John & Elizabeth Edwards Are Sell-Outs [Update]
By SusanUnPC on May 15, 2008 at 11:23 AM in Barack Obama, Health Care, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards
QUESTIONS GALORE: Will Edwards help Obama in Kentucky? (We know Edwards won’t move a vote.) Will Edwards now give up his position on universal health care? Will someone ask him?
As noted by many here, the meaningless endorsement of Obama by John “Pretty Boy” Edwards was designed to bury Hillary’s “devastating defeat by 41 points” of Barack Obama in West Virginia, a defeat “that should be EXTREMELY ALARMING” to ALL Democrats (even those in the DNC). Byron York covers how ABC News let itself be used to that end, even on its national newscast which never ordinarily covers live events.
BUT! This group of grizzled veterans (thank god for Fox News) know how little Johnny’s showboating yesterday really means — NEXT TO NOTHING! — compared to Hillary’s crushing defeat of BO on Tuesday:
Yesterday was quite a day. There was Bill Richardson on Fox, with drool running down and coagulating in his chin whiskers, dodging the question that Obama had offered him the vice presidency. It was so obvious that Richardson is consumed by the prospect. (Hey, Bill, he’s offered the VP slot to at least three other people!)
Then, when I told a very smart political wisegirl that Johnny had sold out for access to Obama’s mailing list (SEE BELOW), she told me WHY, she is certain, that Elizabeth Edwards had endorsed Hillary’s heath care plan a few weeks ago. It was to get herself a gig “as a fellow at the Center for American Progress to advocate on health care issues.” As the AP points out, “the Washington-based think tank was founded by John Podesta, President Clinton’s former chief of staff.” To think that others here, and I, wrote articles praising Elizabeth for pointing out the superiority of Hillary’s health plan compared to Barack’s. I was thunderstruck by how I’d been used. And how Hillary’s longtime allies were also used. UPDATE: To those who insist Elizabeth has stayed “pure” through this sad tale, I give you (thanks to Andy) this: “She also said [on Olbermann's Countdown that] while she prefers Hillary’s health plan to Obama’s, she’s glad that both provide for universal coverage.” — Jeralyn, “Elizabeth Edwards on Endorsements,” Talkleft blog, April 29, 2008. (In the past, Elizabeth has repeatedly said that Obama’s plan did NOT cover universal coverage, and she previously decried his ads that lied not only about HIS weaker plan but also about John and Hillary’s much stronger plans.] SEE ALSO (thanks again, Andy): Elizabeth on MSNBC, April 29 and the Countdown transcript (towards the end).
And of course — shock! — there was money involved:
(Thanks to John B. for sending me this — it is OBVIOUS that Obama gave Edwards his mailing list.)
RE: Help me in North Carolina
BUT! As Larry Johnson admonished us all last night:
My advice? Patience. Let Barack have his codpiece, “Mission Accomplished” moment. Like George Bush, he will rue his strutting and preening and declaring premature victory. Reality will intrude.
As Uppity Woman would say, “OOOOPPPPS! How did that get in here?”
(small, medium and large sizes; for both dogs and cats)
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Thanks so much for this article, Susan. I was pissed as hell at him yesterday, but his meaningless endorsement is fizzling into oblivion today. I was wondering if someone was threatening to publish something about his dalliance with a reporter again, but then I got the email, and promptly unsubscribed.
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A little OT, but it’s for Hill: I have to go do some stuff, but, if anyone would like to, I need email addresses of Oregon newspapers and TV stations. I can get them when I come back, but it would save time if we could get them beforehand. It might be a fun exercise for anyone who feels like it!
After asking around, I found out about a few hot button issues for Oregonians, the majority of whom are white (90%):
1. Sexism - Barama has shown a lot of that, and I think we should share what we know, including the “Sweetie” comment from yesterday.
2. Independent thinking - if you pride yourself on this, you might want to go with Senator Clinton!
3. Terri Schaivo - Apparently BO went with the Republicans on that one.
So there is a lot we can send them, if we just get the email addresses. Thanks in advance if you can do this, and I’ll check back ASAP!
And much thanks to Margaret and Typical Bubba for their very valuable input! If anyone else has insight into that demographic (Oregonian, or white, latte drinking liberals), please feel free to share. And, since Susan mentioned Kentucky, we should probably do this for these folks, too. We need to work very hard for the next few days - we need blowouts - again!
That “message” is completely deceptive.
It is almost fraudulent.
John Edwards will do anything for his own career.
He KNOWS that Obama’s health and economic policies are far right, and that Clinton’s policies are progressive.
He waited until the best opportunity for his own career.
Edwards is a fake. He suddenly became a Howard Dean progressive when it suited him. If you look at his senate record it is more conservative than Clinton’s!
At the start of this primary, he claimed to champion the poor. Yet he had done NOTHING in 4 years except work on his now-failed presidential campaign.
This guy is a real operator.
Edwards is indeed a fake.
I had hoped he had a Damascus style conversion from corporatist to populist but he didn’t. He just played a game and suckered a lot of people.
Should have seen it coming when he went easy on cheney in the deabtes and when he joined a hedge fund to study poverty after the ‘04 election.
The man reeks of hypocrisy.
As far his wife goes, well it looks like she wants to go to her grave as a liar.
What a pathetic pair.
He’s something, and I would go back to trippi, and dean, and that other one.
How disgusting.
I would add to that good list Hillary’s superior position on the environment. For example, she voted against the Bush-Cheney energy bill and Obama voted for it.
I would particularly mention the fact that the Cheney bill that Obama voted for allows them to run an LNG pipeline down the pristine Oregon Coast (or anywhere else they please) against the will of almost every Oregonian. That is a real hot button here.
TalkTruth,
Here is a fantastic link to just what you are looking for. Best organized list I have seen of media in this country.
http://www.newslink.org/index.html
Good Luck! Say hi to Max for me!
Thanks, Nellie - I really appreciate that. I will indeed say “hi” to this “Max” you speak of.
http://WWW.OBAMATRUTH.ORG THIS IS HOW THEY RUN HOSIPTAL HIM AND MICHELE
HE VOTED” NO” TO FUND TO GET SAFETY EQU FOOR OUR TROOPS IN THE WAR TO HELP KEEP THEM SAFE.WHY NOT VOTE YES ON SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED WHILE THEY ARE THERE.
No one in the Senate took any decisive action. They allowe Frist and Delay to ramrod it through. Don’t waste your time on Terri’s issues. Barack brought it up during the debates as something he regretted and it got no traction.
I value your opinion, beebop. I’m really not up on it, and certainly appreciate the input.
Seriously, Barack went with Repubs on Terry Schiavo????!!?
Do you have any links?
That’s a very big deal, reason some turned against Bush.
JUST GOOGLE OREGON NEWS- OREGON NEWSPAPERS
LOOK HIS VOTEING RECORD UP ON VOTE BILLS IN HELPING TO FUND THE WAR AS TO GET THE EQU THEY NEEDED TO KEEP THEM SAFE.HE VOTED NO.WHY NOT VOTE YES ON SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP KEEP THEM SAFE TILL WE CAN GET THEM OUT OF THEIR.
HIS BUSH-DICK CHENEY ENGRY BILL HE VOTED YES.
HILLARY AND MCCAIN VOTED NO : )
http://WWW.OBAMATRUTH.ORG
Before you get too mad at Elizabeth….read this
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/
I’m not angry at her. I’m not even angry at him. He waited till his state voted and endorsed the winner. He is not going to tick off his constituency, he might need them again. It’s politics.
what constituency? is he an elected official?
No but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have designs. Being an elected official is an addiction. You might be on the wagon for awhile, but sooner or later there’s a recivity problem.
He kept saying he would wait until all the voting was over to endorse, so it is hard to give him a pass on this one.
I did hear him refuse to say what Elizabeth’s stand is. He made it seem like it was not something they agreed on.
That’s the OFFICIAL version we are told to believe. Look underneath. WIth that meme, they get to have it both ways.
About 2 weeks ago; after E. Edwards got the job she wen on National TV to say that both Obama’s and Clinton’s health care plan were universal. yes, she said that Obama’s plan was also universal !!
It was no slip of the tongue and many people were
struck by hr comment and left wondering why would she say that after the reports from the Edwards’ meeting with Obama back in Feb. when Elizabeth got into a heated argument with Obama b/c he said his plan was universal and she said it was clearly not?
I knew then thy were about to endorsed Obama.
I didn’t mind that but I minded a lotElizabeth selling out on her supposed principles of universal health care: that was an ugly realization.
should read “she went” and later “struck by her..”
sorry.
No link? Not even a guess as to which program she was on?
She’s always favored Clinton’s plan over Obama’s. This allegation is pretty stinky.
look at the update above.
MSNBC & Countdown.
And most likely true, these people don’t do anything with out some angle.
Shame, though, how they think Clinton won’t be a factor in their careers, or even the people who support Clinton, showing really really poor judgement.
The liberal rapture, indeed…
Will this site help? Elizabeth is for Hillary’s health plan.
Apr 9, 2008 … Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former presidential candidate John Edwards, defended her surprise support for Sen. Hillary Clinton’s health plan …
abcnews.go.com/GMA/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4617236&page=1 - Similar pages
Elizabeth needs to either endorse or quit pretending.
Simple.
Bill Richardson! But but but what about those three women he promised the VP slot to!
Bbbbbut….I thought Uncle Jerry is getting VP….
Thought I would throw in the headline for my link above GUTSY Elizabeth Edwards Not Part of Endorsement–Outshines Husband in “Courage of Convictions” Department (only a week after couple tells “People” they won’t endorse) (UPDATED)
You’re very welcome to tout your own stories here, but It pays to be a lot more cynical.
I support you 99.9% of the time, but on this one I think we may be wrongly accusing Eliabeth. Time will tell, I guess.
Read my comment aboe. she already pitched for Obama lying that his health care plan was “universal” just as HRC’s.
You can find her TV appearance; I think it was her latest about 2 weeks ago; when she said this.
Her “public” saying is irrelevant for she is not a SD.
John & Elizabeth have acted as one all the time.
How do these folks look themselves in the mirror…I guess they don’t….
” The “True” to put it briefly, is only the expediant in the way of our thinking….Just as the “Right” is only the expediant in the way of our behaving….” William James. Pragmatism’s Conception of Truth.
I think I found the interview but the post of it
got put down lower in the comments…
I wouldn’t include Elizabeth in this, at least not until she has her say…
SEE Andy’s comment above.
This once great blog - sounds more like FAUX NEWS every day.
What about the “sick joke” of Bush giving up golf?
What about Grandfather Prescot Bush’s involvement financing Nazi’s?
George Orwell said,
“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
There are more important things in life today to stand for… than BASHING Obama. That also goes for anyone, including “average Americans” like me who dare to support him.
Your Country, your Democracy needs your support - please stop the bashing - you only put yourself in the gutter, where the R’s and Neo-Cons live.
Aeon…I find it particularly charming you throwing Orwell at us…
I will return with Churchill
” A Fanatic is one who can’t change his mind ….and won’t change the subject…” Winston Chuchill.
THAT UNITY SCHTIK DON’T SELL HERE…OBAMA IS A FASCIST…
** FASCIST IS AS FASCIST DOES….ASK ADOLF AND THE GANG **
I’m so bored with Hitler.
We know what a 41% margin loss means. Do you?
i am not supporting an incompetent individual, period.
Since West Virginia, 6 superdelegate declarations for Obama. Zero for Clinton. [Vicky Harwell was an add-on.]
EXTREMELY ALARMING, indeed.
Pop Quiz:
1.When to actual votes occur?
Hope Barry keeps that closet door good and closed.
What? The butt-fucking allegation? [Or is it the butt-fuckee allegation? I haven't been following the story closely.]
This is what you’re pinning your hopes on?
Do you eat with that disgusting mouth?
No, it’s over his head, this is the “bob johnson” no talent delusional troll move, the genius of the Internet, who ain’t.
He’s at the apex of his power now, thinking he’s the hammer.
Of what, no one knows.
Ask him if HE’S being trolled, he can’t tell you, because he’s such a genius, NO ONE could troll him.
Right?
it’s a message to voters from party powers: “Your vote does not count one iota with us. Get f*ked, WV, OH, PA, ane especially FL and MI. You puny voters and states think you can tell the democratic party what to do? Au contraire!”
Oh, those Frenchies make me so mad sometimes!
So ugly, no one is even interested in your PORN!!!!
Oh, flo, I say, oh flo…..
Karen… thanks for the post. I agree. Let’s not jump on Elizabeth so fast. I personally think ‘ol john boy will be sleeping on the couch for quite some time.
Baloney. He wouldn’t have done it without her assent. And see Andy’s comment above.
AGREE…Susan…It is a payoff to a politician with limited prospects….
From the People Magazine article…..
John On Clinton: “I like something different about Hillary. I think her tenacity shows a real strength that’s inside her.”
What doesn’t he like about Clinton? “Um, still a lot of the old politics,” John Edwards said.
As for Obama, he says: “Sometimes I want to see more substance under the rhetoric.”
But he cited two things he likes about the charismatic young senator from Illinois: “One is, I think he really does want to bring about serious change and a different way of doing things. And secondly, I think it’s a great symbolic thing to have an African-American who could be president.”
Differing Opinions?
At that, Mrs. Edwards rolled her eyes and, gripping the arms of her kitchen chair with some exaggeration, seemed about to lunge from her seat. “What about the great symbolic thing about a woman …”
“It’s important. It’s important,” her husband said. “I know it.”
You could see how he felt about women, when he joined that pile-on with Russert and Matthews.
I was actually a supporter until that debate. THAT’s when I wised up and looked at Clinton a lot closer, and realized she was by far the strongest of the three.
I was happy to know that our foremost progressive economist, Paul Krugman liked HRC as well. Contrary to reports that the educated are all flocking to Obama.
I find it funny that on Larry “Outfoxed” Johnson’s blog there are so many Fox News clips and links to Little Green Footballs. I guess that makes sense though since Hillary cozied up to Richard Mellon Scaife and Rupert Murdoch during her failed bid for the nomination.
Yeah, that Larry’s a true-blue Democrat, isn’t he.
Well, no, he’s not a true blue democrat, but he’s certainly smarter than you.
Yer so ugly, no one will watch your porn, flo…
Get it?
We will take truth from where ever we can. What did you think of the 41% margin loss for your guy? Don’t say mission is already accomplished, because I am going to say “show me 2209!”
Oh, he did not win a single county, either.
What was that number again? Let’s go to the tape:
Now I know you are off your nut, calling Elizabeth Edwards a sell-out:
All because CAP is headed by John Podesta. Correlation is not causation but again, you seem willing to build a case on the weakest foundation.
After John dropped out, what should Elizabeth have done?
I can’t wait to hear.
Gee, I don’t know … but somehow selling principles doesn’t come first on my list … what about you?
I think it’s pointless to carry on over whether or not Elizabeth Edwards did or didn’t endorse Obama. They’re a married couple, with young children. Shit like this happens with married people and ultimately they have to merge their best interests.
I really don’t care about her. She was the candidate’s wife to me. Likeable enough, but that’s all. This is on John Edwards. He was the candidate with supporters. It was his call and for me it was a disappointing one. Politically expedient, but I don’t have to walk in his shoes.
Why do do women always need married women to prove how independent they are from their husbands? As if being married is anything but being dependent for both husband and wife. Besides, I never got the impression Elizabeth Edwards liked Hillary. She once made an awful comment about Hilllary when she was promoting her book that dealt with how hard she took the death of their oldest son. I personally thought the remark was distasteful and unnecessary. Public sniping between women especially if there’s nothing to gain only fuels misogyny.
For me the result of Edwards’ endorsement is personal: I would never vote for him, I don’t take him seriously anymore, he’s a hypocrite and as big a lightweight as Obama. http://www.savagepolitics.com
His endorsement changes nothing for me. I had decided not to vote for Obama when Edwards was still in the race. Nothing he or Hillary can say will change that. Obama will have to:
WIN WITHOUT ME!
And if he can, he’ll get my congrats.
Clinton has 4 Super D endorsements today. 41 Points in West Virginia. 41 points in West Virginia. He didn’t win a single county. Kentucky and OR are next. Lot’s more to vote. We will see.
Name one.
PROVE IT!
I wanna be a bob, too, Dr. Pepper…
4SDs Who?????
I sent this email to Elizabeth Edwards this morning:
You were noticeably absent yesterday from your husband’s endorsement spectacle. I commend you for that. I heard that you would have endorsed Hillary Clinton. I felt sick as I watched John become just another self-indulgent, self-important politician. Throughout the campaign, he seemed to agree with all that Hillary wants for this country, and the wind blew the other way, so John went along because he hopes to get something out of it, obviously. What a major disappointment for all of us who believed he was genuine. I was so bereft of hope as I watched him onstage with Obama soaking up the applause that I couldn’t listen to his speech. I can tell you that I would never again vote for John in any capacity. Two things happened to me this morning. As I was driving to work, the car in front of me was sporting a bumper sticker that read, “Politicians are like diapers: they all need to be changed for the same reason.” Then as I was walking up the sidewalk, I found a complete set of rosary beads. There IS hope, but John Edwards will never be a part of it. You seem like a wonderful woman. I hope you’re well.
Nancy, Could you share Elizabeth’s address? I know a lot of people who would like to send her a message.
Actually FASCISM correctly defined =
the merger of CORPORATIONS+GOVERNMENT.
Facts matter.
The biggest threat to America is not communism, it’s moving America toward a fascist theocracy… — Frank Zappa
Oh for God’s sake…You are an IMBECILE…AEON !
FASCISM. n. 1. A totalitarian governmental system led by a dicatator and emphasizing agressive militarism, nationalism and often racism. 2. The philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism. Random House Dictionary
” A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing…” Oscar Wilde. Lady Windemere’s Fan
YOU EMBARRASS YOURSELF…
I can’t help myself, I have to respond to a troll. But I will give Hillary money for my indiscretion.
Frank Zappa also wrote,
“moving to Montana soon,
gonna be a dental floss tycoon.”
ISN’T THIS IRREFUTABLE PROOF of Zappa’s own capitalistic tendencies…And is it any wonder that he mentions MONTANA, the home of the UNIBOMBER? COINCIDENCE? I think NOT.
Hey, workingclass, did I make you laugh? Did I write that just like one of the psycho-trolls would with the big caps and all? Ha! That was kind of fun. I love you quoting Wilde, too.
Oh hey, my post was kind of awkward due to sleep deprivation. I meant to say I was responding to the troll above working class.
I love workingclass. I hope that was clear.
I know, I think of the talking heads song “wild wild life”
Look at mr business man
uh oh oh
he got some wild wild life
on the way to the stock exchange,
uh oh oh
he bought some wild wild life…
it’s a piece of cake….
chuckle….chuckle….Frank Zappa….Philosopher for the ages…Thanks Sandy…
Exelon + Obama = fascist nuclear waste forced on unwitting citizens.
Why don’t you check out how nuclear power plants don’t have to report leaks thanks to people like Obama?
Nevermind, it is highly govt subsidized by the taxpayer…we don’t rate on the ‘need to know’ list. Apparently, Three Mile Island, was lucky to be told of that leak.
Sorry, but that does not rate as hopey or changey…but rather standing up for the corporate status quo.
John Edwards just bought himself the Secretary General - chief Ambulance Chaser position. (Richardson already bought the VP slot)
Guess Uncle Jerry will just have to be content with being Obamas’ Ayatollah
Hey, that’s the same email I got last night!
Keepin it classy John
According to the AP,
Edwards didn’t even tell many of his former top advisers because he wanted to inform Clinton personally, said the person close to him. Edwards’ wife, Elizabeth, who has said she thinks Clinton has the superior health care plan, did not travel with him to Michigan and is not part of the endorsement.
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism -
because it is a merger of state and corporate power.~ Benito Mussolini
“Fascism is capitalism plus murder.” ~Upton Sinclair
Gee Aeon….I guess according to Wiki that would not include Adolf and the Gang….The most sucessful fascist regimes gained power through promoting Racial Supermacy and Nationalism….Try a book….an actual book…How about Hitlers’ best seller…
Somehow you still manage to actually EVADE the question so you throw rude words and associations to Hitler around….
While you’re at it, research Grandpa Prescot Bush and the millions he made thru the Nazi’s until Bush’s company assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act,
- History Bites!
Fascism is corporatism.
Clinton supports corporations.
Edwards was pushed out of the race because he TOLD THE TRUTH about corporations and the CLASS WARFARE going on within this Country against people.
We the people have had enough.Time for change to restore our Democracy and put the WAR CRIMINALS away.
“…There will be no Peace in America until Whites begin to hate their
Whiteness….asking from the depths of their being…How can we be Black…” Jeremiah Wright. Pastor TUCC
” The Black intellectuals goal is to aid in the Destruction of America as he knows it…Such Destruction requires both Black Anger and White Guilt…” James Cone. Founder of Black Liberation Theology
I refuse to support a candidate who endorses FASCIST THEOCRACY.
FACT- Obama endorsed Wright and faithfully attended his Heretic Church
FACT- Liberation Theology is Marxist Fascism wrapped in the Baby Jeeezus.
SELL IT IN GAZA AEON…..YOU ARE PREACHIN TO THE WRONG CHOIR
Hey bob what do they say about baffling with bullshit, when there is no steak?
Argumentum verbosium
Proof by verbosity is also used colloquially in forensic debate to describe a logical fallacy (sometimes called “argumentum verbosium”) that tries to persuade by overwhelming those considering an argument with such a volume of material that the argument sounds plausible, superficially appears to be well-researched, and that is so laborious to untangle and check supporting facts that the argument is allowed to slide by unchallenged. It is the fallacy epitomized by the familiar quote: “If you can’t dazzle them with your brilliance, then baffle them with your bullshit.”
from wikipedia.
“bob” thinks he’s a genius.
spent his life trying to prove a lie.
Aeon, Barack Hussein Obama (his parents gave this name to him, not me!)is still confused: Are there 57 states? Tim, Matt, Tim, Matt,sorry, I do not know who is interviewing me (Matt, actually),my Kenyan father’s coffin was draped with USA flag!(egoistic & ignoramus!)
He would not know how he would run the country with 57 states!! ( i refuse to write the future tense here)
One thing sure: he is not smarter than the fifth graders!!!
Because I love my country, I will NOT vote an unknown Obama!!!
Just remember what a boost McGovern was to Obama in West Virginia.
There’s a very funny picture of Edwards and Owhatever
at Rezkowatch. Also Evelyn Pringle’s Curtain Time for Barack Obama Part III is out now and you can link to her through Rezkowatch.
When Elizabeth wrote her “hard hitting” article about media bias– I knew she was in the Obama-drink.
It was titled something like Bowling 1, Health Care 0. You didn’t need to read further than the headline to know where she was at. Also, though some touted the article as being highly critical of the media, I thought it was pretty lame.
I’ve never been impressed with the Edwards. I read some really biting comments that Anne (?) Coulter had directed towards them, and I am simply hoping that she gets a little air time to “air” what she thinks of their incredible “integrity.” That said, I agree that the endorsement has fizzled to nothing, and that another attempted horse-shit Obama moment has passed.
I’m looking forward to Puerto Rico and Larry Sinclair. Also looking forward (hope, hope) to Obama being indicted next along with Gov. of Illinois.
SusanUnPC
Edwards had the Obama Camp and DNC leadership hounding him since Super Tuesday to support Obama. For over a year and a half Alexrod, his former campaign manager, has worked behind the scenes with the DNC, the Obamabot bloggers and MSM to strangle the Edwards campaign in its crib. The DNC came up with a Debate and media format schedule guaranteed to exacerbate identity politics and pandering. Edwards never got any traction. Alexrod manipulated the events to ensure they would be as banal and issue free as possible to downplay Edwards and Hillary’s stronger points.
So F’ing What!! Big deal the candy assed pillow biting Obamabots have now gotten the Edwards endorsement they have been screaming for. They still are going to be bad mouthing Edwards for not doing it 3 months ago. You watch this time next week and through out the month as the Obamabots will be throwing Edwards under the bus after they get stomped in KY and the remaining primaries. I think Edwards actually knows what the Obamabots have in store for him.
After all Hillary does not need Edwards in the primaries. I doubt Edwards is going to swing that many SDs.
The Obamabots will still be claiming that had Edwards jumped on the bandwagon in Feb, like they asked, Obambi would have done better with the white working classes. Look at how they are treating douchebag Richardson. Obama does well among younger, 1st and 2nd generation, more left-wing and staunchly pro-open borders hispanics. Yet Richardson has not helped with more moderate and fully assimilated older and 3rd & 4th & 5th generation latinos. Silly Richardson thought he had the VP slot locked up. But the Obamaborg is now playing up McCaskill in desperate bid for women voters.
Anything to deflect blame from the “anointed one”.
Still I say that the ObamaCon will not last until the convention. Ayers & Dohrn or worse will do Barky in.
Then it will nice to have an Edwards nominally inside the Obama camp with a prior relationship to Alexrod to break the news to the “Mahdi” that the jig is up and Obami will never get to be “Dear Leader”.
I would love to agree with you, but I don’t, given Edwards connections to Trippi, Dean, and Axelrod.
I think the fix was in…
It’s oil, and business behind this, and they aren’t paragons of virtue.
They also aren’t smart.
They hire guys like “bob.”
Andy…..Is this what you heard two weeks ago on
National Television….please read it all.
Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards, is picking sides in the Democratic nomination race – at least with respect to health care. In an interview that aired Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” she threw her support behind Sen. Hillary Clinton’s health care plan.
“In order to ensure that we have universal coverage, we need to say everybody has to join,” Edwards told ABC’s Robin Roberts. “So, for that reason, the mandates that Sen. Clinton is talking about, I think are going to be more successful in achieving the goal,” she added.
Both health care plans have the same goals, said Edwards, but “I just have more confidence in Sen. Clinton’s policies than Sen. Obama’s on this particular issue.”
Look at the update above.
Obama’s health care plan is designed to provide
Universal health coverage. HRC does and it is not “a goal” it is part of a specific plan.
The “goal universal health care” is meaningless.
Either you have a plan that is universal or you don’t.
Universal coverage “as a goal” is a pie in the sky.
So, to say that Obama and HRC’s plan have both as “goal to be universal” is a lie and I cannot phantom why would anyone say that other than as an attempt to make it sound as both plans being the same.
They are not. And EE knows it.
I think you can read this depending on your own point of view and for me it’s not something to tar Eliabeth with as agreeing with her husband on
his endorsement. I have been married for 39 years and I don’t walk in lock step with my husband on everything. I saw a quote from her recently that I can’t find online right now where she indicated
she had voted differently than John in the primary. He said yesterday in his speech that he was supporting the man he voted for….Can’t we
be more responsible and give her the benefit of the doubt until we know. She could have been home steaming mad at him like I was at my hubby the other day. To tar someone with no proof
makes us as bad as the other side.
Well, we shall see Karen. I understand marriages are not symbiotic but
this is not any couple: they are a political couple and she has been deeply involved in his campaign and has been a political spokesperson.
I didn’t hear about they voting differently (who knows…) nor that JE said he was endorsing who he voted for: I am actually disgusted that he said he did vote for Obama…
I meant it is NOT designed to provide…
As more newscasters interviewed her, she became more and more reticent about endorsing the HRC plan until she finally started saying they were both similar, and we would get good plans with either candidate.
My take is that she did not want to endorse anyone because she did not want to hurt John’s chance of getting a job if HRC did not win the primary.
WALK OUT FOR DEMOCRACY
If Howard Dean and his cohorts persist in engineering this so that Obama wins the nomination with 2025 votes, there will definitely be massive disgust with the Democratic Party all over the nation, not just in Florida and Michigan. That could easily translate into a landslide for John McCain.
That’s another reason for all Democratic delegates who want to stand up for democracy walk out of the Convention in Denver if it appears that the nominee is to be anointed with fewer than 2,209 votes.
Can we push for a Massive Walk Out For Democracy, Many Of Us have Sent3 dimes to the DNC to represent 30 pieces of Silver
Why Aeon, how nice of you to provide a description of the Obama campaign!
Colleen, implying rude slander does not make it true or answer the question.
How about going on FAUX NEWS… that is unfortunatly what this once great blog has become…
I’d be really interested in hearing your take on “when it was great.”
It has been pro Hillary for months and months … when was the error of its ways committed please?
When ISSUES became secondary to PERSONAL SLANDER against one man - or individual who writes on your blog with a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
Again, bashing a person to apparently AVOID ISSUES…gets you nothing but FAUX NEWS status.
Rove said his strategy was to divide the party and the Country. It’s certainly working to the negative here.
Country before party.
Country before corporation.
Country OF THE PEOPLE.
That is what my Father, a 20 year Green Beret died for. And all the other heroes of my COUNTRY who believed in the COUNTRY of AMERICA… FIRST - not “homeland”.
So, would your father support a Pres who lets citizens go unprotected and uninformed of nuclear leaks?
Because I know my high ranking military father would not be interested in such a man.
Obama consistantly chooses corportations (Exelon) and money men over Illinois citizens, if you are fooled by him great, but don’t expect me to vote for a political coward.
Aeon:”When ISSUES became secondary to PERSONAL SLANDER against one man - or individual who writes on your blog with a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.
Again, bashing a person to apparently AVOID ISSUES…gets you nothing but FAUX NEWS status.”
We definitely recognize that one:ISSUES are SECONDARY TO PERSONAL SLANDER: WE KNOW WHO IS THAT GUY!!BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (named by his parents)!!!Did you watch in his website his famous flipping Hillary off & shoulder brushing dirts, done to the delight of Obama, his famous grin from one ear to the other, & his disrespectful Obamamas? That one really made him sooo undignified & NO CLASS!!
Aeon, I am totally surprised of your dumb decision, to support Obama, who with his wife & 2 girls,listened for over 20 years, to the sermon of his pastor, who keeps on damning America.I do not believe him when he finally disowned his foul-mouthed pastor, but his wife, Michelle,did not, ergo, she still embraces his beliefs of hating America.
We salute your father & our heroes who died for our country.Because of their love and our love to our beautiful America,we, the smart ones, are NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA! He is unknown to us!! Scary, huh?
milk shakes are very fattening, don’t drink too many, mkay? “aeon”
can I call you bob, all the trolls sound alike…
Obama and Edwards MUST WIN KENTUCKY NOW!
Yes, absolutely, that is the new bar for God’s sake!
Obama, with Edward’s assist is SURE to win Kentucky. Their message is EXACTLY what Kentucky is waiting to hear.
Uppity! You can do that one, right?
Let’s start a list.
Obama is for Kentucky because he’s a Christian. (Let’s see Ann Coulter disagree with that! He’s been in church for 20 years for goodness sake!
Obama could walk into Kentucky like Baby Jesus carrying a cross and he still won’t win there. Those people may be his concept of hicks (which is pretty much everybody in his mind who knows he’s a fake), but they aren’t stupid.
Bee….How bout this….Obama is for Kentucky cause Johnny has helped him work out is serious conflict with his INNER CRACKER….and He likes all kinds of CRACKERS now…..whether they are clingin to guns or not…
He ’specially likes them RITZY crackers …. LOL
LOL…Bee….Zesta…
The Associated Press story said that Elizabeth was not included in the endorsement of Obama, and she did not go to Michigan with John to make the announcement, so it might not be fair to include her in this.
But really, how much will Edwards help? He couldn’t help Kerry get elected in 2004 and couldn’t muster enough support for his own campaign to make a difference this year. What’s one more lemming running off of the cliff into the sea?
Qui Tacet Consentit = He who is silent consents
We shall see….She is marginalized anyhow…and he is irrelevant…
All of these SD announcements by BO and the JRE endorsement are the surest sign that BHO is in trouble. Villareal is right : the man is absolutely running scared right now. He is desperately trying to change the story from the WV blow-out. The NARAL endorsement is the lynch pin because it was undertaken without the approval of the local membership. Someone must have issued BO an ultimatum, especially considering the guaranteed shellacking he’s going to get next Tuesday in KY. Their internal numbers on KY and PR must be horrible.
Time and time again, BO runs into the contradictions of his own behavior. First he says that 2027 is the number, suggesting that Michigan and Florida don’t matter. Then he plans to campaign in Michigan. First he says that May 20th is the deadline, suggesting that all primaries afterwards don’t matter. Then he sends Michelle down to PR, which holds its primary on June 3rd. First he trashes white working class voters, and his campaign manager explicitly says that BO won’t need working class white voters, then he brings on JRE to help him win white working class voters.
I’ve never seen such a schizophrenic tangle of lies, spin and flim-flam.
John Edwards had just Bill Richardson-zed himself, endorsing a candidate who has not only trashed his own constituency repeatedly (poor, white working class voters), but has also been summarily rejected by Edwards own constituency.
Just like Richardson, Edwards’ endorsement was designed to blunt an embarassing moment for Obama (Wright #1, West Virginia blow-out, likely Kentucky blow-out), and just like Richardson, it looks like Edwards is desperate for some attention and cash after blowing his own campaign. Actually, make that his political career, which includes two failed presidential campaigns, one useless VP nomination (he did little to help Kerry), and the dumbest decision of his life - stepping down from his Senate seat. What an idiot.
Just like Richardson and hispanics, Edwards’ endorsement will not pull white working class voters towards Obama. Having pissed away the rest of his political capital and reputation for independence, Edwards, like Richardson, will vanish into the political wilderness.
Richardson and JRE are not only political whores who have endorsed a candidate they consider to be weaker than HRC, but neither of them had the discipline to keep their reservations to themselves. Great job, guys. The bus to Belleview Hospital is on its way.
Does anyone really take Richardson seriously anymore? Besides the BO-obsessed media, no. Who does he speak for? Certainly not Hispanics. He’s just a wandering, washed up party elder, like George McGovern. The same fate awaits Edwards.
Just like Richardson, it’s too little, too late. Goodbye, John Edwards.
The timing of release of SDs is masterfully crafted, it’s politics. Baby Jesus gets whomped in a primary, release some SDs. Baby Jesus gets caught in another lie, release SDs. It’s kind of like a time release capsule to fend off the problem, rather than address it–something Barky doesn’t like to do. What regular people who never pay attention to political strategy see is WTF! He lost by 40 points and these people still think he’s grand!
Excellent Indypol….concise analysis….appreciate that…
Adding to that “circus” are the HUGE ENDORSEMENT publicity of Ted Kennedy,Caroline Kennedy,John Kerry, DID THEY BRING VICTORY TO THEIR GUY?? NNNNNOOOOOOOOO
Maria Kennedy Shiver,of California, OBAMA LOST !!!!!!!!
People, from Hillary winning states ARE SMART, WISE & REAL PATRIOTS!!
WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY, THAT IS WHY,WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA. HILLARY IS FIGHTING FOR US AND WE STAND WITH HER!! “THE TRUTH IS MARCHING ON”"
I agree, and this is what I notice most, why are they supporting bama, the money, the arm twisting, when clearly they feel he is inferior?
So this is what Congress faces from an op who doesn’t respect democracy, “do ii my way, or I ruin you, politically, persoanlly ” like Rove, or Delay, handled the republicans?
Interesting.
Sorry guys- I agree with most everything written here- but NO WAY did edwards get my e-mail from Obama- Obama doesn’t have my e-mail unless he hacked Hillary’s list.
I believe he was bought by the DNC- here you go Johnny- endorse the golden idol and you get access to our data base.
I have been flaming the DNC every time they send me a begging e-mail so I know for sure they have my e-mail address.
Edwards- bought for a data base. Well, you guys warned us- but I thought I was safe- I thought Obama was selling hsi won data base to supers- turns out the DNC is the culprit.
I did a blog entry on it- check it out if you like.
We think Obama got our phone number from when Kerry endorsed him….literally right after. I think the Florida vote was going on, so Jamuary.
Anyway, I tried to see if they update the phone bank with any recent information, so I was chatting her up about the Florida thing and votes lost. She has nothing but a vague script and a database to update. I could hear her entering info. No inside knowledge or outside either, she couldn’t discuss it with any skill.
The call was for my husband technically, and when she heard he was for Hillary, she tried to ask why and see if he could be swayed. When she realized he couldn’t, she then tried extract my info and candidate of choice.
Didn’t give it to her…and she finally stayed off script for a bit and the call ended.
What struck me is that our local politicians have us combined, so this was an out of state database.
Not sure if Edwards has access to that database with Kerry and 2004, but Obama’s is more recent.
As soon as Kerry handed the list over we called with in 24 hours, CA.
Oh and notice the bottom of the e-mail - paid for by John edwards for President.
I thought he dropped out- is he spending the remainder of his campaign funds on this?
But change can only come with your help. Please contribute now and bring us closer to building One America where every child has the opportunity to go as far as his or her talents and hard work will take them.
Thank you,
John Edwards
P.S. Contributions made by Friday go towards scholarships for the students graduating in May. Please respond today.
Paid for by John Edwards for President
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Click here to unsubscribe from email sent by John Edwards for President.
Edwards suspended his campaign….not close it….
The son-of-a-mill-worker is a whore:
http://tinyurl.com/4q5rll
I would love to see one post here that focused on differences of policy with Obama, instead of personal attacks on the candidate and any and all of his supporters.
That we don’t see those kind of posts suggests that all you’ve got here are fanciful personal attacks, especially those that come with the Fox News seal of approval! Well done folks!!!
Lone star Liberal….FUCK OFF !….Is that fanciful enough for you ?
You insult my state.
I guess you are used to your momma readin’ out loud to you. No one here is that interested in you or your opinion. So either read the comments from devoted and long term Democrats or shove it and shove off. ‘Kay? Sweetie?
Why should there be any discussion on his stolen policies?
He even steals credit for other people’s legislative work, both in Illinois and Washington. Or did you miss those articles in the NYT and Chicago area newspapers?
Tell me, what one of his policies are you impressed with?
So, toe the “one-party state line” - or leave, that is how you respond…beebop?
Democracy is about inclusion of ALL OF US for the good of all of us.
“Democrayy is the inclusion of ALL OF US for the good of all of us”? I’m sure that the voters of FL and MI are really impressed by that.
Calm down. Elizabeth did not endorse Obama, John did. Last week on Larry King, John hinted that they had voted for different candidates. And Elizabeth was absent yesterday. The only thing that upsets me is that John Edwards allowed himself to be used as a prop for the Obama campaign. The timing of all this is suspect.
I’m so disappointed in John Edwards. I still think he’d be a good voice in politics but his endorsement does not sway me. He’s made blunders before; this is another one.
I’ll keep believing that Elizabeth, the the privacy of the voting booth, voted for her husband or for Clinton.
I was originally an Edwards supporter, but i decided to delete his fundraising email yesterday. How disgusting.
I’m extremely disappointed by John Edwards. He’s not the person that I thought he was. However, I don’t think it’s fair to accuse Elizabeth of being a sellout. She was conspicuously absent during the endorsement and from her public statements, it’s clear that she favours Clinton’s health care plan. And to Elizabeth, health care is the biggest issue.
Sorry, missed the last bit about Elizabeth’s statement on Countdown. Ok, I’m disappointed in her too. Obama’s plan is NOT universal.
If we have to give up universal health care, it’s worth to have a hip black president in the White House ready to dole out favors to all the losers who helped elect George W. Bush twice.
And universal health care is just the start… get ready to give up a lot more. The hip black president is going to have a lot of friends to pay off.
Sure, Edwards is a fake. Sure. If he had supported Clinton, you all would step all over yourselves in praise.
The fact is if he wanted to influence the race, he would have done it weeks ago. THAT would have pissed me off. As it is, Edwards wanted something in return for the endorsement, and likely it was the donor list.
Obama for his part is trying to stem the bleeding from Kentucky by using Edwards. Note Edwards praised Clinton in his speech last night than he did Obama, so the endorsement doesn’t mean a thing.
Okay, fine. You got me. I would have praised John Boy had he endorsed Clinton. Mainly, because that would have taken guts and I would have been reaaaaly surprised.
But I’m not surprised. I was never a John Boy supporter. He has the unfortunate disposition of a grown child star. (i.e., the kid brother on Who’s the Boss)
Maybe, that’s just me.
I never understood how a guy who couldn’t win the nomination and who helped Kerry cruise to defeat in ‘08 — followed by a four year stint at pre-campaign campaigning — STILL couldn’t win the nomination. Why, how surprising!?
If you look up the word “smarmy,” you may find Edwards’ picture as illustration.
John Edwards is one more man who married up.
While steering through the tunnel, every flicker of light sparkles and adds warmth.
Look what Insight Analytical had to say today:
“GUTSY Elizabeth Edwards Not Part of Endorsement–Outshines Husband in “Courage of Convictions” Department (only a week after couple tells “People” they won’t endorse)”
http://tinyurl.com/5ms746
They touched on a recent interview with the Edwards’ where in discussing the pros and cons of the candidates, this interesting interaction occurred:
*** QUOTE***
On Clinton: “I like something different about Hillary. I think her tenacity shows a real strength that’s inside her.”
What doesn’t he like about Clinton? “Um, still a lot of the old politics,” John Edwards said.
As for Obama, he says: “Sometimes I want to see more substance under the rhetoric.”
But he cited two things he likes about the charismatic young senator from Illinois: “One is, I think he really does want to bring about serious change and a different way of doing things. And secondly, I think it’s a great symbolic thing to have an African-American who could be president.”
Differing Opinions?
At that, Mrs. Edwards rolled her eyes and, gripping the arms of her kitchen chair with some exaggeration, seemed about to lunge from her seat. “What about the great symbolic thing about a woman …”
“It’s important. It’s important,” her husband said. “I know it.”
***END QUOTE***
It was also pointed out that the AP had also reported that “…Mrs. Edwards “did not travel with him to Michigan and is not part of the endorsement”
I couldn’t locate it though.
Anyway, can this be an explanation of sorts?????
Be your own judge…..
If this is true, Mrs. Edwards may well be in need of moral support herself…..at this point in time. Perhaps a sincere note from those who have her contact info, may persuade her to risk and declare her position!!
As an eternal optimist, I believe that from the travesty we may yet pull some integrity !!!
Those who Divide, …..Purge,….Isolate,…Exclude,… Annihilate….Threaten…surely are on the long march to …OBLIVION!
I send a reply to John’s request for money. Got a notice back stating “out of the office”.
I would to reach Elizabeth if I could.
Nancy - do you have an email address you can share?
To whose that are disappointed in this unfair decision by Senator Edwards you can contact both him and his wife at his web site.
To whose that are disappointed in this unfair decision by Senator Edwards you can contact both him and his wife at his web site.