed as going to Obambi (such as Idaho (ha,ha, ha I have to laugh) or even Washington, the state I live in, important in the general election??????? It’s the large delegate counts little one. The big swing states like PA, OH, IN, TX, FL, all states that Obambi lost, that have hundreds of delegates and those are the ones that really count.
AND to BBB: John McCain is already ahead of the “chosen one” in Massachusetts by I think I last read about a week ago: 10%. Hillary is way ahead in Massachusetts and so is John McCain. The tone of the article was shock but they could only attribute that Massachusetts for the first time would go Republican because Obambi’s little friend Deval Patrick has such abyssmal approval ratings in the state. So Massachusetss will be going Red this year if Hillary isn’t the nominee. There will be a lot of other states that will follow. The big ones that I listed above.
I will be re-registering as an Independent, along with hundreds of thousands of others, if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination. There is a movement afoot to do just that.
Some of you may ask how I could vote for McCain with disdain in your voice but I WILL NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE THE DNC IS TRYING TO CRAM DOWN MY THROAT!!! I will vote for who I think is most qualified and I happen to think first is Hillary and second is McCain and third could be anybody else on this planet other than the Messiah.
The Democratic Party is destroying itself and at this point I say let it. I’m not voting Party anymore because they just love losing.
The four horseman of the apocalypse of the Democratic party: Dean, Kennedy, Kerry and Brazile.
LOL. They are too stupid to rule.
Obama doesn’t need any of those damned votes. He’s going to just float to the Presidency. No General Election. As a matter of fact, he thinks he’s president now. We are going to spot him all the points he needs, maybe eliminate some of those 57 states. The Rebublicans are going to stay home too.
If Hillary was running. If Obama is, every GOPer would be up in arms.
If folks think what Larry is posting is “stuff”, you haven’t seen the “good o’ boys” against a disaster, especially with one waving that bullfighter’s Commie red flag!!!!
Hillary could pass. Obama, never.
Exactly Chris. For some reason these characters have forgotten there’s a General Election and another party, which happens to be the MAJORITY in plenty of those states he won, will be voting, and they won’t be voting for Barky in spite of the fanstasy that they will “cross over”.
They won’t vote for him. My tech relative is a GOP type, and though he’s quite liberal on social issues (Libertarian to that extent, which is the status quo of tech types), I just can’t see him voting for Obama. Hillary maybe if she talks more about economics and doesn’t talk like a liberal and push it’s values down his throat (he can’t stand the Far-Left’s version of it), and maybe if her economic solutions are better than McInsane’s.
He voted for Bush both times, and he’ll vote for McInsane if a Dem doesn’t share the Southern values (oh, and he’s even an Atheist to boot, and STILL vote conservatively as it’s about fiscal policy that matters most).
If Hillary can speak the language of fiscal conservatives, it’ll cut the legs off the GOP.
Yheitman, I visited John McCain’s site tonight and was received with open arms.
They said that MANY Hillary supporters were defecting to McCain.
The time is NOW.
The Democratic Party has become a serious liability to this country.
They are dead set on destroying Hillary Clinton’s candidacy.
She is the BEST candidate, but they’d rather elevate a lying charlatan.
If not Hillary, then McCain.
The DNC will NOT dictate NOR get my vote.
If not Hillary 08, then McCain 08.
Yep, and then Hillary 2012!
Brandy I have connected with some of their bigger bloggers. I plan to feed right into them, do research, write, whatever is needed. Whatever it takes to keep this dangerous man with dubious connections out of the White House.
Count me in!!! 55 year old white gay female from Texas who works on drilling rigs…. I’ve got a pretty good feel for bias attitudes.
Hillary gives me strength!
I’m coming too!
so is hubby!
This is a strange election.
Back in 2007, there were Republicans going over to help Obama (and feeling very uncomfortable in the process).
Months later, now Hillary supporters are going over to help McInsane (and feeling very uncomfortable in the process).
I hope them the best. I can’t vote for a guy who called Asians, “gooks” and also got a free MSM pass.
Always principles above partisanship with me.
Well I can’t vote for a man who allows women to be called fucking whores and flips them off!
Brandy: I’m going to John McCain’s site as soon as Hillary concedes. I have probably sent about $2,000 to Hillary and now Mr. McCain will be getting the same amount. Anything to defeat this lying charlatan!
I sent an e-mail to my own governor of the state of Washington (both my daughters did too) that I’m not voting for her re-election campaign and that I’m throwing my money and my support to her Republican opponent because she went for Obama.
I’m sick at heart at what Obama has done to this nation and the Clintons with the complicity of the DNC. Most of these young women on these blogs did not live through the 60s and see how hard women have had to fight for equality and to fight not to be called sweetie or honey. We have had to fight so hard to even be considered as somewhat equal to men and these young women out there in the blogosphere think that us feminists who fought for their rights are just old hags that need to be discarded. They’re all for “change” and they’ll get it alright because it’s becoming an all boyz club again. Just look at Obama and Edwards up there. Supposedly Elizabeth Edwards was pressuring her husband to endorse Clinton and then he still goes for the man. The old boyz club I tell you.
I think the Democratic Party will be surprised in November (with mouths hanging open) but they shouldn’t be because many have tried to warn them and they just won’t listen. They have already anointed the Mesiah as our next President but we shall see.
HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A COCKROACH THAT NEEDS TO BE STAMPED OUT.
I will either sit on my hands in November if I cannot vote for Hillary or will vote McCain for the first time in twenty five years, I will NOT vote democrat. All these twenty year olds telling people who have fought for women’s rights, civil rights and against war that we are “bad” democrats now because we want to stand up against Obama for many, many reasons. My reason is that he IS sexist and I cannot, and will not condone that. He sat silent too long, he used sexism to his gain and no way, no how will he EVER get my vote just because the media had an orgasmic love fest with him and a lot of people sucked it in like the gospel. I did my OWN homework. I don’t vote on “sound bytes.
I am life long liberal democrat, university educated and I am not the “lunch bucket” crowd. I do not know one of my friends who fits the little demographic they kept repeating were the ONLY people voting for Hillary though we ALL had good reason to vote for her. I am tired of having this empty shirt steal the best candidate for the job at hand by out right hatred of the first viable female candidate who happens to be QUALIFIED while being told her qualifications don’t matter.
Judge all you will but, I will never vote for Obama in a million years. Next election where oh where will all these “good democrat” newcomers be? I’ll be an independent by then and you have to wonder if some of these folks will even vote. The democratic party has really shot itself in the foot this time.
This is how the rest of America felt in ‘68 and ‘72.
Young radicals trying to push their agendas, which alienated grandma and beyond.
We may be at loggerheads with our elders, but experience is a very wise teacher. They don’t vote like kids, as they themselves learned of the failures of adolescence and young adulthood.
Only if I listened to my mom at 15, life would’ve been so much more simple and without the pitfalls.
OK, I admit I got lost on these long threads, but that Asian Times article was fantastic. My favorite line was, “When Obama says HOPE, they hear HANDOUT” I can’t figure out why Paul Volker is backing Obama & the Peterson Institute, it must be a replay of the Carter Administration, just a harder left turn. I just can’t believe the country is going this radical
Elizabeth Edwards can afford al the expensive Breast cancer drugs because she is rich.
In my country - a universal health system - women receive free herceptin (if that is their sort of breast cancer0. They receive Tykerb if herceptin fails.
Yeah well Elizabeth - - I bet not many other American women can afford them.
Enjoy the rest of your life with that man. Do you fixhis hairpiece or does he do it himself?
Count me in as another woman who will NEVER vote for Obama. After almost 40 years of voting the Democratic Party, I’ve changed my affiliation to Independent. And, because of John Edwards’ betrayal, I will now commit to voting FOR John McCain. I will do whatever I need to (legally, of course) to ensure that Barack Obama does NOT become President.
There’s a new movement growing - Women Against Obama. Men of conscience and awareness are welcome!
i keep wafeling wether to vote for them but i will write in her name and i hope you do allso, because you never know what will happen.i still see hillery in the white house giving a press confrence in the press room, so there is all ways hope.17 million write in votes would be nice,even if mccain wins.
” Comment by BJinChicago | 2008-05-15 01:35:20
If Hillary isn’t the candidate you cannot write her in or sit home. You have to vote for McCain; otherwise they will win, think they have the formula for victory and keep repeating their disgraceful antics. They must be vanquished. A McCain presidency with a Democratic Congress will be ok.”
Good point!
How do we get this out to the masses???
Exactly what I think as well.
Absolutely, that is what I keep saying. Many people are saying they will not vote, or vote Green, or write HRC in — I understand that but that just means too many Democrats’ votes will be split up, and mean a potential win to Obambi…to stop him, MCCAIN HAS TO WIN.
That sounds terrible, but it isn’t so bad. Yesterday I heard McCain say that he believes in global warming and believes we must stop it. He also spoke about wanting to have all the troops home by end of his first term. Is he pandering to disaffected Democrats? Maybe, but if so, so what? It’s more than the Democratic Party is doing for us.
Thank you, Truthteller. That sums it up perfectly.
It took awhile to get it to go through (must have been busy), but don’t forget to unsubscribe if you got an email from Edwards.
What also gets me is that he has the arrgance to campaign even SHOW his face in MI after not allowing their votes to count in prmary!!! Now he thinks they will support him in GE ??!! What a fucking ass~! Someone needs to tell Barky he ain’t the nominee! And draggin the Edwards loser around meancrap all. He’s just another nose in the air elitist whiner!!!
Hillary certainly has shown a great deal of leadership. Kennedy has no clue as to what he’s talking about. It just drives him crazy the thought of another Clinton in the White House while the Kennedy dynasty only produced one president. Let’s face it, they know hussein is unqualified to be president as well as unelectable in the general election, but Kennedy et al don’t care, because the true purpose of this primary season was to take down the hated Clintons, the envy of all the rest of the DNC heirarchy and a continued threat to their power.
This feminist will not support Barack Obama.
obama the race horse
dean and daschle are users, they are using him to win power.they bought this [race horse] and they are backing him to win the race. they are co owners of obama…actualy this is a good analogy.
they hate women,in the good old boys club and will do any thing to defeat her.they can not manipulate her like they can there [race horse obama]
in the old days,1400dreds they use to eliminat there aponents in blind grabs for power.i guess it never changes.
bring change and a new way? with the same old power maniacs dean and daschle.DNC insanity.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2008/05/13/king.rural.voters.cnn
now why would John Ewards say the same as the above and now go to Obama.to me it’s all about not wanting a women president.John as well as Hillary got on Obama on the credit card issues that he voted yes for to let them get what intrest they want to charge on the middle class people.Hillary voted no to put a cap on what they can charge.Hillary by far is the best candidate.What is the DNC so afraid of.They should also know what is said in the video above.
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You must put a lot of work into blogging this much!