Meet Me In Denver! (PART I)
By Alegre on May 16, 2008 at 11:41 AM in Clinton, Cult, Current Affairs, DNC, Daily Kos, David Axelrod, Karl Rove, Obama, Obamedia
(PART II WILL BE PUBLISHED IN ONE-HALF HOUR)
I got an email from a friend and have tried to confirm this from other sources – no luck as yet but I thought I’d mention this to raise an important point gang… Rumor has it that Camp Obama’s making a huge push to make nice with Hillary’s online fans and convince us to abandon our gal before even a single vote’s been cast at the convention this summer. Some are even saying he’s gone and hired 400 bloggers. Check it out…
Source – HillBuzz
the Obama campaign has hired 400 bloggers to influence the public discourse and sway Hillary voters to “remember we are all Democrats”, to give up Clinton's cause, and to become dutiful citizens of the Obama Nation.
I don’t know if that 400 blogger bit is true but I’ve noticed a LOT of new Obama followers here on MyDD over the past few days so maybe there’s something to it. Not sure if they’re paid or if they even exist and frankly, I really don’t care. But I do care that people are calling for Hillary’s supporters to “give it up” and telling us “it’s over” when not one single vote has been cast in our party’s convention. That’s a few months off yet so why don’t we just let the rest of the states have their say, make our case to the undeclared superdelegates out there and chill?
Just know this – I'm not gonna stop as long as she's out there fighting for us. As long as she's standing up for us – I'm standing up for her. Get it?
I've been on the blogs every day since last June, fighting the good fight for Hillary and her herstoric run for the White House, and I've taken a lot of sh#t from Obama's followers for my efforts. So much so that I was forced to choose between my sanity and blogging over at dKos. It got so bad that I walked out over the abusive bs there (along with a boatload of other bloggers). So I have to wonder how Camp Obama thinks they're going to make nice with me and Hillary's other online supporters after the way they've treated us for the past 6 months or more. Does he really think this sudden concern about unity – this sudden effort to make nice will undo all the damage that's been done during the course of this campaign?
We've been called Rovian.
Repukes.
Republicans.
Red-Staters.
Fascists.
Corporatists.
Racists.
Hate-mongers.
Liars.
Traitors…
I could go on all night with the list.
We've also been treated to some of the most sexist and dismissive bs I've ever seen, and have watched as Camp Obama's followers suggested that others dig up real life information on us and our families – to what end I don't know.
Don't get me wrong – I'm all for getting along with other Democrats, but you can probably see how laughable we think this sudden effort is after all that's happened.
A post over at the Lavender Newswire (from May 12th) pretty much sums it up for me…
Notice something? For about three days after his supporters declared Barack Obama the “presumptive nominee” (the DNC didn't; Obama himself didn't; his supporters did), the constant bashing of us non-believers and calls to banish us (and Hillary) from the Democratic Party (and maybe even the planet), forever, suddenly subsided, to be replaced by sickeningly cloying calls for “unity” and “graciousness,” 'cause, after all, “we're all Democrats.”
This, non-believers, is how stupid the Obamabots really think we are.
It was as if The Big Giant Head at Obama Central texted new marching orders to the cell phones (or perhaps directly into the brain-chip implants) of all Obamaniacs simultaneously, and that message went something like this: “OMFG REDID DA MATH: WE FD UP. 86 OPERATION HRC BASH IMMED PROCEED W/OPERATION MAKE NICEY NICE ASAYGT. ACK.”
(Ok I included that bit because of the last part in caps)
I mention all this because I want to make something absolutely clear here on the blogs…
There is no way in HELL I'm giving up on Hillary – if she's in this and standing tall then I'm going to be standing right by her side, fighting the good fight on the blogs. Anyone who's read my stuff over the past year will get a sense as to just how passionate I am about helping her make it to the White House – for more reasons than I could count at this point. From her 35 years of dedicated public service and focus on families like mine – helping working folks – kids with special needs – universal healthcare – showing girls and young women just what a woman can accomplish if she works hard, knows her stuff and shows up day after day after day to do the next right thing – gang it all adds up to a candidate worth fighting for.
I don't know her personally but I think I've learned enough about her strength and character over the past year to know that she's not one who gives up easily. As long as there's a chance for her to accomplish what she set out to do – to help others and make a positive difference in our lives – then she's going to continue taking her case to the voters and the superdelegates out there. As Bill's said of her many times – there's no quit in that girl.
I have no doubt that she's in this thing through to the convention. She understands that nothing's set in stone until the votes are cast on the convention floor, and a LOT can happen between now and Denver.
If he declares victory on May 20th I'll be the first to call bullshit on his stunt.
She now has the lead and she'll finish the primaries with a lead in the popular vote.
The delegates from Florida and Michigan will be seated (hopefully at full strength). There's no way Dean will convene a Democratic Party convention with only 48 states represented, especially after making a huge effort to push his 50-state strategy.
She'll make her case to the superdelegates out there that she's our strongest candidate going up against McCain in the general election, and I'm convinced she'll win them over on that point.
And we'll all meet up in Denver in August.
Hillary and I are cut from the same cloth gang. There's no quit in me either.
I'm in this through our convention and on to November. You dig? ;o)
One last point – I do this for free. It's called volunteering yeah? Hillary's team is made up of thousands of volunteers and we all do what we can with the time, talent and resources we have at our disposal. Nobody needs to pay me to sing Hillary's praises here on the blogs, over the phone or face to face with my neighbors, friends and family.
And by the way – that title??? It's just a title. Like many of Hillary's supporters I can't afford to attend a convention like this. Hotels and airfare are beyond my reach so I'll be watching it on the teevee from home. But I'll be there with you all in spirit.
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Hillary said on CNN’s “The Situation Room” TODAY —
It’d be ‘terrible mistake’ to pick McCain over Obama
—
CNN) — Hillary Clinton on Wednesday reiterated her vow to stay in the Democratic presidential race, but she said it would be a “terrible mistake” for her supporters to vote for John McCain over Barack Obama.
“I’m going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is — obviously I’m still hoping to be that nominee, but I’m going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me … understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama.”
STAND UP FOR YOUR COUNTRY.
TIME FOR CHANGE.
SUPPORT DEMOCRACY not division.
not working, aeon.
hillary may support whoever the dem nominee is.
we don’t.
and obama can’t stop our votes from counting in the general (unless he buys diebold, of course…).
One of his Super Delegates is Joe Andrews who used to be an attorney for DiBold which is very hackable as I am sure he knows. He also lobbied for the Democratic party to have them installed.
“We’ve also been treated to some of the most sexist and dismissive bs I’ve ever seen, and have watched as Camp Obama’s followers suggested that others dig up real life information on us and our families – to what end I don’t know.”
From me:
I am over at the Political Machine (AOL) most of the time, fighting the good fight. I have had one of the paid bloggers demand my real name. Some of the posters they threatened to use napalm, come after us, slaughter us, “vote for Obama or die” The majority of the AOL paid bloggers are very very very rabid Obama supporters, and say noting to any of the posters who threaten us. They do respond if they don’t like a comment, but never once to an Obama person.
Sometimes after posting there you get an email that you have to send back. On some of the returns (some not all) html has been inserted into my post. I don’t know enough about computers, but it seems highly irregular?
I am afraid that they will hijack this election with the electronic voting machines.
We have to start saving these.
SAVE THEM! PRINT THEM OUT!!!
My old computer died a month ago or so and I got another one and within about two weeks, the new one was having trouble. I down loaded some software, may have been AVG
but before I used some PC software that I thought was free to use- it wasnt but it did check my computer and did let me know that there was a virus called BHO that was on my computer.
The AVG took care of it and my computer has been fine since then.
I do suspect they get on our Hillary sites and infect them. So remember to clean up your computer fairly often.
I could be wrong. But i do not trust BO and his cult followers. They will do anything.
I will never vote for BO, never.
then we could be in trouble. the only way this fraud could win is by cheating.
just hope they get caught and end up in jail if they do.
I think it’s entirely possible the Obama Dems intend to cheat to get him in the WH. It seems odd that they’re not worried about losing half the party. Obama is a corrupt Chicago pol and in Chicago politics is synonymous with corrupting elections. Also, there is ample evidence that Obama cheated in the caucuses and the last two primaries. (And TX)
A few days after Andrew the liar and weak SD from IN announced his support for ob a business magazine ran an article on him and his new expanded Diebold representative position.
Yes, the democratic party HAS clearly been taken over by Dr. Frankenstein.
We are rejecting your hideous monster. Ob is a national nightmare and he is unelectable even if they plan on sinking to Diebold we still will have the republicans pulling the big strings and kicking his anti-american ass to the curb for us.
If by some dastardly plot and mishap making Mac disappear and obama walking into the General basically unopposed and winning – he will be impreached and his hands will be tied from doing much damage as we all turn in unison to opposing him strongly.
He cannot win our hearts or minds. He is a sham and will be taken out of this election in handcuffs if justice prevails.
From prison he can write his final memoirs and perhaps he will finally confess to his guilty as charged numerous sins. But don’t hold your breath, he seems an unlikely prospect for salvation.
i’m with you and with hillary until she wins in november. i find obama’s “soaring oratory” moronic. and his logo, with the light streaking behind it is creepy. and his supporters are nasty.
a college educated supporter.
We will be voting for HILLARY in 08 so no need to worry! Go back to class now.
Hey, I agree! Hillary will be the nominee as Obama is fading fast. Saw him take questions today in some kind of press conference and he sucked. He can do the orator preacher thing, but when he has to think on his feet, he can’t. Remember the debates?
cyn NY — anyone who is old enough to remember the sitcom Mr. Ed. He was a talking horse who sounded strangely like Obama — except that Mr. Ed was a puppet just like Mr. Barack.
a horse is a horse of course of course — unless of course the talking horse’s name is Mr. Ed.
Paid shill.
Take a hike, Aoen! Your unity shtick is transparent bullshit. I will never ever vote for Obama again and I live in Illinois and I supported his Senate run.
Is this the kind of thing these bloggers get PAID for? Jesus, talking about throwing money down the toilet.
Bloggers do not tell me what to think or what to do. Candidates don’t tell me who to vote for. I understand why Hillary will, if Obama is nominated, tell me I need to support him.
But I am not an Obamabot- I don’t take marching orders from my candidate if I don’t like the direction my candidate is telling me to march.
Barack- save your money. Bloggers can only influence the weak-minded lemmings out there, and you already have them.
I agree with John. Not even Hillary can get me or my family to vote for Obama. And if Obama is paying bloggers to engage us in any way he is just making us madder and more determined.
Ditto.
No. Not ever. That translates for you slow ones into NEVER … and here in Ohio in two days two dumb Democratic men have had to resign for sexual impropriety. The Republicans will be all over that. How well is a guy who draws attention to his vibrating phone and calls women “sweetie” gonna do here? hahahahaha
buh-bye Ohio. Don’t even come here to campaign. And don’t send the breck boy either.
And please don’t forget: NOT ALL AAs ARE FOR OBAMA!
TOO LATE. We’re staying that way too. The DEMOCRATIC PARTY is finished.Women are 50% of the votes!!! The Democrats can’t win without us! AAs are 12% of the entire population. Not all AAs vote Democratic and not all AAs vote PERIOD! WOMEN VOTE.
There’s no way in hell BO is going to win the Democratic nomination without women! It’s just not going to happen. They have alienated us. They have insulted us. They have told us they do not care about us, so we are doing them a HUGE favor. We are leaving the party in DROVES.
We should start our own party now. I know I’m finished with the Democratic Party if Hillary isn’t the nominee. I’M FINISHED…I PROMISE! And I’m not just a little angry and will get over it after things cool down. I am a woman scorned and I don’t forgive sexism easily and in this case, I never will.
To Its not me: Exactly! I’m more than just as little angry as well.
STAND UP FOR YOUR COUNTRY.
That is why I support Sen. Clinton and not some political leg humper.
Aeon
Maybe you don’t understand ENGLISH? We’ve been insulted, lambasted, ridiculed, shit on and fucked with so why in the world would we care about your party unity plea? You children should have thought of this before you completely alienated the other half of us.
Tell THIS to your little friends: THERE WILL BE NO VOTING FOR YOUR OBAMA! GOT IT! NOW GO TO HELL!
She has to say stuff like that. It’s called politics.
The American people (and that includes farmers, factory workers, millions of women, elderly people, baby boomers with (and without) college educations, etc.) can vote as they please without regret or remorse. That’s called “living in a democracy”.
Dear Hillary,
I respectfully disagree.
dear mr obama
why ur supporters are like u elitist and just plain ASSHOLES
Just the other day I was looking at an Obamabot blog (she had come to my blog to drop her Obama propaganda on us), and thought I would see what she was writing about. In her post, she was ranting and calling Chelsea Clinton a bitch because the Obamabot who lives in Oregon had received two recorded phone messages from Chelsea, asking her to vote for her mom. She railed on and on in her post about how much she hated the Clintons. THEN, she wrote in her comments that the Hillary supporters should unify with Obama for “the good of the party”.
As you could see, they’re not so great at their message of “come over to our camp”. They just don’t get it.
On another Obama blog, the guy wrote about how uneducated and stupid Hillary voters were and they were better off without them in “their” party. Better to have all the “new” blood that Obama is bringing to the Democratic party.
I guess the last guy didn’t get the memo.
They are really dumb to think that we will be so dumb to join them after they bashed us for 5 full months.
I understand why HRC thought she needed to say that, but screw it. If Snob-ama is nominated, I’m voting for Cynthia McKinney in November.
“I’m not ready to make nice…”
I plan to vote McKinney too, if Obama is nominated.
NObama, never. Those who want to kiss and make up at this point are like abusive boyfriends trying to bamboozle you so you’ll let them back in. Once in, the abuse starts all over again.
If the latest Oregon poll is right, this is back to being a real contest.
She’s within 5 points of him in Oregon?
He’s so tanking. The endorsements and the presumptive stuff he’s pulling is hurting him big-time.
Voters are saying, “Not so fast, buddy.”
I’M FIGHTING FOR HILLARY TOO!
I will not vote for Obama and will fight to get a write-in option for Hillary in the November election here in FL.
We are mad as hell and we are NOT going to take it anymore!
from <A HREF=”http://www.writehillaryin.com”
FLORIDA
The Sunshine State
(…and we beg your pardon, Mr. Dean – Floridians do count.)
Write-ins are allowed but will not count unless candidate files in advance.
Per Florida’s Division of Elections, there will be a space to write-in Hillary Clinton’s name on the ballot.
Unless the Clinton campaign registers in this state, your write-in vote will be a vote of protest.
I love you, Hillary…but I refuse to vote for a candidate just because he has a “D” next to his name, and that will hold even if you are on the ticket with him.
Ditto
Ditto ditto.
Ditto, ditto, ditto (for everyone in my family).
Ditto, ditto.
Ivory Woodpecker:
We can also sing them the One Republic/Timbaland song:
I’m holding on your rope
Got me ten feet off the ground
I’m hearin what you say but I just can’t make a sound
You tell me that you need me
Then you go and cut me down, but wait
You tell me that you’re sorry
Didn’t think I’d turn around, and say…
It’s too late to apologize, it’s too late
I said it’s too late to apologize, it’s too late …
Of course Hillary will direct her supporters to vote for Obama. She has no other option.
It doesn’t matter, though.
I will not only vote for McCain, but I will also donate and volunteer for him , as well.
ditto
ME too, Darlin’, me too!
And that means you never really supported what she stood for to begin with, now doesn’t it?
She sure didn’t stand for him!
She never voted for the Bush energy plan and her universal health care plan is universal. Fuck off asshole!
obamaloon logic, typical.
I had an Obamabot tell me to “Get the fuck out of my party!” and this same “person” told me that I had sand in my vagina. Later this person told me she was female and had voted for Hillary. What a bunch of crap!
I have NEVER been this angry for so long in my whole life. I am pissed and they will NEVER get me to come over to their side!
have received similar messages for obamaloons. when they tell me i should just leave the dem party, i say “ok.” they can just try to win without millions of us.
guess they think we’re stupid enough to forget that they called us all sorts of vile things and that their candidate is a low character, low ability, lowlife. not happening.
i look forward to seeing the anguished looks on their faces and reading their posts about how he lost because of racism….
Don’t forget that not ALL you read is necessarily true either.
The Repukes are loving this divide and I am SURE fueling it. I HOPE Larry is not. I believe he truly does want Hillary for President.
Trolls love to cause us to LOSE it! They spent YEARS doing it at the DNC open thread. The same 4 or 5 pukes and they were showing up at DU as well as KOS, etc.
The 2 Obama supporters I know (friends of my daughters) are the nicest 2 kids you’d ever want to meet and they would vote for Hillary in a second if she were the nominee.
I am surrounded by Elitist Obamabots. Thank goodness my husband is a wise man and is for Hillary.
Actually, my two boys have been following this very closely. Even in their young age (11 & 13) they get so much of what is going on in this primary. I am very proud of my future men.
That doesn’t change the fact that Obama flipped the bird, and his supporter cheers.
That doesn’t change the fact that Obama ride/push/taking advantage of the accusation that Bill Clinton was racist.
That doesn’t change the fact that Axelrod said we don’t need lunch bucket democrat.
That doesn’t change the fact that Donna Brazile said Democratic party is about the new coalition that Obama bring.
That doesn’t change the fact that Obama campaign is vile and aggressive toward Hillary supporters since the beginning of this primary.
No Obama. Not Now. Not Ever.
Amen.
No offense Dawnelle, but don’t put that out there. It gives the Obama campaign an out. And I don’t buy it.
Why?
Because this was happening from the beginning. I stopped going to Obama blogs months ago. They have been carrying on like this forever and I really don’t think the Repubs are wasting their time. If they are, it only started recently. This has been the Obama thugs’ m.o. from the start. The Repubs have been sitting back eating popcorn enjoying the fun.
So let me get this straight. Some anonymous guy on a blog who may or may not have been a repug and may or may not have been an Obama supporter but is clearly not an official of his campaign says something stupid and you attribute that to the candidate? Somehow that doesn’t seem rational to me. Maybe you just dont wanna vote for him for other reasons. If thats so then say it, but don’t use “the ananymous blogger” as a reason. It sounds kinda…crazy.
Poor guys are just trying to force the combine through, no ability to see at all.
None.
So, pretty easy to manipulate, like Heathers playing ego, instead of strategy.
Real intellect is a demon, isn’t it?
What happens when the children find out santa doesnt exist?
You have to face the unthinkable.
She has to say that. She is a politician and a party member. And we don’t have to agree with her.
The fact is she is in this to the end as are her supporters. She will win 400 whiners or not.
2209 is all that matters and she has every right to take this to the convention.
Clinton looks great in that picture.
Gosh, I hope we can move on from the Obama McCain debates, they’re stimulating, really, but, um, Clinton is still winning.
Reality, WHAT a bitch, but you know, bros before hos…
LOL
alegre, i used to read your posts on dailykos. until it was overcome with insanity. good to see you posting here too!
i can’t believe how pathetic democrats are, ready to throw in the towel and give this to someone who will be losing popular vote and only has more delegates because two states arent counted and he won these silly, non-representitive caucuses. howard dean has his head up obama’s ass its just ridiculous. not to mention mainstream media is just plain ignoring her now. but maybe its better that way, who needs them slamming her. let obama fall like he is bound to fall. lets just hope it happens in time for hillary to be our nominee. obama is doomed, john kerry number two. we need hillary to take it to the convention.
she will have the popular vote.
she will have the popular vote.
who else had the popular vote, some years ago? remember that? what an uproar we were all in that the person with the popular vote didn’t win the election? and now, we have obama, mighit have more delegates and “superkissass delegates”, but not the popular vote, and no one cares?? more democrats will have voted for hillary, and more voters in general. yet we are going to give it to the weaker candidate based on this ass backwards delegate system? he could win a state if 100 people showed up at a stupid caucus? what state has 100 people in it? this disgusts me and is not representitive of the electorate in a general election at ALL. if all the states had primaries, hillary would have won, if it were winner take all, she would have won long ago, if we went by popular vote, she will win. and that MUST be considered.
this is the biggest b.s. i have ever seen in my life by the democrats.
i just think people need to concentrate on popular vote, and the mistakes that are made when we don’t pay attention to that can be really huge.
democrats were crying left and right in 2000 because we didn’t get the one who won the popular vote. such hypocracy, for weakling obama?
what a joke.
You know I have to give Lou Dobbs some credit. I rarely do cuz his ego is HUGE as well, but………… he has quite a following and he’s been pretty fair to Hillary and has railed against the MSM for their leg humping of BO.
Perhaps his daily truths are also sinking into the skulls of those yet to vote in Oregon, etc?
The truth is like water!
The truth is like life!
it always finds a way through
Lets assume she has the popular vote. What I don’t get is that the popular vote isn’t the uage for electing the nominee. Delegates (pledged or super) are. She doesnt have enough. He doesn’t have enough. When one of them gets it the other ought to accept it and move on. If neither gets it then it should go to the convention or until such time as they do. But you can’t go changing horses midstream. Its not about popular vote. Now if the popular vote leads superdels to say she’s better, then they should vote that way and she’ll be the nominee. But lets at least be intellectually honest about the standard here. When you continually change the guage, you lose credibility. What will it be next? Big States?, Red states?, Staes that begin with “T”?
I see Barky is strutting around like he’s the President today. I think he thinks we are going to astroproject him straight to the white house and skip an election.
I love when he says, “That’s a debate I’m happy to have” and then runs from debates.
he’s counted his chickens before they have hatched.
what an egomaniacal disaster.
Speaking of debates, isn’t there going to be a debate in Kentucky – or did the Unity Pony cancel again?
Great Post: You are exactly right we are going to stand by Hillary all the way to the White House and nothing I mean NOTHING will get me to vote for Obama. I consider my vote against Obama as one of the most important things I have ever done for my country. He is not qualifies, his has questionable associations, he is a liar, a sexist, a racist. Most of all he is NOT Commander and Chief material! So bots get a real job.
{{connie}} I love seeing familiar names!!
Was at HuffPo reading Taylor Marsh’s article regarding the backlash against Obama. One of the comments called us menopausal mafia.
The other theory is that Senator Clinton may be more qualified, but at least Obama is better than MCain. The absolute silliness of it all.
Senator Clinton’s supporters have been more than patient with being called racists, Bro’s before Ho’s, and veiled threat of riots by AA community if Obama is not nominated. The game works both ways and it would be best if the Obama camp realize that they are on the loosing end if they continue to play it.
I don’t know if I should type more slowly so plain English may be understood. There is no nominee yet, presumptive or otherwise. I am sorry that those who support Obama have problems with delayed gratification, but the fact remains the same. There is no nominee presumptive or otherwise.
The math and the rulz do not determine either one yet.The SD’s can prance all around. However, a SD pledge today does not mean a vote tomorrow. The plurality of delegates needed cannot be decided until after the challenge for seating MI and FL. Them are the rulz, like it or not. The rush for Obama to get to 2025 is meaningless before the committee hearing at the end of the month. It is a political ploy to say “he was swindled” by moving the goalpost. Dean and Co do not set the magic number. The total number of delegates decide that number. Never before have SD’s prancing and posturing done more harm to the party. This is not in the best interest of the party, but for mere personal political gain.
Forcing a win of the battle today will spell defeat and loss of the war tomorrow.
“Menopausal Mafia”
I love that! I’ve always wanted to be a member of the mafia.
“Hey Tony Soprano! You talkin to me?!”
can i start the post-menopausal mafia?
The one problem with the Oama argument is their spiel that we should vote for the Democrat, meaning Obama. Well, I have been a Democrat for all my life and I am collecting a pension so you know that means a long time and I have never seen a Democrat like Obama. I do not think he is a Democrat. I don’t care how he is registered. He is as much a Democrat as he is a White man or a Black man. Each of these identities is just an epediancy for what he wants. He is an Obama self centered fascist. He and his dictator pose he assumes from a podium!!! And just what democratic position has he ever held for more than a nanosecond? How democratic is it to conspire to disenfranchise FL and MI? How do democratic principles show when he refers to women as “sweetie”? How would Hillary be able to claim democratic ideals if she called black men “boy”. and said it was a bad habit of hers??? He ain’t no Democrat. So to vote for McCain is a vote against a man who is a fraudulent Democrat. It is a vote to save the party from a coup and imposters.
Your remarks are so well taken. I just don’t see how the Party leaders don’t see what’s going on. There’s a nasty overtone to him, his wife, their supporters and his campaign. You know what’s ironic about this is that I’m AA. I have worked among AAs most of my life. I live among the working poor and not in some suburban mansion. My travels have extended into many different mindsets among AA people: educated, mis-educated, rich, poor, middle class, Christians, Muslims, radicals, conservatives, professionals, entertainment people, athletes, politicians and this new young breed within the hip hop culture. I have never in my life seen any black people like Barack and Michelle Obama. Especially in public life. Him I attribute to his being biracial. An assessment of her would take knowing more about her life. All I know is, something’s up with them. An undertone that I simply don’t get. I think if more black people got beyond the color of their skin and the novelty of him being a real contender for president, they would see this too. And they certainly are not Democrats whom I’ve been around my entire life.
I am a delegate for the Texas convention and I have all the names of the committed delegates and if they are stupid enough to vote against a known winner in the general, we all can make sure to campaign against them the next time they run!! Obama is history, he will not be POTUS, maybe he can be head inmate when he goes to prison with Rezko and Blogjevich!
Just remember!!!!
They believe women and true democrats will come back in November and play nice!!!!
The only message that sends is please abuse me more. Abusers never consider that there will be repercussions to their actions.
Our only power is with our vote. Use it wisely.
For me, I cannot hold my nose and vote for Obama because that would mean that the next time this happens it will even be worse.
WE MUST MAKE A STAND IN THIS ELECTION AND SAY, “NO MORE.”
Yep! Talk to the hand Obots!
” I cannot hold my nose and vote for Obama because that would mean that the next time this happens it will even be worse.
WE MUST MAKE A STAND IN THIS ELECTION AND SAY, “NO MORE.”
And this is the truth!
No más!
Take a look at some of the swing state battleground polls.
You can’t win the presidency without Ohio. Hillary can take this to the convention as a powerful argument:
Ohio
Clinton +5.4 over McCain
McCain +3.4 over Obama
Notice Obama’s priamry win in North Carolina is meaningless in the GE:
McCain +6.3 over Obama
McCain +8.0 over Clinton
Shoot…..take a look at the update on Oregon!
They are even in mail-in votes? The latest poll has her pulling from 20 points behind to now 5 points with 5% undecided?
Lordy…….he’s tanking faster than those SDs can move over to him.
Be careful, could be a trap. If people start expecting Hillary to win Oregon, that becomes ammunition if she does not. Of course I hope she wins.
We should just aim for a closer gap. Don’t set yourself up for the fall. It’s expectation game now.
What else do some of you expect her to say don’t vote for Obama, she has to play that role but she knows in her heart that our loyalties are to her more than it is to the democrat party, she has been warning them in many ways of the backlash of leaving her out, because she knows it will come, and that will be the end of the DNC.
Obama may have some running all over the place now but there is life after this election and the DNC cannot survive on words they will need supporters and finance to carry on. This is not the last election on the planet there are more to come after this.
Hillary is fully aware of what lies ahead but Dean, Donna and Pelosi seems to have other ideas I just hope Obama lives up to all that they expected when all is over an done with, because they will have no one else to blame but their selves for not paying attention to what so many was trying to show and tell them.
i was just looking at that. my favorite obama argument regarding this is that “oh, the blue states always stay blue” and the swing states won’t matter as much this year because he can get red states to go blue.. you know, non swing states? that have not gone blue IN YEARS?
they are in a seirous fantasy world.
i see nothing changing all that much from 2004.
those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Don’t you people understand that the type of vile, hate filled junk you spew here – is EXACTLY what divides our COUNTRY today?
It is EXACTLY what got the WAR CRIMINALS (s)elected?
At the very least, despite your protestations… Hillary at the end will NOT enourage her supporters to vote for McSame.
I prefer Obama.
I would vote for Hillary if she had the nomination.
Even though I may not “like it” — I put MY COUNTRY FIRST – over one person.
The politics of personal destruction is right out of the Repug playbook – which they effectively used to get Bush1 elected, as they had no viable issues or alternatives with Iran/Contra in the news at the time…
“If we fought you fair, you’d win every time.”~ Newt Gingrich to Bill Clinton
Yawn.
I will put my country first over the party. That’s why I will never vote Obama.
A guy who voted for partial birth abortion.
A guy who voted for Dick Chenney energy bill.
A guy who has connection with corrupted people.
A guy who sat 20 years in a church that condemn white people and damn America.
A guy who lied that he didn’t said he’d talk to Hamas and Iran without condition.
A guy who lied that his parent met 4 years after he was born.
And the list goes on.
He is a liar and a corrupt politician. He will be a liar and a corrupt president.
AEON
YOU ARE A BORE! BIGTIME! NOW SCRAM HAM! GO BACK TO READING YOUR DR. SEUSS BOOKS! LEAVE US ADULTS ALONE TO GET ON WITH THE BUSINESS OF DEFEATING YOUR LITTLE BOY!
aeon thinks he can convince us. he thinks he can guilt or shame us. he thinks we’ll buy his lines about for the good of the country. silly, silly aeon.
unlike silly, silly aeon, we know that obama must never be elected – for the good of the country!
The politics of personal destruction is right out of the Repug playbook
And Obama was offered advise by who?
Obama has used every nasty invention in the nook and then some.
He is parinoid to take Bushies comment personally.
Sure Bush will say vote democrat and die. If BO is POTUS he will get people killed. He is VERY danerous man. His “fruit of loom” paranoia is deadly.
Check this out. I’d given up on Peter Beinart.
What Obama Owes the Clintons
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1806811,00.html
Everyday when I scan the news and see that Obama/Axelrod haven’t yet figured out it’s too late to salvage our votes, it’s a good day. WRITE HER IN, if we must.
I was there when the “hate filled junk” started spewing. It came from your side, sweetie. Y’all should have considered the ramifications before you started dealing it out.
What part of: “That horse has left the barn,” don’t the SDs understand?????
It left the barn for me way back on Super Tuesday. It matters not what Hillary says. This isn’t ALL ABOUT HER!
It’s about the Democratic Party and how they pissed in our face and called it rain. It’s about the rampant misogyny from the Obama Campaign in collusion with the MSM. It’s about the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan. It’s about Howard Dean’s 48 state strategy and how he manipulated the scheduling of the Primaries so that the states with high numbers of AAs would give Obama the edge first. SC moved their primary up and they weren’t punished. It’s about the total arrogance and unprofessionalism of Donna Brazile who has told the base: STAY HOME. It’s about the ugly remarks of the Obama supporters and most importantly the playing of the race card by Obama, Michelle shamelessly all the while blaming the Clintons and allowing that lie to stand. It’s about the Party, the msm and Obama’s constant cries for Hillary to drop out when in fact this has never happened to any other candidate in the history of the Party, so why her? Just ask Ted Kennedy about 1980 and how far he took it with less and against an incumbent President no less.
(btw, Ted, my belated thank you note for giving us the Reagan Years is in the mail. Although, I’ll probably have to send you another one because of your premature endorsement for Obama after SC when you threw a hissy fit over your brother not being mentioned in the same sentence with the Civil Rights Act even though JFK didn’t sign it and LBJ did. And tell Kerry not to look for one from me because I ain’t sending him shit. But will be sending a donation to anybody willing to oppose him in a Primary.)
Basically, it comes down to this: Obama will have to:
WIN WITHOUT ME!
And there’s nothing anyone in the Democratic Party can say to me.
Haven’t people copied & pasted some of these remarks by Obama’s people? There’s an ugly one on the thread about the alleged tape. UGLY, VILE, VICIOUS remarks. And guess what? Obama might want to think twice about the money he’s spending because when confronted with the intelligence of the Hillary supporters they revert back to their nasty ways.
The Party’s over. And they have no one but themselves to blame. Many of us tried to warn them way back in December, when I was all for towing the Party line. But their strategy was to spread vile contemptible remarks in cyberspace about Hillary and they actually forgot to do the simple math: that they were going to need us in the end.
Sorry, but I don’t reward such ignorance and nastiness. The truth is they still think they can do this without us, which is why Donna Brazile told us to STAY HOME. (I want her fired btw)
If McCain is competitive in my big blue state, I’m voting for him. PERIOD! Why? Because Hillary would have won my big blue state without question.
But this is the question that burns and sears in my mind: WHAT KIND OF LUNATIC LEADERSHIP would bestow the nomination on a candidate who didn’t win ONE BIG STATE???? And only won MISSOURI BY ONE PERCTAGE POINT?
Are these people on drugs???? They must think we are stupid, which is the final and most important reason that nothing they say or do will change my mind. NOBODY PLAYS ME FOR STUPID. And yes, IT’S ALL ABOUT ME AND MY ONE VOTE! It’s a Democracy, something Obama, the DNC and Obama’s people have plainly forgotten. You don’t fuck with people’s voting rights in a democracy.
PS
There was a great revolt over a Jake Tapper’s abc blog last night about the Women who are now organizing a revolt against the Party and Obama. It seems as though the announcement by Edwards and NARAL made women finally go batshit.
It’s about time!!!!!
Hmmm lets see. Some blogger who may or may not be a repug or may or may not be an Obama supporter but is clearly not an official of the campaign says something stupid and you attribute that to the candidate. Does that seem reasonable to you?
Big States are not the metric! Neither is the number of states won. Neither is the popular vote. Delegates (pledged or super) are. She doesnt have enough. He doesn’t have enough. When one of them gets it the other ought to accept it and move on. If neither gets it then it should go to the convention or until such time as they do. But you can’t go changing horses midstream. Its not about popular vote. Now if the popular vote leads superdels to say she’s better, then they should vote that way and she’ll be the nominee. But lets at least be intellectually honest about the standard here. When you continually change the guage, you lose credibility. What will it be next? Big States?, Red states?, States that begin with “T”?
I think it might be time for more people to call Hillary campaign office. I just did today and last week. I spoke to two different people, both of whom I think did not realize how much opposition there really is to Obama. I know, you would think they would know, but sometimes I wonder. The blogs are their own world, in a way, and busy people who are not addicts, like us, really have no idea what is going on on so many sites.
I think it should be brought to their attention – yes, even the Hillary campaign. That no matter what she tells us we won’t vote for big O. They don’t realize that all the sheep have already made their choice, the one the media and the kool kidz ordered. We are more thinking ones, we do our research, make our own decisions. So no, not Hill or Edwards, can tell me how to vote.
I’m still hoping that if we can get her to know this, we can get her to run as Independent. It’s not the same as Nader run. She’s already campaigned for more than a year, she’s been deserted by the party. I still hope she’ll be the nominee, but I always like a backup plan.
I think it’s possible she could be drafted if she knows her followers need her. I think she really does care about voters, especially now. It’s worth a shot. I won’t vote for McCain. He is just so pathetic, just dumb. I keep hoping he’ll surprise me, but it’s just more of the same “we’ll win the war in Iraq.”
The other choice is the coca-cola boy. (Oops, they’ll say that’s racist. I’m sorry, it’s just a bad habit of mine.)
I’ll make it up to you, sweetie.
Next time I’m in town.
Yeah yeah, same old okie dokie! Are you in town periodically?
I’ve asked the same question on several blogs. No answer yet. How does a first term Junior Senator, get all of that money? Keep digging.
Follow the money. Every time.
The only ACK I want to send to these Obamatics is the packet variety, like 10000000000000001 to choke them off their so-called “internetz”.
You can wave Pat Buchanan in front of me, running for President even, but I’ll still vote for Hillary FIRST.
This is a “herstoric” event, and probably one within my lifetime if the MSNBC trash has it’s say. So I’ll stick with Hillary all the way to November.
If the DNC throws this election, I hope every last woman who’s disgusted with it’s leadership will vote the bums out — be it Dean to Kennedy to Pelosi — they sat on the sidelines while the Obamatics AND Obama trashed the most viable Dem president today. That’s uncalled for, and utterly dispicable behavior from party leadership — the same party leadership that tells us Americans we have to live with this PC crap, that they themselves don’t practice!
Thanks so much for all the reporting you do on this blog. I am not surprised that Obama has to pay people to write for him – I myself am NOT on anyone’s payroll except my own and I am blogging for Hillary. Let’s hope the DNC comes to its senses.
I’m an AMERICAN above being a Democrat. I will not vote for someone who I know will be a bad President. I hold my allegiance to my country, not my party.
What these fuckers don’t understand is that the most fervent supporters of Hillary, especially women like my wife, don’t blog or read the blogs or give a damn about blogs, but they are DEADLY serious about their support and they won’t abandon her. These folks are Kos and Mydd don’t freaking understand that there is a whole world out there beyond their keyboards and computer. A world they don’t understand and a world that is totally out of their control.
Correct. The women on O’Reilly who have started their exit from the Democratic party are perfect examples. They don’t even have a web site, but they went on TV and literally held up a poster board with printed e-mail addresses. I’m not kidding.
They were sincere women who have worked a lifetime for Democrats and mad as heck that not one person ever stood up and said a word about the sexist treatment Hillary has received. Yet the Dems had no problem jumping up and down when Bush pointed out Obama’s actual stance on foreign policy and criticized it.
It’s appalling. It’s upset women who would not dream of calling themselves feminists.
And if the poll in Oregon is correct, watch out. If it’s true that she’s within 5 points of Obama after he was up 20 a week ago?
This “anger” is about to become quite visible.
I wonder if the boys are going to be surprised.
Obama is gonna Obomba in the general if he manages to steal the nomination…an I’m gonna healp!(little hommage to the ol shake an bake commercial there for you youngsters)
Hillary will kick his skinny ass in Kentucky, pull close or win in Oregon, and the next day they will trot out another critter-delegate already bought and paid for in advance, to endorse His Hopeness…
This is the biggest scam-marketing ploy in history, and I want no part in it, in November I will write-in Hillary and vote Dem down ticket, there’s no way in hell I will reward these assholes with the Presidency of the US.
My letter to Howard Dean and notification of change in party affiliation.
April 22, 2008
Howard Dean, Chairman
Democratic National Committee
430 S. Capitol Street, S.E.
Washington, D.C. 20003
Dear Chairman Dean:
This seems as good a day as any to inform you that I visited my Town Hall a few weeks ago and changed my party affiliation from Democrat to “unenrolled” (Independent). This move reflects my loss of confidence that the DNC is capable of effectively managing the 2008 Presidential election.
The prospect of taking this step was harder than actually doing it. It wasn’t just my natural procrastinating nature, it’s that I’ve proudly worn my party affiliation throughout my adult life – a legacy from my maternal grandmother who only gained the right to vote following the births of six of her seven children. Throughout her life she liked to say she voted “the entire Democratic ticket” – local, state and national offices. Her hero was Franklin Roosevelt. She credited him with rescuing not only our country – but also her precious family.
Today, many who personally remember the Roosevelt years are voting in their final elections – though I wish them long, healthy lives. My generation is now on their side of the generation divide. Voters raised in the 1950’s and ‘60’s ideologically found a home in the party and, as importantly, recall that legacy passed on by parents and grandparents. As time has passed, some have certainly felt comfortable shedding party labels – how else to explain “Reagan Democrats” and the growing number of voters enrolled as independents. But still, that core of democratic voters has remained – a reliable sector of the electorate that can be called “legacy” democrats.
My fear today is that it will be the ugliness of this election – the personal attacks leveled by Democrats themselves that will prematurely break the bond that middle aged and elderly voters have with the party. Perhaps the party has already calculated the number of voters like me who plan to desert it and determined that it can live with that loss. What I’d ask them to consider though is – are they ready to lose that next generation who like me was predisposed to voting “the entire democratic ticket”. I can’t speak for other families, but mine knows that I feel passionately about this issue. As this process has played out with either the ineffectiveness of Party leaders or worse, their covert complicity in failing to rein in the savaging of the Clintons, my children are bound to hear about the failings or perhaps the treachery of the Democratic Party during the 2008 Primary season. It appears that my legacy will not include continued devotion to the Democratic Party.
I’m one who believes that the super delegates are there to make sure that we have a winning candidate in the general election. Are they supposed to turn over the clearly expressed overwhelming support for one candidate over another? – absolutely not. But currently, that situation doesn’t exist. Both candidates have shown strengths as well as weaknesses that need to be considered before Democrats send the nominee out to compete in the general election. Both candidates are pretty much tied in national polls. The peculiarities of the caucuses may have given one candidate the appearance of a leg up. I know however that insiders within the party realize that caucus results don’t translate to victories in Electoral College results.
Recently, we’ve seen the unleashing of attacks on Clinton the likes of which have never been seen in a democratic primary (during this age of instantaneous communication and the 24 hour news cycle) as well as demands that she leave the race. At the same time Clinton’s opponent is dealing with lingering questions about his judgment. Curiously, though he manages to obtain a few high profile endorsements. As we approached the final week before the Pennsylvania primary, I cynically noted a few more 3rd tier endorsements timed for maximum gain. All this seemed designed to lower her support in Pennsylvania – a state where she was expected to carry by double-digit numbers before the vicious, unfair attacks on her honesty and reports of “voter fatigue” began surfacing. In the wake of these attacks, the Obama campaign and media release a flurry of polls that show a decline in support for her candidacy and how positively she is viewed. My question, where were the polls showing Obama’s significant declines since February – before the Rev. Wright situation even surfaced.
To sum up, my fear for the Democratic Party in the short term is that they may be embarked on a course of badly gauging public sentiment concerning the viability of Senator Obama’s candidacy going forward. Showing once again that Democrats have an uncanny ability to “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory”. As memories of this election fade, regardless of the outcome, many Democrats will wonder why the Party allowed the savaging of the Clintons. They’ll wonder why, to promote the candidacy of someone not fully vetted and so inexperienced, The DNC permitted one campaign to sacrifice the reputation of Bill Clinton, the only Democrat in almost 50 years to win re-election to a full eight-year term as President. Whoever dreamed up and ultimately stayed silent about the strategy of linking the Clinton years with those of Bush may ultimately be responsible for the election of John McCain. This I believe is at the heart of why so many of us have threatened to jump to McCain in the November election. As an ardent supporter of Hillary Clinton, I understand that she’s on record as calling for her supporters to unite behind the eventual nominee. I respect and admire her but this issue – the direction of the Democratic Party and what it will accept as fair play concerning the conduct of its candidates – has me determined now to support John McCain if Obama is nominated.
No one more than myself wants to be proved wrong about all this. I’m just not hopeful in the face of these unrelenting attacks on Hillary Clinton. I hope she prevails in Pennsylvania as well as the future primaries. Significant wins could clear the path toward the nomination of this historic candidate. She can’t though with what appears to be the sabotaging efforts of that faction of the DNC that is tied to an Obama candidacy at all costs – even at the cost of that ultimate prize, a Democratic victory in November.
I’m hoping that officials at the DNC can rein in those surrogates of Senator Obama who continue to unfairly paint Senator Clinton as the source of negativity in this campaign. I believe that their insinuations as well as the huge media bias that’s been expressed is at the heart of the so-called likeability and popularity numbers that get so much coverage. No one believes that the future of the Democratic Party is helped when a former President and his administration are subjected to unrelenting attacks Do Democrats really believe that the Clinton years can be linked to the disastrous Bush years? Yet, that’s what Senator Obama’s strategy has been since the beginning to demean and challenge the administration of the only Democrat elected to a full eight-year term since Franklin Roosevelt.
I’d leave you with this final thought. If this “legacy” democrat could survive eight years of George W. Bush, she can live through four years of John McCain while the Democratic Party figures out its “true” base.
Sincerely yours,
Enclosure: Notice of Change in Party Affiliation
twinmom48,
That is a beautifully written letter. It breaks my heart to see such an empassioned Democrat go unheard. Your legacy will be a loyalty to America, and that does matter.
There is a quickly growing sentiment that mirrors yours, and the DNC is FOOLISH to not heed the warning.
Since I refuse to watch msnbc & cnn have they done a story on the women who were on O’Reilly?
If not, CASE CLOSED!
This is NEWS! That they aren’t reporting it only proves our point. The msm is in the tank for Obama! And this is what we are rebelling about! They did this with the Iraq War and their doing it this Election.
The jig is up!!
IMHO..This really goes beyond Democratic vs. Republican. If Obama is the Democratic nominee…HE WILL NOT BE POTUS…He is a dangerous impediment to the current state of affairs both nationally and globally. If you read history, then it is pretty clear where things are headed and as much as Americans don’t like the idea….Some things go beyond ideas….
Some things are about survival…We did not fight the Fascists until there was a direct threat to our interests….America will continue to keep to it’s traditional alliances because they are idealogical and strategic….America will do what it deems necessary for stability…..In this we work traditionally hand and hand with Europe…Obama threatens stability…..
OBAMA HAS DEMONSTRATED HE IS A THREAT TO OUR 2 PARTY SYSTEM…
OBAMA IS A THREAT TO RACE RELATIONS
OBAMA IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT HE IS AA….IT IS THAT HE IS ALIEN TO AMERICA
HE IS ALIEN TO WHAT WE STAND FOR A A PEOPLE AND A NATION….
Wow, you might want to take a Xanax and have a shot of scotch before you blow an “O” ring. Breathe and tell me How Ob is a threat to democracy….Theres something real scary here and it ain’t Barack Obama, son!
I’ve been saying it for a while:
Everyone take the pledge, let Howard Dean know:
We can put a stop to the FL – MI problem.
“If MI and FL are not brought into the national picture immediately and their votes counted, and if Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will not vote for president in November. If MI and FL are returned to the national picture immediately and their votes counted, then I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever it is”.
If enough of us take the pledge then Dean has few choices. If he makes the wrong choice then Obama will have no chance to be President. Period. The only chance for Obama and choice for Dean is to bring FL and MI into the equation, now.
Never, ever vote for McInane. Rest it all on Dean’s shoulders, he’s helped create this mess. Let him hang in shame forever if the Democrats lose the presidency in 2008.
If FL and MI are counted and all the chips fall, then we can say we have fought the good fight and (I almost said move on, puke) then fight for the Democratic party and the country.
Mimi, you’re not Black….I know you
“Even though I may not “like it” — I put MY COUNTRY FIRST – over one person.”
Excuse me, but you need to understand something.
First of all, exercising your privilege to vote is putting your country first—no matter who you choose to vote for. Secondly, I’m a lifelong Democrat, but those “Repugs” as you call them are just as American and just as much a part of this country as you and I are. Yet, you’re on this forum accusing the posters here of divisiveness? The very nature of your post is devisive. My husband is a Republican, and I love that man more than anyone else in this world, so you take your snotty, adolescent name-calling somewhere else before I go all “menopausal mafia” on you.
If you can’t debate like a grown-up, go back to the playpen.
This week tons of trolls have appeared on TM and all they talk about is why Hillary people should vote for Oblahma.
I will not vote for Obama. I will work at getting John elected if Hillary does not make it this time around.
Who are the Obama paid bloggers I hear talk of and saw a mention over at No Quarter, is it the blogger boiz?
PS: I am voting for Hillary in the general one way or the other. I will write her name in if I have to.
PPS: Great blog here btw.
I have thought of nothing but who can I vote for. Who/what comes first, Hillary or my country? My country comes first. Even if Hillary is VP, I cannot vote for Obama. He is a flawed individual who lacks character. They now have sneakers that say “Yes, we can.” What is this funding? He is going to clean up in money. Does the money from the sneakers go in his pocket or to his campaign?
The man is outrageous. He is a crook. He took bribes. He was the Chair of that hospital board and knew how Rezko operated. He was part of it all. What in God’s name is Kennedy and Kerry thinking. Are they okay with this crook?
I guess I will just write Hillary’s name in here in Florida. She has to register with the state in order for it to count, otherwise it is a throw away vote.
What a God damn mess this election is. June 1, I become an Independent.
“I become an Independent.”
Welcome to the flock.
You will be amazed how good it feels when you don’t have to justify trainwrecks like the McGovern or Mondale campaigns…….
or that which is coming.
Where are hillary’s superdelegates since west virginia?
Obama has 10 to her 1 since he got blown out on Tuesday.
Wake up Clinton fans, the superdelegates are NOT coming to your rescue. LMAO, only ONE fucking superdelegate coming to her side after a 40 point blowout??? POOOOR HILLARY………..
No matter what happens over the next few weeks, I’m hoping Hillary takes it to the convention.
She’s a fighter and she can fight for this nomination.
We’re with her all the way!
And I’ll do my best to buy a ticket to Denver if it’ll help to have support there.