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By Adolph Green on May 17, 2008 at 9:48 AM in African-American Media, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Chicago, Chicago politics, Clinton, Current Affairs, Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton, Hoodwinking, Jesse Jackson Jr., New Yorker, Obama, Race, Race Card
Reprinted by permission of The Progressive. Reed’s article was part of a debate on Obama in the May issue that included an affirmative by Edwidge Danticat.
Adolph Reed Jr. is Professor of Political Science at the University of Pennsylvania.
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I’ve never been an Obama supporter. I’ve known him since the very beginning of his political career, which was his campaign for the seat in my state senate district in Chicago. He struck me then as a vacuous opportunist, a good performer with an ear for how to make white liberals like him. I argued at the time that his fundamental political center of gravity, beneath an empty rhetoric of hope and change and new directions, is neoliberal.
His political repertoire has always included the repugnant stratagem of using connection with black audiences in exactly the same way Bill Clinton did—i.e., getting props both for emoting with the black crowd and talking through them to affirm a victim-blaming “tough love” message that focuses on alleged behavioral pathologies in poor black communities. Because he’s able to claim racial insider standing, he actually goes beyond Clinton and rehearses the scurrilous and ridiculous sort of narrative Bill Cosby has made infamous.
It may be instructive to look at the outfit where he did his “community organizing,” the invocation of which makes so many lefties go weak in the knees. My understanding of the group, Developing Communities Project, at the time was that it was simply a church-based social service agency. What he pushed as his main political credential then, to an audience generally familiar with that organization, was his role in a youth-oriented voter registration drive.
The Obama campaign has even put out a misleading bio of Michelle Obama, representing her as having grown up in poverty on the South Side, when, in fact, her parents were city workers, and her father was a Daley machine precinct captain. This fabrication, along with those embroideries of the candidate’s own biography, may be standard fare, the typical log cabin narrative. However, in Obama’s case, the license taken not only underscores Obama’s more complex relationship to insider politics in Daley’s Chicago; it also underscores how much this campaign depends on selling an image rather than substance.
There is also something disturbingly ritualistic and superficial in the Obama camp’s young minions’ enthusiasm. Paul Krugman noted months ago that the Obamistas display a cultish quality in the sense that they treat others’ criticism or failure to support their icon as a character flaw or sin. The campaign even has a stock conversion narrative, which has been recycled in print by such normally clear-headed columnists as Barbara Ehrenreich and Katha Pollitt: the middle-aged white woman’s report of not having paid much attention to Obama early on, but having been won over by the enthusiasm and energy of their adolescent or twenty-something daughters. (A colleague recently reported having heard this narrative from a friend, citing the latter’s conversion at the hands of her eighteen year old. I observed that three short years ago the daughter was likely acting the same way about Britney Spears.)
Princeton Professor Sean Wilentz, a Clinton supporter, noted that the Obama campaign advisers have tried to have it both ways on the race question. On the one hand, they present their candidate as a figure who transcends racial divisions and “brings us together”; on the other hand, they exhort us that we should support his candidacy because of the opportunity to “make history” (presumably by nominating and maybe electing a black candidate). Increasingly, Obama supporters have been disposed to cry foul and charge racism at nearly any criticism of him, in steadily more extravagant rhetoric.
The campaign’s accusation that the Clinton team made Obama look darker in a photo or video clip than he actually is—and what exactly are we to make of that as an accusation?—and the hysterically indignant reaction to Geraldine Ferraro’s statement that much of Obama’s success stems from the fact that “the country is caught up in the concept” of a black candidacy are no different from the campaign’s touting its “historic” character. Obama supporters fulsomely attacked even Clinton’s attempts to portray him as inexperienced, which is standard fare in political campaigns. They also charged that she was playing to racism. See most recently Harvard sociologist Lawrence Bobo’s characterization that she was “disrespecting” black people, a leftover canard from Jesse Jackson’s campaigns (which, lest amnesia overtake us, were also extolled as historic firsts).
The Jackson comparison points to one of Obama’s key contradictions: Like Jackson, he wants to appeal to blacks with the “it’s our time now” line, and to white liberals with that, as well as with the “I’m black in a different way from Jesse” qualifier and the religious conversion rhetoric. A friend said that Obama’s campaign, in stressing his appeal to rapturous children and liberal, glamorous yuppies, offers vicarious identification with these groups, as well as the chance to become sort of black in that ultra-safe and familiar theme park way.
I often tell my students that, even though Paul Wellstone was my good friend from college to his death and an individual for whom I always had great respect, no politician in this system is likely to be a person you’d want for your sister-in-law or brother-in-law. And, as many Progressive readers may know, I’m hardly a Clinton fan. I’m on record in last November’s issue as saying that I’d rather sit out the election entirely than vote for either her or Obama. At this point, though, I’ve decided that she’s the lesser evil in the Democratic race, for the following reasons: 1) Obama’s empty claims to being a candidate of progressive change and to embodying a “movement” that exists only as a brand will dissolve into disillusionment in either a failed campaign against McCain or an Obama Presidency that continues the politics he’s practiced his entire career; 2) his horribly opportunistic approach to the issues bearing on inequality—in which he tosses behaviorist rhetoric to the right and little more than calls to celebrate his success to blacks—stands to pollute debate about racial injustice whether he wins or loses the Presidency; 3) he can’t beat McCain in November.
Frankly, I suspect that Clinton can’t beat him either, but there’s no way that Obama will carry most of the states in November that he’s won in the primaries and caucuses. And, while it makes some liberals feel good to think that a majority of the American electorate could vote for a black Presidential candidate, we should keep in mind that the Republicans haven’t let one dog out of the kennel against him yet. The Jeremiah Wright contretemps is only the first bark.
Obama’s style of being all things to all people threatens to melt under the inescapable spotlight of a national campaign against a Republican. It’s like what brings on the downfall of really successful con artists: They get themselves onto a stage that’s so big that they can’t hide their contradictions anymore, and everyone finds out about the different stories they’ve told different people. And Obama’s belonging to Wright’s church in the first place was quite likely part of establishing a South Side bourgeois nationalist street cred because his political base was with Hyde Park/University of Chicago liberals and the foundation world.
For now, the Jeremiah Wright connection probably won’t hurt him too much, partly because the Republicans at this point mainly may want to keep him and Clinton bleeding each other as long as possible. And his Philadelphia compromise speech—a string of well-crafted and coordinated platitudes and hollow images worthy of an SUV commercial, grounded with the reassuring “acknowledgment” of blacks’ behavioral inadequacies—has gained him breathing room by holding out a vague promise of racial “reconciliation” that has appealed to centrist liberals ever since Booker T. Washington’s comparably eloquent 1895 accommodation to Southern white supremacy. Obama gets credit for “opening a conversation” on race, for “taking the matter on squarely.” But he doesn’t really speak to what we ought to be doing to address the injustices, past and present, that he mentions. Despite all the babble about Obama’s transcendence, Obama persists in portraying black Americans as a stereotypical monolith: blacks feel x; whites feel y. And the trope of black “anger” is a tired chestnut that neither explains nor characterizes political grievances or aspirations. (By the way, Obama’s casting Wright’s alleged “anger” as generational is entirely consistent with his earlier praise of Ronald Reagan for sensing Americans’ desire to undo the “excesses” of the 1960s and 1970s.)
Because he’s tried carefully to say enough of whatever the audiences he’s been speaking to at the time want to hear while leaving himself enough space later on to deny his intentions to leave that impression, his record represents precisely the “character” weakness the Republicans have exploited in every Democratic candidate since Dukakis: Another Dem trying to put things over on the American people.
Obama’s campaign has been very clever in carving out a strategy to amass Democratic delegate votes, but its momentum is in some ways a Potemkin construction—built largely on victories in states that no Democrat will win in November—that will fall apart under Republican pressure.
And then where will we be?
Correction: Adolph Reed Jr. apologizes to Katha Pollitt for stating that her daughter influenced her to support Obama. Her daughter did no such thing.
Adolph Reed Jr. is Professor of Political Science at the University of Pennsylvania.
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Reprinted by permission of The Progressive. Reed’s article was part of a debate on Obama in the May issue that included an affirmative by Edwidge Danticat.
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On Carole Midgen Leading’s poll to see who superdelegates should endorse, Hillary was leading by a wide margin yesterday. This morning it has flipped to Obama…and the strange thing is, if you hit reload on the page, Hillary keeps going down a percentage point a minute. I think someone is running a bot to change the vote, because apparently you can vote more than once. (An Obamabot…running a bot!)
Maybe it’s a good idea to vote (again) and to post some comments on her board to counter this obvious manipulation of the voting tally:
http://www.carolemigdenleading.com/forum.asp
The vote continues to be skewed by a wide margin, with Hillary going down a number of points per minute. I just commented on Carole’s forum accordingly:
Carole, you need to get your sysadmin to fix your voting system. It’s being tampered with. Yesterday Hillary was leading by a healthy margin, and the percentages were somewhat stable throughout the day. This morning I logged in to find Obama up by a huge percentage. That was a bit strange…but even stranger still is the fact that in the past 5 minutes Hillary has gone down about 5 percentage points and Obama has gone up accordingly. (It’s probably more now.) I sincerely doubt this is a large group of voters doing this. Your vote appears to be open to manipulation; i.e., the same person can vote twice. I suspect someone has programming a bot to hit your vote count in favor of Obama over and over again. Basically, it’s voting spam. You should redo this vote with more secure software and require an email address for more accurate results.
Geez, it’s still going down. When I first checked, Hillary was at 34%. Hitting reload I just watched her go from 29% to 28% in the span of seconds. Please, I hope other people contact Carole about this obvious fraud.
I just voted and left comment….I don’t get it either…Oboobs must be swamping it…
workingclass artist;
You are correct
We indeed need to do more than keeping up with the Jones’s, we need to surpass them in every respect. BO bots were doing the same thing to the C-Span polls.
The origin of this BO or Rethug?
I left her a message about it as well. Here is an article I sent her. http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=467
Leisa, great link!
I have an issue with those types of polls online. No one is going to get an accurate idea of who the SDs should endorse by posting a poll online (especially with all the bot technology and paid internet staff.)
It’s a exercise in futility. The SDs should support whomever will be the most competitive with McCain (the one with the swing state goods), not one that appeals to random internet people. The swing voters aren’t online taking polls.. they’re working. We sometimes forget not everyone is a political internet junky like we are.
It’s probably just a tactic to get people to come to their site.
I’m getting so suspicious of everyone :-J.
OT….TEDDY KENNEDY RUSHED TO HOSP. AFTER SUFFERING A STROKE.
NPR: 5/17.08 11:00 AM TEXAS TIME….Just so you know…..
I wish a Speedy recovery for Sen. Kennedy. I hope he is in no pain. I’ve had a minor stroke myself so I can relate somewhat. No matter what his affiliations I would never wish pain on anyone.
Bon Chance Teddy
maybe you will have an epiphany after all of this and come to your senses and decide to support the only REAL candidate with any REAL experience
GO HILLARY!
This poll has been hacked. Every vote that goes in for Hillary her percentage goes down and Obama’s goes up. I left a note to the SD about it please do the same.
definitely i noticed it yesterday and today
it’s been messed with at the source
I have a poll just like that on my blog that if I wanted to – I could add or subtract votes. Most are like that.
The OWNER has to be honest and watch IP’s for double voters too!
Well, they just closed the poll, with this note:
During the past 24 hours the poll has become competition for supporters of Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to gain the most votes. We’ve decided to close the poll. Thank you for participating.
Hillary supporters have always been far outnumbered on line. I’m sure KOS put out a bulletin to go vote and his O-bots like lemmings followed suit. WE know they read here as they have little to talk about beyond the HOPEY CHANGEY message
GAWD that MUST be getting soooooooo boring for some of the more REAL WORLD followers and kids.
I don’t think the barackoolaid has a true shelf life. More like lemon yogurt left standing out for a few days – FULL of poison and not so tasty anymore.
i love your HOPEY CHANGEY thing!!! awesome… i have been saying hopeTM changeTM…i can’t even say the word hope anymore… it truly makes me want to barf. hope truly has become just another 4 letter word. it means everything and nothing at the same time, it is empty and people aren’t falling for it period.
the problem with his branding of these words is that you can brand whatever crap you want, but if people aren’t buying it then you have a problem. his brands have no history of being reliable or being of actual quality, they have no customer service support when things go wrong, and his products that come from his brands are fading instead of growing in popularity.
The poll has now been closed since they realize that it was being manipulated. I visited the poll yesterday and saw Hillary well ahead. Early this morning, I visited it again. When I saw the way the polled flipped, it made me suspicious and mad.
I revoted over and over for Hillary and got Hillary’s numbers to rise from 38% to about 40.5%, but then something happened. Every time I voted, Hillary was losing ground, not gaining ground.
Normally, I could care less about polls because they can easily be manipulated by deleting the cookies on your computer after you vote each time, which enables you to vote again. I found this to be true recently. Since I am so sick of polls being manipulated by Obama scum, I decided to do some manipulating myself. Am I proud of it? NO.
All I can say is that if a webpage wants to have some type of poll, it should be done in such a way that a person can only vote once from their computer address. Hopefully, what happened on this particular website is an eye-opener for everyone who pays attention to website polls. These polls are not to be believed in any way.
Fight the power!
Read article re. Obama hiring 400 bloggers to work things in his favor on the net, so don’t believe anything you read, and stick to your own convictions.
You lost me here, AA people are not to blame for their poverty, but at a certain point responsibility becomes an issue, whether it’s mine, or yours, to assume a codependent or Vito ideology is to give power to others.
Gosh, too bad.
How bout those lakers?
victim, or vito,
victim, sorry…
I don’t think that is what the author meant. I think he meant that the entire personal respon. meme, while there is no doubt truth to it, is a dodge to dealing with real and systemic problems that face poor (many of whom are black) people in this country. that’s why i think Hillary is so dead on when she says we need affitmative action for everyone. so that every american has a real chance to make something of themselves.
spell checking program gone awry? THough I’d like to explore a Vito mentality… sounds more interesting.
I had the impression it was the opposite, sort of an either/or.
Yes, obviously institutionalized racism has led to the poverty we see today, but the decision, as Cosby would state, to buy 500.00 Mikes,(or Nikes, jeez) as opposed to investing that money in scholarship, say, is personal.
But again, why?
A lack of hope?
Why? And how can this be addressed?
You can’t DO for people, they have to WANT to change, want to make their lives better, and in that respect I think Cosby is dead on. I can advocate for affirmative action ( and I will, forever) but ultimately it’s up to the individual to grab, and use the opportunity. Hard to do when the value system is such a pair of Nike’s is superior to an “A” in calculus, and that’s true for all aspects of our culture, not just AA.
You see?
It’s not really an either/or, IMO it’s a little more complex.
Why don’t AA schools, or schools in poorer areas have the same quality of education that an Anglo area does? How can this best be addressed? A more fair tax distribution, what? How can we improve textbooks, and teachers? Why isn’t the atmosphere more conducive to teaching? A large part of the socail aspect IS personal responsibility, and it has to start at home. And if the greater social factors are such the culture is in decline, we need to find out why.
One thing affects another, the culture can’t be seperated from the individual, both sides are right, really.
The most recent issue of the Atlantic had an article about this issue, too.
I’ve been changing my screen name due to the problems word press is having with the spam filter.
I feel very badly about bothering Susan, taking time away from her work, continually, to address and correct this problem, it is not an attempt on my part to appear deceitful.
there is no doubt truth to this. but i do not think personal responsibility is a helpful way to analyze the situation. yes, it is needed.
why is it that children who grow up rich are more likely to do drugs than even those in the ghetto?
this is not an excuse for anyone. i think that at the margins when you actually or practially have nothing to lose or no real path to gain anything people are far more likely to behave badly.
Lecturing them (while necessary) does not attack the real problem. Make sure that there are real opps. for EVERYONE. Some people will fail because of their personal weaknesses and that is as it should be. People need to believe that their behavior has consequences for good or ill.
should of qualified by “rich” I mean Richistan Rich, not upper middle class
Matterhorn,
Read this article if you want a perspective on the problem:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html
To be sure, the problem at this point is complex. But in the last 40 years, single parent homes have decimated the black underclass in a time period when blacks have made great strides. I agree with much of what Cosby addresses. And one of the things that has pissed me off with Obama is that he says nothing! And that’s just more of the same. Living in the urban black community and part of the working poor, I wish I could offer a perspective. I’ve worked with teen mothers and I have to say the problem is one of deeply rooted ignorance. An ignorance that is handed down through the generations. Schools don’t help because it is a bureaucracy that must serve first the teachers’ Unions. I am pro Union, but I have to say this is one Union that I think works against the best interests of the kids. What would be needed in the black community is a totally different approach that understands that middle class value systems are not in place in family units. Schools would have to on some level, recreate what’s lacking at home. Also, the single mother community is one that relies heavily on extended family units. Efforts must be made to understand this and realize you are not just working with 2 parent households. But here’s where other blacks could be key. Helping to elevate education as something that is not only necessary, but desirable. Unfortunately, during the Reagan Years a culture emerged that devalued education and it’s spreading in the same way drugs did to white America, too. Hence, the emergence of hip hop culture and rap. Also, the stupidity of validating black vernacular under Ebonics encouraged AAs not to learn standard English. If you can’t speak standard English you won’t want to read. If you don’t read, then you are functionally illiterate and cut off from education.
Look I could go on. It’s complex.
I didn’t ask for permission to re-post because I agreed with every word, but because he has a great deal of intimate knowledge of Obama the man — and for that alone, his post is of great value.
I’ve not heard him make any statments with regard to AA issues during this election. Perhaps the writer is talking about his time in Chicago?
But the write lost me with the quote as well.
Huh????
Dr. Reed,
Well thought out critique and facttual analysis of the Obama phenomenon.
My only disagreement is the lacking information that Obama’s March 18,2008 speech is in fact a rehash of Louis Farrakhan’s 1995 DC Million Man March speech entitled “Perfect Union”. I offer you a link so that you may examine for yourself:
http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/one-degree-of-separation-did-obama-lift.html
And this is a brilliant lead statment to foster greater research and discusiion:
Thank you for your time and valued insights.
gosh does he steal everyone’s speeches? would he steal his inaugaration speech too? man this guy must be stopped now!!! go hillary steal oregon from him and turn the narrative around how you are gaining momentum for real while his star is fading… HILLARY 08
This article sums up my take on Obama perfectly. I also agree that it won’t be a stunning October surprise that undoes this campaign, it will be the unrelenting focus on his contradictions.
McCain’s already started. He really cannot escape the fact that he’s on record regarding meeting with America’s enemies without preconditions.
So he’s blowing smoke already to complain about being “attacked.” He’s not being attacked. He’s being challenged, and rightfully so. Hillary couldn’t challenge him. She got blasted everytime she tried to point out the obvious.
But McCain has no such barriers.
Thank you for see and stating what is so obvious to anyone but an Obamabot. Hillary was called a monster and a racist every time she dare question the Precious McCain will not give a damn about hurting him.
obama is great at playing the victim card when he has no idea how to fight back with actions or even words right away… he needs time to find speeches to steal…
There is something going on with that vote page as you refresh and vote it takes away from Hillary’s points and increases Obama’s percentage.
Whatever it its seems as if you vote for Hillary that vote goes to Obama.
Refresh it enough to make it 100% Obama — then she may understand what is wrong with her vote.
OK, I wrote it too fast — Carole whoever, the SD may understand what is wrong with her voting software.
My compliments to Prof. Reed for his well thought-out analysis.
I am concerned about the delegates that are going to Obama. They are our elected officials. What does that say about our congress, governors, etc. One of the reasons I am not voting for Obama is his character, his past, and his dishonesty.
Is our country being led by a bunch of crooks. How could our elected officials all swarm to this candidate? Are they blind to his record and his past? What is going on in this country?
The SDs get to vote their conscience. However, I get to vote for the SDs.
Keep track.
The one in CA who went for Obama was OK by me……from one of 3 counties he carried here. That’s fair.
I intend to research and pay attention, and if there’s not a good rational, then that person loses my vote.
A vote for Obama is the height of bad judgment to me unless there’s a compelling reason, such as the person’s area is highly pro-Obama.
I will not vote for poor judgment.
I DO hope the voters in Massachusetts, who voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton, will hold Kerry and Kennedy responsible for ignoring their wishes in supporting Obama.
News just in……Ted was taken to the hospital with stroke-like symptoms.
I may have to give up ragging on him.
There is nothing wrong with fair criticism of the decisions of an elected official….Teddy Kennedy has allowed his logic to be clouded….He has proven to be a disapointment and there is nothing wrong with speaking out about that IMHO…
He is an old man who has suffered a health hazard due to his age…
He is fully covered by Health Insurance….I am not…I have not been to a doctor in 9 years because I cannot even afford an routine phys. and as the evergrowing class dubed THE WORKING POOR I am not covered….And Sen. Kennedy could care less about my health…
It is important that sentiment not cloud logic…or rightful citicism.
I have no false guilt here. All my previous statements that this was entirely a Kennedy coup stand. I am convinced that he lost control over his own ego in the waning years, and he has so long resented the Clintons for bailing him out against Romney and for being better than he ever could hope to be.
I never underestimate the pay-back factor when someone has to rescue someone. It’s predictable, even.
Ted hadn’t mounted a campaign in years. Romney was about to beat him. Ted called in the Clintons, who swooped in and saved his re-election.
He’s never forgotten the humiliation of that.
Agree with you AnnCa….KARMA IS A BITCH….
OR AS THE CATHOLICS WOULD SAY….A PENANCE IS DUE….
** We all answer in this life or the next…imho….**
yeah, as my husband just observed, “You can’t write this shit”.
The drama continues…
So true! LOL*
It’s a hoot! I really need to do laundry.
Was advanced age his excuse in 1980, too? While I wish the man a speedy recovery, I also recognize his history as an “I know better”, “Me First” power player. To some degree, he and Obama are cut of the same cloth.
yeah i am wanting to bring a list of his sd supporters to my next election to vote against them because i think they have shown horrible judgement…
That is why it is important that Hillary takes this to the convention and forces a floor vote, IF it came to that (I am hoping wiser brains will prevail). We want to see the faces of those idiots.
I honestly think that all candidates in an election should first give back all donations from SDs at the start of the primaries, or be forbidden from donating to them at all. Considering OBama’s PAC handed out nearly 800k to Supers, it makes you wonder what the real scoop is.. “plenty more where that came from?” Ya think? And frankly, why the hell isn’t the MSM asking HOW a jr. senator raises nearly a million dollars for a PAC when he’s hardly even shown up for work since being elected??
Obama is big money and that is a deciding factor to many of the $uper Delegates.
It says that the politicians are corrupt. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
i love this quote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for reminding us of it
Well Professor Reed….I’m an alum from Penn…MFA/89…and all I can say is….
BEN FRANKLIN WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU SIR…SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER…
LOGICA FALSA OBAMAS PHILOSOPHIAM TOTAM SUFFODIANT
( Faulty Logic Undermines Obamas Entire Philosophy )
QUI TACET CONSENTIT
( He Who Is Silent…Consents )
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX ESTO
( Let The Welfare Of The People Be The Extreme Law )
“…We must all hang together or assuredly we shall hang separately….”
Ben Franklin. Address to the other signers of the Declaration of Independence
” There is no position which depends on clearer principles than that every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exersized….is void…” Alexander Hamilton. The Federalist Papers. no.78
** OBAMA IS UNFIT OR POTUS….HIS NOMINATION WOULD BE ILLEGITIMATE..**
This is dead on. Very well done.
Good article. He sums up Obama well and does a good job of showing people the dynamics of this election.
“Obama’s style of being all things to all people threatens to melt under the inescapable spotlight of a national campaign against a Republican.”
Yes, this is the problem with being a blank slate. Republicans are free to write whatever they want all over you.
And half of your own party doesn’t trust you because if you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything.
awesome… i love this if you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything… great…
OK now Hillary is down to 27% on Carole’s superdelegate poll…please see my posts at the top of this thread…I’m hoping someone here will read them!!!
Can you write to that SD and explain to her why these polls are a terrible idea?? That is not the way to gauge support — she has to know that, right?
The reliability of that poll cannot be taken seriously by anyone. If she allow that to determine or sway her vote then she certainly WILL allow Obama’s money to buy her vote.
Better to just leave a comment supporting Hillary.
The neglect here at No Quarter with regard to what President Bush is saying in the Middle East is astounding. Rewind please to the 2004 campaign to the Karl Rove wedges (he is back BTW) and revival of McCarthyism pointed at liberals in place of Communists. To talk or even convey a sense of responsiblity to the leaders of countries like Iran is to conspire with the “enemy” – McCain’s autopiltoed and simplistic conclusion with regard to the status of Iran. Yes, Obama is lacking in foreign policy experience but all the candidates are clueless. No one has accepted, in practice, that globalization has replaced the Cold War as historical precedent. No one has accepted, in practice, that passage through the Millennium serves many extremists to evaluation and to the resolve that it is their time to act. It is not America that anyone cares about because we have become paranoid about our own security post-9/11 and isolationists on many fronts e.g. it took a passionate speech from Equatorial New Guinea to get the US to consider sharing technology re: global warming. Yesterday, Bush’s conversation with the Saudi’s included the context that the US will be “forced” into alternative sources of energy if the Saudi’s do not boost oil production and then he blames liberals, yet again, for even suggesting that alternative energy are a viable option. Totally neglected by Bush is the Green movement because he cannot expand his thinking beyond his own portfolio.
People, please demand from these candidates and all the leaders of the world their answers to ending war, ending disease, adaptation to the consequences of global warming etc. I have been encouraged recently by the analysis at The Counterterrorism Blog by Meek that messages from OBL are zzzzzzzzzzzz… and contain no news. Messages from OBL share this similiarilty to McCain’s campaign run by Bush from the Middle East. Does anyone agree with me that partisan politicing is particularly dangerous in the Middle East and that the only precedent set here is ‘us vs them’? And what does ‘us vs them’ do for the Middle East “peace process” which was downplayed by Bush. What are the consequences, the caveat? Do they set the stage for the ulimate in religious war – the prophesized Anti-Christianity e.g. the rise of an Antichrist in the Middle East with America so isolated and weakened by Bush et. al. that we might even see it?
Honestly, if there is an anti-Christ, it’s Obama. He’s charismatic, getting support from bizarre quarters, pushed on us by the media, and many people who follow him act like cultists.
I don’t believe in an anti-Christ but if there was one, Obama would be on the short list and his charismatic pull over his followers is your first clue to be wary of him.
(Not to get overly dramatic or anything.)
Well, I can’t go quite that far. LOL*
He’s definitely a con artist. But I wait to see what his motives will produce.
That’s the problem with someone who has really not done much in life. Who can predict, really?
*shrug*
He could turn out to be evil. He could turn out to be an OK guy.
But it’s impossible to really know because he’s never done squat in life to this date.
Obama, IMHO, has zero to no chance of getting anything worthwhile done as President. His lack of experience and executive bureaucracy skills means he will blunder into paralyzing turf wars when he isn’t led into them by following advisors. (which will be the bulk of it)
Thats the first two years. He campaigns after that. By then he may learn the difference between Arab and Pashto, but I doubt he will understand fully the Princeton Project, the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, the Committee on the Present Danger, or their relevance to post-Soviet re-alignment which is way overdue. (hint: Lake, and Obama advisor, and Schultz run the PP)
Obama spells disaster.
“Well, I can’t go quite that far. LOL*”
I can. To underestimate a person who has inspired this kind of fervor is to do so at your own risk. And I’m not going to risk my own freedoms because I simply couldn’t see past my own nose. Or because I was too hung up in the idea of how it might look that I bought into a conspiracy theory. Barack Obama is not what he seems. He has a sketchy past, especially during his college years that is out and out creepy. How many people have no recollection of their college years? Columbia U is in NYC for God’s sake. NYC!!! I respect that he took his studies seriously, but come on!!! It’s a very vibrant campus with lots of activities that engage the surrounding communities. And it’s a big melting pot. Race and racism is not over the top just walking around, especially the Columbia U area which borders Harlem, a black community. Yet Obama lived off campus all the way on the east side which amounted to a arduous commute in crosstown traffic. Totally unnecessary since Columbia’s surrounding community is very hospitable to students seeking housing. Something’s up there. And until he offers some insight, then I remain suspicious.
and especially considering that supposedly the world is going to end in 2012… so it probably won’t if obama is not nominated or elected… we can change our future now
get out our deloreans and fire up the flux capacitor… just kidding, but we can change it by supporting hillary now and making sure she wins now.
PHILP HENEKA is from GAZA….NUFF SAID….
Carter listened to State Department and did not go Gaza but the State Department did not tell him not to the Middle East.
So? Zionists aren’t any better. Let me tell you about the “Ringworm Children”, that highlights the apartheid; the hate; the segregation based on color/national origin; and medical experimentation that would make Mengele proud.
Killing thousands of Arabic Jews by White European Jews, is a history that also needs to be told.
No free passes. There’s no “victim class” in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Each conducts it’s own barbaric acts, and each has to come to terms with them. The USA role in it, like it providing those X-Ray machines and paying millions to Israelis to conduct that “medical” experiment on Jews themselves, shows how and why we have zero business telling that region their own business, too.
Truth hurts. It’s gut wrenching. But wrongs must be righted.
I suggest that the cause of extremism is the passage through the Millennium i.e. that resolution with resultant committment is more the cause of the proliferation of personal agendas which are also in abundance here at No Quarter where instinct prevails over intellect. My guess is that we will not see the rise of the AntiChrist for the same reasons that we did not see 9/11 coming – caveats were ignored.
With any political group and sub-group there will be those who cling to convention. Right or wrong that’s the way it is.
But the status quo isn’t fixing the Israel/Palestine mess. If it takes talking to Hamas et al, to come to some solution, so be it. It worked with Northern Ireland (not as nice as everyone wanted, as religious intolerance still exists) but they’re living and not bombing each other. In generations they can finally come together.
History proves when a nationalist group fights as terrorists they are doing so because they have no other means to address the situation (our Revolutionary War, anyone?). Political solutions are nixed; military wise they’re outgunned. Not ALL such “freedom fighters” are just, some are plain criminal (Ayers et al), but those fighting for equality and freedom from a history of political contempt, have justification to be at the peace table. I wouldn’t want less in THIS country, when brass tacks time even Americans will have to do the same.
America isn’t Israel. It’s not Palestine. It’s America. We have our own self-interests to protect, and if wrongs were done with either, we have to correct them — but none of this victimology crap.
Anyone with one iota of politica sense knows the phrase, “you don’t deal with terrorists” is bunk. It’s how can you set up talks that both parties get a benefit for doing so. Reagan got the hostages home folks, and he didn’t promise the radicals he’ll bomb them to Kingdom Come.
Yes, I want all the leaders of the World to talk. I want all the World’s leaders to tell us what they plan to do to end war, to adapt to the consequences of global warming, to end disease etc. Are there any plans such as a ‘global peacebuilding initiative’ which would address factors that effect people’s health, prosperity and happiness. I am certain that any notion of AntiChrist would melt away with humanity’s choice and free will to build peace as the alternative to WWWIII. Otherwise, we have will to wait for the asteroid or the extraterrestial threat for our independence.
It’s time the Palestinians, not their brothers in Iran and Syria, to address their own autonomy. Just like Americans have to do for ourselves, and not rely on Canada and the UK.
Israel will have to exist. Palestine will have to exist. Forget what the next Zionist plot is to stall the process (I’m waiting for a Hamas leader to sneeze, as a Zionist justification to not get to business on a two state solution), just do it. Some progress is better than holding out for the whole cake. Then build up the culture, and have the intellectuals fight for the rights and other issues that make a civilization a civilization.
The irony here is, Palestinians will do exactly what Israel did. Any cries about “IT’S WRONG!”, just point back to history as a lesson and teacher. When faced with that reality, it’s talking turkey time, as the hypocrisy will be neon bright otherwise.
Guns and bombs aren’t the solution. It’s building up on the mistakes of others.
The Palestinians will not negotiate without Jerusalem being the capital of their state…Got it ?
ChrisXP….Our traditional alliance with Israel is both strategic and ideological….NOT RELIGIOUS….Israel is a Modern Democracy….
I am not going to presume to speak for either side….But I do understand the history of the conflict and our involvment….
“….We are going to see increasing efforts by the Islamic World to win the hearts and minds of the American People. Since Muslims have the financial capability….and a growing appreciation of the importance of public opinion in the West….There will be tremendous investment by Islamic States in all forms of INTERVENTION in American Society….
From the hiring of Public Relations Firms….TO MASSIVE SUPPORT OF POLITICAL CANDIDATES….” Marvin Zonis. ISLAM. The University of Chicago Magazine. SEPTEMBER 1980
YOU ARE SOUNDING FANATICAL….AND ILLOGICAL…..
** AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE ARE NO JEWISH/ZIONIST TERRORISTS LOBBING IUD’S AT AMERICANS….OR BLOWING UP US BUILDINGS GET A GRIP….**
BS.
The only reason we even care about that piece of dirt IS religion. It has zero resources that will benefit the US. Even Saudi Arabia, dirt and all, has more to offer.
For Zionists, yes, you’re correct. As Zionism was started by Atheistic Jews, which their religious counterparts rejected cold. By Torah standards, Israel shouldn’t even exist, as man ordered it’s existence, and without God’s permission.
But add Christianity (especially Christian Zionism) and Zionism, you have a 2000 year war over dirt.
That’s species killing, and nothing to mankind is worse than that.
OK Chris….Here’s a little fact based on history…
THERE IS GOING TO BE EMPIRICAL WOMPASS IN THE MIDDLE EAST
IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE AMERICA AND EUROPE ARE TIRED OF MIDEVIL TRIBES HOLDING THE WEST HOSTAGE OVER OIL….
THIS IS BAD FOR BUSINESS….AND RUSSIA WILL HOLD BACK….
AND CHINA WILL HOLD BACK….
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IDEAOLOGY…
PAX ROMANA = PAX AMERICANA = STABILITY….
THE NEW WORLD ORDER…THE IRAQ WAR IS THE OPENING SALVO
ISRAEL IS STRATEGICALLY IMPORTANT…LOCATION…LOCATION
Dirt in the past, yes but, what about water now. If Palestine becomes a reality then would Israel and Palestine build peace via cooperation over the availability of fresh water? And, if there are alternative energy sources to nuclear energy in Iran then would will ask this question? How about energy-efficient schools in Afghanistan or transgenic poppy plants that produce morphine instead of opium (the latter is used for synthetic conversion to 90% of the World’s heroine supply)
Palestine will not become a reality because the Palestinians refuse to negotiate as to their insistance that Jerusalem be the Capital of their state…That is the hold up….
They will not see reason….They are irrational….
** Let’s say Virginia decides to secede from the Union…they agree to stop terrorism…But ONLY IF THE HOLY CITY OF WASHINGTON D.C. becomes the capitial of their new state **
They recieve secret funding from all the other southern states and claim a like minded sympathy for the cause….The other southern states use the conflict as an exscuse to fight the IMPERIALIST SNOTTY YANKEES….They invent myths about the Yankees stealing Virginia and being aided by those evil devil Yankees…They declare an end to the rest of the union…
Yada yada yada….ad nauseum….You can not reason with irrational people….
Iran is very dangerous, and it’s a highly volatile situation.
Frankly, I agreed with Bush’s statements. I disagree with Obama and, now, the Democrats. I even disagreed with Hillary yesterday.
Want to see a president at his best for the country?
Look at their statements when they are a Lame Duck. They are nearly always very, very objective and on the mark.
No worse than Israel.
Read. You may learn more than the revisionists want you to know!
And no, I’m no “appeaser”, but I’m not blind to the truth, politics, and religion.
Oh, I agree, Chris. Israel has been, at least in the past, very aggressive and the source of many problems.
I’m actually very pro-Palestinian, and I think they have been nothing more than a flipping football.
Given the dire stories from some other parts of the world where mass genocide is taking place, I’m at least grateful that they enjoy constant monitoring by the world.
Otherwise, I have no doubt that these people would have been exterminated by one side or the other.
However, that doesn’t negate my statement. Iran is highly dangerous.
Any thought that’s not the case, I’m convinced, is naive.
This is a highly volatile situation.
The whole problem isn’t the religions itself. It’s politics. Dirty stinking politics.
I’m very sympathetic to the Palestinians. Some foreigner comes over and says, “Hey, man, this is my home now, BYE”, and takes it, I’ll kill the bastard(s). It’s that simple, this is my home, this is my country, and damn am I’m going to let some foreigner take it.
I have no horse in the Middle East race as my heritage doesn’t include it in my life, nor am I’m a Christian to worry about 44,000 Jews to convert (which is why Christian Zionists are so fiesty of protecting Jews, to even be their bodyguards) and other stuff. But I can relate on the country and property level, as everyone else in the world can, too.
Wouldn’t tolerate what Palestinians are going through even in this country. Like Blacks, they need their own self-respect back. Wish I was a magician to make it happen overnight, but that’ll continue the abuse — for both will need to find their own autonomy, themselves.
Chris…I suggest you read History…not palestinian propaganda.
Start with Gibbons….work your way up to the Crusades….and then work your way up to the 20th c….
There was no Palestinian Country….and the Zionist Movement began with Palestinian Jews who never left Palestine….They had been there since 70AD…..When the Nomads you speak of were not even residents of the country….BUT NOMADS….
Never tell a Traditional conservative to read history. Not only is it foolish, your pants will be on fire when a fat non-revisionist history book hits your fat behind! lololol
Now stop reading Zionist propaganda, yourself. BTW, I get THIS history not from Palestinians, but from the ultra-orthodox Jews themselves. Even they despise Zionism.
YOU HAVE JUST MADE MY POINT….And since when is a size 7 = to a fat ass….It would be real hard to climb scaffolding hauling paint and tool otherwise…You are a traditional conservative who knows nothing of history….Besides what ind of shit is that….RUMMY WAS A CONSERVATIVE…You want to live in the middle ages for a phony cause…go ahead…Just because you make an argument does not mean you can back it up…with facts….
** Most Ultra-Orhodox Jews are about as relevant to my argument as the Southern Baptist Evangeleicals looking for Jeeeezus to come to Armageddon….**
THEY ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE AND ARE A FRINGE……
Wrong. Bill Cosby is telling the Black community of how and why it won’t succeed. It’s not about race itself, it’s the mindset, the victim mindset and expecting to be paid to exploit it.
I live in a city that, even in it’s time and location, was always “progressive” towards Blacks (we had the largest Freeman community in the country, prior to the Civil War, too). During the turn of the century, the Black community was vibrant in a way Harlem up North was — with Black professional classes and establishments (they did it all, from growing the food to serving it to Black customers; schooling and trade training). They also established businesses, to this day still exist. Even better, families were families — Father, mother, sons and daughters, with a very strong church attendance.
In comes the world of intergration and “civil rights”. Projects; welfare; drug epidemic; crime and godless souls. There’s no more a Black iconic community, with hard working Blacks who knew what self-respect meant (I adore elderly Blacks, and spent many a day on their porches learning the history that no “modern” history records. No book needs to tell me about the “Black experience”, I goto the source), and a community that worked to better themselves despite oppression BY PULLING THEMSELVES UP ON THEIR OWN.
Everytime I see a “hip hop” lowlife, I see the downfall of a society that once had all the hallmarks of breaking the chains of oppression — and the pride to do it without bloodshed, either (how and why MLK, Jr appealed to MOST Blacks, even). They didn’t see race as an excuse, they went around roadblocks.
This is the same message Bill Crosby is addressing. That there’s more to being “Black” than being stereotypes, and living on the backs of others. It’s about uplifting a people by their own abilities, not hoping for hopeychangey, or threatening riots if they can’t get another handout.
I didn’t get the Bill Cosby part of his essay, either.
Frankly, I didn’t really get the Clinton part.
Bill never pandered to the victim thinking, as far as I could see. He supported many, many forward programs to help people below the poverty line.
His welfare programs, tweaked by my state…CA….are a huge success. We have a great true safety net for single mothers, but 3 years only.
But we back that up with terrific employer-inducements to hire single mothers part-time who are training for higher education.
It works.
And it beats the heck out of the old-style Democratic welfare state that truly did keep people in life-long poverty.
I think it’s the argument similar to ” Why did she stay with him after he beat the fuck out of her “…..It does not addess the issue of Domestic Violence….This is a logical fallacy…
The good professor is pointing to logical fallacies…
Argumentum ad hominem ( abusive ) = argument is directed not at the issue but the person…diversionary…
Argumentum ad hominem ( circumstancial ) = ignore the question of validity and instead accept the argument because of circumstances peculiar to the opponent….diversionary
Argumentum ad populum = appeal to emotion….manipulation
False Cause = causal connections are not supported by fact to prove the conclusion
Petitio prinipii ( begging the question ) = a premiss is logically irrelevant to proving or establishing the conclusion….
** Any of these might apply **
OK, I get it.
No ChrisXP…..I described techniques in argument….Yours is an oversimplification….and cynicism unworthy of Diogenes…a cheap shot…..Bad mood today ?
And I’m trying to explain to you, what you outlined IS politics.
Can’t put enough lipstick on the pig to make it another species!
But Blacks do have an argument that Bill Clinton didn’t have the same experience.
Bill Crosby, though, there’s no excuse.
But you can see how they’ll even diss Bill Crosby. The reason why is, it’s easier to be a victim and expect handouts and payback as the “solution”, than not being tithered to each.
The fear of the unknown is terrifying to people treated and brought up as children. There’s no safety need for failure, then.
specious argument….Also not based in fact…
Wen Pres. Clinton enacted Welfare Reform the ave. person on Welfare was A WHITE SINGLE MOTHER WITH AN AVE. OF 2.5 CHILDREN NOT RECIEVING CHILD SUPPORT AND UNEMPLOYED OR UNDEREMPLOYED WITH A HS DIPLOMA….
** The Culture of generational welfare you are alluding to was not pervasive in the stats….This is not GOOD TIMES…JEEEEEZUS ! **
Again, putting lipstick on a pig doesn’t change the species.
You haven’t lived in the South for long have you, WC? Just try to be a poor white and get project housing. You’ll be laughed at in your face for even trying, let alone face every stare in the room — you don’t qualify.
I love it with Northerns and Westerners have such a concept about welfare and all. They don’t see how it ruins a whole community, at a scale that’s the size of THEIR neighborhoods.
Come on down, WC. See it for yourself. See the self-segregation. The want to live that horrid life, and how it ruins self-respect. No more books, and talking points, see reality.
Gee ChrisXP….as I have repeatedly stated I am from Texas…
Born in San Antonio….Raised in Houston and Dallas….Lived in Philadelphia….Lived in Indianapolis….Now living in Dallas….
Although Texas is a rather peculiar region….it still qualifies for southern membership…I doubt you have any ACTUAL EXPERIENCE WITH EITHER POVERTY OR NEGOTIATING FEDERAL OR STATE ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS…
ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS IN THIS REGARD SEEM BASED ON ANECDOTAL AND SPURIOUS CONCLUSIOS OUT OF THE GOP HANDBOOK….
** YOU ALSO BETRAY A CLEAR AA PREJUDICE BY YOUR GROSS GENERALIZATIONS WITH REGARDS TO STATS ON WELFARE **
I have had experience….THIS AINT’ GOOD TIMES…Get a Grip
BY THE WAY YOUR EXPERTISE ON THE SOUTH IS SADLY LACKING AND IS OBVIOUSLY THAT OF WHAT WE REFER TO AS A LIBERAL TRANSPLANT….IN OTHERWORDS…YOU DON’T KNOW SHIT YANKEE !
BY THE WAY….CHRIS….SOUTHERNERS NEVER SAY LAME SHIT LIKE NORTHERNERS OR WESTERNERS….THEY ARE YANKEES !
TRY HANGING OUT WITH SOME REAL SOUTHERNERS…AA’S OR CRACKERS….SAME THING…WE DO NOT LIKE ELITIST YANKEES TREATING US LIKE A BUNCH OF IGNORANT HICKS OR AS IN TEXAS WE’D SAY SHITKICKERS AND PREACHIN ABUNCH OF HOOEY ABOUT CLEANIN UP OR BACKYARDS WHEN IT’S WORSE UP NORTH….
YANKEE = LIBERAL CARPETBAGGING ELITIST SNOB POLITICIAN AND OR JUST A PLAIN OL’ SNOB…DAMN STRAIGHT…LOL
Chris, that’s always been a subject that inerested me. I grew up in a nicely integrated area near L.A. In my first jobs we were all different races, etc. We worked to a common goal and socialized and there were no distinctions. We all hung out, dated and married each other, and were quite colorblind, I guess. I know it’s a tired phrase, but most of my best friends were black. This wasn’t that long ago, it was the 80s. Now, I don’t recognize my old neighborhood down there. The attitude has changed there, and it’s more segregated than ever.
I honestly don’t understand… I can’t understand how, in 20 years, the social structure disintegrated and what was once a community of positive young people working alongside me, to streets filled with young people that (by their dress, attitude, and language skills) would be unemployable by most standards. Was it the media and pop culture that glorified that? Was it MTV? (seriously) Is it simply economics? It’s a damn shame, either way.
Ever heard of the Rats in the Box theory ?
Blame the Ayers et al, for teaching how to be dependent on others (especially the State); and the Jeremiah, Jesse and Als, for justifying their existence.
Remove all three safety nets, and let the Black community swim on their own, they’ll no longer be afraid of the water; and they won’t be babies on the teet of “caregivers”.
And you know Ayers et al, Jeremiah, Jesse and Al (even the NAACP and the Urban League) will fight tooth and nail to make sure that never happens. For they have to justify their existence — tough having a REAL job, huh?
CHRISXP….Was Dickensian England a period of nostalgia for you….
I suppose FDR was an utter failure in your opinion ?
Talking about cheap shots, and ones that doesn’t even relate to the subject!
Last I knew about Charles Dickens, he was more interested in teaching “savages” a lesson, as no “Englishman would dare be a cannibal”. Last I knew about FDR, he allowed the extremination of Jews to continue, despite American Jews urging him to stop the slaughter.
But that’s other subjects and time to discuss.
You embarrass yourself….oh my….
He can be whatever he wants, but he will never connect with my kind.
I disagree – condemnation of Carter and his methods which include communication, conflict resolution and mediation in the Middle East are the best evidence for anti-Christianity. Also, your beliefs are irrevalent to what could be happening i.e. the geopolitical set of circumstances that favors anti-Christianity in the Middle East.
Look at it this way….How helpful would it be for St. Jimmy to have a chat with the Chechen Terrorists…St. Jimmy was wrong and they made a fool of him….I am not a NEO-CON….but it is ILLOGICAL TO ASSUME YOU CAN HAVE INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE WITH IRRATIONAL PEOPLE….
IT WAS A STUNT THAT ST. JIMMY PULLED THAT BACKFIRED…
I have a QUESTION FOR ST. JIMMY….DON’T YOU CARE ABOUT FL/MI…
ST. JIMMY WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT VOTER FRAUD IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY…
Like I said – if all the World’s leaders were accountable for their responsiblity re: peacebuilding then we might make progress. Carter and Carter Center is the model to work from but that means that Bush who have to give in to Carter. I really think that someone who wins the Nobel Prize should at least be afforded an attentive audience re: the details of his actions and, yes, the caveats as well because none of us are perfect – you know? – try, evaluate, try again…
St. Jimmy undercut his own crediblity when he compared Israel to South Africa in order to sell his book…It was a specious argument intent on inlammation and to what purpose….To sell a book…
I wonder what happened o Obama’s 50 or 57-59 state strategy? They are now stating that WV is not part of their general election strategy. The Obama campaign is starting to throw whole states under the bus and will probably throw Appalachia under too. .By some miracle they think they can win Ohio and Florida? Dream on .. not happening. I have lived in Ohio, Florida, and PA. Ohio and Florida will definitely go for McCain. Pa will be a toss-up. The margins for Clinton is the counties she won were huge…70/30 split. How is Obama going to over come that deficit? Michigan barely went for Kerry in 2004. Senator Obama’s comments about “Sweetie” were bad, but more importantly his refusal to sit with factory workers and answer their questions is going to hurt him. Working people are everywhere.
Obama’s ONE State strategy is unveiled!!
Obama believes he will win on ONE state and one state only!
Drum roll please…..
The State of Delusion.
heheheh! (sinister giggle)
The only conclusion that remotely comes close to reason is that they are banking on her supporters moving to him.
In spite of the exit polls…
In spite of the momentum she’s now showing…
In spite of the obvious problems the DNC is having in even raising money to host a convention…..
Ferarro was so dead-on, that I still think the Obama campaign owes her a deep apology.
The threat of “blood in the streets” has propelled this to a real disaster.
He can parade around, making much ado out of nothing all day long.
The fact is……he split the Democratic party so profoundly that it will take years, absolutely years, to heal.
I predict, my own take, is that it will never recover.
This next 4 years is when a true 3rd party will arise.
And it will be a true big tent.
And it will sweep the country.
It will not be built around a personality.
It will be built around principles.
The Democratic Party is dead.
Obama killed it.
sigh
gawd Annie that is so depressing
I hope you are wrong
I hope the SD’s come to their senses
I hope the black communities are waking up to their empty suit idol
I don’t expect the kids will ever wake up until they hit 30 so aside for a few smart ones like America Ferrera, etc, my own daughter too (thank GOD), aside from those……… the rest will have to find something else to occupy their imagination as that is all Mr. Hopey was ………. a momentary reaction to a monumental MESS created by ROVE and Company!!!
I hope we can hold it together. I don’t want to see the PUGS preening when the whole MESS started with them.
I didn’t mean to be depressing actually. I give Obama credit about the issue of bi-partisanship. I think he hit a true chord there. We are truly tired of it.
But I think what we’re tired of is the debate with the fringes of both parties.
I personally think the middle of us can talk.
We’ll not always agree, but I think the issue has been the Republicans were dominated by their far right….Christian nutcases…and the Democrats this year have been dominated by our far left…….progressives who hate their moms.
I KNOW there is a huge number of us who have been completely perplexed by the immaturity shown, the emotionalism, and whatever.
We have real problems. This is so not the arena to work out your mommy issues or your need for spiritual guidance.
This is politics.
I think a good solid moderate 3rd party is ripe to emerge.
And it would knock the ball out of the park.
We’ll argue with one another over real stuff……like capital gains tax hikes or the reality that a president really can’t effect great change on the economy….
We would have our battles.
But this emotionalism crap?
That would be for the nuts on the right or the left.
I’m ready for some commonsense. I have a spiritual life already, and it does not involve politics. I have an emotional life, too, and it doesn’t involve politics.
Politics should be politics.
I’m done with both parties in that regard.
“The only conclusion that remotely comes close to reason is that they are banking on her supporters moving to him.”
I think it more likely they are banking on the media conglomerates and Wall Street to defect from McCain to Obama.
I do agree, however, that “The Democratic Party is dead. Obama killed it.”
yeah i don’t understand how the dnc elders are falling for this whole axelrod theory that the map is going to change. yeah it might change in that if obama is the nominee it will look mostly red with maybe illinois going to obama only….
be realistic dnc folks, you have a winner in hillary right now with dependable dem strongholds and swing states. she is from my experience pulling in some of my girlfriends who are more moderate republicans, to vote for her, but the media never covers this crossover section of voters…
plus i am sure she will win arkansas and with her landslide so big in west virginia and it not being a caucus, well she’s the almost sure thing… i will never say sure thing, because we have learned in the last 2 years, there are no sure things, except that obama is inevitable as the titanic is unsinkable…ha
i can’t believe they buy so easily into this “fairytale” arguments by obamas folks. just doesn’t make sense to me. especially when obama is quick to write off states.
you may as well write off michigan and florida, and kentucky and west virginia. they aren’t going to buy it obama,
get over yourself already and go back to the senate and learn some real common sense strategies that the people will believe in, not the dnc elite.
the dnc aren’t your boss, the people are… you would think you would have learned this with having had a president who seems to think he is not beholden to the people or the polls this last 7 1/2 years…
man obama makes me so mad how audacious he is…
and now if hillary does come back to upset obama in oregon, it will be because of kennedy’s situation, not anything that hillary did to gain support there herself with the people… she is in touch and obama is growing increasingly out of touch with the people and reality.
come off your high horse buddy because people don’t like to be looked down on by their leaders, they want to be inspired by them – that their actions match their words… it is called integrity and obama has none…. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Check this out
Looks like politics as usual
So much for the change candidate
Obama Economic Controller
Is Skull And Bones Member
Austan ‘The Ghoul’ Goolsbee, Yale ‘91
http://www.rense.com/general80/web.htm
By Webster Tarpley
2-4-8
OBAMA’S TRIFECTA: FOREIGN POLICY LINE IS RUN BY TRILATERAL FOUNDER ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI -OBAMA”S WIFE LINKED TO COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
WASHINGTON DC — Barack Obama’s top economics adviser is a member of the super-secret Skull & Bones society of Yale University, of which George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and John Kerry are also members, reliable sources confirmed tonight. Goolsbee is widely reported to have told Obama not to back a compulsory freeze on home mortgage foreclosures to help the struggling middle class in the current depression crisis, as demanded by former candidate John Edwards. Hillary Clinton has advocated a one-year voluntary freeze on foreclosures. Obama has offered counselors to comfort mortgage victims as they are dispossessed, citing the ‘moral hazard’ of protecting the public interest from Wall Street sharks.
By adding the infamous Skull & Bones secret society to his campaign roster, Obama, who bills himself as the candidate of change and hope, has attained a prefect trifecta of oligarchical and financier establishment backing for his attempt to seize the nomination of the Democratic Party for 2008. Obama’s main overall image adviser and foreign policy adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the co-founder of David Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission, and the mastermind of the disastrous Carter administration. Obama’s wife Michelle is reputed to be closely linked to the Council on Foreign Relations. Behind the utopian platitudes dished up by the Illinois senator, the face of the Wall Street money elite comes into clearer and clearer focus.
George Will, in an October 2007 Washington Post column saluted Goolsbee’s “nuanced understanding” of traditional Democratic issues like globalization and income inequality; he “seems to be the sort of fellow — amiable, empirical, and reasonable–you would want at the elbow of a Democratic president, if such there must be,” wrote the arch-oligarchical apologist Will.
From Wikipedia: ‘Austan D. Goolsbee is an economist and is currently the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. He is also a Research Fellow at the American Bar Foundation[1], Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a member of the Panel of Economic Advisors to the Congressional Budget Office. He has been Barack Obama’s economic advisor since Obama’s successful U.S. Senate campaign in Illinois. He is the lead economic advisor to the 2008 Obama presidential campaign.’
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I’m not worried about Skull and Crossbones, as the real power brokers with the power to install a king. That’s more scary than a Masonic society, which didn’t hurt us, since our Founders were members of them.
To go down that route, it’ll mean any soriety/fraternity is some “boogeyman”. Do you really want to go down that road?
Skull and Bones is not a “fraternity” by any standard. Bush and Kerry are S&K. I learned a lot about it during the 2004 primary, when I was solidly against Kerry… and before that.. Bush. Hmmm. Kerry, Bush, Obama, all connected to S&K.
This is included in Tarpley’s book advertised on this website entitled OBAMA: The Postmodern Coup. The book as it preface states is a critique of Obama not from the right, but from the left. It shows how privatized intelligence operatives are essentially behind what Tarpley states is a “left-CIA” “Color Revolution Coup” against the Democratic Party and the Untied States.
Economically Obama is a fascist. Remember fascism needs a popular movement in order to succeed and would invariably come from an operation, a virus infected into the working classes and the poor by various elites.
Few know the real story of the Weather Underground which was a cynical operation designed to sow chaos amongst legitimate political organization against the Vietnam War. The Weather Underground was set up by the CIA through Foundation Funding, Rockefeller, Ford etc to create the conditions of violence and despair that would be the perfect foil for a reactionary backlash. Of Course Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn and the gang now have cushy University jobs and are part of the scene around the Brzezinski catamite Obama, who may well be Ayer’s and Wright’s boy as well.
There are many connections between Rev. Wright and the Ford Foundation, as Obama has many connections to Ford Foundation. Black Liberation theolology is a counterpart to the sickness of the Manson Family revering Weather Underground of whom Bernadine Dorn not only publicly praised but launched what was know as the fork salute, in solidarity to the bizarre Manson blood feast that was to fuel race war. It is race war that Obama become the foil for. It is race war that seeths from the forked tongue of Rev. Wright. yes the Ford Foundation had a hand in putting together Black Liberation Theology, a cess pool of impotent anger designed to keep the working classes, black and white from working together against a common enemy.
Instead what we have is a false unity between black’s and rich whites against political solutions that would bring forth a reawakening of the policies of FDR to deal with this vast economic crisis.
Obama is the smiling face of fascism. Who best to tell blacks to tighten their belts, sacrifice, etc, then this ho.
BINGO….and who wants to repeat the recent history of El Salvador or Nicaragua here….Except the Maxist Classes in Struggle are defined by race….
Check this out
Looks like politics as usual
So much for the change candidate
Obama Economic Controller
Is Skull And Bones Member
Austan ‘The Ghoul’ Goolsbee, Yale ‘91
http://www.rense.com/general80/web.htm
By Webster Tarpley
2-4-8
OBAMA’S TRIFECTA: FOREIGN POLICY LINE IS RUN BY TRILATERAL FOUNDER ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI -OBAMA”S WIFE LINKED TO COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
WASHINGTON DC — Barack Obama’s top economics adviser is a member of the super-secret Skull & Bones society of Yale University, of which George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and John Kerry are also members, reliable sources confirmed tonight. Goolsbee is widely reported to have told Obama not to back a compulsory freeze on home mortgage foreclosures to help the struggling middle class in the current depression crisis, as demanded by former candidate John Edwards. Hillary Clinton has advocated a one-year voluntary freeze on foreclosures. Obama has offered counselors to comfort mortgage victims as they are dispossessed, citing the ‘moral hazard’ of protecting the public interest from Wall Street sharks.
By adding the infamous Skull & Bones secret society to his campaign roster, Obama, who bills himself as the candidate of change and hope, has attained a prefect trifecta of oligarchical and financier establishment backing for his attempt to seize the nomination of the Democratic Party for 2008. Obama’s main overall image adviser and foreign policy adviser is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the co-founder of David Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission, and the mastermind of the disastrous Carter administration. Obama’s wife Michelle is reputed to be closely linked to the Council on Foreign Relations. Behind the utopian platitudes dished up by the Illinois senator, the face of the Wall Street money elite comes into clearer and clearer focus.
George Will, in an October 2007 Washington Post column saluted Goolsbee’s “nuanced understanding” of traditional Democratic issues like globalization and income inequality; he “seems to be the sort of fellow — amiable, empirical, and reasonable–you would want at the elbow of a Democratic president, if such there must be,” wrote the arch-oligarchical apologist Will.
From Wikipedia: ‘Austan D. Goolsbee is an economist and is currently the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business. He is also a Research Fellow at the American Bar Foundation[1], Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a member of the Panel of Economic Advisors to the Congressional Budget Office. He has been Barack Obama’s economic advisor since Obama’s successful U.S. Senate campaign in Illinois. He is the lead economic advisor to the 2008 Obama presidential campaign.’
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Rense…always take them with a grain of salt..conspiracies abound everywhere. Not that couldn’t be some truth there.
No, actaully, Goelsbee is S&K, I researched it early on because I was curious if Obama had S&K people on his team (which he does.) It’s something you’d want to read up on… I’ve never visited Rense, but I’ve done the research. I did it because I became suspicious of Kerry’s sudden love for Obama, even though his own State went to Clinton.
Rense also says the holocaust didn’t happen. Should we take him at his word on that subject too?
Webster Tarpley wrote that. I don’t know who he is but Rense did not write it. And I don’t see anyone taking Rense on his word here.
Hmmm…Webster Tarpley. CONSIDER THE SOURCE:
He maintains that the events of 9/11 were engineered by the US military industrial complex, and that a rogue undergound of independent , privatized military operatives are responsible. Maybe Larry Johnson agrees with him?
Tremblay was Political operative and spokesman for the LaRouche movement and is obsessed with Brzezinski, and by consequently Obama.
As for CFR: has nothing to do with Skull and Bones. Both Clintons are members of CFR, so is anyone in both parties and the media, interested in Foreign policy.
I attended several presentations by speakers, and subscribe to Foreign Affairs, which is their publication.
It’s a good thing that Michelle Obama is interested and knowledgeable about Foreign Affairs.
I am not a Dispensationalist….Therefore, I do not beleive that God is real estate developer dictating to the faithful to have wars over imaginary boundaries in His name for His amusement.
If we remove that pseudo-theology from all of our thinking..the way to peace would be easier. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon.
As we’ll all be dead, as there’s nothing to inspire beyond us (the reason religion exists — when times are bad, to look upon something larger than ourselves, to pull us through — it’s called FAITH for a reason).
I’m a Deist, and the whole religion/faith question is debated constantly, but to deny a Creator for political expediency, is madness. For we all look to SOMETHING better than us — just look at politics itself, a few leading the many — to get us through life.
That’s mankind. That’s how we became more than hunter-gathers. That’s how we created civilizations, and continue through the pain to upkeep them.
And it has been tested by time to show it can work. New ‘ists/’ians/’isms have not.
I am not denying a creator whatsoever. I am denying our concept that a creator is simply a glorified real estate developer, doling out parcels of land, encouraging the faithful to fight over these imaginary boundaries for His amusement.
I am clueless. What does your post mean?
It sounds interesting.
Aside from the anti-Clinton hackery, the assessment of Obama as a conman is correct. Aren’t there better summations of the reasons Obama is unelectable suitable for posting?
That, “my friends” is, IMHO, the singularly best essay I have read during the course of this long and costly campaign season (regarding Obama).
“Spot on” as the Brits would say…or “Good on ya” if you’re an Aussie!
Censorship from this “liberal” site?
My my my, I’m soooo surprised!
Who said this is a liberal site? And I don’t see anyone getting censored. Try notching up your anti paranoia medication? FYI this is a pro-Hillary blog and there are conservative Republicans posting here and they are welcome to do so. The conservative Republicans respect Hillary for standing up for herself and her country. What have you done?
When you start investigating Obama’s past, you keep coming in contact with Pakistanis friends and Muslim roommates in NY and Occidental. Visits to Pakistan, and you don’t run into any women??? Two guys walking a dog on the upper W. side…There is one guy, a Pakistani named Siddiqi, who knew Obama in Occidental and who knew him at Columbia. He is described as a druggie. His roommate in Occidental was a wealthy Pakistani (muslim?), Imad Husain, whom Obama went for three weeks to Pakistan. I just have to wonder about his acquaintences. Did Obama have the money to go on this trip? Or did the wealthy friends pay? Alot of guys…where are the girls? I have gay guy friends and straight guy friends. Obama’s experiences most parallel the gay friends. One noted he was known for wearing puka bead necklaces and really short shorts. How many of your straight friends are known for that fashion statement in the early eighties? And the upper W side had a lot of gays back then. I am not saying being gay is bad, (I am gay and I know of what I speak) but it is a real problem if he is a closeted gay man trying to be President who has a thing for Pakistani Muslim men. Talk about a ticking bomb! Haven’t we had enough problems with an administration with closeted gays proving their manhood. This, to me accounts for his personality problems. His attempts to fit in. To deny so much of himself. Both the white part and the “gay” part. His hope and change. His Donnie McGlurkin tour(the gay guy who changed. The refusal to be photographed with Gavin Newsome. Maybe Obama is hoping he has changed too.
Someone should just come right and ask him if he has had sex with other men. I have thought that he might be gay for some time now. It’s no big deal to me if he is gay but we better not find out in October.
I really think he hates himself, and that is being played out in front of the world. BO owes it to himself to come to terms with who he is by getting some serious therapy. But he needs to do it ON HIS OWN TIME AND WITH HIS OWN DIME.
So how did the Rose Law Firm billing records end up in Hillary’s personal bookroom at the White House WITH HER FINGERPRINTS ON THEM?
This question is never going away.
That’s the best you got? It’s old news and did that stop her from being elected Senator twice now? Obama’s problems are fresh and ripe for the picking.
Found this:
Gonna ppst it every chance I get.
Have you heard that Ted Kennedy might have had a stroke?
Betty….yes, Ted was rushed to the hospital with what’s now being described as “stroke-like” symptoms.
Not that we all didn’t see this coming, given his lifestyle, but it is still sad.
I so disagree with him in this year, but he’s done a lot for the good of the country.
That is a great quote.
I really don’t care if he’s had a stoke or if he drops dead today. I lost any respect or admiration for him when he had his little tantrum, stabbed Hillary in the back and threw his support to Obama. He’s done everything he could to destroy Hillary’s campaign and push an empty suit of a snake-oil salesman on the citizens of this country.
Agree with you Jes….Like others they put themselves above the interests of the party….INEXSCUSABLE…
i love this quote above, awesome. this explains it all rather nicely why i don’t like him and would never vote for him ever. i would not even want him to mow my lawn.
A good article that articulates many of my feelings on the subject.
Why I’m Turning Down Obama
http://wilknetwork.com:80/Why-I-m-Turning-Down-Obama/2202399
America has turned him down. We have to wait for the DNC to catch up with the rest of us and they will. We have until August to make our case. And we have a great case both pro Hillary and anti Obama.
Hate-filled Michelle Obama is crystal-clear:”Gimme Somethin”!
40 years of forced diversity and affirmative action costing billions of dollars to taxpayers and businesses and this is the end result?! MORE!
Michelle Obama was given the finest degrees with inferior grades and test scores. Barack was a legacy. Why did these two ingrates get so much to care so little?
I didn’t want the U.S. to go to Iraq because we can’t police our own cities.
Too many inner city youth are illiterate – no matter how much money is given to their schools.
Don’t expect decency or leadership from the Obamas.
Barack and Michelle are corrupt to the core and available to the highest bidder, which poses an unacceptable security risk.
It is inevitable that Hillary Clinton will eventually be forced to answer that question. It goes straight to her credibility, character and suitability for the office of president.
And, tragically, her vote FOR BUSH’S WAR was one of pure political calculation and proves her lack of clear judgment. And evidently for most voters, disqualifies her for serious consideration for president.
I trust this will all be met with more deflection, obsfuscation and denial by No Quarter.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/arkansas/docs/recs.htmlhttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980DE4D81239F935A35752C0A960958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=9&num=11563
You know what? Here’s the thing. Most Americans are moderate, not radical liberals. I am on the liberal side but I’m moderate. And I don’t have a problem with Hillary voting for the war. We were a heated, emotional country after 9/11 and only a small number of vocal people opposed the war initially.
At this time, I would suggest that the majority of Americans are not concerned over Iraq so much as they are concerned over their homes, their jobs, and their healthcare.
You are welcome to base your hatred of Hillary on one vote, like many Obama fans do, but that’s shortsighted.
Hillary fans, on the other hand, base their mistrust of Obama on deeper issues, such as his connection with a slumlord for 20 years.
It doesn’t matter that Obama voted against the war when he was willing to defend a man who allowed poor people to live in freezing slums in Chicago winters.
but he did not have to vote against the war cause he wasn’t in the senate at the time. a speech doesn’t make for a vote. and again if all he has are speeches and no actions, then why would i want to hire him for president.
i would want someone who actually has real stuff on their resume and great references, not someone with a resume filled with only their college education and their mission statement section while their references are so far shady characters…
i don’t mind that hillary voted for the war because on things like war attitudes change. and also the lies came out later that there was no wmd, not before the vote. but lastly she was the senator of new york the city that was attacked on 9/11… and eventhough we all know that that had nothing to do with iraq, bush had a manipulative way of tieing the two together so that clinton’s constituency would have mobbed her if she had voted against it… yet again proving that she actually listens to the people she represents… and i think that it is great that she has changed her mind on it because it shows that she can change and that she is not stubborn like our current president.
and the thing that irks me most is that people forget that at that moment in time you were unpatriotic if you were against the war… they stopped playing your albums if you were against the war… it was quite a mob mentality that you basically had to hide the fact that you didn’t want the us to be there.
“Not concerned over Iraq?” Wow. How convenient for you. Tell that to the service members and their families. You do realize that if Hillary had voted against the war, there would have been no room for a Barack Obama? Chew on that.
Look you know as well as I that the Clintons have a long and pretty gross history, much of which the Republicans are very anxious to rehash should she actually become the Democratic nominee. They can’t wait to destroy the Clinton’s. Barack’s nomination denies them that easy opportunity.
I don’t hate the Clintons, I reserve that for the Republicans who have nearly destroyed this country in the last 8 years. “Homes?” “Jobs?” “Healthcare?” They’ve done wonders there huh?
No. I hate their behavior these past few months which has been replete with racist code for Obama and his supporters. All undeniably a matter of public record.
I voted for Bill Clinton twice. He must take a large share of the responsibility for Hillary’s down-fall. I certainly never would have believed he was capable of the low-down dirty tricks he tried to play on Obama. It was like I was seeing him for the first time and really didn’t like what I saw. I will never vote for a Clinton again.
The anti-Obama rhetoric the country is hearing from so-called Democrats such as yourselves has been simply and literally unbelievable. You have really over-played your hand by portraying an Obama that doesn’t exist. Serious strategic error there.
Americans aren’t buying that Obama is a radical closet Muslim who hates white people. No amount of the use of buzzwords and intentionally taking quotes from his books completely out of context is going to change that. That’s all obviously convenient cover for your deep racial hangups. It’s not going to work for you, and it surely isn’t going to work for the Republicans.
Shall we look with as jaundiced an eye at all of Hillary’s contacts and acquantances for the past 25 years and hold her responsible for all of their comments, positions and foibles? As you well know, there’s more than enough material there to finish her career once and for all. It may yet happen. The Clinton machines screens are slowly but surely rusting away.
It would be tragic if the Democrats chances in November are sabotaged by fellow “Democrats” such as yourselves.
Get over your fear and loathing of the black man already. Show some real faith in your country. Time for a new paradigm. Barack will show the way.
Oh.. we’re racist because we don’t choose Obama.
So.. tell me. Did you vote for Jesse Jackson, Alan Keyes, or Al Sharpton, for president? Did you donate time and money to them? If Colin Powell was running would you donate time and money and troll the blogs to push him? No??
You’re such a racist!! I mean, surely if you don’t support anyone of color for president, then you have to be a total racist. Right?
What? Oh.. you don’t agree with their politics? Or maybe you don’t feel they’d be a good choice? Oh, okay, because for a minute there, I thought you were racist for not supporting every black candidate that has ever run for president, regardless of their record, ideology, or character.
Get it?
All I’m looking for is some actual rationale for the deep anger and hatred for Obama evident on this site.
I mean beyond the fact that the American people have chosen him over Hillary so far that is.
For me and others supporting him. the reason is obvious. His thoughtfulness, his proven leadership qualities and his character are simply more appealing and convincing than Hillary’s.
All one gets from this site is intentional and obvious misrepresentation and gross caricature of Obama. And anger.
That leaves one with the conclusion that it is the man’s race that is inciting such irrational rage.
Look, he’s beaten the Clinton machine. How many can say that?
I do not hate Obama. I simply believe that Hillary is the most comptent person to lead us.
I prefer her plans, her tone and I respect her judgment (and have serious questions about his).
That does not transalte into hatred, just resolve.
“Winning” is not the same as having WON. Obama did very well early on (to his credit) but he has stumbled badly since. That is not my fault. It is not Hillary’s fault.
Please don’t stereotype people as Obama-haters.
Where was Hillary’s judgment when she followed Bush into Iraq?
I’ll say it again because I don’t think you’re grasping how ultimately damaging that vote was for her.
If she had voted against this war, there would’ve been no room for a Barack Obama.
We should be grateful that Democrats have chosen the REAL anti-Bush candidate in Barack Obama. I know I am.
You single issue activists are leading us down the path to another humiliating defeat!
I am neither single-issue nor an activist. I just know a winner when I see one.
I notice you folks keep looking for an easy way to pigeon-hole, marginalize and dismiss anybody who doesn’t share your emotional devotion to Hillary.
That it is naive and a well-trodden path to defeat my friend.
whatever, even obama has said that if he was actually in the senate at the time, he is not sure how he would have voted… his plagiarized speeches mean crap… plus he always votes to continue to fund the war… so the iraq war thing is over.. so move on with your arguments. we’re there, us hillary folks accept that minds have been changed towards the war since then and we have found out about the bush lies. plus bush took advantage of the passage of the vote by not having a good plan to begin with in eventually getting us out…
The man launched his political career from the house an unrepentant domestic terrorist (William Ayers). There’s reason enough to hate him.
also if obama is actually having to pay bloggers than they must not be inspired enough to do blogging without getting paid, or these bloggers are just greedy.
Perhaps you missed last Tuesday’s primary. Most American’s understand that Obama does not have their best interests at heart.
And your cheap, racist accusations are offensive. Grow up!
“Most American’s understand that Obama does not have their best interests at heart.”
So if really believe that then prove it or it’s just empty rhetoric.
well, let’s just say that so far 75% of americans have chosen Hillary and the republicans over obama, so that would mean that only 25% of america thinks that obama has their best interests at heart… like you obama folks always say, “do the math”…
You appear to be one of the many people who seem to blame Hillary for Bill Clinton’s actions.
Although you have a well thought-out post, much of what you have written is your opinion, and nothing more.
I want to point respond to a couple of your opinions. First, there is a large percentage of Americans who still question Barack’s ties to Islam. I, for one, think that his “Christian” beliefs are contrived, and that if he felt that a belief in atheism was what he needed to get himself elected, he would be an atheist before this day was out. Then again, this is just my OPINION.
Second, Barack Obama was the true race baiter in this campaign.
Third, you don’t speak for me when it comes to my views about black men or the black race. You seem to know very little about why people will not be voting for Barack Obama. You assume incorrectly that it is all about his race. Your attempt at guilting people to vote for someone based solely on his race will fail. It amazes me that someone as obviously intelligent as yourself can paint anyone who does not agree with you has a racist who fears and loathes black men.
You deride “so-called Democrats” for questioning Barack Obama, but then you proceed to do the same thing with Hillary Clinton. This is just another sign of the hyprocrisy coming from Barack Obama and his supporters. Hillary is required to have her hands tied behind her back, and to walk on egg shells when it comes to confronting Barack’s campaign propaganda. She has put up with a lot of garbage, and finally, she has found herself and it is obvious that many Americans like what they see. As for Obama, his time has peaked on super Tuesday.
I am a proud Democrat who will not vote for the faux Democrat Barack Obama. You need to grasp the reality of real Democrats voting Republican in the general election because you will be even more disappointed on election day.
By the way, what makes you any more of a Democrat than anyone else? The last time I checked, I lived in a republic that allows me to vote my conscience regardless of my party affiliation.
“You seem to know very little about why people will not be voting for Barack Obama.”
Well I’m still waiting for somebody around here to enlighten me with something like facts, not just buzzwords and defensive emotion.
And you are obviously more comfortable than I second-guessing another persons statement of faith and religious affiliation. I’ll take the man at his word on that. Besides religion has no place in this country as a test for elective office. Surely you remember that from civics?
well said, we can vote for whoever we want for whatever reason… we do not have to fall in line because a party tells us too. we are americans first.
My heart is all aflutter! You are so seductive. How could I possibly resist such sweet talk?
This affirms my opinion that Obama LIKES being the mystery man. It’s no accident no one really knows diddley about this clown.
MSNBC BLACKOUT THE DAY THEY SAY OBAMA’S THE WINNER.I HEARD THAT A BLACKOUT FOREVER ON MSNBC MSN AND TODAY SHOW ALL THE SHOWS THAT’S CONNECTED WITH MSNBC.
THEY BLACKED SEN.HILLARY CLINTON OUT USEING THEIR UNFAIR ATTACKS.I HEARD THAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HIT THEM BACK WHERE IT HURTS!THE MEDIA LOSE RATING
IT’S NOT JUST NO OBAMA NOW.IT AS WELL NO MSNBC WE THE PEOPLE VOTED THEM OFF.
I AM IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE DAY OF THE WINNER DECLARED.THE DAY THE TV WILL SHUT OBAMA’S FACE OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND SHUT OUT OF OUR TV SETS.MSNBC WILL LOSE THIER RATEING AS WE MAY HAVE LOST THE CHANCE OF OUR COUNTRY TO BECOME A BETTER PLACE AND THE BEST CANDIDATE THERE IS HILLARY!
SO YES I agrees to shut them off forever. does anyone else?
yeah everyday i am like, what the hell happened to these people. they used to seem fair and unbiased… but something happened… did murdoch buy that family of stations?
MSNBSee Ya Never SUCKS! It’s just UGLY! Mr. Potato Head and Fag Hag Chrissy creep me out.
Does anyone believe that Barry wears the pants in his family? And small wonder he’s such a woman hater. His mother was an international tramp.
And now he’s waking up in the same mansion with Michelle? It’s like a horror movie for a he-man much less a wuss like him.
He probably wants the White House because there are more closets to hide in.
Wow Samantha now there’s a thoughtful post to be proud of!
I’ve seen a huge influx of those types of posters lately… I can only imagine they are either trolls that are trying to see if any Hillary supporters would take the bait (no, we won’t, because we don’t agree with those outrageously nasty attacks), or 15 year olds that are jumping into the fray with the self-control of a baby rattlesnake.
So have at it… cuz you wont’ find anyone here agreeing with those posts. (but you can be damn sure they’ll show up elsewhere on the internet attributed to a “Hillary supporter” on NQ, or quoted here with an indignant pro Obama post. (that’s what makes me think they’re fake to begin with.)
I’m not into hate. I don’t believe that Obama has the experience or judgment to do the job. His background and associates concern me. No one really knows what he’s all about, and the NLP-on-steroids messages that Axelrod and his team of media mindfuckers creep me out. But… I have no hate in my heart for either of the Obamas. I cringe when I see those posts…
Talk about self-control Catriley, even a cursory look around here shows a site full of irrational screaming kids full of anger and fear. Quite palpable.
Yes, the Obama trolls are like that.
plus he has to pay them… what’s wrong with that picture… isn’t he supposed to be all inspiring without money being thrown around.. hillary would never have to pay bloggers to go on all these different posts and infact we donate to her, because she still inspires us and we admire her fight more everyday…
How lofty of you losers! While both of you go on spouting the same shit that others covered 4 months ago others will be zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Keeulay
I won’t vote for Obama because he said he dossn’t need my vote. I’m a boomer-aged over-educated female from a steelmaking community who had to leave home and family to make a living. Now he tells me I’m bitter and I cling to my religion and I fear anyone who is not like me? I’m sorry. He doesn’t get to go there. NOT THIS TIME! I spent my life with people not like me trying to teach their children to think for themselves and to make their lives better through education. His arguments don’t fly with me, and I’ve never heard or seen him lead one thing except the parade to the money trough!
An interesting post by Dr. Reed, who has close hand knowledge of Obama.
I disagree on a couple of points. First, Reed plays the far left game of cherry picking Clinton failures in order to descredit the finest governing record of our time. And he uses a vague description of Bill’s supposed racial politics. Please.
Then he says Hillary can’t win against McCain. Double please. Hasn’t he noticed the ton of political capital we have just now? Even Obama might win the ge.
The problem is Obama’s ignorance and inexperience. He’s wasted capital already with Wright and BitterGate. He would waste more in office with the string of far left cliches he’s been reciting. And he has no grasp of policy, unless ruining the Clinton policies of healthcare reform and bipartisanship and spouting a liberal wish are valid qualifications.
This is a precious moment of opportunity for the party, and we can’t afford to waste it on a clueless poser with a bag of rhetorical tricks.
http://a-civilife.blogspot.com
OMG, Adolph Reed was my professor at another university!!! Unless he’s changed (unlikely, as this was just a few years back), Adolph is very interested in the (so-called obsolete) working class. Although he does not touch on the subject of class in that article, I can see it informing his choice to not support Obama. After all, he understands the injustices of race as having at least something to do with class; the intersection of race and class has informed some of Adolph’s writings from a few years back.
Adolph and I had a disagreement on the nature and role of trade unions, with his opinion more nuanced than mine (I was a first year grad student then). But for the most part I respect his opinions on a range of subjects. Good to know he’s not jumped on the bandwagon like so many of his colleagues in academia.
“Obama’s campaign has been very clever in carving out a strategy to amass Democratic delegate votes, but its … built largely on victories in states that no Democrat will win in November—that will fall apart under Republican pressure.”
“And then where will we be?”
Exactly.
Or to offer a reply, We will, increasingly surrounded, still be fighting the pushers of the Anglo-Dutch oligarcial system, who regard us (and their minions, even) as cattle to be herded and slaughtered at their insane whim.
Had FDR lived some years longer, we could have cornered them through governmental regulation and a developed world where people could see their evil for what it is.
They sure don’t want the Clinton family in the White House–too much chance things will get “out of control.”
How many people know that there were at least two assassination/coup attempts against FDR? The first shot and killed a local politician on the stage with him (between the election and his inauguration, if memory serves). The second being the more widely known exposure of the plot to overthrow Roosevelt by General Smedley Butler.
They will stop at nothing. They can, however, be contained through the application of wise policies. That is what our American System was intended to do.
Send these scum back to running casinos and investment houses. And tax them well.
“They sure don’t want the Clinton family in the White House-too much chance things will get “out of control.”
There you have given the best reason why an Obama/Clinton ticket is not going to happen. Barack is too smart to get mixed up with the two of them. They brings – things – nasty things – out in each other. And I have no doubt that Bill would inevitably do something to sabotage Obama for beating Hillary. Consciously or not. It would happen. Bill Clinton is NOT to be trusted anywhere near the WH again.
No way. Hillary alone? Maybe. But not with Bill.
Besides, Barack doesn’t need them a whit. You guys need to move on already. Hillary has. Notice?
Hillary has never expressed interest in the VP position.
That was all the unity people talk.
In a Pew poll released back last November,Bill Cosby was cited as a “good influence on the black community” by 85% of the respondents. Black respondents. Sorry.
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October 28, 2008
The Great Obama Swindle of 2008
Raymond Kraft
PART ONE
OBAMA: THE ILLEGAL ALIEN
I have become 100% convinced, to a moral certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Barack Obama is not only not a “natural born citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution to be president, but that he was not even born in the USA, not born in Hawaii, probably in Kenya, never naturalized. If he is elected, he will be the UnConstitutional President from the moment he takes the oath of office, the first president who is not a citizen of the United States.
Why I am so sure?
I was not convinced by the lawsuits filed by Philip Berg, Andy Martin, Jerome Corsi, and others seeking disclosure of Obama’s birth certificate. I was not convinced by the books and articles that now abound contesting Obama’s origins. I was convinced by the behavior of Barack Obama and his lawyers, asking the governor of Hawaii to seal Obama’s birth certificate so it could not be seen, by anyone, and by the behavior of Barack Obama and his lawyers, sealing his records at Columbia University and Harvard Law. Barack Obama is hiding himself from America. And he wants to be POTUS, and Commander-in-Chief.
In the litigation business, one quickly learns that if somebody has a document that will be good for them, they can’t wait to give it to you. And if somebody has a document that will hurt them, they’ll be tap dancing faster than Richard Gere in Chicago to keep you from getting it.
Obama is tap dancing.
If I were Obama’s lawyers, and if there was a good, authentic, birth certificate that proved Barack Obama’s birth in Hawaii, I would tell him to instruct the Hawaiian Department of Health to provide a certified copy to every journalist who asked about it, to the Courts and plaintiffs in all the lawsuits, and to make the original available for inspection by any expert forensic document examiner any litigant or news agency engaged to examine the birth certificate for authenticity. I would tell him to come clean, and end the speculation. And I would tell him that the speculation could cost him the election.
But that’s not what Obama’s lawyers are doing, they’re filling motions for summary judgment, not on the merits of the case, but on “technicalities,” at least in the Berg case, arguing that Citizens, voters, do not have standing to enforce the United States Constitution, and at least one judge, Richard Barclay Surrick, has agreed.
But what Obama and his lawyers and the Democrat National Committee (DNC) are not doing is being open and honest with America. They’re tap dancing faster than Richard Gere in Chicago. So we are forced to this conclusion as a matter of logical necessity:
1. If Barack Obama could produce a good birth certificate that would verify his status as a “natural born citizen,” he would. Failing to do so can only hurt him. Failing to do so can cost him the election.
2. He hasn’t, and is doing all possible not to.
3. Therefore, we can only conclude that he can’t, and that his birth certificate, if it exists at all, is either altered, forged, or shows him born outside the U.S. We have to conclude that producing his birth certificate, if he can, will prove he is not eligible to be president, not a natural born citizen, or not a citizen at all. We can only conclude that Obama and his lawyers know that producing his birth records will hurt him even more than not producing them.
Now, I could be wrong. Barack Obama can prove me wrong by producing a good birth certificate. But he hasn’t. Will he? Can he?
PART TWO
NO “STANDING” TO SUE?
In the case of Berg v. Obama, US Federal Judge Richard Barclay Surrick agreed with Obama’s lawyers and ruled that Berg, as a citizen, as a voter, has no “standing” to enforce the United States Constitution. I have read that other agencies have asserted that only another presidential candidate has standing to sue respecting the qualifications of a candidate, presumably because, arguendo, only another presidential candidate could be injured (lose an election) as a result of a non-qualified candidate on the ballot.
This may be the most patently absurd, illogical, incomprehensible, astonishing, mind-boggling, and utterly stupid argument I have ever heard in my life – and from a Federal Judge, at that. And if I didn’t make myself perfectly clear, let me know and I’ll try again.
Let’s do the analysis.
1. The U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT between The People, The States, and The United States, the federal government, that defines and limits the role of the federal government, and the rights of the States and The People, and, among other things, defines and limits the qualifications for president, i.e., that the president must be over the age of 35 years, and must be a natural born citizen.
2. Any party to a CONTRACT has standing to enforce it. This is as basic as it gets. Contract Law 101. First week of law school stuff. And it seems that lawyers and judges all over the country have forgotten all about it. Also, the Constitution was intended to benefit all American citizens, We, The People, and in basic contract law the intended beneficiaries of a CONTRACT, i.e., us, also have standing to enforce it.
3. If We, The People, do not have standing to enforce the CONTRACT, the U.S. Constitution, then it is unenforceable, and if it is unenforceable it is just a historic curiosity that means nothing. It’s just an old piece of parchment. But that was not the intent, and to give intent to the CONTRACT it must be enforceable by its parties and beneficiaries.
4. We, The People, have standing under the First Amendment “to petition the government for redress of grievances.” If we have a grievance that a non-citizen, illegal alien, is running for president, I think the First Amendment unequivocally gives every American citizen standing to sue the government to redress that grievance and enforce the Constitution.
I think Judge Richard Barclay Surrick is dead wrong, illogically wrong, irrationally wrong, legally wrong, I think his legal analysis of this issue, in legalese, stinks.
PART THREE
THE DUTY OF CONGRESS
Article II, Section 1, requires that upon taking office the President of the United States shall take the following oath:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of the President of the
United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution
of the United States.”
Article VI, Clause 3, requires that Senators and Representatives requires:
“The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution . . .”
Members of Congress take this oath:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
Having taken this oath, Sen. Barack Obama has violated his oath of office if he is refusing to disclose a birth certificate that proves his candidacy for president is unconstitutional, and I believe this is a mandatory basis for his impeachment.
Having taken these oaths, the President, the Vice President (an executive officer of the United States), every member of the Senate and House, every member of every State legislature, and every executive and judicial officers of the United States and of each State, has a mandatory duty per Article VI Clause 3 of the US Constitution to “support and defend” the Constitution, and that would necessarily include taking whatever action is necessary to assure that no person who does not meet the Constitutional requirement of “natural born citizen” ever becomes President.
And every Federal Judge, and every Justice of the Supreme Court, having taken this oath, also have a mandatory duty to “protect and defend” the Constitution by doing whatever is necessary to assure that no person who does not meet the Constitutional requirement of “natural born citizen” ever becomes President. Indeed, I believe that the Supreme Court has a sua sponte duty to resolve this dispute by ordering, on its own initiative, the immediate production of all of Obama’s birth records in order to confirm his place of birth, and prevent the election of an UnConstitutional President. So far, all Justices of the Supreme Court have failed this mandatory duty.
So far, the President, the Vice President, every member of Congress, Democrats and Republicans alike, ever Federal Judge and Justice, every member of every State legislature, and every governor, have failed in this duty. They have all failed to fulfill their oaths of office. Every one. They must all demand that Sen. Barack Obama either (a) produce a good birth certificate proving his status as a “natural born citizen,” or (b) withdraw his candidacy before November 4th.
All those who do not should be impeached for having failed their oath of office.
PART FOUR
THE GREATEST SWINDLE IN HISTORY
If Senator Barack Hussein Obama cannot prove that he is a “natural born citizen,” then Obama, the Democrat National Committee, the Democrats in the Senate and House who support him, and others such as former president Bill Clinton who openly support him, have perpetrated the greatest swindle in history by falsely and fraudulently misrepresenting Obama as Constitutionally eligible to be president, concealing the truth about his place of birth, thereby inducing millions of Democrats by the fraud of concealment, by the lie of non-disclosure, by “trick and device,” to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in the Barack Obama presidential campaign to elect an UnConstitutional President.
My opinion.
Note, this is a fraud perpetrated by Sen. Barack Obama, the DNC, and hundreds of Democrats in Congress, on their own constituency, the Democrat voters of America. It is a fraud of the Democrats, by the Democrats, and perpetrated on the Democrats. And it has defrauded Democrats out of more than $600 million.
According to their oaths of office, every Democrat member of Congress has an affirmative duty to assure that their presidential candidate is constitutionally qualified. As soon as questions about Obama’s birth arose, every Democrat in Congress had a mandatory duty to confirm his eligibility by demanding release of his birth records. But, they have not. Not to my knowledge. Instead, every Democrat in Congress is complicit in the cover up – the cover up – of Obama’s birth certificate, by failing to demand full disclosure to confirm his place of birth.
In my opinion, unless Obama can produce a good birth certificate proving that he is a “natural born citizen,” then every Democrat member of Congress, every person managing Obama’s campaign, every officer and director of the Democrat National Commitee, and every person who has ever taken an oath to “support and defend” the Constitution and is now supporting an UnConstitutional candidate for president, has participated in a vast left-wing conspiracy to defraud millions of Democrats out of hundreds of millions of dollars to elect an UnConstitutional President.
In my opinion, every one of these people, hundreds of them, should be prosecuted for fraud under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), for if Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” that is what the Democrat National Committee (DNC) has become. And every one of them should be tried, convicted, and sent to prison for decades, for this is a $600 billion swindle of America’s Democrats, a swindle perpetrated by the DNC and Barack Obama.
Now, I could be wrong. I could be wrong about every opinion I have expressed here.
Sen. Barack Hussein Obama can prove me wrong, quickly, simply, easily, by opening the doors of the hospitals and the Hawaiian Department of Health and showing us, showing America, showing the Democrats, all of his birth records.
Unless and until he does, I will remain convinced that Barack Hussein Obama is not an American citizen.
FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Raymond S. Kraft is an attorney and writer in Northern California. He can be contacted at rskraft@vfr.net.